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HIV dentist 'hid illness' from patients
10:04am Wednesday 23rd April 2008
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By Matthew Jenkin »
A DENTIST has sparked health concerns after allegedly failing to tell his patients he was HIV positive.
Allan Reid, 39, of Sevenoaks, worked at the Maxident Clinic in Catford, where he treated both NHS and private patients.
General Dental Council regulations require Mr Reid to admit if he is HIV positive.
Lewisham Primary Care Trust is investigating the allegation he failed to disclose his medical condition, made by The Sun newspaper today (April 23).
Mr Reid has been stopped from working at the clinic and is no longer seeing patients.
The PCT's director of public health Dr Chris Watts said: "We are taking these allegations extremely seriously.
"However, evidence shows that the risk of passing on infection from healthcare professionals to their patients is extremely low."
Patients who have concerns can call a helpline on 020 8676 3289, available from 9am to 7pm, Monday to Friday, and from 10am to 2pm at the weekend.
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ME, lewisham says...
10:42am Wed 23 Apr 08
By that I dont mean a long horrible life.
I hope he is able to enjoy life for a long time to come.
I hope he is able to enjoy life for a long time to come.
The real Me, Here says...
10:50am Wed 23 Apr 08
What an absolute mug! I wouldnt wish that disease on anyone but to carry on working knowing full well that he had it is bang out of order. Even if there is a SMALL chance, there is still A chance that he could have passed the infection on. His negligence put innocent peoples health at risk. That is inexcusable in my book.
Oh, and ME from Lewisham what was that bit about "I dont remember sharing bodily fluids with him." WTF, i think you would remember that my love. Unless you were under general anisthetic that is..........
Oh, and ME from Lewisham what was that bit about "I dont remember sharing bodily fluids with him." WTF, i think you would remember that my love. Unless you were under general anisthetic that is..........
ME, Lewisham says...
10:55am Wed 23 Apr 08
I was merely stating that as I did not share any bodily fluids with him, Im not in the slightest bit worried. That is all, was just attempting to be light hearted. sorry
Tilly, Work says...
11:00am Wed 23 Apr 08
The real Me wrote:The real Me, I think you will find that you are indeed the absolute mug!
What an absolute mug! I wouldnt wish that disease on anyone but to carry on working knowing full well that he had it is bang out of order. Even if there is a SMALL chance, there is still A chance that he could have passed the infection on. His negligence put innocent peoples health at risk. That is inexcusable in my book. Oh, and ME from Lewisham what was that bit about "I dont remember sharing bodily fluids with him." WTF, i think you would remember that my love. Unless you were under general anisthetic that is..........
What a silly comment.
Lucy, idle minds says...
11:21am Wed 23 Apr 08
Hey 'The real me' there is a small chance that you might get struck by lightening, knocked over by a car or knocked out by a thug, best you stay in bed! Night night!
The real Me, Here says...
3:05pm Wed 23 Apr 08
Tilly / Lucy - Are you serious??!?!!
He had HIV, did not tell anyone and carried on working as a dentist, putting his hands in peoples mouths and putting them at risk of infection. His patients had absolutely no idea and i cannot imagine that ANYONE in their right mind would allow someone with HIV to be invloved in their dental hygiene. I seriously mean what i say, i think it is incredibly irresponsible of him to carry on. Perhaps i did not word my message as eloquently as i should of, but i honestly believe what i said and i would be interested in your comments (you pair of idiots)
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He had HIV, did not tell anyone and carried on working as a dentist, putting his hands in peoples mouths and putting them at risk of infection. His patients had absolutely no idea and i cannot imagine that ANYONE in their right mind would allow someone with HIV to be invloved in their dental hygiene. I seriously mean what i say, i think it is incredibly irresponsible of him to carry on. Perhaps i did not word my message as eloquently as i should of, but i honestly believe what i said and i would be interested in your comments (you pair of idiots)
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Tilly, Work says...
3:18pm Wed 23 Apr 08
The real Me wrote:I think you will find that the term idoit just about sums you up!
