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Man given 10 years for drug and gun crimes
2:16pm Friday 16th May 2008
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A 21-YEAR-OLD man from Bexleyheath has been sentenced to 10 years in jail for drugs and firearms offences.
Joseph Ryan pleaded guilty yesterday (May 15) to possessing with intent to supply cocaine, ecstasy and cannabis estimated to be worth more than £750,000.
Ryan, of Canberra Road, Bexleyheath, also pleaded guilty to possessing a pistol, a handgun, ammunition for both weapons and CS spray.
Maidstone Crown Court heard that Ryan was arrested on suspicion of supplying a controlled drug last October.
Police searched his home and vehicle and recovered a total of four-and-a-half kilos of cocaine, 15 kilos of skunk cannabis and 76 ecstasy tablets.
Police also found a "substantial" amount of cash.
Offficers then searched a flat in Thamesmead which Ryan was known to use.
In a safe police found two loaded handguns, 136 rounds of ammunition and five cans of CS spray along with two plastic containers of ecstasy tablets.
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Pink Kitten, London says...
3:14pm Fri 16 May 08
mt I like it!
This man is what you call a law breaker!
This man is what you call a law breaker!
Pink Kitten, London says...
3:30pm Fri 16 May 08
Actually mt her favourite song could be.....
I like to ride my bicycle, I like to ride my bike!
(wasn't that in a Queen song?)
I had better make a comment about the story now otherwise I will be moaned at.
This is terrible, 10 years is not long enough!
There job done.
I like to ride my bicycle, I like to ride my bike!
(wasn't that in a Queen song?)
I had better make a comment about the story now otherwise I will be moaned at.
This is terrible, 10 years is not long enough!
There job done.
llb, Bexleyheath says...
3:42pm Fri 16 May 08
Ok a serious crime has been commited but the people who have bad to say dont know joe, and being a good friend of his my thoughts go out to him and his family as 10 years is a long time and im sure he regrets what he has done. My thoughts are with you babe xxx
mt, says...
3:45pm Fri 16 May 08
err no you regret having the extra drink, you regret making a prat of yourself when pis*ed. you dont regret having an arsenal of weapons and more drugs than a blo*dy pharmacy. do the crime do the time.
Lizzielooloo, says...
4:17pm Fri 16 May 08
Totally agree with you mt!
GEMMA, Belvedere says...
4:19pm Fri 16 May 08
llb wrote:He 'pleaded guilty to possessing a pistol, a handgun, ammunition for both weapons and CS spray'
Ok a serious crime has been commited but the people who have bad to say dont know joe, and being a good friend of his my thoughts go out to him and his family as 10 years is a long time and im sure he regrets what he has done. My thoughts are with you babe xxx
He sounds a really nice guy!
anita, dartford says...
4:29pm Fri 16 May 08
He deserved everything he got he had firearms, ammunition cs spray, drugs. Should of got longer. He had drugs worth £750,000!! Really nice bloke. Not. Believe it or not it's illegal.
justice, outthere says...
5:12pm Fri 16 May 08
10 years is a long sentence, let hope that the guy who killed Jimmy Mizen get longer, or that will be a crime
Sad to be British, says...
5:23pm Fri 16 May 08
I agree with you "justice", I can never understand our justice system! It will be interesting to see.
I will probably get shouted at for this but I feel with enough evidence it should be a life for a life, the animal that killed Jimmy did so with intent.
I will probably get shouted at for this but I feel with enough evidence it should be a life for a life, the animal that killed Jimmy did so with intent.
sammy jo, says...
7:27pm Fri 16 May 08
hello
sammy jo, says...
7:37pm Fri 16 May 08
i think that the comments that have been made on this page are some what true.but have any of you thought of the families that have to deal with all this out here.your comments mean nothing to us,as they say sticks and stones.he is well aware of the crime that he has commited and now after doing the crime he will do the time.if any of you had hearts then you would feel the pain that my sister (joe fiance) is going through right now.
sammy jo, says...
7:57pm Fri 16 May 08
you obvouisly dont n o joe because he has served already 8 months and nothin of the sort has happend you have been watching to many films.so manybe you need a sell next to him serving a perversion sentence.
PinkyandPerky, Erith says...
