Driver of Bexley Council's CCTV car accused of sleeping on the job (From News Shopper)

Mrs Hill was lucky, I parked in the same car park at about 8pm on a Friday night to go to the bowling alley. A parking attendant watched me park, go to the ticket machine for a ticket and then decided to pounce.

Saw two wardens in Sidcup McDonalds window seats yesterday, slouching back in their seats watching offenders park outside.

B L Zeebub wrote:
Saw two wardens in Sidcup McDonalds window seats yesterday, slouching back in their seats watching offenders park outside.

No doubt salivating over their next potential victims. I hope their big macs gave them indigestion!

Number of times I've seen the spy car illegally parked it unbelievable!! An I'm sure I've seen a man that drives this asleep more than once.

People complain about these people, but not being funny, most (and I know not all) parking tickets are genuine. If you park on double yellow line, or single yellow at the wrong time, you can't really complain if you get done! The amount of people I've heard moaning that 'they only stopped to nip in a shop'. Tough! That's the risk you take.

A council spokeswoman said: "The photos are inconclusive on their own.
Come on Bexley Council, you are having a laugh !
I've seen this many a time and not just the lady in the " inconclusive " photo.

PaulErith wrote:
People complain about these people, but not being funny, most (and I know not all) parking tickets are genuine. If you park on double yellow line, or single yellow at the wrong time, you can't really complain if you get done! The amount of people I've heard moaning that 'they only stopped to nip in a shop'. Tough! That's the risk you take.

Agreed, but why should we have any respect for anyone who aspires to be a traffic warden and then sleeps on the job?

It's pretty much the same in Greenwich. I see every day the council workers sit in their vans smoking and chatting for the last hour or so of their shift.

Councils still spend tax payers money like there was no tomorrow. The same principles as in the private sectorshould apply, ie. if you don't perform or if there is not enough work to do you are fired.

j.j. wrote:
It's pretty much the same in Greenwich. I see every day the council workers sit in their vans smoking and chatting for the last hour or so of their shift.

Councils still spend tax payers money like there was no tomorrow. The same principles as in the private sectorshould apply, ie. if you don't perform or if there is not enough work to do you are fired.

Taking into account the cost & maintenance of the vehicles, training of drivers and other staff, office premises for administration staff and salaries of drivers and administration staff it is probably costing us more than keeping them unemployed and on benifits where they should be, instead of creating jobs for them all at or expense!

wot seriously she aint even got her eyes closed so how she sleepin grow up n get a life some one has to do there jobs

Haha, this picture is brilliant! Typical Bexley Council 'The photos are inconclusive on their own' I bet the parking manager (better not say her name) will be going mental! So glad I don't work for them anymore! I'm very fortunate knowing all of their secrets!

wot seriously she aint even got her eyes closed so how she sleepin grow up n get a life some one has to do there jobs

Listen m8 im the 1 who take the photo's and i can confirm to you all she was in deep sleep and nodding her head nearly hit the dashboard,i talk more then 4 photo's and infortunately the newsshopper only decided to show 2 of them,i decided to wake her up after the photo shot and i got a work mate in that time he can witness and he was next to me wen im taking the photo and we was laughing at the way she was nodding and deep asleep like she was in her private bed LOL if that wasn't enaugh evidence.

dontfallasleep wrote:
wot seriously she aint even got her eyes closed so how she sleepin grow up n get a life some one has to do there jobs

Listen m8 im the 1 who take the photo's and i can confirm to you all she was in deep sleep and nodding her head nearly hit the dashboard,i talk more then 4 photo's and infortunately the newsshopper only decided to show 2 of them,i decided to wake her up after the photo shot and i got a work mate in that time he can witness and he was next to me wen im taking the photo and we was laughing at the way she was nodding and deep asleep like she was in her private bed LOL if that wasn't enaugh evidence.

is this ur job or a hobby

tracyp wrote:

dontfallasleep wrote: wot seriously she aint even got her eyes closed so how she sleepin grow up n get a life some one has to do there jobs Listen m8 im the 1 who take the photo's and i can confirm to you all she was in deep sleep and nodding her head nearly hit the dashboard,i talk more then 4 photo's and infortunately the newsshopper only decided to show 2 of them,i decided to wake her up after the photo shot and i got a work mate in that time he can witness and he was next to me wen im taking the photo and we was laughing at the way she was nodding and deep asleep like she was in her private bed LOL if that wasn't enaugh evidence.

is this ur job or a hobby

Both of you should have a hobby to do with learning English and how to spell with English.


tracyp - Is that you in the photo ? Or your mother / Lover / Aunty / Sister ?

tracyp says...
4:35pm Wed 1 Feb 12
is this ur job or a hobby

no is not my job,i do carry camera to catch some nice photo's of wildlife,but wen i seing her asleep i thought she make a nice frame and good headline in the local paper so at least we all know now wy we pay council tax and were the money goes.

