NEIGHBOURS have paid tribute to a father-of-two who died after being struck by a car outside a school.
The incident took place at around 3pm yesterday (March 27) when pedestrian Alan Beveridge was in collision with a white Toyota Corolla.
The car then collided with the rear of a silver Peugeot.
An ambulance took the pedestrian to hospital from the scene near Crofton Junior School, Crofton Lane, at around 3.13pm.
But the 50-year-old man, of Beckford Drive, Petts Wood, was pronounced dead five minutes later.
Family friends who live in the same road say they are shocked by what happened when he was on his way home from work.
They told the News Shopper he was coming home because he did not feel well and was on the pavement.
One said: "He was a really smiley nice man with good children.
"He was just such a fine person.
"They are a lovely family, the best you could ever wish to know.
"He was just fantastic and everybody will miss him.
"We are all so completely shocked.
"We do not know how we are going to live without him.
Another nearby neighbour said: "The family are very close friends of ours and he was a beloved dad and a good friendly man.
"It is just tragic.
The 72-year-old Toyota Corolla driver was taken to the Princess Royal University Hospital, Farnborough, suffering from chest injuries.
She was arrested at the hospital on suspicion of causing death by dangerous driving.
The driver, from the Sidcup area, has been bailed to return to Bromley police station on June 26.
No-one from the Peugeot needed to be taken to hospital.
Both vehicles have been taken by police for further examination.
Crofton Lane and Towncourt Lane were closed until 9.24pm yesterday.
Anyone who witnessed the incident should call the Met police's collision investigation unit on 020 8285 1574 or if you wish to remain anonymous, call Crimestoppers on 0800 555 111.
2:15pm Friday 28th March 2008
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CommentPosted by: Jade, N/Fleet on 11:26am Fri 28 Mar 08
Why are you people so quick to judge and condemn? It has not yet been established whether her driving was dangerous! The mere mention of a pensioner and the hate brigade jump on there high horses and start hurling derogatory, ageist remarks! IF the woman is indeed guilty of dangerous driving I am sure she will be quickly prosecuted, and aside from that she will have to deal with the terrible guilt. If she isn't guilty I am sure you would all be sympathising with her too, especially in view that she has sustained injuries as a result of this horrific crash. Remember this was a tragic ACCIDENT not intentional. My condolences to the family and loved ones of the man who lost his life and all those who were caught up in this very tragic accident. R.I.P.
Why are you people so quick to judge and condemn? It has not yet been established whether her driving was dangerous! The mere mention of a pensioner and the hate brigade jump on there high horses and start hurling derogatory, ageist remarks! IF the woman is indeed guilty of dangerous driving I am sure she will be quickly prosecuted, and aside from that she will have to deal with the terrible guilt. If she isn't guilty I am sure you would all be sympathising with her too, especially in view that she has sustained injuries as a result of this horrific crash. Remember this was a tragic ACCIDENT not intentional. My condolences to the family and loved ones of the man who lost his life and all those who were caught up in this very tragic accident. R.I.P.
Posted by: Worried!, Work on 11:27am Fri 28 Mar 08
One of my neighbours can't see well at all! We dodge him if we can! I have been told that he was recently made to take an eye test and failed and had his licence revoked! He is still driving! I spoke to the local policve who said they would subtly speak to him and he is still driving!! He also delivers prescriptions for the local chemist so he is on the roads more regularly. This is an accident waiting to happen but officials are not investigating. All over 60s should have regular sight tests. I drive and I have an annual eye test as I have a health condition but I would not drive if I was not safe.
One of my neighbours can't see well at all! We dodge him if we can! I have been told that he was recently made to take an eye test and failed and had his licence revoked! He is still driving! I spoke to the local policve who said they would subtly speak to him and he is still driving!! He also delivers prescriptions for the local chemist so he is on the roads more regularly. This is an accident waiting to happen but officials are not investigating. All over 60s should have regular sight tests. I drive and I have an annual eye test as I have a health condition but I would not drive if I was not safe.
Posted by: Jade, N/Fleet on 11:37am Fri 28 Mar 08
I agree with you, 'Worried'. I think a test should be devised that is a general check up on your fitness and ability to drive not just for over 60's but over 40's perhaps. Eyesight generally starts to deteriorate from around the 40 age mark I believe. With the regular addition of new road signs and rules a standard test should be applied to all road-users after a set number of years or if not a test then some sort of mini course just to ensure that drivers are kept up to date and have the necessary ability to drive.
I agree with you, 'Worried'. I think a test should be devised that is a general check up on your fitness and ability to drive not just for over 60's but over 40's perhaps. Eyesight generally starts to deteriorate from around the 40 age mark I believe. With the regular addition of new road signs and rules a standard test should be applied to all road-users after a set number of years or if not a test then some sort of mini course just to ensure that drivers are kept up to date and have the necessary ability to drive.
Posted by: alison, greenhithe on 11:41am Fri 28 Mar 08
First of all, my condolences to the family and all those people who witnessed this dreadful accident, especially the emergency services. I believe that the Government should look very seriously at the driving standards in this country. The age of driving should be 21 - 65 years, (would reduced the number of vehicles on the road) and punishment for dangerous driving should be higher and more consistent. If the age limit is not changed, the dangers associated with driving should be taught in schools and over 70 year should be tested and closely monitored.
First of all, my condolences to the family and all those people who witnessed this dreadful accident, especially the emergency services. I believe that the Government should look very seriously at the driving standards in this country. The age of driving should be 21 - 65 years, (would reduced the number of vehicles on the road) and punishment for dangerous driving should be higher and more consistent. If the age limit is not changed, the dangers associated with driving should be taught in schools and over 70 year should be tested and closely monitored.
Posted by: Jade, N/Fleet on 11:48am Fri 28 Mar 08
MARC P, we have the same problem near where I live. Despite zig zag lines and signs parents still park all along the pavement almost right up to the lollypop lady. It is always a mission driving past the schools, you need more eyes then two to negotiate the hazards!
MARC P, we have the same problem near where I live. Despite zig zag lines and signs parents still park all along the pavement almost right up to the lollypop lady. It is always a mission driving past the schools, you need more eyes then two to negotiate the hazards!
