THE MOTHER of a 16-year-old boy killed during a fight on Saturday night has paid tribute to the "most loving boy that ever walked this earth".
Ben Hitchcock died after he was stabbed in a fight in Southend Road, Beckenham, at the junction with Calverley Close, at 11.36pm.
Eyewitnesses described youths wielding metal chains, poles and pick-axe handles in the fight, which is now the subject of a murder investigation.
Ben, who was a Year 11 pupil at Kelsey Park Sports College, in Manor Way, Beckenham, was taken to Lewisham Hospital by ambulance, where he was pronounced dead.
Lee Hitchcock, of Blean Grove, Penge, said: "My son was loved very much by his family and many friends.
"We will miss him terribly, more than anything in the world.
"Ben was the kindest, happiest and most loving boy that ever walked this earth.
"He was 16 and had just finished his exams at school.
"He had the rest of his life before him.
"I appeal to anyone who knows who killed my Ben to get in touch with the police.
"We must know the truth about what happened."
Ben, who was nicknamed Swipe, was believed to be a member of the Penge Block gang.
Perry Watson, an ex-member of the gang said: "We were from the same area and we played football together.
"I'd known him for around two years, we just started jamming.
"He was down to earth, caring, loving and the joker of the group.
"He was always making everyone laugh.
"We lost a friend called Stefan this year from Norwood so we are trying to keep as a team and stay strong but it's all gone wrong."
The 17-year-old added the gang, which is thought to consist of around 80 members, is planning to pay tribute to Ben by printing and wearing T-shirts reading RIP Swipe.
Ben's headteacher, Brian Lloyd, said: "We are all absolutely devastated and shocked, it's a tragic loss of a young man's life.
"Our thoughts are with his family at this time.
"He had worked so hard to pass his exams and I understand he was looking to do a course at Bromley College.
"It's just such a waste.
"He was just a normal kid, he was chipper and had a great personality.
"He was just a normal kid who did normal things."
His last words were 'Please help me, phone my mum'
One woman who was driving past the fight, stopped to try and help Ben.
The 30-year-old mother-of-four said: "His last words were 'Please help me, phone my mum'.
"I just saw him lying on the pavement, his mates were saying 'Come on, you can't leave us like this, get up and run'.
"They were only kids, it's all street wars between Blue borough and Green borough.
"We get it all the time and there will be a lot more because there's nothing for the kids to do.
"They need to be taught violence is not the answer."
Neighbours from the flats overlooking the scene have described the "mayhem" of a "terrifying" incident.
An ex-police officer, who does not want to be named, described how the incident unfolded.
He said: "We heard lots of shouting in the street and all of a sudden there were somewhere between 30 to 40 youths there.
"There was one large gang who seemed predominantly black, who came from the direction of Lewisham.
"The other gang came from the direction of Beckenham and seemed to be mixed.
"They were carrying pick-axe handles, metal scaffolding poles and other homemade weapons and swinging chains above their heads.
"They seemed to be big guys and they all pulled their hoodies up when they were around 50 yards away from each other.
'They were all armed and up for trouble'
"They were all armed and up for trouble - that much was obvious.
"These people were out for one reason and that was to seriously injure or worse.
"They were armed, they were organized and they came out of the silence and caused mayhem.
"Different fights seemed to be going on between different people, cars were having to turn around and go back or just accelerate straight through them.
"It must have been absolutely terrifying for people driving through it - I think some of the gang members were trying to hit the cars.
"It was just a big melee, there was fighting going on all over the place.
'It was bordering on a riot'
"It didn't look to me like any one person was being targeted, it was bordering on a riot.
"We called the police but the fighting was going on for a good five or 10 minutes before they arrived.
"We saw the boy who we later learned had died, lying on the pavement. An ambulance fast response car arrived about five minutes later.
"The ambulance crew was working on him for a while - by this point the Lewisham gang had already withdrawn in the direction they had come from.
"The Beckenham gang also seemed to vanish - apart from six or seven people who stayed with the victim."
Some residents from the overlooking estate say they have heard rumours the fight was over a girl and took place after a party.
The eye-witness added: "We have heard the same hearsay.
"There was lots of shouting but I did not hear one racist comment.
"It was orchestrated and planned and I have to say I am quite concerned about reprisals."
A post-mortem examination held yesterday at the Princess Royal University Hospital, in Farnborough, revealed the cause of death as a stab wound to the abdomen.
An inquest into Ben's death will open and adjourn at Croydon Coroners' Court tomorrow.
So far 14 youths have been arrested in connection with the investigation, including one girl.
All 14, who are aged between 13 and 16-years-old, were bailed last night and will return to a south London police station on June 27.
A police spokesman said: "It is believed it began after a group tried to enter a house near to Southend Road, where a party was in progress.
"That group was excluded and the party then finished.
"We believe calls were made to others and as the partygoers entered the street, their number was supplemented by others arriving, bringing the total to around 40.
"A number of knives and bricks were recovered from the scene."
At a press conference at Southend Road, Detective Superintendent Simon Morgan said: "Up to 40 youths were involved in the incident which began when approximately six boys were barred from entering a party in a nearby location.
"Police arrived and the party was closed.
"A group left the party and the incident took place shortly afterwards.
"Anyone in the area on Saturday who may have seen the incident please come forward.
"All parents of teenagers who may have been at the party, speak to them and help us piece together what happened."
A Bromley police spokesman told News Shopper they had increased patrols in the area since the incident in response to community concerns, but stressed there had been no specific threats of reprisals.
The incident is being investigated by the Homicide and Serious Crime Command, based at Lewisham, under DCI Dave Garwood.
Anyone with information should contact the incident room on 020 8721 4961, or Crimestoppers 0800 555 111 to remain anonymous.
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Posted by: John, Beckenham Hill Road on 2:03pm Sun 24 Jun 07
Too much killings in London. I wondered why there were a police van and police car driving around the estate - I couldn't believe it when i found out what happened from another source.
R.I.P.
Too much killings in London. I wondered why there were a police van and police car driving around the estate - I couldn't believe it when i found out what happened from another source.
