ST PAUL'S CRAY: Teenagers killed in stolen car crash (From News Shopper)
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ST PAUL'S CRAY: Teenagers killed in stolen car crash
2:50pm Monday 26th January 2009 in Bromley By Robert Fisk
TEENAGERS who were killed after a two car-smash in St Paul’s Cray were travelling in a stolen vehicle, police said today.
Jay Sonny-Barry was driving the stolen green Honda Civic when it collided with another car.
The 18-year-old, from St Paul’s Cray, was taken to Royal London Hospital, Whitechapel, where he died early yesterday morning.
Backseat passenger Larry Hall suffered a cardiac arrest in the accident which happened in St Paul's Cray Road at around 12.15am yesterday (January 25).
Ambulance crews could not resuscitate him and he was pronounced dead at Queen Mary’s Hospital, Sidcup, an hour later.
Front seat passenger Grant Holland was also taken to the Royal London Hospital where he remains in a critical condition.
Police say the car was stolen from nearby Leesons Way at around 11pm on Saturday evening.
Passers-by pulled the three teenagers out of the burning Honda after the accident and also rescued the 61-year-old driver of the other car.
He was taken to Queen Mary's Hospital, Sidcup, suffering from a broken hip and elbow and cuts.
Floral tributes have been left by a tree near to where the crash happened.
Part of a message by someone called Rebecca says: “My baby . . . .Words cannot describe how I feel.
"I loved you more than anything.
"You were my world, you still are . . . I love you more than words can say.
"Lots of love little one, your Rebecca. xx Sweet dreams xx Baby xx.”
Another message reads: “Can’t believe you’re gone. My fellow Pimp. R.I.P. Jay xx Brendan x.”
Friends of the teenagers have also been paying their respects online.
On the News Shopper website Jodie00, from Orpington, said: “RIP Larry and Jay. both great boys who r gonna be missed by everyone.
"Grant please pull through and get home soon. Love to you all ****.”
And JordanGlen, also from Orpington, said: “RIP Jay and Larry.
"Jay you were the one that stuck up for me in school.
"You were the one I look at and said you’re kinda cool.
"You were the one that made people smile.
"Mr Hay Barry we shall see you in a while.
"Jay Barry and Larry Hall, loved by many, missed by everyone on behalf of everyone that knows you.”
Fire crews from across the area attended the incident and several roads including part of Leesons Hill and Royal Parade were closed while emergency services were at the scene.
Police want to speak to anyone who witnessed the accident or has information about what happened.
Anyone who can help should call the south east collision investigation unit on 020 8284 5925.
- Did you see what happened or do you know the victims? Did you help get the people out of the burning car? Call the newsroom on 01689 885725.
Comments(335)
puss in boots
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11:01am Mon 26 Jan 09
oh well they not the 1st and they wont be the last.
Samz-x
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11:23am Mon 26 Jan 09
good1
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11:41am Mon 26 Jan 09
It's Me again !
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12:04pm Mon 26 Jan 09
These boys didnt know it was going to end like this but The stupid thing they did cost them their lifes, I hope this will stop other young lads who knew this boys from doing the same thing.
My thought are with the families and friends of Jay and Larry, they were not bad lads but just made a very stupid mistake.
RIP lads xx
JamieNeville
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1:14pm Mon 26 Jan 09
Megan Gange
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1:41pm Mon 26 Jan 09
Who would of thought it ayee!
Such a nice boy!
Silly mistake babee!
But you wont be forgotten!
Just keep on in there babe!
My thoughts are with your family.
Lovee you loads babe.
Rest In Peace!
Megan xx
chloe browne
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1:44pm Mon 26 Jan 09
EVERYONE MISSES YOU SO MUCH, NO ONE CAN BEILIVE YOU DONE IT BECAUSE IT WERENT YOU! BUT IM SURE U HAD A REASON.NO ONE CAN GET OTHER THE FACT THAT ANYONES EVER GONNER SEE YOU AGAIN. WHERE ALL JUST WAITING FOR YOU TO APPEAR SOME WHERE AND TRY AND WIND PEOPLE UP AND MAKE THEM LAUGH AT THE SAME TIME. YOU TRULY ARE GONNER BE MISSED AND NEVER FORGOTTEN.IL LOOK AFTER YOUR MUM AND DAD AND ASHH FOR YOU.SEE YOU SOON BABES! I LOVE YOU AND ALWAYS WILL NEVER WILL YOU BE FORGOTTEN.! XXXXXX
Leannee
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2:00pm Mon 26 Jan 09
Youu Will Be Missed Byee So Meny
xx (F)
Slonik
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2:04pm Mon 26 Jan 09
I'm sure that, if they could, those involved in this tragedy would waste no time telling their friends and peers NOT to copy their example. Driving around in stolen cars is not big, it's not right and all too often has tragic consequences not only for those directly involved but for totally innocent people. They have families and loved ones too!
I hope this tragedy will impress upon some of those who might get involved in car theft, the very grave danger they're placing themselves (and others) in and make them think again. Life's too precious to be thrown away like this!!
girls1
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2:57pm Mon 26 Jan 09
t Emma.Paton && Elisha.Harleyy xxx r.i.p Larry And Jay,xxxxx
xxkatiexx18
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3:07pm Mon 26 Jan 09
puss in boots wrote:if you have nuffin gd to say dnt say any thing idiot
so, 2 people died, 2 people injured and one poor sod is now without a car, all through stupidity. oh well they not the 1st and they wont be the last.
xxkatiexx18
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3:12pm Mon 26 Jan 09
max never the min
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3:34pm Mon 26 Jan 09
carparkattendant
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3:46pm Mon 26 Jan 09
xxkatiexx18 wrote:A car is stolen at around 11pm from a side road which is a crescent leading nowhere. Therefore whoever stole it went out of their way to look for a car to steal. Over an hour later and less than a mile away it is in collision with another vehicle. Where was it, and what was it used for during that period? Used to go somewhere, parked outside someone’s house maybe, someone knows something and is therefore an accessory to this crime! Two young people have been killed, a third is in a critical condition in hospital. There are great expressions of grief for the perpetrators of the crime that has brought about their own deaths with no mention of sympathy for the innocent and seriously injured driver of the other vehicle. Would the same friends of these criminals be expressing grief and sympathy if they had escaped unharmed, but have killed an innocent family in the other vehicle? I doubt it!
puss in boots wrote: so, 2 people died, 2 people injured and one poor sod is now without a car, all through stupidity. oh well they not the 1st and they wont be the last.if you have nuffin gd to say dnt say any thing idiot
mr2wheels100
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3:47pm Mon 26 Jan 09
k4t13
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3:47pm Mon 26 Jan 09
ashley12
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4:02pm Mon 26 Jan 09
CANT BELIEVE ITS HAPPEN
YOUR A JOKA BOY GONNA MISS YOU ....
LUV YA .... R.I.P JAY XXX
Tinker Bell
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4:23pm Mon 26 Jan 09
We all know that stealing a car, for whatever reason is wrong, but I am sure these boys had no realisation of the havoc and devastation that this stupid silly action would cause.
I really hope others will learn, but somehow I don’t think they will and I am sure we will be reading more stories like this in the future.
Fran. Wade
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5:03pm Mon 26 Jan 09
Not seeing jays silly faces he pulls or his mad moments!
Its not fair, That things like this happene to good people!
They made a stupid mistake, But didnt deserve their lifes to be taken for the conseqences!
So do not judge them everyone makes misatkes!
You are gunaa be missed soo much! But never forgotten!
We were luckily enough to have had you in our lifes, Even if it wernt long enough!
And you have left us wif soo many memories!
Watch down on everyone, Will see you sooon!
Sleep tight boys. Love you!
****
lee27
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5:39pm Mon 26 Jan 09
Comment1
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5:54pm Mon 26 Jan 09
max never the min
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6:02pm Mon 26 Jan 09
This was just a mistake??
Stealing someones car is not a mistake believe me, driving a stolen car and being alowed to be carried in a stolen car is not a mistake. This I guarantee was not the 1st time they stole a car, I am sick and tired of seeing scumbags treating other peoples property(incl cars)with no respect. Crashing into innocent people and running away leaving people dead or trapped. Sorry folks but it's their own fault but look on the bright side....motor vehicle crime will go down in the area.!!!!!
daisylou
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6:03pm Mon 26 Jan 09
It makes me sick to my stomach and I suggest that people think of the effect reading these comments is going to have on the family members of the young boys involved before they post anything.
mikestar
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6:10pm Mon 26 Jan 09
max never the min
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6:26pm Mon 26 Jan 09
mikestar....fool that you are, as stated by myself and others, there is a pensioner seriously injured and may take years to recouperate. If these so called angels had survived they would have runaway and left him to die, you know that and the rest of the world does.....me heartless, I don't think so.
daisylou
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6:33pm Mon 26 Jan 09
Carparkattendant
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6:37pm Mon 26 Jan 09
max never the min wrote:I agree. They didn't steal this car by mistake, they did it on purpose and have probably done it before. How many stolen cars are dumped and set alight not far from there at the top of Star Lane. Car stealing in the area is rife!
daisylou......don't log on and read these comments then!! mikestar....fool that you are, as stated by myself and others, there is a pensioner seriously injured and may take years to recouperate. If these so called angels had survived they would have runaway and left him to die, you know that and the rest of the world does.....me heartless, I don't think so.
angel1
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6:43pm Mon 26 Jan 09
daisylou
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6:44pm Mon 26 Jan 09
Carparkattendant wrote:It would be a completely different thing if this was YOUR family or if the car wasn't stolen. No, they didn't steal the car by mistake, we are all quite aware of that, but do you really think they intended to do what they did? No.
max never the min wrote:I agree. They didn't steal this car by mistake, they did it on purpose and have probably done it before. How many stolen cars are dumped and set alight not far from there at the top of Star Lane. Car stealing in the area is rife!
daisylou......don't log on and read these comments then!! mikestar....fool that you are, as stated by myself and others, there is a pensioner seriously injured and may take years to recouperate. If these so called angels had survived they would have runaway and left him to die, you know that and the rest of the world does.....me heartless, I don't think so.
Carparkattendant
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6:48pm Mon 26 Jan 09
angel1 wrote:We don't care about the cars either, but what we do care about is people knowingly and selfishly putting innocent lives at risk through thier stupidity!
I think these people with there little comments about property have no heart .....PROPERTY CAN BE REPLACED LIVES CAN NOT ....so put yourself in these familys situations regardless of what is wrong or right 2 lives can not be replaced but a po*y car can be !!
Samz-x
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6:51pm Mon 26 Jan 09
Yes a 61 year old man is in hospital and I hope he makes a speedy recovery.
And yes a car was stolen and damaged but it can be replaced unlike Jay & Larry, they will never be replaced. So before you sit there on your high horses picking out the faults in everyone else, think of how jay & larrys family feel, think how perfect your family are because i can bet you they aint that perfect, everyone does wrong but some with more serious consequnces, they did not deserve to die.
Seeing as you did not have the privallage to no them you have no right to say that they would run away and leave the man if they had survived.
Rip Jay Barry ****
Rip Larry Hall ****
max never the min
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6:55pm Mon 26 Jan 09
Monkey Harris
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6:56pm Mon 26 Jan 09
Marty1979
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6:59pm Mon 26 Jan 09
There is an innocent man in hospital thanks to their actions. When he comes out he is faced with having to pay to replace his car.
They had no realisation of what would happen? Probably not, but in addition to the theft of the car I wonder what speed they were doing to cause that much damage
daisylou
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7:04pm Mon 26 Jan 09
max never the min wrote:I have just as much right as you do to log on and read the comments. It involves MY family member, and i have the right to say what i want on here without you telling me what i can and can't do. Unfortunately you are one of the low lives who like to sit behind a computer and talk a load of crap about something you don't really know about, without thinking what you are saying first. You didn't know the boys involved. I'd love to see you try and have your say in the matter to one of the parents to the boys. See how they feel about your input.
daisylou....as stated, if you don't like the comments then don't log on.
very sad
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7:08pm Mon 26 Jan 09
R.I.P Larry
R.I.P Jay
....x
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7:12pm Mon 26 Jan 09
max never the min wrote:no one was intending to or deliberately crash into a 61 year old, it was just wrong place wrong time, no one was left for dead, the passers by didnt have to to put their own health and safety at risk but they did! stop being so hard hearted, friends and family are grieving for their loss, if you have nothing positive to say then dont bother commenting no one needs your input, no ones stating that they are innocent but you cant turn back time! if they could im sure they would but they dont have the chance due to a genuine mistake, all boys are bound to commit a car crime at one stage in their life, boys will be boys, im sure you wasnt perfect growing up. I didnt know Jay & Larry but they sound like such lovely boys, let their friends and family grieve they dont want to be reading stupid mindless peoples comments, put yourself in their positions to see how it feels losing someone close to you. Oh and max your from the dartford area arent you? well dont worry about our area and property its not you that has to live round here! stupid idiot grow up and act your age, Im sorry for your loss
South East London...and others. This was just a mistake?? Stealing someones car is not a mistake believe me, driving a stolen car and being alowed to be carried in a stolen car is not a mistake. This I guarantee was not the 1st time they stole a car, I am sick and tired of seeing scumbags treating other peoples property(incl cars)with no respect. Crashing into innocent people and running away leaving people dead or trapped. Sorry folks but it's their own fault but look on the bright side....motor vehicle crime will go down in the area.!!!!!
Rest in peace Jay & Larry
xx
Leannee
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7:14pm Mon 26 Jan 09
max never the min wrote:Max , i cant belive tht someone could be as heartless as you dont you dare tell daisylou not to log on here and read these comments she has just lost a family member! i no our comments might not help but they might offer some sympathy and comfort to jay & larrys family , so how about instead of you logging on here and upseting a lot of jays friends and family that cared about him and are going threw a really umbearable time at the moment you just dont comment at all , keep your harsh thorghts to yourself
daisylou......don't log on and read these comments then!! mikestar....fool that you are, as stated by myself and others, there is a pensioner seriously injured and may take years to recouperate. If these so called angels had survived they would have runaway and left him to die, you know that and the rest of the world does.....me heartless, I don't think so.
Rip Jay & larry X
Topaz.V.
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7:18pm Mon 26 Jan 09
Larry had unfortunately already passed but there was a team of people trying to bring him back.
That night will be with me forever, my heart goes out to the family's im so sorry for your loss.
I hope the man gets better soon,im pleased to hear he's pulling through .I cant imagine how everyone involved is feeling, just wish i could have done more x
Wayne1995
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7:21pm Mon 26 Jan 09
they just made a mistake but they didnt deserv 2 die
they were gr8 lads im gonna miss them
JordanGlen
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7:22pm Mon 26 Jan 09
mr2wheels100 wrote:After reading all the messages from jay and Larry's friends, not ONE has mentioned the innocent man with his now broken hip, or the actual car owner . . . They must be so proud of their two dead friends.
After reading all the messages from jay and Larry's friends, not ONE has mentioned the innocent man with his now broken hip, or the actual car owner . . . They must be so proud of their two dead friends.
How Can you Say This .... A Car Can Be Replaced Yeah They Did Rong But The Didnt Deserve To Die No One Does But Maybe When Its Your Friend Or Family We Might Same SomeThing Along The Same Lines As You Have.
NO MORE BAD COMMENTS PLEASE BY ANYONE ..!! RIP BOYS WE MISS YOU LOADS AND COMMON GRANT X
Chelsiee
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7:27pm Mon 26 Jan 09
It was a shock to everyone & this will never fade away, look at the amount of people paying their respects for you boys you were loved.Even if there are a few that didnt no the kind people you were and just judging you.
