I dont know where the police get the idea that knife crime starts at home. It starts on the streets!

If the punishment was harsh then these kids wouldn't think it so cool!

We need harder laws in this country to frighten people enough not to commit the crime. The law is not feared at all by these kids. Getting 'nicked' is seen as a clever thing to do because they all laugh about it.

People carry knives because they know they wont go to prison for long, even if they take someones life. So in their eyes they 'gain respect' and beat the system. Which is the perfect making for a gang leader, gang members follow their leader which means they will get to be like their leader if they to carry a knife this results in them doing so and probably stabbing someone to get respect. So get all the burgalars and freudstars out of prison and make some room so life actully means you will never walk the streets or be able to carry a knife again! Or bring back the death penalty, a life for a life.

Investment by this so called government would be a start.Get into schools now and start learning from the mistakes of the past 10 years,Grab the childrens imagination at a young age and educate them young about these horrific crimes and attitudes abound on our streets,protect the new growth and then look at dealing with the infested top parts. Give these kids something to do,start looking at dealing with the problems we already have here and stop importing more. These kids leave school with no prospects,jobs are thin on the ground,most have no ambition whatsoever,their lives revolve around a melee of cheap alcohol and standing on street corners. Violence from all walks of the media need to be looked at,You cannot frighten the youth by showing them gory pictures of stab victims,they have got more horrific photos than that stored as screensavers on their phones.Invest in local soccer teams,skate parks,pool halls,and from experience given time the tide will turn,make these kids realise that they do belong somewhere.Stop closing down every facility they have of gathering in through lack of funds.Parents need to come on board here,educate them also not by fines or telling them they are horrific monster breeding scum get them involved also,any child caught doing wrong should be made attend courses with BOTH parents.Could I ask the government why they give children in youth detention centres pocket money ? I have worked with youth crime for over 12 years now,does the government not realise that we see it all at a grass roots level,a 12 month sentence in a YDC and their alloted pocket money not spent for the duration is a new x box to these kids who just cannot afford such luxuries paid to them in cash when they are released!Get the kids who have been thrown out of school into units immediately not left for 12-18 months at home till they are unmanageable.And finally bring back some good old fashioned discipline into our schools,give teachers back the right to use discipline to control their classrooms,You have tried the way of the "do gooders " we are now reaping the merits of years of that approach.

One of these people was my dear frined Buster! It needs to Stop! RIP Babe!
I Created a video for him and on knife crime, Please have a look for yourselves www.youtube.com/watc
h?v=yns-YRrP8P0
Thankyou
x

www.youtube.com/watc
h?v=yns-YRrP8P0

Please Have a Look!

Thankyou

I don't see how this is so hard to do. We need to bring in tough new laws to protect the public from violent knife or gun crime. Anyone who is caught carrying a knife or gun in the street, at their workplace, at school, where ever should be sentenced to at least 10 - 15 years prison. No court hearing, no mucking about just straight in! Once people realise they'll serve a long sentence for carrying a weapon they'll soon stop. Someone earlier said a life for a life, I agree. Why should a killer get 15 years in prison at taxpayers cost to be released years down the line with the potential to murder, rob or steal again. Too much taxpayers money is spent housing murderers at millions and millions of pounds when they should be ended and forgotten. I'm fed up living in a society where thugs rule the streets and terrorise everyone else. Murder is on the up so we need to crack down before it gets even more out of hand than it already has!

Sadly we do have to start looking at the home life of these people, most problems do start at home when it comes to the youths either we are too trusting and take in every thing they say or not bothered to control these youths. I think that parents need to take a more active role in helping these kids that have gone off the rails direction in life, not leaving it down to other members of the public, they need to find something in life that is worth a challange. It can be done, parents moaning about the youths have no where to go are wrong their are many orginisation which these children can engage in if they took the time to look. But where do the schools come in this they are allowed to dismiss a child from education, but then pass the butt on again, if the child has the wrong support they will end up on the streets, so all schools should have to be looked at before a free hand is given to kick the kids out. Their has always been gangs of youths on our streets, but our goverment has allowed so many different cultures in intergrate without any true leadership on how to manage this. What i feel we need is maybe the army on our streets, we keep being told that our police force is so over worked what do we pay are army for but to go to other countrys which are out of control such as our own country. We are headed for such civil unrest in the country soon we will be needing something to control it, look at Belfast their seem to be less problems their than we have here. I think its about time the goverment wakes up and admit that it is out of control the first one that does gets my vote as they all seem to be pushing the blame around as far as i can see, without trying to address our needs of saftey.

