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HAVE YOUR SAY: Shopper Rant - stop protecting Bulger murderers


Welcome to the first of News Shopper's new daily opinion columns. Read our rant and join the debate by adding your comments.

WHEN Robert Thompson and Jon Venables were put on trial for the murder of James Bulger in November 1993, the proceedings were notable for several reasons.

They were tried in an adult court, perched on high chairs so they could see out of the dock, away from their parents.

The judge and court officials wore wigs and gowns (in many cases involving juveniles, this formality is dropped) and, outside, 500 protestors screamed for the youngsters’ blood.

At the time, they were referred to as Child A and Child B. After their conviction, they were identified and their photographs released to the press – because the trial judge deemed their identification to be in the public interest. He felt they should not have benefitted from anonymity.

But while the interests of the public were taken into account then, subsequent events have proved the justice system cares not a jot for the wants and needs of you and I.

On their release, millions of pounds was spent protecting the new identities of Venables and Thompson and the media were not allowed to identify them to keep the pair safe.

Jon Venables

Venables is back in prison – and still he is being protected. Only a handful of people know his new name.

We spend hundreds of thousands of pounds every year ensuring he is kept safe and snugly, with the occasional mug of tea and a Hob Nob with a probation officer his ‘punishment’ for brutalising a defenceless member of society in the most disgusting way imaginable.

How can our justice system be so out of touch with what the public wants?

Thompson – and particularly Venables, whose licence breach is a firm slap in the chops to every taxpayer in this country – should never have been given new identities.

They served pitifully short sentences and should have been left to take their chances on release.

If they were attacked, then surely the justice system in which we are all supposed to have so much faith would have dealt fairly with the perpetrators.

This column is produced by an independent writer and in no way reflects the official position of News Shopper or its parent company.

What do you think? Should James Bulger's killers have been given new identities and should the justice system continue to protect them? Should the reasons for Jon Venables' return to prison be made public? Add your comments below.

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Comments(21)

jca111 says...
1:06pm Mon 15 Mar 10

What a pile of rubbish!

So what do you want - mob rule. This is precisely what would happen if you got your wish as per this article.

What makes these two killers SO different to other killers? They were kids. So all killers then should be at the mercy of mob rule, and beatings?

These two were kids. Why are they so much more evil than an adult killer? Is it just possible that they did not fully realise the consequences of their actions?

This is, by no means, condoning what they did, but the government has a duty to protect each and every one of us, including criminals, so Jack Straw has no choice but to protect them.

And for those that say "life should mean life". They have a life sentence. Do your homework, and look at what that means. You are sentenced for life. Not all of your sentence is in incarceration, but AT ANY POINT for the rest of your life you may be returned if your breach the terms of your release, which has happened here.

We are a civilised country, lets keep it that way!

fred.rayfield2345@btinternet.com says...
1:06pm Mon 15 Mar 10

these kids new what they were doing at 6 years old they would have had the sence they should hang the pair of them

RedRevolver says...
2:04pm Mon 15 Mar 10

I wholeheartedly agree with jca111.

agl says...
2:09pm Mon 15 Mar 10

absolute chimps is what we have in power a handful of overpaid do-gooders who do not live in the real world and whose children and lives will never been affected by the likes of Venebles. At 10 years old they both knew what they were doing. Half of these young offenders go on to spend the rest of their lives in prison, consequently having more luxuries inside than they would on the outside. let everyone know who they are especially in jail so then maybe this will be a deterrant for anyone else thinking of committing such a heineous crime as there is no other form of deterrant and things will never change all the time we **** foot around such evil beings - hang them !

agl says...
2:12pm Mon 15 Mar 10

is jca111 above from another planet, they deserve another chance is what she's saying i've never heard such rubbish i have an 11 year old son and he knews exactly right from wrong, if they don't know by that age then they never will, its the likes of you that are running this bloody country lets hope god forbid, something like this terrible crime doesn't happen to you or anyone close to you in your bloody lifetime you idiot

pumpkinpie says...
3:29pm Mon 15 Mar 10

These two "kids" knew what they were doing. They had watched a particular horror movie and tried to re enact it. The things they did to that poor child make me feel sick.
We studied the case in law and we had details of what happened released to us. I won't repeat them but when James started crying for his mother, instead of taking him somewhere and leaving him they carried on. they tried covering up their act, again knowing they have done wrong but it failed. I think Venerables identity should be revealed. He was let out with a new identity, he committed an offence, try him, and then release his identity. Scum like that don't deserve a second chance.

