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£265m funding to build new palace

12:30pm Wednesday 30th January 2008

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By Thom Kennedy »

FUNDING is in place to see a new Crystal Palace built as part of plans to overhaul a historic park.

A leading Scottish Bank, believed to be Clydesdale Bank, has given its support to the scheme in Crystal Palace Park.

It is backing plans for a smaller replica of the famous Crystal Palace as part of £265m worth of private investment in the palace, with additional funding from the park being generated by the development.

The structure, designed by architect Ray Hall, would be located on the site of the original palace, which burned down in 1936.

Sue Nagle is a member of Triangle Traders, which represents traders in Upper Norwood, and campaign group Support the Crystal Palace.

She said: "Last Tuesday I was privileged enough to meet with a major Scottish bank, and it is absolutely behind this.

"This is going to be the most prestigious building in the world."

In a letter to News Shopper, she added: "This ambitious proposal would breathe life back into the area it named, and the whole of south london, providing world-class entertainment and exhibits, education and cultural facilities.

"The areas surrounding the park have suffered from degenerating job opportunities in latter years so the 1,000 jobs the new palace would provide would be very welcome, especially for those with children leaving school.

"It would also be wonderful if children did not have to travel long distances for their entertainment."

Once built, a trust would be set up for the palace, which would pay for itself with the facilities inside.

Any surplus would be reinvested into the park through a charitable trust set up alongside the building.

Two tenants, a hotel and an entertainment complex and ski slope would be based at the site.

The central chamber - known as the barrel vault - would house galleries and an auditorium for classical and rock concerts, ballets, shows and exhibitions.

Ms Nagle said: "Once it is built we are going to have people queueing up to get into it.

"We have the Hilton Hotel and extreme sports company Xscape wanting to get in there."

However, according to the London Development Agency (LDA) which submitted the current masterplan last November, the plans for a palace would need to be submitted separately.

Ms Nagle believes the inclusion of the palace is necessary to make the LDA's plans for the site financially viable.

The LDA plans to put in a tree canopy which could be used as a car park for major events in the park on the site of the old palace.

Its masterplan also includes an Olympic-size swimming pool in a new regional sports centre, which would have a grassed roof to blend into the landscape, a tree-top walkway and tropical greenhouses, funded by selling off parkland for housing.

An LDA spokesman said: "The masterplan has already been submitted and large-scale changes of this nature are not viable at this stage.

"It has been developed over a number of years in consultation with the community in the Crystal Palace Park area."

An exhibition of the palace scheme will be held in the Cscape Galleries, Church Street, Crystal Palace, from February 2 to February 18. Admission is free.

Clydesdale Bank declined to comment on the scheme.

Bromley council leader Stephen Carr said: "It has been an aspiration for about 10 years now to build a scaled down version of the original Crystal Palace on the top site.

"It would give long-term stability to the park and would be a great attraction."

It could take up to a year before a decision is made on the LDA plans.


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Eagles Man, Anerley says...
1:13pm Wed 30 Jan 08

Wot? No John Payne whinging and moaning?

Something's up.

richard francis, thornton heath/upper norwood border says...
5:13pm Wed 30 Jan 08

John Payne may not be commenting. However, I shall. Consider this:

Some 200 luxury housing units, loss of camping & caravan site, enlarged/doubled bus terminus, tram-route plus station, more development within the NSC and now this..
a huge commercial operation, masquerading as a rebuilt Crystal Palace.

Not much park left!!!

cassie, bromley says...
5:30pm Wed 30 Jan 08

do these people have no soul, the thought of this beautiful park being turned into a "world class" entertainment centre is sickening


M Hookham, penge says...
12:30pm Thu 31 Jan 08

I do think some have a rather romantic view of the current Crystal Palace Park. There are large areas of enclosed space, derelict land and I've never been convinced of the virtues of a caravan park.

The area does need better public transport, local jobs and amenities that will bring people to the area to ensure future prosperity.