STAY SMILING BOYS
Gooodbye x
xjodiex
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7:36pm Mon 26 Jan 09
Carparkattendant
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7:37pm Mon 26 Jan 09
Monkey Harris wrote:Good point about seeing car stealing as acceptable behaviour. The occupants of the car were not the only guilty parties that night. The three boys involved had not been out on their own to the pictures and got a bus to Leesons Way at 11pm. They must have been out with others that night, where? But Leesons Way is a rather remote place to steal a car from, how did they get there? The car was missing for over an hour between the times it was stolen and the time of the collision about 1 mile away. Why was it stolen, where had it been? Had it been used to visit somewhere else? Where? A nightclub maybe. Or had it been used to take someone else home maybe being parked for a time while they called in? They were possibly not the only people that had travelled in that car that night and probably were not the only ones to know they had it and it was stolen. They are probably not the only guilty parties in this matter. Others were with them that night and knew what was going on. They are just as guilty as them!
Very sad for all concerned but had the car not been stolen those involved would not be injured or dead. The innocent parties have to pick up the pieces and those left behind have to rebuild their lives. There will be those who attended the scene whose lives will be forever affected and you have to ask why these boys thought stealing a car was acceptable and their friends who see that behaviour as normal. This, as some have commented was not a mistake, incorrect spelling is a mistake, stealing a car is theft.
....x
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7:50pm Mon 26 Jan 09
Carparkattendant wrote:carparkattendant,
Monkey Harris wrote: Very sad for all concerned but had the car not been stolen those involved would not be injured or dead. The innocent parties have to pick up the pieces and those left behind have to rebuild their lives. There will be those who attended the scene whose lives will be forever affected and you have to ask why these boys thought stealing a car was acceptable and their friends who see that behaviour as normal. This, as some have commented was not a mistake, incorrect spelling is a mistake, stealing a car is theft.Good point about seeing car stealing as acceptable behaviour. The occupants of the car were not the only guilty parties that night. The three boys involved had not been out on their own to the pictures and got a bus to Leesons Way at 11pm. They must have been out with others that night, where? But Leesons Way is a rather remote place to steal a car from, how did they get there? The car was missing for over an hour between the times it was stolen and the time of the collision about 1 mile away. Why was it stolen, where had it been? Had it been used to visit somewhere else? Where? A nightclub maybe. Or had it been used to take someone else home maybe being parked for a time while they called in? They were possibly not the only people that had travelled in that car that night and probably were not the only ones to know they had it and it was stolen. They are probably not the only guilty parties in this matter. Others were with them that night and knew what was going on. They are just as guilty as them!
im not being funny, but who do you think you are! You dont need to do a polices job for them asking all questions which 1. you wont get answers to and 2. its nothing to do with you, its happened now no one can change that, it dont matter how much questions you want to ask or what you think about poor behaviour, but no one deserves to die!! but their lifes have been shortened isnt that enough? what else do you want from these poor boys! use people make me feel sick, who needs people like use in this world, use heartless evil people, if these were to be one of ur sons use would be supporting them until ur blue in the face. but thats not the point, let them rest in peace!
It's Me again !
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7:52pm Mon 26 Jan 09
Wayne1995 wrote:You silly little boy !
so some old git has lost his car and it was probly his fault - you see the coffin dogers on the road when they should be banned and does that make up 4 two lifes? hes alive and he he can always get another but there familys cannot replace them they just made a mistake but they didnt deserv 2 die they were gr8 lads im gonna miss them
It's comments like yours that make other people think bad of Jay and Larry, Yes you are upset but grow up!
R1ot
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7:52pm Mon 26 Jan 09
I hope the friends of these lads will show some respect to their memory by not repeating their mistakes.
JordanGlen
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7:54pm Mon 26 Jan 09
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Thanks To Everyone So Far :) x
Catchinguponnews
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7:54pm Mon 26 Jan 09
It's Me again !
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8:01pm Mon 26 Jan 09
Catchinguponnews wrote:Well said !
I would like to send my thoughts and condolences to the family and friends of the two boys who have been lost in this tragic event and to wish a speedy recovery to those injured. I speak with the experience of losing a son on local roads though in different circumstances, the family of these boys will be in a terrible state and I do feel that no matter how strongly others feel about the circumstances now is not the time to express those views.
And I am sorry for your loss too.
To lose a child, in whatever way, must be the worse thing in the world, something you never recover from.
Can all these nasty comments now stop, please remember alot of people are grieving
s.i.l.i.i.
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8:09pm Mon 26 Jan 09
leannem123
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8:11pm Mon 26 Jan 09
May the angels welcome you in.
You will be missed deeply mate.
Love Leanne x x
x-me-x
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8:13pm Mon 26 Jan 09
=[ RIP boys
....x
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8:17pm Mon 26 Jan 09
s.i.l.i.i. wrote:shut up use are annoying me now, no one cares about your stupid comments!, think about the loss! not about the stupid car, you should have learnt from the first time your heap of metal (yes peice of metal!) got stolen, obviously your not liked in the area, and to be honest i dont like you either, oh and another thing it wasnt your dad in the car so get over yourself! no ones asking for sympathy, no one needs it, now go away idiot
Ive got to agree with all the right minded people - these boys new what they were doing when they stole that car and that action led to their deaths and the injury to their pal and an innocent 61 year old man . Im fed up with all the petty car crime in the area and have been a victim of this on numerous occasions and each time loose out financially . It does not matter how you are insured it always costs the victim something . To say "a car can be replaced" shows the mentality of those concerned - It shouldnt have to be replaced because it shouldnt have been taken in the first place . Sorry but I have no sympathy , that could have been my dad in that other car .
Carparkattendant
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8:21pm Mon 26 Jan 09
s.i.l.i.i. wrote:It will take that 61 year old man years to recover, if he ever does. He will may lose his job and business if he has one, maybe never work again and get very little compensation, since the driver of the stolen vehicle were not insured. So he will be reliying on his own motor insurance and the crime victim compensation scheme. But it could have been worse, his car could have been carrying a family with children. But none of this has been acknowledged by any of the people who claim to know and be grieving over this incident. The innocent do not matter in thier eyes. There answer is only "well it is only a car", what does it matter!
Ive got to agree with all the right minded people - these boys new what they were doing when they stole that car and that action led to their deaths and the injury to their pal and an innocent 61 year old man . Im fed up with all the petty car crime in the area and have been a victim of this on numerous occasions and each time loose out financially . It does not matter how you are insured it always costs the victim something . To say "a car can be replaced" shows the mentality of those concerned - It shouldnt have to be replaced because it shouldnt have been taken in the first place . Sorry but I have no sympathy , that could have been my dad in that other car .
max never the min
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8:22pm Mon 26 Jan 09
Jordan Glen....keep on fundraising and I hope you raise enough to help the pensioner out of his financial turmoil caused by these theiving pieces of scum when they smashed into him when he was innocently driving.
I appreciate the support by their friends and this is good to see but things like this come with the territory when committing crime. They knew this and unfortunately paid the price.
Chelsiee
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8:30pm Mon 26 Jan 09
if your not going to say anything good dont atall, it upsets me to read all these vile comments on here.
rest in peace boys x
beanie59
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8:35pm Mon 26 Jan 09
Chelsiee
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8:37pm Mon 26 Jan 09
It was a shock to everyone & this will never fade away, look at the amount of people paying their respects for you boys you were loved.Even if there are a few that didnt no the kind people you were and just judging you.
STAY SMILING UP THERE BOYS
Gooodbye x
It's Me again !
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8:42pm Mon 26 Jan 09
You have made your point and now you are just content in causing arguments.
None of the kids on here have made excusses for these lads, they are also shocked at what their friends did but you going on and on is not helping !
Now leave them to make their comments for the friends they have lost.
berniandlol
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8:48pm Mon 26 Jan 09
Rest in peace larry, will miss you lots.
Love berni and family.
xx
berniandlol
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8:48pm Mon 26 Jan 09
Rest in peace larry, will miss you lots.
Love berni and family.
xx
Samz-x
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8:49pm Mon 26 Jan 09
max never the min wrote:You just proved to be a bit of scum yourself, Larry and Jay are dead you sad man, Yes they done wrong no-body has said they haven't but if you scroll up and bit you will see that they wasn't as bad as your small mind thinks they were, Jay stuck up for the people being bullied or are you having to much fun critiscing him for a mistake that he has made!
Wayne 1995....you sad idiot. Jordan Glen....keep on fundraising and I hope you raise enough to help the pensioner out of his financial turmoil caused by these theiving pieces of scum when they smashed into him when he was innocently driving. I appreciate the support by their friends and this is good to see but things like this come with the territory when committing crime. They knew this and unfortunately paid the price.
Everyone makes mistakes & everyone will continue to make mistakes, I bet you have made mistakes commenting like you are a sain with your cold heartless thoughts. You do not know what happpened, you do not know how it was caused the only thing you are reading is that the car was stolen, How do you no it was not caused by the old man?? How do you no there was not something wrong with either or the causes, This could all be an accident for all you know. What you be writting these comments if it was someone in your family who had done this? Didn't think so.
Rest In Peace Lads, Your loved by some many.
Samz-x
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8:56pm Mon 26 Jan 09
Earthling wrote:Sympathy goes out to the Man & Woman who raised such a cold hearted, inconsiderate human being with a very small mind.
Oh well, Just nature cleaning up the gene pool, Karma is great isn't it Sympathy goes out only to the 61 year old gentleman injured, and the unfortunate person who had there car stolen
jack.t.
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9:04pm Mon 26 Jan 09
LOVE JACK T..XX
berniandlol
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9:09pm Mon 26 Jan 09
JordanGlen
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9:11pm Mon 26 Jan 09
Wayne 1995....yeh i was being bullied and no mate i aint scum but if u really wanna go there then like i sed come up the school and u see how many people u will go against after ur daft unfaithful comments.
you just gotta think for there familes if they come on here to see the support from everyone and theres you not even noing the boys calling them names then mate i think your the SCUM ..!!
Aysha
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9:15pm Mon 26 Jan 09
You dint deserve to be taken away from us, i woke up this morning thinking it wass all just a night mare yous was so good to eveyone and Jayy i dont think anyone would ever be able to forget you your cheeky little grin , Wee All Love you soo muchh andd Will NEVER EVER forget youu
R.I.P Jayy Barry & Larry,
♥
crimedon'tpay
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9:17pm Mon 26 Jan 09
Have a read of this;
http://www.london-se
1.co.uk/news/view/28
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To all the people out there saying that they deserved it please do try and keep your feelings to yourself, it doesn't help anyone!
To all the friends of the deceased boys please do try and think how you can make something positive out of their deaths. Don't ever think that what they did was a mistake though. A mistake is a spelling mistake, or accidentally going down a wrong way street. Nicking someone elses car doesn't fit that category. Always think of the consequences of what you are doing. Consider the young boy Billy in the story above and imagine someone close to you hurt or killed by people in a stolen car.
Thanks for reading this...
TheViking
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9:20pm Mon 26 Jan 09
endx
chloekitchen
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9:28pm Mon 26 Jan 09
I cant believe it !
Only seemed the other day when you was going to come join me for a Jog ha . Never going to forget that cheeky little Smile of Yours. You will not be forgotten, not by me and not by any one else.
You was one in a million , who i have never ever seen in a bad mood, always had that smile on your face. Got alot of good things to say about you and im sure everyone else has. You didnt deserve to die. Such a nice boy, its **** unreal that your gone. Going to be so weird not seeing you around.
Sleep Tight Jay , See you Soon.
REST IN PEACE.
HARRY AND BATHROOM , foreverrrrr ! xoxox
Mark Georgiou
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9:33pm Mon 26 Jan 09
Love Mark Georgiou Aka Formzie xx
charlie o
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9:37pm Mon 26 Jan 09
jay i will allways rember u as the bullie beater wen ever i had a problem with a bullie or somethign u whuold be there for me any time any day i will never forget u JAY BARRY R.I.P
well wat can we say about u larry u might have been a lil **** but still u was an allrigth kid inside i will never forget u m8
R.I.P LARRY HALL
XX
LeahStar
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9:39pm Mon 26 Jan 09
Love You Boys R.I.P x X
Mark Georgiou
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9:40pm Mon 26 Jan 09
Love Mark Georgiou Aka Formzie xx
gonna miss you boyz rip
Marty1979
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10:04pm Mon 26 Jan 09
JordanGlen wrote:Is this collection for the old man in the hospital or for the people who caused the crash?
Thanks EveryOne For Your Comments They Mean Alot To The Boys Closests Friends And Distant Friends. We Are Having A Collection For Them Till Wednesday At School And Today We Have Raised Over £100 For A Contribution Towards The Funeral Soo Please Donate Thank You For More On How Grants Is Doing And The Money Raising Add Me Or Email At Jaii.Bee@Hotmail.com Thanks To Everyone So Far :) x
Kay1973
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10:05pm Mon 26 Jan 09
PMF
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10:05pm Mon 26 Jan 09
sammy876
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10:09pm Mon 26 Jan 09
sleep well xxxxxxxxxxxx
HK/robson
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10:13pm Mon 26 Jan 09
Most of you people dont know Larry so to say he would run from a ACCIDENT is discusting. Thank you for all of Larry and Jays friends and people that care that 2 very young boys have tragically died these are the sort of messages that are comforting to all of my family.
Everybody else that wants to leave unwelcome messages, instead of writing on a website i can give you my contact details or we can meet up and we will see if you are as brave in person and if you will be willing to comment on things you have absolutly no idea about.
Rest In Peace Larry you are missed so much xxx
GRACEEE
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10:16pm Mon 26 Jan 09
NEVER FORGOTTEN
X X X X
STOP MAKING HORRIBLE COMMENTS ON HERE! THINK OF THERE LOVED ONES AND TEH HARD TIME THEY ARE GOING THROUGH YOU WOULDNT BE SAYINF THIS IF IT WAS YOUR FAMILY. HAVE A HEART!
becky0086
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10:17pm Mon 26 Jan 09
you don't know the boy's or the in and outs of there lives larry was a kind boy who would always help an old lady or anyone for that matter who was in trouble, he didn't have a nasty bone in his body.
what ever they have done or whatever larry's faults he DID NOT derserve to die his life was just beginning and he has left a broken mother and father behind not to mention his 2 sister's and nephew and nieces(who will never know there uncle larry).so to all those people who didn't have any thing respectfull to say i hope if you have children and they ever make a mistake that cost them there lives people won't be as cruel to you as you have been to 3 children.
Larry rest in peace sweetheart,your with your grandad and uncle they will take care of you sweet dreams xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
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R.I.P
LARRY HALL
XX
Evman
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10:20pm Mon 26 Jan 09
Alwayz Finkinn Of Yaa xxx
s.i.l.i.i.
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10:23pm Mon 26 Jan 09
....x wrote:to..x..
s.i.l.i.i. wrote: Ive got to agree with all the right minded people - these boys new what they were doing when they stole that car and that action led to their deaths and the injury to their pal and an innocent 61 year old man . Im fed up with all the petty car crime in the area and have been a victim of this on numerous occasions and each time loose out financially . It does not matter how you are insured it always costs the victim something . To say "a car can be replaced" shows the mentality of those concerned - It shouldnt have to be replaced because it shouldnt have been taken in the first place . Sorry but I have no sympathy , that could have been my dad in that other car .shut up use are annoying me now, no one cares about your stupid comments!, think about the loss! not about the stupid car, you should have learnt from the first time your heap of metal (yes peice of metal!) got stolen, obviously your not liked in the area, and to be honest i dont like you either, oh and another thing it wasnt your dad in the car so get over yourself! no ones asking for sympathy, no one needs it, now go away idiot
i understand these boys died , but all there friends need to understand this , if they hadnt stolen the car in the first place all this discussion would be irrelevant because they would still be alive . I lost a friend once in a similar accident after he had stolen a car so ive first hand experience of this type of loss and yes , he was a stupid fool too . Difference is we new he was wrong and his death steered many of us away from repeating his idiotic actions . Lets hope that you all take notice and stay away from other peoples stuff .
redhotdutch
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10:31pm Mon 26 Jan 09
It's Me again !
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10:33pm Mon 26 Jan 09
s.i.l.i.i. wrote:These kids arnt thick!
