Bromley binmen strike back on after deal between Unite union and Veolia Environmental Services breaks down

News Shopper: Bromley binmen strike is back on after deal breaks down Bromley binmen strike is back on after deal breaks down

A STRIKE by Bromley’s binmen is set to take place next week after an agreement for four fired workers to return to work collapsed.

Unite members will be striking on Monday and Tuesday about the issue of where the sacked men will be allowed to work.

The union had been planning to hold a series of strikes to impact on the Christmas collections but these were averted after crunch talks between Unite and Veolia Environmental Services hammered out a deal.

Under the terms of the deal the men, who were fired in October for breaching their contract by removing unauthorised waste including garden waste and car seats, would be rehired by Veolia.

News Shopper: Bromley binmen strike result expected today

Unite says in return the union agreed to not take strike action on the matter of unauthorised waste collections.

And instead it says it agreed to work with Veolia, which collects household waste on behalf of Bromley Council, to prevent a repeat of the situation that led to the dismissals.

Unite Regional Officer Onay Kasab says the fired men were due to return to work on Monday (January 14) until Bromley Council said it did not want them working on the council contract.

But portfolio holder for the environment Councillor Colin Smith says the council has always made it clear that if the men were to be rehired by Veolia they would not be able to work in Bromley borough.

A war of words has broken out

And now a war of words has broken out between the council and the union.

News Shopper: Onay Kasab says a dispute is even more likely after the latest suspension

 

Mr Kasab (pictured above) said: “The strike action due to take place next week was needless because we had reached agreement with Veolia and Bromley Council.

“It is the council and Veolia which have caused a strike by not abiding by an agreement which gave them every concession they wanted.

“This unwanted, unnecessary and spiteful interference by Councillor Smith now means that strike action will take place.

"It is incredible that we can give every concession required of us, we can meet all demands made, including an undertaking not to strike on the matter of unauthorised collections in the future, but instead to work to prevent a repeat, we reach agreement with Veolia and meet every demand made by Bromley, yet two days before the four are due to return, Bromley, via Cllr Smith, have a change of heart and say no.

“But just as bad are Veolia, who had agreed that they would not abide by a red card, then on the day it is served, they say the deal is off.

"It is cruel and spiteful.

“The four were preparing to return to work on Monday on the basis of the agreement.

“I had to call all four and tell them that we had been double crossed.

“It was heartbreaking - the oldest serving worker in particular was distraught, having prepared all his work gear in advance and was excited about returning to where he had worked for over 40 years."

"We now call on all our members to take action, primarily to get justice for the four but now more importantly to show that Veolia and Bromley cannot make an agreement and then simply refuse to abide by it.”

Bromley Council says . . .

 

 

News Shopper: Portfolio holder for the environment Councillor Colin Smith

In response Cllr Smith (pictured above) said: “Mr Kasab’s latest attempt to re-write history really won’t do.

“I would start by reminding everyone that far from this incident being about the removal of a small amount of waste ‘as a favour’ for a resident without financial reward, it has now been established and admitted that some 880lbs of garden waste and two car seats were involved, as well that the crew in question did accept cash in hand for carrying out the job.

“That is as clear a breach of terms and conditions under the heading ‘gross misconduct’, sub heading ‘corruption’ within the union’s agreement with Veolia as will ever be found, that despite a number of warnings, over a period of time, as to the consequences of doing so.

“Despite that, the council has, as previously stated and reaffirms played no part in influencing Veolia’s right to manage their staff matters as they see fit and the fact that they have now decided to offer re-employment to the individuals in question bears testimony to that fact.

“What the council has said, consistently throughout to Veolia in line with the council’s contractual rights, is that if they do decide to take the men back, they will have to be deployed elsewhere from the Bromley contract as the council will not tolerate such behaviour locally due to deplorable message that would send to all the honest, hard working crews who do forgo temptation and abide by the rules and likewise local residents.

“It is also the case that there has been redeployment for the same offence in the not too distant past locally, so precedent has been established and the council’s position made absolutely consistent.

“I would offer a view that redeployment for a sackable offence is a pretty good deal for those involved under the circumstances and would again respectfully urge Veolia’s bin crews to please consider all the facts of this matter very carefully and to resist the call for this needless and seemingly ever more politically motivated strike action.”

