Crowd trouble at Millwall v Charlton came as a big shock

Police move in to the away end at the final whistle. PICTURE BY ALAN STANFORD.

Police move in to the away end at the final whistle. PICTURE BY ALAN STANFORD.

First published in Sport

MILLWALL columnist MATT LITTLE was very surprised by the crowd disorder which marred the end of Saturday’s Den derby with neighbours Charlton.

IN 1995 the then managing director of Birmingham City Karren Brady gave journalists a sound-bite they could have only dreamed of.

Brady, young and inexperienced, was put on the spot by the assembled hacks, old and grizzled.

They were demanding to know why followers of Birmingham City had thrown objects at away fans, invaded the pitch several times, assaulted Millwall players, and stabbed a Police horse in this top of the table clash.

Miss Brady, clearly shaken, blurted out it was because “Millwall bring out the worst in people”.

Sadly for her, damning evidence meant this off-the-cuff piece of deflection didn’t work, with the media agreeing the Lions were, on balance, the victims for once.

But hey, it was worth a try.

As a result I had always just viewed that amusing sound-bite as just that - an amusing sound-bite from a club, also with a somewhat tarnished reputation, trying to wiggle off the hook at our expense.

However, after witnessing the usually sedate followers of Charlton Athletic throwing flares and plastic blue seats onto the hallowed Den pitch I’m starting to think dear old Karren may have been on to something.

I know we are in no position to be racing up any hills to take the moral high ground or to give out lectures about supporter etiquette, but I will say I was a bit disappointed by the scenes at the end of the match, given the backdrop.

Before Saturday I hadn’t attended a Millwall v Charlton game at The Den since 1994, when Alex Rae completed his brace in injury time to nick a 2-1 win for the Lions.

It was played out in front of a modest 13,320 crowd, with the several hundred Charlton fans taking their defeat on the chin and quietly heading off home without much fanfare.

Not many fans at a local derby would have taken such a sickening defeat so well, but that’s Charlton, or it was.

Perhaps the spirit of that period when Millwall and Charlton fans used to alternate between The Den and The Valley before football tribalism became so profound was still fresh in the minds of most of those in attendance?

My own granddad was one of those Millwall fans who used to tag along with his Charlton supporting friend to a few games at The Valley, with his mate returning the favour by accompanying him to The Den every now and then.

A lot of Millwall and Charlton fans are connected by family or friendship and it was in this spirit both clubs decided to use this particular fixture to hold another tribute to the Mizen and Knox families, both followers of the respective clubs.

Leaflets were handed out before the game by the Jimmy Mizen Foundation proclaiming the match as ‘Jimmy’s Day’.

Inside it spoke of family values and the aims of the foundation, with the overriding message being we need to work towards making south London, the community both clubs play in, a safer and better place for young people to live.

The players and managers of both clubs played their part too, with signed Millwall tops donated to the Jimmy Mizen Foundation, and the Charlton players donating theirs to the charity set-up in the name of Addicks fan Rob Knox.

I am all too aware I am on shaky ground here, but I was genuinely miffed as to why a section of Charlton fans decided to hijack the day with petty violence and try to turn this fixture into something more than the keenly contested local derby it has always been. Okay, okay, I am not so naïve not to recognise a lot of Charlton fans do not particularly like us, but I thought it had always been in a bickering sibling kind of way.

Charlton fans often try to taunt us by saying ‘I thought that you lot didn’t care about us’ when highlighting the fact we have sold-out their last two visits.

However, not only does this neglect the fact we have simply grown as a club in the last 10 years or so and have had plenty of home area sell-outs in that time, but it totally misconstrues the nature of the rivalry from a Millwall point of view.

Maybe this is our own fault?

We’ve become so entwined with the legend of Millwall hooliganism that by dismissing them as anoraks or train spotters, Charlton fans think that we trying to imply a certain indifference towards them, which is simply not true.

This is a big game for us, but as a genuine local rivalry, not as a bitter grudge match.

Turning the argument around, Charlton have brought over 3,500 fans on their last two visits.

