my little girl was at the princes royal hospital not that long a go. on the childrens ward..
she stayed for 10 days.
and the clean ness of the room was terrible there was dust every where, i asked for cleaning wipes so i could clean the room..
then cleaner came in once a week, and i had to tell her where it needed it.
i did leave a wipe on the floor for the doctors and cleaners to see , and when the doctors see it thay told me to take it up with a cleaner.
And almost every cleaner doesnt really understand english..

my little girl got MRSA and thay tryed to tell me she came in to the hospital with it, but there was no sin of it on my son who has bad excema!!
all that wanted to do was to get it off of there side, i think it is teribble.

Thay are sopose to give the room a clean from top to bottom, to stop infection, thay started the cleaning in the morning when we was still in the room..

the clean ing in that hospital is terrrible the cleaners are rod ..

Well, until we all do something to eliminate this hapening, nothing will change.Under staffed, bad dead wood management.This has been going on for some time now.The nurses and doctors, I have admiration for.The management structure, I do not.To many chiefs, not enough Indians.That's where the problem lies. Not just in the NHS, but everywhere.Contact local councils, Mp's etc.BOMBARD them with complaints. THEY are here to serve us.

miss h jones wrote:
my little girl was at the princes royal hospital not that long a go. on the childrens ward.. she stayed for 10 days. and the clean ness of the room was terrible there was dust every where, i asked for cleaning wipes so i could clean the room.. then cleaner came in once a week, and i had to tell her where it needed it. i did leave a wipe on the floor for the doctors and cleaners to see , and when the doctors see it thay told me to take it up with a cleaner. And almost every cleaner doesnt really understand english.. my little girl got MRSA and thay tryed to tell me she came in to the hospital with it, but there was no sin of it on my son who has bad excema!! all that wanted to do was to get it off of there side, i think it is teribble. Thay are sopose to give the room a clean from top to bottom, to stop infection, thay started the cleaning in the morning when we was still in the room.. the clean ing in that hospital is terrrible the cleaners are rod ..

Im not sure what you are saying.Your children seem to be both Ill." I left a wipe on the floor", WHY?Pick it up!
This is a free service.Could I also ask where you come from, as your English does not seem to be so good.

I had a stay in Farnborogh hospital in 2004 for a D&C. I was in a room of my own with an en-suite and in side the bathroom were dirty towels just thrown on the floor.

That's why you are in Spain ! You have to pay for services there.This country is over burdened with Free NHS,what do you expect.We have all beeen to the doctors, for an appointment, but everyone in the room, looks fit and healthy.Try looking at Catherine Tate scetch, nails it on the head!

when my hubby was in there a few years ago it was fine - no complaints. shame it seems to have gone down hill

A few years ago my step dad had a stroke and was in the princess royal.While waiting to go onto the stroke ward he was in another ward that was absolutely filthy.On one visit to see him i noticed some urine had been spilt on the floor,i know it was urine as i saw it being spilt and thought that some one would come and mop it up soon,we waited and nothing happened and when we went back to visit the next day it was still there,dried but still there.I did mention this to a nurse and was told she was to busy and to take it up with a cleaner. I tried this but the one i found could'nt talk English.I do believe that the cleaning should go back to how it was years ago or let us maybe older ladies go in and give it a good going over.

No Mark it is not a free service. I have been paying all my working life towards it. It is only free to benefit scroungers and foreigners!

And get a grip mate - people don't just go to the doctors when they are crawling along on all fours. Believe it or not, you don't have to look ill to have something wrong with you. A friend of mine has terminal cancer but actually looks quite well. Do you begruge her a visit to the doctors??? Or do you sit there in the waiting room giving her evil looks because she doesn't quite suit your idea of people who should be visiting the doctor!

Why on earth aren't people on benefits made to clean hospitals???? It would be at no extra expense because they are being paid already.

There are so many people "looking for work" out there, and single parents have 6 hours to spare a day while their children are at school.

Ideal solution.

Me wrote:
No Mark it is not a free service. I have been paying all my working life towards it. It is only free to benefit scroungers and foreigners! And get a grip mate - people don\\\'t just go to the doctors when they are crawling along on all fours. Believe it or not, you don\\\'t have to look ill to have something wrong with you. A friend of mine has terminal cancer but actually looks quite well. Do you begruge her a visit to the doctors??? Or do you sit there in the waiting room giving her evil looks because she doesn\\\'t quite suit your idea of people who should be visiting the doctor!