Tilly / Lucy - Are you serious??!?!! He had HIV, did not tell anyone and carried on working as a dentist, putting his hands in peoples mouths and putting them at risk of infection. His patients had absolutely no idea and i cannot imagine that ANYONE in their right mind would allow someone with HIV to be invloved in their dental hygiene. I seriously mean what i say, i think it is incredibly irresponsible of him to carry on. Perhaps i did not word my message as eloquently as i should of, but i honestly believe what i said and i would be interested in your comments (you pair of idiots) xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
I would have no problem with this dentist carry out my dental work. After all its not like he is using his bare hands with open wounds to do it is it? he like all dentists would be wearing gloves so frankly I cant see the problem. I understand your point about maybe he should of told someone but for me this would not be such a big deal.
Sleeping with someone knowing you are HIV is a problem but looking at teeth? in my eyes no problem.
Lucy, says...
3:23pm Wed 23 Apr 08
I expect you'd have him stuffed in a glass container marked quarantine then?
I suppose if you bit through his glove and swallowed his finger you might be in trouble though. Yeh you may well have a point the Real me, sorry never occurred to me that I might get infected if I swallowed his blood.
I suppose if you bit through his glove and swallowed his finger you might be in trouble though. Yeh you may well have a point the Real me, sorry never occurred to me that I might get infected if I swallowed his blood.
The real Me, Here says...
3:23pm Wed 23 Apr 08
Tilly, i did not direct the "What an absolute mug" comment to you, so i would be grateful if you could extend me the same courtesy. Also, i assume by your comments that, assuming you have kids you would have absolutely no problems this guy looking at their teeth either?
The real Me, Here says...
3:29pm Wed 23 Apr 08
Lucy wrote:Look at the facts you plump. The man was a dentist, he was involved in peoples hygiene and he had HIV. Funnily enough good hygiene and HIV do not go together, he was irresponsible and he put other peoples health at risk. That was incredibly selfish and dangerous. I cant believe that knowone else agrees with me. I have nothing against people with HIV, in many cases it is contracted by accident, blood transfusions etc. But i do not think it was right of this guy to be rooting around other peoples gobs. If it was not a risk then why do the General Dentil Council require anyone with HIV to declare it. You two are so naieve.
I expect you'd have him stuffed in a glass container marked quarantine then? I suppose if you bit through his glove and swallowed his finger you might be in trouble though. Yeh you may well have a point the Real me, sorry never occurred to me that I might get infected if I swallowed his blood.
Tilly, Work says...
3:37pm Wed 23 Apr 08
The real Me wrote:Firstly I am far from naieve but thanks for the comment anyway.
Lucy wrote: I expect you'd have him stuffed in a glass container marked quarantine then? I suppose if you bit through his glove and swallowed his finger you might be in trouble though. Yeh you may well have a point the Real me, sorry never occurred to me that I might get infected if I swallowed his blood.Look at the facts you plump. The man was a dentist, he was involved in peoples hygiene and he had HIV. Funnily enough good hygiene and HIV do not go together, he was irresponsible and he put other peoples health at risk. That was incredibly selfish and dangerous. I cant believe that knowone else agrees with me. I have nothing against people with HIV, in many cases it is contracted by accident, blood transfusions etc. But i do not think it was right of this guy to be rooting around other peoples gobs. If it was not a risk then why do the General Dentil Council require anyone with HIV to declare it. You two are so naieve.
Secondly I think you will find that most employers reauire you to declare if you are HIV not just the DDC.
You are absolutely spot on none what so ever, as I said as long as he is wearing gloves no problem. As Lucy pointed out the likely hood of my chid deciding to bit the dentists finger off is VERY unlikely. One can safely say I have raised him to know better
Lucy, says...
3:38pm Wed 23 Apr 08
Aw don't take it to heart 'The Real Me' I woz only playin' wid you!
Jeez some people are so serious!
Anyway a little dose of HIV won't kill you! Not straightaway leastways.
Jeez some people are so serious!
Anyway a little dose of HIV won't kill you! Not straightaway leastways.
Tilly, Work says...
3:39pm Wed 23 Apr 08
Tilly wrote:Sorry the GDC not the DDC
The real Me wrote:Firstly I am far from naieve but thanks for the comment anyway. Secondly I think you will find that most employers reauire you to declare if you are HIV not just the DDC. You are absolutely spot on none what so ever, as I said as long as he is wearing gloves no problem. As Lucy pointed out the likely hood of my chid deciding to bit the dentists finger off is VERY unlikely. One can safely say I have raised him to know betterLucy wrote: I expect you'd have him stuffed in a glass container marked quarantine then? I suppose if you bit through his glove and swallowed his finger you might be in trouble though. Yeh you may well have a point the Real me, sorry never occurred to me that I might get infected if I swallowed his blood.Look at the facts you plump. The man was a dentist, he was involved in peoples hygiene and he had HIV. Funnily enough good hygiene and HIV do not go together, he was irresponsible and he put other peoples health at risk. That was incredibly selfish and dangerous. I cant believe that knowone else agrees with me. I have nothing against people with HIV, in many cases it is contracted by accident, blood transfusions etc. But i do not think it was right of this guy to be rooting around other peoples gobs. If it was not a risk then why do the General Dentil Council require anyone with HIV to declare it. You two are so naieve.