Now, even the most ardent Addick will admit they don’t take this kind of support anywhere else, not even close.

As a percentage of home support Charlton’s away following is one of the lowest in the entire Football League.

Therefore this is obviously a massive match for them, so perhaps we should just put all that silliness down to over-excitement among some of their fans trying to prove a misguided point on their big day out.

I hope so because this is the only genuinely big match that we have left without any restrictions, hence why we can achieve 18,000 gates, whereas other home sell-outs have seen the bottom tier of the away end left empty and restricted us to 16,500 odd.

This is also a fixture which both clubs felt that they could come together to show support for two south London families touched by tragedy.

Let’s not ruin that kind of relationship.

Loathe us by all means Charlton fans, but don’t turn this derby into something ugly.

As for the actual match, well, despite being under-siege for the entire second half the Addicks manfully stood up to the onslaught to earn a rare point in this fixture.

We sorely missed Liam Trotter, James Henry and Darius Henderson, but to be fair Charlton defended brilliantly and would have been hard to beat even with those three back.

The draw extended our unbeaten run to 13 games and contrary to what Ms Brady thinks we brought out the best in Charlton Athletic, on the pitch at least.

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12:31pm Wed 5 Dec 12

hawk12 says...

Ahh, a strange article, cleary seen through rose tinted glasses.
While I dont condone the violence at the end, the millwall fans closest to the charlton fans seemed to spend most of their time watching the fans rather than the game, giving hand signals and the usual verbal.
At then end of the match when things clearly escalated i saw plenty of objects being launched the other way too.
not to mention having bottles and glasses thrown aters club coaches at the end.
It takes two sets of fans for those scenes to take place.
Ahh, a strange article, cleary seen through rose tinted glasses. While I dont condone the violence at the end, the millwall fans closest to the charlton fans seemed to spend most of their time watching the fans rather than the game, giving hand signals and the usual verbal. At then end of the match when things clearly escalated i saw plenty of objects being launched the other way too. not to mention having bottles and glasses thrown aters club coaches at the end. It takes two sets of fans for those scenes to take place. hawk12
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4:50pm Wed 5 Dec 12

jasonp says...

This has got to be one of the worse articles I have ever read. Was it written by a 8 year old on work experience ?
A Millwall columnist who hasn't been to a Millwall / Charlton game since 1994 ??? ...just one of many that only turn up for the big games ( opps ! sory its not a big game for Millwall )
I'm saddened that the NS has to run such a poorly written article.
MATT LITTLE .......go back to school
This has got to be one of the worse articles I have ever read. Was it written by a 8 year old on work experience ? A Millwall columnist who hasn't been to a Millwall / Charlton game since 1994 ??? ...just one of many that only turn up for the big games ( opps ! sory its not a big game for Millwall ) I'm saddened that the NS has to run such a poorly written article. MATT LITTLE .......go back to school jasonp
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5:43pm Wed 5 Dec 12

The Fozziest of Bears says...

Come now, this is very lazy journalism.

There was A flare thrown and A seat - not plural.

No mention of the coins thrown at Charlton players as they tried to take a throw-in, or the Millwall fan retaining the ball to try and goad him into coming closer to the crowd.

No mention of the Millwall fans breaking into the neutral zone at the end of the match ?

Charlton don't take 3500 fans away anywhere ? - what about Fulham in January 2012 (7000).

We take just under 3000 to Palace because that's all the tickets they will give us.

"As a percentage of home support Charlton’s away following is one of the lowest in the entire Football League."

This statement is absolute garbage and is totally under-researched.


And what's more, i'm not even sure that this picture is of Charlton fans either !

