A POST-MORTEM found a murder victim suffered chest injuries after being shot.
Officers were called at 8.15pm to a flat in Milford Towers, Rushey Green, Catford, on Thursday after reports of shots being fired.
They found a man suffering from gunshot injuries.
He was pronounced dead at the scene.
The man has been formally identified as 24-year-old Warren Gray of Catford.
His next of kin have been informed.
The post-mortem was held on Saturday and revealed the cause of death as a gunshot wound to the chest.
Police say they believe the man was in a friend's flat between 3pm and 7pm before returning to his own flat.
At around 8pm, the victim returned to his friend's flat, pursued by two suspects.
Once inside the flat one of the suspects fired two shots through a door in the direction of the victim, fatally wounding him.
A firearam was later found discarded in a bin in nearby Wildfell Road.
Officers are keeping an open mind regarding the motive.
Neighbours have spoken of their shock at the murder.
One man, in his 50s, of Silvermere Road, said: "The residents are shocked. They need to do something about that block - the East Block.
"They are mugging old ladies coming home from church. It used to be quiet but now it's horrible."
One woman, who did not wish to be named, said: "We had a load of hoodies hanging around last night. My dog woke me up at quarter to 12. There were police everywhere down the road and hoodies were all outside my gate."
A 37-year-old woman, of Doggett Road, said: "There's always something going on here.
This place is getting worse and worse. The youngsters cause the problems here. If the Government doesn't do something things are going to get much worse."
An 18-year-old boy, of Nelgarde Road, said: "You see a lot of shady men hanging about. There's a lot of stuff that goes down.
"Obviously there's a lot of people doing stuff in that building that don't live in that building. Of couse you see a lot of police but not like now, not since that girl died."
An incident room has opened under Detective Inspector Geoff Whitehouse from Operation Trident.
He said: "We are particularly keen to hear from anyone who may have seen a group of four black males aged between 20 and 25 years some wearing hooded tops running from the Milford Towers area via Brookdale Road in the direction of Wildfell Road.
"They may have discarded a number of items en route.
"It is vital that anyone who may have come across anything or who has information contacts the Incident Room 020 82474553."
A 42-year-old man was arrested on Thursday in connection with the incident.
He has been bailed pending further inquries to return on July 5.
In September 2005 the remains of Rochelle Holness were found dumped in bin bags in a supermarket trolley near a stairwell leading to the estate.
John McGrady pleaded guilty to murder in April last year and was jailed for life.
The 48-year-old snatched Rochelle from a phone box near her home after she went out to call her boyfriend.
It is believed Rochelle was killed within hours of entering McGrady's home on the Milford Towers Estate.
Her remains were found three days later.
Her mother Jennifer Bennett said: "It's like I'm reliving my nightmare all over again.
"I came here to make sure it wasn't another child. I feel so sick to my stomach as it is reminding me of the sheer horror of my daughter's death.
"I was told the police would clean up this estate. I can't believe they have not put better security there. They should have police patrolling on the estate after my daughter.
"They didn't expect another murder to happen. But I knew in my gut something was going to happen. It makes me feel so angry. I'm fuming with the law."
12:01pm Sunday 6th May 2007
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CommentPosted by: paulette, catford on 4:31pm Sat 5 May 07
a year ago my niece rochelle was murdered on the estate and they said they will have tight saftey on the estate rubbish now another life has been taking once again what are the goverment going to do about whats going on i keepted on saying hope its not another child i fill so sad for these parents who loose there child in these circumstance they need to knock these flats down its an easy target to kill people with out them probley even getting cought only through dna if they dont do someting now about the estae there will be more killing on the estate what are them going to do wait for another murder again or what
rest in peace no harm can come to you
a year ago my niece rochelle was murdered on the estate and they said they will have tight saftey on the estate rubbish now another life has been taking once again what are the goverment going to do about whats going on i keepted on saying hope its not another child i fill so sad for these parents who loose there child in these circumstance they need to knock these flats down its an easy target to kill people with out them probley even getting cought only through dna if they dont do someting now about the estae there will be more killing on the estate what are them going to do wait for another murder again or what
rest in peace no harm can come to you
Posted by: Len, Late of Catford on 10:52am Sun 6 May 07
I lived and worked in Catford from the age of 2yrs until I was 46yrs. I no longer 'survive' there but chose to move on and 'live' somewhere else. In previous years I've known children with a gun and live ammunition to be firing at passing cars. My own wife was attacked with a knife outside Milford Towers and robbed (the police at the time suggested moving away being the best course of action). I can recall one incident which both amused and frightened me. Youths at the top of Milford Tower were hurling concrete slabs onto people below who were coming out of the car park towards Holbeach Road. A slab that would have either killed my wife or I if it had hit us landed at our feet. Fearing some other unfourtuate soul would not be so lucky I rang the police. They did respond an hour or so later. However, without bothering to get out of his police car the lone police officer explained he could do nothing as he was on his own. When a chunk of concrete landed on the roof of the police car he accelerated off down the road never to be seen again. All that could be heard was the laughter of the yobs above... and you wonder why crime in Catford is as bad as it is?