Posted by: Paul, crofton on 11:50am Fri 28 Mar 08
jade,
people are angry, bewildered, upset but throwing more mud around is not helpful. the police are and will do thier job. He was a fine man, whom i for one, am pleased to have known. his family need support right now. she is still alive, he isnt.
jade,
people are angry, bewildered, upset but throwing more mud around is not helpful. the police are and will do thier job. He was a fine man, whom i for one, am pleased to have known. his family need support right now. she is still alive, he isnt.
Posted by: Dave, bexley on 11:53am Fri 28 Mar 08
As people get older, it is not just their eye sight that is an issue. Their hand eye co-ordination worsens, their relexes, judgement etc. All drivers over 55 shoud have to sit a medical ie eye test, reflexes etc every 5 years and on passing this then there licence should be renewed.
I dont think I have ever seen a pensioner speed, most of the old ones say 70+ do 20 mph even on the motorway.
Such a tragic loss for this poor mans family, my sincere condolenses to you all
As people get older, it is not just their eye sight that is an issue. Their hand eye co-ordination worsens, their relexes, judgement etc. All drivers over 55 shoud have to sit a medical ie eye test, reflexes etc every 5 years and on passing this then there licence should be renewed.
I dont think I have ever seen a pensioner speed, most of the old ones say 70+ do 20 mph even on the motorway.
Such a tragic loss for this poor mans family, my sincere condolenses to you all
Posted by: Declan Beal - Friend, orpington on 11:53am Fri 28 Mar 08
Adam and James - thinking of you and your family at this time.
Adam and James - thinking of you and your family at this time.
Posted by: Charlie, Bromley on 12:01pm Fri 28 Mar 08
[quote][bold]Dave[/bold] wrote:
As people get older, it is not just their eye sight that is an issue. Their hand eye co-ordination worsens, their relexes, judgement etc. All drivers over 55 shoud have to sit a medical ie eye test, reflexes etc every 5 years and on passing this then there licence should be renewed.
I dont think I have ever seen a pensioner speed, most of the old ones say 70+ do 20 mph even on the motorway.
Such a tragic loss for this poor mans family, my sincere condolenses to you all [/quote] I think ALL drivers should be forced to have an eye exam every 5 years. I've seen people who have bad eye sight driving in their 20's.
Eveyone is slaging off the elederly here - but its still the under 25s that cause MOST accidents on the road.
Dave wrote:
As people get older, it is not just their eye sight that is an issue. Their hand eye co-ordination worsens, their relexes, judgement etc. All drivers over 55 shoud have to sit a medical ie eye test, reflexes etc every 5 years and on passing this then there licence should be renewed.
I dont think I have ever seen a pensioner speed, most of the old ones say 70+ do 20 mph even on the motorway.
Such a tragic loss for this poor mans family, my sincere condolenses to you all
I think ALL drivers should be forced to have an eye exam every 5 years. I've seen people who have bad eye sight driving in their 20's.
Eveyone is slaging off the elederly here - but its still the under 25s that cause MOST accidents on the road.
Posted by: Lizzielooloo on 12:17pm Fri 28 Mar 08
If you read the other story about this accident, one of the first comments states that the reason the lady mounted the pavement was because her windscreen shattered, so it might be worth waiting for more information before passing judgement.
My thoughts and prayers are with the gentleman's family at this very sad time.
If you read the other story about this accident, one of the first comments states that the reason the lady mounted the pavement was because her windscreen shattered, so it might be worth waiting for more information before passing judgement.
My thoughts and prayers are with the gentleman's family at this very sad time.
Posted by: Jade, N/Fleet on 12:38pm Fri 28 Mar 08
[quote][bold]Paul[/bold] wrote:
jade, people are angry, bewildered, upset but throwing more mud around is not helpful. the police are and will do thier job. He was a fine man, whom i for one, am pleased to have known. his family need support right now. she is still alive, he isnt.[/quote] Of course people are upset! Who is throwing mud around? Do you mean my comment on poor parking around schools by parents, (it may possibly be a factor to the accident in question), or the suggestions on testing for driving ability? I am sure the victim was a fine man and I have already expressed my sympathies. It is very obvious to me that he has died, I am not an idiot! She is alive and she MAY be innocent in all this, we do not know yet do we?
Paul wrote:
jade, people are angry, bewildered, upset but throwing more mud around is not helpful. the police are and will do thier job. He was a fine man, whom i for one, am pleased to have known. his family need support right now. she is still alive, he isnt.
Of course people are upset! Who is throwing mud around? Do you mean my comment on poor parking around schools by parents, (it may possibly be a factor to the accident in question), or the suggestions on testing for driving ability? I am sure the victim was a fine man and I have already expressed my sympathies. It is very obvious to me that he has died, I am not an idiot! She is alive and she MAY be innocent in all this, we do not know yet do we?
Posted by: Jade, N/Fleet on 12:45pm Fri 28 Mar 08
I think ALL drivers should be forced to have an eye exam every 5 years. I've seen people who have bad eye sight driving in their 20's.
[bold]Charlie from Bromley wrote:[[/bold] italic]Eveyone is slaging off the elederly here - but its still the under 25s that cause MOST accidents on the road.[/italic]
Which is why a regular driving test should be applied for road users or a short course to update the drivers every few years.
I think ALL drivers should be forced to have an eye exam every 5 years. I've seen people who have bad eye sight driving in their 20's.
Charlie from Bromley wrote:Eveyone is slaging off the elederly here - but its still the under 25s that cause MOST accidents on the road.
Which is why a regular driving test should be applied for road users or a short course to update the drivers every few years. Posted by: OSEM, Orpington on 12:49pm Fri 28 Mar 08
Sincere sympathies to the family of the victim!
This is a tragedy but until the police reveal the results of their enquiries none of us know all the facts.
Yes, age is a factor in driving but there are far more young people killed in motoring accidents than OAPs.
No doubt we'll now have an ironic outpouring of demands for action outside the school from parents many of whom add to the problems by parking there iconsiderately, dangerously and even llegally. When will these selfish hypocrites learn that their actions could all too easily have a similarly tragic result.