Poor article. I'm sure there are plenty of unbiased freelance student journos who could do a better job each week than this guy.
Come now, this is very lazy journalism. There was A flare thrown and A seat - not plural. No mention of the coins thrown at Charlton players as they tried to take a throw-in, or the Millwall fan retaining the ball to try and goad him into coming closer to the crowd. No mention of the Millwall fans breaking into the neutral zone at the end of the match ? Charlton don't take 3500 fans away anywhere ? - what about Fulham in January 2012 (7000). We take just under 3000 to Palace because that's all the tickets they will give us. "As a percentage of home support Charlton’s away following is one of the lowest in the entire Football League." This statement is absolute garbage and is totally under-researched. And what's more, i'm not even sure that this picture is of Charlton fans either ! Poor article. I'm sure there are plenty of unbiased freelance student journos who could do a better job each week than this guy. The Fozziest of Bears
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5:46pm Wed 5 Dec 12

LittleByLittle says...

Sorry Jason, I was at a slightly more important event for the 4-0 game - a wedding.

And back in the 90s Charlton wasn't considered a big enough game for my family to take me too, it seems...so I missed your very rare win at The Den. So, sort of goes against your jibe somewhat!?

I've been to every Millwall v West ham / Palace game since 1987 tho!

Besides, I'd try reading it again - but with the comprehension skills above that of an 8 year old (funny enough I used to be a teacher).
Sorry Jason, I was at a slightly more important event for the 4-0 game - a wedding. And back in the 90s Charlton wasn't considered a big enough game for my family to take me too, it seems...so I missed your very rare win at The Den. So, sort of goes against your jibe somewhat!? I've been to every Millwall v West ham / Palace game since 1987 tho! Besides, I'd try reading it again - but with the comprehension skills above that of an 8 year old (funny enough I used to be a teacher). LittleByLittle
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5:48pm Wed 5 Dec 12

LittleByLittle says...

Mr Bear - I ALWAYS do my research...

http://www.football-
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Mr Bear - I ALWAYS do my research... http://www.football- league.co.uk/staticF iles/1f/b7/0,,10794~ 177951,00.pdf LittleByLittle
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5:50pm Wed 5 Dec 12

LittleByLittle says...

Also - the bloke in the Charlton bobble hat in the picture hopefully convinces you that they are in fact Charlton fans.

Unless you think the editor is a liar too?
Also - the bloke in the Charlton bobble hat in the picture hopefully convinces you that they are in fact Charlton fans. Unless you think the editor is a liar too? LittleByLittle
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5:52pm Wed 5 Dec 12

LittleByLittle says...

Are you lot seriously going to get upset about a Millwall blog being biased towards Millwall?

What's that we call you again?
Are you lot seriously going to get upset about a Millwall blog being biased towards Millwall? What's that we call you again? LittleByLittle
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6:13pm Wed 5 Dec 12

KingsOfTheSouth says...

"We sorely missed Liam Trotter, James Henry and Darius Henderson, but to be fair Charlton defended brilliantly and would have been hard to beat even with those three back."


We sorely missed Rhoys Wiggins, Michael Morrison, Emmanuel Frimpong, Danny Haynes and Ricardo Fuller. Not to mention a fully fit Yann Kermorgant.
"We sorely missed Liam Trotter, James Henry and Darius Henderson, but to be fair Charlton defended brilliantly and would have been hard to beat even with those three back." We sorely missed Rhoys Wiggins, Michael Morrison, Emmanuel Frimpong, Danny Haynes and Ricardo Fuller. Not to mention a fully fit Yann Kermorgant. KingsOfTheSouth
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6:44pm Wed 5 Dec 12

cookster says...

Week in week out Charlton fans are a good bunch

But I happened to be at the Fulham v Charlton game last year (watching as a neutral in a Fulham stand) and the behaviour in the Charlton end was not what I expected from the club, with fans fighting among themselves.

It was pretty obvious that big games and large turnouts bring along the undesirables who don't bother with Burnley at home on a Tuesday night, but will tag along to these types of game for the occasional spot of troublemaking.
Week in week out Charlton fans are a good bunch But I happened to be at the Fulham v Charlton game last year (watching as a neutral in a Fulham stand) and the behaviour in the Charlton end was not what I expected from the club, with fans fighting among themselves. It was pretty obvious that big games and large turnouts bring along the undesirables who don't bother with Burnley at home on a Tuesday night, but will tag along to these types of game for the occasional spot of troublemaking. cookster
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6:44pm Wed 5 Dec 12

hawk12 says...