[bold]bold[/bold] [italic]italic[/italic] STOP KNIFE CRIME TO MANY KIDS ARE DIEIN FOR NO REASON RIP TO THIS BOY AND REST IN PEICE TO BUSTER WHU WAS ALSO 16 AND GOT KILLED BY A KNIFE FOR NO REASON
STOP KNIFE CRIME TO MANY KIDS ARE DIEIN FOR NO REASON RIP TO THIS BOY AND REST IN PEICE TO BUSTER WHU WAS ALSO 16 AND GOT KILLED BY A KNIFE FOR NO REASON
Posted by: miss davies, beckenham on 4:45pm Sun 24 Jun 07
I couldn't believe my eyes last night when i saw around 50 youths ( mainly black) running towards each other. I live in Calverley Close Off of Southend road and I was in a car with my friends on our way home, as I overlooked upon the caous all i could see was bottles smashing and hear people screaminG. I even saw one person carrying a large metal pole. There were youths absolutley everywhere, running into the road and getting hit by cars. Me and my friends dialled 999. Me and my partner could see a few people lying on the floor, one seemed to be white and had about 10 people crowded around him ( we later learned that he had died).The police showed up followed by a paramedic and then finally the ambulance. Never in my life have I seen such a violent and viscous attack.
I couldn't believe my eyes last night when i saw around 50 youths ( mainly black) running towards each other. I live in Calverley Close Off of Southend road and I was in a car with my friends on our way home, as I overlooked upon the caous all i could see was bottles smashing and hear people screaminG. I even saw one person carrying a large metal pole. There were youths absolutley everywhere, running into the road and getting hit by cars. Me and my friends dialled 999. Me and my partner could see a few people lying on the floor, one seemed to be white and had about 10 people crowded around him ( we later learned that he had died).The police showed up followed by a paramedic and then finally the ambulance. Never in my life have I seen such a violent and viscous attack.
Posted by: real eye witness, blue bis on 5:18pm Sun 24 Jun 07
whoever you have in your article saying that they were an eye witness does not know what he i talkin about. being a witness on the bus, i saw the gang from penge plan their ambush on those [bold]walking back[/bold] to [bold]lewisham. the gang from penge including the white boy who got stabbed then got off the bus and made chase[/bold]
whoever you have in your article saying that they were an eye witness does not know what he i talkin about. being a witness on the bus, i saw the gang from penge plan their ambush on those walking back to lewisham. the gang from penge including the white boy who got stabbed then got off the bus and made chase
Posted by: Jason Bridge, Beckenham on 5:34pm Sun 24 Jun 07
This happened right outside my home, and terrifying is absolutely the right word. Both 'sides' obviously knew what they were doing, and presumably met in this location as it is usually quiet, giving them plenty of time before any police arrived.
This happened right outside my home, and terrifying is absolutely the right word. Both 'sides' obviously knew what they were doing, and presumably met in this location as it is usually quiet, giving them plenty of time before any police arrived.
Posted by: Simon, Beckenham on 5:41pm Sun 24 Jun 07
I think we have a gang member and witness in our midst, in the form of JJ from Penge, who has posted on here. I cannot believe tyhis has happened in Beckenham.
I think we have a gang member and witness in our midst, in the form of JJ from Penge, who has posted on here. I cannot believe tyhis has happened in Beckenham.
This is the liberal/lawless world you all voted for! get used to it.
Liberty, the howard league and Guardian readers must be delighted as their, look after the criminal approach is going the way we new it would.
[bold]So glad i'm going to OZ![/bold]
This is the liberal/lawless world you all voted for! get used to it.
Liberty, the howard league and Guardian readers must be delighted as their, look after the criminal approach is going the way we new it would.
Posted by: Lisa, Beckenham on 7:11pm Sun 24 Jun 07
I'm just wondering if any of these 'kids' stop to think about the consequence of their actions? [bold]Yet another set of parents have to bury their child[/bold] ; my heart goes out to the family. 'Kids', please stop to think what the world will be like when you have children - god forbid, they haven't got a hope in hells chance.....
I'm just wondering if any of these 'kids' stop to think about the consequence of their actions? Yet another set of parents have to bury their child ; my heart goes out to the family. 'Kids', please stop to think what the world will be like when you have children - god forbid, they haven't got a hope in hells chance.....
Posted by: CharlOtt3..x, Beckenham hill roaddd on 8:21pm Sun 24 Jun 07
[bold]I Saw The People Who Done It..I Thiink..They Went Through My Estate..At Aboutt..11;00..and there was 8..then one trailing bhindd..wiff his phone but i didnt see there faces but i think they was black dohh[/bold]
I Saw The People Who Done It..I Thiink..They Went Through My Estate..At Aboutt..11;00..and there was 8..then one trailing bhindd..wiff his phone but i didnt see there faces but i think they was black dohh
Posted by: STEPHEN, bromley on 8:45pm Sun 24 Jun 07
[quote][bold]jj[/bold] wrote:
R I P Swipe[/quote] man u will be miss. we will never forget a tru fallen soilder.
penge blok all day
RIP SWIIPE ALLS BE REMEMBED
jj wrote:
R I P Swipe
man u will be miss. we will never forget a tru fallen soilder.
penge blok all day
10 years of a Blair government and this is what he leaves us with. Cheers Blair you did a great job by cutting crime!!!. My last desperate thought for a country already out of control is to bring back the death penalty, you can't change these people they like who they have become, there's no threat to them which ultimately makes this once proud country lawless!!!
10 years of a Blair government and this is what he leaves us with. Cheers Blair you did a great job by cutting crime!!!. My last desperate thought for a country already out of control is to bring back the death penalty, you can't change these people they like who they have become, there's no threat to them which ultimately makes this once proud country lawless!!!