You should of used the video function of the camera. That would of been the best proof.

Stills could of been captured from it later.

dontfallasleep wrote:
wot seriously she aint even got her eyes closed so how she sleepin grow up n get a life some one has to do there jobs

Listen m8 im the 1 who take the photo's and i can confirm to you all she was in deep sleep and nodding her head nearly hit the dashboard,i talk more then 4 photo's and infortunately the newsshopper only decided to show 2 of them,i decided to wake her up after the photo shot and i got a work mate in that time he can witness and he was next to me wen im taking the photo and we was laughing at the way she was nodding and deep asleep like she was in her private bed LOL if that wasn't enaugh evidence.

To be fair (asleep or not) I'd drive off if I opened my eyes and saw you and your mate with your faces up against the car window, laughing your heads off and pointing a camera. Scary stuff!

the wall wrote:

tracyp wrote:

dontfallasleep wrote: wot seriously she aint even got her eyes closed so how she sleepin grow up n get a life some one has to do there jobs Listen m8 im the 1 who take the photo's and i can confirm to you all she was in deep sleep and nodding her head nearly hit the dashboard,i talk more then 4 photo's and infortunately the newsshopper only decided to show 2 of them,i decided to wake her up after the photo shot and i got a work mate in that time he can witness and he was next to me wen im taking the photo and we was laughing at the way she was nodding and deep asleep like she was in her private bed LOL if that wasn't enaugh evidence.

is this ur job or a hobby

Both of you should have a hobby to do with learning English and how to spell with English.


tracyp - Is that you in the photo ? Or your mother / Lover / Aunty / Sister ?

y would it b a pic of me n no i dont no her n im fully english i bet u aint

How do you know the woman wasn't just inspecting the inside of her eye lids. I do it all the time in Clacket Lane services.

joegypo7th wrote:
How do you know the woman wasn't just inspecting the inside of her eye lids. I do it all the time in Clacket Lane services.

lol

Have to say I know this person and this is the sort of thing she does.... She also escapes to her mothers house for a few hours most days only lately she has been hiding elsewhere and now got caught!!!! Have complained several times but nothing is every done.... She carries on doing nothing..... She deserves the sack in mu opinion

Listener wrote:
Have to say I know this person and this is the sort of thing she does.... She also escapes to her mothers house for a few hours most days only lately she has been hiding elsewhere and now got caught!!!! Have complained several times but nothing is every done.... She carries on doing nothing..... She deserves the sack in mu opinion

Listener, why do you complain and want her sacked? Do you want her job??

Are you an outraged council tax payer who resents where your hard earned money gets spent? Please think of all the services you get before you arrive at cctv car driver as an answer.

Or are you are an outraged taxpayer who is going to watch someone with a job and paying tax go to being unemployed and claiming benefits (including housing and council tax)?

I have absolutely no idea who this woman is but because Mr. Tree Surgeon once got a ticket and decided to make it a personal vendetta now you also decide she's not doing her job "cos you know her" and where she allegedly spends all her day. 'Avin a laugh!

i'd like to point out a few things when it comes to the issues drivers have with traffic wardens, etc.

i'm confident enough to say to say that the female in the cctv car wasn't asleep at that time as i personally know and work with her... the cctv cars require constant observation inside the vehicle to assess any contraventions taking place... even that said, the female in the vehicle naturally sits like this in the cctv car as it is very cramped in the car with all the equipment and can give us back pain if we dont sit in certain ways...

we have many people from the public like mr hanachi taking pictures of us on a daily basis trying to catch us in the wrong...

for those who say that we park illegally, well we dont... we have authorisation from bexley council to park on single/double yellow lines, etc wherever you may see us and before doing so at each location, we seek that authorisation for an all clear.

as for the female who recieved a parking fine in oaklands road car park... as far as i can say, if the machines are out of order then don't park there... displayin money in your dash dont do anything cos we wont wait there to collect it.

there is no such thing in this country as free parking if there is a pay machine in that car park...

the reason for pay by phone function is for that purpose, if the machine doesn't work or you dont have loose change...

yes maybe, its not her fault that the machine was out of order but there was other means of pay ie. by phone... but then again its not any traffic warden or bexley council's fault that she doesn't have a phone, etc to pay by phone...

there is another car park literally 30 seconds opposite in which she could have parked and paid or park on the near side roads that are free parking. bexleyheath borough is full of car parks.

traffic wardens and cctv cars are there for a purpose... if you commit a contravention be it a minor or serious one, then you give us a chance to actually be on the road.

theres 1 simple answer to this, noone pay their fine untill te council change there ways. I never register my car to my address, if you don't pay your fine and a court baliff decides to come and clamp your car he will have a wasted journey, the worse that will happen is your get a ccj to your name and whats that? absolutly nothing so you might have troube obtaining credit in the future, who wants credit anyway, credit equals debt, britain fights back lol

username84 wrote:
i'd like to point out a few things when it comes to the issues drivers have with traffic wardens, etc.