Sincere sympathies to the family of the victim!
This is a tragedy but until the police reveal the results of their enquiries none of us know all the facts.
Yes, age is a factor in driving but there are far more young people killed in motoring accidents than OAPs.
No doubt we'll now have an ironic outpouring of demands for action outside the school from parents many of whom add to the problems by parking there iconsiderately, dangerously and even llegally. When will these selfish hypocrites learn that their actions could all too easily have a similarly tragic result.
Posted by: Jade, N/Fleet on 12:50pm Fri 28 Mar 08
Whoops Sorry Meant to read:
Charlie from Bromley wrote: [italic]Eveyone is slaging off the elederly here - but its still the under 25s that cause MOST accidents on the road.[/italic]
Which is why a regular driving test should be applied for road users or a short course to update the drivers every few years.
Whoops Sorry Meant to read:
Charlie from Bromley wrote:
Eveyone is slaging off the elederly here - but its still the under 25s that cause MOST accidents on the road.
Which is why a regular driving test should be applied for road users or a short course to update the drivers every few years.
Posted by: Jade, N/Fleet on 12:57pm Fri 28 Mar 08
I have actually witness near-misses outside the school near me because of the inconsiderate parking. As I said before, when you are driving near schools you need more eyes than two to negotiate the hazards. The above news article doesnt mention speeding, it might be possible the woman was driving too slow, sometimes slow drivers cause accidents too.
I have actually witness near-misses outside the school near me because of the inconsiderate parking. As I said before, when you are driving near schools you need more eyes than two to negotiate the hazards. The above news article doesnt mention speeding, it might be possible the woman was driving too slow, sometimes slow drivers cause accidents too.
Posted by: paul, crofton on 1:18pm Fri 28 Mar 08
"the hate brigade jump on thier high horses and start hurling".....(MUD) You did not know him and yet you are sure he was a fine man - as it happens, he was! seems like you have backed yourself into a corner and are not gracious enough to do anything else than come out fighting. and to OSEM - there has been concern at both the schools and in the local community about the parking - however, with all of the cars parked, motorists normally have to slow down to a crawl. if one removes all of the cars (ideal) at the moment it will just speed up the average speed of the cars passing the school. we can only hope with the local elections due that those aspiring politicos will do something
"the hate brigade jump on thier high horses and start hurling".....(MUD) You did not know him and yet you are sure he was a fine man - as it happens, he was! seems like you have backed yourself into a corner and are not gracious enough to do anything else than come out fighting. and to OSEM - there has been concern at both the schools and in the local community about the parking - however, with all of the cars parked, motorists normally have to slow down to a crawl. if one removes all of the cars (ideal) at the moment it will just speed up the average speed of the cars passing the school. we can only hope with the local elections due that those aspiring politicos will do something
Posted by: MARC P, P WOOD on 1:18pm Fri 28 Mar 08
The parking outside Crofton school is frankly ridiculous. Parents would be up in arms if the crossing lady (June) was injured but they still park on the main road obscuring her view.
Proper action must be taken.
The school encourages the children to walk if possible but ultimately it's parents' decisions.
The parking outside Crofton school is frankly ridiculous. Parents would be up in arms if the crossing lady (June) was injured but they still park on the main road obscuring her view.
Proper action must be taken.
The school encourages the children to walk if possible but ultimately it's parents' decisions.
Posted by: Mother, Petts Wood on 1:29pm Fri 28 Mar 08
My thoughts are with the family at this very sad time. Unfortunately we see all too often people driving thrir vehicles recklessly, whether they are your or old. I frequently see a silver van on my way to work driving up petts wood road as though he was on Brands hatch race course. Why can people not realise thats its not the end of he world if we are a few minutes later reaching our destination, rather arrive late than dead or injured. Or if one of those people that are always late getting up or whatever, get yourself into a more organised state of mind and get up/ leave home a few minutes earlier.
My thoughts are with the family at this very sad time. Unfortunately we see all too often people driving thrir vehicles recklessly, whether they are your or old. I frequently see a silver van on my way to work driving up petts wood road as though he was on Brands hatch race course. Why can people not realise thats its not the end of he world if we are a few minutes later reaching our destination, rather arrive late than dead or injured. Or if one of those people that are always late getting up or whatever, get yourself into a more organised state of mind and get up/ leave home a few minutes earlier.
Posted by: --, Petts Wood on 1:33pm Fri 28 Mar 08
Marc, don't forget about Molly the crossing lady at the other end (near Jersey Drive), I've seen her nearly run down by drivers speeding though.
I walk my child to and from school each day, and it's a near death experiance most days. People speeding around the corner onto Shepperton, many times I've seen people nearly being hit.
Not to mention those people who park right on the corner so that no-one can see if there are cars coming, and the cars can't see if people are trying to cross.
Our hearts go out to the man's family, but it's hardly surprising that it's happened. . . it was bound to sooner or later.
Marc, don't forget about Molly the crossing lady at the other end (near Jersey Drive), I've seen her nearly run down by drivers speeding though.
I walk my child to and from school each day, and it's a near death experiance most days. People speeding around the corner onto Shepperton, many times I've seen people nearly being hit.
Not to mention those people who park right on the corner so that no-one can see if there are cars coming, and the cars can't see if people are trying to cross.
Our hearts go out to the man's family, but it's hardly surprising that it's happened. . . it was bound to sooner or later.
Posted by: karla, petts wood on 1:58pm Fri 28 Mar 08
I think that we should start a legal petition to get something done about the area in cuestion.
I think that we should start a legal petition to get something done about the area in cuestion.
Posted by: OSEM, Orpington on 2:29pm Fri 28 Mar 08
[quote][bold]paul[/bold] wrote:
\"the hate brigade jump on thier high horses and start hurling\".....(MUD) You did not know him and yet you are sure he was a fine man - as it happens, he was! seems like you have backed yourself into a corner and are not gracious enough to do anything else than come out fighting. and to OSEM - there has been concern at both the schools and in the local community about the parking - however, with all of the cars parked, motorists normally have to slow down to a crawl. if one removes all of the cars (ideal) at the moment it will just speed up the average speed of the cars passing the school. we can only hope with the local elections due that those aspiring politicos will do something [/quote] Paul you are correct about the effect parked cars have in slowing traffic but I don't think that effect would be significantly diminished if those parents who park illegally i.e. on the pavments, zigzags etc. right outside the school were stopped from doing so.
