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A SCHOOLBOY is nursing a broken nose after being headbutted in the street by a dog.

Now his father is backing government plans to amend the Dangerous Dogs Act to make all dog owners take out third party insurance.

Jake Almeida, 13, was on his way to pick his younger brother from school when the dog launched itself from the open front door of a house.

But his father Fernando, 39, of Radfield Way, Sidcup, said the dog should never have been out in the street uncontrolled.

He explained: “We were on our way to Our Lady of the Rosary Catholic Primary School in Blackfen, to pick up my younger son.

“I could not find anywhere to park, so Jake got out of the car with our Staffordshire bull terrier puppy Roxy, and began walking, while I found somewhere to park.”

Mr Almeida says in Holbeach Gardens, a large dog came hurtling out of the front door of a house in the street and leapt onto Roxy.

The owner and Jake struggled to pull the dog off Roxy’s back, when suddenly it lunged upwards, battering Jake in the face with its head.

Mr Almeida said the owner smacked his dog and dragged it back into the house.

When he challenged the owner about the injury to his son, Mr Almeida said the owner had replied it had been an accident and was “just one of those things".

"I told him he should have kept his dog under control and not left his door open.

“Roxy has bite marks on her back and scratches on her belly but luckily they are only superficial.”

Mr Almeida reported the incident to the police, but a Bexley police spokeswoman told News Shopper they would not be investigating.

She added: “If there are ongoing concerns or the victim's father has information that the dog is out of control, we would suggest he gives his local safer neighbourhoods policing team a call to discuss it further.

“The team may be able to give some words of advice to the owner.”

Mr Almeida said: “I would rather have third party insurance than vet’s insurance and I also think dog licences should be brought back.”

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SeeSomeSense says...
8:00am Mon 15 Mar 10

Why anyone would want to own a vicious dog like the one in the picture in the first place? Dogs like these are bred to be nasty and can turn on small children and old ladies at the drop of a hat. If stared at in a way that is unaccaptable to dogs, ANY dog can and will go on the ATTACK!!! There is no need for dogs in towns and cities and they should be housed in kennels or chained up in the yard until they are needed. Dogs should never be allowed on settees or beds either because their poo can cause blindness to infants and the infirm. Only miniature poodles should be allowed as pets.

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Make Life says...
8:01am Mon 15 Mar 10

Is there really a story here?? I think not. Dogs like to have a ply with other dogs, thats more than likley how the scratchs appeared. Also, the story says that the boy is nursing a broken nose which to me says that he still has one, where are the bruises, the swelling?

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SeeSomeSense says...
8:09am Mon 15 Mar 10

Make Life, I can understand where you are coming from on this one but a broken nose is a very painful condition and can sometimes prove fatal if the broken bone shards are pushed up into the brain from the nasal cavity. The chances of this happening is about 10-1, so this problem must be addressed quickly to prevent more injury and death. Personally, I am not a dog lover, but in no way does this prejudice me in this matter.

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Excalibur says...
8:19am Mon 15 Mar 10

What a pathetic non-story. How sad to see the Newsshopper plumb to the depths of the downmarket national tabloids and jump on board this media-perpetrated scare story.

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porkpie says...
9:55am Mon 15 Mar 10

Excalibur wrote:
What a pathetic non-story. How sad to see the Newsshopper plumb to the depths of the downmarket national tabloids and jump on board this media-perpetrated scare story.

Here here Excalibur!
SeeSomeSense - Did you come down in the last shower. When will people stop blaming dogs and start pointing at the owners.
Mr Almeida said: “I would rather have third party insurance than vet’s insurance and I also think dog licences should be brought back.” Compensation culture - because money always makes things better. Say no to dogs licences and yes to owner licences.

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SeeSomeSense says...
10:04am Mon 15 Mar 10

Last shower? Are you insulting me? It's the dogs that bite and leave urine and faeces all over the place, though going by your insult to me perhaps you do the same!!
Say NO to dog licences, NO to dog insurance and NO to people who own dogs as a replacement for something that is missing in their lives, namely children who have grown up and moved out. Do us all a favour and get a goldfish - that way your dogs won't annoy people with their constant barking everytime someone walks past the gate - then at least fewer children will end up going blind and with tummy upsets after playing in their local parks!!

