Olatokunbo Fasina, Alieu Jallow and Sheku Kamara were jailed for a total of 21 years
THREE men have been sentenced to a total of 21 years in jail for a series of armed robberies in Bexley.
The gang targeted victims in Abbey Wood and Thamesmead during a spate of robberies last November.
Victims were threatened at gunpoint, and had credit cards, cash and other valuables stolen. They were also forced to give their PINs to the robbers.
Sheku Kamara, aged 20, of Godstow Road, Abbey Wood, was sentenced to eight years in prison at Woolwich Crown Couort on Thursday (May 1).
Alieu Jallow, aged 19, of Wolvercote Road, Abbey Wood, was also given an eight-year sentence and Olatokunbo Fasina, aged 18, of Maran Way, Erith, was jailed for five years.
The men were charged with robbery and possession of a firearm with intent to cause fear of violence.
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They were convicted after a trial.
In passing sentence, the judge described the robbers' actions as "intentional banditry of the worst order."
and we thought that goverment were coming down hard on criminals.these three should be sent back from where they came,obviuosly they are imigrants and there for should be sent back from where they came.there has got to be zero tolerence for knives and guns.a minimum of 10 years if you are caught with either.
and we thought that goverment were coming down hard on criminals.these three should be sent back from where they came,obviuosly they are imigrants and there for should be sent back from where they came.there has got to be zero tolerence for knives and guns.a minimum of 10 years if you are caught with either.
If we sent them back home, it would be a matter of days before they scammed dodgy passports, and got through this governments pathetic immigration controls and be back on the streets before we know it. At least in jail they are off our streets.
If we sent them back home, it would be a matter of days before they scammed dodgy passports, and got through this governments pathetic immigration controls and be back on the streets before we know it. At least in jail they are off our streets.
Posted by: Harry Brown, Belvedere on 5:27pm Sun 4 May 08
[quote][bold]Danny[/bold] wrote:
I think the names give it away a bit 'me of Gravesend'[/quote] Not really 'Danny of Bexley'. Just because they have foreign sounding names doesn't automatically mean they are immigrants. They might well be as British as you are for all you know - in fact, maybe you're an immigrant yourself?
Danny wrote:
I think the names give it away a bit 'me of Gravesend'
Not really 'Danny of Bexley'. Just because they have foreign sounding names doesn't automatically mean they are immigrants. They might well be as British as you are for all you know - in fact, maybe you're an immigrant yourself?
send them back to whatever place the dirty scum came from. im sick of it. they wont think there the big hard men once they get in prison. hopefully they get a beaten for wot they've done! it p*sses me off
send them back to whatever place the dirty scum came from. im sick of it. they wont think there the big hard men once they get in prison. hopefully they get a beaten for wot they've done! it p*sses me off
yet more robberies,guns and knives..this lot just can't help themselves its happening all over london...send them back to the country of origin..why should hardworking people have these thugs take wot they have worked hard for..
yet more robberies,guns and knives..this lot just can't help themselves its happening all over london...send them back to the country of origin..why should hardworking people have these thugs take wot they have worked hard for..
Posted by: Mick, Walderslade on 8:12am Mon 5 May 08
Not only should they be deported if they are 2nd / 3rd generation immigrants deport the parents as well! All the time this country takes the do gooder, softly softly approach nothing will change, and as we know these places are becoming no go areas... so guardian readers what is your solution?
Not only should they be deported if they are 2nd / 3rd generation immigrants deport the parents as well! All the time this country takes the do gooder, softly softly approach nothing will change, and as we know these places are becoming no go areas... so guardian readers what is your solution?
Posted by: george, abbey wood on 8:15am Mon 5 May 08
[quote][bold]You[/bold] wrote:
If these lot robbed you how would describe them? Two of them look incredibly similar in features.[/quote] Thats probably how they got here in the first place. ONE dodgy passport for the lot.
You wrote:
If these lot robbed you how would describe them? Two of them look incredibly similar in features.
Thats probably how they got here in the first place. ONE dodgy passport for the lot.
Posted by: In the know, Near by on 9:16am Mon 5 May 08
Just to point out both the areas above are on the Thamesmead estate (SE2 & DA18 postodes). They also have african names, so I wouldn't be surprised if the were something to do with T-Block. Was only the other week people from the gang mentioned above robbed a 15 year old of his chain & mobile and kicked the crap out of him... in front of Community Support officers who did nothing. These people get away with anything it seems, so at least it's nice to see 3 of the t*ssers go down.
