this is racist yes they should get permission they aint come here asking for houses whats wrong with gypsies you wouldnt get cleaner than them what ever scum bag distrabuted these pamphlets should try signing there name at the bottom of them and go get a life in the real world

jennie rye wrote:
this is racist yes they should get permission they aint come here asking for houses whats wrong with gypsies you wouldnt get cleaner than them what ever scum bag distrabuted these pamphlets should try signing there name at the bottom of them and go get a life in the real world

well said Jennie! I'm not a traveller but ive got no objections whatsoever to them buying a piece of land and being able to live on it,and as you said they wont be asking for houses and I dont blame them, who wants to live near the mindless morons that distribute leaflets to stir up trouble, these people should live and let live!

Hmmm. Glad I don't live near Park Lane.

The distributors of these leaflets are clearly bigoted against travellers, which is quite unacceptable. However it's not without cause. There were recently a group of travellers camped out near the Hewitts Farm roundabout who have since been moved on. They left the place in an absolute state - sewage, rubbish and a whole caravan were left strewn about the place and what was once a patch of greenery is now churned up mud. So I'm afraid I can't agree with Jennie that 'you won't get cleaner'. They also caused similar damage to the field in Green St Green that they camped on, and an area of protected parkland in St Mary Cray both within the past few years. You do realise that the bill for the cleanup is paid for out of our council taxes which these travellers do not pay? That said, I agree that they do need somewhere to go - perhaps if they had somewhere permanent to live they may treat the place more respectfully, and of course pay rates like the other permanent residents of the borough.

They deserve to live in a place no matter wot they are human after all.. and as 4 john saying they leave disease behind them you want to look at the illegals not the travellers.. you should never judge people.. i say let them have the land

gypsies should be either offered land to buy or there should alternativly be sites made available.if not when we do **** and **** everywhere done moan about it

Normal Person wrote:
Hmmm. Glad I don't live near Park Lane.

I BET THE GYPSIE FAMILY ARE GLAD YOU DONT LIVE NEAR PARK LANE THEY DONT WANT NEIBOURS LIKE YOU

Why is it most people always tar gypsy's along side traverlars? they have nothing in common. If anyone has ever been inside a gypsy's home you will see that they are proberly cleaner than most people that own houses. But traverlers are a different thing. I wisu that people would get some sort of education about things before they start to put people down.

WHY AVE THE GOUVERMENT LET ROMAINIAN GYPSIES COME INTO OUR COUNTRY THEY AVENT PAYED ANYTHING TOWARDS OUR COUNTRY JUST TAKE ALOOK AROUND I AN NOT RACIST BUT THINK BEFORE YOU COMMENT ENGISH GYPSIES ARE ONLY THE SAME AS PEOPLE WHO LIVE IN HOUSES BUT MOST OF THEM A THOUSAND TIMES CLEANER

REMEMBER ONE THING TOO MANY PEOPLE TRY AND BE GYPSIES THATS HALF OF THE PROBLEM TOO MANY WANNABES

DONT JUDGE A BOOK BY ITS COVER I HAD 2 GYPSIE MEN DO MY GARDEN AND I CAN ASSURE YOU THEY WORKED REALLY HARD FOR THERE DAYS PAY AND DID NOT SCAM ME I WAS MORE THAN PLEASED WITH THE WORK DONE DO NOT BE THE JUDGE OF OTHER PEOPLE BECAUSE GOD WILL JUDGS YOU ONE DAY

I READ WITH AMAZEMENT TRY LIVING THE LIFE THESE GYPSIES HAVE LIVED THEY WERE OUT WORKING FROM KNEE HIGH IN THE FIELDS THEY HAVE PAID THERE WAY BY DOING THE WORK ALL YOU DOGOODERS DID NOT WANT TO DO GIVE THEM THE LAND WHY SHOULD THEY HAVE TO PAY FOR IT LET THEM PAY RENT WHY DONT EVERYONE JUST LEAVE THEM ALONE TO GET ON WITH THERE LIVES IT IS THERE TRADITION