I lived and worked in Catford from the age of 2yrs until I was 46yrs. I no longer 'survive' there but chose to move on and 'live' somewhere else. In previous years I've known children with a gun and live ammunition to be firing at passing cars. My own wife was attacked with a knife outside Milford Towers and robbed (the police at the time suggested moving away being the best course of action). I can recall one incident which both amused and frightened me. Youths at the top of Milford Tower were hurling concrete slabs onto people below who were coming out of the car park towards Holbeach Road. A slab that would have either killed my wife or I if it had hit us landed at our feet. Fearing some other unfourtuate soul would not be so lucky I rang the police. They did respond an hour or so later. However, without bothering to get out of his police car the lone police officer explained he could do nothing as he was on his own. When a chunk of concrete landed on the roof of the police car he accelerated off down the road never to be seen again. All that could be heard was the laughter of the yobs above... and you wonder why crime in Catford is as bad as it is?
Posted by: John, Rushey Green Resident on 2:30pm Sun 6 May 07
I agree that the estate should be demolished. It is an eye sore and the level of crime is just ridiculous. How many more people will be killed before something is actually done? Please write to Jim Dowd MP and Steve Bullock calling on them to take action.
I agree that the estate should be demolished. It is an eye sore and the level of crime is just ridiculous. How many more people will be killed before something is actually done? Please write to Jim Dowd MP and Steve Bullock calling on them to take action.
Posted by: dave on 7:58pm Sun 6 May 07
[quote]estate should be demolished[/quote]
In time, the gangs will turn new housing estates into ghettos.
estate should be demolished
In time, the gangs will turn new housing estates into ghettos.
Posted by: paul, catford on 10:20pm Sun 6 May 07
I lived and grew up in the area and use to playing in the car park and i would never allow my kids out to play in there. I have seen milford towers go down hill over the years . Ive seen dealers selling weed and seen it progress to crack . I belive the towers need to be knock down as policing , or cameras will never stop what goes on up there, if this does not happen the police will be the next target.I really feel it for the parents friends and family of the now two victims. if in anyway you can help to lobby and get things change in milford towers please do before we have more deaths.
I lived and grew up in the area and use to playing in the car park and i would never allow my kids out to play in there. I have seen milford towers go down hill over the years . Ive seen dealers selling weed and seen it progress to crack . I belive the towers need to be knock down as policing , or cameras will never stop what goes on up there, if this does not happen the police will be the next target.I really feel it for the parents friends and family of the now two victims. if in anyway you can help to lobby and get things change in milford towers please do before we have more deaths.
Posted by: Tammy, Christchurch NZ - Ex Catford Lass on 8:55am Mon 7 May 07
I spent my teenage years in Nelgarde Road, using the phone boxes at Milford Towers.
I no longer live in Catford, in fact you couldn't get much further away.....I am bringing my children up in New Zealand.
My kids are not street wise at all and it will be interesting to see how they react when we come back later in the year for a few weeks.
I spent my teenage years in Nelgarde Road, using the phone boxes at Milford Towers.
I no longer live in Catford, in fact you couldn't get much further away.....I am bringing my children up in New Zealand.
My kids are not street wise at all and it will be interesting to see how they react when we come back later in the year for a few weeks.
Posted by: kate, lewisham on 1:11pm Mon 7 May 07
My kids go to Holbeach school in catford, so i pass Milford towers most days. I think its a horrible place and lewisham council should stop putting families into conditions like that. Why dont they make milford towers into a big council depot? and offices. It would bring a bit of regeneration to the area. I know the gangs would still have the gangs in other areas but it might be more accessable for the police to deal with it.
My kids go to Holbeach school in catford, so i pass Milford towers most days. I think its a horrible place and lewisham council should stop putting families into conditions like that. Why dont they make milford towers into a big council depot? and offices. It would bring a bit of regeneration to the area. I know the gangs would still have the gangs in other areas but it might be more accessable for the police to deal with it.
Posted by: Nike, Bellingham on 1:40pm Mon 7 May 07
The quicker they demolish these flats the better, but Lewisham council will just continue to place people there and continue to use the same old excuses as to why they would not be able to demolish them. The killings will continue to happen and no matter what they will keep being swept under the carpet!
The quicker they demolish these flats the better, but Lewisham council will just continue to place people there and continue to use the same old excuses as to why they would not be able to demolish them. The killings will continue to happen and no matter what they will keep being swept under the carpet!
Posted by: ANON on 3:27pm Mon 7 May 07
THIS MURDER WAS MY COUSIN AND AFTER THE INCIDENT WITH ROCHELLE YOU WOULD HAVE BELIEVED THAT THEY WOULD HAVE HAD MADE BETTER PRECAUTIONS AND MADE CHANGES LIKE PUTTING IN VIDEO CAMERAS AND THING LIKE THAT THE GOVERNMENT WASTE MONEY ON FIXING A ROAD THAT THEY FIXED LAST YEAR TO GET RID OF THERE END OF YEAR BUDGET WHEN THEY SHOULD BE DOING THING LIKE INSURING THE SAFETY OF THEIR TENANTS.
THAT ESTATE IS HELL IT NEEDS TO BE ABOLISHED
THIS MURDER WAS MY COUSIN AND AFTER THE INCIDENT WITH ROCHELLE YOU WOULD HAVE BELIEVED THAT THEY WOULD HAVE HAD MADE BETTER PRECAUTIONS AND MADE CHANGES LIKE PUTTING IN VIDEO CAMERAS AND THING LIKE THAT THE GOVERNMENT WASTE MONEY ON FIXING A ROAD THAT THEY FIXED LAST YEAR TO GET RID OF THERE END OF YEAR BUDGET WHEN THEY SHOULD BE DOING THING LIKE INSURING THE SAFETY OF THEIR TENANTS.