Im am talking about Spain!When I have been to the doctors( about 12 years ago), it seemed to me there were alot of people that did not need to be there.A cough or cold, we have all seen it.The free service is here, not in Spain( I have put that in again, incase you did not get my drift.

If you all don't like the way the hosiptals are cleaned then why don't you help out by getting of your butt and become a cleaner?!?

mark wrote:

Me wrote: No Mark it is not a free service. I have been paying all my working life towards it. It is only free to benefit scroungers and foreigners! And get a grip mate - people don\\\'t just go to the doctors when they are crawling along on all fours. Believe it or not, you don\\\'t have to look ill to have something wrong with you. A friend of mine has terminal cancer but actually looks quite well. Do you begruge her a visit to the doctors??? Or do you sit there in the waiting room giving her evil looks because she doesn\\\'t quite suit your idea of people who should be visiting the doctor!

Im am talking about Spain!When I have been to the doctors( about 12 years ago), it seemed to me there were alot of people that did not need to be there.A cough or cold, we have all seen it.The free service is here, not in Spain( I have put that in again, incase you did not get my drift.

Yes, I knew what you were saying and again I say it is not a free service here. Again I say I have been paying into it (the NHS) all my working life in National Insurance contributions.

It is not free to people who work and contribute to it from their wages, the ones who pay towards it out of their wage packet every week.

It is only free to benefit scroungers and foreigners who don't contribute towards it.

Become a cleaner in a hospital, for the money they recieve and the risks they take, it is beyond sensible, If Gospital cleaning was ever properly risk assesed it would be too dangerous a job to be done

Sophie wrote:
If you all don't like the way the hosiptals are cleaned then why don't you help out by getting of your butt and become a cleaner?!?

Because the cleaners are being paid public money to do it!

I'm already "off my butt" and working hard. Why should I do their job too just because it's not done properly???

Some of the comments above seem to be made by people who may not have experienced what it is like at the PRUH. Until you have had a stay in the hospital, or been in A&E - don't comment!

Telling people to get off their but and clean the hospital themselves, well that seems stupid when people are being paid to do it, but not doing it properly. Not all of us sit around on our lorrels waiting to complain about the hospital. As a matter of fact, a lot of us work hard to pay for a service we expect to be a good one. One that will make us better - not worse!

On Friday 25th Jan, I went to A&E with terrible tummy cramps. Having suffered with blockages in the past, it was imperititve I got it checked out. When there, I noticed that there is only 1 toilet servicing the A&E waiting area. Thats one in total for male, female and disabled. That doesn't seem right at all.

When entering the toilet there was blood drops all over the floor, not just a few - loads! There was poo smeared on the inside, and strangely the outside of the toilet. The tiny basin had some brown smears on it too, but not sure what that was.

I had to cover the loo with paper before using it, and used a paper towel to touch the flush and the basin tap!

I mentioned it to the triarge nurse who said the cleaners would be coming round shortly and she would let them know. At that point I was SHOCKED to hear that the toilet gets cleaned ONCE a day! M25 service stations get cleaned or checked every hour!!!! My office toilet gets down 4 times a day, and each time they use detergent, don't just check its clean - they actually clean it!!!

Then when needing to use the one and only toilet servicing the A&E majors unit, the floor was covered in something wet and yellow (wee?). Under the toilet seat had poo on it, and when I used a paper towel to put the seat down, the top of the seat was covered too. YUCK! I couldn't possibly sit on that, even with paper towel on it, and simply hovered. The camode next to the toilet had a soiled ben pan in it - filled with poo and wee! It was as if a nurse just put it in there without sorting it out. The basin looked like it had puke in it. I was mortified.

I am glad they didn't admit me in the end, cause as my GP said, I would definitely have gotten worse there, with my immune system being compromised as it was.

I am pleased the PRUH had a spot check done on it, and I only hope it will make a difference.

