Beauty queen Emma Martin hoping for Miss England success (From News Shopper)

This is more like it, a suburban Kentish girl rather than a plastic Londoner.

Good luck Emma, I will be voting for you.

I find these shows and the people that partake pretentious.

the wall wrote:
I find these shows and the people that partake pretentious.

I'll bet any money you like this guy's WELLLLLL ugly! Good on you girl. Beauty should be appreciated. Let the ugo's hate.. =D

MFC Lion wrote:

the wall wrote: I find these shows and the people that partake pretentious.

I'll bet any money you like this guy's WELLLLLL ugly! Good on you girl. Beauty should be appreciated. Let the ugo's hate.. =D

What because my opinion differs. Get over yourself.

the wall wrote:

MFC Lion wrote:

the wall wrote: I find these shows and the people that partake pretentious.

I'll bet any money you like this guy's WELLLLLL ugly! Good on you girl. Beauty should be appreciated. Let the ugo's hate.. =D

What because my opinion differs. Get over yourself.

I totally agree with you about these competitions. I think that anyone who puts themself forward for such a thing must be totally 'up themself'. However, I do find your comment a little hypotcritcal as on several occasions I've expressed a different opinion to you, and you've come back with insults!

PaulErith wrote:

the wall wrote:

MFC Lion wrote:

the wall wrote: I find these shows and the people that partake pretentious.

I'll bet any money you like this guy's WELLLLLL ugly! Good on you girl. Beauty should be appreciated. Let the ugo's hate.. =D

What because my opinion differs. Get over yourself.

I totally agree with you about these competitions. I think that anyone who puts themself forward for such a thing must be totally 'up themself'. However, I do find your comment a little hypotcritcal as on several occasions I've expressed a different opinion to you, and you've come back with insults!

Yeah alright Paula.

Now now girls if there's going to be a b1tch fest can the Ronster join in pretty please.

Ahh musical theatre was always my dream as a young lad. Dream on Ron, alas it wasn't to be.

Ron

the wall wrote:

MFC Lion wrote:

the wall wrote: I find these shows and the people that partake pretentious.

I'll bet any money you like this guy's WELLLLLL ugly! Good on you girl. Beauty should be appreciated. Let the ugo's hate.. =D

What because my opinion differs. Get over yourself.

No, it's more that I believe only some really bitter person could hate a bunch of pretty people walking around feeling good about themselves. You never told a girl she's beautiful? Or am I making a big presumption? They're not hurting anyone. I bet you were the ugly kid bullied at school. There's a lot worse going on in this world matey, my suggestion would be, get over YOURself.

MFC Lion wrote:

the wall wrote:

MFC Lion wrote:

the wall wrote: I find these shows and the people that partake pretentious.

I'll bet any money you like this guy's WELLLLLL ugly! Good on you girl. Beauty should be appreciated. Let the ugo's hate.. =D

What because my opinion differs. Get over yourself.

No, it's more that I believe only some really bitter person could hate a bunch of pretty people walking around feeling good about themselves. You never told a girl she's beautiful? Or am I making a big presumption? They're not hurting anyone. I bet you were the ugly kid bullied at school. There's a lot worse going on in this world matey, my suggestion would be, get over YOURself.

big presumption - Bang on !

Well then, have you never told a man he's handsome? Let the pretty people have their fun! We have use for ugo's too.. I hear London Dungeon is hiring.. =D

MFC Lion wrote:
Well then, have you never told a man he's handsome? Let the pretty people have their fun! We have use for ugo's too.. I hear London Dungeon is hiring.. =D

Depends how much the man is paying......It would have to be a lot and no touching.

London Dungeon: I would scare the customers away. :-)

There's just something about the seedy world of this type of thing. It does women no favours and reinforces the idea that girls and women should be valued primarily for their physical appearance and put on a pedestal to look at.

An object not a person.

the wall wrote:

MFC Lion wrote: Well then, have you never told a man he's handsome? Let the pretty people have their fun! We have use for ugo's too.. I hear London Dungeon is hiring.. =D

Depends how much the man is paying......It would have to be a lot and no touching. London Dungeon: I would scare the customers away. :-) There's just something about the seedy world of this type of thing. It does women no favours and reinforces the idea that girls and women should be valued primarily for their physical appearance and put on a pedestal to look at. An object not a person.

Absolutely incorrect. It doesn't reinforce any kind of degradation towards women. It is merely a competition of beauty, brains and talent combined. In the world's strongest man tournaments the strongest is rewarded, in Wimbledon the best tennis player is rewarded, in beauty pageants the most attractive, interesting and talented are rewarded. If you don't like them, don't take part. Just don’t be bitter towards those who decide to compete. Green can be a very unflattering colour.

I'm not bitter. I don't judge women on if they are good looking or not (they have to cook well to)joke). However some people are not as smart as some and will judge on looks.