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K1rky says...
10:53am Mon 15 Mar 10

"SeeSomeSense". By the sounds of it all you see is the walls of your padded cell, stop talking rubbish

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LNN says...
11:02am Mon 15 Mar 10

SeeSomeSense wrote:
Last shower? Are you insulting me? It's the dogs that bite and leave urine and faeces all over the place, though going by your insult to me perhaps you do the same!!
Say NO to dog licences, NO to dog insurance and NO to people who own dogs as a replacement for something that is missing in their lives, namely children who have grown up and moved out. Do us all a favour and get a goldfish - that way your dogs won't annoy people with their constant barking everytime someone walks past the gate - then at least fewer children will end up going blind and with tummy upsets after playing in their local parks!!

Its not just dog' faeces, its cats too!!! i don't have dog's leaving their packages in my garden but i do have other peoples rancid cats unloading their kitty-kat in my garden and their urine stinks, the flea ridden, filthy animals..Bring back the dog license and include cats on it, then maybe the owners will put them in a kennel and only use them when needed....

Toxoplasmosis: this parasite can be killed by simply worming your dog/cat, as i imagine most pet owners do anyway...

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SeeSomeSense says...
11:13am Mon 15 Mar 10

Kirky, do you always react with insults just because someone disagrees with your own point of view? Perhaps it's you who should be kept on a short leash and away from public places.

LNN, cats bury their poo far away from public places so there is very little danger of anyone catching a disease from cat faeces. Cats are clean and take pride in their appearance whereas dogs hate taking baths and smell musty and even worse when they are wet. At the risk of sounding distasteful, I think we have all seen the 'clinkers' that hang from most shaggy dogs' rear ends, haven't we? That and their dribbling mouths and wet noses - yuck!

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SE9,10,18 says...
11:24am Mon 15 Mar 10

SeeSomeSense, the name fits well... You have contradicted yourself. "If stared at in a way that is unaccaptable to dogs, ANY dog can and will go on the ATTACK!!!" and "Dogs should never be allowed on settees or beds either because their poo can cause blindness" but yet you go on to say "Only miniature poodles should be allowed as pets." So miniature poodles have special 'poo' that wont blind people. And they NEVER bite or attack. Hypocritical maybe? You obviously do not have a clue what you are talking about and have unashamedly made yourself look a fool. There is no such thing as good or bad breeds. Only good or bad owners. Good owners will have enough control over their pet that it will not harm others. A good owner will know the boundaries and will put the saefty of others first. The dog will be well fed, exercised and given appropriate care. If people cant manage that then they should not own a dog. I agree with the "owner licence" as others have said. For clarity, the dog pictured is not the attacking dog, but the pet of the family. A goldfish is probably more suited to someone like yourself so good luck with that.....

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SeeSomeSense says...
11:59am Mon 15 Mar 10

SE9, thanks for your insulting reply. Don't worry, I'm getting used to the idea that opposing views are not welcome here.

The reason I used miniature poodles as an example of an acceptable dog is because they are always carried everywhere by their owners and can be trained to use poodle-poopers. I have seen these used in France where ladies like to carry their poodles: the poodle-poopers are attached discretely to the bottom of the poodle and it's poopy is delivered into a bag which is then immediately sealed by the owner, ready to be disposed of properly. Poodles are also clipped around their rears, thus avoiding the clinkers that some shaggy dogs carry around their bottoms.

No dogs should be allowed to pee or poo in parks or gardens. Even if the owners pick up the mess, there is still a residue left on individual blades of grass, dandelion leaves, clover etc, which can be ingested by unsuspecting toddlers, people wearing sandals and picnic parties.

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LNN says...
12:05pm Mon 15 Mar 10

SeeSomeSense wrote:
Kirky, do you always react with insults just because someone disagrees with your own point of view? Perhaps it's you who should be kept on a short leash and away from public places.