Posted by: PENGE GIRLZ HOW OVER LOVE BEN HITCH ****, penge se20 on 9:09pm Sun 24 Jun 07
WERE REALLY SORRY THAT BEN HITCHCOCK AKA SWIPE DIED WE HATE THE FACT THAT HE ANIT AROUND US ANY MORE COZ WEN WE SEE ALL HIS MATE AGAIN WE EXPECT TO SEE HIM IN THE MIDDLE OF IT ALL YOU WILL ALL WAYZ BE LOVED AND REMEBERD ON THE BLOCK AND YOU WILL ALL WAYZ WILL BE SWIPE ALL DAY EVERY DAY SORRY THIS HAPPENED TO YOU WITCH YOU DIDNT DESERVE IN LOVING MEMORY PENGE GIRLZ PS. DEMI REMI RUDI GRACE AND NOT THE REMI HU ROTE DAT THING BOUT MUSLIMS
WERE REALLY SORRY THAT BEN HITCHCOCK AKA SWIPE DIED WE HATE THE FACT THAT HE ANIT AROUND US ANY MORE COZ WEN WE SEE ALL HIS MATE AGAIN WE EXPECT TO SEE HIM IN THE MIDDLE OF IT ALL YOU WILL ALL WAYZ BE LOVED AND REMEBERD ON THE BLOCK AND YOU WILL ALL WAYZ WILL BE SWIPE ALL DAY EVERY DAY SORRY THIS HAPPENED TO YOU WITCH YOU DIDNT DESERVE IN LOVING MEMORY PENGE GIRLZ PS. DEMI REMI RUDI GRACE AND NOT THE REMI HU ROTE DAT THING BOUT MUSLIMS
Posted by: Maddiee, Penge... on 9:25pm Sun 24 Jun 07
RIP BEN WE WILL NEVA FORGET U...IM FEELIN FOR U TWO LIL BRUVAS RYT NOW.. I KNO HOW MUCH THEY LOVED YOOH.. THEY SAW U AS A SAINT.... YOUR SAFE NOW ... R.I.P. [bold][quote]bold[/quote] [/bold] ****
RIP BEN WE WILL NEVA FORGET U...IM FEELIN FOR U TWO LIL BRUVAS RYT NOW.. I KNO HOW MUCH THEY LOVED YOOH.. THEY SAW U AS A SAINT.... YOUR SAFE NOW ... R.I.P.
Posted by: Lisselu, Beckenham on 10:56pm Sun 24 Jun 07
Comments on postings: EP, you are totally right, not sure though if Blair is to blame? [bold]bold[/bold] mother, as one to another, i know i would never recover from this if this were my son, as i am sure all of the mums would agree; and to you idiots that continue to behave this way; well there is no hope - you will be the death of us.
Comments on postings: EP, you are totally right, not sure though if Blair is to blame? mother, as one to another, i know i would never recover from this if this were my son, as i am sure all of the mums would agree; and to you idiots that continue to behave this way; well there is no hope - you will be the death of us.
Posted by: ItsDatChiick.., SouthEastSidez.. on 12:16am Mon 25 Jun 07
[bold][italic]Jus Wnna Say R.I.P BEN.H AKA SWIPE- FALLEN SOLDIER...U WOZ SOO YOUNG DIDNT DESERVE TO DIE MANN SWEAR DWN...U HAD UR LIFE AHEAD OF U..U MAY B GONE PHYSICALLY BUH JUS KNW DAT U WILL NEVA B 4GOTTEN...DEM BLOCKZ SIDEZ..BOII DOEZ HEADZ DAT DID IT R GONNA HVE 2 LIVE WIV BLOOD ON THEIR HANDS 4 LYF...
DUNNO HU DEY FINK DEY R TO TAKE SUM1'Z LYK AWAY BUH BOIII...MA LOVE IS SENT OUT TO DA FAMM..PRAYERS R WIV YUUH AT DIS MOMENT OF TIME..TAKE CAREEE..ONCE AGEN I LOVE U BENN..UR NEVA GONNA B 4GOTTEN![/italic] [/bold]
Jus Wnna Say R.I.P BEN.H AKA SWIPE- FALLEN SOLDIER...U WOZ SOO YOUNG DIDNT DESERVE TO DIE MANN SWEAR DWN...U HAD UR LIFE AHEAD OF U..U MAY B GONE PHYSICALLY BUH JUS KNW DAT U WILL NEVA B 4GOTTEN...DEM BLOCKZ SIDEZ..BOII DOEZ HEADZ DAT DID IT R GONNA HVE 2 LIVE WIV BLOOD ON THEIR HANDS 4 LYF...
DUNNO HU DEY FINK DEY R TO TAKE SUM1'Z LYK AWAY BUH BOIII...MA LOVE IS SENT OUT TO DA FAMM..PRAYERS R WIV YUUH AT DIS MOMENT OF TIME..TAKE CAREEE..ONCE AGEN I LOVE U BENN..UR NEVA GONNA B 4GOTTEN!
this is what happens when kids play at being big boy games!not so cool now,eh,;your safe now;what a load of crap,the girls sound as bad as the lads,my god ur parents must be so proud.get indoors and play with ur toys children.
this is what happens when kids play at being big boy games!not so cool now,eh,;your safe now;what a load of crap,the girls sound as bad as the lads,my god ur parents must be so proud.get indoors and play with ur toys children.
um he sounds ;a bare nice person;walking around with chains,pickaxe handles,yeah every child dos that,anyway get 2 school children sat there emailin or ur mum will get a fine! bare nice! what a load of old s***
um he sounds ;a bare nice person;walking around with chains,pickaxe handles,yeah every child dos that,anyway get 2 school children sat there emailin or ur mum will get a fine! bare nice! what a load of old s***
Posted by: fedup, Beckenham on 10:54am Mon 25 Jun 07
To Ben, aka Swipe's friends - I'm really sorry for your loss, but will any of you step forward and do anything about this? Help the police maybe? I hope so. Some of the posts on this forum are a depressing glimpse at the background of what happened on Saturday night.
To Ben, aka Swipe's friends - I'm really sorry for your loss, but will any of you step forward and do anything about this? Help the police maybe? I hope so. Some of the posts on this forum are a depressing glimpse at the background of what happened on Saturday night.
i am so sick of hearing young and old people being murdered in gang fights this boy hadn't even begun his life it is terrible the police should be on every street to be able to stop all this when i was young you didnt hear of so much killings now i hear about it every day my thoughts go out to this young boys family and friends
i am so sick of hearing young and old people being murdered in gang fights this boy hadn't even begun his life it is terrible the police should be on every street to be able to stop all this when i was young you didnt hear of so much killings now i hear about it every day my thoughts go out to this young boys family and friends
Posted by: beck, Beckenham on 11:29am Mon 25 Jun 07
What do you expect from a generation who had it drummed into them by the PC liberals that they don't have to take responsibility for their own actions?
I doubt anyone who was involved in this could ever be described as "nice".
What do you expect from a generation who had it drummed into them by the PC liberals that they don't have to take responsibility for their own actions?
I doubt anyone who was involved in this could ever be described as "nice".
I agree with everything Tony from Eltham says. What is happening in this country, soon it will be gun culture that rules the streets. And as for the 'text' talk in posts above, what is that all about? How are you going to exploit that use of the English language in any job you may have in the future?
I agree with everything Tony from Eltham says. What is happening in this country, soon it will be gun culture that rules the streets. And as for the 'text' talk in posts above, what is that all about? How are you going to exploit that use of the English language in any job you may have in the future?