....x wrote:to..x.. i understand these boys died , but all there friends need to understand this , if they hadnt stolen the car in the first place all this discussion would be irrelevant because they would still be alive . I lost a friend once in a similar accident after he had stolen a car so ive first hand experience of this type of loss and yes , he was a stupid fool too . Difference is we new he was wrong and his death steered many of us away from repeating his idiotic actions . Lets hope that you all take notice and stay away from other peoples stuff .s.i.l.i.i. wrote: Ive got to agree with all the right minded people - these boys new what they were doing when they stole that car and that action led to their deaths and the injury to their pal and an innocent 61 year old man . Im fed up with all the petty car crime in the area and have been a victim of this on numerous occasions and each time loose out financially . It does not matter how you are insured it always costs the victim something . To say "a car can be replaced" shows the mentality of those concerned - It shouldnt have to be replaced because it shouldnt have been taken in the first place . Sorry but I have no sympathy , that could have been my dad in that other car .shut up use are annoying me now, no one cares about your stupid comments!, think about the loss! not about the stupid car, you should have learnt from the first time your heap of metal (yes peice of metal!) got stolen, obviously your not liked in the area, and to be honest i dont like you either, oh and another thing it wasnt your dad in the car so get over yourself! no ones asking for sympathy, no one needs it, now go away idiot
They know that if they hadnt stolen the car it wouldnt have happened, for god sake stop treating them like divs !
None of the kids on here have said they were right to have done what they did, they are coming on here to say how much they will miss their friend !
karlene
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10:37pm Mon 26 Jan 09
Samz-x
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10:37pm Mon 26 Jan 09
s.i.l.i.i. wrote:All you go on about is the "stolen car" would there be all these small minded and heart less messages if they had owned the car, because im pretty sure you would be saying what a terrible accident, but just because the car was stolen it could not of been an accident! and as have said many times no-body knows how the crash happened do they, it could of been the old mans fault, it could of been a technical thougt with either one of the cards but just because it was stolen you straight away blame it on them. No1 has said they are right to have stolen that car, every knew it was wrong. But 2 families have lost one of the most precious things life gives to you, a child.
....x wrote:to..x.. i understand these boys died , but all there friends need to understand this , if they hadnt stolen the car in the first place all this discussion would be irrelevant because they would still be alive . I lost a friend once in a similar accident after he had stolen a car so ive first hand experience of this type of loss and yes , he was a stupid fool too . Difference is we new he was wrong and his death steered many of us away from repeating his idiotic actions . Lets hope that you all take notice and stay away from other peoples stuff .s.i.l.i.i. wrote: Ive got to agree with all the right minded people - these boys new what they were doing when they stole that car and that action led to their deaths and the injury to their pal and an innocent 61 year old man . Im fed up with all the petty car crime in the area and have been a victim of this on numerous occasions and each time loose out financially . It does not matter how you are insured it always costs the victim something . To say "a car can be replaced" shows the mentality of those concerned - It shouldnt have to be replaced because it shouldnt have been taken in the first place . Sorry but I have no sympathy , that could have been my dad in that other car .shut up use are annoying me now, no one cares about your stupid comments!, think about the loss! not about the stupid car, you should have learnt from the first time your heap of metal (yes peice of metal!) got stolen, obviously your not liked in the area, and to be honest i dont like you either, oh and another thing it wasnt your dad in the car so get over yourself! no ones asking for sympathy, no one needs it, now go away idiot
amy.d
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10:38pm Mon 26 Jan 09
R.I.P Larry x
leander
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10:40pm Mon 26 Jan 09
How dare those who probably have no idea what WE are going through comment in such a nasty way.
Have some compassion for the friends and families of these boys. Yes they did a stupid thing, but what has happened has happened and now the family have to cope with the knowledge that they will never see their loved ones again.
Daisy should not be having to defend herself, she is mourning the loss of her cousin.
To all those who are being nasty, get a life, at least you still have one.
It's Me again !
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10:42pm Mon 26 Jan 09
karlene wrote:RIGHT THERE YOU GO ....FROM THE FAMILY OF THE MAN.
the 61 year old man is my uncle he spent yesterday in threatre hes legs are broke and knees are shattered but all he is upset about is those poor boys who has lost thier lives. I know jay throw ashley and larry throw friends and it is a sham and i feel for the family and friends at this hard time my uncle lives in cray and he knows what boys are like so never mind the stolen car **** the car who cares all the people putting bad messages on need to sit back and have a little think and hope one day its not there son R.I.P boys xxxxxxxxxxx
NOW LAY OFF ALL YOU PEOPLE WHO HAVE NOTHING NICE TO SAY
KARLENE,
I HOPE YOUR UNCLE RECOVERS. HE SOUNDS LIKE A NICE CARING MAN. MY THOUGHTS ARE WITH YOU AND YOUR FAMILY XX
max never the min
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10:47pm Mon 26 Jan 09
paigebrindle@hotmail.com
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10:48pm Mon 26 Jan 09
leander
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10:52pm Mon 26 Jan 09
It's Me again !
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10:59pm Mon 26 Jan 09
leander wrote:Couldnt have put it better myself.
go to bed max yr boring me.
kerryannwood
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10:59pm Mon 26 Jan 09
x Kirsty x
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11:04pm Mon 26 Jan 09
Lal I love you and I hope your resting in piece.
Sleep Tight boy xxx
Sam666
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11:14pm Mon 26 Jan 09
This must be an act of bad karma or retribution.
JordanGlen
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11:16pm Mon 26 Jan 09
x Kirsty x wrote:well put x these other people need to sort it out and if there up for it come see me
You Scumbag, my little cousin died YES because of a crime he committed but didnt deserve this result. You can all sit behind your computer screens giving your opinions but thats the easy part for all of you. You have not got a clue about anything or what these boys were about. Yes I truely feel sorry for the man in hospital, and understand he was an innocent victim but would you all be saying this hurtful stuff about these 3 young boys if this pensioner was a known paedophile??? You would be praising these boys to the max. Lal I love you and I hope your resting in piece. Sleep Tight boy xxx
1 in a million
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11:18pm Mon 26 Jan 09
Rest in Peace boys.
mumof5
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11:27pm Mon 26 Jan 09
Topaz.V. wrote:Well done to you. I'm sure you did everything possible, and I'm sure it's reassuring for Jays family knowing that he had someone caring around him.
Im shocked that 2 boys died, i was one of the people who pulled them from the car, i was talking to the boy jay while waiting for the ambulance so i really can't beleive he didnt make it. Larry had unfortunately already passed but there was a team of people trying to bring him back. That night will be with me forever, my heart goes out to the family's im so sorry for your loss. I hope the man gets better soon,im pleased to hear he's pulling through .I cant imagine how everyone involved is feeling, just wish i could have done more x
Personally, I didn't know these kids, but I know people who did.
Yes stealing a car is wrong, however, unforetunately they are no longer here to defend themselves.
It is obvious that the lads were well liked lads and will be sadly missed by their peers.
Remember these boys have left behind families who are grieving at this terrible time, and should be able to do so in peace.
Thoughts are with the two people still in hospital.
Lastly, to anyone who knew these boys - don't let their deaths be in vain...learn from it, dont follow in their footsteps and treasure your memories of them.
RIP
calleigh
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11:28pm Mon 26 Jan 09
E YOOH)....R.I.P JAY..XX
1 in a million
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11:33pm Mon 26 Jan 09
karlene wrote:I was gonna say He would be the last person in the world to put material thing s before a young boys life. I wish him a speedy recovery.
the 61 year old man is my uncle he spent yesterday in threatre hes legs are broke and knees are shattered but all he is upset about is those poor boys who has lost thier lives. I know jay throw ashley and larry throw friends and it is a sham and i feel for the family and friends at this hard time my uncle lives in cray and he knows what boys are like so never mind the stolen car **** the car who cares all the people putting bad messages on need to sit back and have a little think and hope one day its not there son R.I.P boys xxxxxxxxxxx
donna846
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11:43pm Mon 26 Jan 09
sammy876
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11:48pm Mon 26 Jan 09
sammy876
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11:50pm Mon 26 Jan 09
hackney bird
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12:01am Tue 27 Jan 09
donna846
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12:23am Tue 27 Jan 09
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charlieb09
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12:35am Tue 27 Jan 09
JamieNeville
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1:02am Tue 27 Jan 09
C11arm
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2:37am Tue 27 Jan 09
I am not trying to make snide remarks as it's not my style, I simply feel compelled to stand up for these two boys who are no longer able to do-so for themselves. It is quintessentially apparent that what these boys did on Saturday night was wrong, however it is not up to people such as yourselves to judge them publically when the majority of the people posting comments on here are in an immense state of grief, not to mention the families of these boys. Fair enough, you did not know these boys and cannot grasp how hurt we all are, but please, i beg of you to have the decency to keep these negative comments to yourselves so that you do not make the pain we are all experiencing any worse. The driver of the second car is even concerned about these boys, he is not being as materialistic as some of you and worrying about a REPLACEABLE car. So perhaps you should all take a note out of his book.
To the elderly gentleman in the other car and Grant I pray that you both recover as soon as possible.
My thoughts are with all concerned in this awful tragedy, particularly the parents and families of both Jay and Larry.
Although I did not know him, I hope that Larry rests in peace. And Jay... well what can I possibly say. You were one in a million, so many people thought so highly of you. You will definitely not be forgotten in a hurry. I hope you watch over your family from wherever you are as they need you at this awful time. Sleep well sweetheart, and make sure that famous grin of yours continues to be a permanent fixture on your face.
Charlotte ****.
City
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7:05am Tue 27 Jan 09
It seems to attract conflict at an already troubled time.
Sorry for all those involved, especially the innocent members of the public caught up in the situation, I just do not feel a public debate is needed.
JordanGlen
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7:50am Tue 27 Jan 09
Thanks everyone for the good comments the boys would be so greatful x
puss in boots
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7:51am Tue 27 Jan 09
donna846 wrote:Donna, why you are saying i am twisted sad and a man ? I am none of these. I tried to read your post but had to stop as i felt nauseous, so what, you knew the boys, does that make your word gospel ? all i said was they not the 1st and they wont be the last. get over it.oh and before any of you numpties bang out the usual cliches/personal insults ...go for it...if it makes you feel better - it wont change anything tho.People still entitled to an opinion.
Firstly i would like to comment on Puss in Boots and maxneverthemin.... you are very sad sad and twisted men that need to focus on the feelings of the families and friends of Jay and Larry... These boys i have known for many years and they are the most kind natured boys you could have known in todays way of standards... I live within a stones throw of both boys and they have always been polite.. They have made a mistake to which they paid with their lives, please could you stop harping on this fact... yes all their friends are distraught and havent commented on the poor man of 61 years of age, For gods sake they are 17year old teenagers who think of nothing else but their own grief..... see it for what it is max and pussinboots...... My daughter went to school with both these boys and Grant who is critically ill lives next door. All of the boys come form a very home loving and stable family... Society has failed our youth YET AGAIN there are no organisations or support these boys and girls can get.. Larry and Jay have family including cousins, and friends they have left behind... im sure if they knew the consequences regarding thje 61 year old this wouldn't have even occured let alone their own loss of life!!! We must all come together and stop condemming...I must say reading your comments you are both very bitter men who need to get themselves a life. you need to stop being so twisted and consider all partys concerned including the 61 year old... i do and my father is of the same age, but i would thank god he is the one alive!!!! I consider you totally disrespectful towards daisylou and i hope you can live with your comments, because i personally couldn't. i would love to bump into you in orpington and take you to Larrys and Jays parents and see the emotional grief they are going through!!! Those boys were a pleasure to know and i am happy my daughter had them as friends... Larry was always polite to me and my younger children, always put himself out to wave and say hello... i will miss that... Ravensbury road wouldnt be the same without Larry... Jay,,, i remember him smartly dressed in his suit for the prom... Alicia, John Moxon and Jay were proud to have their photos taken and boy, did they all look wonderful... Grant is my direct neighbour... He is a wonderful boy, very polite and always happy to help somebody in need... Get well GRANT and hope you have a speed recovery darling....My heart goes out to his family, and it may be an idea to stop this nastiness and come together as a community to support the families of all 3 young boys.... Life is too short... please keep your opinions to yourself and help and support all the friends and families that are grieving...
City
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8:01am Tue 27 Jan 09
JordanGlen wrote:
Yes They Should But It Should Be Kept From ignorent People Like Man Never The Min He is just a heartless fool . Thanks everyone for the good comments the boys would be so greatful x
I just feel there are better mediums for people to air their grief rather than a public comment board.
Past experience usually shows that the comments usually turn to personnel attacks causing additional upset.
Jon Cheetham
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8:17am Tue 27 Jan 09
To answer your questions about comments on this story. It is not really a matter of whether or not comments boards are necessary. The comments boards are a public forum where people are given the chance to have their say. They are an opportunity for readers to express their views and opinions about stories. And it is bound by site terms agreed by everyone who registers to take part in the discussion. I would be happy to continue this discussion on the News Shopper forum if you like.
City
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8:36am Tue 27 Jan 09
But hey over 100 comments must be good for the stats as lets be honest no one has really commented on any stories since the new site format.
Harry:SE15
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8:58am Tue 27 Jan 09
somebodystolemyusername
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9:13am Tue 27 Jan 09
TheScumdertaker
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10:02am Tue 27 Jan 09
More like scum will be scum - always.
girls1
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10:07am Tue 27 Jan 09
And the people who leave nasty sick comments about the mans car , he will get another car , but we wont get jay and larry back! :( x
chloekitchen
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10:09am Tue 27 Jan 09
Yeah they made a mistake and they lost their lives and grant is in eintensive care for itt.
Theyy weree suchh nicee boysss , neverr angryy.
Iff youu kantt sayy nuffink Dont say nuffinkk att all.
Youu all makee mee feell sickkk.
The people writing horrible komments aree SKUM matee!
Gett of thee Sitee !
RIP JAY AND LARRY.
GRANT - YOU KAN PULL THROUGH THIS , EVERYONE BELIEVES IN YOU!
Roman
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10:40am Tue 27 Jan 09
Yes they commited a crime, but you people are more criminal than them.
Ok so the car was stolen. that doesnt mean that they was to blame for the accident
was you there ? did you see it ? no ! then you have no right to stand in judgment on these young lads. yes what they done was wrong and they paid the ultimate price.
But at the end of the day you mindless ignorant pigs, it is just a car, a piece of metal with no life, no flesh and like you, no soul ! Just think how you would feel if it was one of your children eh !
But then the chances are your so bloody horrible and unlikeable that you are all billy no mates with not a single friend let alone girlfriend/wife and kids.
GET THIS IN YOUR THICK SKULLS ! THESE BOYS ARE DEAD ! PEOPLE ARE GRIEVEING ! SHOW SOME BLOODY RESPECT.
yes you have a right to your opinion, but any one with any degree of education would realise there is a time and a place, and this isnt it !
As a parent my heart goes out to the parents of the boys who have sadly lost their young lives in this incident, from the comments on here they was well liked young boys and will be greatly missed. To the driver of the other vehicle, I wish you a speedy recovery.
TheScumdertaker
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10:51am Tue 27 Jan 09
Most of you had never met these dead criminals and, luckily, most of you have not been victims of their behaviour.
Save your sympathy for the real victims in all of this; the 61-year old man the the owner of the stolen car.
Just think on!
It's Me again !
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11:01am Tue 27 Jan 09
TheScumdertaker wrote:Thats not nice.
Boys will be boys? More like scum will be scum - always.
these boys were somebodies sons.
yes what they did was wrong and they have paid the highest rice for it but remember there are 3 sets of parents who have lost the most precious thing in the world.
dont call them scum, thats just wrong
SidcupMum
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12:01pm Tue 27 Jan 09
We live in Sidcup and when my daughter decided to venture out on her own for the first time she went to St Pauls Cray, it got dark and she got lost, Jay found her crying and asked if she was okay, she told him she was lost, he convinced her that it was okay to ring her mum and waited with her until i picked her up to make sure she was safe.