i'm confident enough to say to say that the female in the cctv car wasn't asleep at that time as i personally know and work with her... the cctv cars require constant observation inside the vehicle to assess any contraventions taking place... even that said, the female in the vehicle naturally sits like this in the cctv car as it is very cramped in the car with all the equipment and can give us back pain if we dont sit in certain ways...

we have many people from the public like mr hanachi taking pictures of us on a daily basis trying to catch us in the wrong...

for those who say that we park illegally, well we dont... we have authorisation from bexley council to park on single/double yellow lines, etc wherever you may see us and before doing so at each location, we seek that authorisation for an all clear.

as for the female who recieved a parking fine in oaklands road car park... as far as i can say, if the machines are out of order then don't park there... displayin money in your dash dont do anything cos we wont wait there to collect it.

there is no such thing in this country as free parking if there is a pay machine in that car park...

the reason for pay by phone function is for that purpose, if the machine doesn't work or you dont have loose change...

yes maybe, its not her fault that the machine was out of order but there was other means of pay ie. by phone... but then again its not any traffic warden or bexley council's fault that she doesn't have a phone, etc to pay by phone...

there is another car park literally 30 seconds opposite in which she could have parked and paid or park on the near side roads that are free parking. bexleyheath borough is full of car parks.

traffic wardens and cctv cars are there for a purpose... if you commit a contravention be it a minor or serious one, then you give us a chance to actually be on the road.

you ever thought about getting a proper job

You have to laugh that its oks to block the road after 6.30 and be legally parked but put two wheels on the pavement while you pop in a shop thus freeing up the traffic and the cctv cars will give you a ticket.
So if its not about raising revenue why is this a regular occurance ? Its certainly not about keeping the roads freely moving when this policy encourages blocking the flow of traffic.
Seeing my mate get a ticket whilst dropping someone off at blackfen was plain crazy, he had two wheels on the pavement for a whole 8 seconds as recorded by a cctv car.

The thing is they not even supposed to be used in this way they are only supposed to be usd where it is unpractical to use a traffic warden ie on the A2 etc.They only get away with it as its not law and only guidelines.

Thats it parking people keep killing off local trade by targeting all those small parades of shops that rely on people parking up and popping in.And when all the small shops are killed off by stupid parking restrictions we can all go tescos for everything.

PaulErith wrote:
People complain about these people, but not being funny, most (and I know not all) parking tickets are genuine. If you park on double yellow line, or single yellow at the wrong time, you can't really complain if you get done! The amount of people I've heard moaning that 'they only stopped to nip in a shop'. Tough! That's the risk you take.

Totally agree with you , but how comes they park in restricted areas whilst filming you. I dropped the missus off on a yellow line, didnt even park and the next week got a fine. Yet they are parked illegally themselves. She wasnt sleeping though!!

Only_me!! wrote:
theres 1 simple answer to this, noone pay their fine untill te council change there ways. I never register my car to my address, if you don't pay your fine and a court baliff decides to come and clamp your car he will have a wasted journey, the worse that will happen is your get a ccj to your name and whats that? absolutly nothing so you might have troube obtaining credit in the future, who wants credit anyway, credit equals debt, britain fights back lol

What stupid advice! Just in case anyone is daft enough to think that getting a CCJ is no big deal, I'd point out that you may get trouble getting a mortgage. Secondly, don't ever bother to try to get a job in the financial sector as FSA rules means that banks, etc can't employ such people.

Presumably this joker thinks he's the right to park where he wants. Let's hope some time they catch up with you and crush your car.

bizzymum wrote:

Listener wrote:
Have to say I know this person and this is the sort of thing she does.... She also escapes to her mothers house for a few hours most days only lately she has been hiding elsewhere and now got caught!!!! Have complained several times but nothing is every done.... She carries on doing nothing..... She deserves the sack in mu opinion

Listener, why do you complain and want her sacked? Do you want her job??

Are you an outraged council tax payer who resents where your hard earned money gets spent? Please think of all the services you get before you arrive at cctv car driver as an answer.

Or are you are an outraged taxpayer who is going to watch someone with a job and paying tax go to being unemployed and claiming benefits (including housing and council tax)?