Whether this was a charlton or a millwall blog, it's irrelevant!
Both sets of fans were at it.
I think what's being asked for is a more sensibly and evenly balanced article!!
What you've written makes it sound like millwall were attacked, unprovoked!
Simply not the case!
As for away support, I'd be interested to see your away stats in the last 5 years.
Average home attendances for charlton home attendances certainly in the last 3 seasons have been higher than millwall and palace!
Can't see the away stats being any different.
If you were a teacher, back in the day, then I'm sure you'd grade this work as a "D" and a comment of must try harder!! ;))
Whether this was a charlton or a millwall blog, it's irrelevant! Both sets of fans were at it. I think what's being asked for is a more sensibly and evenly balanced article!! What you've written makes it sound like millwall were attacked, unprovoked! Simply not the case! As for away support, I'd be interested to see your away stats in the last 5 years. Average home attendances for charlton home attendances certainly in the last 3 seasons have been higher than millwall and palace! Can't see the away stats being any different. If you were a teacher, back in the day, then I'm sure you'd grade this work as a "D" and a comment of must try harder!! ;)) hawk12
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8:00pm Wed 5 Dec 12

GazzaLDN says...

The Fozziest of Bears wrote:
Come now, this is very lazy journalism.

There was A flare thrown and A seat - not plural.

No mention of the coins thrown at Charlton players as they tried to take a throw-in, or the Millwall fan retaining the ball to try and goad him into coming closer to the crowd.

No mention of the Millwall fans breaking into the neutral zone at the end of the match ?

Charlton don't take 3500 fans away anywhere ? - what about Fulham in January 2012 (7000).

We take just under 3000 to Palace because that's all the tickets they will give us.

"As a percentage of home support Charlton’s away following is one of the lowest in the entire Football League."

This statement is absolute garbage and is totally under-researched.


And what's more, i'm not even sure that this picture is of Charlton fans either !

Poor article. I'm sure there are plenty of unbiased freelance student journos who could do a better job each week than this guy.
The Fozziest of Bears wrote:"As a percentage of home support Charlton’s away following is one of the lowest in the entire Football League."

This statement is absolute garbage and is totally under-researched.

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The latest figures shows you are 19th out of 24, after your cup final.