I would like to say that I am very grateful for what Jay did.
I didnt know him but will always remember him for the kindness he showed that day xxx
kerry10107
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12:02pm Tue 27 Jan 09
People should remember that these boys are now no longer with us,respect should be paid to them, even if you dont think highly of them or their behavior, if you dont have anything comforting for the families to read then you shouldnt comment at all.
You should all remember that these boys have families, they are someones son, and so many people are grieving for them, nobody should have to read the hurtful things that people are saying here.
I wish the old man a speady recovery, and my thoughts are with him and his family at this time.
Im sure that he would have compassion for these boys whose lives were taken from them so devestatingly.
Please remember that everyone makes bad decisions, nobody has the right to judge the boys especially when you dont know them, by all means have your opinions about their actions that night, but you cant make assumptions and accusations about the sort of people you think they are.
I wish Grant all the luck in the world for a recovery, we are all thinking of you at this tradgic time.
r.i.p boys, all my love to you both x
It's Me again !
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12:03pm Tue 27 Jan 09
donna846 wrote:BRILLIANT NEWS.
Grant has NOT passed away. He has a long road to recovery but he will be ok.
You need to tell people on facebook then as a girl has left a messae to say that he has died
TheScumdertaker
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12:07pm Tue 27 Jan 09
I wonder not only how old the daughter is, but also how old the mother is to be so stupid.
Or perhaps the whole statement is a work of fiction.
Samz-x
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12:12pm Tue 27 Jan 09
You do not like the fact that actually larry and jay was good decent people, who done something stupid once and have now paid the ultimate price, One mistake they have made, look how many people have commented to say how they stuck up for people against bullies, Helped lost children.
So why don't you wonder about things somewhere else, The only thing you are right about is ur name!
It's Me again !
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12:12pm Tue 27 Jan 09
Jon Cheetham wrote:But is it right for people to be allowed to call the boys SCUM and openly write that they are glad they are dead ?
City, To answer your questions about comments on this story. It is not really a matter of whether or not comments boards are necessary. The comments boards are a public forum where people are given the chance to have their say. They are an opportunity for readers to express their views and opinions about stories. And it is bound by site terms agreed by everyone who registers to take part in the discussion. I would be happy to continue this discussion on the News Shopper forum if you like.
Newshopper get your act together and monitor the comments !!!
TheScumdertaker
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12:12pm Tue 27 Jan 09
Not everyone is a left-wing looney, mamby pamby, do-gooder.
Kathryn93
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12:15pm Tue 27 Jan 09
RIP Jay And Larry
EveryOne At Coopers Will Miss You
You Can Pull Through This Grant
All Our Love
x
TheScumdertaker
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12:17pm Tue 27 Jan 09
Samz-x
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12:17pm Tue 27 Jan 09
TheScumdertaker wrote:UNFORTUNATLEY! You was not the old man.
If I was the old man I would be glad to hear the news that they are no longer around to steal other people's property and terrorise neighbourhoods. Not everyone is a left-wing looney, mamby pamby, do-gooder.
A family member of the Man commented to say how he is thinking of the boys and devastated that they have passed away. Now that is a decent, kind, caring human being.
So Scum go back to the gutter where you belong with you narrow small minded comments and let the families and friends grieve for their loss of very much loved and cherished boys.
Marty1979
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12:22pm Tue 27 Jan 09
Samz-x wrote:"One mistake" I wonder if this was the first time they'd stolen a car? And to cause that much damage I doubt they were only doing 30mph
You have no right to comment about other peoples parenting skills? You do not like the fact that actually larry and jay was good decent people, who done something stupid once and have now paid the ultimate price, One mistake they have made, look how many people have commented to say how they stuck up for people against bullies, Helped lost children. So why don't you wonder about things somewhere else, The only thing you are right about is ur name!
TheScumdertaker
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12:22pm Tue 27 Jan 09
SidcupMum
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12:24pm Tue 27 Jan 09
TheScumdertaker wrote:Regardless of anything else, why are you goading people in such tragic circumstances, do you think your friends and faimly would be proud of your behaviour
Why on Earth would any mother allow her daughter to venture into St. Paul's Cray at night? I wonder not only how old the daughter is, but also how old the mother is to be so stupid. Or perhaps the whole statement is a work of fiction.
Samz-x
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12:27pm Tue 27 Jan 09
TheScumdertaker wrote:Oh sorry marty, i forgot that you knew them, Have you not read the comments where people have said about how the stood up for the kids being bullied, or how they helped young lost girls home to there mum or you just going to dismiss that because it does not fit in where your critsicm.
Samz-x, my description obviously sums you up well as it hit such a nerve. Carry on taking the benefits and demonstrating outside airports.
You do no know me to some me up Scumdertake, but from your comments i think everybody can some you up as a heartless small minded pig!
Jay & Larry are sons, they have parents, family & friends who want tot grieve for them without nasty comments like yours, Why don't you put your real name or go up to larry and jays parents and tell them what you think?
Samz-x
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12:30pm Tue 27 Jan 09
Benefits? Demostrating outside airports, How old are you? As it seems you have a very low mental age as well as not heart.
kerry10107
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12:34pm Tue 27 Jan 09
It is clear that you did not know these boys, therefore your comments on them isnt exactly relevent. By all means, have opinions on the bad decisions that they made that night, but dont judge the boys, you dont know anything about them.
Members of their family should be able to read this and find comfort in the comments that their friends have made, they shouldnt have to face such hurtful comments by people who have no idea what they are talking about.
Imagine it was your brother, or son or nephew, or cousin, or friend, show some respect.
SidcupMum
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12:41pm Tue 27 Jan 09
Kay1973
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12:46pm Tue 27 Jan 09
TheScumdertaker
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12:50pm Tue 27 Jan 09
'Hypocrites' comes instantly to mind. Just because you disagree with something someone says, you turn nasty.
You are more callous than I have ever been.
Kay1973
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12:53pm Tue 27 Jan 09
TheScumdertaker
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1:16pm Tue 27 Jan 09
You should all come with a Government Sick Bucket Warning stamped on your foreheads.
puss in boots
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1:23pm Tue 27 Jan 09
Puff Daddy
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1:48pm Tue 27 Jan 09
Also wishing a speedy recovery to the injured.
Every time the Shopper reports one of these sad stories we get so called 'friends' telling us all, 'they wuz good boys etc'. Yea yea, and if ya 'Aunty' had balls she'd be ya uncle. Some of you so called 'friends' need to look at your role in all this. How many other times had they done this, and don't tell me never.
Well there's plenty of room up the crematorium for car/bike thieves. Learn a lesson please.
25
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1:50pm Tue 27 Jan 09
becky1967
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1:55pm Tue 27 Jan 09
TheScumdertaker
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1:57pm Tue 27 Jan 09
It sickens me that criminals are treated as martyrs. Always the little angels, never mind what they got up to before they die.
Let's hope all the silly girls and boys who think these dead idiots were whiter than white, go to Facebook and amuse themselves there.
Why do these people treat these stories like a condolence board? It is a news story that people have different opinions about, not a tribute site for the dead!
puss in boots
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1:58pm Tue 27 Jan 09
25 wrote:Puff and 25.
I am disgusted by some of the comments on here. The 61year old so called "coffin dodger" is actually a driver from our local cab office. He has been providing a service to the local residents for many years now, and for Wayne 1995 from sidcup to say that it was probably his fault is disgraceful. These boys in this car were overtaking another vehicle on a bend, driving on the wrong side of the road,at 60mph, so it was infact NOT the 61 year olds fault. He was simply on his way to pick up a fare. He has many years of driving under his belt an is more than capable of driving in a safe manner. If you are not aware, ALL cab drivers have to undergo a medical examination once a year, and if he was incapable, he would not have his cabbing license. My thoughts are with Terry Dukes' family and his work colleagues from Jasons Cars. This man is a pillar of our community, and i wish him a very speedy recovery. As stated by others, yes it is a tragedy, but if you play with fire, you are bound to get burnt.
round of applause.
to the driver Terry, get well soon you are the innocent one in all this. Puff they wont learn anything. infact i give a week or 2 we back here again. same sh*t different time.
becky1967
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2:05pm Tue 27 Jan 09
TheScumdertaker
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2:09pm Tue 27 Jan 09
I have had two cars and one motorbike stolen from me in the last 11 years.
Do you think I wish the thieves well? On the contrary, I hope they are six foot under!
becky1967
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2:09pm Tue 27 Jan 09
kerry10107
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2:17pm Tue 27 Jan 09
becky1967
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2:32pm Tue 27 Jan 09
TheScumdertaker wrote:well iv had cars stolen from me 1 get some gaurd dogs 2 protect your no clames and i dont wish the ones that stole mine dead i dont wish anyone dead shows we are better people than you !!!
One other thing I would like to add. I have had two cars and one motorbike stolen from me in the last 11 years. Do you think I wish the thieves well? On the contrary, I hope they are six foot under!
madras
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2:33pm Tue 27 Jan 09
LeahStar wrote:'they wouldn't have stolen the car if they knew if would have cost them their lives' - implies it's OK to steal a car as long as you are 'lucky' and don't kill yourself. sorry, but car theft is a crime that affects all sorts of people and so JUST DO NOT DO IT
Does it matter if the car was stolen or not ?? To be honest knowin jay and larry i am quite sure they wouldnt have stolen the car if they knew i would have cost them there lives ! We will miss you boys and we will always remember you are with us following us through everything we do in life...so lets make the most of it!! Love You Boys R.I.P x X
Sympathies to ALL families - and if anything good can come of this it will be that others may think twice about their actions and decide it's not worth the risk
Carparkattendant
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2:33pm Tue 27 Jan 09
25 wrote:It would be a good idea for the police to display these two vehicles somewhere locally for all to see as a reminder of what can happen.
I am disgusted by some of the comments on here. The 61year old so called "coffin dodger" is actually a driver from our local cab office. He has been providing a service to the local residents for many years now, and for Wayne 1995 from sidcup to say that it was probably his fault is disgraceful. These boys in this car were overtaking another vehicle on a bend, driving on the wrong side of the road,at 60mph, so it was infact NOT the 61 year olds fault. He was simply on his way to pick up a fare. He has many years of driving under his belt an is more than capable of driving in a safe manner. If you are not aware, ALL cab drivers have to undergo a medical examination once a year, and if he was incapable, he would not have his cabbing license. My thoughts are with Terry Dukes' family and his work colleagues from Jasons Cars. This man is a pillar of our community, and i wish him a very speedy recovery. As stated by others, yes it is a tragedy, but if you play with fire, you are bound to get burnt.
Puff Daddy
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2:36pm Tue 27 Jan 09
Hello fool, I think it did !!
As Puss in boots says I doubt you young fools will learn, I hope you do though.
They're frying today at the crem' if not.
25
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2:37pm Tue 27 Jan 09
becky1967
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2:41pm Tue 27 Jan 09
JerseyMaypole
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2:50pm Tue 27 Jan 09
becky1967 wrote:Why do you keep repeating this? Are you making some sort of threat to peoples' children? The same sort of threat your friends were to any pedestrian or car driver in the way of their speeding, stolen car?
like i say hope someone will alawys be watchin your children when thay are out !!!!
Marty1979
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2:57pm Tue 27 Jan 09
It's Me again !
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3:02pm Tue 27 Jan 09
TheScumdertaker wrote:See it's not nice is it ?!
Strange that because you disagree with my point of view - of which I am entitled - you proceed to insult me by referring to deceased members of my family. 'Hypocrites' comes instantly to mind. Just because you disagree with something someone says, you turn nasty. You are more callous than I have ever been.
Although i dont agree with any nasty comments on here, YOU have sat here all morning giving yours!
Most of the kids who has left messages on here have been polite (apart from a coupel of prats), they have not made excusses for their friends
25
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3:08pm Tue 27 Jan 09
Marty1979 wrote:There are other means and ways of stopping a vehicle other than being chased. They could radio ahead for another police car to throw out some stingers and deflate the tyres of this vehicle, and stop the accident before it had occurred. It would have saved alot of heartache for all families involved.
"Where were the police" ??? So I suppose by this logic if they'd chased the stolen car it would have been their fault
It's Me again !
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3:17pm Tue 27 Jan 09
Marty1979 wrote: How is Terry doing today ?
I know he was in theatre yesterday
mungia1
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4:02pm Tue 27 Jan 09
It's Me again !
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4:11pm Tue 27 Jan 09
Carparkattendant wrote:At last a sensible comment from you!
25 wrote: I am disgusted by some of the comments on here. The 61year old so called "coffin dodger" is actually a driver from our local cab office. He has been providing a service to the local residents for many years now, and for Wayne 1995 from sidcup to say that it was probably his fault is disgraceful. These boys in this car were overtaking another vehicle on a bend, driving on the wrong side of the road,at 60mph, so it was infact NOT the 61 year olds fault. He was simply on his way to pick up a fare. He has many years of driving under his belt an is more than capable of driving in a safe manner. If you are not aware, ALL cab drivers have to undergo a medical examination once a year, and if he was incapable, he would not have his cabbing license. My thoughts are with Terry Dukes' family and his work colleagues from Jasons Cars. This man is a pillar of our community, and i wish him a very speedy recovery. As stated by others, yes it is a tragedy, but if you play with fire, you are bound to get burnt.It would be a good idea for the police to display these two vehicles somewhere locally for all to see as a reminder of what can happen.
But i think you will find that none of the friends will ever do anything so stupid, they have learnt a hard lesson.
All the frineds are shocked at what these boys did, it was not something they were known for.
People have said these boys were scum, thugs etc but the truth is they weren't, so not only has their death come as a shock but also the fact that they were in a stolen car.
of course people who didnt know the boys are going to judge, i would have done the same if i hadnt have known them.
honestly they were not the bad kids that people on here, WHO DID NOT KNOW THEM, are saying they were....but of course when you read something like this it is easy to jump to conclusions
becky1967
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4:40pm Tue 27 Jan 09
JerseyMaypole wrote:grow up you silly person no itsa not a threat im sayin i hope it dont happen again i have a 17 yr old daughter who is just about to take her test and im worried sick about this iv insured her which was a arm and leg i am simpley sayin i hope no one eles has to go through this !!!!
becky1967 wrote: like i say hope someone will alawys be watchin your children when thay are out !!!!Why do you keep repeating this? Are you making some sort of threat to peoples' children? The same sort of threat your friends were to any pedestrian or car driver in the way of their speeding, stolen car?
becky1967
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4:46pm Tue 27 Jan 09
Rich... RIP Larry n Jay.... See you soon Larry Bro!!!
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5:26pm Tue 27 Jan 09
I cant believe how you can post such sick and shallow minded bull****. Comments coming from a few small minded and extremely petty little minds cannot produce a dent on what these two boys have done for themselves and others around them. This thread in itself shows the impact they have on everyone. They are 2 "kids" that made a mistake. I'm sure you and your loved ones know of a few mistakes you have made whilst being on this earth and i bet you have thought yourself glad to be alive at times. Well put the two together and you get how i lost one of the closest people in my life. I knew Larry from a young age and was like a brother. He did have a "Rogue" way about him as his Mum and Dad says but was loved by so so many people due to the effects he had on there lives. He was the first to offer a helping hand and the last to leave you. He was smart, whitty and very skilled, would work out an answer to everything no matter how hard it might be to find. The boy had everything ahead of him, polite, respectful and always trying to put a smile on your face. He was there to talk to whenever you needed him and would talk so much sense even at a young age. I don’t know jay but from when I met him the one time he too was polite and wanting to offer a helping hand. They were by no means scum or whatever you immoral jokes want to class them as. They made a simple mistake. They did not use there heads him Jay and Little Grant that night. They didnt think they could have been in such danger as no one thinks it will happen to you. But it did and so many lives have been affected. How you can post comments like pay for this guys car??? Or look on the bright side motor vehicle will go down again??? What cos 2 young lives have been lost? The guys car is replaceable as everyone says but not those two boys. I dare anyone of you little jokers to say that to people who have been affected by this loss. Hiding behind a forum I guarantee you feel big I dunno maybe it’s the only kick you get out of life by making people suffer. These kids definitely didn’t so who deserves to be in there situation I wonder! Take your nose out of you **** and open your eyes. There are families and friend grieving these boys and all you can do is say silly little comments like that. You didn’t know them so keep your mouth shut. If you want to open it and be disrespectful come and say it to one of our faces and see how far your opinion gets you! My heart goes out to the driver of the other vehicle also. He was unfortunate to have been involved and I hope he makes a fast recovery. The reason people don’t mention him is due to the fact they are mourning there loss’s…. paying there respect what gives you any right to try take that away??? Like I said im DISCUSTED by you shallow excuses for human beings. Wait till you lose someone special because you obviously haven’t…. think about it.