I have absolutely no idea who this woman is but because Mr. Tree Surgeon once got a ticket and decided to make it a personal vendetta now you also decide she's not doing her job "cos you know her" and where she allegedly spends all her day. 'Avin a laugh!

here here lol

tracyp wrote:

the wall wrote:

tracyp wrote:

dontfallasleep wrote: wot seriously she aint even got her eyes closed so how she sleepin grow up n get a life some one has to do there jobs Listen m8 im the 1 who take the photo's and i can confirm to you all she was in deep sleep and nodding her head nearly hit the dashboard,i talk more then 4 photo's and infortunately the newsshopper only decided to show 2 of them,i decided to wake her up after the photo shot and i got a work mate in that time he can witness and he was next to me wen im taking the photo and we was laughing at the way she was nodding and deep asleep like she was in her private bed LOL if that wasn't enaugh evidence.

is this ur job or a hobby

Both of you should have a hobby to do with learning English and how to spell with English. tracyp - Is that you in the photo ? Or your mother / Lover / Aunty / Sister ?

y would it b a pic of me n no i dont no her n im fully english i bet u aint

"fully english" tracyp? It would help if you could employ a bit of spelling & grammar! I'm not entirely sure implying someone isn't English is a good way of negating their argument though - sounds just a little bit racist too.......

tracyp wrote:

the wall wrote:

tracyp wrote:

dontfallasleep wrote: wot seriously she aint even got her eyes closed so how she sleepin grow up n get a life some one has to do there jobs Listen m8 im the 1 who take the photo's and i can confirm to you all she was in deep sleep and nodding her head nearly hit the dashboard,i talk more then 4 photo's and infortunately the newsshopper only decided to show 2 of them,i decided to wake her up after the photo shot and i got a work mate in that time he can witness and he was next to me wen im taking the photo and we was laughing at the way she was nodding and deep asleep like she was in her private bed LOL if that wasn't enaugh evidence.

is this ur job or a hobby

Both of you should have a hobby to do with learning English and how to spell with English. tracyp - Is that you in the photo ? Or your mother / Lover / Aunty / Sister ?

y would it b a pic of me n no i dont no her n im fully english i bet u aint

Fully English, what are you a breakfast?

You can bet all you want and lose the lot.

Your use of English shows you up to be some sort of mouth breather lacking intelligence and with poor social skills.

im dislexic ok so that means i cant ave my say u stuck up posh prat

tracyp wrote:
im dislexic ok so that means i cant ave my say u stuck up posh prat

So what! What do you a medal ? Stop playing the victim love everyone got a problem some where in their life.

Where did I say you couldn't have your say ? Come on show me.

So why do you think I'm a stuck up posh prat ? Is it because I have standards ?

Funny how suddenly you can almost string a sentence together.

One more thing I have mild dyslexia to.
It doesn't stop any of these people:
Orlando Bloom, Charley Boorman, Tom Cruise, Danny Glover, Whoopi Goldberg, Jay Leno. The list goes on and on.

username84 wrote:
i'd like to point out a few things when it comes to the issues drivers have with traffic wardens, etc. i'm confident enough to say to say that the female in the cctv car wasn't asleep at that time as i personally know and work with her... the cctv cars require constant observation inside the vehicle to assess any contraventions taking place... even that said, the female in the vehicle naturally sits like this in the cctv car as it is very cramped in the car with all the equipment and can give us back pain if we dont sit in certain ways... we have many people from the public like mr hanachi taking pictures of us on a daily basis trying to catch us in the wrong... for those who say that we park illegally, well we dont... we have authorisation from bexley council to park on single/double yellow lines, etc wherever you may see us and before doing so at each location, we seek that authorisation for an all clear. as for the female who recieved a parking fine in oaklands road car park... as far as i can say, if the machines are out of order then don't park there... displayin money in your dash dont do anything cos we wont wait there to collect it. there is no such thing in this country as free parking if there is a pay machine in that car park... the reason for pay by phone function is for that purpose, if the machine doesn't work or you dont have loose change... yes maybe, its not her fault that the machine was out of order but there was other means of pay ie. by phone... but then again its not any traffic warden or bexley council's fault that she doesn't have a phone, etc to pay by phone... there is another car park literally 30 seconds opposite in which she could have parked and paid or park on the near side roads that are free parking. bexleyheath borough is full of car parks. traffic wardens and cctv cars are there for a purpose... if you commit a contravention be it a minor or serious one, then you give us a chance to actually be on the road.

More lies being told here... Then again the rules change every 5 minutes with you lot!

Surely it's against health & safety rules & regs to be cramped up in a confined space as you say you are ??
I have a business on Blackfen Road, everyday I see the little smart car and not once have I seen it's driver asleep with legs a kimbo on the dash board.
So either NSL & Bexley council are breaking health & saftey regulations, or you, the friend of the sleeping driver, is telling porkies.

MsChevious wrote:

tracyp wrote:

the wall wrote:

tracyp wrote:

dontfallasleep wrote: wot seriously she aint even got her eyes closed so how she sleepin grow up n get a life some one has to do there jobs Listen m8 im the 1 who take the photo's and i can confirm to you all she was in deep sleep and nodding her head nearly hit the dashboard,i talk more then 4 photo's and infortunately the newsshopper only decided to show 2 of them,i decided to wake her up after the photo shot and i got a work mate in that time he can witness and he was next to me wen im taking the photo and we was laughing at the way she was nodding and deep asleep like she was in her private bed LOL if that wasn't enaugh evidence.

is this ur job or a hobby

Both of you should have a hobby to do with learning English and how to spell with English. tracyp - Is that you in the photo ? Or your mother / Lover / Aunty / Sister ?

y would it b a pic of me n no i dont no her n im fully english i bet u aint

"fully english" tracyp? It would help if you could employ a bit of spelling & grammar! I'm not entirely sure implying someone isn't English is a good way of negating their argument though - sounds just a little bit racist too.......