The real Me, Here says...
4:08pm Wed 23 Apr 08
Lucy wrote:Ha ha, thats better Lucy! I dont like to be too serious
Aw don't take it to heart 'The Real Me' I woz only playin' wid you! Jeez some people are so serious! Anyway a little dose of HIV won't kill you! Not straightaway leastways.
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The real Me, Here says...
4:10pm Wed 23 Apr 08
Tilly wrote:Sorry Tilly, when did i say anything about your kid biting the HIV ridden dentists finger off? Would you let him go about his normal day to day dentistry i.e check ups, fillings, root canal etc on your child, knowing full well he has HIV.
The real Me wrote:Firstly I am far from naieve but thanks for the comment anyway. Secondly I think you will find that most employers reauire you to declare if you are HIV not just the DDC. You are absolutely spot on none what so ever, as I said as long as he is wearing gloves no problem. As Lucy pointed out the likely hood of my chid deciding to bit the dentists finger off is VERY unlikely. One can safely say I have raised him to know betterLucy wrote: I expect you\'d have him stuffed in a glass container marked quarantine then? I suppose if you bit through his glove and swallowed his finger you might be in trouble though. Yeh you may well have a point the Real me, sorry never occurred to me that I might get infected if I swallowed his blood.Look at the facts you plump. The man was a dentist, he was involved in peoples hygiene and he had HIV. Funnily enough good hygiene and HIV do not go together, he was irresponsible and he put other peoples health at risk. That was incredibly selfish and dangerous. I cant believe that knowone else agrees with me. I have nothing against people with HIV, in many cases it is contracted by accident, blood transfusions etc. But i do not think it was right of this guy to be rooting around other peoples gobs. If it was not a risk then why do the General Dentil Council require anyone with HIV to declare it. You two are so naieve.
ME, Lewisham says...
4:11pm Wed 23 Apr 08
The real me - this man was my dentist and I am not in the slightest bit concerned. As I said he wore gloves and we did not share any other bodily fluids.
I was probably safer with his gloved hands in my mouth than I am walking to work every day. He knew (if of course this is true) that he was HIV positive and was probable more careful than normal!
I was probably safer with his gloved hands in my mouth than I am walking to work every day. He knew (if of course this is true) that he was HIV positive and was probable more careful than normal!
The real Me, Here says...
4:15pm Wed 23 Apr 08
ME wrote:You are so deluded ME.
The real me - this man was my dentist and I am not in the slightest bit concerned. As I said he wore gloves and we did not share any other bodily fluids. I was probably safer with his gloved hands in my mouth than I am walking to work every day. He knew (if of course this is true) that he was HIV positive and was probable more careful than normal!
Please someone stick up for me!!????!!
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Lizzielooloo, says...
4:22pm Wed 23 Apr 08
hey The real Me I do somewhat agree with what you are saying. What Me doesn't seem to grasp (from my point of view) is that ok the guy had HIV and OK Me didn't seem to mind this, but surely it was his patients "right" to know and then they could have decided whether they wanted to be treated by this guy or not. It could be so easy for the dentist to nick his finger esp when using such sharp instuments. Lets just hope none of his patients have contracted HIV.
The real Me, here says...
4:31pm Wed 23 Apr 08
Lizzielooloo wrote:I love you Lizzielooloo. Thanks for summing that up so well.
hey The real Me I do somewhat agree with what you are saying. What Me doesn't seem to grasp (from my point of view) is that ok the guy had HIV and OK Me didn't seem to mind this, but surely it was his patients "right" to know and then they could have decided whether they wanted to be treated by this guy or not. It could be so easy for the dentist to nick his finger esp when using such sharp instuments. Lets just hope none of his patients have contracted HIV.
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Can Crusher, Charlton says...