LNN, cats bury their poo far away from public places so there is very little danger of anyone catching a disease from cat faeces. Cats are clean and take pride in their appearance whereas dogs hate taking baths and smell musty and even worse when they are wet. At the risk of sounding distasteful, I think we have all seen the 'clinkers' that hang from most shaggy dogs' rear ends, haven't we? That and their dribbling mouths and wet noses - yuck!

You come round my garden then, bring your gloves while your at it.... Cats and Dog's faeces both have the parasite contained in it, don't children dig in their gardens then ???????? plant seeds with mummy?????....oh look there's loads of buried cats crap.. That's ok because they bury it child, dig away....

Dogs hate taking baths.. ive yet to see one run one themselves!!!!..Cats lay there licking there backside, nice, here kitty kitty come lick my face.....You are the only one here talking faeces...Get a grip..

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SeeSomeSense says...
12:10pm Mon 15 Mar 10

It's a well-known fact that cats are cleaner than dogs so I don't really see what point you are trying to make. As for cats licking their backsides, I've lost count of the times I have seen dogs sniffing other dog's bums up close and then licking their owners all over their faces and mouths. I've even seen dog owners allowe their wretched, stinking hounds lap from their pints outside pubs in the summer. Absolutely disgusting!

Besides, cat poo rots down very quickly in soil, usually within twelve hours of being deposited and it is regarded as an excellent fertiliser by gardeners worldwide.

So to hit you with so many facts all in one day but I'm hoping you might learn something.

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pumpkinpie says...
12:27pm Mon 15 Mar 10

Far enough Seesomesense, we get the point, you don't like dogs. But as someone has said before their are only good or bad owners. A good owner will insure that their dog is probably controlled and cared for. I tell you one thing though, you would like my parents dog (who I will add did not get a dog to replace something missing in their life, we have had dogs since we were young) she does not poo or pee when she goes out for a walk. This is no word of a lie, we took her for a near on two hour walk around the woods and she did nothing. Oh and I think foxes poo is worse than dogs poo.

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LNN says...
12:31pm Mon 15 Mar 10

SeeSomeSense wrote:
It's a well-known fact that cats are cleaner than dogs so I don't really see what point you are trying to make. As for cats licking their backsides, I've lost count of the times I have seen dogs sniffing other dog's bums up close and then licking their owners all over their faces and mouths. I've even seen dog owners allowe their wretched, stinking hounds lap from their pints outside pubs in the summer. Absolutely disgusting!

Besides, cat poo rots down very quickly in soil, usually within twelve hours of being deposited and it is regarded as an excellent fertiliser by gardeners worldwide.

So to hit you with so many facts all in one day but I'm hoping you might learn something.

The point i'm making is your anti-dog, your a cat lover and you prove it everytime i've written about the flea ridden creatures...Not once have you agreed that cat faeces is dangerous, but people let them climb all over their kitchen worktops, lick/eat food left out on the sides, how filthy and unhygenic can you get.....
So what about the cats faeces on top of the soil then ? does that rot down ? i think not and as for facts, Dogs/cats faeces is worse when its dried up, the parasite then lives in the soil for months, so when the children go out and want to dig in the garden, there's a nice load of parasites waiting for them, so like i said get your gloves on, lively....Then get back to the story of the boy being headbutted eh ??

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SeeSomeSense says...
12:35pm Mon 15 Mar 10

Why would anyone want to own a dog in the first place? What do owners miss in their lives to merit giving board and lodging to such creatures? I can understand working dogs in the countryside which are kept in kennels, but rottweilers in front frooms? Come off it!

All the hassle that dog owners go through when they need to book a holiday - 'I wonder if so-and-so will look after the dog, if not we will have to put it in kennels for a fortnight'. Yeah, right. Don't people just LOVE looking after other people's animals - not! I mean, what better than to have one's house smothered in dog hairs and be forced to walk the darn thing twice a day so it can foul the footpaths and parks. Great fun for people with nothing better to do and with huge, gaping holes in their social lives but a nightmare for normal people with established homelives, children and friends.

And now we hear of a dog that doesn't pee at all. The mind boggles!