How interesting to read the usual get out excuse that its us " gorgers" that dump up Star lane....get a life for crying out loud, even the fire brigade and ambulance service need a police escort to go to this road. So what chance would a normal man have then ? He would be chased of in no time. How would he have the chance to " dump his rubbish ". Try taking a look at the site at the bottom of Poll hill just before the motorway bridge on the way to Dunton Green/Otford villages...last time I was there , they was stealing the electricity from the neighbouring lamp posts. Even though it is provided for them like it is every one else. But where every one else pays for what they use, these individuals just take it. The place looks like war torn Iraq with dumped cars, washing machines, building rubble and of course its very own rotting pile of garden waste, so no giving them there own space does not make them any better at looking after their surroundings, they simply have no respect for other people or their property.Is it purly coincedance that when a new group of travellers arrive in town the crime rate soars ? Or is it because us law breaking gaugers just see it as a good chance to commit some crime and let the gypsies take the blame ? Think we all know the answer to that one...as for they do the jobs we dont want to ????? Who wants to con oaps out of their life savings just to have some new guttering badly installed or a driveway laid that wont last a single year ??? You really think they still go crop picking lol, and the money they are paid, how much income tax do you think they pay ? Check their vehicles, half are stolen and rung over all are untaxed and uninsured...but that said even murderers have rights, and they have the right to chose to live how they want without some bigot acting like a coward and distributing leaflets in such a underhanded cowardly way. But would you want them living next door to you........From experiance I can tell you, you wouldnt, they make your life a living hell.

PROPER GYPSIES - THE ROMANY IS NOT THE PROBLEM - THE DISICOY IRISH TRAVELLER IS - PAT SMC - STAR LANE IS A GHETTO - ME HERE IS SPOT ON WITH THE COMMENTS.

IT WAS ONLY LAST YEAR THAT THE TRAVELLERS TIED UP SOME DEAD HORSES TO LAMPOSTS DOWN THERE. THESE PEOPLE ARE NOT AN ETHNIC MINORITY AS PROPER ROMANIES ARE - THEY ARE UNEMPLOYED NON TAX PAYING SCROUNBGERS WHO CHOOSE THIS LIFE AND LEAVE A TRAIL OF RUBBISH IN THEIR WAKE.

THEY THINK THEY ARE ABOVE THE LAW. THEY SHOULD HAVE THEIR NEW CARS IMPOUNDED BY POLICE TO PAY FOR ALL THE CLEAN UP AFTER THEY HAVE GONE.

MOST DONT WANT TO LIVE ON A FIXED SITE SIMPLY BECAUSE IT WOULD MEAN THE POLICE COULD TRACE THEM (AND THE INLAND REVENUE) MOVING FROM PLACE TO PLACE ALLOWS THEM TO DISAPPEAR OF THE RADAR.

jennie rye wrote:

Normal Person wrote: Hmmm. Glad I don't live near Park Lane.

I BET THE GYPSIE FAMILY ARE GLAD YOU DONT LIVE NEAR PARK LANE THEY DONT WANT NEIBOURS LIKE YOU

I am sure they are - but don't you mean 'neighbours'. My point stands - and you only strengthen it with your rantings

John wrote:
PROPER GYPSIES - THE ROMANY IS NOT THE PROBLEM - THE DISICOY IRISH TRAVELLER IS - PAT SMC - STAR LANE IS A GHETTO - ME HERE IS SPOT ON WITH THE COMMENTS.

IT WAS ONLY LAST YEAR THAT THE TRAVELLERS TIED UP SOME DEAD HORSES TO LAMPOSTS DOWN THERE. THESE PEOPLE ARE NOT AN ETHNIC MINORITY AS PROPER ROMANIES ARE - THEY ARE UNEMPLOYED NON TAX PAYING SCROUNBGERS WHO CHOOSE THIS LIFE AND LEAVE A TRAIL OF RUBBISH IN THEIR WAKE.

THEY THINK THEY ARE ABOVE THE LAW. THEY SHOULD HAVE THEIR NEW CARS IMPOUNDED BY POLICE TO PAY FOR ALL THE CLEAN UP AFTER THEY HAVE GONE.

MOST DONT WANT TO LIVE ON A FIXED SITE SIMPLY BECAUSE IT WOULD MEAN THE POLICE COULD TRACE THEM (AND THE INLAND REVENUE) MOVING FROM PLACE TO PLACE ALLOWS THEM TO DISAPPEAR OF THE RADAR.

Well said - how many contribute - they all drive new cars bought out of their illicit gains.

I do agree we are talking about the traveller scum & not proper gypsies. proper Gypsies are not a problem and are clean living responsable people. The Irish tinkers are the problem. They are a disgrace to the Irish of which I am one.