THAT ESTATE IS HELL IT NEEDS TO BE ABOLISHED
Posted by: Brad, Catford on 10:17am Tue 8 May 07
That place is a disgrace I live next to Milford Towers I have been gang mugged in the surrounding roads and beaten absolutely black and blue yet they are still doing nothing about that hell hole probably won't it's not high enough priority as no one seemingly in the public spotlight has suffered at the hands of the mindless stupid idiots that cause trouble there, re house the people living there give them a chance at a decent life and knock the dam thing down before anyone else dies, they spend money doing the local area up and yet what's the point Milford Towers brings nothing trouble into the area
That place is a disgrace I live next to Milford Towers I have been gang mugged in the surrounding roads and beaten absolutely black and blue yet they are still doing nothing about that hell hole probably won't it's not high enough priority as no one seemingly in the public spotlight has suffered at the hands of the mindless stupid idiots that cause trouble there, re house the people living there give them a chance at a decent life and knock the dam thing down before anyone else dies, they spend money doing the local area up and yet what's the point Milford Towers brings nothing trouble into the area
Posted by: Thomas, Catford on 11:23am Tue 8 May 07
I work in Catford Shopping centre, I am afraid to work here now.
The policy in this country is, shoplifters get away with what they do, they become more serious criminals who also get away with it, these become murderers and then everybody is astonished and look for reason of such situation, I say wake up!Arm police (criminals already have firearms) and start punishing for crime.
I work in Catford Shopping centre, I am afraid to work here now.
The policy in this country is, shoplifters get away with what they do, they become more serious criminals who also get away with it, these become murderers and then everybody is astonished and look for reason of such situation, I say wake up!Arm police (criminals already have firearms) and start punishing for crime.
Posted by: RM, catford on 4:13pm Tue 8 May 07
I am a postman in catford & sometimes i have to do milford towers, thats the only one i feel uncomfortable about doing, i know the blocks like the back of my hand but for an emergency service to go in there, they would be lost including the police so i dont even think the residents feel safe in there own home & would be glad to be rehoused, i also feel that the only way to make that part of catford safer & better is to knock down the entire thing, & build a shopping center like they have in lewisham, or evict everyone apart from the elderly & families, as its unfair to mix them with thugz who will only cause them to live in fear.[/bold]
I am a postman in catford & sometimes i have to do milford towers, thats the only one i feel uncomfortable about doing, i know the blocks like the back of my hand but for an emergency service to go in there, they would be lost including the police so i dont even think the residents feel safe in there own home & would be glad to be rehoused, i also feel that the only way to make that part of catford safer & better is to knock down the entire thing, & build a shopping center like they have in lewisham, or evict everyone apart from the elderly & families, as its unfair to mix them with thugz who will only cause them to live in fear.
Posted by: ang on 4:38pm Tue 8 May 07
When is the government going to start taking notice of these horrific crime that is happening on our streets wvery day?Is it because they think it does not affect them yet well newsflash !! Gun,knife and gun crime is not just a black thing it only that the media likes to highlight certain issues to bring our people down even more.obviuously if we stopped warring and killing each other they would not have nothing negative to say or print .
I agree the hell hole of an estate needs to be pulled down and i thought that before the two murders so what is it going to take i ask again?? A friend of mine was recently housed on that estate and trust me he can handle his own and he is scared everytime he leaves his house so can u imagine how vulnurable peolpe with families and elderly people feel why exactly are they still rehousing people on the hell hole anyway?????
May Rochelle and Warren rest in peace and may god bless thier families
When is the government going to start taking notice of these horrific crime that is happening on our streets wvery day?Is it because they think it does not affect them yet well newsflash !! Gun,knife and gun crime is not just a black thing it only that the media likes to highlight certain issues to bring our people down even more.obviuously if we stopped warring and killing each other they would not have nothing negative to say or print .
I agree the hell hole of an estate needs to be pulled down and i thought that before the two murders so what is it going to take i ask again?? A friend of mine was recently housed on that estate and trust me he can handle his own and he is scared everytime he leaves his house so can u imagine how vulnurable peolpe with families and elderly people feel why exactly are they still rehousing people on the hell hole anyway?????
May Rochelle and Warren rest in peace and may god bless thier families
Posted by: sapphire faucher, near catford on 6:26pm Tue 8 May 07
[bold][italic][quote]since our close friend died in the flats (rochelle) at the hands of an evil loser. to hear my boyfriends cousin died in the same place i am shocked at the ability of another death caused to another young person i am only 18 myself and i think it is so bad that half of the people my age have been to more funerals than our parents i have only attended 1 funeral for some one that died due to natural causes and that was my 38 year old uncle this has to stop i have had enough of burrying my friends all the time. Because when they get killed its not just the one person suffering its all the people around them aswell. Us as the youth of now need to stop all this before we all have our own kids and it all turns out 10 times worse. it shouldnt be mothers grieving over their murdered kids most parents want to die before their kids thats the way its ment to be. [/bold] [/italic] [/bold] [/italic] [/bold]
since our close friend died in the flats (rochelle) at the hands of an evil loser. to hear my boyfriends cousin died in the same place i am shocked at the ability of another death caused to another young person i am only 18 myself and i think it is so bad that half of the people my age have been to more funerals than our parents i have only attended 1 funeral for some one that died due to natural causes and that was my 38 year old uncle this has to stop i have had enough of burrying my friends all the time. Because when they get killed its not just the one person suffering its all the people around them aswell. Us as the youth of now need to stop all this before we all have our own kids and it all turns out 10 times worse. it shouldnt be mothers grieving over their murdered kids most parents want to die before their kids thats the way its ment to be.