8:09pm Fri 16 May 08
It makes you laugh, You get all these sick people, nonces walking the streets and people seem to have more intrest in some young fella who wanted to make some easy money!!! make me sick!!!!!!!!!!!
Its Pathetic People !
Its Pathetic People !
sammy jo, says...
8:17pm Fri 16 May 08
by any chance do we no the person that has just sent that mess
Will, Bexleyheath says...
8:29pm Fri 16 May 08
sammy jo wrote:I'm glad to hear that he's already done time - means that he won't get out in 5.
you obvouisly dont n o joe because he has served already 8 months and nothin of the sort has happend you have been watching to many films.so manybe you need a sell next to him serving a perversion sentence.
sammy jo, says...
8:32pm Fri 16 May 08
Will wrote:what doed that message mean
sammy jo wrote: you obvouisly dont n o joe because he has served already 8 months and nothin of the sort has happend you have been watching to many films.so manybe you need a sell next to him serving a perversion sentence.I'm glad to hear that he's already done time - means that he won't get out in 5.
sammy jo, says...
8:34pm Fri 16 May 08
why wont he
sammy jo, says...
8:37pm Fri 16 May 08
well said bow
im loveing it
im loveing it
Albert, crayford says...
8:39pm Fri 16 May 08
Hey sammy Jo!
u sound really hot, and have alot to say
Wanna Hook Up?????
u sound really hot, and have alot to say
Wanna Hook Up?????
sammy jo, says...
8:41pm Fri 16 May 08
ya ok then wen and where
leigh, bexleyheath says...
8:42pm Fri 16 May 08
sammy jo wrote:Will What makes u think he wont be out in 5, were u in the court room?? Dont think!! get yer facts rite!!!
Will wrote:what doed that message meansammy jo wrote: you obvouisly dont n o joe because he has served already 8 months and nothin of the sort has happend you have been watching to many films.so manybe you need a sell next to him serving a perversion sentence.I\\\'m glad to hear that he\\\'s already done time - means that he won\\\'t get out in 5.
aimee, dartford says...
8:52pm Fri 16 May 08
i just think everyone should know i am joes fiance and whatever u lot think of him,u should keep it to yourself.
because none of u no him like i do he is a good man with a big heart,and never ment no harm. by the way we will b getting marriade and starting a family,and by the way he has got the best family and support round him, so all your comments mean nothing to us!!!
because none of u no him like i do he is a good man with a big heart,and never ment no harm. by the way we will b getting marriade and starting a family,and by the way he has got the best family and support round him, so all your comments mean nothing to us!!!
pc, says...
11:27pm Fri 16 May 08
he is lucky its ten years. if i werein control it would be life
lj, here says...
11:38pm Fri 16 May 08
getting marriade??? marinated more like. You certainly know how to pick them!! So you never lived of his highly immoral earnings cos if you did that makes you a whore!!
sisyphus, Bromley says...
11:49pm Fri 16 May 08
When are the liberal handwringers who supposedly run this vomit-inducing excuse for a so-called country - which I hate and which, did I mention, is going downhill faster than a west country bumpkin at a cheese rolling festival - going to wake up and deal with these indigenous men who are just hell-bent on hoarding weapons and class A drugs?
It makes sick to my stomach. These people are born here, raised here by other people who were born here, they go to school here. And this how they repay us!
It makes sick to my stomach. These people are born here, raised here by other people who were born here, they go to school here. And this how they repay us!
Joes Mum, Erith says...
12:30am Sat 17 May 08
Lets see if I can make it a bit clearer for all thats interested in this case, I was actually in the court room myself on this case & I personally believe that a 10 year sentence is no way long enough for someone that is TRULY 100% guilty of these offences.
Only the people in the court room can vouch for what happened, the judge & jury was actually on Joes side and knew he was not involved in the firearms or a large part of the drugs so they came to a deal where as if he went not guilty & lost in a very complex argument he could have got 20+ years so he was advised to go guilty so the judge could give him a smaller sentence for the said crimes.(that he did not commit)
Sick I know but true!
Joe DID NOT commit these crimes detailed as they are in the local news, if the reporters did their jobs properly & sat in courtroom you would be reading a very different story now.
His Girlfriend DID NOT live off of any immoral earnings, neither is she a whore.
So although he is actually guilty on paper he is not of the crimes as they are indicated.
I now have a sceptical view of the British legal system & I look at convicted prisoners
In a totally different light.