Just to point out both the areas above are on the Thamesmead estate (SE2 & DA18 postodes). They also have african names, so I wouldn't be surprised if the were something to do with T-Block. Was only the other week people from the gang mentioned above robbed a 15 year old of his chain & mobile and kicked the crap out of him... in front of Community Support officers who did nothing. These people get away with anything it seems, so at least it's nice to see 3 of the t*ssers go down.
Posted by: theword, here and there on 10:54am Mon 5 May 08
[quote][bold]Me[/bold] wrote:
Andy how exactly do you know that they are immigrants????? i think your mums an immigrant[/quote] immigrants? black? who cares they are lowlife scum.
Me wrote:
Andy how exactly do you know that they are immigrants????? i think your mums an immigrant
immigrants? black? who cares they are lowlife scum.
Its terrible to here this. Sorry to all the victims to had to experience this. Not nice to know that these people live so close and that they are quite young.
To all those saying they are immigrants, not sure how old they are, but they cannot be 100% certain they are immigrants as they may have been born here. Thats a very ignorant thing to say to be honest but yes they deserve to be locked up untill they realise the consequence of their actions. Streets should be safer with 3 less criminnals around.
Its terrible to here this. Sorry to all the victims to had to experience this. Not nice to know that these people live so close and that they are quite young.
To all those saying they are immigrants, not sure how old they are, but they cannot be 100% certain they are immigrants as they may have been born here. Thats a very ignorant thing to say to be honest but yes they deserve to be locked up untill they realise the consequence of their actions. Streets should be safer with 3 less criminnals around.
Posted by: Let's Agree To Differ on 7:52pm Mon 5 May 08
Those of you who say they should be deported do you feel the same way about the pickpocket sisters? If so why aren't you leaving comments there too? After all their names sound foreign or could colour be the real issue?
Those of you who say they should be deported do you feel the same way about the pickpocket sisters? If so why aren't you leaving comments there too? After all their names sound foreign or could colour be the real issue?
Posted by: Worker, Taxpayer on 11:17pm Mon 5 May 08
[quote][bold]Let's Agree To Differ[/bold] wrote:
Those of you who say they should be deported do you feel the same way about the pickpocket sisters? If so why aren't you leaving comments there too? After all their names sound foreign or could colour be the real issue?[/quote] No-one feels the same way about the two crimes because they are totally different.
Sorry to disappoint you but you are trying to compare pickpockets with violent gunmen.
Put your race card away, it's not relevant as usual.
Let's Agree To Differ wrote:
Those of you who say they should be deported do you feel the same way about the pickpocket sisters? If so why aren't you leaving comments there too? After all their names sound foreign or could colour be the real issue?
No-one feels the same way about the two crimes because they are totally different.
Sorry to disappoint you but you are trying to compare pickpockets with violent gunmen.
Put your race card away, it's not relevant as usual.
Posted by: Let's Agree To Differ on 11:46pm Mon 5 May 08
Of course it's relevant when people accept sentencing for white offenders but demand deportation for black offenders regardless of whether they where born in this country.
Unfortunately many people can't see past colour and will react very differently to crimes based on the colour of the person.
When I told people that my son had been mugged the first thing every said was not 'is your son ok?' but 'was he (the mugger) black? 'The assumption being that all muggers are black males. They didn't seem to know what to say when I said the mugger was white.
The two stories here although not identical (and I never claimed they were) highlight that criminals are male/female black/white. We should focus on what a suitable punishment is for the 'crime' not for the particular criminal based on our prejudices. That's what we call justice.
If the report had said three men were sentenced and hadn't given their names or shown their pictures the posts may have been very different.
By the way I don't have a race card to put away. I guess from that statement that you think I am black, maybe I am, maybe I'm not, is it relevant? Are you prejudging or just stereotyping? Put your prejudices away, they are not relevant as usual.
Of course it's relevant when people accept sentencing for white offenders but demand deportation for black offenders regardless of whether they where born in this country.
Unfortunately many people can't see past colour and will react very differently to crimes based on the colour of the person.
When I told people that my son had been mugged the first thing every said was not 'is your son ok?' but 'was he (the mugger) black? 'The assumption being that all muggers are black males. They didn't seem to know what to say when I said the mugger was white.
The two stories here although not identical (and I never claimed they were) highlight that criminals are male/female black/white. We should focus on what a suitable punishment is for the 'crime' not for the particular criminal based on our prejudices. That's what we call justice.