Posted by: Andy, Catford on 6:42pm Tue 8 May 07
Steve Bullock!! I hope you take the time to read these comments. You should make it a priority of your administration to demolish Milford Towers and regenerate the centre of Catford. I feel disgusted by the lack of action from our politicians regarding this disgraceful estate. It brings the whole area down.
Steve Bullock!! I hope you take the time to read these comments. You should make it a priority of your administration to demolish Milford Towers and regenerate the centre of Catford. I feel disgusted by the lack of action from our politicians regarding this disgraceful estate. It brings the whole area down.
Posted by: Esreal Goodman, Elephant & Castle on 7:04pm Tue 8 May 07
I used to go out with Warren Gray the victim of this horrible killing 10 years ago. I have many memories of our relationship & they are allgood. Whoever took his life i know they had no reason to cause he was a nice, generous, considerate gentleman with a loving heart. I would like to send my sympathy to his parents who i know are truly feeling that their son is no longer here because i am.
I used to go out with Warren Gray the victim of this horrible killing 10 years ago. I have many memories of our relationship & they are allgood. Whoever took his life i know they had no reason to cause he was a nice, generous, considerate gentleman with a loving heart. I would like to send my sympathy to his parents who i know are truly feeling that their son is no longer here because i am.
Posted by: TAMMY OF BROCKLEY, 0022 on 12:55am Thu 10 May 07
IT IS HIGH TIME FOR CHANGE,
MAKE BLACK ON BLACK KILLING
A THING OF THE PAST! WE ARE
ALL PUTTING THE 3K's OUT OF
BUSINESS. AS BLACK PEOPLE WE
SHOULD ALL UNITE AND STAND
TOGETHER AND PUT THE GUN
DOWN AND PRESERVE OUR
CHILDREN'S 4 THEY ARE THE
FUTURE'S GENERATION.
YOUTHS GUESS WHAT? AS A
RESULT OF YOU PULLING THE
TRIGGER AND TAKING YOUR
'BRUDDERS' LIFE, JUST THINK
YOU WON'T BE RIDING NO
MORE GYAL.......MAN IS GONNA
RIDE OUT YOU BATTY
INSTEAD.......AND YOU'LL BE
FINISHED. STOP AND THINK
BEFORE IT IS TOO LATE.
IT IS HIGH TIME FOR CHANGE,
MAKE BLACK ON BLACK KILLING
A THING OF THE PAST! WE ARE
ALL PUTTING THE 3K's OUT OF
BUSINESS. AS BLACK PEOPLE WE
SHOULD ALL UNITE AND STAND
TOGETHER AND PUT THE GUN
DOWN AND PRESERVE OUR
CHILDREN'S 4 THEY ARE THE
FUTURE'S GENERATION.
YOUTHS GUESS WHAT? AS A
RESULT OF YOU PULLING THE
TRIGGER AND TAKING YOUR
'BRUDDERS' LIFE, JUST THINK
YOU WON'T BE RIDING NO
MORE GYAL.......MAN IS GONNA
RIDE OUT YOU BATTY
INSTEAD.......AND YOU'LL BE
FINISHED. STOP AND THINK
BEFORE IT IS TOO LATE.
Posted by: TAMMY AN DEREK OF BROCKLEY, 0022 on 12:59am Thu 10 May 07
IT IS HIGH TIME FOR CHANGE,
MAKE BLACK ON BLACK KILLING
A THING OF THE PAST! WE ARE
ALL PUTTING THE 3K's OUT OF
BUSINESS. AS BLACK PEOPLE WE
SHOULD ALL UNITE AND STAND
TOGETHER AND PUT THE GUN
DOWN AND PRESERVE OUR
CHILDREN'S 4 THEY ARE THE
FUTURE'S GENERATION.
YOUTHS GUESS WHAT? AS A
RESULT OF YOU PULLING THE
TRIGGER AND TAKING YOUR
'BRUDDERS' LIFE, JUST THINK
YOU WON'T BE RIDING NO
MORE GYAL.......MAN IS GONNA
RIDE OUT YOU BATTY
INSTEAD.......AND YOU'LL BE
FINISHED. STOP AND THINK
BEFORE IT IS TOO LATE.
IT IS HIGH TIME FOR CHANGE,
MAKE BLACK ON BLACK KILLING
A THING OF THE PAST! WE ARE
ALL PUTTING THE 3K's OUT OF
BUSINESS. AS BLACK PEOPLE WE
SHOULD ALL UNITE AND STAND
TOGETHER AND PUT THE GUN
DOWN AND PRESERVE OUR
CHILDREN'S 4 THEY ARE THE
FUTURE'S GENERATION.
YOUTHS GUESS WHAT? AS A
RESULT OF YOU PULLING THE
TRIGGER AND TAKING YOUR
'BRUDDERS' LIFE, JUST THINK
YOU WON'T BE RIDING NO
MORE GYAL.......MAN IS GONNA
RIDE OUT YOU BATTY
INSTEAD.......AND YOU'LL BE
FINISHED. STOP AND THINK
BEFORE IT IS TOO LATE.
Posted by: SS, london on 1:27pm Thu 10 May 07
I knew Warren and know his immediate family personally. Whoever did this must be told:
Not only have you taken a life you have also destroyed the souls of many.
While you sleep at night they will cry, while you move freely in the day they will forever be haunted by the shadow death that now hangs over them.
They are good, decent people trying their best to survive in what can only be described as hell. Warren and his family did not deserve this.
Rest in peace Warren.
All my love xxx
I knew Warren and know his immediate family personally. Whoever did this must be told:
Not only have you taken a life you have also destroyed the souls of many.
While you sleep at night they will cry, while you move freely in the day they will forever be haunted by the shadow death that now hangs over them.
They are good, decent people trying their best to survive in what can only be described as hell. Warren and his family did not deserve this.
Rest in peace Warren.
All my love xxx
Posted by: chelsea, near catford on 12:48am Fri 11 May 07
EVERYDAY YOU HEAR OF ANOTHER YOUTH DEAD, IM ONLY 17 AND YET IVE LOST MORE OF MY FRIENDS THAN MY MUM HAS. WE HAVE TO PUT A STOP TO THIS AS A COMMUNITY, DONT ALL US BLACK YOUTHS SEE WHAT KIND OF NAME WE ARE GETTING 4RM ALL OF THIS, WE ARE NOT MAKING IT ANY BETTER 4 OURSELF. PEOPLE NEED TO WORK WITH US YOUTHS NOT AGAISNT US TO GAIN A POSITIVE OUTCOME. I DONT WANNA BURY MY KIDS WHEN IM OLDER AND IM SURE NO OTHER MOTHER OR FATHER WANTS TO BURY THEIR KIDS. LOOK AT WHAT IS HAPPENING 2 FAMILYS THROUGH GUN ADN KNIFE CRIME , IT NEEDS TO STOP 4RM 2DAY EVERYTHING HAS COMPLETELY GONE OUT OF HAND. R.I.P WARREN AND R.I.P EVERY YOUT THAT HAS DIED FROM NORTH, SOUTH, EAST AND WEST. ENOUGH IS ENOUGH
EVERYDAY YOU HEAR OF ANOTHER YOUTH DEAD, IM ONLY 17 AND YET IVE LOST MORE OF MY FRIENDS THAN MY MUM HAS. WE HAVE TO PUT A STOP TO THIS AS A COMMUNITY, DONT ALL US BLACK YOUTHS SEE WHAT KIND OF NAME WE ARE GETTING 4RM ALL OF THIS, WE ARE NOT MAKING IT ANY BETTER 4 OURSELF. PEOPLE NEED TO WORK WITH US YOUTHS NOT AGAISNT US TO GAIN A POSITIVE OUTCOME. I DONT WANNA BURY MY KIDS WHEN IM OLDER AND IM SURE NO OTHER MOTHER OR FATHER WANTS TO BURY THEIR KIDS. LOOK AT WHAT IS HAPPENING 2 FAMILYS THROUGH GUN ADN KNIFE CRIME , IT NEEDS TO STOP 4RM 2DAY EVERYTHING HAS COMPLETELY GONE OUT OF HAND. R.I.P WARREN AND R.I.P EVERY YOUT THAT HAS DIED FROM NORTH, SOUTH, EAST AND WEST. ENOUGH IS ENOUGH
Posted by: pamela, catford se6 on 7:15pm Fri 11 May 07
wat really anoue me is black on black gun knife crime there r good boys out there wat is wrong with da youths off 2day when national front was in lewisham u never see the boys at all but they want 2kill they own the youhts off 2day need help they think they bad but they not yhae need 2 change the way they r i pray 2 god no more black children will die in the hand off gangs please stop all the gang and get an education i pray and hope warrens parents find the killers and i hope steve bullock will think off knocking the estate down and builing like other shops there please gangs stop it could be your brother or a member off your family let it stop now
wat really anoue me is black on black gun knife crime there r good boys out there wat is wrong with da youths off 2day when national front was in lewisham u never see the boys at all but they want 2kill they own the youhts off 2day need help they think they bad but they not yhae need 2 change the way they r i pray 2 god no more black children will die in the hand off gangs please stop all the gang and get an education i pray and hope warrens parents find the killers and i hope steve bullock will think off knocking the estate down and builing like other shops there please gangs stop it could be your brother or a member off your family let it stop now
Posted by: Joan, Catford on 10:49pm Fri 11 May 07
All i have to say that i am very sorry to everyone who has suffered a loss, especially to gun crime. The thing that is most disturbing is that these crimes are being commited by children not adults. Where are the parents? That is a question that contiuously replays in my mind. I no longer reside in Catford anymore but i always used to cut through the car park to go to the athletic track. In a few years time, how will be able to survive? The youths are taking over. This murder was happened around 8ish, which is not even that late. I am very sorry for anyone who has to live in a estate, especially those who are raising children in those conditions. I don't know how anyone can go day by day living in milford towers IT NEEDS TO BE DEMOLISHED!!!!!!!