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pumpkinpie says...
12:37pm Mon 15 Mar 10

SeeSomeSense wrote:
Why would anyone want to own a dog in the first place? What do owners miss in their lives to merit giving board and lodging to such creatures? I can understand working dogs in the countryside which are kept in kennels, but rottweilers in front frooms? Come off it! All the hassle that dog owners go through when they need to book a holiday - 'I wonder if so-and-so will look after the dog, if not we will have to put it in kennels for a fortnight'. Yeah, right. Don't people just LOVE looking after other people's animals - not! I mean, what better than to have one's house smothered in dog hairs and be forced to walk the darn thing twice a day so it can foul the footpaths and parks. Great fun for people with nothing better to do and with huge, gaping holes in their social lives but a nightmare for normal people with established homelives, children and friends. And now we hear of a dog that doesn't pee at all. The mind boggles!

If you are referring to my comment I didn't say she never pees I said she doesn't pee or poo anywhere else except her own back yard.
Can I ask you a question, seesomesensem, do you own any animals?

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SeeSomeSense says...
12:39pm Mon 15 Mar 10

LNN, I still fail to understand the point you are trying to make. Are you saying that dogs are cleaner than cats and do not carry disease? If so, you are so entirely WRONG!

Leave dogs to country folk who know how to work them and house them. They also know how to despatch them once their usefullness is over - with a shotgun!!!

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SeeSomeSense says...
12:42pm Mon 15 Mar 10

pumpkinpie wrote:

SeeSomeSense wrote: Why would anyone want to own a dog in the first place? What do owners miss in their lives to merit giving board and lodging to such creatures? I can understand working dogs in the countryside which are kept in kennels, but rottweilers in front frooms? Come off it! All the hassle that dog owners go through when they need to book a holiday - 'I wonder if so-and-so will look after the dog, if not we will have to put it in kennels for a fortnight'. Yeah, right. Don't people just LOVE looking after other people's animals - not! I mean, what better than to have one's house smothered in dog hairs and be forced to walk the darn thing twice a day so it can foul the footpaths and parks. Great fun for people with nothing better to do and with huge, gaping holes in their social lives but a nightmare for normal people with established homelives, children and friends. And now we hear of a dog that doesn't pee at all. The mind boggles!
If you are referring to my comment I didn't say she never pees I said she doesn't pee or poo anywhere else except her own back yard. Can I ask you a question, seesomesensem, do you own any animals?

Yeah, right. Is that a pig flying over the rooftop?

I really do not see why I should tell you if I own animals or not. That is my business and is off-topic from this discussion.

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pumpkinpie says...
12:45pm Mon 15 Mar 10

Believe it or not but that is what she does.
I believe it is actually part of the discussion you brought up dogs being disgusting creatures but cats are fair better so please enlighten us. Go on you know you want to.

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kae says...
12:53pm Mon 15 Mar 10

Seesomesense, you also need to accept that other people have opinions. I personally cannot stand cats but appreciate that other people (oviously like yourself) do but I do not sit here and say that they're wrong for wanting a cat. Perhaps something is missing in their lives to want a cat?? I happen to own a staffie but am a sensible owner who clears up after her and I don't let her off the lead in public places. You say they shouldn't be allowed to poo or pee in parks or gardens....where do you propose they do it then?? At least a dog goes where you control it unlike cats. Even if I belived that every cat buried it's poo why should people have to have it in their gardens if they don't like cats?

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SeeSomeSense says...
12:55pm Mon 15 Mar 10

'I happen to own a staffie ...'

Enough said, Kae. Enough said.

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SeeSomeSense says...
12:58pm Mon 15 Mar 10

I wonder what else your dog does, pumpkinpie? Perhaps it has your lunch waiting for you when you get home from the shops, does it? After all, it doesn't need to go for a walk because it probably uses the lavatory and has a bubble bath afterwards!

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pumpkinpie says...
1:00pm Mon 15 Mar 10

SeeSomeSense wrote:
I wonder what else your dog does, pumpkinpie? Perhaps it has your lunch waiting for you when you get home from the shops, does it? After all, it doesn't need to go for a walk because it probably uses the lavatory and has a bubble bath afterwards!

see now you are just being silly aren't you. tut and there was me thinking I could have an intelligent conversation with you but alas its not to be.