PLEASE don't anyone say they need "understanding" and money spent on their entertainment...

...or worse, that its because they "don't have a father figure" in their lives.

They act the way they do because they are sub-human scumbags. No excuses.

It's simple: 1) youths should stay in education at least until they are 18 and have a job. We need proper vocational training for academically less talented people so that they can compete against educated and often well trained immigrants for jobs. 2) Secondly, and this is where the Government fails, there should be much more incentives for people to get an education and jobs. The government is making the matter worse and worse by incentivising people to stay out of the job market and to "breed for benefits". 3) Tougher policing and punishments, incl life for life. Enough has been said about this.

The only way to change the situation is a whole re education programme coupled with immediate imprisonment for carrying any offensive weapon, even if it is a first offence.
Metal detectors are not the answer as many plastic knives or items could kill,

The police (Not PCSO's )also need to regularly patrol areas where youths congregate,and to regularly visit pubs and clubs to ensure their licences are being complyed with.

The whole "youth problem" dates back to the early 1980's when funding for youth clubs was cut in order to save money.

Please go to the forum and leave some comments there, as Your Lord has.

Please use this unique opportunity to have your comments read by the Home Secretary.

Your Lord, Erastus Theobald Piggott

This business of carrying knives and guns was not in the English psyche - our feral members of society were either imprisoned or National Service put an end to their antics. This has been imported into our society along with many other bad things by minorities, many of them illegally here but still housed and pampered at our expense who have been given priority in everything and by soft touch mainly left wing governments. Now it's all coming home to roost. Everyone is now too frightened to quote the actual statistics that are staring at us in the face for fear of the racist card being played - just say what you see on your screen out loud every time the news is on - there aren't too many English people involved. But that makes me racist doesn't it rather than an Englishman driven out of London by being outnumbered

Kids have nothing to do these days apart from roam the streets. Without sounding racist the immigration policy of the Labour government means that there are more foreign gangs to deal with and im not talking big 30yr old drug gangs im talking 18yr old kids who are trying to make an name for themselves. Just look around Bromley town centre on a Saturday. I feel sorry for the youth of today, being young has never been so hard!

Congratulations to the NewShopper for taking such a positive stance on this matter. The government need to introduce harsher sentences for carrying a gun or knife and ensure the judiciary use these harsher sentences - perhaps by making them mandatory sentences, thus taking away the option of a judge or magistrate giving a ridiculous soft sentence. There'd be an uproar from the liberal judges and magistrates, but these people are unelected and, judging by their performances, totally incapable of doing their job. We also need to immediately scrap the ridiculous Human Rights Act, which is no more than a legal tool of assistance for the criminal fraternity.

We must also be careful though that we don't unnecessarily add to people's concerns by becoming part of the current media/politician-dri
ven frenzy - comments like "We want your ideas on how to stem the free flow of blood on our streets" add to the general fear of the current climate, but don't actually reflect the reality. Ferral youths, gangs and 'street youths' who carry knives are still very much a minority amongst our young people - please don't get caught up in the Evening Standard / Daily Mail type of reporting that paints all of our young people with these generalisations - growing up is hard enough to do without being ostracised.

If the goverment had a bit of backbone and didn't listern to humans rights ect... and took all the TV's, videos, PC's, and all other luxerys away and keep the "lags" locked up most of the time like they used to, maybe prison wouldn't seem so appealing and maybe all these knife and gun killers would think twice about commiting a crime.
Failing that, if they want to fight so much send them out to Irac ect they could fight to there hearts content then, serve our country and may learn how to act like an adult and gain some respect for others. This country will get worse untill the goverment stand up to these scum so they realise crime is not so big after all

I think all this has gone to far to rectify, kids today have no respect for people and they know that they can get away with everything, the teachers, the police, the courts all have to be Politically correct. There is no punishment for them to be scared of. Its cool to hang around in gangs (not), dont use the excuse they bored they have nothing to do, there wasnt much to do when any of us were kids we made our own entertainment, we didnt go around killing people. Films, violent games, and lack of restriction from parents are all to blame. Im worried for my children, now its a case of if they go to school will they come home.