If I thought my son was guilty of these crimes I would not be sitting here defending him I would wash my hands of him.
Joe is not here to fight his corner and it looks like you have you own fight going on here anyway so I will say goodnight & leave you to it.
Joes Mum
Only the people in the court room can vouch for what happened, the judge & jury was actually on Joes side and knew he was not involved in the firearms or a large part of the drugs so they came to a deal where as if he went not guilty & lost in a very complex argument he could have got 20+ years so he was advised to go guilty so the judge could give him a smaller sentence for the said crimes.(that he did not commit)
Sick I know but true!
Joe DID NOT commit these crimes detailed as they are in the local news, if the reporters did their jobs properly & sat in courtroom you would be reading a very different story now.
His Girlfriend DID NOT live off of any immoral earnings, neither is she a whore.
So although he is actually guilty on paper he is not of the crimes as they are indicated.
I now have a sceptical view of the British legal system & I look at convicted prisoners
In a totally different light.
If I thought my son was guilty of these crimes I would not be sitting here defending him I would wash my hands of him.
Joe is not here to fight his corner and it looks like you have you own fight going on here anyway so I will say goodnight & leave you to it.
Joes Mum
patriche, BEXLEY says...
5:43am Sat 17 May 08
Good on Joe's mum for sticking by her boy.... However no barrister would advise an innocent client to plead guilty. Joes mum needs to understand that her son is a violent drug dealer who would be quite prepared to take the life of somebody elses child. That's why he had guns and ammo... He was also quite prepared to peddle in cocaine. I suggests she reads a few web sites like drugscope that explains the effects of drugs, and she looks into the statistics on the death, meyhem and crime that addicts leave behind in the wake of dealers.
Joe's mum and his family I understand. But they and his financee's family should spend the next 4 years (because that's all he will really serve) trying to persuade the financee to look for a real man to father her kids.
I do agree with Joe's mum however that 10 years is far too short for somebody who is guilty of this sort of crime... it's just a pity that she in her loyality to her child does not see that he is guilty. I thought this recent news story from Scotland might help her see her sons destiny if he doesn't change his ways and get out of crime http://news.bbc.co.u
k/1/hi/scotland/4677
818.stm
Those who can't be bothered to follow the link. It's a case of a man called Joseph Ryan who in 1997 was given 10 years for cocaine and firearms and today exists no more because he was murdered....
Mum start accepting your boy is a violent drug dealer and start trying to save his life...
Joe's mum and his family I understand. But they and his financee's family should spend the next 4 years (because that's all he will really serve) trying to persuade the financee to look for a real man to father her kids.
I do agree with Joe's mum however that 10 years is far too short for somebody who is guilty of this sort of crime... it's just a pity that she in her loyality to her child does not see that he is guilty. I thought this recent news story from Scotland might help her see her sons destiny if he doesn't change his ways and get out of crime http://news.bbc.co.u
k/1/hi/scotland/4677
818.stm
Those who can't be bothered to follow the link. It's a case of a man called Joseph Ryan who in 1997 was given 10 years for cocaine and firearms and today exists no more because he was murdered....
Mum start accepting your boy is a violent drug dealer and start trying to save his life...
Mark, Dartford says...
10:08am Sat 17 May 08
He should have a life sentence.
Life meaning, until he is at least 60.
We do not need these people, that feed drugs to others that are then a burden to us all.
Life meaning, until he is at least 60.
We do not need these people, that feed drugs to others that are then a burden to us all.
M, Eltham says...
10:44am Sat 17 May 08
To Joes Mum & Girlfriend, Did it never occur to yourselves he was upto no good when he was awash with cash & driving a car other 21 year olds dream about?
i suggest you were blinkered at the time as you are now with his "innocence"
i suggest you were blinkered at the time as you are now with his "innocence"
Me, Here says...
11:37am Sat 17 May 08
Joe's mum sounds about as thick as her sad excuse of a son. She clearly has no grasp of the legal system despite her son's many crimes.
First of all, there would not have been a jury involved. He pleaded guilty so there would not have been a trial.
There would have been no "complex argument". His lawyer would have advised him that if he was found guilty he would have got 20+ years - simple as that. So he admitted the crimes knowing he would have been found guilty later on. There would not have been any "deal" and the judge would not have been "on his side". WHta a load of deluded rubbish.