Unfortunately I think you're fighting a losing battle to get people on here to use the English language in its correct form. I can accept someone may not have perfect grammar, but can't stand the use of 'text speak'. It bugs me like crazy!

If Bexley get a lot of these types of issues then surely it would be easy to sort this out or am I missing something? It is a Camera car! Put a camera on the inside of the car to monitor the Health and Safety of the operative!! If you know what I mean!!!

I am dyslexic among other augments, but I do try to speak and write proper like. Lol

I think we are very lucky to have people like Ben, who are prepared to carry cameras with them in case they see somebody taking a rest.

I'm also delighted that Ben is doing this in the public interest and is in no way motivated by feelings of petty revenge.

Where will Ben's public spirit take him next? Perhaps to a picture of a firefighter sitting down for five minutes or a police officer daring to eat some lunch? If he really strikes gold, he might get a government minister having a swift half at dinner time. The possibilities are endless!

I say "let's hear it for this worthwhile campaign that could easily lead to a better society"!

PaulErith wrote:

Only_me!! wrote:
theres 1 simple answer to this, noone pay their fine untill te council change there ways. I never register my car to my address, if you don't pay your fine and a court baliff decides to come and clamp your car he will have a wasted journey, the worse that will happen is your get a ccj to your name and whats that? absolutly nothing so you might have troube obtaining credit in the future, who wants credit anyway, credit equals debt, britain fights back lol

What stupid advice! Just in case anyone is daft enough to think that getting a CCJ is no big deal, I'd point out that you may get trouble getting a mortgage. Secondly, don't ever bother to try to get a job in the financial sector as FSA rules means that banks, etc can't employ such people.

Presumably this joker thinks he's the right to park where he wants. Let's hope some time they catch up with you and crush your car.

who can afford a morgage nowdays anyway, your still be paying it off when your in the ground, your absolutly right i park where i want and i my car is not even good enough for the crusher - fiat panda 1993

username84 wrote:
i'd like to point out a few things when it comes to the issues drivers have with traffic wardens, etc. i'm confident enough to say to say that the female in the cctv car wasn't asleep at that time as i personally know and work with her... the cctv cars require constant observation inside the vehicle to assess any contraventions taking place... even that said, the female in the vehicle naturally sits like this in the cctv car as it is very cramped in the car with all the equipment and can give us back pain if we dont sit in certain ways... we have many people from the public like mr hanachi taking pictures of us on a daily basis trying to catch us in the wrong... for those who say that we park illegally, well we dont... we have authorisation from bexley council to park on single/double yellow lines, etc wherever you may see us and before doing so at each location, we seek that authorisation for an all clear. as for the female who recieved a parking fine in oaklands road car park... as far as i can say, if the machines are out of order then don't park there... displayin money in your dash dont do anything cos we wont wait there to collect it. there is no such thing in this country as free parking if there is a pay machine in that car park... the reason for pay by phone function is for that purpose, if the machine doesn't work or you dont have loose change... yes maybe, its not her fault that the machine was out of order but there was other means of pay ie. by phone... but then again its not any traffic warden or bexley council's fault that she doesn't have a phone, etc to pay by phone... there is another car park literally 30 seconds opposite in which she could have parked and paid or park on the near side roads that are free parking. bexleyheath borough is full of car parks. traffic wardens and cctv cars are there for a purpose... if you commit a contravention be it a minor or serious one, then you give us a chance to actually be on the road.

That comment just sums you jobsworth low life arrogant s**t up. All your job involves is to bring misery and stress to peoples lives. You serve no other purpose than that. Proud job to have when you have to hide and pray on a person, most of whom have a genuine reason for not having a ticket or parking on a yellow line. Not saying they all do cause there are also alot of future CEO's out there just as iggnorant. Anyway what gives the council the right to give you permission to park illegally to catch someone who does the same. Thats Bulls**t, you are not above the laws of the highways.
Anyway Anyone who gets a ticket always contest it espeacilly if you suspect it was issued wrongly or have a valid reason ffor why you were parked there. And use there system loads of photographic evidence. As most of them are issued illegally.
Example I got off a ticket outside the civic offices in Bexleyheath about 4 years ago on a double yellow. I had a valid excuse for parking there and got off with it. Because I did my homework and found out the ticket was issued ilegally which since then I have got people off with loads of tickets. But only those who were genuine and had a case.

Ben should really get a life, after all he was not fined as such, he appealed the ticket & won. There are better uses of precious spare time than taking photos of Bexley traffic wardens.