1) Leeds Utd Av Att 21,219 Av Away 2,897 (13.65%)
2) Sheff Wed Av Att 23,995 Av Away 2,588 (10.79%)
3) Blackburn Av Att 14,451 Av Away 1,484 (10.27%)
4) Huddersfield Av Att 15,341 Av Away 1,545 (10.07%)
5) Nottm Forest Av Att 22,137 Av Away 1,998 (9.03%)
6) Peterborough Av Att 7,790 Av Away 698 (8.96%)
7) Leicester Av Att 21,997 Av Away 1,897 (8.62%)
8) Bolton Av Att 17,797 Av Away 1,479 (8.31%)
9) Crystal Palace Av Att 16,264 Av Away 1,344 (8.26%)
10) Wolves Av Att 21,446 Av Away 1,706 (7.95%)
11) Hull City Av Att 15,684 Av Away 1,226 (7.82%)
12) Millwall Av Att 11,403 Av Away 854 (7.49%)
13) Middlesbrough Av Att 17,626 Av Away 1,294 (7.34%)
14) Blackpool Av Att 13,767 Av Away 998 (7.25%)
15) Birmingham Av Att 16,356 Av Away 1,180 (7.21%)
16) Derby Av Att 21,997 Av Away 1,460 (6.64%)
17) Burnley Av Att 13,655 Av Away 881 (6.45%)
18) Watford Av Att 12,435 Av Away 801 (6.44%)
19) Charlton Av Att 18,442 Av Away 1,123 (6.09%)
20) Brighton Av Att 25,098 Av Away 1,414 (5.63%)
21) Barnsley Av Att 9,866 Av Away 536 (5.43%)
22) Cardiff Av Att 21,342 Av Away 1,113 (5.22%)
23) Bristol City Av Att 13,205 Av Away 679 (5.14%)
24) Ipswich Av Att 16,760 Av Away 801 (4.78%)
[quote][p][bold]The Fozziest of Bears[/bold] wrote: Come now, this is very lazy journalism. There was A flare thrown and A seat - not plural. No mention of the coins thrown at Charlton players as they tried to take a throw-in, or the Millwall fan retaining the ball to try and goad him into coming closer to the crowd. No mention of the Millwall fans breaking into the neutral zone at the end of the match ? Charlton don't take 3500 fans away anywhere ? - what about Fulham in January 2012 (7000). We take just under 3000 to Palace because that's all the tickets they will give us. "As a percentage of home support Charlton’s away following is one of the lowest in the entire Football League." This statement is absolute garbage and is totally under-researched. And what's more, i'm not even sure that this picture is of Charlton fans either ! Poor article. I'm sure there are plenty of unbiased freelance student journos who could do a better job each week than this guy.[/p][/quote]The Fozziest of Bears wrote:"As a percentage of home support Charlton’s away following is one of the lowest in the entire Football League." This statement is absolute garbage and is totally under-researched. ---- The latest figures shows you are 19th out of 24, after your cup final. 1) Leeds Utd Av Att 21,219 Av Away 2,897 (13.65%) 2) Sheff Wed Av Att 23,995 Av Away 2,588 (10.79%) 3) Blackburn Av Att 14,451 Av Away 1,484 (10.27%) 4) Huddersfield Av Att 15,341 Av Away 1,545 (10.07%) 5) Nottm Forest Av Att 22,137 Av Away 1,998 (9.03%) 6) Peterborough Av Att 7,790 Av Away 698 (8.96%) 7) Leicester Av Att 21,997 Av Away 1,897 (8.62%) 8) Bolton Av Att 17,797 Av Away 1,479 (8.31%) 9) Crystal Palace Av Att 16,264 Av Away 1,344 (8.26%) 10) Wolves Av Att 21,446 Av Away 1,706 (7.95%) 11) Hull City Av Att 15,684 Av Away 1,226 (7.82%) 12) Millwall Av Att 11,403 Av Away 854 (7.49%) 13) Middlesbrough Av Att 17,626 Av Away 1,294 (7.34%) 14) Blackpool Av Att 13,767 Av Away 998 (7.25%) 15) Birmingham Av Att 16,356 Av Away 1,180 (7.21%) 16) Derby Av Att 21,997 Av Away 1,460 (6.64%) 17) Burnley Av Att 13,655 Av Away 881 (6.45%) 18) Watford Av Att 12,435 Av Away 801 (6.44%) 19) Charlton Av Att 18,442 Av Away 1,123 (6.09%) 20) Brighton Av Att 25,098 Av Away 1,414 (5.63%) 21) Barnsley Av Att 9,866 Av Away 536 (5.43%) 22) Cardiff Av Att 21,342 Av Away 1,113 (5.22%) 23) Bristol City Av Att 13,205 Av Away 679 (5.14%) 24) Ipswich Av Att 16,760 Av Away 801 (4.78%) GazzaLDN
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11:30pm Wed 5 Dec 12

SE7 Sean says...

Thanks for the latest stats. So, on average Charlton get 7,000 more fans at home and take c. 300 more fans away than Millwall. Millwall have the 22nd best home support and 22nd best home support and 18th best away support in the football league. Well done.

I used to go to Charlton one week and Millwall the next with my cousin when I was younger and I have been to loads of Millwall v Charlton games over the years. This may not be grudge match for Millwall but it is has always been more than a local rivalry. Millwall don't do local rivalry so the pleading for Charlton fans not too turn this match into something ugly is a bit lame. There is always trouble of some sort at these games and it has historically been started by Millwall. It's that reputation for aggro that attracts a sizeable minority of your fans. Don't tell me it doesn't. Millwall are also the masters of deflection whenever there is trouble. The above article smells of it.