He IS very much guilty of all the crimes he has admitted to and which he committed.
First of all, there would not have been a jury involved. He pleaded guilty so there would not have been a trial.
There would have been no "complex argument". His lawyer would have advised him that if he was found guilty he would have got 20+ years - simple as that. So he admitted the crimes knowing he would have been found guilty later on. There would not have been any "deal" and the judge would not have been "on his side". WHta a load of deluded rubbish.
He IS very much guilty of all the crimes he has admitted to and which he committed.
Joes Mum, Erith says...
12:01pm Sat 17 May 08
To Patrice of Bexley
You seem quite certain that he would not be advised to go guilty; well I think you should take a time & sit in the courts of law and observe, I am certain it will open your eyes as it has mine!
I am not blinkered, you only know what the media write, and I understand this because I would normally read a story & think the same as you, if there was a way for you to see the actual court events you would be amazed.
We never observed him up to no good, neither awash with cash nor driving a car other 21 year olds dream about?
The cars he drove daily belonged to his father.
He did not have anything to do with guns & Ammo and most of the other things that was stated. This was made very clear by the Judge; I cant understand that if a reporter was supposed to be sitting in the court room why didnt he bother write about what really happened.
There was only family in this particular court room. NO REPORTER
From now on when I read that someone has been proven guilty I wont Judge them on what the media write. Because be it my son, I have witnessed a courtroom twist!
I understand your angry comments, I too would normally take the same view but this has totally changed the way I see things.
Joes Mum
You seem quite certain that he would not be advised to go guilty; well I think you should take a time & sit in the courts of law and observe, I am certain it will open your eyes as it has mine!
I am not blinkered, you only know what the media write, and I understand this because I would normally read a story & think the same as you, if there was a way for you to see the actual court events you would be amazed.
We never observed him up to no good, neither awash with cash nor driving a car other 21 year olds dream about?
The cars he drove daily belonged to his father.
He did not have anything to do with guns & Ammo and most of the other things that was stated. This was made very clear by the Judge; I cant understand that if a reporter was supposed to be sitting in the court room why didnt he bother write about what really happened.
There was only family in this particular court room. NO REPORTER
From now on when I read that someone has been proven guilty I wont Judge them on what the media write. Because be it my son, I have witnessed a courtroom twist!
I understand your angry comments, I too would normally take the same view but this has totally changed the way I see things.
Joes Mum
llb, bexleyheath says...
1:05pm Sat 17 May 08
I totally agree with what joes mum is saying, ive known job for a while and he is the loveliest bloke and no matter what any of you might say none of you know him, so how can you judge on what the media say! He pleaded not quilty and is guna do his time so can all of you just back off and let him do his time and his family can be left alone!!!!
llb, bexleyheath says...
1:26pm Sat 17 May 08
Sorry i meant to say he pleaded guilty so hes prepared to do the time. Please just leave him and his family alone!! None of you who are jugding him by what the media say know him, and yes he is a good bloke and he knows what he has done is wrong!!! Ive known him for a while and he has gotr a big heart and id stick up for him all the way!
curious, London says...
1:50pm Sat 17 May 08
"Police searched his home and vehicle and recovered a total of four-and-a-half kilos of cocaine, 15 kilos of skunk cannabis and 76 ecstasy tablets.
"Officers then searched a flat in Thamesmead which Ryan was known to use.
"In a safe police found two loaded handguns, 136 rounds of ammunition and five cans of CS spray along with two plastic containers of ecstasy tablets."
Pillar of the community!
"Officers then searched a flat in Thamesmead which Ryan was known to use.
"In a safe police found two loaded handguns, 136 rounds of ammunition and five cans of CS spray along with two plastic containers of ecstasy tablets."
Pillar of the community!
Lll, says...
1:56pm Sat 17 May 08
curious wrote:Yeah but Curious, apparently he has got "an 'eart of gold"
\"Police searched his home and vehicle and recovered a total of four-and-a-half kilos of cocaine, 15 kilos of skunk cannabis and 76 ecstasy tablets. \"Officers then searched a flat in Thamesmead which Ryan was known to use. \"In a safe police found two loaded handguns, 136 rounds of ammunition and five cans of CS spray along with two plastic containers of ecstasy tablets.\" Pillar of the community!