RIP LAL… I will never forget the times you were there and the things we did. You were truly a special boy.
RIP JAY… Never got to know you mate but as one of Larry’s good pals I wish you all the best.
Sleep Tite Boys!!!
Rich x
P.S. On behalf of myself n all Larry and Jays family and friends I hope you live to regret making those comments.
becky1967
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5:45pm Tue 27 Jan 09
Marty1979
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6:04pm Tue 27 Jan 09
They were driving at twice the speed limit, on the wrong side of the road.
How could it be the cab drivers fault? How could the police be to blame?
The blame for this tragedy is with them - if they had not stolen the car, if they had not driven at 60, if they had not driven on the wrong side of the road. If they had not done any of these the crash would not have happened - they would still be alive & there would not be others in hospital.
ratboy
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6:12pm Tue 27 Jan 09
Yes it's sad, but nobody forced them behind the wheel of that car, they had free choice and paid a very heavy price.
I am sorry for the families but one does have to question the kind of logic which implies these boys are blameless.
Still very sad, and I'm sure repeated on a daily basis around the country.
anonymous456
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6:25pm Tue 27 Jan 09
I remember they picked on me a little but it's all just childish banter in school.
No one deserves to die like this - even if they did put themselves in the situation.
R.I.P Lads
Best wishes to Grant and the other victim and I hope they recover soon.
becky101
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6:49pm Tue 27 Jan 09
so please if you cant say anything nice dont post anything.
all my love to the familys of these young boys. x
gsc29
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8:20pm Tue 27 Jan 09
Marty1979
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8:30pm Tue 27 Jan 09
gsc29
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9:18pm Tue 27 Jan 09
Marty1979 wrote:it was the first, but what does it matter, these boys have paid dearly for their mistake,
Simple question for those who knew them - was this the first time they had stolen a car?
ozzy_aka_romeo
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10:15pm Tue 27 Jan 09
l.com & we talk & i am sorry 4 loss of thoze pll in this crash r.i.p. sum day i will join u boyz in heaven as we all will coz this how life is & will all know it my time will **** soon peac
j1992
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10:19pm Tue 27 Jan 09
my thoughts and condolences go out to the other families and hopefully grant and the 61 year old man makes a speedy recovery.
somebodystolemyusername
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7:04am Wed 28 Jan 09
Teenagers who think it's clever to steal cars and go joy-riding will not learn from this because they think it will never happen to them.
It apparently is ok for these boys to have stolen this car because they have paid the ultimate price. Perhaps it would have been better for all involved if they hadn't been such reckless idiots in the first place. I know this may sound harsh to people who are grieving, but, like I said before will you be prepared to stop somebody else who chooses to behave this way. The answer is probably no because nobody wants to be seen as boring or "square". It's time kids started to realise that there are dangers and they need to be responsible for their own actions. Unfortunately most kids now have grown up thinking that they are invincible and they can do absolutely anything that they want with no regard for others safety or feelings.
becky1967
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7:14am Wed 28 Jan 09
somebodystolemyusername
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7:18am Wed 28 Jan 09
As a legal car driver I have every right to be disturbed by the fact that every time I go out on the roads my life could possibly be put in danger by illegal joy-riders. It's bad enough having to deal with legal idiot drivers without having the addition of illegal ones.
ratboy
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8:50am Wed 28 Jan 09
becky1967 wrote:I have no idea what this childish rant means. Just beacause someone does, it does not make them automatically a wonderful person, and all past wrong-doings are now ignored.
i just think this is so sad for everyone involved the poor familys dont need this so if you havent got a nice word or youve had a row with the old woman this moring click the close button cos my heary goes out to any perent that has to put up with this rip only babys ****
What if the boys survived?, what if the other gentleman had died? They would be facing a manslaughter charge, yeah, nice lads.
All of us are part of society, if some choose to break the law and cause their own death by behaving in a reckless manner then how is pointing that out 'disrespectful'.
Cars are WEAPONS which maim and kill, the sooner people realise they are responsible for their own actions then the sooner we can all live in safer and more compassionate society.
Those boys showed no respect or compassion for any other road user or pedestrian, yes it's sad they died but IT WAS THEIR CHOICE TO DRIVE THE CAR.
You know there is one inevitable in this life.....You will die one day!
ratboy
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9:00am Wed 28 Jan 09
j1992 wrote:j1992 wrote:"also you wanna know why areas are so reckless and full of teens doing what they want? because 99.9% of places don't have youth programmes set up to keep kids off the streets getting in trouble."
i'm horrified at 99% of these comments. i'm also one of larry's cousins and no one deserves to die like this. infact no one deserves to die no matter what they've done. yes, they may have stolen a car, but all teenagers do stuff like that. i'm not saying what they done was right, it wasn't, it was stupid and wrong. and yes they paid for what they done. but they weren't to know that stealing that car that night would cost them their lives, did they? they're teenagers, nothing like that processes through their brain whilst they're in that car. and for your information, they're not scum, nor thugs. they were dearly loved boys who's families are distraught at what's happened this weekend. my aunt has to bury her son. no mother or parent should bury their child. do you know how horrible that is? obviously not. so like many of my other family members and other people have said, this is not the time and place for disgusting comments like people have been doing. we're grieving, for christ's sake. keep your **** opinions to yourself and you have no right to judge people you didn't know, and if you're so concerned about making the community a better place why don't you go to the local council and suggest that they have programmes to educate teenagers of doing stuff (ie this) could cost them their lives and others? also you wanna know why areas are so reckless and full of teens doing what they want? because 99.9% of places don't have youth programmes set up to keep kids off the streets getting in trouble. maybe you should suggest that to the local council too. just go away with your sick heartless comments about my cousin and the other boys and find something better to do other than ****. also if these boys had owned the car, i'm sure you sick people wouldn't be commenting with the things you have been. my thoughts and condolences go out to the other families and hopefully grant and the 61 year old man makes a speedy recovery.
This tosh is spouted as fact is it? 99.9 % of areas have no youth facilities. Well, I never went to a youth club and I was never involved in criminal activity, nor were my friends. I'm not that old either before you accuse me of being 'out of touch with the youth of today'
And besides, whatever happened to knowing right from wrong? The majority of young people are not out up to no good, you my young friend only see the world from one perspective, and being narrow-minded really limits your imagination.
somebodystolemyusername
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9:11am Wed 28 Jan 09
There will always be an element of society that doesn't feel the need to conform...unfortunat
ely this element is increasing.
j1992
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9:30am Wed 28 Jan 09
also, i wasn't going to even mention if you were old or in touch with "youth". i'm not like that and obviously you are, by belittling me because i still have many things to learn in my years to come. so do many other people, and unfortunately in some cases, alot of younger people don't get to learn from a stupid decision that they should have never ever made and they lose their lives because of it.
Fran. Wade
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9:53am Wed 28 Jan 09
People are coming on here to pay their respects, And you muggy litlle people just sit on her all day criterzing!
Yeh the boys done rong, But they are payin for it with their lifes, so let them rest in peice!
Beacuse they done a bad thing dont make them bad people! Because they wernt!
And they have done it once!
Its a shame they didnt hit you sad people that are obviously upset with life, Would have done evryone a favour!
Nite boys.. Love you!
xxx
somebodystolemyusername
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10:04am Wed 28 Jan 09
This is a news site where people have the right to voice their opinion about any story that they are interested in. Most decent law abiding adults (especially car owners) will have an interest in this story because it is them that have most to lose when young criminals choose to steal their cars and drive recklessly on the roads that they pay for. We probably can't change what is happening in our society but generally we like to have a discussion about what is wrong. We are allowed to do that as long as we are not abusive or threatening. Some of the posts by the friends of the dead boys have been both abusive and threatening and I have asked for them to be removed and you can do the same if you believe a comment should not have been posted.
I believe there is a Facebook page for posting condolences and paying respect to your friends.
OfOrpington
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10:31am Wed 28 Jan 09
ratboy
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10:33am Wed 28 Jan 09
Fran. Wade wrote:Thank-you Fran, that last comment saying that 'its a shame they didnt hit you sad people' kinda suggests you advocate murder as revenge for not following your opinion...nice.
I honestly think you sad scummy minded people that have nothing nice to say need to get a hobbie! People are coming on here to pay their respects, And you muggy litlle people just sit on her all day criterzing! Yeh the boys done rong, But they are payin for it with their lifes, so let them rest in peice! Beacuse they done a bad thing dont make them bad people! Because they wernt! And they have done it once! Its a shame they didnt hit you sad people that are obviously upset with life, Would have done evryone a favour! Nite boys.. Love you! xxx
j1992 - I was simply suggesting that it's easy to blame others for our own lack of morality. There are plently of youth projects, voluntary groups, scouts, Princes Trust, out-reach youth workers, youth clubs. These are available in all areas and particularly more deprived areas as these tend to get better funding.
What about voluntary work? Get involved with your local community instead of expecting the community to tell you not to do something which you already know to be wrong and anti-social.
And yes, you come across as an articualte young person, maybe you should get involved in youth work yourself? Be a positive role model to others?
ellemay
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10:36am Wed 28 Jan 09
i know what all you lot are saying is right that they should not of stolen a car, but the thing is can you ever say you have never done anything bad in your life?
if your family was going through this im sure you would stick up for them, you have no idea how much your comments are upsetting me and my family members, we know they did wrong you dont need to keep going on about it.
i didn't know jay and i dont know grant, but from what i hear they are very lovely boys and they are someones child. Larry is my cousin and im going to miss him.
we have as much right as anyone else to comment on this as anyone else, just because there is a facebook group to remember them by dont mean we wont comment on here.
you didnt know the boys so you cant judge what they were like, so please stop with the abuse and insults its upsettin the family members
thank you
i hope the old man and grant recover well.
RIP larry and jay
we all love you and will miss you dearly
love ya cuz elle xxxxx
somebodystolemyusername
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10:49am Wed 28 Jan 09
Melgirl
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11:53am Wed 28 Jan 09
somebodystolemyusernI agree that everyone is entitled to their opinion but surely you understand that the family, MY FAMILY, are going to be upset at the comments about Larry and his friends being scum. That is truely uncalled for.
ame wrote:
ellemay, if you don't want to see the comments don't look. This is a news site. People will put on comments that not everybody will approve of. It happens on other stories and of course it is happening here. If you are likely to be offended maybe you should be restricting yourself to the Facebook page where hopefully you will only see comments posted by people who knew and loved these boys.
It is natural for the family to read the comments, the accident came as a total shock to all of us.
Again I see my cousins having to defend themselves and it really isn't on.
If you all feel so strongly about the incident, maybe the s**t stirrers should put their anger to good use and talk to youth groups about it, not upset the family and friends who have actually been affected by this event and are trying to make some sense of their loss.
Lauren Marshall..
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12:55pm Wed 28 Jan 09
you new how to have a laugh just look down on us and keep on smileing
R.I.P JAY... YOU WILL ALWAYS BE MISSED.
Lauren Marshall..
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1:04pm Wed 28 Jan 09
its just sad to say you and Jay have gone now and you cant come back
always in our hearts
You will always be missed..
Lauren Marshall..
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1:04pm Wed 28 Jan 09
its just sad to say you and Jay have gone now and you cant come back
always in our hearts
You will always be missed..
slips
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1:43pm Wed 28 Jan 09
it has happened and these boys are not coming back, and we need to hope that others will learn by this mistake. I am interested to know how terry is doing, we spent a lot of time with him and my fiance was helping keep his leg elevated as he was in so much pain. The police moved us along as the ambulance came and we have no idea how his progress is. I do wish grant a speedy recovery, does anyone know his injuries? From what I saw his leg was broken and his face showed a lot of pain. I would be gratful of any news as this night will never leave my thoughts it has made me very sad for all concerned and I just hope I never see anything like this again. It is a terrible shame and an unecessary loss.
porkpie
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2:17pm Wed 28 Jan 09
ozzy_aka_romeo wrote:Can someone put this into English ?
listen ye i dont even know any 1 that was in this crash ye but i am gettin **** at wot sum ppl can say about sum1 thats pasted away any wev a problem add me on msn ye & c wot happens coz u ppl make me seek how can u bad mouth a dead person man b real man be real i have dun nuff stuff that i regreat in life u know & i payed 4 them but not nearly as mutch a pain as this boyz get me & now coz of them steal a car ye u fink its ok 2 say this stuff about them nah man dat is wrong & god will not forgive any 1 that speaks bad world after sum1 has pasted on any 1 wev any fin say add me sanselozimdik@hotmai l.com & we talk & i am sorry 4 loss of thoze pll in this crash r.i.p. sum day i will join u boyz in heaven as we all will coz this how life is & will all know it my time will **** soon peac
I HAVE BEEN THE VICTIM OF JOYRIDERS.
I have had my car stolen & been hit by a stolen car so.......
To the people that keep saying it was an accident......
How was it an accident ?????
So what you are saying is they didn't mean to fall into the car & hot wired it ( Which takes some knowledge ) Drive at 60mph on the wrong side of the road and plough into a man working to look after his family, & at 61 with a broken hip is going to have to have future operation and wait at least 7 years for any compensation,
Only these OXYGEN THIEVES didn't have any insurance to drive a car that didn't belong to them.
So how is their victim going to pay his bills when he gets out of hospital and recovers before returning to work. Thats if he can face getting behind the wheel again. Yeah some accident isn't it !
So they didn't intend to hurt anyone .....That's ok then is it. It's this sort of soft approach that is breaking this country down. We need to get tough on the basics. When their mate gets his first car see how he feels when someone nicks it and smashes it up.
More of this and the gene pool will just get stronger - It's just a shame good people get caught up in it
JerseyMaypole
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3:11pm Wed 28 Jan 09
A distinct class cause this sort of heartbreak, there is even a well known name for them these days. The class are incredibly distinct on message boards such as these as they have poor communication skills.
They are breeding faster than the more discerning among us.
They produce offspring in the hope of filling gaps in their lives created by their own apathetic parents and when that doesn't work –
they become apathetic themselves.
And so, the cycle repeats itself, growing hugely; faster than as I say, the more discerning among us who were truly nurtured and not birthed as a commodity.
What ever became of giving your children goals to strive for and spending time with them purely because their happiness is your happiness.
katy13
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3:14pm Wed 28 Jan 09
Miss You So Much i Cant Belive This Has Happen To You.
RIP Jayy, Larry, And Grant Miss Youu All.
LOVEyouuu xxx
katy13
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3:14pm Wed 28 Jan 09
Miss You So Much i Cant Belive This Has Happen To You.
RIP Jayy, Larry, And Grant Miss Youu All.
LOVEyouuu xxx
JerseyMaypole
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3:32pm Wed 28 Jan 09
ellemay
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3:58pm Wed 28 Jan 09
you didnt know the boys so you can judge them
ellemay
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4:02pm Wed 28 Jan 09
Fran. Wade
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4:43pm Wed 28 Jan 09
If you dont like it dont read it love!
Like you have all said, Were on here to voice ouir oppinions and mine is your scum!