jca111 says...
3:32pm Mon 15 Mar 10

agl wrote:
absolute chimps is what we have in power a handful of overpaid do-gooders who do not live in the real world and whose children and lives will never been affected by the likes of Venebles. At 10 years old they both knew what they were doing. Half of these young offenders go on to spend the rest of their lives in prison, consequently having more luxuries inside than they would on the outside. let everyone know who they are especially in jail so then maybe this will be a deterrant for anyone else thinking of committing such a heineous crime as there is no other form of deterrant and things will never change all the time we **** foot around such evil beings - hang them !
Hang them? What countries that have capital punishment that have the death penalty apply it to children? Very few, and if you look at the list - I would not want to live in one of those countries:

Democratic Republic of the Congo,
Iran,
Nigeria,
Saudi Arabia
Sudan.

That's It!

LNN says...
3:32pm Mon 15 Mar 10

pumpkinpie wrote:
These two "kids" knew what they were doing. They had watched a particular horror movie and tried to re enact it. The things they did to that poor child make me feel sick.
We studied the case in law and we had details of what happened released to us. I won't repeat them but when James started crying for his mother, instead of taking him somewhere and leaving him they carried on. they tried covering up their act, again knowing they have done wrong but it failed. I think Venerables identity should be revealed. He was let out with a new identity, he committed an offence, try him, and then release his identity. Scum like that don't deserve a second chance.
Agree totally..

I to have seen the report, its horrific, unimaginable what these to did to james..

MrMojoRisin says...
3:38pm Mon 15 Mar 10

How is it in the public interest to know Venables's real identity? Are people really any worse off for not knowing who he is and what he's done? This article is yet another example of getting caught up in tabloid hysteria rather than having any genuine care for "what the public wants". The Sun and Daily Mail might want to know cos it sure sells papers. But does finding out his identity make a difference to my life? Not a jot.

sweetkic says...
3:43pm Mon 15 Mar 10

IF YOU KILL A LIFE YOU DO LIFE NO MATTER HOW OLD YOU ARE.

Eagles_Man says...
6:10pm Mon 15 Mar 10

If murder carried a genuine life sentence then this question wouldn't arise.

However, I'm concerned at this:

"If they were attacked, then surely the justice system in which we are all supposed to have so much faith would have dealt fairly with the perpetrators."

The writer is talking, presumably, about the sort of people who have driven an innocent person into hiding (in Lancs.) because they thought he was Venables ... or the morons who attacked a doctor's home a few years' back because they couldn't tell the difference between a paedophile and a paediatrician.

crystal3 says...
7:01pm Mon 15 Mar 10

what they did was unforgivable, i would like to know how these do gooders would feel , if there daughter ended up married to one of them and having a child with one of them ? would they welcome them into there family ,

SE9,10,18 says...
7:26pm Mon 15 Mar 10

Put yourself in the shoes of poor Denise Fergus. Her beautiful baby was MURDERED in cold blood. The details are chilling. They have no rights, what they did to James was inhuman and goes against everything we believe in as a civilised race. In my opinion they should never be released from prison or a secure unit.

LNN says...
9:33pm Mon 15 Mar 10

jca11 get a grip =These two were kids. Why are they so much more evil than an adult killer? Is it just possible that they did not fully realise the consequences of their actions?

Go to wikipedia and read just some of what james went through, then tell us they didn't realise the consequences because they were kids..They knew **** well what they were doing because they tried to cover up what they had done...

sj67 says...
12:58am Tue 16 Mar 10

Bearing in mind they had tried to take another toddler just before they took James, we know it was premeditated, the evil little thugs went out to take a baby.
My son was six at the time and knew the 'bad boys' did wrong.
So - tell me, all you who say they deserve a chance, they were only children, waaaaah, are you happy to have Thompson babysit your kids? Come now, surely he deserves a chance to PROVE he can be nice? As you're so adamant, put your money where your mouth is.
For information purposes, you might wnat to know they never spent one day in adult prison.

ConcernedofLoughton says...
8:14am Tue 16 Mar 10

I cant believe that there are people on here that think two 10 year olds should have been hanged, what kind of country would we live in then? Do you really think it is reasonable for the state to execute children?
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Some of the other people posting on here seem to have lost the plot. When you start mentioning things like "are you happy to have Thompson babysit your kids" and think this is somehow a valid arguement then its clear that the opinion of the general public is one of hysteria and based on anger.
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No one on here condones what these kids did, it is truly shocking, but to suggest that they shouldnt have the chance to be rehabilitated is just plain wrong IMO.