Righto!
He deserves all he gets.
unnamed, kent says...
3:53pm Sat 17 May 08
I do think that from what was wriiten there has been wrong in this young mans life, but you cannot tell me he has done this by himself and im sure there are alot more dangerous people out there.
He has been sentanced and will do his time but what about the others involved because im sure he was not doing this by himself.
There are nasty nasty people out there that get young men like joe involved in crime like this.
Has anyone thought of this.
The british legal system is **** and how is it that a person that can cause harm to a young child (sex offender)is not put in prison and is still aloud to go around the streets, yet if a person does not pay a parking ticket can go in for a prison sentance.
This country needs to start taking control of itself!!!!!!!!!
tasha, bromley says...
4:16pm Sat 17 May 08
yeah this man has done wrong.. but 10 years ..isnt that what paedophiles should get and more!!!!
whats this world coming to?
whats this world coming to?
Jay, London says...
6:00pm Sat 17 May 08
Joe's Mom, I understand your pain at seeing one of your own children taken to jail,the shame,the press coverage, neighbours whispering behind your back,You see My child also went to prison only she is a girl,at the time a 13yr old girl,they took her away after sentencing just ten days before xmas handcuffed and screaming for me to help her! Her sentence three years.Her crime was robbery,shall i tell you why she commited robbery? An intelligent girl from a good family,in private education,She got to know a 22 year old local drug dealer,"a nice young man" also apparently.He started giving her and her friends soft drugs,then when they needed more started giving them credit,then he came to collect giving them 24 hrs to find 3 hundred pounds,or he would hand them over to someone who would kill them,not able to confront me with what she had done she broke into a house and several vehicles and got caught,she was found with the filth that he had given her on her,so she would have the courage to do the crime,so he could pay off his suppliers. My child did wrong and she was duly punished I did not go crying "not my child" However I rallied and screamed at the lowlife who bought this destruction to my family. My child is 21 now,a mother herself,she moved on and learnt from her punishment,she has her own house and a good career, This is the pain that small time drug dealers dish out to families. I have no compassion for your Son I'm sorry.At 14 my Daughter found her 15yr old cellmate hanging in their cell after breakfast, She still has nightmares that even though she held her up till help arrived she still died,That girls crime very similar to that of my Daughter.This is the reality of drugs in our community,It touches us all from all walks of life.
Joes Mum, Erith says...
6:54pm Sat 17 May 08
To the person (ME) posted at 11:37 today
1st of all at least have the decency to ask me to meet you before you call me thick.
Also every single bit of your comment is absolute BULL
Dont sit there hiding behind your computer trying to sound legally knowledgeable, YOU WAS NOT IN COURT, the points I made in my 12.30am posting was fact not fiction, There are ways to finding the minutes to the actual court hearing if you are really that interested, I am sure that would satisfy your hunger.
I have never said that I am defending my sons actions as to what he actually did do (But you will not know the actual details of exactly what he did unless you obtain the minutes to the hearing) but I am defending what he has be conveyed as, he is not a violent drug dealer who would be prepared to take the life of somebody elses child.
He did not have anything to do with guns & ammo neither most of the other stuff that was found, nor do I not need to look into the statistics on the death, mayhem.
All what I have said can be confirmed by obtaining the minutes, its not impossible dont take my word, go for it, get some real news from the horses mouth.
To unnamed, kent on 3:53pm today
Thank you.
Joes Mum
1st of all at least have the decency to ask me to meet you before you call me thick.
Also every single bit of your comment is absolute BULL
Dont sit there hiding behind your computer trying to sound legally knowledgeable, YOU WAS NOT IN COURT, the points I made in my 12.30am posting was fact not fiction, There are ways to finding the minutes to the actual court hearing if you are really that interested, I am sure that would satisfy your hunger.
I have never said that I am defending my sons actions as to what he actually did do (But you will not know the actual details of exactly what he did unless you obtain the minutes to the hearing) but I am defending what he has be conveyed as, he is not a violent drug dealer who would be prepared to take the life of somebody elses child.
He did not have anything to do with guns & ammo neither most of the other stuff that was found, nor do I not need to look into the statistics on the death, mayhem.
All what I have said can be confirmed by obtaining the minutes, its not impossible dont take my word, go for it, get some real news from the horses mouth.
