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It is hard for Millwall fans not to cringe at West Ham counterparts

Gawd I 'ope there isn't a pwopah tear up on Saturday Gawd I 'ope there isn't a pwopah tear up on Saturday

NEWS Shopper online's Millwall columnist MATT LITTLE this week takes a tongue-in-cheek look at the rivalry between the Lions and West Ham ahead of this weekend's derby trip to Upton Park

WELL, that was a pretty tame surrender to Watford last night and is really not acceptable at The Den, a place which has been our fortress in other difficult times.

Luckily for the players we face the auld enemy West Ham United on Saturday, a game that provides the perfect opportunity for redemption.

I often think of this fixture as the good, the bad and the ugly derby.

While tabloid journalists have demanding editors and blank pages to fill with the ugly side, the good invariably gets overlooked.

Which is a shame, as this fixture deserves a bit more dignity than that.

It is one of the oldest derby fixtures in the country, starting in 1897 when Millwall Athletic beat Thames Ironworks 2-0, and was born out of a genuine rivalry between two sets of workers in the beating heart of the British Empire – the London docks.

However, it didn’t intensify because of the supposed breaking of the General Strike in 1926 by Millwall supporting dockers, which is almost certainly an urban myth.

Instead it had its own organic momentum based on sporting rivalry between two close-knit communities.

The clubs competed against each other in various local leagues eagerly and sometimes bitterly if match reports from the time are to be believed.

And it should be remembered Millwall were the opponents who graced the first ever fixture at West Ham United’s Boleyn Ground in September 1904.

This is the 99th meeting between the two and Millwall have the advantage with 38 wins, with the 1960s still the only decade the clubs haven’t met since that first ever meeting.

Yet, what of the bad side?

I am referring to the hideous parody West Ham have become of themselves.

The scriptwriters of Eastenders and the cockney mafia in the tabloid press and their mantra of ‘it’s us wot won the World Cup’ should take a fair amount of the blame for this.

I don’t know about you but it’s hard not to cringe when some mockney plasterer from Essex starts waxing lyrical about East End boys, pwopa geezers and how the ’Ammers won it in 1966.

Yep, I said Hammers, or the 'Appy 'Ammers as they like to be known.

We expect that kind of post Euro96 nonsense from the likes of Palace and Arsenal, but not them lot.

But then again they do attract a strange and eclectic fan base these days.

Mixed in with the plasterers from Basildon and the fake tanned posers from Billericay are the middle-class kids from the home counties.

Funny enough, though, every single one of them takes fashion tips from Alfie Moon and whether they are in the supermarket, in the pub or at a christening, they are bedecked in West Ham merchandise from head to toe.

They must think it evokes an image as a salt of the earth, sugar borrowing, mum-loving cockney, rather than of a badly dressed chav from Essex.

Still, at least they are passionate about their team, so passionate that they have poured all of their efforts into having just one song and once took 10,000 fans to Wigan – according to one Hammer talking to Sky Sports, and clearly missing from his village.

They are a big club, though, and the four relegations to this level in under 25 years in no way distracts from this fact, nor does last night’s 5-1 walloping at Ipswich.

And most big clubs sell their promising youth products to divisional rivals at the first opportunity, that’s just sensible planning.

West Ham are also a club which attracts headlines, be it for cheating their way out of relegation or trying to bully Leyton Orient out of existence, they are box office.

Hopefully all of the headlines on Saturday will be about a coupon busting win for the Lions, though.

God knows we need it.

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Comments(18)

gea04cb says...
2:30pm Wed 1 Feb 12

Bore off. What a pathetic excuse for a 'columnist' you really are.

Bitter much?

Tevez32 says...
2:38pm Wed 1 Feb 12

Excellent piece of biased, stereotypical propaganda there I must admit.