Sean McCauley wrote:

John wrote: PROPER GYPSIES - THE ROMANY IS NOT THE PROBLEM - THE DISICOY IRISH TRAVELLER IS - PAT SMC - STAR LANE IS A GHETTO - ME HERE IS SPOT ON WITH THE COMMENTS. IT WAS ONLY LAST YEAR THAT THE TRAVELLERS TIED UP SOME DEAD HORSES TO LAMPOSTS DOWN THERE. THESE PEOPLE ARE NOT AN ETHNIC MINORITY AS PROPER ROMANIES ARE - THEY ARE UNEMPLOYED NON TAX PAYING SCROUNBGERS WHO CHOOSE THIS LIFE AND LEAVE A TRAIL OF RUBBISH IN THEIR WAKE. THEY THINK THEY ARE ABOVE THE LAW. THEY SHOULD HAVE THEIR NEW CARS IMPOUNDED BY POLICE TO PAY FOR ALL THE CLEAN UP AFTER THEY HAVE GONE. MOST DONT WANT TO LIVE ON A FIXED SITE SIMPLY BECAUSE IT WOULD MEAN THE POLICE COULD TRACE THEM (AND THE INLAND REVENUE) MOVING FROM PLACE TO PLACE ALLOWS THEM TO DISAPPEAR OF THE RADAR.

Well said - how many contribute - they all drive new cars bought out of their illicit gains. I do agree we are talking about the traveller scum & not proper gypsies. proper Gypsies are not a problem and are clean living responsable people. The Irish tinkers are the problem. They are a disgrace to the Irish of which I am one.

what a load of rubbish again taring them all with the same brush i also know some irish gypsies who live on a site opposite da ja vu and they are spotless i think you all have one oppinion the wrong one there are good and bad in all walks of life as for star lane you tell me of one family that live like scum that rubbish dumped near the site is not theres its other peoples who just go there to dump those ones you all say earn an honest living

me wrote:
How interesting to read the usual get out excuse that its us " gorgers" that dump up Star lane....get a life for crying out loud, even the fire brigade and ambulance service need a police escort to go to this road. So what chance would a normal man have then ? He would be chased of in no time. How would he have the chance to " dump his rubbish ". Try taking a look at the site at the bottom of Poll hill just before the motorway bridge on the way to Dunton Green/Otford villages...last time I was there , they was stealing the electricity from the neighbouring lamp posts. Even though it is provided for them like it is every one else. But where every one else pays for what they use, these individuals just take it. The place looks like war torn Iraq with dumped cars, washing machines, building rubble and of course its very own rotting pile of garden waste, so no giving them there own space does not make them any better at looking after their surroundings, they simply have no respect for other people or their property.Is it purly coincedance that when a new group of travellers arrive in town the crime rate soars ? Or is it because us law breaking gaugers just see it as a good chance to commit some crime and let the gypsies take the blame ? Think we all know the answer to that one...as for they do the jobs we dont want to ????? Who wants to con oaps out of their life savings just to have some new guttering badly installed or a driveway laid that wont last a single year ??? You really think they still go crop picking lol, and the money they are paid, how much income tax do you think they pay ? Check their vehicles, half are stolen and rung over all are untaxed and uninsured...but that said even murderers have rights, and they have the right to chose to live how they want without some bigot acting like a coward and distributing leaflets in such a underhanded cowardly way. But would you want them living next door to you........From experiance I can tell you, you wouldnt, they make your life a living hell.

WHY I HAVE THEM LIVING NEXT TO ME MOST OF BIRCHWOOD ROAD IS OWNED BY GYPSIE FAMILYS AND AS FOR HAVING NO TAX ECT ON THERE CARS YOU ARE TALKING A LOAD OF RUBBISH YOU WOULD NOT KNOW THIS AND YES LIKE I SAID THEY LIVE ON MOST OF OUR DOORSTEPS AND WE HAVE NO PROBLEMS

You get good and bad in every walk of life. Its just a shame that the bad gypsys have ruined it for the good one's.
I know quite a few gypsys some good ,some bad and i have to say that the good ones i know are some of the most loyal and caring people iv ever met.
These gypsys might be good or they might be bad but before the phantom leaflet fool judges perhaps he should wait and see how they are. Im sure he wouldnt want to be judged and slaged off before given a chance!!!

