Downham fox attack: Bromley Council has not ruled out culling

News Shopper: Denny Dolan is said to be recovering well after an operation to reattach a finger Denny Dolan is said to be recovering well after an operation to reattach a finger

CULLING foxes has not been ruled out by Bromley Council after a one-month-old baby was reportedly attacked by a fox in his Downham home.

Denny Dolan had to undergo a complex operation to reattach one of his fingers after it was ripped off during the attack in Dagonet Road last Wednesday (February 6).

His mother Hayley Cawley says she found the fox with her new-born son's hand in its mouth after she went to investigate a noise coming from the bedroom.

The fox apparently dragged the baby out of his cot, causing him to fall onto the floor, where it continued attacking him.

He is now said to be recovering well at The Evelina Hospital, Westminster.

Bromley Council’s executive member for public protection and safety Councillor Tim Stevens said: “We were obviously very sorry to hear about the alleged fox attack in Lewisham and wish the child a swift and complete recovery.

“Generally, there appears to be a growing concern about the urban fox population across the country.

“If action were taken against foxes in a particular area, a number of issues would have to be considered such as gaining access to private property, that baiting could inadvertently kill domestic animals such as cats and dogs, that marksmen with rifles to cull the fox population would not be welcomed by many people in residential areas, as well that the fox population would swiftly replace itself unless all the neighbouring boroughs and counties joined in too.

“Bromley Council issues advice to residents on how to discourage foxes from their properties, such as not feeding them or putting out food for birds which can encourage them, and ensuring that household waste is stored properly.

“Our website also has information on who to contact.

“At present central government does not regard foxes as vermin.”

Click here for more information about how to discourage foxes.

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3:54pm Tue 12 Feb 13

reasonable75 says...

Various experts all agree a cull is not the answer as other foxes would move in as soon as one lot is killed. So unless there going to wipe out the entire fox population in the UK.....

Simple solution is to remove the source of easy food (waste & people feeding them) so they move out of an area
Various experts all agree a cull is not the answer as other foxes would move in as soon as one lot is killed. So unless there going to wipe out the entire fox population in the UK..... Simple solution is to remove the source of easy food (waste & people feeding them) so they move out of an area reasonable75
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6:01pm Tue 12 Feb 13

ksc says...

Will a fox have to kill a child first, and then we do something about it or can we do something about it now and allow that child to live a long and happy life, I think the worst thing you could ever say to a grieving family is,"with hindsight, we should have"...
Will a fox have to kill a child first, and then we do something about it or can we do something about it now and allow that child to live a long and happy life, I think the worst thing you could ever say to a grieving family is,"with hindsight, we should have"... ksc
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6:56pm Tue 12 Feb 13

reasonable75 says...

ksc wrote:
Will a fox have to kill a child first, and then we do something about it or can we do something about it now and allow that child to live a long and happy life, I think the worst thing you could ever say to a grieving family is,"with hindsight, we should have"...
"Will a fox have to kill a child"?

No child has been killed by a fox, yet you and others are saying "we can do something about it now" What?

A cull? Proved it wouldnt work - poison could harm other animals, perhaps we should have patrols with guns to shoot them? Or whats your suggestion

But consider how many children have been killed by dogs - and what has been done?

Perhaps we should have a cull of all dogs
[quote][p][bold]ksc[/bold] wrote: Will a fox have to kill a child first, and then we do something about it or can we do something about it now and allow that child to live a long and happy life, I think the worst thing you could ever say to a grieving family is,"with hindsight, we should have"...[/p][/quote]"Will a fox have to kill a child"? No child has been killed by a fox, yet you and others are saying "we can do something about it now" What? A cull? Proved it wouldnt work - poison could harm other animals, perhaps we should have patrols with guns to shoot them? Or whats your suggestion But consider how many children have been killed by dogs - and what has been done? Perhaps we should have a cull of all dogs reasonable75
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7:17pm Tue 12 Feb 13

whats common about sense says...

ksc wrote:
Will a fox have to kill a child first, and then we do something about it or can we do something about it now and allow that child to live a long and happy life, I think the worst thing you could ever say to a grieving family is,"with hindsight, we should have"...
Should have what? On that logic cars kill more children than foxes so lets eradicate those too. Or maybe, just maybe parents need to take responsibility for ensuring the welfare of their child. I do not know this family or the truth behind this story but to leave an external door in a state where anybody or anything could have got in is irresponsible to say the least, they were lucky it was just a fox and that the baby is still with them. I personally would have insisted the door was made secure, if the HA failed to do this I would have used my own hammer and nails or at least pushed furniture against the door to prevent it from being opened easily from the outside. The responsibility lies with the parents I'm afraid, they allowed their child to be left unattended in an unsecure building and possibly with a dirty nappy which would have attracted the fox in the first place. Foxes are scavengers, if there wasn't so much freely available food for them then they would move away. You will never be able to catch and kill every single fox, you just have to learn to take reasonable precautions to avoid encouraging foxes, don't leave rubbish where it can be eaten, don't have places where foxes can make dens, don't leave windows and doors on ground floor level open at night (stop foxes and criminals), don't feed wildlife - foxes eat worms, birds, mice etc too so don't encourage them and they will go and bother somebody else.