Fallen soldier? A 16 year old kid isn't a soldier, and these things don't happen to decent people. My thoughts are with the young man's family but it is just a symptom of what is happening in our society, what kind of lofe can you have if you get involved in all of this - and as we can see from the posts of the kids on here, what future have they got? As a father of a young child with another on the way I am for the first time starting to worry about them growing up around here, how do we deal with the underclass, and how can we keep away from them?
Fallen soldier? A 16 year old kid isn't a soldier, and these things don't happen to decent people. My thoughts are with the young man's family but it is just a symptom of what is happening in our society, what kind of lofe can you have if you get involved in all of this - and as we can see from the posts of the kids on here, what future have they got? As a father of a young child with another on the way I am for the first time starting to worry about them growing up around here, how do we deal with the underclass, and how can we keep away from them?
Posted by: Aaron, Sydenham on 12:13pm Mon 25 Jun 07
R.I.P Ben! ''This was a targedy that happened,and something that you and your family didn't deserve''.
''These gang wars need to stop right now,enough is enough,lives are being lost ,over what area you come from,its pathetic,and at the end of the day its the parents who suffer,no parent should have to bury their own child,especially not in these circumstances,my thoughts are with ben and his family''.[quote]quote[/quote]
R.I.P Ben! ''This was a targedy that happened,and something that you and your family didn't deserve''.
''These gang wars need to stop right now,enough is enough,lives are being lost ,over what area you come from,its pathetic,and at the end of the day its the parents who suffer,no parent should have to bury their own child,especially not in these circumstances,my thoughts are with ben and his family''.
[italic]italic[/italic] I'm ap[bold]bold[/bold] palled by some of the comments left.I think the police really need to investigate the kids or should I say gang members who claim to be Ben's friends. Surely some of them know who Ben's killers are or do they plan to take the law into their own hands ??!!! Sort it out kids and do yourselves a favour and go learn something in school instead of chatting your pathetic gang lingo !!!!
I'm ap palled by some of the comments left.I think the police really need to investigate the kids or should I say gang members who claim to be Ben's friends. Surely some of them know who Ben's killers are or do they plan to take the law into their own hands ??!!! Sort it out kids and do yourselves a favour and go learn something in school instead of chatting your pathetic gang lingo !!!!
Posted by: R H, Beckenham on 12:46pm Mon 25 Jun 07
I agree totally with JM of Beckenham, this is a 16 year old boy, not a soldier. If you run with a gang and fight other gangs this is what happens. If he was at home with his family at 11.30pm he'd still be here now. This tragic death just shows how pathetic loyalty to a gang is, he paid with his life for being a gang/group member. Where were his parents at 11.30pm? When my son was 16 he was not wandering the streets looking for a fight with other gangs. lets hope that other members of the gangs in question will realise that with one dead and others facing hefty jail sentances, being members of a gang is as stupid as it gets.
I agree totally with JM of Beckenham, this is a 16 year old boy, not a soldier. If you run with a gang and fight other gangs this is what happens. If he was at home with his family at 11.30pm he'd still be here now. This tragic death just shows how pathetic loyalty to a gang is, he paid with his life for being a gang/group member. Where were his parents at 11.30pm? When my son was 16 he was not wandering the streets looking for a fight with other gangs. lets hope that other members of the gangs in question will realise that with one dead and others facing hefty jail sentances, being members of a gang is as stupid as it gets.
Why dont you stop worrying about our 'lingo' and us using the term 'soilder' this was a boy who meant alot to many ppl. We all make mistakes but no1 one should pay with their lives. Why dont you get off your high horse commenting on a child and his mourning friends and comment on an article which truly and emotionlly effects you, because no one cares for your political views there is no debate here just the loss of an amazin boy. R.I.P Ben x x
Why dont you stop worrying about our 'lingo' and us using the term 'soilder' this was a boy who meant alot to many ppl. We all make mistakes but no1 one should pay with their lives. Why dont you get off your high horse commenting on a child and his mourning friends and comment on an article which truly and emotionlly effects you, because no one cares for your political views there is no debate here just the loss of an amazin boy. R.I.P Ben x x
Amazing boy? He turned up for a "gang" fight, by all accounts "tooled" up.
He put himself in that situation. I have the deepest sympathy for his family as they are obviously suffering and had no idea of what their little boy was out doing with his evenings.
I only hope this is a lesson to all the kids that think London is the new bronx. Maybe we should send them all to spend a week in The Bronx and see how that has an affect on them. I guarantee they will all come back crying to their mummy's - if they do come back at all!!
Wake up kids! Do you not see how this disregard for human life is pathetic?? What do you actually stand to gain from acting in this way??
Wake up and smell the Panda Pop, go and kick a ball about, not each other!!
Amazing boy? He turned up for a "gang" fight, by all accounts "tooled" up.
He put himself in that situation. I have the deepest sympathy for his family as they are obviously suffering and had no idea of what their little boy was out doing with his evenings.
I only hope this is a lesson to all the kids that think London is the new bronx. Maybe we should send them all to spend a week in The Bronx and see how that has an affect on them. I guarantee they will all come back crying to their mummy's - if they do come back at all!!
Wake up kids! Do you not see how this disregard for human life is pathetic?? What do you actually stand to gain from acting in this way??
Wake up and smell the Panda Pop, go and kick a ball about, not each other!!
Would this "amazin boy" you keep talking about have stabbed one of the other gang if he had been able to? Or had he accidentaly turned up for a gang fight, armed?
Would this "amazin boy" you keep talking about have stabbed one of the other gang if he had been able to? Or had he accidentaly turned up for a gang fight, armed?
agreed rusco, if it was a member of the other lot killed, this lot would be whooping it up i bet, get a life kids stop thinking you sooo hard, you not. did any of you not think this would end in disaster? what did you think would happen....i tell you something. NONE OF YOU THINK thats the problem. now grow up...your mate Ben cant.
agreed rusco, if it was a member of the other lot killed, this lot would be whooping it up i bet, get a life kids stop thinking you sooo hard, you not. did any of you not think this would end in disaster? what did you think would happen....i tell you something. NONE OF YOU THINK thats the problem. now grow up...your mate Ben cant.
Posted by: forgoodnesssake on 1:40pm Mon 25 Jun 07
I respect that this is a public place to pay your condolences, and I have no doubt that there is a possibility that Ben, (aka Swipe) was a completely innocent party in this huge, violent meeting. Mourn him of course, but don't bloody celebrate him as a hero.
