Erith man avoids jail after cannabis plants found at his home (From News Shopper)

Murphy........... LOL !!

Prohibition causes far more harm than cannabis flowers ever could.

Cannabis is the safest recreational drug and medicine on planet Earth. Safer than most pharmaceuticals and definitely safer than alcohol and tobacco, but on the same level as caffeine. Although I recognise its not harmless, but then again neither are peanuts or water, or most things in life for that matter. Its been demonized for so many years by liars, hungry journalist and corrupt politicians its left the general public misinformed, ignoring the non biased science but paying attention to exaggerated headlines in the tabloids. The weird thing is, its not illegal because its harmful and it gets you high. If that was the case alcohol and tobacco would be class A drugs. Its illegal because of personal prejudices, greed, cowardice, political agenda, the power of the alcohol lobby and a fear of hemp production. Nothing to do with science, expert advice, public opinion, or our heath and safety.

End the prohibition of cannabis.

Introduce a regulated system of supply through licensed outlets to adults only which will minimise all health and social harms.

Permit doctors to prescribe one of the safest and most effective medicines known to science.

Pull the rug from under organised crime.

Boost the UK economy by up to £9.3 billion per annum.

The truth about cannabis is CLEAR.

Comment Warriors are back !

the wall wrote:
Comment Warriors are back !

LOL and here to stay as long as this unjust, dangerous prohibition continues to exist.

focusonpeace wrote:

the wall wrote: Comment Warriors are back !

LOL and here to stay as long as this unjust, dangerous prohibition continues to exist.

I don't mind your well balanced comment. But Jack the lad flipped out last time and made all sorts of acquisitions towards me. Then didn't bother to back them up.

Cannabis has many good uses but it's still harmful.

the wall wrote:

focusonpeace wrote:

the wall wrote: Comment Warriors are back !

LOL and here to stay as long as this unjust, dangerous prohibition continues to exist.

I don't mind your well balanced comment. But Jack the lad flipped out last time and made all sorts of acquisitions towards me. Then didn't bother to back them up.

Cannabis has many good uses but it's still harmful.

The only "acquisitions" you need to make are the courage to comment in your own name and some manners. Then you'll have acquired all you need to stop your stupid accusations.

the wall wrote:

focusonpeace wrote:

the wall wrote: Comment Warriors are back !

LOL and here to stay as long as this unjust, dangerous prohibition continues to exist.

I don't mind your well balanced comment. But Jack the lad flipped out last time and made all sorts of acquisitions towards me. Then didn't bother to back them up.

Cannabis has many good uses but it's still harmful.

Sugar, salt, fatty food are far from harmless, but it would be mad to criminalize snacks and incarcerate unhealthy dieters.

Cannabis, i agree is not harmless, but what a crazy world we live in to introduce policies and laws which only increase dangers of something less harmful than the two socially acceptable legal drugs - Alcohol and tobacco. Most people accept prohibition does nothing to reduce cannabis use, so why is it existent? Nothing to do with the harms and dangers, if it was alcohol and tobacco would be class A's. More to do with political agenda, personal prejudices, greed, cowardice, the power of the alcohol and tobacco lobby and of course GW pharma (who grow cannabis for medicine, even though our leaders keep telling us 'no medicinal value in cannabis' and ignore the science and expert advice.)

Seriously though, prohibition is very dangerous, more so than cannabis, and cannabis is not even that harmful compared to most drugs legal or illegal. In fact even with out comparison its pretty non toxic and humanly impossible to overdose and die.

In my opinion, the more dangerous the substance, the more it needs controlling and regulating. Not left in the hands of dealers and criminals.

Jack Stanley Evans wrote:

the wall wrote:

focusonpeace wrote:

the wall wrote: Comment Warriors are back !

LOL and here to stay as long as this unjust, dangerous prohibition continues to exist.

I don't mind your well balanced comment. But Jack the lad flipped out last time and made all sorts of acquisitions towards me. Then didn't bother to back them up. Cannabis has many good uses but it's still harmful.

The only "acquisitions" you need to make are the courage to comment in your own name and some manners. Then you'll have acquired all you need to stop your stupid accusations.

Sorry thinking about one thing and writing another, of cause that should read accusation.

You got the hump because I said something you didn't want to hear and you don't know my real name, that's really bugging you.


Do tell me what laws of the land and terms & conditions of this site I have broken by not using my 'real name' ?
That right none.


Oh hang on it's ok for 'focusonpeace' to use this name because you agree with what they are saying. Double standards. LOL

So are you going on every forum on the interweb demanding to know peoples 'real name' ?

Are you the interweb police?
I see you have had your comments removed. Ashamed of the threats you fired at me?

You talk about manners, again please do offer up any proof you have.

Maybe smoking to much weed is getting to your mental state of mind. This is just a guess I'm no doctor. I'm just someone who has seen the long term effect of weed on close friends.

the wall wrote:

Jack Stanley Evans wrote:

the wall wrote:

focusonpeace wrote:

the wall wrote: Comment Warriors are back !

LOL and here to stay as long as this unjust, dangerous prohibition continues to exist.

I don't mind your well balanced comment. But Jack the lad flipped out last time and made all sorts of acquisitions towards me. Then didn't bother to back them up. Cannabis has many good uses but it's still harmful.

The only "acquisitions" you need to make are the courage to comment in your own name and some manners. Then you'll have acquired all you need to stop your stupid accusations.

Sorry thinking about one thing and writing another, of cause that should read accusation.

You got the hump because I said something you didn't want to hear and you don't know my real name, that's really bugging you.


Do tell me what laws of the land and terms & conditions of this site I have broken by not using my 'real name' ?
That right none.


Oh hang on it's ok for 'focusonpeace' to use this name because you agree with what they are saying. Double standards. LOL

So are you going on every forum on the interweb demanding to know peoples 'real name' ?