Common sense is the key, being overly dramatic helps nobody and solves nothing.
[quote][p][bold]ksc[/bold] wrote: Will a fox have to kill a child first, and then we do something about it or can we do something about it now and allow that child to live a long and happy life, I think the worst thing you could ever say to a grieving family is,"with hindsight, we should have"...[/p][/quote]Should have what? On that logic cars kill more children than foxes so lets eradicate those too. Or maybe, just maybe parents need to take responsibility for ensuring the welfare of their child. I do not know this family or the truth behind this story but to leave an external door in a state where anybody or anything could have got in is irresponsible to say the least, they were lucky it was just a fox and that the baby is still with them. I personally would have insisted the door was made secure, if the HA failed to do this I would have used my own hammer and nails or at least pushed furniture against the door to prevent it from being opened easily from the outside. The responsibility lies with the parents I'm afraid, they allowed their child to be left unattended in an unsecure building and possibly with a dirty nappy which would have attracted the fox in the first place. Foxes are scavengers, if there wasn't so much freely available food for them then they would move away. You will never be able to catch and kill every single fox, you just have to learn to take reasonable precautions to avoid encouraging foxes, don't leave rubbish where it can be eaten, don't have places where foxes can make dens, don't leave windows and doors on ground floor level open at night (stop foxes and criminals), don't feed wildlife - foxes eat worms, birds, mice etc too so don't encourage them and they will go and bother somebody else. Common sense is the key, being overly dramatic helps nobody and solves nothing. whats common about sense
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7:20pm Tue 12 Feb 13

whats common about sense says...

Besides culling foxes apparently costs £500-£1000 per fox, in this economic climate you think any council has that kind of money available? If they do where are they hiding it and how do you justify the cuts that are affecting elderly and disabled people when there is money available to kill foxes?
Besides culling foxes apparently costs £500-£1000 per fox, in this economic climate you think any council has that kind of money available? If they do where are they hiding it and how do you justify the cuts that are affecting elderly and disabled people when there is money available to kill foxes? whats common about sense
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7:38pm Tue 12 Feb 13

reasonable75 says...

One of the neighbours claimed he saw "at least 25 foxes"

So that's £25,000 that can't be used to provide the family with a bigger house
One of the neighbours claimed he saw "at least 25 foxes" So that's £25,000 that can't be used to provide the family with a bigger house reasonable75
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7:57pm Tue 12 Feb 13

Marty1979 says...

ksc wrote:
Will a fox have to kill a child first, and then we do something about it or can we do something about it now and allow that child to live a long and happy life, I think the worst thing you could ever say to a grieving family is,"with hindsight, we should have"...
One thing experts actually agree on is that a cull would not make any difference

So what would you suggest is done?
[quote][p][bold]ksc[/bold] wrote: Will a fox have to kill a child first, and then we do something about it or can we do something about it now and allow that child to live a long and happy life, I think the worst thing you could ever say to a grieving family is,"with hindsight, we should have"...[/p][/quote]One thing experts actually agree on is that a cull would not make any difference So what would you suggest is done? Marty1979
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9:55pm Tue 12 Feb 13

Gypo.Joe says...

How about this for a suggestion :-

Neuter all chav council tenants.


Well it's a start.
How about this for a suggestion :- Neuter all chav council tenants. Well it's a start. Gypo.Joe
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10:27pm Tue 12 Feb 13

Aguila Pescadora says...

Cannot believe the council would even consider culling foxes. What is the matter with people over reacting to this one incident which seems to have more to it then meets the eye. Foxes are beautiful animals who do a great deal of good keeping down the rat population in urban areas. They are NOT vermin as the government PR machine seems to want us to believe.
Cannot believe the council would even consider culling foxes. What is the matter with people over reacting to this one incident which seems to have more to it then meets the eye. Foxes are beautiful animals who do a great deal of good keeping down the rat population in urban areas. They are NOT vermin as the government PR machine seems to want us to believe. Aguila Pescadora
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11:40pm Tue 12 Feb 13

treesrgreen says...

Gypo.Joe wrote:
How about this for a suggestion :-

Neuter all chav council tenants.


Well it's a start.
If only Joe, if only!!!
[quote][p][bold]Gypo.Joe[/bold] wrote: How about this for a suggestion :- Neuter all chav council tenants. Well it's a start.[/p][/quote]If only Joe, if only!!! treesrgreen
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5:47am Wed 13 Feb 13

JuliaM says...