Your all slagging them off over a car, A cars a peice of mental that can be replaced! Not lifes!
Just think how upset you are because your cars been taken, Think how upset people are beacuse lifes have been taken!
Your all siting on here behine a computer trying to give parenting skills and advicee! You lifes must be that great that you have to sit and right negative comments!
Grow up!
ratboy
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4:55pm Wed 28 Jan 09
You totally miss the point, you don't bother reading the posts, nor engage in a resonable debate.
Silly, childish rants are not helpful in discussing a much larger issue here about the anti-social behaviour prevalent in our self obsessed society.
As several people said before this is a news website not an obituary.
somebodystolemyusername
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7:01pm Wed 28 Jan 09
I chose to have certain posts removed as they could be deemed offensive and when you sign up to enter posts on this site you agree not to post items that are offensive.
I'm certainly not offended by anything you or your mates decide to post. Believe me I've seen and heard far worse. I will however report any post that contains even implied swearing as there may be elderly people who visit this site who do not need to see the profanity used by some of the clever little boys who are supposed to be grieving.
Do you know what? If I was grieving the last thing I would do is turn on my PC.
Pete Beat
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7:18pm Wed 28 Jan 09
That is a shame.RIP
If you have a nice car and you work hard to keep a good standard of living beware there are people who have no morals or parents who care who will try to steal from you.
j1992
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7:30pm Wed 28 Jan 09
and i think alot of people who have logged onto their PCs are actually trying to contact their friends/family members who knew the boys to pay their respects and share happy memories they had of them. sometimes it is quite difficult to reach people by phone or to talk to them if you either don't have their phone number, or live too far away to pay your respects.
cpfcboy
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7:34pm Wed 28 Jan 09
It's not until people start acknowledging this awful incident was the result of crime that we'll actually make any progress. Unfortunately the whole area is rife with this kind of anti-social and criminal behaviour and I think people on here have a right to point out that this was not just a car crime - it involved an innocent victim as well who could have easily been killed. The we'd be talking about manslaughter.
Nothing can take away the grief people suffer in situations like this but we must also address the reasons.
cpfcboy
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7:55pm Wed 28 Jan 09
As I say, sensitivity in what we say is important, bearing in family may be reading. However, many people coming on to post messages of condolence aren't even acknowledging a serious crime took place and an innocent man was severely injured.
Personally, I think close friends and family would do well for future generations of children if they were to acknowledge publicly that this happened because of crime. All too often nowadays we coo and swoon over criminals and slackers - and if we didn't these kind of things wouldn't happen. We can all do our part to stop our children suffering the same horrific death by just being proactive in arguing against crime rather than grandstanding those who carry it out. As an example the amount of young teenage girls who go out with boys because they are 'hard' is staggering. I heard a lad shouting really awful racist abuse in Cotmandene a few days ago at an Indian guy. After the event his girlfriend went over and cuddled him and said well done babe. I mean the guy was bad, but the girl! Gah - what is the world coming to. Her encouragement just breeds guys like that.
I know this has nothing to do with the guys in question but it's an example of what we need to do to put things right and minimise the risk of it happening to our kids. In that situation in Cotmandede clearly the girl needed to not respond favourably to the racist attack. In this situation we all need to acknowledge that this was a result of crime.
Concerned12
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10:56pm Wed 28 Jan 09
If just one of the teenagers reading this is discouraged from doing something similar, then their loss will not have been completley in vain.
Fran. Wade
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10:15am Thu 29 Jan 09
You can all sit on here and " voice your oppions all you want, but do you really think its going to make a difference and stop people from doing crimes?
I hacent come on here for a debate either and neither has anyone that new jay and larry, Just to pay respect!
Its just shocking when you do come here and people are calling them scum, selfish what not, Beacuse thats defently not what they was!
RestInPeaceLarryAndJay
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10:20am Thu 29 Jan 09
AngelEyes89_orpington
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2:16pm Thu 29 Jan 09
My thoughts go out to everyone who knew them, including the boy still in hospital and the gentleman in the other car. I hope they recover soon.
I have just lost 2 people dear to me, my Father-in-law and my grandad, one in Oct and one a few weeks ago, no one is perfect and everyone has made mistakes in there lives, but if I heard ANYONE bad mouthing them about mistakes they had made I would be furious! I'm sure if the lads new it would result in this they would never had got in that car, but u can't change the past, what is done is done, and unfortunately, they will never have the chance to learn from their mistakes like the rest of us will, but hopefully we will all learn by their mistakes.
To both Jay and Larry's family, keep ur head up, let the nasty comments fly over your heads, they are a measeley minority compared to the clear number of people that love and will miss these two boys dearly.... My thoughts are with you all.... RIP x x x
AngelEyes89_orpington
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2:20pm Thu 29 Jan 09
SidcupMum wrote:I think this is a lovely comment and the boys should be remembered for the good they have done, not the mistake they made xxx
When my daughter saw the picture of Jay she said "Thats the boy that helped me". We live in Sidcup and when my daughter decided to venture out on her own for the first time she went to St Pauls Cray, it got dark and she got lost, Jay found her crying and asked if she was okay, she told him she was lost, he convinced her that it was okay to ring her mum and waited with her until i picked her up to make sure she was safe. I would like to say that I am very grateful for what Jay did. I didnt know him but will always remember him for the kindness he showed that day xxx
AngelEyes89_orpington
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2:28pm Thu 29 Jan 09
max never the min wrote:I am actually quite sickened by this comment who gives a s*** about a car and insurance premiums!
I sincerely hope the 61 yr old victim in the other car makes a speedy recovery and the parents of these boys make a substantial contribution to buying you a new car and paying all your insurance premiums. You are very lucky to be alive. I am sorry to say but I have not one bit of sympathy for the boys, they knew what the consequences could be stealing a car and letting a moron with no driving skills drive. Oh forgot what about contributing to the poor person whose car they stole and now has to get a bus everywhere!!!
Making comments about the parents making contributions is just wrong!!
You have no respect for anyones feeling and I think newsshopper are wrong for letting them appear.
You are quite disturbed aren't you???
How low can you get, let their parent have some respect and stop this horrific joke making!!! I have never heard someone with as little compassion as you in my life... like I said before, keep you opinions to yourself, they aint wanted
hollydolly
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2:51pm Thu 29 Jan 09
I can just imagine them sitting there all day by the computer with nothing better to do then slander two boys that are dead. You obviously didn't know them. Why don't you put yourselves in jay and larry's parents shoes. As i said rich snobs think they are better then every one else. Brought up by some posh twats went to grammar school. What jay,larry & grant did was wrong but they payed for it. and you have the cheek to say what is the world coming to, well people like you (scumdertaker) aint making it any better. Sad old men sitting bullying little kids and people that are grieving for the two boys that died. As i said what they did was wrong but don't you think they have paid the biggest price that they could. so why don't you grow up and have some respect for them and there families. I am also sorry for the family of the cab driver i hope you have a full and sucessful recovery. And the man thats car was stolen i am very sorry for you too, but just please put your selves in the shoes of there parents. Congratulations grant i am PLEASED to hear that you are going to be okay. R.I.P larry Hall & R.I.P Jay Barry. You were very special. And will be missed by LOT'S of DECENT people.
AngelEyes89_orpington
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3:02pm Thu 29 Jan 09
hollydolly wrote:Well said!! I agree with you hollydolly! I bet if there was a way on this thing to find out who the people really are they wouldn't be syaing them horrible things! They are lucky as well, coz I bet there are a few people that would love to no who they are!!
Typical Rich Snobs! I can just imagine them sitting there all day by the computer with nothing better to do then slander two boys that are dead. You obviously didn't know them. Why don't you put yourselves in jay and larry's parents shoes. As i said rich snobs think they are better then every one else. Brought up by some posh twats went to grammar school. What jay,larry & grant did was wrong but they payed for it. and you have the cheek to say what is the world coming to, well people like you (scumdertaker) aint making it any better. Sad old men sitting bullying little kids and people that are grieving for the two boys that died. As i said what they did was wrong but don't you think they have paid the biggest price that they could. so why don't you grow up and have some respect for them and there families. I am also sorry for the family of the cab driver i hope you have a full and sucessful recovery. And the man thats car was stolen i am very sorry for you too, but just please put your selves in the shoes of there parents. Congratulations grant i am PLEASED to hear that you are going to be okay. R.I.P larry Hall & R.I.P Jay Barry. You were very special. And will be missed by LOT'S of DECENT people.
I think we should all stick to the point....
RIP boys, you will be sadly missed by lots of people x x x
hollydolly
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3:06pm Thu 29 Jan 09
wake up this is the 21st century car crashes happen every day dosen't meen that the person intended to hurt any one.
Once again r.i.p larry & Jay - YOU WAS SPECIAL . NO MATTER WHAT ANY OTHER POSH 'SCUMMY' PEOPLE say. There time will come don't worry about that. Hope that the cab driver makes a full recovery and once again CONGRATULATIONS grant i'm so pleased you are going to be okay!
hollydolly
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4:00pm Thu 29 Jan 09
my comments are aimed at the nasty people that are being so insensitive to all the people that are grieving for the boys or the families loss. i am also very sorry to any elderly, decent, respectable people that take any offence to my comments. As i am only aiming my comments towards the heartless people. Sorry Again! x
ifoughtthelaw
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5:11pm Thu 29 Jan 09
oh and someone left a roadside card saying : “Can’t believe you’re gone. My fellow Pimp. R.I.P. Jay xx Brendan x.”
Are you kidding me with this? What is wrong with these people?!
cpfcboy
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5:29pm Thu 29 Jan 09
But regardless of if we're here to leave messages of condolence or here to talk about the wider issues we all need to keep our comments at a decent level don't you think.
Chortle
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5:31pm Thu 29 Jan 09
Arronax
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5:39pm Thu 29 Jan 09
hollydolly
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5:45pm Thu 29 Jan 09
slips wrote:Grant also had a broken neck and a broken back. They thought that he would be paralysed but thankfully they done some operations on him and he will be fine. Thank-you for helping them i know whatever happens grant will never forget the kindness you and your family showed to him. And terry too.
I was one of the people who stopped and helped the injured on the night of the accident. I have never seen such a horrific and devestating site in all my life. I stayed with both grant and Terry until the ambulance arrived. My Fiance and his mother helped move the injured when we believed the second car was going to explode. At the time I never knew that the car was stolen and grant Kept saying that no one else was in the car and that he was driving, we now know different!! I can understand peoples frustration and anger towards the boys and after knowing what I now know and seeing the pain that Terry was in I can sympathise, however, it has happened and these boys are not coming back, and we need to hope that others will learn by this mistake. I am interested to know how terry is doing, we spent a lot of time with him and my fiance was helping keep his leg elevated as he was in so much pain. The police moved us along as the ambulance came and we have no idea how his progress is. I do wish grant a speedy recovery, does anyone know his injuries? From what I saw his leg was broken and his face showed a lot of pain. I would be gratful of any news as this night will never leave my thoughts it has made me very sad for all concerned and I just hope I never see anything like this again. It is a terrible shame and an unecessary loss.
Puff Daddy
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5:47pm Thu 29 Jan 09
Arronax wrote:No we should all plant more Chavs.
Articles like this make me want to plant more tree's
ifoughtthelaw
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5:55pm Thu 29 Jan 09
Puff Daddy wrote:i think the chavs are breeding well enough without any more help from us. have you seen how many cousins this kid had? they're like rabbits! pity i'm the one paying for the SMA and Pampers...
Arronax wrote: Articles like this make me want to plant more tree'sNo we should all plant more Chavs.
cpfcboy
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6:19pm Thu 29 Jan 09
I had a poor upbringing on an estate in south London. But I left school at 16 and worked ever since. I've never hit anyone, never been racist, homophobic, never stolen anything or broken into anywhere. People who do these things do them as a lifestyle choice. We all start from the same place in life and we can all determine what future we have.
ifoughtthelaw
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6:21pm Thu 29 Jan 09
cpfcboy wrote:I agree with you - I'm fed up with these louts and their layabout parents saying "oh theres nothing for the kids, its the schools bla bla". It's a way of passing the buck so they don't have to do anything to improve their own situation.
We can't gloss over the fact that a serious crime was committed and an innocent person was injured. I had a poor upbringing on an estate in south London. But I left school at 16 and worked ever since. I've never hit anyone, never been racist, homophobic, never stolen anything or broken into anywhere. People who do these things do them as a lifestyle choice. We all start from the same place in life and we can all determine what future we have.
leander
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6:25pm Thu 29 Jan 09
ifoughtthelaw wrote:yes loads. loads of us and we all have jobs, good jobs. I am unaware you are paying for sma and pampers AS WE ARE ALL OVER 20 AND NO LONGER USE SUCH ITEMS.how weird you pay for us? . But thanku how kind !!! in a pervert kind of way.
Puff Daddy wrote:i think the chavs are breeding well enough without any more help from us. have you seen how many cousins this kid had? they're like rabbits! pity i'm the one paying for the SMA and Pampers...Arronax wrote: Articles like this make me want to plant more tree'sNo we should all plant more Chavs.
ifoughtthelaw
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6:35pm Thu 29 Jan 09
leander wrote:my question is, you've all been bereaved so why are you all on here getting uptight and arsey at people who are just saying what everyone is thinking?
ifoughtthelaw wrote:yes loads. loads of us and we all have jobs, good jobs. I am unaware you are paying for sma and pampers AS WE ARE ALL OVER 20 AND NO LONGER USE SUCH ITEMS.how weird you pay for us? . But thanku how kind !!! in a pervert kind of way.Puff Daddy wrote:i think the chavs are breeding well enough without any more help from us. have you seen how many cousins this kid had? they're like rabbits! pity i'm the one paying for the SMA and Pampers...Arronax wrote: Articles like this make me want to plant more tree'sNo we should all plant more Chavs.
leander
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6:59pm Thu 29 Jan 09
maria25
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7:05pm Thu 29 Jan 09
ifoughtthelaw
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7:11pm Thu 29 Jan 09
cpfcboy
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7:29pm Thu 29 Jan 09
ifoughtthelaw wrote:I agree.
cpfcboy wrote:I agree with you - I'm fed up with these louts and their layabout parents saying "oh theres nothing for the kids, its the schools bla bla". It's a way of passing the buck so they don't have to do anything to improve their own situation.
We can't gloss over the fact that a serious crime was committed and an innocent person was injured. I had a poor upbringing on an estate in south London. But I left school at 16 and worked ever since. I've never hit anyone, never been racist, homophobic, never stolen anything or broken into anywhere. People who do these things do them as a lifestyle choice. We all start from the same place in life and we can all determine what future we have.
I do feel sorry that some people have lost loved ones, but I'm also getting quite frustrated at the amount of people leaving their condolences who can't seem to understand that other people who weren't close to the lads will want to comment about the wider issues, and many of them will be sick and tired of anti-social, lawless behaviour which was the very nub of this news article.
cpfcboy
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7:36pm Thu 29 Jan 09
i'm on here because i knew a load of stupid little kids would be leaving The problem is we live in a strange country. Those who choose to perpetrate crime and behave appallingly are often grandstanded as heroes or decent people, whereas anyone who is in any way critical of lawlessness is labelled nasty or sick. It's very strange but in a nutshell probably explains the dire state the country is in.
cpfcboy
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7:38pm Thu 29 Jan 09
ifoughtthelaw
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7:54pm Thu 29 Jan 09
cpfcboy wrote:You should run for parliament - you speak the truth!