I was in the Barry Kitchener stand with some friends who support Millwall. I heard the type of abuse dished out to Danny Haynes and Chris Powell by more than a few Millwall fans. Terrible, but expected.

To be honest, no surprises at all that there was trouble. Just sad.
Thanks for the latest stats. So, on average Charlton get 7,000 more fans at home and take c. 300 more fans away than Millwall. Millwall have the 22nd best home support and 22nd best home support and 18th best away support in the football league. Well done. I used to go to Charlton one week and Millwall the next with my cousin when I was younger and I have been to loads of Millwall v Charlton games over the years. This may not be grudge match for Millwall but it is has always been more than a local rivalry. Millwall don't do local rivalry so the pleading for Charlton fans not too turn this match into something ugly is a bit lame. There is always trouble of some sort at these games and it has historically been started by Millwall. It's that reputation for aggro that attracts a sizeable minority of your fans. Don't tell me it doesn't. Millwall are also the masters of deflection whenever there is trouble. The above article smells of it. I was in the Barry Kitchener stand with some friends who support Millwall. I heard the type of abuse dished out to Danny Haynes and Chris Powell by more than a few Millwall fans. Terrible, but expected. To be honest, no surprises at all that there was trouble. Just sad. SE7 Sean
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6:25am Thu 6 Dec 12

Marty1979 says...

And one of the chants "your leaving in a body bag"

Nice & friendly
And one of the chants "your leaving in a body bag" Nice & friendly Marty1979
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12:41pm Thu 6 Dec 12

PCNS says...

The abuse dished out to the subs is par for the course at Millwall. It may be misguided but it is the 12th man in the stands element. Vicious perhaps but just a harsh form of sledging.

I have a huge soft spot for Charlton through family and friends and was disappointed that they reacted the way they did at the end. Apart from anything else it put the innocent in danger from the lunatic element in our own crowd. The smoke bomb just missing the ball boy was a catalyst and I am just glad that a large proportion of the Millwall had already left or things may have become a lot worse. Flares and seats (it was more than one and the you tube video shows another that did not make the pitch but apparently lands amongst his own support) is not what we expect from Charlton.

If we are still both in the same league next year then I am sure this fixture will be restricted like the rest of our games which will be a shame. I also wonder about the return leg at the Valley.

It is interesting that in spite of all the evidence to the contrary it is still ALL our fault. But we are used to that. Our club will investigate and ban those who misbehave under the banner of Millwall – they have done for many, many years and will continue to do so. Millwall sort their problems out and have never been in denial about what we are and the issues we have. Time for others to stop taking the moral high ground (even in the face of cast iron evidence) and look to getting their own house in order.

Is was a great day – great atmosphere (until the end). In short a well fought local derby and a result that Charlton will be happier with than Millwall.
The abuse dished out to the subs is par for the course at Millwall. It may be misguided but it is the 12th man in the stands element. Vicious perhaps but just a harsh form of sledging. I have a huge soft spot for Charlton through family and friends and was disappointed that they reacted the way they did at the end. Apart from anything else it put the innocent in danger from the lunatic element in our own crowd. The smoke bomb just missing the ball boy was a catalyst and I am just glad that a large proportion of the Millwall had already left or things may have become a lot worse. Flares and seats (it was more than one and the you tube video shows another that did not make the pitch but apparently lands amongst his own support) is not what we expect from Charlton. If we are still both in the same league next year then I am sure this fixture will be restricted like the rest of our games which will be a shame. I also wonder about the return leg at the Valley. It is interesting that in spite of all the evidence to the contrary it is still ALL our fault. But we are used to that. Our club will investigate and ban those who misbehave under the banner of Millwall – they have done for many, many years and will continue to do so. Millwall sort their problems out and have never been in denial about what we are and the issues we have. Time for others to stop taking the moral high ground (even in the face of cast iron evidence) and look to getting their own house in order. Is was a great day – great atmosphere (until the end). In short a well fought local derby and a result that Charlton will be happier with than Millwall. PCNS
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1:46pm Thu 6 Dec 12

SE7 Sean says...