Something funny - when the cleaners went into the toilet to clean it, he said - "I bet that isn't blood, it is slightly brown - it's probably hot chocolate. I would go as far as to put my finger in it and taste it." Well, I say - good luck to you - did you not know blood goes slightly brown when it dries?

Ian Wilson, the trust's chief executive, said: "We provide safe clinical care at the PRU and we take the prevention and control of infection very seriously.

No you don't and no you don't.
Earn some of your wages by putting some gloves on and leading by example, i bet if you were put on the spot you coudn't even name one single cleaner at the hospital or know where the bleach is kept.
What is wrong with people nowdays in this country , whenever there are problems they all argue amongst each other while the people that cause them just carry on as normal getting away with it.

Yeuch! How awful for you. I suppose the first blame should go to the dirty people who make that sort of a mess and leave it there. But ultimately it should be cleaned regularly.

I say that people on benefits should be made to help clean our hospitals as it will not cost anything.

I'm sure a good few will suddenly find that elusive "job" suddenly, so it would work out well on two levels!!

It’s true, our hospitals need to have a higher standard of cleanliness. However, patients need to have an awareness of their own degree of responsibility also. Some (Not all) individuals regard an extended hospital admission as something of a holiday or a ‘break from home‘ and a chance to be waited on hand and foot. If many idle patients who actually have the ability to WALK to the bathroom (Lord knows that hip or knee replacement they had last year cost us all enough) instead of constantly calling for a commode, did so, it would eliminate some of the risks around ward cleanliness.
Visitor also need to be aware of their responsibilities around ward hygiene and cleanliness, for example when a whole family comes on to a newly cleaned ward to visit Granny.

Me-Here. I totally agree with you! I have been workin hard since i left school and yet this hard earned money is always taken away as tax and national insurance. for the amount way pay in these contributions hospitals should have enough to employ cleaners that actually do their jobs! the only people they seem to employ are immigrants that can't speak english which is a disgrace! people on benefits should also contribute to tax and NI! why should they get a free ride? if they have children in school they should be made to work part time. if they refuse, they shouldn't be allowed their benefits. if you can't offered children, don't have them! i am fed up of scroungers too! if the system was like this then the hospitals would never be short of cleaners and would always look spotless!!

Firstly- Hospitals should employ cleaners who can speak english as most don't! they need to understand complaints and solve them instead of getting out of there as quick as they can knowing they have been paid.
secondly- if the doctors are aware of how dirty the hospital is then why don't they do something about it? they just seem to get on with it instead of making complaints themselves! they should refuse to work in a dirty hospital and refuse to til its clean! something would have to be done then! they too should be looking out for the patients!

Tasha, Tasha, Tasha - get with the programme sweets, if the doctors walk out who will treat you next time you have a dicky tummy? They dont have much choice. Why dont we all volounteer a saturday each month to all go to the hospital and clean it?

xx

me wrote:
Me-Here. I totally agree with you! I have been workin hard since i left school and yet this hard earned money is always taken away as tax and national insurance. for the amount way pay in these contributions hospitals should have enough to employ cleaners that actually do their jobs! the only people they seem to employ are immigrants that can't speak english which is a disgrace! people on benefits should also contribute to tax and NI! why should they get a free ride? if they have children in school they should be made to work part time. if they refuse, they shouldn't be allowed their benefits. if you can't offered children, don't have them! i am fed up of scroungers too! if the system was like this then the hospitals would never be short of cleaners and would always look spotless!!

We not only share the same name, but the same values!!

Dear 'Me Here'
Well if you won't do the job then why do you expect others to do it??
That likes throwing your rubbish on the floor and saying if it weren't for us there would be no dustmen,
If I worked in a hospital and you started moaning I would tell you where to shove it.
If you don't like the way the cleaners clean either become a cleaner yourself or keep ya trap shut.
Your not doing your job properly are you? Spending your works time on the newsshopper website?

The real Me wrote:
Tasha, Tasha, Tasha - get with the programme sweets, if the doctors walk out who will treat you next time you have a dicky tummy? They dont have much choice. Why dont we all volounteer a saturday each month to all go to the hospital and clean it? xx

Let me get this straight. You've said "Saturday" so I assume you're talking about people who work all week? So you mean for people who work all week to then, on their precious day off, to go and do the job that someone else has already been paid to do? Sounds like a great solution to me. NOT!