Sadly, the 20mph signs outside Perry Hall School don't have much effect. They remind those good drivers who are already being cautious but do nothing to stop the morons who speed recklessly whilst texting their mates etc.
I can't tell you how many times over the years I've heard parents outside that school moaning about the danger from all the traffic when they've just driven a two hundred yards to collect their own offspring and parked as close to the school as possible oblivious to the danger and inconvenience they've caused!
These people are often the first to cast blame when something awful like this happens. For them it's always someone else's fault though, they're never part of the problem!
The truth is that there are very few workable options for traffic calming measures on major routes like these. In the absence of strict police enforcement (which never happens) the only effective measures are physical ones such as sleeping policemen. These however are often disliked by the residents who suffer inconvenience and noise 24hrs a day. They're also a problem for the emergency services, particularly ambulances. In fact some years ago a very costly scheme of chicanes was trialled further up Crofton Road for some time and subsequently abandoned as being ineffective.
paul wrote:
\"the hate brigade jump on thier high horses and start hurling\".....(MUD) You did not know him and yet you are sure he was a fine man - as it happens, he was! seems like you have backed yourself into a corner and are not gracious enough to do anything else than come out fighting. and to OSEM - there has been concern at both the schools and in the local community about the parking - however, with all of the cars parked, motorists normally have to slow down to a crawl. if one removes all of the cars (ideal) at the moment it will just speed up the average speed of the cars passing the school. we can only hope with the local elections due that those aspiring politicos will do something
Paul you are correct about the effect parked cars have in slowing traffic but I don't think that effect would be significantly diminished if those parents who park illegally i.e. on the pavments, zigzags etc. right outside the school were stopped from doing so.
Sadly, the 20mph signs outside Perry Hall School don't have much effect. They remind those good drivers who are already being cautious but do nothing to stop the morons who speed recklessly whilst texting their mates etc.
I can't tell you how many times over the years I've heard parents outside that school moaning about the danger from all the traffic when they've just driven a two hundred yards to collect their own offspring and parked as close to the school as possible oblivious to the danger and inconvenience they've caused!
These people are often the first to cast blame when something awful like this happens. For them it's always someone else's fault though, they're never part of the problem!
The truth is that there are very few workable options for traffic calming measures on major routes like these. In the absence of strict police enforcement (which never happens) the only effective measures are physical ones such as sleeping policemen. These however are often disliked by the residents who suffer inconvenience and noise 24hrs a day. They're also a problem for the emergency services, particularly ambulances. In fact some years ago a very costly scheme of chicanes was trialled further up Crofton Road for some time and subsequently abandoned as being ineffective.
Posted by: Mike, Crofton on 3:45pm Fri 28 Mar 08
Just 24 Hours since the Trajic Crash, I have just been sat on a 208 ploughing through thr Traffic past the School. I fully agree that the vast majority of Parents are taking heed to the Parking Regulations, however, as ever, its the small minority that are Clogging up the system with Dangerous Parking.
Two Cars parked on the corner Opposite Junior School Enterance:
1. A David Ginola looking Try hard in a Blue BMW 330ci.
2. A lady in A Silver Grand Voyger, who I believe was being Remonstrated against by a passer by.
Please can the local Police put some kind of presence in the area during Term time. Either that or just take photo's of these idiots on your mobile. They tend to get the message of the error of their ways suddenly....
Just 24 Hours since the Trajic Crash, I have just been sat on a 208 ploughing through thr Traffic past the School. I fully agree that the vast majority of Parents are taking heed to the Parking Regulations, however, as ever, its the small minority that are Clogging up the system with Dangerous Parking.
Two Cars parked on the corner Opposite Junior School Enterance:
1. A David Ginola looking Try hard in a Blue BMW 330ci.
2. A lady in A Silver Grand Voyger, who I believe was being Remonstrated against by a passer by.
Please can the local Police put some kind of presence in the area during Term time. Either that or just take photo's of these idiots on your mobile. They tend to get the message of the error of their ways suddenly....
Posted by: A Crofton parent, petts wood on 3:51pm Fri 28 Mar 08
There was a terrible sadness at the school today. Everyone feels terrible for the Beveridge family and our hearts go out to them.
Speaking from experience, while crossing the road with Molly the lollypop lady last year, a man mounted the pavement and nearly hit us. He did stop and apologise and you could see the shock on his face. He couldn't explain what happened but I suspect speed was an issue.
Today, outside the school, despite the tragic events of yesterday, I still saw parents parked on the zigzags, yellow lines, and even on the pavement!! People never learn.
There was a terrible sadness at the school today. Everyone feels terrible for the Beveridge family and our hearts go out to them.
Speaking from experience, while crossing the road with Molly the lollypop lady last year, a man mounted the pavement and nearly hit us. He did stop and apologise and you could see the shock on his face. He couldn't explain what happened but I suspect speed was an issue.
Today, outside the school, despite the tragic events of yesterday, I still saw parents parked on the zigzags, yellow lines, and even on the pavement!! People never learn.
Posted by: ollie, Orpington on 4:07pm Fri 28 Mar 08
can all of u stop sayin he was a good man i dont think many of u know him im mates with his son and he goes 2 my skl and is in my year
can all of u stop sayin he was a good man i dont think many of u know him im mates with his son and he goes 2 my skl and is in my year
Posted by: Natasha, Crofton. on 4:25pm Fri 28 Mar 08
[bold]Jade you have too much to say ,you know nothing about it![/bold] We are freinds of the family ,and he was a lovely man.
to Julie ,Adam and James are thoughts are with youu. RIP
Jade you have too much to say ,you know nothing about it! We are freinds of the family ,and he was a lovely man.
to Julie ,Adam and James are thoughts are with youu. RIP
Posted by: Simone, Bromley on 4:32pm Fri 28 Mar 08
[quote][bold]Natasha[/bold] wrote:
[bold]Jade you have too much to say ,you know nothing about it![/bold] We are freinds of the family ,and he was a lovely man. to Julie ,Adam and James are thoughts are with youu. RIP[/quote] Natasha
People have the right to express their thoughts and opinions.