4:35pm Wed 23 Apr 08
"The Real Me" is completely right. Just the slightest possibility of contracting HIV is too much of a possibility especially when you are completely unaware of the potential risk. I wish the Me the best of luck in life. The mug is going to need it!
Lizzielooloo, says...
4:36pm Wed 23 Apr 08
Anytime The real Me, glad I could help.
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The real Me, Here says...
4:41pm Wed 23 Apr 08
Thanks to Can Crusher too. I would be willing to buy anyone who supports my view a small lemonade shandy...by way of thankyou.
froglet, says...
6:09pm Wed 23 Apr 08
Lizieloo - what about the rights of health workers - do you seriously think we are in a position to refuse to care for a patients who is HIV positive? That's presuming we are even told, what with patient confidentiality and all that.
No, so, okay you reckon you can refuse to be looked after by an HIV positive dentist/doctor/nurse but we have to look after everyone, sounds slightly one-sided and discrimatory to me. Get real, health workers are more at risk than patients. Half the time we don't even know what infections patients have, at least this guy took precautions when caring for his patients. Some patients don't give a toss about the staff having to look after them.
No, so, okay you reckon you can refuse to be looked after by an HIV positive dentist/doctor/nurse but we have to look after everyone, sounds slightly one-sided and discrimatory to me. Get real, health workers are more at risk than patients. Half the time we don't even know what infections patients have, at least this guy took precautions when caring for his patients. Some patients don't give a toss about the staff having to look after them.
A dentist, uk says...
7:14pm Wed 23 Apr 08
frankly, dentists can much more easily contract an infection from a patient than vice versa. should we ask to have all our patients tested before we put our hands in their mouths. in the USA dentists are allowed to work with Hep C and HIV by the Center for disease control which state there is no risk of transmission if protocols are followed. it is only because of the cowboy NHS managers and polically correct politicians that know nothing about healthcare that this joke of a policy even exists.
C.DOLl, says...
7:14pm Wed 23 Apr 08
eurghh how could yooh do daht mayns dahts sickenin ...plain nasty =|...&.yer dn't bother tryna disagree with me cahs i probs wn't be bothered to check back ¬¬
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confused, Bexley says...
7:30pm Wed 23 Apr 08
C.DOLl - what are you on about? Try typing in ENGLISH!
Me, Lewisham says...
8:50pm Wed 23 Apr 08
I am by no means deluded. I just happen to know about HIV and the very low risk of transmitting the virus by GLOVED hand. As HE knew the risks he would have been careful as I have said. If any of his other patients are worried there is that number to call. Im not worried as I am educated about this virus and have NO worries.
I also do not think anyone should have to disclose there HIV status. But this is just my opinion.
I just hope this poor man will be to carry on with his life. I feel very sad that his full name and photograph have been revealed. Its a sad state of affairs.
I also do not think anyone should have to disclose there HIV status. But this is just my opinion.
I just hope this poor man will be to carry on with his life. I feel very sad that his full name and photograph have been revealed. Its a sad state of affairs.
John, Catford says...
10:36pm Wed 23 Apr 08
Lewisham Primary Care Trust are a disgrace. Did you know that the practice manager at hillview dental clinic on brownhill road is the same person who was convicted of defrauding the nhs and was jailed. She was also struck off the register of dentists. She was released from prison and returned to the same practice as practice manager. Lewisham PCT tolerate this kind of disgraceful behaviour.
Lizzielooloo, says...
9:32am Thu 24 Apr 08
froglet wrote:First of all this story is about a dentist who has HIV - which is what my comment relates to.
Lizieloo - what about the rights of health workers - do you seriously think we are in a position to refuse to care for a patients who is HIV positive? That's presuming we are even told, what with patient confidentiality and all that. No, so, okay you reckon you can refuse to be looked after by an HIV positive dentist/doctor/nurse but we have to look after everyone, sounds slightly one-sided and discrimatory to me. Get real, health workers are more at risk than patients. Half the time we don't even know what infections patients have, at least this guy took precautions when caring for his patients. Some patients don't give a toss about the staff having to look after them.
All I am saying (my opinion only) is that the patients had a right to know, then they could make their decision - end of.
The Real Me are you out there - need some help!
The Real Me, Here says...