There are 3 single parents in our street who are getting paid lots of taxpayers money to sit on their backsides all week. Now they are the ones who should go and clean. Earn a bit of their keep? Besides they have Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday, Friday, Saturday and Sunday off!

The real Me wrote:
Tasha, Tasha, Tasha - get with the programme sweets, if the doctors walk out who will treat you next time you have a dicky tummy? They dont have much choice. Why dont we all volounteer a saturday each month to all go to the hospital and clean it? xx

i didn't say walk out, i ment refuse to work in dirty rooms. if they refuse then theres no doctor, if no doctor then no-one gets treated which is why the hospital would not ignore it then and get it cleaned. btw if i get a 'dicky tummy' i don't go to the hospital to waste my time and hosptial budgets! i either sleep it off or buy medicine for it! and also many people work saturdays now to earn a bit more after we've been conned of tax money. plus why should we have to do someone elses job? the cleaners get paid to clean it, so leave it to them! maybe they should have a wage cut until they learn what cleaness looks like!

Sophie wrote:
Dear 'Me Here' Well if you won't do the job then why do you expect others to do it?? That likes throwing your rubbish on the floor and saying if it weren't for us there would be no dustmen, If I worked in a hospital and you started moaning I would tell you where to shove it. If you don't like the way the cleaners clean either become a cleaner yourself or keep ya trap shut. Your not doing your job properly are you? Spending your works time on the newsshopper website?

Because they get paid to do it.

What problem do you have with that?

(and I work nights by the way not that it's any of your business)

Me wrote:

The real Me wrote: Tasha, Tasha, Tasha - get with the programme sweets, if the doctors walk out who will treat you next time you have a dicky tummy? They dont have much choice. Why dont we all volounteer a saturday each month to all go to the hospital and clean it? xx

Let me get this straight. You've said "Saturday" so I assume you're talking about people who work all week? So you mean for people who work all week to then, on their precious day off, to go and do the job that someone else has already been paid to do? Sounds like a great solution to me. NOT! There are 3 single parents in our street who are getting paid lots of taxpayers money to sit on their backsides all week. Now they are the ones who should go and clean. Earn a bit of their keep? Besides they have Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday, Friday, Saturday and Sunday off!

Me Here - your attitude stinks. It was merely a suggestion....we can all carry on moaning about it or we can do something about it. You do a lot of talking, but you dont seem to be getting anywhere. I was offering up a solution which, judging by the tone of your message you did not like...and yes i do work during the week but sometimes you have to give a little bit back. Ps - who cares how many single parents are in your street and what on earth has that got to do with a dirty hospital. You seem like big silly billy to me.

Take a chill pill Winston.

xx

Sophie, you are talking absolute twaddle.

For a start it's illegal to throw rubbish on the floor. I put mine in bins out for dustman provided out of my council tax payments thanks.

Are you saying it's too much to expect our hospitals to have BASIC levels of cleanliness, such as cr@p wiped off of toilets and blood mopped up off the floor?

How ridiculous to say if we don't like it we should get off our 'butts' and do it ourselves. My butt is too busy working to pay taxes which provide the NHS which seems to be totally incapable of something so simple as cleanliness.

What baffels me is how a foreigner becomes employed within the NHS without speaking/writing English. The forms to complete are ususally 7 pages long, and you must follow the procedure correctly(i.e. black ink for starters) before you would even be considered for shortlist. Something is not right to begin with. Cleaners, like any other job should not be fround upon but the line manager is not doing his/her job properly. I have noticed that a large percentage of foreigners do not like doing this type of work but in reality they probably cannot get a job to this standard in their own country and are **** lucky to be able to get work within the UK. Wish our government would wake up and stop this mess. Deport immigrants and get rid of anybody who wasn't born within the UK. Then get the British jobless to work and see what it is like to earn money and support your family. Gain some self respect and have a lesson in basic manners and how to treat your fellowman. It would make this world a better place to live in and everyone would jog along a lot happier.