Linda IMHO should appeal the ticket, & see what happens. Just for once, I agree with the statement from Bexley Council.

BigG - What was your 'good reason' for parking on double yellow lines? I don't think that there are many good reasons. Most parking tickets are valid. Like it or not, parking restrictions exist and one has to pay for car parks. If you fail to do this, you get a ticket. Not rocket science!

PaulErith wrote:
BigG - What was your 'good reason' for parking on double yellow lines? I don't think that there are many good reasons. Most parking tickets are valid. Like it or not, parking restrictions exist and one has to pay for car parks. If you fail to do this, you get a ticket. Not rocket science!

It was my wife actually who broke down. This I expalined to the parking services who still rejected the circumstances. This is the sort of people they are everyones a liar and they have no compassion as their wardens don't.
Anyway I got off with it because the yellow lines went round into the Marriott and they wasn't T'd off at the end. After they had to drop it a week later they t'd them off. Funny that! they know that most of their tickets are issued wrongly, and rely on people to pay instead of challenging them. I'm not one of them people. And then there are people like yourself that defend their actions. Are you a traffic Warden???? or work for one of our the corrupt councils.

Maybe the driver was being intimidated by this man and trying to avoid him. I’m guessing they come in for a lot of abuse doing their jobs. Maybe the real shot he was after was one of the driver reacting angrily to him so he could post that on a website and snigger like a schoolboy - but all he got was one of her hunched up and avoiding looking at him. Maybe he was **** when he didn’t get the reaction he wanted so he made up some lame story anyway. Guess what, my family album has several photos taken over the years showing people with shut or half eyes – they weren’t asleep though, the camera just caught them at the wrong moment. Good for NSL for wanting to find out the facts first. As they said, photos on their own are inconclusive.
As for Linda, I sympathise – but you have to look at the bigger picture. Supposing it was the mobile phone and pay system that had crashed. Would mobile phone users suddenly have been allowed to park for free? I don’t think so – they’d have had to pay cash and if they didn’t have cash they’d have had to park elsewhere.
By the way, I think these parking patrols do a great job. When my kids were at school I was glad to see them fining selfish drivers parking illegally by school gates and causing a hazard to the kids. I am also glad to see them fining selfish drivers who block bus stops so they can get to the shops easily – but cause problems to older folk and people with wheelchairs or pushchairs who then struggle to get on or off the buses which are forced to park away from the kerb.
There are always cases which are an exception to the rule, and the appeal system is there for that. Other than that, the people who are the most bitter and twisted about parking tickets seem to be the ones who deserve them most.

I agree with not parking outside schools on zigzags. That's the sort of thing wardens should do. But all this is never about keeping roads clear or safety. Its all about, how much the councils can screw out of you. Those who defend their system either don't drive or just the usual do gooders that get involved with s""t that don't concern them. And those who says she's awake, someone who knows her says she slopes off to her Mums. And u wouldn't be relaxed as that if someone was snapping you

Big G - No I'm not a traffic warden and my work has no connections to the council nor do any of my family! Just my general opinion is that a lot (not all) of the time, these people get a hard time. If you're broken down on yellow lines, that's fair enough. But I do hear a lot of people moaning that 'they were only 5 mins over their ticket' or 'only stopped on the yellow line to nip in a shop'. Then they feel hard done by to get fined. The rules are pretty clear.

j.j. wrote:
It's pretty much the same in Greenwich. I see every day the council workers sit in their vans smoking and chatting for the last hour or so of their shift.

Councils still spend tax payers money like there was no tomorrow. The same principles as in the private sectorshould apply, ie. if you don't perform or if there is not enough work to do you are fired.

If any person is within a company owned vehicle which is used for work purposes, it is illegal for that person, including passengers, to be smoking - (The Smoke-free (Exemptions and Vehicles) Regulations 2007 No. 765).

The fines if caught can be hefty not only to the individual who is smoking, the driver if the smoker is a passenger AND the business who owns the vehicle.
I have no qualms about obtaining the vehicle registration and reporting it to the local Environmental Officer who are obliged under law to investigate and prosecute if so required.
I suggest that everyone starts noting this law and not be afraid to use it.

LNN wrote:
Surely it's against health & safety rules & regs to be cramped up in a confined space as you say you are ??
I have a business on Blackfen Road, everyday I see the little smart car and not once have I seen it's driver asleep with legs a kimbo on the dash board.
So either NSL & Bexley council are breaking health & saftey regulations, or you, the friend of the sleeping driver, is telling porkies.