Few points, firstly the quote - "And most big clubs sell their promising youth products to divisional rivals at the first opportunity, that’s just sensible planning" - I can only assume this relates to the sales of Junior Stanislas and Zavon Hines to Burnley. I can tell you we have really missed the 29 appearances and ZERO goals they have contributed this season to Burnley's cause, and at time of writing i'm sure our physio is desperately upset that Stanislas is sat in Burnley's treatment room rather than ours! Don't get me wrong, Stanislas has talent, he proved that a matter of years ago when he scored a brace against a two bob outfit, Mill.....well, will, wool, something along those lines.

Four relegations to this level in under 25 years - how many promotions in those 25 years did it take for you to get to this level?? Plus being absentees from the Premier League for only 4 seasons out of 20 is barely embarrasing for such a BIG club.

"pwopa geezers and how the ’Ammers won it in 1966" - well, well, well. I can admit, I often boast the fact that Peters, Moore and Hurst were Hammers when England one the World Cup, and I've heard the response - "If Greaves wasn't injured Hurst wouldn't have played!" or " What about Banks, Ball and Stiles, they were all outstanding!!" - and yes they were, West Ham are proud of the fact that we had the two scorers and the captain against Germany, but also appreciate a team isn't just made up of three players. Funny that really, considering everyone is quite content to say that West Ham were a ONE MAN team when Tevezgate is concerned. Your happy to credit us with that one. You forget about Zamora's two winners in 1-0 wins against Everton (h) and Arsenal (a) and indeed Rob Green's heroics in the later. I also believe Tevez contributed just 1 goal in the 3-1 home win against Bolton, yeah you're right, without him we would have only won that one 2-1. And please, pray tell me, how fortunate we were when he registered all of 0 goals in his first 13 appearances!!! What a bunch of pwopa East End cheats!!!

I await the list of ridculous comebacks to this post.......

diamanti99 says...
3:46pm Wed 1 Feb 12

matt little your a joke

hurlock4 says...
3:59pm Wed 1 Feb 12

Tevez32
whilst i do not totally agree nor disagree with your comments, i would like to say that.
I think the the selling of young prospects from your club was not aimed solely at this year but at a number of years going back. Including the likes of Cole, Carrick, Ferdinand, Lampard and so on i could put a list up that goes back a lot further but i think you get my point, what the column points out is that big clubs dont sell young talent especially to divisional rivals and especially when the players have already made an impact into the first team and become regulars.
Regarding our status within the division and the promotions and relegations we have gone through to be in this division, well we know who we are and where we belong, personally i think we are a top 6 league 1 to bottom half championship side and i am under no illusions to this, where as a great number of your fans seem to refer to your club as "big", a tag i fail to find any legitimate arguments for.
I grew up with a lot of your fellow fans as i grew up in East Ham and most of them i have a healthy banter with but most i feel sorry for, as one argument i put to them regarding the "big" status is for so many years whether you were in the first or second tier of english football you still got your regular 20k to 30k through the turnstiles, where has the money gone why were the players sold where was the re-investment, most of them points do get a weak response but most west ham fans i know agree, if that was our club we would not stand for it and sit back and be taken for morons and neither would it be stood for at a "big" club.....

McArthur Crown says...
4:13pm Wed 1 Feb 12

While 10,000 for the relegation game last season was probably wishful thinking we would have taken more if allowed - but couldn't as Wigan have changed the stand away fans are allowed in.

When given the side stand for our play-off final season in 2003/04 we took 7,400 there - for a dead rubber of a league game on a Sunday which would see WH in the play-offs if we could simply avoid a defeat by three clear goals. We drew the game.

If I remember rightly, 'Wall failed to sell their full away allocation for a play-off semi-final game at Wigan a good few years before - and the allocation wasn't anything like 7,000 - more like 3,000.

Best of luck for Saturday.

hurlock4 says...
5:03pm Wed 1 Feb 12

dont know where you get your info from but, the play off game millwall were allocated the same side stand you had and we sold all tickets and on a midweek night game dont know the exact figure but it was all sold. wigans away end always has been and still is behind the goal thats never changed they just allocate the side stand if the away side demand more tickets and the demand for home tickets is not so high.