News Shopper is in the process of obtaining a comment from Veolia Environmental Services about the dispute.

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1:45pm Wed 16 Jan 13

goldenbroomboy says...

Colin Smith did not like the deal that Veolia & the Unite made, so he interferes & breaks it of his own volitian.

Accordingly, it will be thanks to Colin Smith if our rubbish starts piling up.

I don't like siding with members of Militant Tendency, but just for once a Militant supporter is correct.
Colin Smith did not like the deal that Veolia & the Unite made, so he interferes & breaks it of his own volitian. Accordingly, it will be thanks to Colin Smith if our rubbish starts piling up. I don't like siding with members of Militant Tendency, but just for once a Militant supporter is correct. goldenbroomboy
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2:02pm Wed 16 Jan 13

Petra69 says...

goldenbroomboy wrote:
Colin Smith did not like the deal that Veolia & the Unite made, so he interferes & breaks it of his own volitian.

Accordingly, it will be thanks to Colin Smith if our rubbish starts piling up.

I don't like siding with members of Militant Tendency, but just for once a Militant supporter is correct.
Cllr Smith is to be congratulated. He is quite right. If these men took cash back handers as now seems proved they are common or garden thieves. Simple. It is quite right that a responsible council like Bromley should not permit thieves to work on its contracts. The union should be ashamed of itself for condoning this apparent theft. Just shows how irresponsible the union is. Hope the - in the main - honest bin men ignore the request to strike and not loose money by striking. They will be the losers
[quote][p][bold]goldenbroomboy[/bold] wrote: Colin Smith did not like the deal that Veolia & the Unite made, so he interferes & breaks it of his own volitian. Accordingly, it will be thanks to Colin Smith if our rubbish starts piling up. I don't like siding with members of Militant Tendency, but just for once a Militant supporter is correct.[/p][/quote]Cllr Smith is to be congratulated. He is quite right. If these men took cash back handers as now seems proved they are common or garden thieves. Simple. It is quite right that a responsible council like Bromley should not permit thieves to work on its contracts. The union should be ashamed of itself for condoning this apparent theft. Just shows how irresponsible the union is. Hope the - in the main - honest bin men ignore the request to strike and not loose money by striking. They will be the losers Petra69
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2:50pm Wed 16 Jan 13

Eagles_Man says...

The men have been rehired (the rightness of that move is another matter). But the councils position seems reasonable - sounds like its the union, having been let down by its own members putting their hands up to the charges, is looking for any excuse, however petty, to walk out.

Dear Mr Kasib,
The Seventies called, they're missing you!
The men have been rehired (the rightness of that move is another matter). But the councils position seems reasonable - sounds like its the union, having been let down by its own members putting their hands up to the charges, is looking for any excuse, however petty, to walk out. Dear Mr Kasib, The Seventies called, they're missing you! Eagles_Man
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3:36pm Wed 16 Jan 13

lord righteous says...

Councillor Colin Smith.
Anagram of 'interfering pr@tt'
Councillor Colin Smith. Anagram of 'interfering pr@tt' lord righteous
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4:16pm Wed 16 Jan 13

Slonik says...

Mr Union-Man's being very quiet about Cllr Smith's revelations regarding the 880lbs of garden waste plus car seats removed and the cash accepted. I wonder why? lol He seems to be arguing about an entirely different aspect now so has he finally accepted this version of events as fact?
Mr Union-Man's being very quiet about Cllr Smith's revelations regarding the 880lbs of garden waste plus car seats removed and the cash accepted. I wonder why? lol He seems to be arguing about an entirely different aspect now so has he finally accepted this version of events as fact? Slonik
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6:08pm Wed 16 Jan 13

goldenbroomboy says...