To unnamed, kent on 3:53pm today
Thank you.
Joes Mum
Joes Mum, Erith says...
7:47pm Sat 17 May 08
Jay, London on 6:00pm today
I can totally understand your hate for the man that did this to your child and he is obviously a monster and it takes a certain kind of scum to do this to anyone, but you cannot tar others with the same brush.
I am not crying Not my child obviously it was painful seeing my son go to prison
I dont feel shame, I feel relief, my son has been freed (I am sure you would understand this comment if you knew the case) the press coverage is totally incorrect (This can be proved in the court minutes) my neighbours are not whispering behind my back, the ones that matter know my son & know he is not what is conveyed, my son did not supply young girls with drugs.
I am not going to air my sons personal file but I am confident you personally would understand if you knew the truth.
I hope you daughters nightmares end & she can enjoy her life.
Joes Mum.
I can totally understand your hate for the man that did this to your child and he is obviously a monster and it takes a certain kind of scum to do this to anyone, but you cannot tar others with the same brush.
I am not crying Not my child obviously it was painful seeing my son go to prison
I dont feel shame, I feel relief, my son has been freed (I am sure you would understand this comment if you knew the case) the press coverage is totally incorrect (This can be proved in the court minutes) my neighbours are not whispering behind my back, the ones that matter know my son & know he is not what is conveyed, my son did not supply young girls with drugs.
I am not going to air my sons personal file but I am confident you personally would understand if you knew the truth.
I hope you daughters nightmares end & she can enjoy her life.
Joes Mum.
Sisyphus, Bromley says...
8:32pm Sat 17 May 08
What bit is wrong? You keep saying 'if you only knew', 'the court minutes' etc.
I'm certainly not going to attempt to claim I know what sort of a person your son is. Maybe he's lovely, maybe he's not. That's not the issue.
What is the issue is that he pleaded guilty to possessing with intent to supply cocaine, ecstasy and cannabis estimated to be worth more than £750,000; and possessing a pistol, a handgun, ammunition for both weapons and CS spray.
You're not disputing these facts, I assume? He did admit to these things? And he has been sentenced on this basis?
Or hasn't he? Can we rely on these as facts? If there's an inaccuracy in the story, the newspaper will have to amend it.
I'm certainly not going to attempt to claim I know what sort of a person your son is. Maybe he's lovely, maybe he's not. That's not the issue.
What is the issue is that he pleaded guilty to possessing with intent to supply cocaine, ecstasy and cannabis estimated to be worth more than £750,000; and possessing a pistol, a handgun, ammunition for both weapons and CS spray.
You're not disputing these facts, I assume? He did admit to these things? And he has been sentenced on this basis?
Or hasn't he? Can we rely on these as facts? If there's an inaccuracy in the story, the newspaper will have to amend it.
Matt, bromley says...
8:33pm Sat 17 May 08
Has anyone been to Bromley multi-storey car park lately. How bad is the new system.
Jay, London says...
9:05pm Sat 17 May 08
Joe's Mom, You have no need to justify your Son's sentence on here, or of what he was accused of to anyone.Whatever my feelings You are right, I don't know your Son's case and believe me I am not attempting to "tar your Son with the same brush",I know exactly how you are feeling believe me .My thoughts and prayers are with you tonight,and I mean that. It's us Mom's who are left to cope with the aftermath of this mess, but also believe me when I say time will heal, The pain will always remain of watching your child being taken out of reach,but I understand exactly your words when you mention relief.He is your child,You are his Mother If you know in your heart justice has not been done go out and fight for him do not stay here arguing his cause, Look up the Howard league they kept me sane,they are amazing.My thoughts are with you, from one mother to another.
Joes Mum, Erith says...
10:01pm Sat 17 May 08
Thank you for your understanding.
Joes Mum
Joes Mum
TJ, around says...
5:53pm Sun 18 May 08
why has my posts been removed simple simon..
llb, bexleyheath says...
6:39pm Sun 18 May 08
Yer well i dont care what any of you say., joes is a good friend, and id back him up 100%, i think soo much of him and i just want him to do his time so i can see him happy again ****
sammy jo, says...
7:58pm Sun 18 May 08
llb wrote:just wounder if aimee sister would no this llb
Yer well i dont care what any of you say., joes is a good friend, and id back him up 100%, i think soo much of him and i just want him to do his time so i can see him happy again ****
Simon Bull, Web editor, News Shopper says...