I know quite a few travellers, gypsies etc - Some are good honest people, some are lowlife scum. Think we can apply that to every ethnic group in the world

John wrote:
Why is it most people always tar gypsy's along side traverlars? they have nothing in common. If anyone has ever been inside a gypsy's home you will see that they are proberly cleaner than most people that own houses. But traverlers are a different thing. I wisu that people would get some sort of education about things before they start to put people down.

no one cares how clean the inside of these peoples houses are , they can live in their own fieces if they really want. Its when they take their rubbish and inflict it on everyone else.

MOST OF THE GYPSIES THAT ARE CAUSING UPROAR ARE NOT REALLY GYPSIES THEY JUST WANT BE LIKE THEM I HAVE LIVED AROUND GYPSIES ALL MY LIFE I LIVE IN A HOUSE VERY CLOSE TO A GYPSY SITE AND HAVE NEVER HAD A PROBLEM WITH ANY OF THEM PLEASE BE CLEAR IN WHAT YOU ARE ALL SAYING TRUE GYPSIES WOULD NEVER WANT TO LIVE IN A HOUSE BUT IN THE PAST FEW YEARS HAVE HAD NO CHOICE BECAUSE OF ALL THE DOGOODERS THAT DONE THESE LEAFLETS

kate wrote:

John wrote: Why is it most people always tar gypsy's along side traverlars? they have nothing in common. If anyone has ever been inside a gypsy's home you will see that they are proberly cleaner than most people that own houses. But traverlers are a different thing. I wisu that people would get some sort of education about things before they start to put people down.

no one cares how clean the inside of these peoples houses are , they can live in their own fieces if they really want. Its when they take their rubbish and inflict it on everyone else.

THEY DONT LIVE IN HOUSES THEY LIVE IN CARAVANS OR MOBILES SWANLEY IS FULL OF RUBBISH WHO DONE ALL THAT THE GYPSIES NO IT WAS,NT GO ONTO A PROPER SITE AND YOU WONT FIND ANY RUBBISH THEY LIKE I SAID BEFORE ARE SPOTLESS COULD EAT OFF OF THERE FLOORS I SAY GIVE THEM PERMISSION FOR THE SITES LIVE AND LET LIVE THEY DONT INTEREFERE IN WHAT HOUSE OR PLANNING PERMISSION YOU ALL GET LET THEM GET ON WITH THERE LIVES

to be honest with you all, there is good and bad in all communities, but if you dont allow people to come in to the community then you will never know if they were good ones or bad ones.
there is a big difference between romany gypsies, irish travellers travelling showmen and the new age travellers,
everyone of these has a different way and culture, 3 of them are traditional, and one is from the setteled folk.
two of them are protected by the race relations act, and is the first time in my life i have heard a police officer sticking up for our people, in public and on t.v, so far thisar we have lost (killed) 10 young children in this country because they were gypsy or irish travellers but yet no news reports, our children get a regular beating at school, by more than one child and yet s our children that get excluded when they finally retaliate, and nothing more is done to those that bullied our children,again nothing got reported on the news or in a paper. 90% of gypsy and irish travellers planning applications get turned down at the council, and yet 10% of housing. once we are turned down we are put back on the road, where we are not wanted either, what can we do to make it right for you all. we do buy our own land if we can afford it, but the law states we can not buy in your towns, or to close to your villages, but then the law says we need to be so far near to shops and villages, which is why we head to the out skirts of most villages, as this is where government tells us to go, you must never judge people on what you hear, we are not god. and it is beleive it or not against the law to be racist towards us, even reading some of your veiws i see that their is predudice, and i bet not even you know why you feel this way towards gypsies and irish travellers. we are not all bad people, we just want a home to call home, children to get a good education, and to be welcomed as we would welcome you. and if we do wrong and affend you then please let us know.
i am still amazed sometimes by how hostile some settled folk can be, you take our way of life and make it ligal for yourselves as there is something like 2 million caravaners out there and yet it is still illegal for us ?????
even down to holiday homes in the country that all the caravaners go to, that have planning permission and yet we still spend thousands trying to get planning, as some would say well they land dose not cost as much as a house, i can honeslty say i think my bit of land now owes me more money than the largest house on my road, as i have had it for seven years, had planning permission 3 times been to 3 planning inspectorates, 3 high courts and every time i have needed a barrester that has cost me an arm and a leg, as there are not many out there that know about planning and gypsy status.

sorry for the book i have just written but though you might like to hear it from our point of view.