Thats why we are asked to view our comments. being rude is also a down fall of some people on here.
Natasha wrote:
Jade you have too much to say ,you know nothing about it! We are freinds of the family ,and he was a lovely man. to Julie ,Adam and James are thoughts are with youu. RIP
Natasha
People have the right to express their thoughts and opinions.
Thats why we are asked to view our comments. being rude is also a down fall of some people on here.
Posted by: Father of 2, petts wood on 4:43pm Fri 28 Mar 08
I regularly have to avoid being hit by old duffers on the road.They are the worst drivers by far.They have tunnel vision and do not see danger !!!
I regularly have to avoid being hit by old duffers on the road.They are the worst drivers by far.They have tunnel vision and do not see danger !!!
Posted by: Jack, Bromley on 4:57pm Fri 28 Mar 08
[quote][bold]Father of 2[/bold] wrote:
<b> I regularly have to avoid being hit by old duffers on the road.They are the worst drivers by far.They have tunnel vision and do not see danger !!! </b>[/quote] I can tell by your attitude that you are a perfect driver! One who can drive with a mobile in one hand. And you don't need a seatbelt on you you are perfect. Oh and speed limits are for everyone else, but not you - am I right?
Father of 2 wrote:
<b> I regularly have to avoid being hit by old duffers on the road.They are the worst drivers by far.They have tunnel vision and do not see danger !!! </b>
I can tell by your attitude that you are a perfect driver! One who can drive with a mobile in one hand. And you don't need a seatbelt on you you are perfect. Oh and speed limits are for everyone else, but not you - am I right?
Posted by: David, Petts Wood on 5:27pm Fri 28 Mar 08
If that had been 20 later that could have been one of the children
If that had been 20 later that could have been one of the children
Posted by: paul, crofton on 5:32pm Fri 28 Mar 08
dear Jade,
thankyou for your final comments - it does restore one's faith in human nature. like michael, i came past crofton at 15.00, there was a lady driving a black people carrier who had driven head on into a non existant space in front of somebodies drive, meanwhile the rest of us were expected to drive very dangerously to avoid her. meanwhile our thoughts and help are with you Julie, Adam and James for days weeks and the years to come.
dear Jade,
thankyou for your final comments - it does restore one's faith in human nature. like michael, i came past crofton at 15.00, there was a lady driving a black people carrier who had driven head on into a non existant space in front of somebodies drive, meanwhile the rest of us were expected to drive very dangerously to avoid her. meanwhile our thoughts and help are with you Julie, Adam and James for days weeks and the years to come.
Posted by: Louise, Bromley on 5:40pm Fri 28 Mar 08
So sorry adam
everyones here for you
x
So sorry adam
everyones here for you
x
Posted by: miss m, crofton on 6:07pm Fri 28 Mar 08
i feel that everyone is jumping straight in there before knowing all the facts? once the conclusion to this accident has been found then the safety measure be that of drivers.. the bend..the parking.. even that area of road having a proper crossing put there can be put forward. its very tragic and sad and feel so much for the family of this very much loved gentleman, but please give eveyone the benfit of the doubt to many stories are flying aroung to make any sense at this time!
i feel that everyone is jumping straight in there before knowing all the facts? once the conclusion to this accident has been found then the safety measure be that of drivers.. the bend..the parking.. even that area of road having a proper crossing put there can be put forward. its very tragic and sad and feel so much for the family of this very much loved gentleman, but please give eveyone the benfit of the doubt to many stories are flying aroung to make any sense at this time!
Posted by: Tina, Crofton on 6:24pm Fri 28 Mar 08
Those concerned about the parking outside Crofton might be interested to learn that the Council is currently considering putting double-yellow lines along Crofton Lane and adjoining roads. More patrols would also help. Nothing deters regular offenders like a nice steep fine. Selfish parkers - your days are limited!
Those concerned about the parking outside Crofton might be interested to learn that the Council is currently considering putting double-yellow lines along Crofton Lane and adjoining roads. More patrols would also help. Nothing deters regular offenders like a nice steep fine. Selfish parkers - your days are limited!
Posted by: MUM - Petts Wood, Petts Wood on 6:27pm Fri 28 Mar 08
I'm a Crofton Parent and have read all your comments with interest.
What we have to remember first and foremost is accidents happen!
Secondly, I want to say how well the Junior School staff handled a difficult situation, yes children are shocked, but they appeared calm and orderly while leaving the school yesterday.
We must now all wait to see the outcome of the police investigation and do whatever we can to support the late mans family.
I'm a Crofton Parent and have read all your comments with interest.
What we have to remember first and foremost is accidents happen!
Secondly, I want to say how well the Junior School staff handled a difficult situation, yes children are shocked, but they appeared calm and orderly while leaving the school yesterday.
We must now all wait to see the outcome of the police investigation and do whatever we can to support the late mans family.
Posted by: Becky, Orpington on 6:40pm Fri 28 Mar 08
i cant believe a man has died and all you people seem to be able to do is have a go at each other! have some respect. adam & family im so sorry we're all here for you xx
i cant believe a man has died and all you people seem to be able to do is have a go at each other! have some respect. adam & family im so sorry we're all here for you xx
Posted by: Mum, Orpington on 7:52pm Fri 28 Mar 08
My husband was driving along past just as two off-duty firefighters (one of whom he was at Training School with) were trying to save this poor man's life. They too will feel the burden of this tragedy. Our thoughts are with everyone involved.
My husband was driving along past just as two off-duty firefighters (one of whom he was at Training School with) were trying to save this poor man's life. They too will feel the burden of this tragedy. Our thoughts are with everyone involved.
Posted by: A Friend on 8:20pm Fri 28 Mar 08
Alan has been a great friend, a loving Husband and a wonderful father.
The world would benifit from more people like Alan.
Those that knew him would only have kind words and love for him and his family.