Petra69 wrote:
goldenbroomboy wrote: Colin Smith did not like the deal that Veolia & the Unite made, so he interferes & breaks it of his own volitian. Accordingly, it will be thanks to Colin Smith if our rubbish starts piling up. I don't like siding with members of Militant Tendency, but just for once a Militant supporter is correct.
Cllr Smith is to be congratulated. He is quite right. If these men took cash back handers as now seems proved they are common or garden thieves. Simple. It is quite right that a responsible council like Bromley should not permit thieves to work on its contracts. The union should be ashamed of itself for condoning this apparent theft. Just shows how irresponsible the union is. Hope the - in the main - honest bin men ignore the request to strike and not loose money by striking. They will be the losers
You obviously know nothing about law. If the men concerned took back handers it would be a breach of contract of employment, not theft.

Or you suggesting that they stole rubbish?
[quote][p][bold]Petra69[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]goldenbroomboy[/bold] wrote: Colin Smith did not like the deal that Veolia & the Unite made, so he interferes & breaks it of his own volitian. Accordingly, it will be thanks to Colin Smith if our rubbish starts piling up. I don't like siding with members of Militant Tendency, but just for once a Militant supporter is correct.[/p][/quote]Cllr Smith is to be congratulated. He is quite right. If these men took cash back handers as now seems proved they are common or garden thieves. Simple. It is quite right that a responsible council like Bromley should not permit thieves to work on its contracts. The union should be ashamed of itself for condoning this apparent theft. Just shows how irresponsible the union is. Hope the - in the main - honest bin men ignore the request to strike and not loose money by striking. They will be the losers[/p][/quote]You obviously know nothing about law. If the men concerned took back handers it would be a breach of contract of employment, not theft. Or you suggesting that they stole rubbish? goldenbroomboy
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6:18pm Wed 16 Jan 13

kasab says...

The facts really are quite simple. When Unite and Veolia met to negotiate, Veolia had Bromley on the end of the phone. Bromley made a number of demands which in there own words would lead to the men returning to Bromley. Perhaps to Bromleys surprise, we agreed those demands in full. If Cllr Smith is to be believed, Council Officers made an agreement without his knowledge. Veolia at no point stated that the Council had told them the four could not return to Bromley until Friday last week after an agreement was reached with the full involvement of Council Officers. Is it any wonder then that when employers can not abide by negotiated agreements, we exercise our right to take action?
There is no rewriting of history, nor any name calling from me. Just a statement of the facts.
But even though we have been wronged, I am happy to report to residents that we have approached Veolia with a view to an alternative agreement that hopefully will satisfy all and avoid a dispute next week.
As for the 70's jibe, I will bring the flared jeans you bring the space hopper.
The facts really are quite simple. When Unite and Veolia met to negotiate, Veolia had Bromley on the end of the phone. Bromley made a number of demands which in there own words would lead to the men returning to Bromley. Perhaps to Bromleys surprise, we agreed those demands in full. If Cllr Smith is to be believed, Council Officers made an agreement without his knowledge. Veolia at no point stated that the Council had told them the four could not return to Bromley until Friday last week after an agreement was reached with the full involvement of Council Officers. Is it any wonder then that when employers can not abide by negotiated agreements, we exercise our right to take action? There is no rewriting of history, nor any name calling from me. Just a statement of the facts. But even though we have been wronged, I am happy to report to residents that we have approached Veolia with a view to an alternative agreement that hopefully will satisfy all and avoid a dispute next week. As for the 70's jibe, I will bring the flared jeans you bring the space hopper. kasab
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8:30pm Wed 16 Jan 13

Slonik says...

Given he hasn't disputed them, I take it that Mr Union-Man now accepts the version of events offered by Cllr. Smith. I seem to recall the union's original stance on this matter being a bit different. Quelle surprise...
Given he hasn't disputed them, I take it that Mr Union-Man now accepts the version of events offered by Cllr. Smith. I seem to recall the union's original stance on this matter being a bit different. Quelle surprise... Slonik
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12:39pm Thu 17 Jan 13

Petra69 says...

goldenbroomboy wrote:
Petra69 wrote:
goldenbroomboy wrote: Colin Smith did not like the deal that Veolia & the Unite made, so he interferes & breaks it of his own volitian. Accordingly, it will be thanks to Colin Smith if our rubbish starts piling up. I don't like siding with members of Militant Tendency, but just for once a Militant supporter is correct.
Cllr Smith is to be congratulated. He is quite right. If these men took cash back handers as now seems proved they are common or garden thieves. Simple. It is quite right that a responsible council like Bromley should not permit thieves to work on its contracts. The union should be ashamed of itself for condoning this apparent theft. Just shows how irresponsible the union is. Hope the - in the main - honest bin men ignore the request to strike and not loose money by striking. They will be the losers
You obviously know nothing about law. If the men concerned took back handers it would be a breach of contract of employment, not theft.