McArthur Crown says...
5:44pm Wed 1 Feb 12

hurlock4 wrote:
dont know where you get your info from but, the play off game millwall were allocated the same side stand you had and we sold all tickets and on a midweek night game dont know the exact figure but it was all sold. wigans away end always has been and still is behind the goal thats never changed they just allocate the side stand if the away side demand more tickets and the demand for home tickets is not so high.
Fair enough, just a shame you can pull two or three thousand or more - when allowed - for a cup game or against someone like us for a league game, and then only take two or three hundred elsewhere oop north, for instance.

Gotta say you do tolerate above average numbers of sightseers away from home for certain games - WH largely wouldn't want it.

hurlock4 says...
6:50pm Wed 1 Feb 12

that always has and always will be the millwall support, 8,500 midweek home game followed by 47,000 at wembley our support will never change but im happy with that, home games no tourist's with camera's on day trips only the real fans who go week in week out, its a shame because the support is there but as i say never change ive grown to live with it, biggest small club in the world everybody knows us....

moody1885 says...
7:25pm Wed 1 Feb 12

Hello, I'm Matt Little.

I think this blog shows that I actually don't mind West Ham - you only have to read my previous blogs on Crystal Palace to see that!

Millwall get lampooned all the time - don't see many us crying into our pints over it or going to the effort of registering to an online news paper to write an epic response to what some nasty fan has written about us!

Sorry boys - this is a Millwall BLOG, written by a Millwall FAN...it may poke fun at our rivals from time to time.

However, I did think you could laugh at yourselves a bit more than this...quoting attendance figures etc is all very Charlton!!

Carry on.

McArthur Crown says...
7:43pm Wed 1 Feb 12

I didn't register for anything actually as I logged on via Google, and you also use the same newspaper comments system as a thousand other local rags, which means you don't usually need a different log-in.

There doesn't seem that much comment on this "blog", so you need us to liven it up a bit.

By the way you'll probably find more WH who actually go to games this side of the river than 'Wall anyway, so it shouldn't be any great surprise we're here.

When I was at school in New Cross in the seventies there was more Liverpool and Arsenal fans than anyone else.

Now there's probably more Chelski and Manure.

Carry on

moody1885 says...
8:22pm Wed 1 Feb 12

Ouch.

GODUPERE2 says...
6:10am Thu 2 Feb 12

MUG!

bmonkhouse says...
12:14pm Thu 2 Feb 12

Quite funny that the newsshopper give coverage to some mug who posts on some 2 bob hof millwall forum but hey....

Millwall have their own 'chalton - esque' quotes too, all the worlds biggest small club nonsense is just that, nonsense. I dont know who else quotes it, but I havent heard any one else say it apart from millwall fans...

You can have a bit of a laugh at our danny dyers, and we wone the world cup and all that, but believe me, the 100's of 12-18 year olds who jump up and down, give gestures and stand in your east upper and give it the biggun all game, are Im afraid to say, not that scary.

If thats what millwall is now, then I pity you. I would stop worrying what we do, and have a look at your own.
As I predict you will drop down the leagues again come may.
Lets start ordering a plane...

Enjoy the game on saturday, and may the best team win.

Terry_Hurock says...
1:17pm Thu 2 Feb 12

diamanti99 wrote:
matt little your a joke
It's "you're".

Very good article and looking at the Chavs comments, so very true too....

BigG says...
10:38pm Thu 2 Feb 12

Millwall 3 Handbag Hammers 1

BigG says...
10:44pm Thu 2 Feb 12

Terry_Hurock wrote:
diamanti99 wrote: matt little your a joke
It's "you're". Very good article and looking at the Chavs comments, so very true too....
Is that Terry Hurock or Hurlock, Terry Hurlock, those were the days. Legend!

PaulErith says...
12:05pm Fri 3 Feb 12

Nice to see West Ham and Millwall fans bickering. Just like them! Poor excuse for fans.
Come on the Charlton!

GODUPERE2 says...
3:08am Sun 5 Feb 12

Ten man Hammers 2
Millwall Lionesses 1
Nuff said

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