He will be sadly missed. He truely was a lovely man x x
Alan has been a great friend, a loving Husband and a wonderful father.
The world would benifit from more people like Alan.
Those that knew him would only have kind words and love for him and his family.
He will be sadly missed. He truely was a lovely man x x
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suspicion of an offence, nothing more at this stage. Thank you.
Posted by: Anita, a Crofton mum, Petts wood on 10:05pm Fri 28 Mar 08
What a sad event. Our thoughts and prayers go out to the family and all those involved.
I, too, would like to praise the staff at both Crofton schools for the professional way they dealt with the situation, at the end of the day when there would be a large movement of children.
As a mum who picks children up from the school, always parking in a side road, well away from the ends of the road, I am apalled at the parents who persistently park right ON the junctions at the end of Shepperton Road and Derwent Drive. TODAY I still saw parents parked ILLEGALLY in both roads and saw a resident of Derwent Drive remonstrate with a driver/parent in a large siver car for parking on the zigzags at the end of the foorpath. The driver seemed to find it rather amusing. Would he feel the same if similar behaviour resulted in an accident to his child?
What a sad event. Our thoughts and prayers go out to the family and all those involved.
I, too, would like to praise the staff at both Crofton schools for the professional way they dealt with the situation, at the end of the day when there would be a large movement of children.
As a mum who picks children up from the school, always parking in a side road, well away from the ends of the road, I am apalled at the parents who persistently park right ON the junctions at the end of Shepperton Road and Derwent Drive. TODAY I still saw parents parked ILLEGALLY in both roads and saw a resident of Derwent Drive remonstrate with a driver/parent in a large siver car for parking on the zigzags at the end of the foorpath. The driver seemed to find it rather amusing. Would he feel the same if similar behaviour resulted in an accident to his child?
Posted by: A Crofton Parent, Petts Wood on 11:47pm Fri 28 Mar 08
A very sad day yesterday and my heart goes out the the family of the man who tragically lost his life. The school deal with the matter with great sensitivity for the children leaving the school grounds. Parents still however are double parking and parking right on the corner of the side road oposite where no one can see to cross the road in safety, let alone any cars being able to see children crossing. Parents are more concerned with not having to walk too far to collect their children rather than the safety of others. These people should be named and shamed for putting others at risk due to their irresponsible parking. We don't want it to be one of our children next time which it so easily could have been considering the time of the accident[bold]bold[/bold] .
A very sad day yesterday and my heart goes out the the family of the man who tragically lost his life. The school deal with the matter with great sensitivity for the children leaving the school grounds. Parents still however are double parking and parking right on the corner of the side road oposite where no one can see to cross the road in safety, let alone any cars being able to see children crossing. Parents are more concerned with not having to walk too far to collect their children rather than the safety of others. These people should be named and shamed for putting others at risk due to their irresponsible parking. We don't want it to be one of our children next time which it so easily could have been considering the time of the accident .
Posted by: donna, Petts Wood on 11:58pm Fri 28 Mar 08
A sad day. Sympathy to the family of this poor man. This must also have been awful for the woman who was driving the car. She has to live with what happened in this tragic accident. I realise we don't yet know what caused her to lose control of her vehicle, but its something she will never get over and we must give some thought for her. It may have indeed been something that was out of her control if it was her windscreen that smashed causing her to lose control.[bold]bold[/bold]
A sad day. Sympathy to the family of this poor man. This must also have been awful for the woman who was driving the car. She has to live with what happened in this tragic accident. I realise we don't yet know what caused her to lose control of her vehicle, but its something she will never get over and we must give some thought for her. It may have indeed been something that was out of her control if it was her windscreen that smashed causing her to lose control.
Posted by: A Crofton Parent, Orpington on 12:22am Sat 29 Mar 08
As a crofton Mum myself I find the school run a nightmare and if I could walk to the school I would but live quite a way from the school.
I do always make sure that I DO NOT park on the main road as it is just 2 dangerous with all the traffic and trying to get 3 children in the car and add to the conjestion, so I always get there just a little bit early and park in a side road even if I have to walk a bit to the school.
I did see part of the accident yesterday and it really shakes you up.
My deepest sympathy goes out to the family. The ambulance men did all they could and did a great job.
Parents please take note of the NO PARKING SIGNS that is what they are there for.
As a crofton Mum myself I find the school run a nightmare and if I could walk to the school I would but live quite a way from the school.
I do always make sure that I DO NOT park on the main road as it is just 2 dangerous with all the traffic and trying to get 3 children in the car and add to the conjestion, so I always get there just a little bit early and park in a side road even if I have to walk a bit to the school.
I did see part of the accident yesterday and it really shakes you up.
My deepest sympathy goes out to the family. The ambulance men did all they could and did a great job.
Parents please take note of the NO PARKING SIGNS that is what they are there for.
Posted by: L, Bromley on 12:27am Sat 29 Mar 08
An awful incident, my sympathies to all involved.
I drive down Shepperton Road twice a day (to and from work) and the parking can be dangerous to the point that I wonder if today will be the day someone is going to pull out of the side roads into the side of me.
Pulling out of Shepperton onto the main road is tough at the best of times but when you have to do it blind because you cant see past all the cars parked right on the corners, its just many times worse.
But this isnt something exclusive to parents arriving at Crofton School If you try driving along Oxhawth Crescent and getting onto Southborough Lane during the school rush hour you will understand what I mean.
An awful incident, my sympathies to all involved.
I drive down Shepperton Road twice a day (to and from work) and the parking can be dangerous to the point that I wonder if today will be the day someone is going to pull out of the side roads into the side of me.
Pulling out of Shepperton onto the main road is tough at the best of times but when you have to do it blind because you cant see past all the cars parked right on the corners, its just many times worse.
But this isnt something exclusive to parents arriving at Crofton School If you try driving along Oxhawth Crescent and getting onto Southborough Lane during the school rush hour you will understand what I mean.
Posted by: James and Alex, Orpington on 11:16am Sat 29 Mar 08
Adam-James and julie sorry for the tragic loss we pray that God will be with you in this time of need we be thinking of you and everyone from church and the BB.