The problem is we live in a strange country. Those who choose to perpetrate crime and behave appallingly are often grandstanded as heroes or decent people, whereas anyone who is in any way critical of lawlessness is labelled nasty or sick. It's very strange but in a nutshell probably explains the dire state the country is in.
cpfcboy
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8:06pm Thu 29 Jan 09
Puff Daddy
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8:12pm Thu 29 Jan 09
leander, london , Looser like ya mates.
catthehat
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8:33pm Thu 29 Jan 09
I am so sad that two young boys (not men yet) will never have the chance to learn from their mistake, as so many others have; I am so sad, as a mother who has lost a child, that two families will be living in the pit of grief which follows a child's death. It isn't necessary for spiteful people to spell out the wrong of what those boys did - the young people have acknowledged this and it is obvious enough. Their crime will not be the total measure of their lives, however, as the 'tasteless and tacky' (your words, not mine) roadside memorial shows; these boys were known and loved and I found the candles and children there each night very moving. I hope that will be a comfort to their parents, families and friends. Those who have sat in judgement on this blog do not know them and will not be the reflection of their worth.
I hope that the taxi-driver - a victim who has shown much more love and humanity than the moralising, spiteful finger-waggers on this site - makes a speedy recovery. I hope that the other passenger Grant makes a full recovery, appreciates his second chance and lives his life well and to the full, in his friends' memory. I also sincerely hope that a tiny bit of understanding can creep into the closed minds of those who have sat as judge and jury so harshly on a 16 and 18 yr old and their families.
I am Kate Martin, a mother of 4 from St. Paul's Cray, which in some people's eyes makes me a chav breeding, apathetic rabbit, sponging off the state; how unimaginative some people can be!
Gypo
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9:02pm Thu 29 Jan 09
No symapthy from me sorry but NONE.
At least we could read your sensible comment unlike the Chavs who post crap on here.
cpfcboy
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9:07pm Thu 29 Jan 09
Thank you.
I'm in the awkward position (and I don't normally sit on the fence) of agreeing that, whilst everyone is entitled to an opinion and this IS a forum for everyone - not just a book of condolence; freedom of speech has to be accompanied by a personal responsibility not be be purposely hurtful of inflaming. This can prove difficult because no matter how hard we try not to offend - 'being offended' is so easy to trigger nowadays. That said, lots of the comments (not mine) on here today are clearly and purposely offensive and ill-thought-out under the circumstances, I agree.
On the other hand, someone from the Newshopper has already clarified that whilst they will delete comments which breech fundamental rules - this isn't a forum specifically for those who have lost loved ones. therefore, if they are likely to be upset by comments generated by this story on the wider issues then they shouldn't read. As I say, that was a member of the paper's team who said that following complaints about the direction this thread was heading.
As I say, I do agree with most of what you've said. However, I don't think it's in our children's best interests to ignore the fact that this tragedy was the result of crime and people shouldn't feel afraid to mention that.
cpfcboy
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9:12pm Thu 29 Jan 09
ifoughtthelaw
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9:31pm Thu 29 Jan 09
cpfcboy wrote:I agree - calling them 'kids' takes away the degree of responsibility they had over their actions. It was their choice to take that car, it was their choice to drive it irresponsibly. Of course no one deserves to die for this, most definately not. However, I think the anger many people feel is that the articles in the local papers (The Bromley Times being the main culprit) have focused primarily on the fact these 'boys' lost their lives. There is no reference to their actions or the innocent people involved.
Kate, I forgot to say, there is one thing I disagree on. I don't think it's necessarily constructive to keep calling them kids or children. It kind of puts across a subtle extra message that tries to minimise the severity of what they did. The fact remains they were adults - certainly an 18 year is and even at 17 he could have been a a father himself.
catthehat
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9:33pm Thu 29 Jan 09
cpfcboy
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9:49pm Thu 29 Jan 09
You say things like "whether in language that older people approved of or not" which clearly sends a very dangerous message that it's Ok to text speak your way through life and anyone who disagrees is simply old and fuddy duddy.
What would serve young people far better would be if you were to denounce people who can't even be bothered to construct proper sentences in proper English. That would be in their best interest.
Of course nobody expects perfect grammatical masterpieces on an internet forum, but even though it'll make you the coolest older person on the board - it doesn't really help to vilify those who are critical of text talk in forums like these.
catthehat
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9:54pm Thu 29 Jan 09
Gypo
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9:56pm Thu 29 Jan 09
catthehat
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10:00pm Thu 29 Jan 09
ifoughtthelaw
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10:02pm Thu 29 Jan 09
catthehat wrote:(Sorry Cat you're stepping into a field I have done most of my Masters research on now!) The notion of male and female brains developing at different rates has never been conclusively proved and is more a result of social-construction. A way of explaining away some of the negative aspects of male behaviour, it is not an adequate explanation for this behaviour. No one has called these boys 'evil' either as that is not the case, they did not set out to kill or harm anyone - they were just socially very irresponsible. I also do not agree with your 'we've all done things' argument because its assuming that all youngsters are not socially responsible and are selfish. This is wrong. The majority of young people are aware of their political, envrionmental and social impact on their community. I think this whole sorry affair highlights how the driving age needs to be raised to 21 and how social responsibility needs to be highlighted more by parents and schools.
As far as calling them 'boys' is concerned (I didn't call them kids), young men's brains do not fully develop a sense of conscience and social responsibility until they reach the age of 25. That does not detract from the fact that these BOYS will have been taught right from wrong by their parents, families and teachers and would have known that what they were doing was illegal. They have been painted as evil, however, and I think if many people were honest, and didn't rewrite their own history, they might admit that they did things which overstepped the limits, things they are not proud of at that age; they were lucky enough to survive and learn, however. Anyone who knows teenagers, knows that many of the selfish things they do are not done with malice, and they have little conception or thought of the possible consequences. 18 yrs old makes you LEGALLY an adult, but anyone who nurtures their youngster through these years, knows they are a long way from being mature adults. When you teach a child to walk, talk or anything else, you don't condemn them to hell when they do something wrong. Centuries of severe sentences have not wiped out crime, so something different needs to be tried.
catthehat
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10:06pm Thu 29 Jan 09
cpfcboy
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10:13pm Thu 29 Jan 09
Furthermore, whilst your point about young people not fully developing a sense of conscience and social responsibility until they reach the age of 25 is interesting - I'm not sure it's entirely correct.
Long before I was born, guys left school at 14 with a complete education and often went on to work until they retired. What changed between now and then that all of a sudden, according to you, young people aren't even capable of being socially responsible until they are half way through their 20s - other than the the fact that we live in more liberal times which clearly hasn't helped anyone.
Gypo
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10:15pm Thu 29 Jan 09
Stop burying your head in the sand.
catthehat
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10:26pm Thu 29 Jan 09
ifoughtthelaw
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10:32pm Thu 29 Jan 09
catthehat wrote:Shame on me! I've worked bloody hard to get to where I am, so excuse me if I don't have sympathy for kid's that have all these wonderful opportunities available to them and refuse to take them. I work with students who have come from all over the world, war torn countries, orphans, who have a tenuous grasp of the English Language and no qualifications. And most of them are now at university. Many of them cannot believe the opportunities we have here which makes it more abhorrent to me that so many young people who get labelled "hoodies" or "yobs" do NOTHING to escape that self-fulfilling prophecy.
I never mentioned female brains, but as I said, anyone who knows teenagers would struggle to disagree. I did not try to explain their behaviour, just tried to explain my condemnation of those who say they deserved what they got and had no sympathy whatsoever. How can they not? You are mistaken that I argued 'we've all done things' at all, but I know many very successful, happy and responsible people who sailed close to the wind when they were teenagers. I think very highly of our teenagers - almost all I know are lovely, inspiring, exciting and charming people - not always completely considerate or appreciative of the outcome of their behaviour. You, however, have described them as stupid little idiots and louts, they children of layabout parents. You don't know these boys/men whatever it pleases you to call them, and you don't know their families. Shame on you with an MA!
cpfcboy
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10:51pm Thu 29 Jan 09
You surprise me because you come across as intelligent but you seem to want to grandstand underachievers and slackers and don''t want to praise those hard working swots who overcome adversity to achieve in life and and act responsibly at a young age.
I know plenty of young people who'd be horrified that you lump them all in the same bracket of being so irresponsible and lacking a sense of conscience.
catthehat
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10:51pm Thu 29 Jan 09
cpfcboy wrote:Great point! Maybe we should bring back hanging and build more prisons because that's working isn't it? I've never been able to resist arguing with narrow mindedness. Yeah life IS hard, so it wouldn't do anyone any harm to try thinking laterally in order to make it a little less hard for people grieving for their lost son, which really is the most relevant point. Your facile comments, harking back to the 'good old days' when boys left school at 14 and worked in jobs they hated for 60 yrs if they were lucky and there was no crime (yeah, right) are helping noone either. And I'd rather live in this world than that one. I tried to stand up to the the patronising 'know-betters', but I know life is short and I'm off to live it and bring up my children well, even though we live in St Paul's Cray. MY THOUGHTS ARE STILL WITH THE FAMILIES OF JAY AND LARRY, AND I WISH TERRY AND GRANT A SPEEDY RECOVERY.
Kate, there is a school of thought that societies ills are because we no longer deal with things severely enough, and people who always find excuses for anti-social and criminal behaviour aren't helping our growing generations at all. Furthermore, whilst your point about young people not fully developing a sense of conscience and social responsibility until they reach the age of 25 is interesting - I'm not sure it's entirely correct. Long before I was born, guys left school at 14 with a complete education and often went on to work until they retired. What changed between now and then that all of a sudden, according to you, young people aren't even capable of being socially responsible until they are half way through their 20s - other than the the fact that we live in more liberal times which clearly hasn't helped anyone.
Martind
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11:03pm Thu 29 Jan 09
co.uk to advise on what Jay said so I can pass onto his family. Please no time wasters, I am not interested in discussing anyones comments on why they are believe they are so perfect and these kids were bad. I will let you answer to your own conscience....Topaz.
v please please contact me
Melgirl
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11:12pm Thu 29 Jan 09
cpfcboy wrote:fredbassit's post to which Leander was refering did not seem to me to be an 'opposing arguement' it was abusive and hurtful to the family and friends of 2 boys who made a mistake and paid with their lifes.
Leander, with the greatest of respect, it's not surprising people are forced to hide behind the anonymity of internet forums to make points like fredbassit did. The problem is, rather than construct opposing arguments, those who support and champion lawlessness resort to violence and threats when they are faced with things they don't like or don't agree with.
I think this is really the time for all the abuse to stop.
I have reported fredbassit's post but I doubt it will be deleted as it is heartless comments like his that will keep people coming back to this sad excuse for a news website.
Like Leander said, Larry's friends and family originally came on here to read the comments of support, now we come on here to see just how low some people will stoop to upset people from behind their computer screens.
I didn't realise people were so bitter and I feel sorry for them that something has happended to them to make them think it is OK to abuse people they do not know behind the disguise of 'having an opinion'.
This is my last word on this forum. I could never have imagined that there were so many nasty, small-minded, evil, hard hearted people in such a small place and actually, I am truely gutted at what I have read over the past 4 days.
AngelEyes89_orpington
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9:32am Fri 30 Jan 09
This forum was doing fine until some t**t piped up and started slating and taking away peoples right to greive for their loved ones.....
You have no right, make ur own forum if you wanna sit on ur high horse and start judging....
I just hope u never have to go through what these 4 families have....
Just remember, the boys may be gone, but it's the people that are left behind that need support, the last thing they need is to be judged and terrorised.....
Don't you think they have suffered enough?????
TruthIsBitter
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9:49am Fri 30 Jan 09
cpfcboy
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9:57am Fri 30 Jan 09
Melgirl, I certainly agree that everyone - whether they are here to leave messages of condolence or talk about the wider issues - should be considerate when leaving messages and never be abusive. That's a fundamental rule of joining forums like this and I don't think anyone can complain if they are offensive and their messages are subsequently deleted or their accounts barred.
But to try and answer why people are so 'bitter' as you put it: maybe it's the fact that many of us live in areas where persistent crime spoils our lives on a daily basis, and it's creating a society we feel ashamed to hand over to our children and future generations.
Of course crime and anti-social behaviour aren't new things, however - what has changed nowadays is that yobbism, street gangs, drunkenness, casual violence, theft and car crime are so often perceived as no big deal and part of growing up. I think that's the frustrating thing and probably explains why people do get worked up on forums like this. Of course that doesn't excuse deliberate offensiveness and the News Shopper does delete messages it feels are in breech of the rules.
It's absolutely harrowing when young people die in these tragic circumstances and my heart goes out to those in mourning - left behind to pick up the pieces. Whilst mulling over the happy memories of these young men, they may also consider the fact that their sad deaths were as a result of the kind of anti-social, criminal behaviour many of us do our best to fight. The very best we can all do now - for the sake of all our children and up and coming generations - is to continue to fight it and condemn it at every opportunity. That's all most people are doing on here - sometimes using language that isn't really appropriate, I agree; but the bottom line is they are saying it to be kind, not cruel.
ricksrants
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10:18am Fri 30 Jan 09
They stole a car, no doubt they were speeding.
The only saving grace is that they did not kill an innocent party by their selfish criminal activities.
Good riddance 2 less criminals to be supported by the state.
ellemay
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10:39am Fri 30 Jan 09
cpfcboy
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10:50am Fri 30 Jan 09
ricksrants
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10:57am Fri 30 Jan 09
If they had crashed into someone you loved and killed them would you still be sympathetic?
I see we now have a shrine built in the woods to these 2 scum bags, no doubt they will be made saints in a few weeks.
ellemay
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11:10am Fri 30 Jan 09
ricksrants
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11:21am Fri 30 Jan 09
Perhaps if they had been raised properly and taught respect for other peoples property then they would still be alive now and not causing so much grief.
ellemay
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11:25am Fri 30 Jan 09
dont be so cruel about my family!
you people need to get a life and stop judging other when you dont even know them. they did a bad thing they were young if they were still alive they would of learned by there mistakes.
cpfcboy
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11:29am Fri 30 Jan 09
I mean people just don't uncharacteristically go out and steal cars.
Of course being killed is a really high price to pay and I wouldn't wish that on anyone. But at the very least - things like this should get us all to examine our parenting skills.
ellemay
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11:32am Fri 30 Jan 09
Marty1979
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11:33am Fri 30 Jan 09
cpfcboy
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11:37am Fri 30 Jan 09
ellemay
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11:43am Fri 30 Jan 09
i mean this is just going round and around, go out and do something about whats happened instead of going on about the wrong they have done
ricksrants
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11:48am Fri 30 Jan 09
To say "they were young" is not an excuse, the driver was 18, therefore he was an adult. Age is not an excuse.
Any real sympathy should go to the innocent driver of the other car.
I have no doubt we shall now have weeks of disruption as 'mourners' and ghouls stop to visit the impromptu shrine to crime and stupidty grows in the woods.
ellemay
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11:53am Fri 30 Jan 09
but people are going to far they have now joined the facebook groups made for larry and jay and put pictures up of two people who have been blown up, i mean some people are going to far.
i know the driver was only 18 but none of us yet know the full story of who stole the car and which of them new it was stolen, my family are still trying to find anwsers.
so what if people want to g to the site where they have died, every1 deserves to be loved and mourned for dont you think?
cpfcboy
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12:10pm Fri 30 Jan 09
ellemay
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12:12pm Fri 30 Jan 09
cpfcboy
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12:27pm Fri 30 Jan 09
I respect what you have to say and you've put the case across very well.
ellemay
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12:33pm Fri 30 Jan 09
my parents were fed up with living in fear that something would happen to there kids or them selfs that they had to move away. i know alot of people dont want to do that, someone should tackle the problem that has been around along time.
i know i shouldent take it to heart but its hard he was little cousin and he has been in alot of peoples lifes for a long time. i just feel people should not go so far as to do that.
cpfcboy
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12:46pm Fri 30 Jan 09
Snap! I was raised in New Cross. My parents moved us to Orpington for a 'better life' LOL. I'm 28 now and do often feel New Cross was nicer.
ellemay
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12:54pm Fri 30 Jan 09
this world is too full of hate people wont learn, guess you gotta hope for the best.