Are you the interweb police?
I see you have had your comments removed. Ashamed of the threats you fired at me?

You talk about manners, again please do offer up any proof you have.

Maybe smoking to much weed is getting to your mental state of mind. This is just a guess I'm no doctor. I'm just someone who has seen the long term effect of weed on close friends.

Abuse, irrelevant ranting, false accusations.... Just go and bang your head against it even harder.

Jack Stanley Evans wrote:

the wall wrote:

Jack Stanley Evans wrote:

the wall wrote:

focusonpeace wrote:

the wall wrote: Comment Warriors are back !

LOL and here to stay as long as this unjust, dangerous prohibition continues to exist.

I don't mind your well balanced comment. But Jack the lad flipped out last time and made all sorts of acquisitions towards me. Then didn't bother to back them up. Cannabis has many good uses but it's still harmful.

The only "acquisitions" you need to make are the courage to comment in your own name and some manners. Then you'll have acquired all you need to stop your stupid accusations.

Sorry thinking about one thing and writing another, of cause that should read accusation. You got the hump because I said something you didn't want to hear and you don't know my real name, that's really bugging you. Do tell me what laws of the land and terms & conditions of this site I have broken by not using my 'real name' ? That right none. Oh hang on it's ok for 'focusonpeace' to use this name because you agree with what they are saying. Double standards. LOL So are you going on every forum on the interweb demanding to know peoples 'real name' ? Are you the interweb police? I see you have had your comments removed. Ashamed of the threats you fired at me? You talk about manners, again please do offer up any proof you have. Maybe smoking to much weed is getting to your mental state of mind. This is just a guess I'm no doctor. I'm just someone who has seen the long term effect of weed on close friends.

Abuse, irrelevant ranting, false accusations.... Just go and bang your head against it even harder.

Funny how users become pretty self-righteous about their right to use it.

1) Abuse - Where ? Offer up the proof. It's ok I have some of your leaders comments saved. Where he gave abuse to people.

2) irrelevant ranting - Sorry didn't know you were the judge on what's relevant.

3) false accusations - Really!
Don't worry I have the proof saved of your leader calling people names, all ready for when you take me to court.

Don't do it myself, but can see some of the arguments for it. Certainly I think alcohol is very much more dangerous. Not just to one's health but in terms of the antisocial behavior that it provokes. I drink in pubs a lot and have to say that I've not witnessed a weed user kick off. Not saying it doesn't happen but that's my personal experience. However, I have seen more alcohol fueled rows than I can even begin to remember.

PaulErith wrote:
Don't do it myself, but can see some of the arguments for it. Certainly I think alcohol is very much more dangerous. Not just to one's health but in terms of the antisocial behavior that it provokes. I drink in pubs a lot and have to say that I've not witnessed a weed user kick off. Not saying it doesn't happen but that's my personal experience. However, I have seen more alcohol fueled rows than I can even begin to remember.

Unfortunately, that is the nature of alcohol.

I've never beaten any one after a beer/wine. Maybe it's just down to substance abuse. Something which happens with all drugs.

the wall wrote:
I've never beaten any one after a beer/wine. Maybe it's just down to substance abuse. Something which happens with all drugs.

Well thats the point, alcohol and violence go hand in hand more than any other drug, especially cannabis. So that puts soft drugs like cannabis in perspective.

Like you said, you have a drink of wine and you dont automatically feel the urge to act violent.

Thats down to your personality and the way alcohol effects you. Like happy drunks, and aggressive drunks are not the same.

Unfortunately in this case not every one is the same, drugs effect people in different ways. Like PauthErith said, its common knowledge that alcohol does make people become aggressive, and even though cannabis has been demonised and negative effects have been exaggerated by our media since the 30's, no one becomes aggressive after smoking cannabis. The effects are calming and relaxing, or creative and social.

I must admit, there is a clear difference in people who smoke pure cannabis, and cannabis mixed with tobacco.

Seems the pure cannabis smokers can start and stop when ever they want with out much if any withdrawal.

The same cannot be said about people who mix tobacco with cannabis. when they give up, cut down, or take a break from using, i notice mood swings in the same way people who cut down or give up pure tobacco.

But worlds apart from alcohol use or abuse.

99% of what you write I agree with. However comparing one drug to another is like comparing being stabbed in the heart or shot in the heart. Same result. Peoples lives get ruined. Can people handle having freedom of choice, in most cases no.

I posted this some time ago and a main member of CLEAR said I was talking rubbish. Can't help what I've seen with my own eyes.

" For at least the last 25 years I have had drug users in my regular circle of friends and my family. Many years ago I also used drugs, although cannabis was never my preferred substance. I think I can talk with some knowledge on this. Almost without exception cannabis users do not see what everyone else does. The drug becomes a lifestyle. They become under-achievers who contribute little or nothing to society. They also become pretty self-righteous about their right to use it, and how it does no damage (often using alcohol as a benchmark reference). Driving under the influence is not considered in the same light as drink driving. The user never sees just how much they have dropped-out of mainstream society. Interestingly, those I know who have stopped using cannabis have rejoined society as useful contributers. They have achieved in their lives, be it in their careers, their relationships or by supporting and nurturing growing families. They could not have achieved these things while spending their days in smoke-filled rooms. I also know two long-term users (extended family members) who have developed severe mental problems and anger management issues, and these appear to be directly linked to prolonged cannabis use from a young age. The driving with cannabis in your system could only ever be defended by another user whose perception is blinkered by the same substance. This argument will run and run because users just cannot see themselves as everyone else sees them.

Wow Wall so very very true, I can echo word for word all that you say. I would also add alcohol as well as the drug use. Same poison just another substance.

But is the answer prohibition?