Adam-James and julie sorry for the tragic loss we pray that God will be with you in this time of need we be thinking of you and everyone from church and the BB.
Posted by: Nemo, Petts Wood on 5:21pm Sat 29 Mar 08
Bring on the double yellow lines! It's not just the school run brigade cluttering up our roads. A lot of Petts Wood residential roads are choked in the week by commuters who can't be bothered to walk to the station or get the bus there.
Bring on the double yellow lines! It's not just the school run brigade cluttering up our roads. A lot of Petts Wood residential roads are choked in the week by commuters who can't be bothered to walk to the station or get the bus there.
Posted by: Gurty, Orpington on 6:29pm Sat 29 Mar 08
You people should be ashamed of yourselves. An innocent man has died and all you can do is have a go at one another. It is nobodies fault that this tragic thing has happened and nobody is to blame. So there is no need to argue about this terrible accident. Have some respect.
Adam, James and Julie - everyone at Darrick Wood sends their love. xx
You people should be ashamed of yourselves. An innocent man has died and all you can do is have a go at one another. It is nobodies fault that this tragic thing has happened and nobody is to blame. So there is no need to argue about this terrible accident. Have some respect.
Adam, James and Julie - everyone at Darrick Wood sends their love. xx
Posted by: Reader, Kent on 1:08pm Sun 30 Mar 08
[italic]italic[/italic] I recon that when old people hit a certain age they should not have their Licences taken awat but retested as times have changed so much from there days when they was just handed driving Licences, and cars are not how they use to be and are alot more advanced and faster than the cars these old people are use to. anyway this is besides the point at this point in time.
I find it extremly sad that 2 kids have lost there dad so i wish them and his family all the luck in the world. no one can ever replace a dad a husband or a son. And i hope the woman is back to top health very soon.
I recon that when old people hit a certain age they should not have their Licences taken awat but retested as times have changed so much from there days when they was just handed driving Licences, and cars are not how they use to be and are alot more advanced and faster than the cars these old people are use to. anyway this is besides the point at this point in time.
I find it extremly sad that 2 kids have lost there dad so i wish them and his family all the luck in the world. no one can ever replace a dad a husband or a son. And i hope the woman is back to top health very soon.
Posted by: Driver, pettswood on 1:30pm Sun 30 Mar 08
[quote][bold]Jade[/bold] wrote:
Why are you people so quick to judge and condemn? It has not yet been established whether her driving was dangerous! The mere mention of a pensioner and the hate brigade jump on there high horses and start hurling derogatory, ageist remarks! IF the woman is indeed guilty of dangerous driving I am sure she will be quickly prosecuted, and aside from that she will have to deal with the terrible guilt. If she isn\'t guilty I am sure you would all be sympathising with her too, especially in view that she has sustained injuries as a result of this horrific crash. Remember this was a tragic ACCIDENT not intentional. My condolences to the family and loved ones of the man who lost his life and all those who were caught up in this very tragic accident. R.I.P.[/quote] I don't subscribe to the use of 'accident' necessarily - generally things happen as a result of a conscious decision. Different from deliberate or pre-meditated. But road deaths are very rarely a true 'accident'. Responsibility lies with all road users to consider the potential impact of their actions before they act.
Jade wrote:
Why are you people so quick to judge and condemn? It has not yet been established whether her driving was dangerous! The mere mention of a pensioner and the hate brigade jump on there high horses and start hurling derogatory, ageist remarks! IF the woman is indeed guilty of dangerous driving I am sure she will be quickly prosecuted, and aside from that she will have to deal with the terrible guilt. If she isn\'t guilty I am sure you would all be sympathising with her too, especially in view that she has sustained injuries as a result of this horrific crash. Remember this was a tragic ACCIDENT not intentional. My condolences to the family and loved ones of the man who lost his life and all those who were caught up in this very tragic accident. R.I.P.
I don't subscribe to the use of 'accident' necessarily - generally things happen as a result of a conscious decision. Different from deliberate or pre-meditated. But road deaths are very rarely a true 'accident'. Responsibility lies with all road users to consider the potential impact of their actions before they act.
Posted by: Kay, Kent on 3:31pm Sun 30 Mar 08
I disagree with 'Driver' from Pettswood. An accident is something happening without deliberate intention. However i do agree that road accidents are OFTEN caused by a persons negligence, which then I guess is a grey area, an avoidable accident. I hope whatever the cause of this particular tragedy the family and friends will be able to come to terms with the results of the cause. My heart goes out to them, I am sure they are in a great deal of pain and grief right now.
I disagree with 'Driver' from Pettswood. An accident is something happening without deliberate intention. However i do agree that road accidents are OFTEN caused by a persons negligence, which then I guess is a grey area, an avoidable accident. I hope whatever the cause of this particular tragedy the family and friends will be able to come to terms with the results of the cause. My heart goes out to them, I am sure they are in a great deal of pain and grief right now.
Posted by: ? on 5:53pm Sun 30 Mar 08
[quote][bold]Gurty[/bold] wrote:
You people should be ashamed of yourselves. An innocent man has died and all you can do is have a go at one another. It is nobodies fault that this tragic thing has happened and nobody is to blame. So there is no need to argue about this terrible accident. Have some respect. Adam, James and Julie - everyone at Darrick Wood sends their love. xx[/quote] What the hell are you on about it's no bodies fault! Have you not heard what happened!
Gurty wrote:
You people should be ashamed of yourselves. An innocent man has died and all you can do is have a go at one another. It is nobodies fault that this tragic thing has happened and nobody is to blame. So there is no need to argue about this terrible accident. Have some respect. Adam, James and Julie - everyone at Darrick Wood sends their love. xx
What the hell are you on about it's no bodies fault! Have you not heard what happened!