I respect that this is a public place to pay your condolences, and I have no doubt that there is a possibility that Ben, (aka Swipe) was a completely innocent party in this huge, violent meeting. Mourn him of course, but don't bloody celebrate him as a hero.
First of all, I send my sympathy to Ben's parents, as they have to now bury a son, and for what? I however wonder why people seem so surprised, angry, etc as to why someone has been killed when it seems thats exactly what he went out to do, maybe not kill but to do as mush damage as possible. He was in a gang, he had a weapon, he went to fight. Hey. I don't know the answer, but if the young men and women continue, they will kill off thier generation so I wont have to worry about what kind of society my young children will be growing up in. HURRY UP as you lot can't find anything better to do. And to all the parents of the children who were there on Saturday night, congratulations for bringing up such wonderful children
First of all, I send my sympathy to Ben's parents, as they have to now bury a son, and for what? I however wonder why people seem so surprised, angry, etc as to why someone has been killed when it seems thats exactly what he went out to do, maybe not kill but to do as mush damage as possible. He was in a gang, he had a weapon, he went to fight. Hey. I don't know the answer, but if the young men and women continue, they will kill off thier generation so I wont have to worry about what kind of society my young children will be growing up in. HURRY UP as you lot can't find anything better to do. And to all the parents of the children who were there on Saturday night, congratulations for bringing up such wonderful children
Posted by: Anon, thamesmead on 1:57pm Mon 25 Jun 07
I cannot believe the English used by what I assume to be people from the same peer group as this young boy. Incredible poor and just reflects on the youth of today.This 'street lingo' is illegible and pointless.
(I am a 26year old man and cannot believe the posts above)
Also, it is very sad that people believe him to be a 'fallen soldier' what on earth do you think being a soldier is about exactly ?
Being a soldier instills respect for the law, your self and a sense of morality.
Not this wannabe South Central LA gangbanger cr*p.
Its so sad that young uneducated people look upto this rubbish.
Deepest Sympathy to his parents and family
but if he is running with a gang of hoodlums at 11o'clock at night, most of whom are carrying weapons and obv. out for a fight.....then the inevitable will happen.
that is just the reality of the situation.
I cannot believe the English used by what I assume to be people from the same peer group as this young boy. Incredible poor and just reflects on the youth of today.This 'street lingo' is illegible and pointless.
(I am a 26year old man and cannot believe the posts above)
Also, it is very sad that people believe him to be a 'fallen soldier' what on earth do you think being a soldier is about exactly ?
Being a soldier instills respect for the law, your self and a sense of morality.
Not this wannabe South Central LA gangbanger cr*p.
Its so sad that young uneducated people look upto this rubbish.
Deepest Sympathy to his parents and family
but if he is running with a gang of hoodlums at 11o'clock at night, most of whom are carrying weapons and obv. out for a fight.....then the inevitable will happen.
that is just the reality of the situation.
Posted by: Wallet, Bromley on 1:58pm Mon 25 Jun 07
Sadly what we are seeing here is the latest "trend" or "fad". To copy our neighbours from across the pond. Seeing "black" gang culture as the "in thing". This will only come to an end when or if kids realise that they don't have to do what their mates say. My kids are teenagers and I'm terrified that they'll be sucked into this idiotic behaviour. Kids MUST think for themselves. They MUST avoid the sheep mentality and realise that following others is a sign of huge weakness, not of strength. I have deep sympathy for Ben's family and I hope that all kids reading this wake up and smell the coffee. Gangs and turf war is for weak, small minded futureless cretins.
Sadly what we are seeing here is the latest "trend" or "fad". To copy our neighbours from across the pond. Seeing "black" gang culture as the "in thing". This will only come to an end when or if kids realise that they don't have to do what their mates say. My kids are teenagers and I'm terrified that they'll be sucked into this idiotic behaviour. Kids MUST think for themselves. They MUST avoid the sheep mentality and realise that following others is a sign of huge weakness, not of strength. I have deep sympathy for Ben's family and I hope that all kids reading this wake up and smell the coffee. Gangs and turf war is for weak, small minded futureless cretins.
Funny how everyone says he was such a nice guy. He was "down to earth, caring, loving". I can see how down to earth, caring and loving he and his mates were with their pick-axe handles, metal scaffolding poles and other homemade weapons swinging above their heads. We need zero tolerance policing back - these kids give no benefit to society as they are now. In 10 years time, if they are all alive, what beneficial jobs will they all be doing? They are wasting their lives because their parents don't care about them, their teachers have less rights than the kids and the police are no where to be seen. Sadly not one of those gang members will learn anything about this boy's death other than trying to get revenge.
Funny how everyone says he was such a nice guy. He was "down to earth, caring, loving". I can see how down to earth, caring and loving he and his mates were with their pick-axe handles, metal scaffolding poles and other homemade weapons swinging above their heads. We need zero tolerance policing back - these kids give no benefit to society as they are now. In 10 years time, if they are all alive, what beneficial jobs will they all be doing? They are wasting their lives because their parents don't care about them, their teachers have less rights than the kids and the police are no where to be seen. Sadly not one of those gang members will learn anything about this boy's death other than trying to get revenge.
Couldn't agree more Al. They went looking for a fight and one of them died. It could just as easily have been one of the rival gang members.
It wasn't an accident. It was murder.
He was apparently the joker of the group. I wonder if his "mates" found it funny watching him bleed to death.
Couldn't agree more Al. They went looking for a fight and one of them died. It could just as easily have been one of the rival gang members.
It wasn't an accident. It was murder.
He was apparently the joker of the group. I wonder if his "mates" found it funny watching him bleed to death.
Posted by: Bombjack, Shortlands on 2:09pm Mon 25 Jun 07
Spot on Rusco.
We see plenty of these "Amazing Boys" hanging around Beckenham/Bromley. Violent little thugs - going nowhere with their lives.
My sympathies only go out to the decent people of Beckenham - who have to put up with these lowlifes.
And as for the "text" speak in here - how do you people actually manage to breath in and out all day with that level of intelligence? Frightening
Spot on Rusco.
We see plenty of these "Amazing Boys" hanging around Beckenham/Bromley. Violent little thugs - going nowhere with their lives.
My sympathies only go out to the decent people of Beckenham - who have to put up with these lowlifes.