Missy wrote:
If the goverment had a bit of backbone and didn't listern to humans rights ect... and took all the TV's, videos, PC's, and all other luxerys away and keep the "lags" locked up most of the time like they used to, maybe prison wouldn't seem so appealing and maybe all these knife and gun killers would think twice about commiting a crime. Failing that, if they want to fight so much send them out to Irac ect they could fight to there hearts content then, serve our country and may learn how to act like an adult and gain some respect for others. This country will get worse untill the goverment stand up to these scum so they realise crime is not so big after all

I quite agree. If iwas young and unemployed then committing crime is the way to go.Even if there is a remote chance of getting caught then it would be fine going to prison, all your meals,all mod cons( 'scuse the pun) learn a trade or get educated.Prison is no longer a detterent thanks to the Lord Longfords and the mamby pamby PC brigade. Its about time the Brits stood up and said enough is enough. Bring on the General Election!

"Britain Sh@gged"

Luv all comments but at end of day this country is abso sh1t. Im a white british, i sometimes feel ashamed at the fact i never emigrated..

Knife crime will continue and seems to be getting worse by the day, this will be the case as long as there is no suitable deterrent in place.

I feel we societity in general, should identify all of these stupid laws that always allow the criminals to avoid true punishment.

We should then all join and work together in massive numbers to force the hands of the government to get these silly liberal laws changed.

Around a general election would be a good time!

This is some of what Simon Cowell had to say about knife crime on to the Sun I think we all agree he is 100% correct on this topic...

“If the Government and police were as attentive on knives as they are on smoking, speeding and parking, this problem would disappear in five minutes.

“You’ve got restaurant owners terrified now because of the smoking ban, you light up and you’re pounced on – it’s ridiculous.

“If it was up to me, everyone caught with a knife would get an automatic ten-year sentence.

“We wouldn’t tolerate someone walking into our house carrying a knife so why do we put up with people walking down the street with knives?”

With his usual no-nonsense attitude, Simon adds: “There is too much tolerance in Britain. We have to get tough.

Dannii, saw you post above and just watched your video, Thank you x

After any incident like this, we all get angry and look at who to blame. We need to face up to the facts that the current teenage generation has been brought up with parents more interested in watching eastenders and football, visiting boot fairs, visiting B&Q on a sunday and aimlessly wandering around Tesco in track suits, buying ready meals and coke. So this Nintendo- McDonalds teenage generation has not been read stories to, not discovered music that is not in a download chart have had no school or home discipline, have not been shown any culture. Nor have they learned any respect for anything other than possessions like mobile phones and games. It is US that have allowed this to happen and whenever any of these nasty fighting, swearing aggressive, insecure little boys get caught...their mums and dads cannot believe it is their kid that did the deed!
Do you know where your kids are on a Saturday night? Or are you all too busy reading the Argos catalogue and watching Pop Idol to even care...

Mad Earwig wrote:
After any incident like this, we all get angry and look at who to blame. We need to face up to the facts that the current teenage generation has been brought up with parents more interested in watching eastenders and football, visiting boot fairs, visiting B&Q on a sunday and aimlessly wandering around Tesco in track suits, buying ready meals and coke. So this Nintendo- McDonalds teenage generation has not been read stories to, not discovered music that is not in a download chart have had no school or home discipline, have not been shown any culture. Nor have they learned any respect for anything other than possessions like mobile phones and games. It is US that have allowed this to happen and whenever any of these nasty fighting, swearing aggressive, insecure little boys get caught...their mums and dads cannot believe it is their kid that did the deed! Do you know where your kids are on a Saturday night? Or are you all too busy reading the Argos catalogue and watching Pop Idol to even care...

You can blame the parents to a certain extent but i would say the government have more to do with this. The population is booming and the rescources are getting strained and money is getting tight. We moan that our kids play computer games all day but the alternatives are few and far between. F*** the inner cities and the suburbs. Lets all move to the country and let the scum fight it out between them.

Matt wrote:
Kids have nothing to do these days apart from roam the streets. Without sounding racist the immigration policy of the Labour government means that there are more foreign gangs to deal with and im not talking big 30yr old drug gangs im talking 18yr old kids who are trying to make an name for themselves. Just look around Bromley town centre on a Saturday. I feel sorry for the youth of today, being young has never been so hard!