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SeeSomeSense says...
1:02pm Mon 15 Mar 10

Well, perhaps if you'd stayed on topic we could have discussed the matter. Unfortunately, you decided to use this thread as a platform to broadcast your hatred of cats. I think it is I who should be tut-tutting, don't you?

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kae says...
1:04pm Mon 15 Mar 10

SeeSomeSense wrote:
'I happen to own a staffie ...' Enough said, Kae. Enough said.

And what exactly is that supposed to mean?

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KayKay555 says...
1:06pm Mon 15 Mar 10

SeeSomeSense......Al
l I have to say on this matter is you are a very very odd person. Personally i find people that are so against any kind of animal quite disturbing. Your comment about shooting a dog really does make me wonder if maybe you are in need of some kind of psychiatric help!!

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porkpie says...
1:06pm Mon 15 Mar 10

" cat poo rots down very quickly in soil, usually within twelve hours of being deposited and it is regarded as an excellent fertiliser by gardeners worldwide." What a load of rubbish ! I have both cats, dogs & children never had a problem with any of them.

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LNN says...
1:08pm Mon 15 Mar 10

SeeSomeSense = No dogs should be allowed to pee or poo in parks or gardens. Even if the owners pick up the mess, there is still a residue left on individual blades of grass, dandelion leaves, clover etc, which can be ingested by unsuspecting toddlers, people wearing sandals and picnic parties.

What about bird poo then ?? do your research...Birds carry Campylobacteriosis, Chlamydia psittaci, Pasteurella multocida, Histoplasma capsulatum,Salmonell
osis, and others
There are some species of birds, particularly pigeons, that carry the yeast Cryptococcus neoformans, which is known to cause pulmonary infections and meningitis..What do you suggest we do with the birds then ? kennel them ??....Like a previous comment said, your making a fool of yourself, give it up.......

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pumpkinpie says...
1:09pm Mon 15 Mar 10

SeeSomeSense wrote:
Well, perhaps if you'd stayed on topic we could have discussed the matter. Unfortunately, you decided to use this thread as a platform to broadcast your hatred of cats. I think it is I who should be tut-tutting, don't you?

Erm I think you did that before anyone else actually "Why anyone would want to own a vicious dog like the one in the picture in the first place? Dogs like these are bred to be nasty and can turn on small children and old ladies at the drop of a hat. If stared at in a way that is unaccaptable to dogs, ANY dog can and will go on the ATTACK!!! There is no need for dogs in towns and cities and they should be housed in kennels or chained up in the yard until they are needed. Dogs should never be allowed on settees or beds either because their poo can cause blindness to infants and the infirm. Only miniature poodles should be allowed as pets." and did I once state that I hated cats, erm again I don't think I did. After all my parents own three so I don't infact hate cats or dogs. So you tut all you want, you don't actually bother me with your comments which quite frankly are benign and boring and just spout the same thing over and over again. You use insults as a way of making people feel stupid and inferior, well I do feel very sorry for you indeed, when questionned by me about owning animals you didn't want to answer, fair enough but rather than be adult about it you through a childlike hissy fit. Just face it, you have been bombared by people who for whatever reason own and love dogs, you opened yourself up for that arguement, no one else. I am tired of arguing with you, I made a comment which people can agree or disagree with, I haven't got a problem with that. Maybe this all boils down to you are scared of dogs because maybe they may just be a little bit more intelligent that yourself? oh sorry was that below the belt, ah who cares.

[quote][p][bold]SeeSomeSense[/bold] wrote: Well, perhaps if you'd stayed on topic we could have discussed the matter. Unfortunately, you decided to use this thread as a platform to broadcast your hatred of cats. I think it is I who should be tut-tutting, don't you?[/p][/quote]Erm I think you did that before anyone else actually "Why anyone would want to own a vicious dog like the one in the picture in the first place? Dogs like these are bred to be nasty and can turn on small children and old ladies at the drop of a hat. If stared at in a way that is unaccaptable to dogs, ANY dog can and will go on the ATTACK!!! There is no need for dogs in towns and cities and they should be housed in kennels or chained up in the yard until they are needed. Dogs should never be allowed on settees or beds either because their poo can cause blindness to infants and the infirm. