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Video: Police meet residents after teen's murder

2:31pm Wednesday 28th May 2008

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By Robert Fisk »

RESIDENTS' fears about crime were aired when police held a meeting near to the spot where teenager Rob Knox was murdered.

The meeting in Station Road, Sidcup, was held yesterday evening (May 27) just days after the 18-year-old was attacked outside the Metro Bar.

Mr Knox, aged 18, of Maidstone Road, Sidcup, was killed and five others were injured in the incident in the early hours of May 24.

Issues raised at yesterday's street meeting included the amount of time it takes police to respond to incidents, stop and search policies and whether bars and clubs should have metal detectors.

Anyone who witnessed Saturday's incident, or who has information, should call the police on 020 8721 4805 or Crimestoppers on 0800 555 111.

  • To watch footage of last night's meeting click the 'play video' link above.

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BB, Charlton says...
3:16pm Wed 28 May 08

Can we have one of these type of meetings for the residents of Charlton please? I note in this edition that there has been a another murder in Wellington Gardens last week, allegedly a homophobic attack which would make that the second homophobic murder in under a year I believe.

We have had a stabbings and muggings in the area recently and not to mention the endless problems we are having with gangs. So please lets have a meeting for us too to help put our minds at rest as I am to frightened to walk home from the station alone these days. Thank you.

Concerned Resident, Bromley says...
3:32pm Wed 28 May 08

Would be nice if the POLICE (as opposed to safer neighbourhood teams) could do the same for the Burnt Ash Lane area.
I'm sure it would get a very welcome responce from local residents who feel the issues down here are not being addressed.

Debbie, Bromley says...
3:48pm Wed 28 May 08

The safer neighbourhood teams ARE the police!!

anon, says...
4:19pm Wed 28 May 08

meetings with the local police force..shouldn't we be meeting the police when their walking the streets in everybodys neighbourhood across the country...how are police meetings going to solve crime..they shulod put their words into action now

Reader, Bexley says...
4:23pm Wed 28 May 08

Debbie wrote:
The safer neighbourhood teams ARE the police!!
Yeh the safer neighbourhood ARE Police support officers but what good are they to anyone WITHOUT THE POWERS OF THE POLICE they need to address this, every mindless person on the streets no just as must as they do about the law, i feel if they went and had better training and more powers they may be more use to the public but as it stands at the moment they can't and don't seem to do alot, but why should they with a good wage and good hours they have got it made and most don't wish to become a real police officer as it IS HARD WORK.

Your Lord Erastus Theobald Piggott The Angry, says...
5:00pm Wed 28 May 08

I ask the politicians and councillors outright what they are going to do about all this uncontrolled violence in my latest blog in the Your Shopper section:

COME ON, WE ARE WAITNG!
Posted by Lord Erastus Theobald Piggott at 12:07am today.

Please leave a comment on the blog and let them know what you think!

Your Lord, Erastus Theobald Piggott

Sisyphus, Bromley says...
5:12pm Wed 28 May 08

anon wrote:
meetings with the local police force..shouldn't we be meeting the police when their walking the streets in everybodys neighbourhood across the country...how are police meetings going to solve crime..they shulod put their words into action now
I assume you mean the old 'bobbies on the beat' chestnut?
I also assume you can direct us to the research which shows that taking police away from investigating crime that has actually happened or working with people and other organisations in the community to prevent crimes happening, and asking them to patrol the streets in the vain hope that they come across someone trying to commit a crime, would stop the type of incident reported here, or the fight that happened in the Bird in Hand pub?

Concerned Resident, Bromley says...
5:45pm Wed 28 May 08

SNT are made up of a sargent a couple of pc's and some pcso's.
Mostly the pcso's are to be seen on the streets, for whom the local intellectuals have no respect for and know they don't have police powers.
So Debbie, I am talking POLICE as from Bromley nik, those in charge who keep telling us things are being delt with.
Let them come out on the street and answer the public's questions.

Sue, Bromley says...
6:10pm Wed 28 May 08

Reader in Bexley.
Maybe you dont have a very good team in your area?
PCSO's are very highly trained, they have the same training as police officers, but are given no powers and no means of self defence, but are used more and more to do the job of a fully equipped police officer.
Then there are the specials, they get a fraction of the training,work only a few hours a week, yet they get police uniformand powers, the yobs on the street probably couldn't tell the difference between a special and a fully trained pc.

Tax payer, Bexley says...
11:12pm Wed 28 May 08

Sue,Bromley.