So what was the difference, say, twenty years ago?
Kids have nothing to do, because they choose that.If youth centres are established, they burn them down, for a quick thrill!
With the easy access of computers, activity days,mobiles,educati
on should be a lot easier, than it was then.
You should feel sorry for the youth of past times, who had nothing to do, but still did not resort to stabbings and drug use.

Bring back National Service and apply a disclaimer when the child is enrolled so that parents cannot whinge when there precious 'angel' is locked in a cell overnight or given a beasting for playing up and generally being a nuisance to the rest of the lads and gals. Kids need LOADS of physical activity and mental stimulus to keep them driven and positive and an updated form of National Service will prepare them to a less selfish lifestyle and teach them the value of 'pulling together' as a team and a valuable member of society! They won't have 1 father figure but maybe a dozen and I honestly believe kids these days lack the authority and respect that 'leaders' in a National Service' can offer and impose! If nothing else it will prepare them for an active and positive future, teach self-discipline and will have the double benefit of putting youngsters to good use within their commuity whilst teaching them valuable skills at the same time!

And while I am on a roll here, I think that newcoming youth in this country should also be enrolled into National Service to serve this country as a pre-requisite to citizenship status. All immigrants except those clearly unable should work for a minimum of five years. They should pay taxes before they are entitled to any benefits, free NHS except emergency aid, similar to France's stance. This will ease the disgruntled feelings of our people and show that the government are concerned and active about the improvement of this country. Zero tolerance with knives and guns without licence impose a short sentence for carriers of such offending items and order them to work on a chain gang like in America. This will improve our roads etc. at material cost and in a way charge the offender with the cost of thier crime as they will have their liberty taken away and recieve no wages for their labour. Yes?

One possible solution to this, and several other problems with our disintegrating society, is the re-introduction of National Service.
This is expensive, but could be funded in the following manner:
1) Scrap the Territorial Army.
2) Approach the Underwriters and ask them how much they pay out on vandalism/ life insurance/ theft/ burglary claims (lets call it £4 Billion a year)
split the difference with the Underwriters - take £2 billion off them. Scrap some of the useless Quangos and ineffective schemes.
3) Divert funding from the Benefits system (because there will be a lot less incapacity and job-seekers claims)
4) Scrap the PCSO scheme

- and there is the funding!!
It does seem to me that this Government is unwilling to actually achieve anything (and looks on-course to miss its "raison D'etre" of achieving re-election!)

The benefits of National Service to this country would be numerous and far-reaching:

Providing well rounded healthy young people to the job market.
Disrupting gang culture.
Massively decreasing "low level" crime.
Massively decreasing Benefits payments.
A possible spin-off could be on the imigration front - Make it compulsory for all imigrants to do a spell of National Service before qualifying for National Health etc. ????

I'm sure that there would be many other benefits to lots of different Government Departments and parts of society.
So, I don't accept the argument "It would be too expensive to implement" especially when this Goverment thinks nothing about chucking £50 Billion at a private company (N.R)

And, importantly, would have a positive impact on stabbing/ shooting/ and drink driving statistics on the under 25's. It would also "tick the box" on the Governments "fear of crime and fear of the causes of crime"

www.youtube.com/watc
h?v=yns-YRrP8P0

Please Have a Look!

Thankyou

Go away Danni you are boring us and we are trying to have a discussion.You have already told us the website twice - if we had wanted to look we would have

me, at home - you should learn some manners, your post is a terrible example to young people

dannii is clearly a young person who has had personal experience of a close friend being murdered - personal experience of the very issue being discussed yet you just dismiss her - and clearly she is still very upset by this loss

i've watched her video - it is very good dannii - and in it she has put this messaage -

if you are someone who carries a knife have a think to yourself, imagine it was you and you lost a relative or friend, think of the pain you would go through and then feel what we feel

dannii has put her time and effort into trying to do something positive and i think you should give her much credit for that, and encourage her and those who do such, instead of being rude and grossly insensitve

Cassie -firstly i don't carry a knife and secondly i have lost someone and so know what it feels like.We don't need to be told 3 times about a website or a video as i said before if we wanted to look at it we could.I am not rude and i am not insensitive,i just don't want to read the same comments over & over

Cassie, Thanks for that message, it was really sweet of you and secondly thankyou for sticking up for me.
& low life 'me' i think you are the biggest and rudest dickhead ever! So now your gonna give it all that 'i lost somebody' well frankly i dont have any sympathy for you! Im just trying to show people how much pain knife puts people through, so if you have lost somebody to a stabbing then maybe i might listen to your comments! The video is to keep my friend in memory of everybody so i dont give a toss what you say.....Im not rude and intensive but i dont want your snide little comments!