10:19pm Sun 18 May 08
TJ wrote:Maybe, TJ, it was because you couldn't post a comment without using bad language. And you call me simple? Honestly ...
why has my posts been removed simple simon..
TJ, here says...
10:36pm Sun 18 May 08
your the editor so maybe you should just edit them?
vern, west wickham says...
10:36pm Sun 18 May 08
llb wrote:He looks like a lovely bloke,i expect old ladies he helps across the road will miss him...........of course he regrets....... GETTING - you sound like a tight NUMBNUT....BABE.
Ok a serious crime has been commited but the people who have bad to say dont know joe, and being a good friend of his my thoughts go out to him and his family as 10 years is a long time and im sure he regrets what he has done. My thoughts are with you babe xxx
Officer & Gentleman, London says...
10:47pm Sun 18 May 08
Joes Mum wrote:To put some clarity on this - I was on the team investigating this.As you know the guilty plea was entered because the evidence was so compelling. A " Not Guilty" Plea would have attracted a minimum term of 18 yrs. We all love our Children but we should not try to justify their actions.
Lets see if I can make it a bit clearer for all thats interested in this case, I was actually in the court room myself on this case & I personally believe that a 10 year sentence is no way long enough for someone that is TRULY 100% guilty of these offences.
Only the people in the court room can vouch for what happened, the judge & jury was actually on Joes side and knew he was not involved in the firearms or a large part of the drugs so they came to a deal where as if he went not guilty & lost in a very complex argument he could have got 20+ years so he was advised to go guilty so the judge could give him a smaller sentence for the said crimes.(that he did not commit)
Sick I know but true!
Joe DID NOT commit these crimes detailed as they are in the local news, if the reporters did their jobs properly & sat in courtroom you would be reading a very different story now.
His Girlfriend DID NOT live off of any immoral earnings, neither is she a whore.
So although he is actually guilty on paper he is not of the crimes as they are indicated.
I now have a sceptical view of the British legal system & I look at convicted prisoners
In a totally different light.
If I thought my son was guilty of these crimes I would not be sitting here defending him I would wash my hands of him.
Joe is not here to fight his corner and it looks like you have you own fight going on here anyway so I will say goodnight & leave you to it.
Joes Mum
sisyphus, Bromley says...
11:08pm Sun 18 May 08
Joes Mum wrote:He pleaded guilty, so there was no trial, i.e. no jury. So how could they have been "on his side"? Are you sure you were there?
Lets see if I can make it a bit clearer for all thats interested in this case, I was actually in the court room myself on this case & I personally believe that a 10 year sentence is no way long enough for someone that is TRULY 100% guilty of these offences.
Only the people in the court room can vouch for what happened, the judge & jury was actually on Joes side and knew he was not involved in the firearms or a large part of the drugs so they came to a deal where as if he went not guilty & lost in a very complex argument he could have got 20+ years so he was advised to go guilty so the judge could give him a smaller sentence for the said crimes.(that he did not commit)
Sick I know but true!
Joe DID NOT commit these crimes detailed as they are in the local news, if the reporters did their jobs properly & sat in courtroom you would be reading a very different story now.
His Girlfriend DID NOT live off of any immoral earnings, neither is she a whore.
So although he is actually guilty on paper he is not of the crimes as they are indicated.
I now have a sceptical view of the British legal system & I look at convicted prisoners
In a totally different light.
If I thought my son was guilty of these crimes I would not be sitting here defending him I would wash my hands of him.
Joe is not here to fight his corner and it looks like you have you own fight going on here anyway so I will say goodnight & leave you to it.
Joes Mum
Joes Mum, Erith says...
12:00am Mon 19 May 08
So Pease tell me Simon Bull Why was my post deleted I dont recall using bad language?
Officer & Gentleman, London says...
12:00am Mon 19 May 08
sisyphus wrote:As you have correctly noted The mother (if indeed it is her) is showing the motherly delusion that her criminal son is "innocent" If he is I suggest he requests a
Joes Mum wrote:He pleaded guilty, so there was no trial, i.e. no jury. So how could they have been "on his side"? Are you sure you were there?
Lets see if I can make it a bit clearer for all thats interested in this case, I was actually in the court room myself on this case & I personally believe that a 10 year sentence is no way long enough for someone that is TRULY 100% guilty of these offences.