Judging by your story about the nine-year-old beating the cat to death and the crowd of kids excitedly watching, the council won't need to look very far to find people to carry out any cull...
Judging by your story about the nine-year-old beating the cat to death and the crowd of kids excitedly watching, the council won't need to look very far to find people to carry out any cull... JuliaM
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5:48am Wed 13 Feb 13

JuliaM says...

Gypo.Joe wrote:
How about this for a suggestion :-

Neuter all chav council tenants.


Well it's a start.
Hear hear!

And if that doesn't work, how about a cull?
[quote][p][bold]Gypo.Joe[/bold] wrote: How about this for a suggestion :- Neuter all chav council tenants. Well it's a start.[/p][/quote]Hear hear! And if that doesn't work, how about a cull? JuliaM
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9:07am Wed 13 Feb 13

Eagles_Man says...

Well, here's today's version of events:

"The front door had been left ajar, the family believe, when Mr Dolan left to collect the two older children from school and slammed it shut, meaning the latch did not catch. "

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Well, here's today's version of events: "The front door had been left ajar, the family believe, when Mr Dolan left to collect the two older children from school and slammed it shut, meaning the latch did not catch. " http://www.telegraph .co.uk/news/9866785/ Mother-Fox-saw-my-ba by-as-a-piece-of-chi cken.html Eagles_Man
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10:19am Wed 13 Feb 13

Chrisbitz says...

Here's a radical and craaaazy idea! How about we use wheelie bins, and stop the foxes food source, so they go back to the woods.

Oh no, we can't do that, as one of Bromley's councillors famously said "we're not having wheelie bins, as they create rubbish" So definitely NOT because it costs money, they magically create rubbish, mmmkay?
Here's a radical and craaaazy idea! How about we use wheelie bins, and stop the foxes food source, so they go back to the woods. Oh no, we can't do that, as one of Bromley's councillors famously said "we're not having wheelie bins, as they create rubbish" So definitely NOT because it costs money, they magically create rubbish, mmmkay? Chrisbitz
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10:53am Wed 13 Feb 13

bnorther says...

This road is in LB of Lewisham! What has Bromley Council got to do with it? Nothing, its only the postal town that is Bromley.

So why are Bromley Councilors talking to the press so much about it?

Regardless of the true facts of this case, they should be ashamed, as they are using this for political gain. They want to use the media to desensitise the nation against foxes to get fox hunting back on the agenda. Remember Bromley = Conservative = pro fox hunting, Lewisham = Labour = anti fox hunting.

So Councillor Tim Stevens - why are you talking to so much press about this case when it is nothing to do with you?
This road is in LB of Lewisham! What has Bromley Council got to do with it? Nothing, its only the postal town that is Bromley. So why are Bromley Councilors talking to the press so much about it? Regardless of the true facts of this case, they should be ashamed, as they are using this for political gain. They want to use the media to desensitise the nation against foxes to get fox hunting back on the agenda. Remember Bromley = Conservative = pro fox hunting, Lewisham = Labour = anti fox hunting. So Councillor Tim Stevens - why are you talking to so much press about this case when it is nothing to do with you? bnorther
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2:42pm Wed 13 Feb 13

Gipsyrose-lee says...

His mother Hayley Cawley says she found the fox with her new-born son's hand in its mouth after she went to investigate a noise coming from the bedroom.

The fox apparently dragged the baby out of his cot, causing him to fall onto the floor, where it continued attacking him.

I wish somebody would get their facts correct. One report the child is in the bedroom the next it is on a sofa. Then it's the back door that was open and now it's the front door. Yes we need a cull but it's not for foxes.
His mother Hayley Cawley says she found the fox with her new-born son's hand in its mouth after she went to investigate a noise coming from the bedroom. The fox apparently dragged the baby out of his cot, causing him to fall onto the floor, where it continued attacking him. I wish somebody would get their facts correct. One report the child is in the bedroom the next it is on a sofa. Then it's the back door that was open and now it's the front door. Yes we need a cull but it's not for foxes. Gipsyrose-lee
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4:24pm Wed 20 Feb 13

Bromley Rover says...

The first thing that will happen if there is a mass cull of foxes will be an increase in rat numbers - a large part of the diet of an urban fox after fried chicken and donor kebab.

Stop people feeding foxes (deliberately and accidentally) by making wheelie bins compulsory and fining people who drop litter or feed foxes (and pigeons)
The first thing that will happen if there is a mass cull of foxes will be an increase in rat numbers - a large part of the diet of an urban fox after fried chicken and donor kebab. Stop people feeding foxes (deliberately and accidentally) by making wheelie bins compulsory and fining people who drop litter or feed foxes (and pigeons) Bromley Rover
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