Danni - your childish swearing just high lights the sort of person you are - i am entitled to comment as much as i want but i don't feel i need to swear or insult anybody.As for your loss- you are not the only person who has lost somebody in a stabbing.I lost somebody in a stabbing but he was innocent - he wasn't in a gang terrorising a terminally ill women with a brain tumour and 2 elderly people in their 80's.He didn't throw bricks through anyone's living room window or smash anyone's car and he didn't go with a gang of yob's and committ arson on anyones property.He he didn't participate in beating up a disabled man & his carer while they were waiting for a train.Not all victims of stabbing's are entirely innocent,you have heard the saying 'what goes round comes round'.

firstly i don't carry a knife

i didn't say you did, my point was that dannii had taken time and bother to try to do something to stop violent crime

secondly i have lost someone and so know what it feels like

seems strange to me that you say you've lost someone yet don't understand why someone would feel very strongly about trying to stop knife/violent crime, strange that then you have no empathy with her determination to push an anti-violence message

We don't need to be told 3 times about a website or a video as i said before if we wanted to look at it we could.

as above and enthusiasm to stop violence should be valued more highly than the 'bother' of simply scrolling past a very short post

I am not rude and i am not insensitive

you was in your post

i just don't want to read the same comments over & over

aw diddums, her posts were hardly 'war and peace', in fact they were just a few words -

what is more important, the 'bother' to you of reading a handful of words or trying to stop violence crime?

what is more important, the 'bother' to you of reading a handful of words or encouraging young people to be enthusiastic about stopping violent crime?

Once again there is someone in this community who seems to think they no someone inside out when they dont! You never knew my friend and to say he done all that when you dont no him at all and your blatently wrong! so why dont you grow up a little! All of them things must be bothering you in your little mind! I would keep an eye on your son, he maybee up to no good!

Thanks for your support Cassie! It means alot x

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h?v=yns-YRrP8P0

Please Have a Look!

Thankyou

me wrote:
Danni - your childish swearing just high lights the sort of person you are - i am entitled to comment as much as i want but i don't feel i need to swear or insult anybody.As for your loss- you are not the only person who has lost somebody in a stabbing.I lost somebody in a stabbing but he was innocent - he wasn't in a gang terrorising a terminally ill women with a brain tumour and 2 elderly people in their 80's.He didn't throw bricks through anyone's living room window or smash anyone's car and he didn't go with a gang of yob's and committ arson on anyones property.He he didn't participate in beating up a disabled man & his carer while they were waiting for a train.Not all victims of stabbing's are entirely innocent,you have heard the saying 'what goes round comes round'.

Well you should start to pay attention to Danni coz their is also a saying it goes Stick and stones will break my bones but names will never hurt me. We need people to express what pain all these killings have done what ever way helps at least she is not sitting their saying oh well its not my problem. Why are you venting all you anger on someone which is trying to help, this is the problem we have people screaming no-ones doing anything, have you thought about given up your time to do something constructive to help these youths move forward. I now no you thinking why should I, but unless we all work together to help the situation nothing will change because it take's all of us Parents,Teachers, and all that are involed with kids on a daly basis to try to turn these kids around if it is possable it has to be worth a try. Maybe just maybe if you were to take the time to watch this video you may start to understand other people's feelings more instead of thinking just of yourself

your childish swearing just high lights the sort of person you are

your rudeness and gross insensitivity just highlights the sort of person you are

it was your original, totally unnecessary, rudeness which started it - not only are you showing a terrible example to young people but you don't like the taste of your own medicine

me wrote:
Danni - your childish swearing just high lights the sort of person you are - i am entitled to comment as much as i want but i don\'t feel i need to swear or insult anybody.As for your loss- you are not the only person who has lost somebody in a stabbing.I lost somebody in a stabbing but he was innocent - he wasn\'t in a gang terrorising a terminally ill women with a brain tumour and 2 elderly people in their 80\'s.He didn\'t throw bricks through anyone\'s living room window or smash anyone\'s car and he didn\'t go with a gang of yob\'s and committ arson on anyones property.He he didn\'t participate in beating up a disabled man & his carer while they were waiting for a train.Not all victims of stabbing\'s are entirely innocent,you have heard the saying \'what goes round comes round\'.