Agree, it was a great day and the atmosphere was on the whole cracking. The end was sour and it was started by Charlton (thankfully the kid did not get hit by the smokebomb) and it was a catalyst. It's not we expect from Charlton fans either

Likewise, I have a soft spot for Millwall via close family connections. Pains me to say it but there is an element of authenticity at Millwall that many clubs, including ourselves, have lost (post-Premiership). Charlton is not the same club that I grew up with.

However, Millwall have never sorted out their problems. Not necessary the clubs fault, it's just that you attract too many idiots intent on trouble. It's part of your history, your DNA, the fans revel in it. It's just the way it is. It will never change.

Millwall and Charlton will ban those responsbile but it won't affect anything. We know already what's going to happen at The Valley becasue it always has done. Millwall will turn up in numbers and have a pop. They might not get into the Directors Box this time to smack the Chairman and thankfully they won't be able to run across the East Terrace and steam in to the North Stand hitting anyone in sight but they'll be fighting in the stands, the streets and pubs intimidating all in sight. Any trouble at the Valley will not be due to how some Charlton fans reacted on Saturday. It might be used as an excuse to exact 'revenge' and it may intensify it but it would have happened anyway

Anyway, I've said enough. Genuinely looking forward to the return game next year for the right reasons.
Agree, it was a great day and the atmosphere was on the whole cracking. The end was sour and it was started by Charlton (thankfully the kid did not get hit by the smokebomb) and it was a catalyst. It's not we expect from Charlton fans either Likewise, I have a soft spot for Millwall via close family connections. Pains me to say it but there is an element of authenticity at Millwall that many clubs, including ourselves, have lost (post-Premiership). Charlton is not the same club that I grew up with. However, Millwall have never sorted out their problems. Not necessary the clubs fault, it's just that you attract too many idiots intent on trouble. It's part of your history, your DNA, the fans revel in it. It's just the way it is. It will never change. Millwall and Charlton will ban those responsbile but it won't affect anything. We know already what's going to happen at The Valley becasue it always has done. Millwall will turn up in numbers and have a pop. They might not get into the Directors Box this time to smack the Chairman and thankfully they won't be able to run across the East Terrace and steam in to the North Stand hitting anyone in sight but they'll be fighting in the stands, the streets and pubs intimidating all in sight. Any trouble at the Valley will not be due to how some Charlton fans reacted on Saturday. It might be used as an excuse to exact 'revenge' and it may intensify it but it would have happened anyway Anyway, I've said enough. Genuinely looking forward to the return game next year for the right reasons. SE7 Sean
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9:16pm Thu 6 Dec 12

mouthalmighty says...

Why such a fuss over a load of old ball..ks.
Why such a fuss over a load of old ball..ks. mouthalmighty
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6:43am Fri 7 Dec 12

Marty1979 says...

Guess what - someone made a comment that shows the attitude of Millwall supporters, it's instantly removed
Guess what - someone made a comment that shows the attitude of Millwall supporters, it's instantly removed Marty1979
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10:34pm Sun 9 Dec 12

Beckenham Chris says...

Cold Blow - them were the days,Harry,Trotts,Da
ve & the Brick. Come and have a go if you think yer 'ard enough..... yeah thought so - Jog On little boys.....
Cold Blow - them were the days,Harry,Trotts,Da ve & the Brick. Come and have a go if you think yer 'ard enough..... yeah thought so - Jog On little boys..... Beckenham Chris
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1:31pm Mon 10 Dec 12

PaulErith says...

Being in the Charlton end myself, I was certainly disappointed by the behaviour of our fans. Not known for causing any trouble normally, but I witnessed some stuff being thrown including coins. Only a small minority, but don't need them. I'm sure that there was some bad behaviour from Millwall too, but I can only go on what I witnessed.
Being in the Charlton end myself, I was certainly disappointed by the behaviour of our fans. Not known for causing any trouble normally, but I witnessed some stuff being thrown including coins. Only a small minority, but don't need them. I'm sure that there was some bad behaviour from Millwall too, but I can only go on what I witnessed. PaulErith
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