LNN -
Road Vehicle (Construction and Use) Regulations 1986 defines the way the vehicle is constructed and how it can be used. The Provision and Use of Work Equipment 1998 also defines what has to be done to ensure the equipment - the car is being used for work purposes and is therefore classed as work equipment - is fit for the use it is intended to be put to.
Under H&S legislation, it is a requirement for any equipment or process or work activity to be risk assessed. This is supported by the Management of Health and Safety at Work Regs 1992 and subsequent amendments and the Health and Safety at Work etc Act 1974. There will be others also covering this subject.
I have not risk assessed these vehicles for the purpose they are used in this case but have for other uses in other businesses Ive been with. The assessment will take account of significant risk and put in place 'control's to either eliminate the risk (always the 1st option) or means to reduce the risk to an acceptable level. Please ask the company concerned for a copy of the risk assessment to see what their findings were and the controls that would have been introduced. You probably be told no as you don't have a devine right but sometimes firms are happy to produce the occaisonal copy.
And no, I don't work for the cctv firm or the council, before anyone asks or throws abuse at me!!

PaulErith wrote:
Big G - No I'm not a traffic warden and my work has no connections to the council nor do any of my family! Just my general opinion is that a lot (not all) of the time, these people get a hard time. If you're broken down on yellow lines, that's fair enough. But I do hear a lot of people moaning that 'they were only 5 mins over their ticket' or 'only stopped on the yellow line to nip in a shop'. Then they feel hard done by to get fined. The rules are pretty clear.

At the end of the day, it's easier to look at it like a game of footie.
If you want to cheat by diving in the area to get a penalty to win and you get away with it...well done (not condoning diving or cheating) but the next time you may not get away and be caught fair and square. You can't then moan about being given a card for cheating.
A strange way of looking at it but it works!
I suppose the only answer that can be given and can not be argued against although those people who get caught will try is...if you don't want a ticket, don't stop where you're not supposed to!!

I've just had another look at the close up photo...the attendant actually has her eyes open!
The angle of the shot plus the eye makeup makes it look as though her eyes are shut but they are open!!

ianc9139 wrote:
I've just had another look at the close up photo...the attendant actually has her eyes open!
The angle of the shot plus the eye makeup makes it look as though her eyes are shut but they are open!!

you just assuming she is awake,but next time definately a video,cause i know were to find them and i be hunting them just to prove it to you lot readers she was in deep sleep,i wish she can tell the truth and put you out of your misery,wy make you think i wont to take pictures of someone awake,and ask yourself if she is awake wy she's not looking at me then???
just wait for the next episode as definately is a video.
carry on the argument now boyz and girlz,and no racism comment in the future plz as you would be reported to the police as a ciber bully,by the way is the new law procecute for ciber bully.

ianc9139 wrote:

LNN wrote:
Surely it's against health & safety rules & regs to be cramped up in a confined space as you say you are ??
I have a business on Blackfen Road, everyday I see the little smart car and not once have I seen it's driver asleep with legs a kimbo on the dash board.
So either NSL & Bexley council are breaking health & saftey regulations, or you, the friend of the sleeping driver, is telling porkies.

LNN -
Road Vehicle (Construction and Use) Regulations 1986 defines the way the vehicle is constructed and how it can be used. The Provision and Use of Work Equipment 1998 also defines what has to be done to ensure the equipment - the car is being used for work purposes and is therefore classed as work equipment - is fit for the use it is intended to be put to.
Under H&S legislation, it is a requirement for any equipment or process or work activity to be risk assessed. This is supported by the Management of Health and Safety at Work Regs 1992 and subsequent amendments and the Health and Safety at Work etc Act 1974. There will be others also covering this subject.
I have not risk assessed these vehicles for the purpose they are used in this case but have for other uses in other businesses Ive been with. The assessment will take account of significant risk and put in place 'control's to either eliminate the risk (always the 1st option) or means to reduce the risk to an acceptable level. Please ask the company concerned for a copy of the risk assessment to see what their findings were and the controls that would have been introduced. You probably be told no as you don't have a devine right but sometimes firms are happy to produce the occaisonal copy.
And no, I don't work for the cctv firm or the council, before anyone asks or throws abuse at me!!

Thanks for the info.

Was just wondering as the "sleeping wardens" friend confessed that they have to sit in that position ( legs on dashboard ) because of the cramped conditions!
The smart cars I've seen daily for the last 8 months parked on Blackfen Road, the drivers sit upright..

dontfallasleep wrote:

ianc9139 wrote:
I've just had another look at the close up photo...the attendant actually has her eyes open!
The angle of the shot plus the eye makeup makes it look as though her eyes are shut but they are open!!

you just assuming she is awake,but next time definately a video,cause i know were to find them and i be hunting them just to prove it to you lot readers she was in deep sleep,i wish she can tell the truth and put you out of your misery,wy make you think i wont to take pictures of someone awake,and ask yourself if she is awake wy she's not looking at me then???
just wait for the next episode as definately is a video.
carry on the argument now boyz and girlz,and no racism comment in the future plz as you would be reported to the police as a ciber bully,by the way is the new law procecute for ciber bully.

And you're not a bully? Quote "Cause i know where to find them and i be hunting them just to prove it" Unquote. Sorry I find your actions (directed at mostly female workers) a little bit sick and twisted. If you find my opinion offensive then please feel free to invoke the 'new law' of ciber (sic) bully and report me to the police.