Things like this and the media portray what a beautiful woman should look like, have caused low self esteem in girls and woman this has been proved by many doctors. It has encourage some women to diet and/or have eating disorders to the point of harming themselves.

I'm sure there are many that are not effected and are very dedicated to what they do. At least they are doing something.

Let's agree to disagree. You but forward a well formed debate.

Get over yourselves you lot. She's a gorgeous looking girl, good luck to her.

MFC Lion wrote:

the wall wrote:

MFC Lion wrote: Well then, have you never told a man he's handsome? Let the pretty people have their fun! We have use for ugo's too.. I hear London Dungeon is hiring.. =D

Depends how much the man is paying......It would have to be a lot and no touching. London Dungeon: I would scare the customers away. :-) There's just something about the seedy world of this type of thing. It does women no favours and reinforces the idea that girls and women should be valued primarily for their physical appearance and put on a pedestal to look at. An object not a person.

Absolutely incorrect. It doesn't reinforce any kind of degradation towards women. It is merely a competition of beauty, brains and talent combined. In the world's strongest man tournaments the strongest is rewarded, in Wimbledon the best tennis player is rewarded, in beauty pageants the most attractive, interesting and talented are rewarded. If you don't like them, don't take part. Just don’t be bitter towards those who decide to compete. Green can be a very unflattering colour.

I don't really think it's got anything to do with 'brains and talent'. I know a girl in a pub I drink in that enters beauty competitions. I'm sorry to say she's certainly not brainy! In fact, she's one of the most boring people I know. She's totally 'up herself', and can only hold a conversation if it's about her or make-up. i.e. totally fits the stereotype. I'm not saying they're all like that, but a stereotype is a stereotype for a good reason!

And I do agree with other comments that say that this kind of thing contributes to other girls or women having low self esteem. They're constantly shown images of how they 'should look'.

But at the end of the day, that's just my opinion, and everyone's free to enter these competitions if they want to.

the wall wrote:

MFC Lion wrote:
Well then, have you never told a man he's handsome? Let the pretty people have their fun! We have use for ugo's too.. I hear London Dungeon is hiring.. =D

Depends how much the man is paying......It would have to be a lot and no touching.

London Dungeon: I would scare the customers away. :-)

There's just something about the seedy world of this type of thing. It does women no favours and reinforces the idea that girls and women should be valued primarily for their physical appearance and put on a pedestal to look at.

An object not a person.

I bet you don't feel so passionately about "Britains Strongest Man" competitions?
isn't that the same thing?

PaulErith wrote:

MFC Lion wrote:

the wall wrote:

MFC Lion wrote: Well then, have you never told a man he's handsome? Let the pretty people have their fun! We have use for ugo's too.. I hear London Dungeon is hiring.. =D

Depends how much the man is paying......It would have to be a lot and no touching. London Dungeon: I would scare the customers away. :-) There's just something about the seedy world of this type of thing. It does women no favours and reinforces the idea that girls and women should be valued primarily for their physical appearance and put on a pedestal to look at. An object not a person.

Absolutely incorrect. It doesn't reinforce any kind of degradation towards women. It is merely a competition of beauty, brains and talent combined. In the world's strongest man tournaments the strongest is rewarded, in Wimbledon the best tennis player is rewarded, in beauty pageants the most attractive, interesting and talented are rewarded. If you don't like them, don't take part. Just don’t be bitter towards those who decide to compete. Green can be a very unflattering colour.

I don't really think it's got anything to do with 'brains and talent'. I know a girl in a pub I drink in that enters beauty competitions. I'm sorry to say she's certainly not brainy! In fact, she's one of the most boring people I know. She's totally 'up herself', and can only hold a conversation if it's about her or make-up. i.e. totally fits the stereotype. I'm not saying they're all like that, but a stereotype is a stereotype for a good reason! And I do agree with other comments that say that this kind of thing contributes to other girls or women having low self esteem. They're constantly shown images of how they 'should look'. But at the end of the day, that's just my opinion, and everyone's free to enter these competitions if they want to.

Disagree, it is open to your own interpretation. I believe if you are a balanced, well rounded person, you do not develop an eating disorder because you've seen a picture of Kate Moss in the Sun. You already have self esteem issues and pin them on celebrities and pictures in magazine and use them as the focal point of your "problem". There's always been sad people, depressed because they don't like the way they look, long before OK magazine came out. Do these people get upset when they see an attractive girl in Tesco's?

nice to see one of our own girls for a change

She's 18 years old and able to make her own choices, she's neither orange or has false bits. For me that gets a big tick these days.

The day NS start reporting on local toddlers and tiara's competitions - well then I'll have something to say (and it may not be pleasant)!!

I'm sorry I won't be voting but that doesn't mean I don't wish Emma success. Best of luck.