Or you suggesting that they stole rubbish?
I know far more about the law than you. If they took backhanders that is firstly deception under the theft act and not paying tax is also illegal and theft. I repeat they are common or garden thieves. FACT
[quote][p][bold]goldenbroomboy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Petra69[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]goldenbroomboy[/bold] wrote: Colin Smith did not like the deal that Veolia & the Unite made, so he interferes & breaks it of his own volitian. Accordingly, it will be thanks to Colin Smith if our rubbish starts piling up. I don't like siding with members of Militant Tendency, but just for once a Militant supporter is correct.[/p][/quote]Cllr Smith is to be congratulated. He is quite right. If these men took cash back handers as now seems proved they are common or garden thieves. Simple. It is quite right that a responsible council like Bromley should not permit thieves to work on its contracts. The union should be ashamed of itself for condoning this apparent theft. Just shows how irresponsible the union is. Hope the - in the main - honest bin men ignore the request to strike and not loose money by striking. They will be the losers[/p][/quote]You obviously know nothing about law. If the men concerned took back handers it would be a breach of contract of employment, not theft. Or you suggesting that they stole rubbish?[/p][/quote]I know far more about the law than you. If they took backhanders that is firstly deception under the theft act and not paying tax is also illegal and theft. I repeat they are common or garden thieves. FACT Petra69
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12:46pm Thu 17 Jan 13

Gypo.Joe says...

Petra69 wrote:
goldenbroomboy wrote:
Petra69 wrote:
goldenbroomboy wrote: Colin Smith did not like the deal that Veolia & the Unite made, so he interferes & breaks it of his own volitian. Accordingly, it will be thanks to Colin Smith if our rubbish starts piling up. I don't like siding with members of Militant Tendency, but just for once a Militant supporter is correct.
Cllr Smith is to be congratulated. He is quite right. If these men took cash back handers as now seems proved they are common or garden thieves. Simple. It is quite right that a responsible council like Bromley should not permit thieves to work on its contracts. The union should be ashamed of itself for condoning this apparent theft. Just shows how irresponsible the union is. Hope the - in the main - honest bin men ignore the request to strike and not loose money by striking. They will be the losers
You obviously know nothing about law. If the men concerned took back handers it would be a breach of contract of employment, not theft.

Or you suggesting that they stole rubbish?
I know far more about the law than you. If they took backhanders that is firstly deception under the theft act and not paying tax is also illegal and theft. I repeat they are common or garden thieves. FACT
Get real lady. Do you really think that anyone that takes a tip and pays no tax on it is a thief.
What planet did you fall from ? Ur-anus ?
[quote][p][bold]Petra69[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]goldenbroomboy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Petra69[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]goldenbroomboy[/bold] wrote: Colin Smith did not like the deal that Veolia & the Unite made, so he interferes & breaks it of his own volitian. Accordingly, it will be thanks to Colin Smith if our rubbish starts piling up. I don't like siding with members of Militant Tendency, but just for once a Militant supporter is correct.[/p][/quote]Cllr Smith is to be congratulated. He is quite right. If these men took cash back handers as now seems proved they are common or garden thieves. Simple. It is quite right that a responsible council like Bromley should not permit thieves to work on its contracts. The union should be ashamed of itself for condoning this apparent theft. Just shows how irresponsible the union is. Hope the - in the main - honest bin men ignore the request to strike and not loose money by striking. They will be the losers[/p][/quote]You obviously know nothing about law. If the men concerned took back handers it would be a breach of contract of employment, not theft. Or you suggesting that they stole rubbish?[/p][/quote]I know far more about the law than you. If they took backhanders that is firstly deception under the theft act and not paying tax is also illegal and theft. I repeat they are common or garden thieves. FACT[/p][/quote]Get real lady. Do you really think that anyone that takes a tip and pays no tax on it is a thief. What planet did you fall from ? Ur-anus ? Gypo.Joe
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12:51pm Thu 17 Jan 13

Petra69 says...