And as for the "text" speak in here - how do you people actually manage to breath in and out all day with that level of intelligence? Frightening
Posted by: Disgusted with this country, Beckenham on 2:10pm Mon 25 Jun 07
I cannot believe what this country is turning into, everyday you hear about another stabbing or shooting it is disgraceful that these people go out with weapons looking for a fight. And the fact that there is no punishment for the thugs that murder is the reason that it is happening day in day out. And to all those out looking for fights at the weekends you all need to grow up and get a life, start getting the most out of life and live the life that unfortunatly your friend Ben can't. There is a big wide world out there and there is help for all of you but fighting is not the answer! What ever happened to a little scrap with fist, you guys who go 'tooled' up are weak and pathetic. Seriuosly sort your lives out, just stop and think, the next time you might be targeted and just imagine how your loving parents and families will feel having to bury their young child, is it really worth all the pain and grief it causes, no i think not!
I cannot believe what this country is turning into, everyday you hear about another stabbing or shooting it is disgraceful that these people go out with weapons looking for a fight. And the fact that there is no punishment for the thugs that murder is the reason that it is happening day in day out. And to all those out looking for fights at the weekends you all need to grow up and get a life, start getting the most out of life and live the life that unfortunatly your friend Ben can't. There is a big wide world out there and there is help for all of you but fighting is not the answer! What ever happened to a little scrap with fist, you guys who go 'tooled' up are weak and pathetic. Seriuosly sort your lives out, just stop and think, the next time you might be targeted and just imagine how your loving parents and families will feel having to bury their young child, is it really worth all the pain and grief it causes, no i think not!
Sounds like a lovely young boy.
This boy could quiet easily be the one who has committed murder of a member of the opposing gang.
How can his parents explain their obv lack of concern/care regarding their sons whereabouts at 11.30pm at night ?
Poor fallen soldier ?? yeah right...another stupid child dies unnecessarily
Sounds like a lovely young boy.
This boy could quiet easily be the one who has committed murder of a member of the opposing gang.
How can his parents explain their obv lack of concern/care regarding their sons whereabouts at 11.30pm at night ?
Poor fallen soldier ?? yeah right...another stupid child dies unnecessarily
Bombjack, they have very little intelligence, that's the problem. Educate them and give them parental love and discipline and maybe they can develop some intelligence. They are all still kids but the parents would rather they wander the streets than look after them. What chance do they have to get some education? No surprise it was a Kelsey Park kid either.
Bombjack, they have very little intelligence, that's the problem. Educate them and give them parental love and discipline and maybe they can develop some intelligence. They are all still kids but the parents would rather they wander the streets than look after them. What chance do they have to get some education? No surprise it was a Kelsey Park kid either.
Have Some Respect Would You .. A Kids Just Been Stabbed And Your All On Here Arguing And Making Pathetic Comments To Eachother About The Way They Speak .. And From Looking At These .. No Wonder Why So Many People Are Getting Killed .. The Adults On Here Are As Bad As The Rest .. Starting Pathetic Arguements And Making Comments That Nobody Wants To Here .. Let Ben Rest In Peace .. And Everyone Who Is Coming On Here Not Writing Anything Suffiecent Useful Or Just To Pay There Regards Then Grow Up My Thoughts Are With The Family And Friends
RIP BEN
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Have Some Respect Would You .. A Kids Just Been Stabbed And Your All On Here Arguing And Making Pathetic Comments To Eachother About The Way They Speak .. And From Looking At These .. No Wonder Why So Many People Are Getting Killed .. The Adults On Here Are As Bad As The Rest .. Starting Pathetic Arguements And Making Comments That Nobody Wants To Here .. Let Ben Rest In Peace .. And Everyone Who Is Coming On Here Not Writing Anything Suffiecent Useful Or Just To Pay There Regards Then Grow Up My Thoughts Are With The Family And Friends
RIP BEN
x
Rest in peace Ben !???
he doesnt want to do that, i'm sure he would much rather be alive dont you? it was obvious someone was going to be killed there, i bet he didnt think it would be him tho - no-one does. why have respect for someone who went out deliberately to hurt/maim/kill, i dont have respect for anyone like that.
Rest in peace Ben !???
he doesnt want to do that, i'm sure he would much rather be alive dont you? it was obvious someone was going to be killed there, i bet he didnt think it would be him tho - no-one does. why have respect for someone who went out deliberately to hurt/maim/kill, i dont have respect for anyone like that.
Posted by: Charlie-x, beckenham/penge on 2:25pm Mon 25 Jun 07
ARGH! why are peOple bein sO **** rude abOut it. theres nO need
hee was a lOvley bOy even thOugh i didnt knOw him aswell as his brOthers he baught my friend ice cream and all sOrts!, he was just One Of the nicest peOple. and sO what is he was part Of a gang, yOu cant say yOu wernt when yOu were yOung unless tO wer a ners =| sO just stOp **** and pay yOur respects =(
R.I.P Ben. yOu will be missed. sleep tight xxx
ARGH! why are peOple bein sO **** rude abOut it. theres nO need
hee was a lOvley bOy even thOugh i didnt knOw him aswell as his brOthers he baught my friend ice cream and all sOrts!, he was just One Of the nicest peOple. and sO what is he was part Of a gang, yOu cant say yOu wernt when yOu were yOung unless tO wer a ners =| sO just stOp **** and pay yOur respects =(
R.I.P Ben. yOu will be missed. sleep tight xxx
Lily, everyone sympathises with his family, no one should die so young. BUT, you can't escape the fact that Ben and his friends had weapons designed to harm at 11.30pm. Is it any wonder someone got hurt? Rather than avoiding such a big issue like you would rather do, this is exactly the time to reach out to the gangs when they can see the repercussions. I don't think Ben was killed because adults are despairing over the state of young adults and children today.
Lily, everyone sympathises with his family, no one should die so young. BUT, you can't escape the fact that Ben and his friends had weapons designed to harm at 11.30pm. Is it any wonder someone got hurt? Rather than avoiding such a big issue like you would rather do, this is exactly the time to reach out to the gangs when they can see the repercussions. I don't think Ben was killed because adults are despairing over the state of young adults and children today.
Posted by: Charlie-x, Croydon on 2:31pm Mon 25 Jun 07
Charlie-x - PLEASE, how was Ben a lovely boy when he was out at 11.30pm in a gang fight with pick-axe handles, metal scaffolding poles and other homemade weapons? How does that make him a nice boy? I had groups of mates when I was young when I played football in the park, yeah. I never wore a hoody so the police or residents couldn't recognise me and got into fights at 11.30pm. If you think that is nice, I'd hate to meet someone you think is horrible!!