The real Me wrote:

Me wrote:

The real Me wrote: Tasha, Tasha, Tasha - get with the programme sweets, if the doctors walk out who will treat you next time you have a dicky tummy? They dont have much choice. Why dont we all volounteer a saturday each month to all go to the hospital and clean it? xx

Let me get this straight. You\'ve said \"Saturday\" so I assume you\'re talking about people who work all week? So you mean for people who work all week to then, on their precious day off, to go and do the job that someone else has already been paid to do? Sounds like a great solution to me. NOT! There are 3 single parents in our street who are getting paid lots of taxpayers money to sit on their backsides all week. Now they are the ones who should go and clean. Earn a bit of their keep? Besides they have Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday, Friday, Saturday and Sunday off!

Me Here - your attitude stinks. It was merely a suggestion....we can all carry on moaning about it or we can do something about it. You do a lot of talking, but you dont seem to be getting anywhere. I was offering up a solution which, judging by the tone of your message you did not like...and yes i do work during the week but sometimes you have to give a little bit back. Ps - who cares how many single parents are in your street and what on earth has that got to do with a dirty hospital. You seem like big silly billy to me. Take a chill pill Winston. xx

My attitude stinks?

People are dying of infections from hospital admissions because the people, Hospital Cleaners, who are PAID to do a job, are not doing their job properly and as a consequence our hospitals are filthy.

Read the story relating to these comments.

And people on benefits and single parents who don't work are the ones who need to "give a little back". They are the Takers and they have the time on their hands.

Me wrote:
Why on earth aren't people on benefits made to clean hospitals???? It would be at no extra expense because they are being paid already. There are so many people "looking for work" out there, and single parents have 6 hours to spare a day while their children are at school. Ideal solution.

Who do you think you are saying single parents should do the cleaning. Not all us single parents like being single parents. And saying we have 6 hours everyday how do you work that out then when i have a 3 year old shall i get him to clean with me would that suit you

Yeah they get paid for their job but if your going to moan about how their standards of cleaning is then why don't you become a cleaner during the day then if you work nights?

Jayne wrote:

Me wrote: Why on earth aren't people on benefits made to clean hospitals???? It would be at no extra expense because they are being paid already. There are so many people "looking for work" out there, and single parents have 6 hours to spare a day while their children are at school. Ideal solution.

Who do you think you are saying single parents should do the cleaning. Not all us single parents like being single parents. And saying we have 6 hours everyday how do you work that out then when i have a 3 year old shall i get him to clean with me would that suit you

she didn't mention single parents, she didn't even say those on benefits should all do the cleaning. she was just explaining something which i agree with to a certain point.
those who have hardly ever worked and yet on benefits should be given jobs (e.g cleaning) with exeption of those with children not in school yet. if they have worked then they should be allowed benefits up until they have received the total sum of tax they have paid. atleast then it will seem we get the money back which we have earned. cleaning could be an ideal job for those with children as it would be flexible hrs and is a way to work for your money so everyone is considered equal. that way there would be much less unemployed people!

oh come on leave the single parents alone for god sake.It seems that every time some thing happens it's the single parents that get it in the neck.I was a single parent of 3 boys all of which had the same father in case anybody made a coment about that.I was living with my ex partner for years for him to say he didn't want to be with me anymore and that he didn't want to see our boys again as he felt they had been forced on him so don't blame all single parents for being on there own and don't use single parents when you have'nt got a valid argument.

I am so sick of hearing about how immigrants get a free ride. The comment "Deport immigrants and get rid of anybody who wasn't born within the UK" was especially harsh. I have been living in the UK for 7 years and have worked every one of them. I pay my taxes like everyone else. Why should I have to go? Not a very fair comment IMHO.

Sophie wrote:
Yeah they get paid for their job but if your going to moan about how their standards of cleaning is then why don't you become a cleaner during the day then if you work nights?

Sophie,

You sound like a very naive individual- the reason we should expect these people to do their jobs properly is because this is what they are being paid and employed to do! Is that not the general idea when you go for a job- that you do it to the best of your ability and according to the standards set out by your organisation. If a doctor did not do his job properly do we then advise everyone to get of their backsides and go to medical school??? i think not! As for those making comments about people wasting time on newshopper websites- we are all here and for our own personal reasons! Everyone has a right to an opinion- its called a democracy people!

jacqui wrote:
oh come on leave the single parents alone for god sake.It seems that every time some thing happens it's the single parents that get it in the neck.I was a single parent of 3 boys all of which had the same father in case anybody made a coment about that.I was living with my ex partner for years for him to say he didn't want to be with me anymore and that he didn't want to see our boys again as he felt they had been forced on him so don't blame all single parents for being on there own and don't use single parents when you have'nt got a valid argument.