Gypo.Joe wrote:
Petra69 wrote:
goldenbroomboy wrote:
Petra69 wrote:
goldenbroomboy wrote: Colin Smith did not like the deal that Veolia & the Unite made, so he interferes & breaks it of his own volitian. Accordingly, it will be thanks to Colin Smith if our rubbish starts piling up. I don't like siding with members of Militant Tendency, but just for once a Militant supporter is correct.
Cllr Smith is to be congratulated. He is quite right. If these men took cash back handers as now seems proved they are common or garden thieves. Simple. It is quite right that a responsible council like Bromley should not permit thieves to work on its contracts. The union should be ashamed of itself for condoning this apparent theft. Just shows how irresponsible the union is. Hope the - in the main - honest bin men ignore the request to strike and not loose money by striking. They will be the losers
You obviously know nothing about law. If the men concerned took back handers it would be a breach of contract of employment, not theft.

Or you suggesting that they stole rubbish?
I know far more about the law than you. If they took backhanders that is firstly deception under the theft act and not paying tax is also illegal and theft. I repeat they are common or garden thieves. FACT
Get real lady. Do you really think that anyone that takes a tip and pays no tax on it is a thief.
What planet did you fall from ? Ur-anus ?
Yes I do and they are. I assume you are one too by your attitude.
[quote][p][bold]Gypo.Joe[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Petra69[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]goldenbroomboy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Petra69[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]goldenbroomboy[/bold] wrote: Colin Smith did not like the deal that Veolia & the Unite made, so he interferes & breaks it of his own volitian. Accordingly, it will be thanks to Colin Smith if our rubbish starts piling up. I don't like siding with members of Militant Tendency, but just for once a Militant supporter is correct.[/p][/quote]Cllr Smith is to be congratulated. He is quite right. If these men took cash back handers as now seems proved they are common or garden thieves. Simple. It is quite right that a responsible council like Bromley should not permit thieves to work on its contracts. The union should be ashamed of itself for condoning this apparent theft. Just shows how irresponsible the union is. Hope the - in the main - honest bin men ignore the request to strike and not loose money by striking. They will be the losers[/p][/quote]You obviously know nothing about law. If the men concerned took back handers it would be a breach of contract of employment, not theft. Or you suggesting that they stole rubbish?[/p][/quote]I know far more about the law than you. If they took backhanders that is firstly deception under the theft act and not paying tax is also illegal and theft. I repeat they are common or garden thieves. FACT[/p][/quote]Get real lady. Do you really think that anyone that takes a tip and pays no tax on it is a thief. What planet did you fall from ? Ur-anus ?[/p][/quote]Yes I do and they are. I assume you are one too by your attitude. Petra69
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1:07pm Thu 17 Jan 13

Gypo.Joe says...

So you never give anyone a tip P69 ?

I bet you squeak when you walk ?

That's caused by having a tight Rse.
So you never give anyone a tip P69 ? I bet you squeak when you walk ? That's caused by having a tight Rse. Gypo.Joe
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2:02pm Thu 17 Jan 13

Petra69 says...

Don't understand the relevance. Yes I give tips for good service but I expect the recipient to be honest and pay the tax on it. Otherwise they are thieves. Quite simple really. So simple that if you think for a bit you might understand it
Don't understand the relevance. Yes I give tips for good service but I expect the recipient to be honest and pay the tax on it. Otherwise they are thieves. Quite simple really. So simple that if you think for a bit you might understand it Petra69
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2:21pm Thu 17 Jan 13

Eagles_Man says...

Petra69 is correct.

The council charges for bulky waste collection. By pocketing a fee for such collection they are stealing from the council (i.e. the council taxpayer). No different if a shop assistant takes the money for goods (even at a 'discounted' price) and doesn't put it through the till. Just because it's the downtrodden workers against the evil management doesn't change the principle.