LNN wrote:

ianc9139 wrote:

LNN wrote:
Surely it's against health & safety rules & regs to be cramped up in a confined space as you say you are ??
I have a business on Blackfen Road, everyday I see the little smart car and not once have I seen it's driver asleep with legs a kimbo on the dash board.
So either NSL & Bexley council are breaking health & saftey regulations, or you, the friend of the sleeping driver, is telling porkies.

LNN -
Road Vehicle (Construction and Use) Regulations 1986 defines the way the vehicle is constructed and how it can be used. The Provision and Use of Work Equipment 1998 also defines what has to be done to ensure the equipment - the car is being used for work purposes and is therefore classed as work equipment - is fit for the use it is intended to be put to.
Under H&S legislation, it is a requirement for any equipment or process or work activity to be risk assessed. This is supported by the Management of Health and Safety at Work Regs 1992 and subsequent amendments and the Health and Safety at Work etc Act 1974. There will be others also covering this subject.
I have not risk assessed these vehicles for the purpose they are used in this case but have for other uses in other businesses Ive been with. The assessment will take account of significant risk and put in place 'control's to either eliminate the risk (always the 1st option) or means to reduce the risk to an acceptable level. Please ask the company concerned for a copy of the risk assessment to see what their findings were and the controls that would have been introduced. You probably be told no as you don't have a devine right but sometimes firms are happy to produce the occaisonal copy.
And no, I don't work for the cctv firm or the council, before anyone asks or throws abuse at me!!

Thanks for the info.

Was just wondering as the "sleeping wardens" friend confessed that they have to sit in that position ( legs on dashboard ) because of the cramped conditions!
The smart cars I've seen daily for the last 8 months parked on Blackfen Road, the drivers sit upright..

LLN -
I'm a trained driver assessor among my other qualifications and have been asked a number of times to do an assessment on drivers who comment upon or complain about the vehicles they drive.

I spend 2 or 3 days with them in a vehicle to develop a sense of trust by which time, the driver will have relaxed and naturally revert to their normal driving standard - anyone who knows they're being looked at will adopt a posture that is correct as far as the highway code is concerned and therefore present a false image.

90% of the time it is poor posture caused by the individual and not the vehicle.

I bet that if you could see the risk assessment, it will show somewhere that a contol measure to manage 'musculo-skeletal' issues will include the ability to get out of the vehicle and move around.

As mentioned, I've assessed these cars when working in other businesses and I've not experienced the need to sit like that. I've found them comfortable and suitable for the use they were being put to.
Personally, I wouldn't have one as I just don't like them as a model but that's my preference.
Oh, and I'm 6'4"!!!

bizzymum wrote:

dontfallasleep wrote:

ianc9139 wrote:
I've just had another look at the close up photo...the attendant actually has her eyes open!
The angle of the shot plus the eye makeup makes it look as though her eyes are shut but they are open!!

you just assuming she is awake,but next time definately a video,cause i know were to find them and i be hunting them just to prove it to you lot readers she was in deep sleep,i wish she can tell the truth and put you out of your misery,wy make you think i wont to take pictures of someone awake,and ask yourself if she is awake wy she's not looking at me then???
just wait for the next episode as definately is a video.
carry on the argument now boyz and girlz,and no racism comment in the future plz as you would be reported to the police as a ciber bully,by the way is the new law procecute for ciber bully.

And you're not a bully? Quote "Cause i know where to find them and i be hunting them just to prove it" Unquote. Sorry I find your actions (directed at mostly female workers) a little bit sick and twisted. If you find my opinion offensive then please feel free to invoke the 'new law' of ciber (sic) bully and report me to the police.

Dontfallasleep -

CALM DOWN....
It was an observation that I've made.
I maybe wrong but it's just my observation.
I wasn't there...
I can't prove one way or another...
IT'S AN OBSERVATION!!

No need to get your knickers in a twist because it goes against your opinion.

You're entitled to yours, I'm entitled to mine.

I'm sorry but I don't recall any mention of racism in the preceeding comments - but as there are over 50 of them, I'm not going back to re-read them.

Oh..and some friendly advice if you're prepared to be given it, if not don't read any further and waste more of your time.....

Be careful in filming anything, you could be in breach of the Data Protection Act by taking someones image where they can be easily identified.
There are exceptions to this but what your proposing could be seen by that individual as a breach of their privacy.
If you did that to me, I WOULD pursue you through the Courts for breach of my privacy and possibly slander as in this case you are making what could be - not saying it is or isn't but could be, an unfounded or damaging comment against my character!

It is only friendly advice so please don't come back on the attack, you could make yourself look foolish!

Read the Bexley Chronicle about Bexleys Camera Cars, that they are not legal and donot have a valid certificate to operate them.
So if anyone has had a penalty charge from one, then look into it.