Posted by: anon, crofton on 9:12pm Sun 30 Mar 08
firstly i would like to offer my condolences to the families of all the parties involved. As one of the first people on the scene i still arrived to late to actually see what happened, only to see a people doing cpr on the injured man.its easy to blame the lady because its been reported that she was 72 and speeding and if that was the case then she will be dealt with, butthe school has always been a problem area for cars and some parents are irresponsible but not all of us. and not every one over thew age of 60 need to take eye tests as some drive better than most youngsters
firstly i would like to offer my condolences to the families of all the parties involved. As one of the first people on the scene i still arrived to late to actually see what happened, only to see a people doing cpr on the injured man.its easy to blame the lady because its been reported that she was 72 and speeding and if that was the case then she will be dealt with, butthe school has always been a problem area for cars and some parents are irresponsible but not all of us. and not every one over thew age of 60 need to take eye tests as some drive better than most youngsters
Posted by: Ollies, Orpington on 10:40pm Sun 30 Mar 08
My sympathy is with the family. Such a tragedy. I take my 3 children to this school, I admitt it is a nightmare to cross the road in the mornings. After I have dropped the children off i am often jumping out of the way of cars which park on the zig zags, even if there are people crossing. i honestly dont think some people look. Something has to be done, soon. More accidents are going to happen. I live almost 3 miles from the school, my children were very lucky to get in, but i have consideration for others and i do not park illegally. In fact i am amazed at some of the places people park, On the grass verge, zig zags, in front of the gates etc.
My sympathy is with the family. Such a tragedy. I take my 3 children to this school, I admitt it is a nightmare to cross the road in the mornings. After I have dropped the children off i am often jumping out of the way of cars which park on the zig zags, even if there are people crossing. i honestly dont think some people look. Something has to be done, soon. More accidents are going to happen. I live almost 3 miles from the school, my children were very lucky to get in, but i have consideration for others and i do not park illegally. In fact i am amazed at some of the places people park, On the grass verge, zig zags, in front of the gates etc.
Posted by: sam, orpington on 9:35am Mon 31 Mar 08
if she was on the pavement surely thats dangerous driving?
if she was on the pavement surely thats dangerous driving?
Posted by: Dean, Beckenham on 10:21am Mon 31 Mar 08
[quote][bold]sam[/bold] wrote:
if she was on the pavement surely thats dangerous driving?[/quote] I had to mount the pavement once,went into a wall three years ago, because some idiot decided to overtake on a narrow incline and so both lanes had oncoming traffic, I had absolutely no option but to mount the pavement to avoid colliding with the cars. Fortunately it was a quiet stretch and there were no pedestrians, however myself, girlfriend and the other innocent driver ended up in hospital. The culprit who caused the accident didn't even stop and got clean away! Fortunately we all had NO lasting injuries of what looked like a fatal collision, the cars were both written off! I don't know why the woman mounted the pavement, I read an earlier comment that her windscreen broke and she lost control, but I don't know if that is a fact. My sympathies to the family and friends who have lost a loved one.
sam wrote:
if she was on the pavement surely thats dangerous driving?
I had to mount the pavement once,went into a wall three years ago, because some idiot decided to overtake on a narrow incline and so both lanes had oncoming traffic, I had absolutely no option but to mount the pavement to avoid colliding with the cars. Fortunately it was a quiet stretch and there were no pedestrians, however myself, girlfriend and the other innocent driver ended up in hospital. The culprit who caused the accident didn't even stop and got clean away! Fortunately we all had NO lasting injuries of what looked like a fatal collision, the cars were both written off! I don't know why the woman mounted the pavement, I read an earlier comment that her windscreen broke and she lost control, but I don't know if that is a fact. My sympathies to the family and friends who have lost a loved one.
Posted by: Worried, Petts Wood on 4:44pm Mon 31 Mar 08
Firstly my sympathies go to the family of the man who tragically lost his life in what appears to be an accident!!but still being investigated.
I am not an OAP but reading the comments about older drivers and eye tests etc - more attention should be focused at the younger drivers who are either plugged into there music systems so loud they could not possibly concentrate 100% on road conditions and they speed around with total disregard to speed limits. Also mothers dropping children off to school, they park all over the place including zig-zag and on yellow lines.
Not all older drivers have eye problems - what is the ratio of older drivers involved in accidents compared to young drivers?
Firstly my sympathies go to the family of the man who tragically lost his life in what appears to be an accident!!but still being investigated.
I am not an OAP but reading the comments about older drivers and eye tests etc - more attention should be focused at the younger drivers who are either plugged into there music systems so loud they could not possibly concentrate 100% on road conditions and they speed around with total disregard to speed limits. Also mothers dropping children off to school, they park all over the place including zig-zag and on yellow lines.
Not all older drivers have eye problems - what is the ratio of older drivers involved in accidents compared to young drivers?
Posted by: local, local on 11:07pm Thu 3 Apr 08
Retest every 2 years after sixty i say!! why are people 70 plus being aloud to drive on the roads they either drive dangerously slow, cant see the other cars or road signs and normally cant even get there cars in the right gear!!
Retest every 2 years after sixty i say!! why are people 70 plus being aloud to drive on the roads they either drive dangerously slow, cant see the other cars or road signs and normally cant even get there cars in the right gear!!
Posted by: driver, petts wood on 3:11pm Sun 6 Apr 08
[quote][bold]Kay[/bold] wrote:
I disagree with \\\'Driver\\\' from Pettswood. An accident is something happening without deliberate intention. However i do agree that road accidents are OFTEN caused by a persons negligence, which then I guess is a grey area, an avoidable accident. I hope whatever the cause of this particular tragedy the family and friends will be able to come to terms with the results of the cause. My heart goes out to them, I am sure they are in a great deal of pain and grief right now. [/quote] accident: 'anything that happens by chance without an apparent cause' - sweeping assumption, I admit, but I wouldn't mind betting there was some 'cause' - not necessarily those involved. But agree with sentiment - tragic result.
Kay wrote:
I disagree with 'Driver' from Pettswood. An accident is something happening without deliberate intention. However i do agree that road accidents are OFTEN caused by a persons negligence, which then I guess is a grey area, an avoidable accident. I hope whatever the cause of this particular tragedy the family and friends will be able to come to terms with the results of the cause. My heart goes out to them, I am sure they are in a great deal of pain and grief right now.
accident: 'anything that happens by chance without an apparent cause' - sweeping assumption, I admit, but I wouldn't mind betting there was some 'cause' - not necessarily those involved. But agree with sentiment - tragic result.
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