Doe's it matter what the hell they call themselves what we want whatever uniform it comes in is a use to the public, to stop and end to the killings of our youth and memeber of the public in this place we call GREAT BRITAIN, our children are dying in the streets, if the police cant control it! stop sending our army to man other countrys when we have a worse situation on our own doorsteps.

realist, kent says...
6:50am Thu 29 May 08

Unfortunately police cannot predict where and when something is going to happen, they are actually human like everyone else. Don't you think they wish they could stop killings of innocent people. As for getting to calls straight way they are understaffed and cover a large area and do the best they can

Everyone says they wantto see "bobbies on the beat" but they can actually get to calls quicker in vehicles than on foot so unless they employ enough police to have 2 per street over the country then really bobbies in cars is the best option as well as the safer neighbourhood teams

It is unfair to blame police for all the killings taking place, they are not the ones going out armed with knives stabbing people and they would much rather be stopping this happening than goingto the parents of the victims and breaking the awful news to them

RIP Rob, so sorry for all his family and friends

John Denver, Thamesmead says...
7:48am Thu 29 May 08

Your Lord Erastus Theobald Piggott The Angry wrote:
I ask the politicians and councillors outright what they are going to do about all this uncontrolled violence in my latest blog in the Your Shopper section: COME ON, WE ARE WAITNG! Posted by Lord Erastus Theobald Piggott at 12:07am today. Please leave a comment on the blog and let them know what you think! Your Lord, Erastus Theobald Piggott
And how do you spell waiting Erastus? Also, can you do your blog promos as a clickable link to save everybody time when they want to get to your well-informed, extremely well-researched pieces.

Katie, London says...
9:40am Thu 29 May 08

If your looking for somone to blame for all of theese killings/stabbings how about starting with the parents?

Jayne, Bromley says...
10:10am Thu 29 May 08

Katie wrote:
If your looking for somone to blame for all of theese killings/stabbings how about starting with the parents?
Would those be the same parents who systematically had all means of discipling their offspring taken away from them by this ridiculous PC correct government and replaced it with a naughty step?

Katie, London says...
10:41am Thu 29 May 08

so the government determine how you teach your children wrong from right? What a load of rubbish, yet agin shifting the blame!

Jayne, Bromley says...
11:34am Thu 29 May 08

Katie: Never rubbish what you are unsure of or just hasn't been proven! I am assuming from your comments that you are the parent of impeccibly raised teens? Do you honestly think that every thug out there either locked up or running the streets are from bad parents? If you do you would be quite suprised to know the percentage rates.I have worked in youth services for over 12 years and quit through sheer frustration.I have no notion of trying to shift the blameas you put it. I joined in this conversation to try (like most of the posters on here) to understand and maybe ascertain why this has escalated to this point,and also to know what is lurking out there to protect my own children. After all if all this is down to unemployed,single parents how on earth does Prince Charles account for his son's binge drinking,and scuffling outside nightclubs during his rebelllious teen years ?

Pink Kitten, London says...
11:55am Thu 29 May 08

Look at the way these kids behave then watch some of the music videos that are popular with these kids and listen to the lyrics? It's all about violence, gangs being a player, drugs e.t.c Can no one honestly see the connection?

The fault lies with the government for making the law as soft as **** and the media for glamorising bad behaviour!
These kids are programmed that all what they do is acceptable. So the next question is how the **** are you going to change their way of thinking?
Maybe the damage is unrepairable.

Katie, London says...
12:10pm Thu 29 May 08

I have two children under the age of 5. I work for the police and have dealings with this kind of thing on a daily basis, therefore I am fully aware that crime is not committed by just one part of society, you seemed to have read my post as a personal attack which it was not, I was merely saying that discipline must start within the home, is this not a fair comment to make?

Jayne, Bromley says...
1:13pm Thu 29 May 08

It's a very fair and sensible comment to make,and in your line of work you should then be aware that you also have your hands tied by this incompetant government as to how the law allows you to handle young criminals, hence my original post that started off our mini debate. :0) You are correct discipline should start in the home but unfortunately these kids know their rights probably more than we do,rights handed them through a long list of do gooders. Its not just parents who lost their rights to discipline this lost generation it was also teachers,and everyone else in authority.You probably more than anyone else on here see what this soft approach forced on us all has wreaked upon this country. Prison or YDC's are not working this has been proven with re-offending statistics.Education for the next generation of upcoming teenagers must be established and discipline brought back into all areas of these kids lives.I fear it is too late to help those who are already out there commiting these dreadful offences,they are the generation raised on violent images,computer games,and no concept of right and wrong.You can raise the nicest child out there but if he/she decides that life is more exciting in the problem area of society there is not a lot parents can do,have seen this scenario happen over and over again.

Katie, London says...
1:24pm Thu 29 May 08

I 100% agree with your last post Jayne :-)

June, Crayford says...
2:50pm Thu 29 May 08

As a mother of two boys, one a teenager and employed at a local school of course i am concerned about the actions of our younger generation. There are so many gangs around this area, it has got to the stage where no one knows who is on their side anymore!
Our PCSO's are fabulous in our area but the kids know full well they do not have the powers of Police Officers. Teh Police are also great when they have time to turn up. What we need EVERYWHERE are more police officers in order that people, both old and young, know that there will be a consequence to their actions. More obvious policing is required to deter harm. Make these kids scared to carry a knife, drink in public or graffiti. It will cost more financially but will ultimatly save lives

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