10:39am Thu 24 Apr 08
Lizzielooloo wrote:Dont worry Lizzieloo im here to back you up (Hope you had a nice St Georges day by the way)!!!
froglet wrote: Lizieloo - what about the rights of health workers - do you seriously think we are in a position to refuse to care for a patients who is HIV positive? That's presuming we are even told, what with patient confidentiality and all that. No, so, okay you reckon you can refuse to be looked after by an HIV positive dentist/doctor/nurse but we have to look after everyone, sounds slightly one-sided and discrimatory to me. Get real, health workers are more at risk than patients. Half the time we don't even know what infections patients have, at least this guy took precautions when caring for his patients. Some patients don't give a toss about the staff having to look after them.First of all this story is about a dentist who has HIV - which is what my comment relates to. All I am saying (my opinion only) is that the patients had a right to know, then they could make their decision - end of. The Real Me are you out there - need some help!
I was going to comment earlier as i really think that people are losing grasp of what the story is about!!!
Man has HIV
Man is Dentist
As man is in a position of authority and responsible for peoples dental hygien man should declare to the General Dentil Council that he is HIV+
Man did not do this
Man put peoples health at risk
Man is incredibly irresponsible
I just want to say again that i cannot believe the comments of ME who appears to have lost the plot on this one. He/she is banging on about "As HE knew the risks he would have been careful" but that really isnt the point here....
Saying that, i did agree with the comment from the dentist about patients not having to declare the same back to their dentist and i totally agreed. Should work both ways.
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ME, Lewisham says...
10:40am Thu 24 Apr 08
John wrote:I dont think this is a helpful comment.
Lewisham Primary Care Trust are a disgrace. Did you know that the practice manager at hillview dental clinic on brownhill road is the same person who was convicted of defrauding the nhs and was jailed. She was also struck off the register of dentists. She was released from prison and returned to the same practice as practice manager. Lewisham PCT tolerate this kind of disgraceful behaviour.
But in my opinion if she has served her time and her company trust she will not do this again - so what!
She is probably under very tight observations. But I really dont think it is helpful to post this personal information.
pinky, says...
10:41am Thu 24 Apr 08
No. Lizzieloo, patients do not have a "right" to know. Equally, dentists do not have a "right" to know if a patient has HIV.
I have no idea why this story has been published and hope that the dentist involved does not suffer any attacks from ignorant people.
I have no idea why this story has been published and hope that the dentist involved does not suffer any attacks from ignorant people.
ME, Lewisham says...
10:45am Thu 24 Apr 08
pinky wrote:This is my worry too.
No. Lizzieloo, patients do not have a \"right\" to know. Equally, dentists do not have a \"right\" to know if a patient has HIV. I have no idea why this story has been published and hope that the dentist involved does not suffer any attacks from ignorant people.
It would be a shame if this was how his family found out too!
The real ME - I have not lost the plot ot is my belief that he should NOT have to declare his HIV status. My belief!!
The Real Me, Here says...
10:52am Thu 24 Apr 08
ME wrote:Ok ME, thats your opinion. Answer me this tho. Would you be happy for the dentist with HIV to attend the dental needs of your child? The Dental Council want to know if a practising Dentist has HIV for a reason, as there is a small chance of infecting their patients. It may only be a small chance...but it is still a chance. Why run the risk??!! If it was a choice between using a dentist WITH HIV and one WITHOUT, i know who i would rather go with. And also, the man lied and carried on without regard for anyone. Does that not say anything about the type of person he is?
pinky wrote: No. Lizzieloo, patients do not have a \\\"right\\\" to know. Equally, dentists do not have a \\\"right\\\" to know if a patient has HIV. I have no idea why this story has been published and hope that the dentist involved does not suffer any attacks from ignorant people.This is my worry too. It would be a shame if this was how his family found out too! The real ME - I have not lost the plot ot is my belief that he should NOT have to declare his HIV status. My belief!!
Lizzielooloo, says...
11:11am Thu 24 Apr 08
The Real Me wrote:Ah the voice of reason from the Real Me (and yes had a lovely day hope you did to).