John wrote:
PROPER GYPSIES - THE ROMANY IS NOT THE PROBLEM - THE DISICOY IRISH TRAVELLER IS - PAT SMC - STAR LANE IS A GHETTO - ME HERE IS SPOT ON WITH THE COMMENTS. IT WAS ONLY LAST YEAR THAT THE TRAVELLERS TIED UP SOME DEAD HORSES TO LAMPOSTS DOWN THERE. THESE PEOPLE ARE NOT AN ETHNIC MINORITY AS PROPER ROMANIES ARE - THEY ARE UNEMPLOYED NON TAX PAYING SCROUNBGERS WHO CHOOSE THIS LIFE AND LEAVE A TRAIL OF RUBBISH IN THEIR WAKE. THEY THINK THEY ARE ABOVE THE LAW. THEY SHOULD HAVE THEIR NEW CARS IMPOUNDED BY POLICE TO PAY FOR ALL THE CLEAN UP AFTER THEY HAVE GONE. MOST DONT WANT TO LIVE ON A FIXED SITE SIMPLY BECAUSE IT WOULD MEAN THE POLICE COULD TRACE THEM (AND THE INLAND REVENUE) MOVING FROM PLACE TO PLACE ALLOWS THEM TO DISAPPEAR OF THE RADAR.

I see your'e spouting off on your soap box again John but what happened to the comments we both posted yesterday, I was going to show my daughter but they had vanished. Oh dear just when I started to enjoy myself!

Why do they need places to set up home?I thought travellers kept on moving,or is it move untill you can find a site that has all the local provisions that the rest of the comunity pays for via council tax?

Chinansk, lewisham.(and others)

You seem to be under the false mis conception that Gypsy/Travellers on local council sites/provision dont pay council tax or rent you are wrong.
The static legal sites are regulated and governed via the same laws/taxs as all communities. And as for Travellers not travelling as they did, a high percentage would love to still travel but due to all this above hatred and the fact that we are running out of land in this country if they do they are moved on constantly. And the ones that do keep the traditional life style they do try to keep moving until there is no place left to go but join the homeless list! or buy land and settle! ( of course then pay all taxes relevant to all) or may be some are lucky enough to find room on the static sites and settle. But there is a huge shortage of spaces per head on those sites so they carry on roaming looking for a living for their family. They in this case have no fixed abode so no rights to child benefit or any other benefit nor do they have automatic rights to health care education etc( so another point they are not paying in or taking out)Some have asked to hire skips to hold the waste they make while on the road side, (we all make waste from food etc) but without a fixed address they can not get a skip and with out a council pass they can not go to local landfill sites to dispose of their waste. catch 22.
It all seems so easy to get your views from low life tabloids and not read up on the facts before opening ones mouth. Its as in all life there is a a much bigger picture then being painted by the papers and people on here who instead of putting all their energy into hatred of other fellow human beings should use the energy and hatred in a positive manner and work out how we can work out a better way forward for all us human being on this earth.But in the mean time it would be good to deal with facts and statistics when getting in to these debates if we got the facts right and then gave a well informed oppinion/understandi

ng of the real issues we may have a chance to move forward and become a part of the work force trying to get all the negative issues mentioned & ironed out and a better life for us all. OR YOU COULD ALL JUST SIT THERE ENJOYING YOUR ILL INFORMED VIEWS!!! DONT TAR EVERY ONE WITH THE SAME BRUSH. ALL OF OUR COMMUNITYS HAVE GOOD AND BAD IN THEM. Thank you for your time and lets hope at least a few of you will think about becomming apart of our children's future and not part of the problem. And yes, that stands for all our communities.

Human race member,any mention of income tax or NI contributions in your little sermon?

Chinanski wrote:
Why do they need places to set up home?I thought travellers kept on moving,or is it move untill you can find a site that has all the local provisions that the rest of the comunity pays for via council tax?

Ok im not expecting you to be a person of integrity nor of the law, but please do at least have a look at the laws against Romany gypsies and Irish travellers before you decide or think you know what you are talking about.

1994 act dose not allow us to stop on roadsides anymore, so we can keep moving but can’t stop.
section 61 can more us immediately if we have more than 6 vehicles and is used a daily basis even if the police are not meant to use it section 77/78 is used by your local council to move us if we were to pull into your town, section 62 a/e allows the police to pull us out of the area and not allow us back fur 6 months.