If the report had said three men were sentenced and hadn't given their names or shown their pictures the posts may have been very different.
By the way I don't have a race card to put away. I guess from that statement that you think I am black, maybe I am, maybe I'm not, is it relevant? Are you prejudging or just stereotyping? Put your prejudices away, they are not relevant as usual.
It's fairly obvious from the area this happened in that these African named (probably Nigerian) people where more than likely not born here.
I'm not one to pick on any particular race, but when you have Black, White and Asian people moaning about 'African gangs' in the Thamesmead/Abbeywood area you know that this isn't a race thing.
Anyone who wasn't born here who commits a crime within the 1st 10 years of living in this country should be sent back, especially something such as gunpoint robbery.
There's enough dodgy English people (of all races) without immigrants adding to it.
If they were born here fair enough, but I'd be willing to bet they weren't.
It's fairly obvious from the area this happened in that these African named (probably Nigerian) people where more than likely not born here.
I'm not one to pick on any particular race, but when you have Black, White and Asian people moaning about 'African gangs' in the Thamesmead/Abbeywood area you know that this isn't a race thing.
Anyone who wasn't born here who commits a crime within the 1st 10 years of living in this country should be sent back, especially something such as gunpoint robbery.
There's enough dodgy English people (of all races) without immigrants adding to it.
If they were born here fair enough, but I'd be willing to bet they weren't.
Posted by: David Radford, Londonistan on 7:47am Tue 6 May 08
They are obviously immigrants. Is Nick Griffin Chinese? Is he African? Is Felicity Kendall Indian? She was born in India - would you describe her as 'Indian'? I doubt it.
We can all see what happens in every 'enriched' area in this country - the only way to stop our rapid descent into a hate-filled, third world country, is to vote BNP. (When I say 'hate-filled', I'm referring to the immigrants, who clearly HATE us.)
They are obviously immigrants. Is Nick Griffin Chinese? Is he African? Is Felicity Kendall Indian? She was born in India - would you describe her as 'Indian'? I doubt it.
We can all see what happens in every 'enriched' area in this country - the only way to stop our rapid descent into a hate-filled, third world country, is to vote BNP. (When I say 'hate-filled', I'm referring to the immigrants, who clearly HATE us.)
Posted by: David Radford, Londonistan on 7:49am Tue 6 May 08
'Let's Agree to Differ' - I take it you realise that MOST muggers are non-white? What do you have to say about that? I'm sure it doesn't fit in with your liberal hand-wringing fantasy view of the world - tough. The rest of us have to LIVE with these vile people reproducing among us, taking over OUR country. We were never asked. Why do you think that's okay?
'Let's Agree to Differ' - I take it you realise that MOST muggers are non-white? What do you have to say about that? I'm sure it doesn't fit in with your liberal hand-wringing fantasy view of the world - tough. The rest of us have to LIVE with these vile people reproducing among us, taking over OUR country. We were never asked. Why do you think that's okay?
[quote][bold]Let's Agree To Differ[/bold] wrote:
Those of you who say they should be deported do you feel the same way about the pickpocket sisters? If so why aren't you leaving comments there too? After all their names sound foreign or could colour be the real issue?[/quote] There you go again, the only person that mentioned the colour of skin was you, all to familiar im afraid. How can you compare the pickpockets to violent gun wielding scumbags. what would you have said if the sisters were also black ? Mcdonagh doesnt sound like an immigrants surname to me, maybe im missing something, Alatokunbo Fasina is an immigrants name if ever ive heard one its definately not British. Any immigrants break our laws send them back to where they or there parents come from, so what if there country is a war zone its there own fault maybe they will think twice next time. Why should we look after them in our prisons at the cost of the taxpayer!! DONT WE PAY ENOUGH ALREADY FOR THESE SCUMBAGS ??
Let's Agree To Differ wrote:
Those of you who say they should be deported do you feel the same way about the pickpocket sisters? If so why aren't you leaving comments there too? After all their names sound foreign or could colour be the real issue?
There you go again, the only person that mentioned the colour of skin was you, all to familiar im afraid. How can you compare the pickpockets to violent gun wielding scumbags. what would you have said if the sisters were also black ? Mcdonagh doesnt sound like an immigrants surname to me, maybe im missing something, Alatokunbo Fasina is an immigrants name if ever ive heard one its definately not British. Any immigrants break our laws send them back to where they or there parents come from, so what if there country is a war zone its there own fault maybe they will think twice next time. Why should we look after them in our prisons at the cost of the taxpayer!! DONT WE PAY ENOUGH ALREADY FOR THESE SCUMBAGS ??