Charlie-x - PLEASE, how was Ben a lovely boy when he was out at 11.30pm in a gang fight with pick-axe handles, metal scaffolding poles and other homemade weapons? How does that make him a nice boy? I had groups of mates when I was young when I played football in the park, yeah. I never wore a hoody so the police or residents couldn't recognise me and got into fights at 11.30pm. If you think that is nice, I'd hate to meet someone you think is horrible!!
Thats The Most Stupid Thing Ive Ever Heard .. Maybe He Would Rather Be Alive .. Dont You Think Everyone That Dies Or Gets Killed Would!! .. To Be Honest With You .. You Dont Even Know The Boy Or Whats Happened .. Just From Reading It On Here!! If There Such Kids And Stupid Children .. Stop Bloody Moaning About Them Obviously The Government Arent Going To Do Anything About So Why Dont You All Get Off Your Arses And Do Something To Get Kids Off The Street Yourself And Maybe Then Stuff Like This WOULDNT Happen
Once Again RIP BEN
x
Thats The Most Stupid Thing Ive Ever Heard .. Maybe He Would Rather Be Alive .. Dont You Think Everyone That Dies Or Gets Killed Would!! .. To Be Honest With You .. You Dont Even Know The Boy Or Whats Happened .. Just From Reading It On Here!! If There Such Kids And Stupid Children .. Stop Bloody Moaning About Them Obviously The Government Arent Going To Do Anything About So Why Dont You All Get Off Your Arses And Do Something To Get Kids Off The Street Yourself And Maybe Then Stuff Like This WOULDNT Happen
Once Again RIP BEN
x
Posted by: Charlie-x, beckenham/penge on 2:35pm Mon 25 Jun 07
lOok. i dOnt see yOur prOblem. yes he was in a gang fight. but it happens. i knOw what its like. and yOu OviOusly dOnt. i dOnt see why yOur stressing at me as i see hOe he used tO be he was a lOvley bOy sO dOnt tell me he wasnt. did yOu knOw him? thats what i thaught sO stOp runnin yOur mOuth and sayin hOw yOu dOnt wanna meet me cOz tO be hOnest yOur just rude and disrespectful :(
lOok. i dOnt see yOur prOblem. yes he was in a gang fight. but it happens. i knOw what its like. and yOu OviOusly dOnt. i dOnt see why yOur stressing at me as i see hOe he used tO be he was a lOvley bOy sO dOnt tell me he wasnt. did yOu knOw him? thats what i thaught sO stOp runnin yOur mOuth and sayin hOw yOu dOnt wanna meet me cOz tO be hOnest yOur just rude and disrespectful :(
[quote][bold]Charlie-x[/bold] wrote:
lOok. i dOnt see yOur prOblem. yes he was in a gang fight. but it happens. i knOw what its like. and yOu OviOusly dOnt. i dOnt see why yOur stressing at me as i see hOe he used tO be he was a lOvley bOy sO dOnt tell me he wasnt. did yOu knOw him? thats what i thaught sO stOp runnin yOur mOuth and sayin hOw yOu dOnt wanna meet me cOz tO be hOnest yOur just rude and disrespectful :([/quote] is it not fair to say this boy, who was so nice, could have easliy been the one committing a murder on sat nite ?
Charlie-x wrote:
lOok. i dOnt see yOur prOblem. yes he was in a gang fight. but it happens. i knOw what its like. and yOu OviOusly dOnt. i dOnt see why yOur stressing at me as i see hOe he used tO be he was a lOvley bOy sO dOnt tell me he wasnt. did yOu knOw him? thats what i thaught sO stOp runnin yOur mOuth and sayin hOw yOu dOnt wanna meet me cOz tO be hOnest yOur just rude and disrespectful :(
is it not fair to say this boy, who was so nice, could have easliy been the one committing a murder on sat nite ?
Posted by: shannen...x, forest hill on 2:38pm Mon 25 Jun 07
i really dnt understand why every one is stressin out , every one should be writin nice remembering loving things not a battle between how yung kid speak or write the fact is that a young boy got killed by ova young boys in a gang fight and yes it is a big deal but people are gettin through it but only just every one needs to stop hatin .....ben i didnt even no u just through talk of my mates R.I.P.............<3
i really dnt understand why every one is stressin out , every one should be writin nice remembering loving things not a battle between how yung kid speak or write the fact is that a young boy got killed by ova young boys in a gang fight and yes it is a big deal but people are gettin through it but only just every one needs to stop hatin .....ben i didnt even no u just through talk of my mates R.I.P.............<3
Posted by: Wallet, Bromley on 2:39pm Mon 25 Jun 07
Lily - Respect is something that is earned. Unfortunately we, (and I use "we" to express the thoughts of most of the adults in this country)are sick to death of reading yet another story of yet another weak child being killed. Adults HAVE to express opinions, and undoubtedly they will be opinions not shared by anyone involved in gang culture. It will be adults that stop this behaviour, either by a change in the law or by imposing curfews on their children or by educating kids that there is no future in dying young. We do care and that is precisely why were are posting comments on here. If I had to bury one of my kids because of some senseless behaviour I don't think I'd be able to live with myself.
Lily - Respect is something that is earned. Unfortunately we, (and I use "we" to express the thoughts of most of the adults in this country)are sick to death of reading yet another story of yet another weak child being killed. Adults HAVE to express opinions, and undoubtedly they will be opinions not shared by anyone involved in gang culture. It will be adults that stop this behaviour, either by a change in the law or by imposing curfews on their children or by educating kids that there is no future in dying young. We do care and that is precisely why were are posting comments on here. If I had to bury one of my kids because of some senseless behaviour I don't think I'd be able to live with myself.
Gang fights don't just happen if you have parents who love you, if you're law abiding and if you're not in a gang. You could be unlucky and be murdered by a gang, but that is different. Ben went out to seriously hurt or kill someone, but he ended up dead himself. Such a lovely chap.
Gang fights don't just happen if you have parents who love you, if you're law abiding and if you're not in a gang. You could be unlucky and be murdered by a gang, but that is different. Ben went out to seriously hurt or kill someone, but he ended up dead himself. Such a lovely chap.
Charlie-x. I respect you for coming on here, you must miss Ben and be upset. I also respect you for putting together an argument and engaging, but I fail to see how you can justify gang culture?