SE9,10,18 says...
10:12am Tue 16 Mar 10

You cannot rehabilitate a person that is so obviously twisted and mentally unstable. I really think some people that defend these 2 monsters need to google James Bulger murder and read the details that are too horrific for the press to publish. The things they did were not accidental. They didnt push him over once, bump his head and as a tragic consequence James died. James was subjected to hours of fear, walked to a train track where he was TORTURED and left for dead. His poor body was then cut in two after these savages placed him over a train track in a sick attempt to make this look accidental. Each boy blamed each other indicating they were fully aware that what they done was WRONG. I dont agree that two 10 year old boys should hang. But at 10 they were very aware of cause and affect. It is not hysteria to ask "are you happy to have Thompson babysit your kids" because with anonimity you would never know. Incarceration is the only solution in my opinion - they should serve some hard time in adult prison. Afterall they served their sentence up until now in a glorified childrens home. These two monsters gave no concern for James or his human rights and have never shown remorse. Why should we care about them? Let them rot.

ConcernedofLoughton says...
10:35am Tue 16 Mar 10

So you should deny them and others who have committed similar crimes any chance for rehabilitation at all? As far as I am aware we dont know what has happened to the other boy so he could well be returning to a somewhat 'normal' member of society. If there is no hope of rehabilitation then surely its easier to just give the death penalty and save a prison space?
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I think most people agree that they should have been locked away for a very long time and in much more harsh conditions that are currently given to inmates in all prisons.
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Your mention of anonimity is quite valid but that wasnt the context in which the initial quote about the babysitting came from.

deptfordborn&bred says...
11:25am Tue 16 Mar 10

jca111 i completely disagree with you at the end of the day 10 years old or not they were aware of what they were doing as everyone else has said it was premedated all the other peodos and murderers are looked away in broadmoor for being sick in the head a term that is nether correct or wrong it is in my opinoion that people do need to know his identity because if he was put away for murdering a child then returned to prison for posessing child **** whats to say he wont or has not indecently violated a child we paid for him to have a new identity and his kicked us in the teeth what you need to do is rememeber that a mother and father as lost their child because of someone like the man that is in question in this article its time to go back to the facts a boy froma deprived child hood does not have the right to take a life for fun or reinactment and should be punished look at figures from the past. they are either dead or serving life not free to roam the streets under new identitys as for rehabilitating him its been done already and all it did was give him the freedom tolook at graphic child images which are stated in the sun. everyone needs to look back and get the facts before they have a n opinion especially ones that support them they are evil and should be locked away to see what it slike under hmp service. orison is the only option. they wont let the yorkshire ripper out why shoulld this man be any different

NSC says...
2:43pm Tue 16 Mar 10

SE9,10,18 wrote:
You cannot rehabilitate a person that is so obviously twisted and mentally unstable. I really think some people that defend these 2 monsters need to google James Bulger murder and read the details that are too horrific for the press to publish. The things they did were not accidental. They didnt push him over once, bump his head and as a tragic consequence James died. James was subjected to hours of fear, walked to a train track where he was TORTURED and left for dead. His poor body was then cut in two after these savages placed him over a train track in a sick attempt to make this look accidental. Each boy blamed each other indicating they were fully aware that what they done was WRONG. I dont agree that two 10 year old boys should hang. But at 10 they were very aware of cause and affect. It is not hysteria to ask "are you happy to have Thompson babysit your kids" because with anonimity you would never know. Incarceration is the only solution in my opinion - they should serve some hard time in adult prison. Afterall they served their sentence up until now in a glorified childrens home. These two monsters gave no concern for James or his human rights and have never shown remorse. Why should we care about them? Let them rot.
Well said

bizzymum says...
7:24pm Thu 18 Mar 10

Jca, Why do you think Ian Brady and Myra Hindley were not rehabilitated then? Life should really mean life - or do you prefer that they murdered kids and served a bit of time, then got released on licence, murdered some more kids again and then got recallled? Some people (not all) are totally beyond help. Venables and Thompson knew exactly what they were doing. For God sake the 'Great Train Robbers' served more time than them and Jack Straw put as much effort into keeping Ronnie Biggs behind bars as he has done keeping Venables anonimity. Why?


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