ME wrote:Ok ME, thats your opinion. Answer me this tho. Would you be happy for the dentist with HIV to attend the dental needs of your child? The Dental Council want to know if a practising Dentist has HIV for a reason, as there is a small chance of infecting their patients. It may only be a small chance...but it is still a chance. Why run the risk??!! If it was a choice between using a dentist WITH HIV and one WITHOUT, i know who i would rather go with. And also, the man lied and carried on without regard for anyone. Does that not say anything about the type of person he is?pinky wrote: No. Lizzieloo, patients do not have a \\\"right\\\" to know. Equally, dentists do not have a \\\"right\\\" to know if a patient has HIV. I have no idea why this story has been published and hope that the dentist involved does not suffer any attacks from ignorant people.This is my worry too. It would be a shame if this was how his family found out too! The real ME - I have not lost the plot ot is my belief that he should NOT have to declare his HIV status. My belief!!
Please tell me Pinky why you think it is not anyone's "right to know" if someone is HIV positive? A person who is in the position of treating patients and in the position of maybe (yes there maybe a small chance he may nick his finger through his gloves) passing on this life threatening disease to a patient who had no idea that their dentist has HIV. What I think both the Real Me and I are trying to say, if a person in this position does have HIV then patients should be told, and then if like ME they are happy to carry on being treated then that is their choice.
Believe me I know the stigma surrounding people who have HIV and no one is saying we need to go back to the dark ages where you should where a sign around your neck, all we are trying to say is that in this type of job where there is a possibility of passing on the disease, then yes Pinky we do have a RIGHT to know.
The Real Me, Here says...
11:40am Thu 24 Apr 08
Could not have put it any better Lizzielooloo. Glad to have you back.
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Lizzielooloo, says...
11:55am Thu 24 Apr 08
Glad to be back The Real Me.
I have just noticed mistake!! should have read "wear" not "where" oops!
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I have just noticed mistake!! should have read "wear" not "where" oops!
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Nick, Bromley says...
12:03pm Thu 24 Apr 08
As one of Mr Reid's patients I am obviously concerned. The risk may be low but this is a disease which kills and is transmitted by blood and other bodily fluid. Dentists work in very close proximity to peole's faces and mouths and even with facemasks, which Dr Reid wore, there is a nagging worry.
The Real Me, Here says...
12:08pm Thu 24 Apr 08
Nick wrote:ME - can you now understand how distressing it can be for patients.
As one of Mr Reid's patients I am obviously concerned. The risk may be low but this is a disease which kills and is transmitted by blood and other bodily fluid. Dentists work in very close proximity to peole's faces and mouths and even with facemasks, which Dr Reid wore, there is a nagging worry.
Nick - get a check up. I would imagine the chances are extremely slim but all the same - best to put your mind at rest as i know i would feel exactly the same which is why i have been so vociferous on this subject. I think the whole situation stinks.
ME, Lewisham says...
12:09pm Thu 24 Apr 08
The Real me -
As I said I was a patient of his and I still would be if he was practising now. Yes even with the knowledge that he is HIV postive. I would also be happy for my child to be treated by him- No doubt about it! For me there is no risk. Its really not that easy to transmit HIV when safe medical practice is followed.
As I said I was a patient of his and I still would be if he was practising now. Yes even with the knowledge that he is HIV postive. I would also be happy for my child to be treated by him- No doubt about it! For me there is no risk. Its really not that easy to transmit HIV when safe medical practice is followed.
Lizzielooloo, says...
12:23pm Thu 24 Apr 08
Arrrrrrrrrrggggggggg
ghhhhhhhhhhhhhh!
ME , you are telling me you would seriously put the life of the thing most precious to you in the world in danger. I am shaking my head in wonder. (might as well go and leave them sitting in the middle of the A2!)
I think I am sounding like a broken record and it may be time to stop as seem to be reaching a bit of a stalemate here. Whilst we can appreciate what you are saying and that he did practice safe and hygienically, can you not see that there maybe a chance (ok albeit a slim chance) that whilst you were having a filling or an extraction, the dentist could have nicked his finger, through his rubber gloves, causing his blood to mix with yours. Can you not see this?
Nick , I agree with The Real Me, as test would do no harm and would put your mind at rest. O and before everyone starts screaming at me, no one is saying that any of the dentists patients have caught the HIV virus from him.
ghhhhhhhhhhhhhh!
ME , you are telling me you would seriously put the life of the thing most precious to you in the world in danger. I am shaking my head in wonder. (might as well go and leave them sitting in the middle of the A2!)
I think I am sounding like a broken record and it may be time to stop as seem to be reaching a bit of a stalemate here. Whilst we can appreciate what you are saying and that he did practice safe and hygienically, can you not see that there maybe a chance (ok albeit a slim chance) that whilst you were having a filling or an extraction, the dentist could have nicked his finger, through his rubber gloves, causing his blood to mix with yours. Can you not see this?