Posted by: Fed up, Orpington on 11:50am Tue 6 May 08
To 'Lets agree to differ' - Maybe if you were mugged (like myself) by a group of black males and then told by a police officer that 96% of muggings are black people on white then you would understand why so many people asked if your sons attackers were black. I am not at all racist but when you have these facts put in front of you and all you hear on the news is either black on white or black on black crime then you cant help to stereo type.
Ok white people arent innocent, i live in Orpington where the majority of people are white and the crime is sky high so im not saying its all black people but when it comes to these type of news articles its all we seem to hear
To 'Lets agree to differ' - Maybe if you were mugged (like myself) by a group of black males and then told by a police officer that 96% of muggings are black people on white then you would understand why so many people asked if your sons attackers were black. I am not at all racist but when you have these facts put in front of you and all you hear on the news is either black on white or black on black crime then you cant help to stereo type.
Ok white people arent innocent, i live in Orpington where the majority of people are white and the crime is sky high so im not saying its all black people but when it comes to these type of news articles its all we seem to hear
bout time these lowlifes got jailed 8 yrs is pathetic theyll be out in 3-4 yrs to strike again they are immigrants and they are from t-block as i was from thamesmead i used to live next dr to mr fasina
bout time these lowlifes got jailed 8 yrs is pathetic theyll be out in 3-4 yrs to strike again they are immigrants and they are from t-block as i was from thamesmead i used to live next dr to mr fasina
Posted by: Let's Agree To Differ on 9:22pm Tue 6 May 08
Oh dear oh dear you don't have to state skin colour to be thinking it. Judgements have been made based on the facts that the men were black with African names. I hate to upset you all but that does not mean that they cannot be British. I compared it to the McDonagh case as that name could quite easily have its roots in southern Ireland, therefore they too may not be British.
So are you saying deport all criminals whose ancestry is not British if so I don't have a problem with that as it is a consistent and fairly applied view point. If however you cannot even see the logic behind deporting someone with an Irish name then I can only assume that skin colour is the only motive. And yes that is racist whether you care to admit it or not.
Nationality is your place of birth not your parentage or colour. So if Felicity Kendall was born in India why can't she be Indian, David? Or are you saying because she is white she can't be?
Oh dear oh dear you don't have to state skin colour to be thinking it. Judgements have been made based on the facts that the men were black with African names. I hate to upset you all but that does not mean that they cannot be British. I compared it to the McDonagh case as that name could quite easily have its roots in southern Ireland, therefore they too may not be British.
So are you saying deport all criminals whose ancestry is not British if so I don't have a problem with that as it is a consistent and fairly applied view point. If however you cannot even see the logic behind deporting someone with an Irish name then I can only assume that skin colour is the only motive. And yes that is racist whether you care to admit it or not.
Nationality is your place of birth not your parentage or colour. So if Felicity Kendall was born in India why can't she be Indian, David? Or are you saying because she is white she can't be?
Who gives a **** what colour they were, they are scumbags I couldn't careless if they were blue, pink or green. I'm just glad they are locked up and off our streets the filth.
Who gives a **** what colour they were, they are scumbags I couldn't careless if they were blue, pink or green. I'm just glad they are locked up and off our streets the filth.
love the post people keep it up lets start to get the scumbags out.
i put a great big cross in the bnp box and it felt good.
if thay cant play by the rules get them out.
and 'lets agree to differ' you can go too you dick.
love the post people keep it up lets start to get the scumbags out.
i put a great big cross in the bnp box and it felt good.
if thay cant play by the rules get them out.
and 'lets agree to differ' you can go too you dick.
Just to let you all know that I happen to know one of them went to Private school and was born here.
I'm not saying they dont deserve what they got if anything they should be sent away for longer, but don't judge too early
Just to let you all know that I happen to know one of them went to Private school and was born here.
I'm not saying they dont deserve what they got if anything they should be sent away for longer, but don't judge too early
Shame this article doesn't state that these people were robbed at gun-point IN THEIR OWN HOMES.
Pity some people are so greedy,they're not content with what they've got,they have to burst in to peoples homes and take what little they have, whilst terrorising them and their children..SCUM EIGHT YEARS IS NOT ENOUGH.
Shame this article doesn't state that these people were robbed at gun-point IN THEIR OWN HOMES.
Pity some people are so greedy,they're not content with what they've got,they have to burst in to peoples homes and take what little they have, whilst terrorising them and their children..SCUM EIGHT YEARS IS NOT ENOUGH.