Charlie-x. I respect you for coming on here, you must miss Ben and be upset. I also respect you for putting together an argument and engaging, but I fail to see how you can justify gang culture?
Posted by: shannen...x, forest hill on 2:43pm Mon 25 Jun 07
what would you do if u was in that situation of a load of boys ready to fight u .... would you not fight back... thats what i thought.............
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what would you do if u was in that situation of a load of boys ready to fight u .... would you not fight back... thats what i thought.............
Don't doubt that I have sympathy for the lad who was killed, his friends and family. But if you choose this life these are the consequences. It is the misplaced need for 'respect' amongst their peers that leads to all this needless violence and another young life wasted. Real respect has nothing to do with this. My family brought me up to respect others, work hard and love your family and friends - this is what is missing. I don't want to demonise kids who live these lives, and to be honest they are a product of our times, but what's in store for them and everyone else who has to live with the consequences.
Don't doubt that I have sympathy for the lad who was killed, his friends and family. But if you choose this life these are the consequences. It is the misplaced need for 'respect' amongst their peers that leads to all this needless violence and another young life wasted. Real respect has nothing to do with this. My family brought me up to respect others, work hard and love your family and friends - this is what is missing. I don't want to demonise kids who live these lives, and to be honest they are a product of our times, but what's in store for them and everyone else who has to live with the consequences.
Posted by: unknown, beckenham on 2:44pm Mon 25 Jun 07
[bold]everybody shud just leave the boy alone cuz although he might not be a saint he does not deserve all this people cumin on the site and chating s**t so just leave him and may his soul rest in peace bless[/bold]
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everybody shud just leave the boy alone cuz although he might not be a saint he does not deserve all this people cumin on the site and chating s**t so just leave him and may his soul rest in peace bless
Posted by: Charlie-x, beckenham/penge on 2:45pm Mon 25 Jun 07
ARGH!
what is yOur prOblem serOusly. yOu didnt knOe him and its OviOus. if sOmeOne cOmes up tO yOu abOut tO start a fight. yOur OviOusly gOin tO fight back. yOu wOuldnt just stand there. he was fighting yeh. but it happens. yOu cant say yOu have never seen a fight befOre cOz they happen all the time. yes i knOw gang wars and that is bad, but its happened fOr years and is OviOusly still happening.
R.I.P Ben <3 xx
ARGH!
what is yOur prOblem serOusly. yOu didnt knOe him and its OviOus. if sOmeOne cOmes up tO yOu abOut tO start a fight. yOur OviOusly gOin tO fight back. yOu wOuldnt just stand there. he was fighting yeh. but it happens. yOu cant say yOu have never seen a fight befOre cOz they happen all the time. yes i knOw gang wars and that is bad, but its happened fOr years and is OviOusly still happening.
R.I.P Ben <3 xx
Posted by: shannen...x, forest hill on 2:47pm Mon 25 Jun 07
al, leave charlie alone yeah i bin chatin to her nd yeh she is upset who wouldnt be buh it takes two people to have an argument
let me define gang: a gang is a group of friends that hang around together ok..... a culture is ur background ur environment fool go look it up..............
al, leave charlie alone yeah i bin chatin to her nd yeh she is upset who wouldnt be buh it takes two people to have an argument
let me define gang: a gang is a group of friends that hang around together ok..... a culture is ur background ur environment fool go look it up..............
Posted by: CONCERNED TEEN, blue bitz on 2:47pm Mon 25 Jun 07
all those adults who hipocriticly coment about the boy they didnt kno even tho they kno that in their childhood ther were some things they did wrong although it did not turn out as bad as this this is not the time for political or snoby comments its the time to greive and learn from a very young boys death, so you can keep your unsypathetic comment to yourselves.rip ben xxx
all those adults who hipocriticly coment about the boy they didnt kno even tho they kno that in their childhood ther were some things they did wrong although it did not turn out as bad as this this is not the time for political or snoby comments its the time to greive and learn from a very young boys death, so you can keep your unsypathetic comment to yourselves.rip ben xxx
[quote][bold]Mick[/bold] wrote:
Gang fights don't just happen if you have parents who love you, if you're law abiding and if you're not in a gang. You could be unlucky and be murdered by a gang, but that is different. Ben went out to seriously hurt or kill someone, but he ended up dead himself. Such a lovely chap.[/quote] yep, if you look for trouble then you will find it. he did. hope the "yoofs" can understand why it happend and why it will happen again. because they cannot understand why it is wrong and stupid to go out acting like this..so who's next ?? !!!pathetic kids make me sick.
Mick wrote:
Gang fights don't just happen if you have parents who love you, if you're law abiding and if you're not in a gang. You could be unlucky and be murdered by a gang, but that is different. Ben went out to seriously hurt or kill someone, but he ended up dead himself. Such a lovely chap.
yep, if you look for trouble then you will find it. he did. hope the "yoofs" can understand why it happend and why it will happen again. because they cannot understand why it is wrong and stupid to go out acting like this..so who's next ?? !!!pathetic kids make me sick.
I'm Not being funny but i'm a 15 year old girl and would be absolutely devastated if one of my brothers or someone close to me died the way Ben did .. at the end of the day .. all say whatever you want about him and how he went looking for it .. lets not beat around the bush .. people out there loved him .. and still do love him ..so why dont you all just think for a second about peoples feelings this is hurting when there reading through these so instead of voicing your opinions on here where people are paying respect and helping with information .. discuss it with people who actually feel the same wasy as you and somewhere were an arguement isn't gonna brew .. so before you click post comment think about how many other people your actually affecting by writing what you're writing
RIP BEN
I'm Not being funny but i'm a 15 year old girl and would be absolutely devastated if one of my brothers or someone close to me died the way Ben did .. at the end of the day .. all say whatever you want about him and how he went looking for it .. lets not beat around the bush .. people out there loved him .. and still do love him ..so why dont you all just think for a second about peoples feelings this is hurting when there reading through these so instead of voicing your opinions on here where people are paying respect and helping with information .. discuss it with people who actually feel the same wasy as you and somewhere were an arguement isn't gonna brew .. so before you click post comment think about how many other people your actually affecting by writing what you're writing
RIP BEN
Posted by: shannen...x, forest hill on 2:51pm Mon 25 Jun 07
i really dont think adults understand what its like for us yeh u say that u have bin there and u have done that buh on a real every childhood is different people need to respect that ben aint gonna finish his childhood.....
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