I_feel_let_down
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1:29pm Fri 30 Jan 09
I_feel_let_down
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1:39pm Fri 30 Jan 09
I hope you make a speedy recovery and are able to get your life back on track soon.
cpfcboy
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1:53pm Fri 30 Jan 09
There is so much for young people to do and if they choose crime it's no one else's fault.
Many young people take advantage of free travel and go to London for example: all across our city there are free or very cheap events for young people all the time in music and arts and entertainment.
On the other hand some young people choose a more degenerate lifestyle. They don't get on a bus to go to the station to visit our capital city: they get on a bus as their nights entertainment and in the process just annoy all the other passengers. Alternatively they'll pop to Carlton Parade and stand outside Morelyes all night. These are lifestyle choices - not things they are forced to do. And,as I say, the majority of people find it pretty degenerate.
I don't think the world is necessarily full of hate, but lots of individuals are.
I was dragged up in a grotty and really hard part of south London but I'm not a criminal, I'm not racist, I'm not homophobic, I don't hit people, I don't steal things, I'm not anti-social, I have a job, I go on holidays and see the world and different cultures etc. If I can do it - everyone can, because at the end of the day we all started out the same and we make of our lives what we want to make out of them - and for some they choose crime.
ellemay
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2:20pm Fri 30 Jan 09
i mean i wanna do something with my life i wanna go travelling and work in the media and help others.
ricksrants
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2:24pm Fri 30 Jan 09
The problem is that everyone wants to blame someone else nowadays, school, environment, council. When we are all our own masters and are responsible for our own lives or death.
To class this as an 'accident' is also incorrect. An accident cannot be prevented, such as a plate falling off a wall. Stealing cars and joy riding can be prevented therefore this is not an accident, the crash was caused by driver error/
Why I would not like to say, speeding, inattention, alcohol, ice on the road etc. But ultimately driver error.
cpfcboy
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2:56pm Fri 30 Jan 09
Whatever background we come from we do have the power to change direction and I wish you all the best with your life.
sheeba13
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7:24pm Fri 30 Jan 09
sheeba13
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7:24pm Fri 30 Jan 09
sheeba13
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7:24pm Fri 30 Jan 09
Orp Watcher
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8:24pm Fri 30 Jan 09
They had a choice about what they did. The innocent victims of this incident were given no such choice by them. I have some sympathy for their families but none at all for them.
The best that can come out of it is that others learn from their stupidity and selfishness.
bald_old_git
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8:42pm Fri 30 Jan 09
Gooner1976
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9:56am Sat 31 Jan 09
Disgusted2
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12:27pm Sat 31 Jan 09
3:11pm Wed 28 Jan 09
The public at large are FED UP.
A distinct class cause this sort of heartbreak, there is even a well known name for them these days. The class are incredibly distinct on message boards such as these as they have poor communication skills.
They are breeding faster than the more discerning among us.
They produce offspring in the hope of filling gaps in their lives created by their own apathetic parents and when that doesn't work –
they become apathetic themselves.
And so, the cycle repeats itself, growing hugely; faster than as I say, the more discerning among us who were truly nurtured and not birthed as a commodity.
What ever became of giving your children goals to strive for and spending time with them purely because their happiness is your happiness.
Spot-on! It's a shame that these two eclipsed the stories in the News Shopper about George Small and Josh Callaghan who were obviously decent people, not criminals. I hope the taxi driver makes a full recovery as soon as possible.
mini-man
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4:05pm Sat 31 Jan 09
Alicia_g
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4:57pm Sun 1 Feb 09
ricksrants wrote:Rick, firstly are your comments not only wrong but to be laughed at. I’d like to quote what you said. "Raised properly and taught respect for other people’s property” if YOU was "raised" properly maybe you wouldn’t be commenting on two young boys whose lives were lost? And also to "respect" is what you also added in your little rant. if you had any respect yourself, maybe you wouldn’t be putting your little small minded heartless comments on this website which to be honest id LOVEEEEE to see you say that in front of the poor families of these boys. it makes me sick how some people are banging on about how these two boys are 2 scum bags off the street but if anyone was the scum bag here it would be you. I’d also like to ask a question.. Do you have kids yourself? Because god forbid if you **** do! Would you have the same opinion if that was your child? “They stole a car and died but they deserved it??” I HIGHLY doubt it. They did steal a car but they didn’t deserve what happened not even the taxi driver but they paid with their lives. So show some respect of these two young lives lost as it was an accident. They didn’t intend to kill themselves or their friends. Come on now cut the bullshit and stop staying stuff that you have no right to. so please, your just a small minded little man who from what ive read is the biggest hypocrite and **** around.. So yeah, do you and everyone a favor... just shhhhh now yeah? Or **** off because your words mean nothing behind a computer... . But you are right at one thing.. Everyone has their right to an opinion. However, if you have that much of an opinion.. Tell it to these families who have lost their sons let’s see how valued your "opinion" is then!!
The roads are a little safer now with these 2 gone. Perhaps if they had been raised properly and taught respect for other peoples property then they would still be alive now and not causing so much grief.
Gooner1976
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12:50pm Mon 2 Feb 09
Pete Beat
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7:37pm Mon 2 Feb 09
you said it all,
noseybugger
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11:04pm Mon 2 Feb 09
DEB22
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1:27am Tue 3 Feb 09
Gooner1976
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11:50am Tue 3 Feb 09
tonystanley
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5:29pm Tue 3 Feb 09
And For People That Are Disrespectful Might Aswell Not Even Bothering To Comment. Cuz Ok They Dun Wrong But No1 Deserves To Die x
charlottebabe
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9:56pm Tue 3 Feb 09
puss in boots wrote:YOUR SO **** HEARTLESS THATS JUST PURE NASTINESS HOW COULD YOU RIGHT THAT JUST THINK OF THE MOTHERS AND THE FAMILY OF THESE 3 BOYS. SO YOU GO NOTHING BLOODY NICE TO SAY DONT NOTHING ALL. IT WAS JUST A BIG MISAKE AND THE LAST THING WE NEED IS SAD HORRIBLE PEOPLE LIKE YOU SAYING THINGS LIKE THAT. WHEN I READ YOUR COMMENT I CRYED , SO JUST THINK HOW THE FAMILY WOULD FEEL . I KNOW THE CAB DRIVER TERRY , THE TEENAGERS LARRY AND GRANT AND I KNEW WHO JAY WAS BUT WE NEVER SPOKE . ALL 4 OF THEM DESEVRED NONE OF THIS OR YOUR SILLY LITTLE NASTY COMMENTS. R.I.P LARRY AND JAY . GET WELL SOON GRANT AND TERRY XXXXXX
so, 2 people died, 2 people injured and one poor sod is now without a car, all through stupidity. oh well they not the 1st and they wont be the last.
Marty1979
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10:13pm Tue 3 Feb 09
"None of them deserved this". Well what did they deserve? Presumably if they hadn't died the praise from their friends for stealing a car.
kelsea
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10:47pm Tue 3 Feb 09
rest in peace baby sammy xxx
DEB22
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11:44pm Tue 3 Feb 09
Gooner1976 wrote:Gooner, i would jst like to point out i have never and will never think that what these boys did was right and i take your point that there are a lot of innocent people who suffer because of the actions of others, my point was that some of the comments were aimed directly at the families of these boys, ie in so many words, they are proberly out of work social scrounging scum,and just because they have a big family that are leaving comments thats bad as well, i dont understand people that get so personal,it was'nt the families that drove that car but it seems that they are getting attacked because of it, as i said you teach your kids right from wrong and hope thay live by it but who knows what they get up to when they are out,think of a kid that you believe to be nice polite and well behaved do you know what they get up to when they are not in your sight, no you dont, so why do people make judgements on these families, ialso do think people should speak their minds but some of the comment towards these families are wrong and i stand by that, i would also like to know what i wrote that would distress any innocent victims families as this was not intended, im speaking up for the families of these boys not the boy's.
Deb we live in a democracy and everyone is entitled to their own opinion. You may not agree with what they have to say but many don't agree with you either. The more sensible people who have left messages have never said the boys deserved to die! What angers people is reading messages justifying it all and palming it off as a minor mistake. FACT hundreds of innocent people are killed every year on our roads by dangerous driving, do you think it's ok to upset their relatives? Believe me it causes them distress, when some idiot claims stealing a car and driving at 60mph on the wrong side of the road,is a mistake or an accident! I doubt very much any of the people responsible for these deaths set out with the intention of hurting others! and i doubt they were really nasty people. However they wreck innocent peoples lives! In this particular case the boys paid with their lives for their own stupidity! A very very harsh sentence but ulimately one that no one else but themselves are responsible for. The other driver didn't have a choice, like all the other innocent victims claimed every year. This a news paper commenting service which entitles EVERY opinion, not a rememberence book or a tribute site. The reason so many people have left not so nice messages, is everyday they open the paper, or listen to the news, they are met with tales of lives taken or ruined as a result of incidents like this one! Understandably they are outraged and have had enough! If you don't like people speaking their mind then i would suggest a newspaper commenting service really isn't the sort of thing you should be usung! As i stated earlier comments like yours could distress families of innocent people, who lost their lives as a result of incidents like this!!!!
localperson
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5:03pm Thu 5 Feb 09
Rich... RIP Larry n Jay.... See you soon Larry Bro!!!
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12:12pm Sun 8 Feb 09
Like i said before its okay hiding behind your computer screen and sayin all this but i dare you to say it to anyone who cares.
I know Larry was a hero to many people and alot more im sure than a person like you. I can guarantee your the type of rat that runs from your pals if they get into trouble or walks from them if they are in need... Larry weren't. Like i said at his funeral he was the first one there and the last to leave and has been there for me alot. That i would class as much more of a hero than you could be going by your petty comments.
People make mistakes, sure you aint! Dont steriotype people you dont know because you end up mugging yourself off. He was no career criminal just a boy. now jog on back to your fantasy world and try to pull your head out of your **** on the way.
P.S. I guarantee there were much more people turned up to Larry's funeral than you will ever dream of.
HE WAS A LEGEND!
ur_nicked
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11:56pm Sat 23 Jan 10
Having been robbed myself I take a hard line against useless teenagers and parents who couldn't care less about what they're children do. The parents can take comfort in knowing that no one else was killed such as the innocent man.
They were punished and quite rightly!!
ur_nicked
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12:17am Sun 24 Jan 10
GO GREEN - SAVE trees and put them in cardboard boxes.
GODUPERE2
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8:06am Sun 24 Jan 10
mikestar wrote:My deepest sympathies to the families of those who died and the INNOCENT person injured, BUT good kids dont steal cars.
specificaly to max dartford you are heartless. that persons car can be replaced unlike the two young lives that were taken from us dear freinds!! there poor familes at home griveing for there children and you are disrespecting them.. everybody makes mistakes but sadly they never got to learn from theres. Jay and larry were good kids and no matter what they did they didnt deserve that. heaven has gained two angels.. xx
martdj
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12:56pm Sun 24 Jan 10
sweeper
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2:46pm Sun 24 Jan 10
Look up the word to see what it means before using it inappropriately, oh you may need to look that up too.
sweeper
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2:50pm Sun 24 Jan 10
Get a grip!!!
porkpie
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5:18pm Sun 24 Jan 10
It's Me again !
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6:14pm Sun 24 Jan 10
porkpie wrote:Its almost the 1st Anniversary, don't know if thats the reason ?
This happened nearly a year. Why is it being draged up again?
lfc07
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8:10pm Sun 24 Jan 10
porkpie
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8:15pm Sun 24 Jan 10
Gremlins maybe.
lfc07 - it's what not wot
Exotic_Dreams_X
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10:26pm Sun 25 Apr 10
Is this what you do? Cause aggravation on venerable people who have lost loved ones. Do you really think we care what you think?
All you doing is proving how shallow and narrow minded you are. You don't know the facts therefore you cannot judge. This page means ****... They could not even get Jay's last name right.
Karma maybe the reason that they died but they hell sure didn't deserve it. especially for their families and loved ones sake…
So why don’t you move on from this and concentrate on your own mistakes and not somebody else’s. maybe you’re jealous because you have not got the guts to do what they did. Think about it….
Exotic_Dreams_X
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8:29pm Wed 12 May 10
sweeper wrote:How about you get a grip. You obviously are a narrow minded jerk who has nothing better to do.
Heavens gained two angels???, i dont think so. I dont think those are the angels we need in heaven. Get a grip!!!
Exotic_Dreams_X
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8:32pm Wed 12 May 10
sweeper wrote:Yes Jay was a legend. He made people laugh and was fun to have around... What has that got to do with stealing a car? When all is said and done, they are not here anymore so stop acting like they can read your arguments.
A legend, oh really, taking someones property and almost an innocent persons life, makes you a Legend does it. Look up the word to see what it means before using it inappropriately, oh you may need to look that up too.
Exotic_Dreams_X
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8:35pm Wed 12 May 10
lfc07 wrote:So a car is going to steal them and drive them into a tree...? Moron. Never get karma and 'what goes around comes around' confused.
WOT GOES AROUND COMES AROUND....
Exotic_Dreams_X
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8:38pm Wed 12 May 10
ur_nicked wrote:No one cares about your robbing experiances. Like you don't care about the people that died.
They deserved everything they got just a couple of scumbags. I'm not one bit sympathetic to any of the other grief. Stealing a car for what! to deprive someone else of their property. People get a grip what about the innocent person!! Having been robbed myself I take a hard line against useless teenagers and parents who couldn't care less about what they're children do. The parents can take comfort in knowing that no one else was killed such as the innocent man. They were punished and quite rightly!!
Exotic_Dreams_X
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8:48pm Wed 12 May 10
It's Me again ! wrote:So every year you're going to come out with the same **** as the before. We've heard it all before. 'They deserved it...' Get it over it. It's only bothering you.
porkpie wrote: This happened nearly a year. Why is it being draged up again?Its almost the 1st Anniversary, don't know if thats the reason ?
Exotic_Dreams_X
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8:53pm Wed 12 May 10
localperson wrote:Yeah I also feel sorry for the person that had their car stolen. Just to think they can never drive that car again and they have to go all the way to replace it. Don't feel sorry for the parents. They can easily replace their children with insurance.
Well the police can catch these kids so its good to her they are doing a great job themselves but could we not put them somewhere that wont effect the general public and let them wipe themselves out this artical makes these morons sound like heros how is the person that had thier car stolen they i feel sorry for, I HOPE THE POLICE HAVE GIVEN THESE KIDS A CRIME REFERENCE NUMBER AND SENT THEM OFF!!!!!!!!!
Exotic_Dreams_X
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8:58pm Wed 12 May 10
ricksrants wrote:Well arent you a cleaver one? How long did it take you to work that one out? Heroes, because you don't know what they were really like... This news paper could not even get their names right. Don't believe everything you hear...
Why are they being portrayed as heroes rather than thieving scum. They stole a car, no doubt they were speeding. The only saving grace is that they did not kill an innocent party by their selfish criminal activities. Good riddance 2 less criminals to be supported by the state.
Exotic_Dreams_X
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9:00pm Wed 12 May 10
Is this what you do? Cause aggravation on venerable people who have lost loved ones. Do you really think we care what you think?
All you doing is proving how shallow and narrow minded you are. You don't know the facts therefore you cannot judge. This page means jack... They could not even get Jay's last name right. 'Hay' 'Sonny-barry'.
Karma maybe the reason that they died but they hell sure didn't deserve it. especially for their families and loved ones sake…
So why don’t you move on from this and concentrate on your own mistakes and not somebody else’s. maybe you’re jealous because you have not got the guts to do what they did. Think about it….
lau444
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10:53am Thu 12 Aug 10
Exotic_Dreams_X
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11:08am Wed 18 Aug 10
lau444 wrote:At least someone is on a clear thinking level. Unfortunately we're going to have them sad basment dwellers causing chaos on thier Facebook page by 'trolling' it. Looks like they are finding it hard to deal with their deaths.
This was over a year ago now, why cant you just let the families move on with their lives? Whats done has been done, learn from the mistakes, let the families greive and bury these arguments....
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