Posted by: Deepthroat, Thamesmead on 12:38am Thu 8 May 08
I knew one of the 3 personally while at school and he was great, won the cross country every year, ran for greenwich, had trials at many clubs for football and even played for charlton...its a shame to see him fall so far
I knew one of the 3 personally while at school and he was great, won the cross country every year, ran for greenwich, had trials at many clubs for football and even played for charlton...its a shame to see him fall so far
Lets-agree-to-differ you was the one that brought up race first nobody else ! I bet the mcdonagh sisters ( who are also scum ) family history is a lot more british than MR Fasinas so take those blinkers off, your boring people with your excuses for immigrants. Why dont you find a hole to crawl in and stay there !!
Lets-agree-to-differ you was the one that brought up race first nobody else ! I bet the mcdonagh sisters ( who are also scum ) family history is a lot more british than MR Fasinas so take those blinkers off, your boring people with your excuses for immigrants. Why dont you find a hole to crawl in and stay there !!
just thought id say i know one of these people he went to my school which was a private school he was not an immigrant he was born in Lambeth and played for charlton and watford for a bit he obviously just made a massive mistake which could have happened to anybody it has nothing to do with the colour of his skin so stop being so racist, not that they dont deserve to be jailed, but there's no need to turn into a racist
just thought id say i know one of these people he went to my school which was a private school he was not an immigrant he was born in Lambeth and played for charlton and watford for a bit he obviously just made a massive mistake which could have happened to anybody it has nothing to do with the colour of his skin so stop being so racist, not that they dont deserve to be jailed, but there's no need to turn into a racist
Posted by: Let's Agree To Differ on 7:37pm Thu 8 May 08
Smiffy, if you anything about me you would know that holes are not my thing, I'm much more into (or onto) fences. But thank you for the advice anyway.
I didn't know that we could rate people in varying degrees of Britishness. Does that mean that the least Brtish get deported further?
Smiffy, if you anything about me you would know that holes are not my thing, I'm much more into (or onto) fences. But thank you for the advice anyway.
I didn't know that we could rate people in varying degrees of Britishness. Does that mean that the least Brtish get deported further?
[bold]I love how uninformed people here are - I can guarantee that Sheku is as much a British citizen as all the people calling for his deportation...he was a year above me at scholl and was on the books at Charlton, went on loan to Watford and played for Grays I think.
Get your facts straight before you make wild accusations :)
Oh...and the school? An independent school in South East London.[/bold]
I love how uninformed people here are - I can guarantee that Sheku is as much a British citizen as all the people calling for his deportation...he was a year above me at scholl and was on the books at Charlton, went on loan to Watford and played for Grays I think.
Get your facts straight before you make wild accusations :)
Oh...and the school? An independent school in South East London.
I can also vouch that at least Sheku Kamara was born and bred in London. It is sad indeed to see this, he deserves his sentence, but there should be just as great an effort to find out why these people do this. It is truly sad to see that at the age of 20 someone messes up his life.
I can also vouch that at least Sheku Kamara was born and bred in London. It is sad indeed to see this, he deserves his sentence, but there should be just as great an effort to find out why these people do this. It is truly sad to see that at the age of 20 someone messes up his life.
Posted by: ashamed Brit, Bexley on 1:09pm Mon 12 May 08
It's shameful to read so many racist comments. These men are bad because of their crime and nothing else - a decent person judges someone by how they find them and not their colour or religion. As for pathetic sentences - the 4 vile white men who killed Stephen Lawrence didn't even get a sentence!
It's shameful to read so many racist comments. These men are bad because of their crime and nothing else - a decent person judges someone by how they find them and not their colour or religion. As for pathetic sentences - the 4 vile white men who killed Stephen Lawrence didn't even get a sentence!
Sheku Kamara went to the same school as me, which is a private school (colfe's school), and was born in the UK! no need to get racist just because a black person has done something wrong. He had great potential in life and spent time on the books at Charlton and Watford. He obviously had a bad patch and has made some mistakes, but he's paying for them now, and the main thing to consider is that no one was killed, and racism should be kept quiet....
Sheku Kamara went to the same school as me, which is a private school (colfe's school), and was born in the UK! no need to get racist just because a black person has done something wrong. He had great potential in life and spent time on the books at Charlton and Watford. He obviously had a bad patch and has made some mistakes, but he's paying for them now, and the main thing to consider is that no one was killed, and racism should be kept quiet....
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