Only the people in the court room can vouch for what happened, the judge & jury was actually on Joes side and knew he was not involved in the firearms or a large part of the drugs so they came to a deal where as if he went not guilty & lost in a very complex argument he could have got 20+ years so he was advised to go guilty so the judge could give him a smaller sentence for the said crimes.(that he did not commit)
Sick I know but true!
Joe DID NOT commit these crimes detailed as they are in the local news, if the reporters did their jobs properly & sat in courtroom you would be reading a very different story now.
His Girlfriend DID NOT live off of any immoral earnings, neither is she a whore.
So although he is actually guilty on paper he is not of the crimes as they are indicated.
I now have a sceptical view of the British legal system & I look at convicted prisoners
In a totally different light.
If I thought my son was guilty of these crimes I would not be sitting here defending him I would wash my hands of him.
Joe is not here to fight his corner and it looks like you have you own fight going on here anyway so I will say goodnight & leave you to it.
Joes Mum
meeting with his solicitor so that he may put forward a reason for his "guilty Plea" I personally would have been delighted to see this man plead NG and get convicted thus receiving a longer sentance - this would have course cost the taxpayer more money BUT as the evidence is so Damming he had no choice but to plead guilty.
No mother likes to see her child put away but perhaps she and others in her family should have questioned where he got all his money from. NOW SHE KNOWS (but of course she knew all along !!)
Another piece of lowlife is now off the streets.
patrich, bexley says...
6:25am Mon 19 May 08
I did not suggest that he was not advised to plead guilty. What I said was that no barrister would suggest that an innocent person pleaded guilty.
I have seen courts in action may times.
I will accept that court reporters do make mistakes, and that what appears in a paper may be slightly different from what ahppenned in the court room. However the newshopper clearly contains indisputable facts. Read it again there is nothing other than the simple facts. Drugs found here, guns found there, plea of guilt,sentence.
Your son is not a small time dealer. He is a major player.
The police undoubtely recieved information he was dealing and built up a case against him. Often this information comes from somebody quite close, perhaps a girlfriend who has found somebody else... a relation who hates drug dealers, a friend who he double crossed, A neighbour who saw the live style of your son for what it was.
Even if we consider that all your son was doing was looking after the gear for somebody else that still makes him a drug dealer. Even if he never intended to use the guns himself it still makes him violent.
Good kids don't have drugs in their house and car. Good kids don't have loaded firearms in a safe house.
You describe my earlier comments as angry. I don't do angry.
Drugs and loaded firearms kill. Your son is a violent drug dealer and you would be better thought of if you spent the next few years waking up to this fact.
I have seen courts in action may times.
I will accept that court reporters do make mistakes, and that what appears in a paper may be slightly different from what ahppenned in the court room. However the newshopper clearly contains indisputable facts. Read it again there is nothing other than the simple facts. Drugs found here, guns found there, plea of guilt,sentence.
Your son is not a small time dealer. He is a major player.
The police undoubtely recieved information he was dealing and built up a case against him. Often this information comes from somebody quite close, perhaps a girlfriend who has found somebody else... a relation who hates drug dealers, a friend who he double crossed, A neighbour who saw the live style of your son for what it was.
Even if we consider that all your son was doing was looking after the gear for somebody else that still makes him a drug dealer. Even if he never intended to use the guns himself it still makes him violent.
Good kids don't have drugs in their house and car. Good kids don't have loaded firearms in a safe house.
You describe my earlier comments as angry. I don't do angry.
Drugs and loaded firearms kill. Your son is a violent drug dealer and you would be better thought of if you spent the next few years waking up to this fact.
Simon Bull, web editor, News Shopper says...
9:11am Mon 19 May 08
Joes Mum wrote:Sometimes people who make valid comments in a debate either refer to other peoples comments or quote what other people have written.
So Pease tell me Simon Bull Why was my post deleted I dont recall using bad language?
When the earlier comments are removed for being inappropriate, anything which refers back to them or quotes them also has to be removed partly because the debate would not make any sense otherwise, but also because it would be pointless removing bad comments if they are still there for people to read further on in the thread.
As for TJ, for legal reasons comments are not edited, they are simply deleted.
mt, says...
2:57pm Fri 16 May 08