Any development needs to be treated sensitively but Crystal Palace Park currently isn't the oasis many make out it is...

richard francis, thornton heath/upper norwood border says...
3:08pm Thu 31 Jan 08

There is already an excellent transport system in place for all those who require it - buses galore, trains galore, and walking/cycling routes galore.

Local jobs can be created by imaginative local enterprises, without a mega-development ON the Park itself, which would simply create havoc, destroying any semblance of tranquility within the park boundaries, especially flanking the Parade and Anerley Hill.

Caravan & camping areas have maybe a minority following in this era of 'comfort', pampered, all-inclusive, package holidays. However, the wildlife, trees, shrubs and fauna, within the current site, like those of a golf course (to give a more popular analogy) or a fishing pond/lake, bear witness to this excellent way of preserving the overall 'green lung' which the Park provides, in an otherwise densely urbanised environment.
The Caravan & Camping Club also contributes to the local economy!!

Oasis for romantics ....maybe not quite .... more of a peaceful patch of Metropolitan Open Land ( warts & all, yet steeped in history), which affords relaxation, exercise, fresh air and, above all, an opportunity to escape the shopping malls, roads, streets, pavements, noise, pollution, crime (hopefully less likelihood thereof in the Park) and the stress of modern living. Especially for those many hundreds of thousands who live in tower blocks, or flats, or hostels, without any access to a garden, however small, of their own (my figures include the whole of South London).

As for amenities, take your pick - the markets, libraries, swimming pools, pubs, restaurants, betting shops; the list is endless.......

Lorraine, Crystal Palace says...
6:13pm Thu 31 Jan 08

If people have been whingeing about the possibility of flats being built, why so gung-ho about a hotel?
I don't think everything is bad about this idea but 'entertainment complex' could either be good or potentially mean something as naff as the multiplex idea. What the hell is wrong with a park being a park - South London needs a green lung.

Lee, Crystal Palace says...
7:34pm Thu 31 Jan 08

A great idea, hope it happens. A lot of the park is unusable, and this would be a great addition, and make crystal palace an even more exciting place to live! A much better idea than a car park surrounded by tree!

Up the palace!

bebofpenge, Australia says...
6:06am Fri 1 Feb 08

When the Palace was moved to the site it was very much a commercial enterprise. It has been sad that such a great site has lain derelict for more than 70 years. If it hadn't been for the popularity of the lakes and dinosaurs it would probably have been a housing estate by now.

Elaine Nevin, Farnborough, Bromley says...
11:58am Sun 3 Feb 08

The Past, Present and Future Exhibition at the Cscape Galleries yesterday was a very positive experience. As usual, everyone I personally talked to can’t wait to see the Palace built. The general feelings are that it will inject some life and revenue into the area, and give the younger members of our society somewhere to go. The project will be educational, informative and entertaining – and as one very long-standing resident put it – ‘What on Earth is there NOT to like about this idea?’

richard francis, thornton heath/upper norwood border says...
9:14pm Sun 3 Feb 08

Maybe not quite "everyone", Elaine, since you and I did exchange some thoughts and I seem to remember writing one or two of my misgivings in your visitors' book. Never mind me, however, as indeed 'everyone' else seemed to welcome the prospect.

How you convince a wider audience is another matter entirely....

sue nagle, crystal palace says...
12:16am Mon 4 Feb 08

Richard, I know that your comment was supposed to be sarcastic but in fact what you said was absolutely correct. The exhibition was open from 12 till 6 and you were in fact the only person through the door who didn't like the scheme, though as you spent a long time reading the visitors comments you will already know this! The exhibition will be of interest to anyone with an interest in Crystal Palace;past, present or future and we would love to see as many people as possible. It is at 28-30, Church Road, Crystal Palace,SE19 2ET weekdays 12-3 and 6-8 and weekends 12-5 next Sat. 9th Feb would be a good day to bring children as we hope to have have music, face painting and guys on stilts. There is also a badge design competitition with a £50 prize Yu can also see the original working box that Sir Stafford Northcote used to hold the papers for the Great Exhibition 1851 Crystal Palace and paintings before unseen of the palace and grounds.

mikee, London says...
1:49pm Mon 4 Feb 08

This is awesome news!!!