R.I.P
All i have to say that i am very sorry to everyone who has suffered a loss, especially to gun crime. The thing that is most disturbing is that these crimes are being commited by children not adults. Where are the parents? That is a question that contiuously replays in my mind. I no longer reside in Catford anymore but i always used to cut through the car park to go to the athletic track. In a few years time, how will be able to survive? The youths are taking over. This murder was happened around 8ish, which is not even that late. I am very sorry for anyone who has to live in a estate, especially those who are raising children in those conditions. I don't know how anyone can go day by day living in milford towers IT NEEDS TO BE DEMOLISHED!!!!!!!
R.I.P
Posted by: Raquel, lewisham on 11:18am Mon 14 May 07
AFTER MY BEST FRIEND/CUSION WAS KILLED ON THIS ESTATE I REALLY BELIEVED THAT THEY WOULD KNOCK THEM DOWN OR SUMTHINK BUT NO THEY NEVER NO ONE COULD JUST KNOW HOW BAD IT FEELS TO LOSE SOMEONE IN THAT WAY.....BUT THERES NO ONE FEELING IT MORE THEN HER MUM MY HEARTS GOSE OUT TO HER MUM....LOVE OYU SO MUCH AUNTE JEN....AND TO THINK AFFTER THAT HAPPENED TO ROCHELLE NOTHINK WAS DONE ABOUT IT IF IT WAS THEN THIS BOYS LIFE WOULD NOT OF GOT TAKEN...JEN TOLD THE POLICE FROM DAY THAT THEY SHOULD OPEN BACK UP THE CASE....BUT THEY NEVER AND NOW LOOK.....MY HEART GOES OUT TO THE BOYS FAMILY AND FRIENDS......RIP ROCHELLE AND WARREN ALWAYS LOVED NEVER FORGOTTAN
AFTER MY BEST FRIEND/CUSION WAS KILLED ON THIS ESTATE I REALLY BELIEVED THAT THEY WOULD KNOCK THEM DOWN OR SUMTHINK BUT NO THEY NEVER NO ONE COULD JUST KNOW HOW BAD IT FEELS TO LOSE SOMEONE IN THAT WAY.....BUT THERES NO ONE FEELING IT MORE THEN HER MUM MY HEARTS GOSE OUT TO HER MUM....LOVE OYU SO MUCH AUNTE JEN....AND TO THINK AFFTER THAT HAPPENED TO ROCHELLE NOTHINK WAS DONE ABOUT IT IF IT WAS THEN THIS BOYS LIFE WOULD NOT OF GOT TAKEN...JEN TOLD THE POLICE FROM DAY THAT THEY SHOULD OPEN BACK UP THE CASE....BUT THEY NEVER AND NOW LOOK.....MY HEART GOES OUT TO THE BOYS FAMILY AND FRIENDS......RIP ROCHELLE AND WARREN ALWAYS LOVED NEVER FORGOTTAN
Posted by: pamela, catford on 11:25am Mon 14 May 07
yes were are the parents its the parents to blame why so much crime is around children from the ages off 13 i see on street the parents problry dont even care what they get up 2 my son whoes 15 is not allowed to patrol the streets and hes a black child so parents need 2 know were there kids are 1 off them could be the next 1 die in the hand off gun or knifes all parents look after your kids how many more kids are going 2 die 2 many allready i live in catford im not moving out its happeing every were you go parents you must keep an eye on your children and there companie to all the little boys who think they are bad take a good at yourself stop and look what you are doing come on black boys please stop it now before you become the next 1 we dont want no more boys die lifes 2 short
yes were are the parents its the parents to blame why so much crime is around children from the ages off 13 i see on street the parents problry dont even care what they get up 2 my son whoes 15 is not allowed to patrol the streets and hes a black child so parents need 2 know were there kids are 1 off them could be the next 1 die in the hand off gun or knifes all parents look after your kids how many more kids are going 2 die 2 many allready i live in catford im not moving out its happeing every were you go parents you must keep an eye on your children and there companie to all the little boys who think they are bad take a good at yourself stop and look what you are doing come on black boys please stop it now before you become the next 1 we dont want no more boys die lifes 2 short
Posted by: nadine, se catford on 11:42am Mon 14 May 07
my auntie jennifer allways said there will be another 1 because she keepted on saying it she crys most off the time or visit the cematry every day she miss rochelle like mad i miss seen my cuz come on steve bullock what are you going 2 do i go cematry as much as i can explaine how i fill so i hope no other mother has 2 go down that road like my auntie allso i fill for warrens mum n dad just be strong is easy said then done may warren n rochelle rest in peace they have gone to a better place is a sad and wicked world for somebody to take away somebodys life im really fed up please stop and think what you are doing before theres another child
my auntie jennifer allways said there will be another 1 because she keepted on saying it she crys most off the time or visit the cematry every day she miss rochelle like mad i miss seen my cuz come on steve bullock what are you going 2 do i go cematry as much as i can explaine how i fill so i hope no other mother has 2 go down that road like my auntie allso i fill for warrens mum n dad just be strong is easy said then done may warren n rochelle rest in peace they have gone to a better place is a sad and wicked world for somebody to take away somebodys life im really fed up please stop and think what you are doing before theres another child
Posted by: chantell, catford near hobeach on 7:58pm Tue 15 May 07
[quote][bold]pamela[/bold] wrote:
yes were are the parents its the parents to blame why so much crime is around children from the ages off 13 i see on street the parents problry dont even care what they get up 2 my son whoes 15 is not allowed to patrol the streets and hes a black child so parents need 2 know were there kids are 1 off them could be the next 1 die in the hand off gun or knifes all parents look after your kids how many more kids are going 2 die 2 many allready i live in catford im not moving out its happeing every were you go parents you must keep an eye on your children and there companie to all the little boys who think they are bad take a good at yourself stop and look what you are doing come on black boys please stop it now before you become the next 1 we dont want no more boys die lifes 2 short [/quote] black boys stop da killing look in da mirror wat u see another killer or wat u tink you are bad but you are not how many more of you going to die before its to late to all the little boys out there read this and listen its a sad n wicked world we live in im a big woman ive never seen so much little boys dieing it makes you wonder please boys put the knifes down and guns down and get an education half off you boys carnt even read or fill in a form
pamela wrote:
yes were are the parents its the parents to blame why so much crime is around children from the ages off 13 i see on street the parents problry dont even care what they get up 2 my son whoes 15 is not allowed to patrol the streets and hes a black child so parents need 2 know were there kids are 1 off them could be the next 1 die in the hand off gun or knifes all parents look after your kids how many more kids are going 2 die 2 many allready i live in catford im not moving out its happeing every were you go parents you must keep an eye on your children and there companie to all the little boys who think they are bad take a good at yourself stop and look what you are doing come on black boys please stop it now before you become the next 1 we dont want no more boys die lifes 2 short
black boys stop da killing look in da mirror wat u see another killer or wat u tink you are bad but you are not how many more of you going to die before its to late to all the little boys out there read this and listen its a sad n wicked world we live in im a big woman ive never seen so much little boys dieing it makes you wonder please boys put the knifes down and guns down and get an education half off you boys carnt even read or fill in a form
Posted by: Anon on 10:57am Sat 2 Jun 07
Warren, was my brother and myself and my family are so hurt by this murder.
I will never see or speak to my brother again due to heartless people in this world.
the government need to stop this black on black killing as we loosw young black men everyday for stupidness.
Warren, was my brother and myself and my family are so hurt by this murder.
I will never see or speak to my brother again due to heartless people in this world.
the government need to stop this black on black killing as we loosw young black men everyday for stupidness.
Posted by: HALIMA on 8:12pm Sat 9 Jun 07
PLZ PLZ STOP ALL THIS AND WHEN I SAY THAT I MEAN GETTING DRUNK, TAKIN DRUGS,STABBING,FIGHT
ING AND SHOTING JUS AND BE NICE 2 1 ANOTHER LIFE IS TOO SHORT
PLZ PLZ STOP ALL THIS AND WHEN I SAY THAT I MEAN GETTING DRUNK, TAKIN DRUGS,STABBING,FIGHT
ING AND SHOTING JUS AND BE NICE 2 1 ANOTHER LIFE IS TOO SHORT
Posted by: HALIMA on 8:20pm Sat 9 Jun 07
AND I WASENT EVEN EXPECTING SOMETHIN LIKE THIS HAPPEN TO ROCHELLE HOLNESS WHO EVER HAS DONE SUCH DANGEROUS THING TO HER THAT PERSON WILL REGRET IT FOR DA REST OF THIER FLIPIN LIFE !HACSAW FREEKIN HACK ON DA PRETTY GIRL! MR MC GRADY YOU SOO MUCH EXPLANING TO DO AND RIGHT NOW I REALLY FEEL SORRY FOR MRS HOLNESS DONT WORRY ROCHELLE IS AN ANGEL NOW JUS TAKE A GOOD CARE OF YOUR SELF GOD WILL ALWAYS BE THERE FOR YOU JUS BE STRONG AND PRAY AT ALL TIMES LET GOD BLESS YOU AND YOUR FAMILY
AN I NO ROCHELLE IS DEAD BUT IT'S LIFE ANY ONE GOD CALLS THEY WILL GO STAY COOL AND U WILL ALWAYS SUCCED IN LIFE
AND I WASENT EVEN EXPECTING SOMETHIN LIKE THIS HAPPEN TO ROCHELLE HOLNESS WHO EVER HAS DONE SUCH DANGEROUS THING TO HER THAT PERSON WILL REGRET IT FOR DA REST OF THIER FLIPIN LIFE !HACSAW FREEKIN HACK ON DA PRETTY GIRL! MR MC GRADY YOU SOO MUCH EXPLANING TO DO AND RIGHT NOW I REALLY FEEL SORRY FOR MRS HOLNESS DONT WORRY ROCHELLE IS AN ANGEL NOW JUS TAKE A GOOD CARE OF YOUR SELF GOD WILL ALWAYS BE THERE FOR YOU JUS BE STRONG AND PRAY AT ALL TIMES LET GOD BLESS YOU AND YOUR FAMILY
AN I NO ROCHELLE IS DEAD BUT IT'S LIFE ANY ONE GOD CALLS THEY WILL GO STAY COOL AND U WILL ALWAYS SUCCED IN LIFE
Posted by: a mother, catford on 2:03am Mon 22 Oct 07
Lewisham is letting its people down, crime is rife, street muggings are becoming something to expect.Children are being kicked out of schools then left to wander the streets, kids are treated as lesser beings, families have broken down. fathers are absent, mothers are struggling to keep control. Single mums blamed for wrongs, when society creates a system thats better for the single person. Love is lacking in our society. Kids are being raised by drug addicted parents who show the kids no love, the kids get ignored at school no one picks up on their suffering. Some kids grow to believe they have no hope no prospects. There is lack of extended families and people that care in the community. Kids that are lacking should be identified at an early age, then perhaps the right morals and values can be installed into them to make this kind of crime a thing of the past. We are all accountable. Some of these kids that have lacked grow up to turnout to be gun welding thugs...so if you see a kid getting a raw deal dont wait for the authorities to get involved make time to show you care and that not all adults dont give a **** unless it is there own. I cry for every child that is murdered that dies before their time. I lost a sister at 18 and a brother at 18. I try to make a difference. I am a single mum through no choice of my own but i love my son and give him what he needs to make a stable grounded young man. I think of the whole picture, not just my part.