Again, no-one is accusing single parents of anything. the discussing that you are referring to is that on people who take advantage of benefits. its not towards single mothers and you didn't need to tell everybody about your past.

tasha wrote:

jacqui wrote: oh come on leave the single parents alone for god sake.It seems that every time some thing happens it\'s the single parents that get it in the neck.I was a single parent of 3 boys all of which had the same father in case anybody made a coment about that.I was living with my ex partner for years for him to say he didn\'t want to be with me anymore and that he didn\'t want to see our boys again as he felt they had been forced on him so don\'t blame all single parents for being on there own and don\'t use single parents when you have\'nt got a valid argument.

Again, no-one is accusing single parents of anything. the discussing that you are referring to is that on people who take advantage of benefits. its not towards single mothers and you didn\'t need to tell everybody about your past.

Lets hope tasha is never left alone as a single mum!

yes lets hope im not. why is everyone talking about single parents? can't everyone read? btw annabella, even if i was my views wouldn't change.

and i quite agree with your general outlook- except Doctors can not go on strike as it simply isn't practical- Single parents have been attacked in this little run of comments and i think jacqui- just like us has her right to voice whatever opinion she wishes. Its just a bit nasty to say- no need to tell us your background- very dismissive and rude if you ask me!

yes jacqui and everyone else of course have opinions, this is after all a comments page. but this discussion first started on cleaners, then benefits and now somehow single parents, something which is not the topic of discussion. i am not pointing the finger at single parents, i am merely viewing an opinion which concerns those on long term benefits. i am not trying to be rude and what i ment by my comment to jacqui was that her past is her business. if people are being offended by this single parents thing then stop talking about it instead of carrying it on.

I find it astonishing that the Chief Executive at PRU should respond to the serious findings of the Healthcare Commission with the explanation that his Board provide safe clinical care at PRU take the prevention and control of infection very seriously. This explanation is completely flawed following the severe critism by the Healthcare Commission.

Ok fair enough point made.

You make some valid points tasha and sound like someone who knows their cillit bang from their cif- why don't you apply for a cleaners position?

GO GO GO GO TASHA ITS YOUR BIRTHDAY IM GONNA PARTY LIKE ITS YOUR BIRTHDAY GONNA SIP BACARDI LIKE ITS YOUR BIRTHDAY, COS YOU KNOW WE DONT GIVE A F*CK COS ITS YOUR BIRTHDAY

Having had two close relatives terminally ill in PRU during the last two years I made many visits. I saw many instances of inadequate cleaning and hygiene. It occurred to me then that the Chief Executive and fellow executives would only have to walk the wards and corridors to be immediately aware of the awful failings. When you remember that these "executives" are being paid vast sums of public money yet could not see what was staring them in the face in respect of the general cleansiness of the hospital.

Jayne wrote:

Me wrote: Why on earth aren\'t people on benefits made to clean hospitals???? It would be at no extra expense because they are being paid already. There are so many people \"looking for work\" out there, and single parents have 6 hours to spare a day while their children are at school. Ideal solution.

Who do you think you are saying single parents should do the cleaning. Not all us single parents like being single parents. And saying we have 6 hours everyday how do you work that out then when i have a 3 year old shall i get him to clean with me would that suit you

She said 'while their children are at school' Jayne.

I have my first child at PRU and the experience wasn't very nice. Every toilet that I went to was either covered with blood or feces, The floor was filthy. I was in for 7 days and nights and NO ONE cleaned the four bed room I was in, not even the floor. There were blood stained knickers and a pair of trousers left in one toilet for 3 days. I wish I knew the answer to sorting the hospitals out, I am not on here to judge but every experience I have had in any NHS hospital has not been too good. My son was at Darenth over christmas with an ear infection, he vomited on the floor, the nurse cleaned some of it up with a wipe, then the rest was stepped in and carry around on peoples shoes around the ward. Again there was blood on the bed and the pack of baby wipes she gave me to clean him up with.