Nick , I agree with The Real Me, as test would do no harm and would put your mind at rest. O and before everyone starts screaming at me, no one is saying that any of the dentists patients have caught the HIV virus from him.
ME, Lewisham says...
12:28pm Thu 24 Apr 08
The Real Me wrote:Yes I understand that it can be distressing. I said that I personally was not worried. There is a number to call if you are worried I jyst said that I am not. No where did I say no one should be worried.
Nick wrote: As one of Mr Reid\'s patients I am obviously concerned. The risk may be low but this is a disease which kills and is transmitted by blood and other bodily fluid. Dentists work in very close proximity to peole\'s faces and mouths and even with facemasks, which Dr Reid wore, there is a nagging worry.ME - can you now understand how distressing it can be for patients. Nick - get a check up. I would imagine the chances are extremely slim but all the same - best to put your mind at rest as i know i would feel exactly the same which is why i have been so vociferous on this subject. I think the whole situation stinks.
Another Patient, Bromley says...
12:56pm Thu 24 Apr 08
Nick, I am also one of Mr Reid's patients and agree with everything you have said. I know it is highly unlikely any of us have been infected but there is always a doubt.
The report on the BBC website states that Mr Reid's patients will have already been contacted by Lewisham PCT but we haven't received anything yet.
I would also add that this is very sad as I feel Mr Reid was a good dentist during his time at the clinic.
The report on the BBC website states that Mr Reid's patients will have already been contacted by Lewisham PCT but we haven't received anything yet.
I would also add that this is very sad as I feel Mr Reid was a good dentist during his time at the clinic.
ME, Lewisham says...
1:44pm Thu 24 Apr 08
Lizzielooloo wrote:I dont think that is a fair comment- You cant honestly compare leaving my child in the middle of the road and having my child treated my a dentist with HIV. Thats madness.
Arrrrrrrrrrggggggggg ghhhhhhhhhhhhhh! ME , you are telling me you would seriously put the life of the thing most precious to you in the world in danger. I am shaking my head in wonder. (might as well go and leave them sitting in the middle of the A2!) I think I am sounding like a broken record and it may be time to stop as seem to be reaching a bit of a stalemate here. Whilst we can appreciate what you are saying and that he did practice safe and hygienically, can you not see that there maybe a chance (ok albeit a slim chance) that whilst you were having a filling or an extraction, the dentist could have nicked his finger, through his rubber gloves, causing his blood to mix with yours. Can you not see this? Nick , I agree with The Real Me, as test would do no harm and would put your mind at rest. O and before everyone starts screaming at me, no one is saying that any of the dentists patients have caught the HIV virus from him.
Im actually not trying to argue with you. Having known and worked for and alongside HIV/AIDS sufferers I do know the risks.
Im not being flipant when I say I would let my child be treated him. Really im not.
Another patient - No I have not been contacted either. I did call the practice last week to book an appointment with him but was just told he no longer worked there. Perhaps they are sending letters out. If you are worried do call the number above.
Lizzielooloo, says...
1:53pm Thu 24 Apr 08
Im sorry Me , I think we really will have to agree to differ on this. I do think you are being flippant, you are basically saying you have no qualms whatsoever of letting your child be treated by a dentist who has HIV. There is a chance (and as I said before no one knows what this chance would be) that even though good and hygienic medical practices were in place that the virus could be transferred. I for one know I would not want to put my child at any kind of risk.
However, this aside, again I think the point is being slightly missed, it is not the fact that this guy has HIV or that he is a dentist, it is that he was a practicing dentist who did not inform the people he was treating of his condition. Thereafter it is your own personal choice if you feel he is professional and you feel safe and not at any risk, for you to carry on being treated by him. By the comments from Nick and Another Patient it does seem that other patients do have some worries.
As I said it looks like we will never agree on this Me but at least we have listened to each others point of view.
However, this aside, again I think the point is being slightly missed, it is not the fact that this guy has HIV or that he is a dentist, it is that he was a practicing dentist who did not inform the people he was treating of his condition. Thereafter it is your own personal choice if you feel he is professional and you feel safe and not at any risk, for you to carry on being treated by him. By the comments from Nick and Another Patient it does seem that other patients do have some worries.
As I said it looks like we will never agree on this Me but at least we have listened to each others point of view.