We have finally found a law that protects us from racial comments and you want to go on about tax and insurance,
tell the rest of your sponging house gorger folk as 75%$ of ya are sat on your bums getting benefits that tax payers like us are paying for, all your um married mums as ours are all married, and the yobs that walk the street at night with their cans of beer terrorising the elderly that the gorgers never look after, and then people like you have the audacity to pretend you know what is going on, I do believe you have just come form a far away land and I would like to welcome you to earth, and the real world,
As for council tax I would be right in saying that the 75% of gorger that get benefit, we Romany gypsy and Irish tax payers are paying for that as well.
it is a piece of land that is what the government told us to buy but you would not know of that law either would you, and they are like all gorger entitled to but down a base as you all are,

and I do not send this to all you people on here that have been a great support to this racial incident, just you lot that think you are Hitler, And like to be a stereotypical exsample of gypsy and traveller haters.

NANCY wrote:
WHY AVE THE GOUVERMENT LET ROMAINIAN GYPSIES COME INTO OUR COUNTRY THEY AVENT PAYED ANYTHING TOWARDS OUR COUNTRY JUST TAKE ALOOK AROUND I AN NOT RACIST BUT THINK BEFORE YOU COMMENT ENGISH GYPSIES ARE ONLY THE SAME AS PEOPLE WHO LIVE IN HOUSES BUT MOST OF THEM A THOUSAND TIMES CLEANER

do you even know what a romainian gypsy is. shall i tell you it is a english gypsy so next time find out about what your saying before you commet!

Jennie Rye of Swanley is a wanna be traveller. One of you heroes try going onto Star Lane site to see what the crack is!!! I dare you, you will get thrown out there and then! How come a house has been built there without planning permission?? please answer... Poor old travelers, caravan too cold to apply for planning?? You answer the question planning department cause we are going to tje national press....

I'm of Irish and English roma(gypsy) ancestory we have owned the same land in rural Ireland for 170 years we are a bit darker and do have slightley differant features then Your avarage anglo saxon/celtic peoples and some of us do Live the Traveller life style most are settled and do not though.Some of My ancestors are Indigious To those Two islands others Immigrated there close to 200 years ago we Have every right to exist and recieve aid from the governmnet Like any other National who needs it.Did you know Ron Wood of the rolling stones is romonical-a English gypsy? Or the actor bob hoskins? or the author ray buckland?we are Not all refugees we have lived In the Uk for 500 years and we are certianley not all morons.

It is very clever what the travellers do, they move onto a bit of land, dump rubbish everywhere and make the place look a state, then ask if they can buy the land to put caravans on, knowing noone else would want the land after the way it had been left. Allow one to do it you set a president for others and wannabes and immigrants, our English fields will be ruined. I would also like to say if you have a valid point, it would be better received and respected if spelt properly.

Travellers Gypsies are **** priks.. they should be nuked and survivers slaughtered! They are no even close to being human cause there all animals! There scum... and I wouldn't let them kiss my shoes. To be honest the world WOULD be better without them. Just about every comment that follows after this will most probably have a go at me or say how "Pathetic" or "Racist" or whatever I am. But truely, I am not any of the above... I am just all AGAINST travellers for my own reasons. Thank You - J

i used to own a flat in north london and the house next door was rented out to travellers for about a year - they made the street a living hell. They had a mass of children and it appeared that the women were just permanently pregnant. Vehicles were often set on fire outside my house. Witnessing their domestic violence was horrendous. The wife was permanently bruised about the face even when pregnant and the husband would beat her up in the street with the kids around - the kids played as it went on. I worked part time in a pub in wood green. none of the pubs in the area let travellers in - this pub let one or two in and within minutes it must have got round - we ended up with about 80 travellers in the pub - as they were drinking the women became out of control with each other and this massive fight errupted - they totally smashed up this beautiful victorian pub - the bar staff had to hide in the back - i'd never seen anything like it... currently, there are travellers at my son's school and one of the parents have been attacked a travellr mother - i can't sympathise with these people - their culture is to fight and wreck and take what they can without any thought of others but themselves - and i don't care if bob hoskins or that one from the rolling stones are travellers/gypsies - i think travellers are scum - sorry