Can we at FBBB help fund raise for this potential project?

This would be great for the community of London!!! Especially all the kids!

Please make it happen! I will lend my heart & sould for this!


Elaine Nevin, Farnborough, Bromley says...
9:47pm Mon 4 Feb 08

“Maybe not quite "everyone", Elaine, since you and I did exchange some thoughts” You talked, Richard and I listened. For quite a long time.
When you announced my surname with a flourish and exclaimed that it was down to forensics, I’m afraid my son and I did have a bit of a teehee moment, as we had both been watching you reading the Visitors’ Book for a good 10 minutes beforehand!
“How you convince a wider audience is another matter entirely....” No need to convince anyone, Richard. The information is there to see and read. And of course you need VISION, and not surprisingly we met so many positive and excited people on the first day of the Exhibition alone, that forgive me if I sound rude, but of course I wouldn’t remember you too long after you left the premises. I put that down to being a ‘half-full’ as opposed to a ‘half-empty’ kind of gal, and as Sue had already stated in her posting, there were just so many positive people, it really is easy to forget that one, lonely isolated negative case.


richard francis, thornton heath/upper norwood border says...
10:10am Tue 5 Feb 08

Thank you, Elaine, for being so forthright in your views and your
'interpretation' of my visit to the exhibition. I shall ignore any inaccuracies/exagger
ations in the latter and accept the former gracefully.

My recall of your surname was not, I am afraid to say, from looking at your visitors' book, but from something you had recently written to the local press. More perhaps a matter of guesswork or association of ideas, than "forensics", which was indeed the word I used.

A lot of my time was spent making notes from the printed sheets on the central notice boards. I did ponder what I had written in the Visitors' book, to make sure that it was what I had meant to put! I also found the exhibits elsewhere of interest.

richard francis, thornton heath/upper norwood border says...
10:49am Tue 5 Feb 08

"You talked, Richard, and I listened" is strange, since I asked Elaine where she came from, where she lived now and what her son thought about it all - she voiced her concerns to me about the dangers for youngsters, wherever they go, and how her son would feel safer within the new development, were it to be built, within the Park, because there would be more people around. So I now know about Elaine's local background,including where she has moved around, often near the Park (for example, Dulwich, and off the Parade), which she obviously has a very good knowledge of, and affinity with.

Earlier, Elaine asked me who I was, since we had not (to my knowledge, or hers) met before, and I told her my local connections with the area.

Elaine Nevin, Farnborough Bromley says...
4:23pm Tue 5 Feb 08

You certainly did!

Len, Crystal Palace says...
10:29am Tue 22 Apr 08

Is this £265 million or a mortgage for that amount? I have £182k "funding" for my flat, but if I dont pay the installments the bank will reposses it. Lordy knows what the repayments are on that amount! If they cant pay does the bank own the park?

richard francis, thornton heath/upper norwood border says...
5:40pm Sat 10 May 08

Excellent reasoning, Len. In essence, a nice little piece of real estate (currently MOL, Grade 2* Registered) for Clydesdale Bank - no wonder they are keen. I wouldn't mind a bit of self-delusion on the part of Ray Hall and his followers, as long as they don't expect us to be cheated of our Parkland, in order to satisfy their egos, which in effect is their end-game. Sad, but true.

What I would now like to know is how the LDA view all this, and what is Bromley's position? Two major players, not forgetting, of course, all those who would like to preserve what is left of this public Park and who are sick to death of the commercial spivs, masquerading as saviours of South London, who wish to sacrifice a substantial slice of it, so that we can all "enjoy", or be fleeced at, their "Crystal Clip-Joint" (my copyright).

Maybe, BOJO will come to our rescue??

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Funding is in place to build a new Crystal Palace. Pic: Coutesy of  Andrew Williamson Cllr Stephen Carr

Funding is in place to build a new Crystal Palace. DRAWING COURTESY OF ANDREW WILLIAMSON

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