And if they have not declared the income they are also guilty of tax evasion.
Petra69 is correct. The council charges for bulky waste collection. By pocketing a fee for such collection they are stealing from the council (i.e. the council taxpayer). No different if a shop assistant takes the money for goods (even at a 'discounted' price) and doesn't put it through the till. Just because it's the downtrodden workers against the evil management doesn't change the principle. And if they have not declared the income they are also guilty of tax evasion. Eagles_Man
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2:24pm Thu 17 Jan 13

Gypo.Joe says...

Petra69 wrote:
Don't understand the relevance. Yes I give tips for good service but I expect the recipient to be honest and pay the tax on it. Otherwise they are thieves. Quite simple really. So simple that if you think for a bit you might understand it
I'm going to be polite here 69, do the world a huge favour and go back to sleep. Dreamer.
What do you want people to pay Vear And Tear ( VAT ) on a tip next too.
[quote][p][bold]Petra69[/bold] wrote: Don't understand the relevance. Yes I give tips for good service but I expect the recipient to be honest and pay the tax on it. Otherwise they are thieves. Quite simple really. So simple that if you think for a bit you might understand it[/p][/quote]I'm going to be polite here 69, do the world a huge favour and go back to sleep. Dreamer. What do you want people to pay Vear And Tear ( VAT ) on a tip next too. Gypo.Joe
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2:29pm Thu 17 Jan 13

Petra69 says...

Gypo. It's the law. Laws are there to be obeyed. Not declaring is theft. It's not relevant whether its what I want it's fact. If you don't understand it that's simply because your are a thick prat. You may not be able to help being a thick prat but that's another issue.
Gypo. It's the law. Laws are there to be obeyed. Not declaring is theft. It's not relevant whether its what I want it's fact. If you don't understand it that's simply because your are a thick prat. You may not be able to help being a thick prat but that's another issue. Petra69
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2:34pm Thu 17 Jan 13

goldenbroomboy says...

Petra69 wrote:
goldenbroomboy wrote:
Petra69 wrote:
goldenbroomboy wrote: Colin Smith did not like the deal that Veolia & the Unite made, so he interferes & breaks it of his own volitian. Accordingly, it will be thanks to Colin Smith if our rubbish starts piling up. I don't like siding with members of Militant Tendency, but just for once a Militant supporter is correct.
Cllr Smith is to be congratulated. He is quite right. If these men took cash back handers as now seems proved they are common or garden thieves. Simple. It is quite right that a responsible council like Bromley should not permit thieves to work on its contracts. The union should be ashamed of itself for condoning this apparent theft. Just shows how irresponsible the union is. Hope the - in the main - honest bin men ignore the request to strike and not loose money by striking. They will be the losers
You obviously know nothing about law. If the men concerned took back handers it would be a breach of contract of employment, not theft.

Or you suggesting that they stole rubbish?
I know far more about the law than you. If they took backhanders that is firstly deception under the theft act and not paying tax is also illegal and theft. I repeat they are common or garden thieves. FACT
What can I say?

That is rubbish (!). Deception would be lying, who has lied?,and in any event to lie is not in itself a criminal offence. As for "the Theft Act", are you arguing that they intended to permanently deprive a householder of her rubbbish? (definition of theft is to permanently deprive somebody of their property). Are you suggesting that they are not paying tax on their wages? If so report the matter to Veolia. Arguably the company that dispose of garbage that Bromley Council do not collect might have a case for an action in the Small Claims Court, but that would be a minor civil court action, not Old Bailey with a Judge wearing a black cap.

And if the police thought that the men were "thieves" then the police would have been involved.