to me...
firstly i don`t think that you have read all the news on julian buster knight if you have then you would know that he was not in any gangs did not go out looking for trouble .... and for all the comments that you put on this comments above was not him. i was there in the court and heard everything that was said ... buster was a innocent young lad ..and i will not sit here and have a slanging match with you ... buster was my son`s friend and did not have any weapons or go out and look for trouble...for you to sit there and say wot goes around comes around your just behind the people that carry knife`s and thats what we all want to stop......very very anrgy...

Danni_x wrote:
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well done danni

the video you done for buster was very special and thats why we all want knife crime to stop ....

there are alot of people behind you...

I am so hurt that so many young peoples lives are being taken so casualy, its so apparent now that a life meas nothing to young people the same way a 17 year girl can walk into an abortion clinic and get rid of her un-born child the same way these kids run into peoples houses with guns and knives and MURDER someone in there sleep. These kids need to face the reality of life they cant expect to ROLL on the streets with an knife cs the same knife will turn back on them. I cant stand the fact that no one is taking acountability 4 the horrific events taking place round the corner from more or less everyone.

we need a huge investment in our children and young people to even begin to tackle this problem. Read the article by the director of Kids Company (Times Online) it is the best explanation I have seen about how to address youth violence. I would also like to see an open police station in Sidcup and borough wide "ambassadors" like thay have in Sheffield who patrol areas and can mediate until police arrive.

Another youth has been stabbed in Greenwich within the last hour, it seems to be getting worse.

I have read everybody’s comments on this subject and they are all doing the same thing.
Blaming the next generation.
It is the same old story, blame it on the kids, blame the government, blame the parents.
Kids have nothing to do so we blame them.
When these kids become adults, they will be blaming the kids of the next generation.

It is about time the adults of today take responsibility for their kids actions.
Ask where there going.
Ask what they are doing.
Ask whom they are with.
Check what they are carrying, knife or no kniife.

Then the Adults blame each other and the government because of the kids it is a vicious circle.
HOWEVER,
There is minority of British society cannot be bothered. “IT’S NOT MY PROBLEM” Attitude.

USA HAS THE GUN.
UK HAS THE KNIFE.
BRING BACK STOP AND SEARCH...

IT IS TIME WE ALL TOOK RESPONSIBILITY.

Martin wrote:
One possible solution to this, and several other problems with our disintegrating society, is the re-introduction of National Service.
This is expensive, but could be funded in the following manner:
1) Scrap the Territorial Army.
2) Approach the Underwriters and ask them how much they pay out on vandalism/ life insurance/ theft/ burglary claims (lets call it £4 Billion a year)
split the difference with the Underwriters - take £2 billion off them. Scrap some of the useless Quangos and ineffective schemes.
3) Divert funding from the Benefits system (because there will be a lot less incapacity and job-seekers claims)
4) Scrap the PCSO scheme

- and there is the funding!!
It does seem to me that this Government is unwilling to actually achieve anything (and looks on-course to miss its "raison D'etre" of achieving re-election!)

The benefits of National Service to this country would be numerous and far-reaching:

Providing well rounded healthy young people to the job market.
Disrupting gang culture.
Massively decreasing "low level" crime.
Massively decreasing Benefits payments.
A possible spin-off could be on the imigration front - Make it compulsory for all imigrants to do a spell of National Service before qualifying for National Health etc. ????

I'm sure that there would be many other benefits to lots of different Government Departments and parts of society.
So, I don't accept the argument "It would be too expensive to implement" especially when this Goverment thinks nothing about chucking £50 Billion at a private company (N.R)

And, importantly, would have a positive impact on stabbing/ shooting/ and drink driving statistics on the under 25's. It would also "tick the box" on the Governments "fear of crime and fear of the causes of crime"

I couldn't have put that better myself Martin. Well done. I will just add for BOYS and GIRLS