Noone has the right to take a life and my deepest condolenses go out to these parents. noone can bring back these lives into their lives.People need to take a good look at themselves and start doing their own little something in order to make this world a better place to live.
do not allow this to blacken your hearts let it light them up with hope and faith in the future that these young lives were not lost in vain. all this killing has to stop and now is the time.NOW.
Lewisham is letting its people down, crime is rife, street muggings are becoming something to expect.Children are being kicked out of schools then left to wander the streets, kids are treated as lesser beings, families have broken down. fathers are absent, mothers are struggling to keep control. Single mums blamed for wrongs, when society creates a system thats better for the single person. Love is lacking in our society. Kids are being raised by drug addicted parents who show the kids no love, the kids get ignored at school no one picks up on their suffering. Some kids grow to believe they have no hope no prospects. There is lack of extended families and people that care in the community. Kids that are lacking should be identified at an early age, then perhaps the right morals and values can be installed into them to make this kind of crime a thing of the past. We are all accountable. Some of these kids that have lacked grow up to turnout to be gun welding thugs...so if you see a kid getting a raw deal dont wait for the authorities to get involved make time to show you care and that not all adults dont give a **** unless it is there own. I cry for every child that is murdered that dies before their time. I lost a sister at 18 and a brother at 18. I try to make a difference. I am a single mum through no choice of my own but i love my son and give him what he needs to make a stable grounded young man. I think of the whole picture, not just my part.
Noone has the right to take a life and my deepest condolenses go out to these parents. noone can bring back these lives into their lives.People need to take a good look at themselves and start doing their own little something in order to make this world a better place to live.
do not allow this to blacken your hearts let it light them up with hope and faith in the future that these young lives were not lost in vain. all this killing has to stop and now is the time.NOW.
Posted by: anon, nr catford on 9:18pm Tue 20 Nov 07
Yes it is a terible shame but here we must really look at what kind of parenmts would raise a mysogynistic pervert or a child abuser.
Yes it is a terible shame but here we must really look at what kind of parenmts would raise a mysogynistic pervert or a child abuser.
Posted by: charlie, catford on 6:36pm Mon 10 Dec 07
I have lived in catford for 18 years and my bedroom window looks right on to it and every time i look out i think of rochelle and now warren,i knew them both. It makes me sick to think that this man was living up with out a care in the world looking down on us all.I think the block should get knocked down and soon but fom what i hear there buliding a new 8 story high block but a bit more open plan where the dogs was whats the point.If i had kids i would not what them here where the feds dont even care plus have no control jokers.I hope rochelle and warrens family can find some sort of peace and macradey you get whats coming to you in pen may you rot in jail you sick f...
I have lived in catford for 18 years and my bedroom window looks right on to it and every time i look out i think of rochelle and now warren,i knew them both. It makes me sick to think that this man was living up with out a care in the world looking down on us all.I think the block should get knocked down and soon but fom what i hear there buliding a new 8 story high block but a bit more open plan where the dogs was whats the point.If i had kids i would not what them here where the feds dont even care plus have no control jokers.I hope rochelle and warrens family can find some sort of peace and macradey you get whats coming to you in pen may you rot in jail you sick f...
Posted by: annmarie on 4:10pm Tue 8 Apr 08
warren was a carefree guy he never got mixed up in all da ghetto hype he was a profeesinal boxer that was his drteam i cant get my head round it i cant understand why some body took his life plz i need 2 no y i knew him 4 13 yrs he was my friend my pal we used 2 have a laugth this senceless murder omg rest in ever lasting peace maner see you at the cross roads not a day doesnt go by when i dont think about u my 1st love lots of love n kisses annmarie deptford co pepys i never forget da memories that we shared my heart goes out 2 his family n friends ps kraver ill c u soon
warren was a carefree guy he never got mixed up in all da ghetto hype he was a profeesinal boxer that was his drteam i cant get my head round it i cant understand why some body took his life plz i need 2 no y i knew him 4 13 yrs he was my friend my pal we used 2 have a laugth this senceless murder omg rest in ever lasting peace maner see you at the cross roads not a day doesnt go by when i dont think about u my 1st love lots of love n kisses annmarie deptford co pepys i never forget da memories that we shared my heart goes out 2 his family n friends ps kraver ill c u soon
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