Go back to your Daily Wail.
[quote][p][bold]Petra69[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]goldenbroomboy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Petra69[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]goldenbroomboy[/bold] wrote: Colin Smith did not like the deal that Veolia & the Unite made, so he interferes & breaks it of his own volitian. Accordingly, it will be thanks to Colin Smith if our rubbish starts piling up. I don't like siding with members of Militant Tendency, but just for once a Militant supporter is correct.[/p][/quote]Cllr Smith is to be congratulated. He is quite right. If these men took cash back handers as now seems proved they are common or garden thieves. Simple. It is quite right that a responsible council like Bromley should not permit thieves to work on its contracts. The union should be ashamed of itself for condoning this apparent theft. Just shows how irresponsible the union is. Hope the - in the main - honest bin men ignore the request to strike and not loose money by striking. They will be the losers[/p][/quote]You obviously know nothing about law. If the men concerned took back handers it would be a breach of contract of employment, not theft. Or you suggesting that they stole rubbish?[/p][/quote]I know far more about the law than you. If they took backhanders that is firstly deception under the theft act and not paying tax is also illegal and theft. I repeat they are common or garden thieves. FACT[/p][/quote]What can I say? That is rubbish (!). Deception would be lying, who has lied?,and in any event to lie is not in itself a criminal offence. As for "the Theft Act", are you arguing that they intended to permanently deprive a householder of her rubbbish? (definition of theft is to permanently deprive somebody of their property). Are you suggesting that they are not paying tax on their wages? If so report the matter to Veolia. Arguably the company that dispose of garbage that Bromley Council do not collect might have a case for an action in the Small Claims Court, but that would be a minor civil court action, not Old Bailey with a Judge wearing a black cap. And if the police thought that the men were "thieves" then the police would have been involved. Go back to your Daily Wail. goldenbroomboy
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2:58pm Thu 17 Jan 13

Gypo.Joe says...

Petra69 wrote:
Gypo. It's the law. Laws are there to be obeyed. Not declaring is theft. It's not relevant whether its what I want it's fact. If you don't understand it that's simply because your are a thick prat. You may not be able to help being a thick prat but that's another issue.
Name calling, you sound just like my old lady. She calls me a back to front, not a prat though. Same thing.

The voices in my head are offended now. What should I do ?
[quote][p][bold]Petra69[/bold] wrote: Gypo. It's the law. Laws are there to be obeyed. Not declaring is theft. It's not relevant whether its what I want it's fact. If you don't understand it that's simply because your are a thick prat. You may not be able to help being a thick prat but that's another issue.[/p][/quote]Name calling, you sound just like my old lady. She calls me a back to front, not a prat though. Same thing. The voices in my head are offended now. What should I do ? Gypo.Joe
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7:01am Fri 18 Jan 13

Inspirationalady28 says...

lord righteous wrote:
Councillor Colin Smith.
Anagram of 'interfering pr@tt'
An anagram: The result of rearranging the letters of a word or phrase to produce a new word or phrase, using all the original letters exactly once..
So how can "Councillor Colin Smith" be an anagram of "interfering pr@tt?
[quote][p][bold]lord righteous[/bold] wrote: Councillor Colin Smith. Anagram of 'interfering pr@tt'[/p][/quote]An anagram: The result of rearranging the letters of a word or phrase to produce a new word or phrase, using all the original letters exactly once.. So how can "Councillor Colin Smith" be an anagram of "interfering pr@tt? Inspirationalady28
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10:51am Fri 18 Jan 13

C.Rodders.Jefferson says...

Inspirationalady28 wrote:
lord righteous wrote:
Councillor Colin Smith.
Anagram of 'interfering pr@tt'
An anagram: The result of rearranging the letters of a word or phrase to produce a new word or phrase, using all the original letters exactly once..
So how can "Councillor Colin Smith" be an anagram of "interfering pr@tt?
Does matron know that you're out of bed at 7.01 am Inspirationalady28 ?

Clive
[quote][p][bold]Inspirationalady28[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]lord righteous[/bold] wrote: Councillor Colin Smith. Anagram of 'interfering pr@tt'[/p][/quote]An anagram: The result of rearranging the letters of a word or phrase to produce a new word or phrase, using all the original letters exactly once.. So how can "Councillor Colin Smith" be an anagram of "interfering pr@tt?[/p][/quote]Does matron know that you're out of bed at 7.01 am Inspirationalady28 ? Clive C.Rodders.Jefferson
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12:24pm Fri 18 Jan 13

PaulErith says...

The men committed a sackable offense. They should get over it. Why should the union inconvience everyone to support these people? Personally I wish that companies could simply sack anyone that goes on strike. If they don't want to work, there's plenty of other's that do.
The men committed a sackable offense. They should get over it. Why should the union inconvience everyone to support these people? Personally I wish that companies could simply sack anyone that goes on strike. If they don't want to work, there's plenty of other's that do. PaulErith
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