The Real Me, Here says...
2:14pm Thu 24 Apr 08
Lizielooloo, thankyou for putting our views across to ME so eloquently. I must say that i find the views/opinions of ME incredibly frustrating. I cannot believe that anyone would want their child put in any kind of danger...no matter how small that chance may be. Oh well, ive enjoyed the discussion and i do hope that everyone who was treated by the dentist is ok.
ME, i do not want to try to teach you how to suck eggs but i really think that your (in my opinion) naieve views on this extremely serious subject could land you in some trouble in the future. Please do be careful.
Oh and i find the best way is to hard boil and let cool...that way if the shell smashes you wont get gooey yolk in your mouth.
Lots of love hugs, kisses and shnuggles.
The one the only. The Real Me
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ME, i do not want to try to teach you how to suck eggs but i really think that your (in my opinion) naieve views on this extremely serious subject could land you in some trouble in the future. Please do be careful.
Oh and i find the best way is to hard boil and let cool...that way if the shell smashes you wont get gooey yolk in your mouth.
Lots of love hugs, kisses and shnuggles.
The one the only. The Real Me
XXXXXXXXXXXXXX
Robert, Chislehurst says...
3:05pm Thu 24 Apr 08
Good Afternoon all..
Having read all of the above comments, and i can clearly see and argument for both sides of this discussion, however the one area that i can't get my head around is the way your opinion must be right, opinions can be frustrating but we all have them, Peace, love and laughter...
Oh and thank your lucky stars that Pigott the bigot is not around!!
Having read all of the above comments, and i can clearly see and argument for both sides of this discussion, however the one area that i can't get my head around is the way your opinion must be right, opinions can be frustrating but we all have them, Peace, love and laughter...
Oh and thank your lucky stars that Pigott the bigot is not around!!
ME, Lewisham says...
3:07pm Thu 24 Apr 08
The Real Me wrote:Theres no need for this.
Lizielooloo, thankyou for putting our views across to ME so eloquently. I must say that i find the views/opinions of ME incredibly frustrating. I cannot believe that anyone would want their child put in any kind of danger...no matter how small that chance may be. Oh well, ive enjoyed the discussion and i do hope that everyone who was treated by the dentist is ok. ME, i do not want to try to teach you how to suck eggs but i really think that your (in my opinion) naieve views on this extremely serious subject could land you in some trouble in the future. Please do be careful. Oh and i find the best way is to hard boil and let cool...that way if the shell smashes you wont get gooey yolk in your mouth. Lots of love hugs, kisses and shnuggles. The one the only. The Real Me XXXXXXXXXXXXXX
I am not naive when it comes to this subject infact the polar opposite.
But anyway, im not hear for a fight, or for anyone to agree with me. Just stating how I feel.
Thanks for the sucking eggs tip. Ill keep that in mind!
Lizzielooloo, says...
3:25pm Thu 24 Apr 08
Thanks Me , as I said earlier we both have our own opinions and as you can see from the thread we both have people who agree with us. It just so happens we do not agree with each other, so as I sad we have both put forward our valid points and I think both listened to each other, but sadly we will have to agree to differ.
Robert , I dont profess to believing that I am right, as you will the whole way along see that I have said in my opinion, and Me also has their own opinion and although he/she believes they are right they are just stating their case.
I think it really makes a change for two sides to have a nice healthy debate without people getting nasty or personal and attacking the other writer.
The Real Me is in a real good mood today and she has been keeping everyone amused with her comments on other threads and blogs. Phew thanks for that tip on the eggs, as I was just about
Robert , I dont profess to believing that I am right, as you will the whole way along see that I have said in my opinion, and Me also has their own opinion and although he/she believes they are right they are just stating their case.
I think it really makes a change for two sides to have a nice healthy debate without people getting nasty or personal and attacking the other writer.
The Real Me is in a real good mood today and she has been keeping everyone amused with her comments on other threads and blogs. Phew thanks for that tip on the eggs, as I was just about
ME, Lewisham says...
10:40am Wed 23 Apr 08
This man was/is a great dentist. He got rid of me fear of going. How sad for him.
The likely hood of any of his patients having got HIV from dentist visits has to be tiny.
He always wore gloves and I don;t remember sharing and bodily fluids with him.
I wish him a long life with this terrible disease.
I hope there is not too much nastiness from readers comments!!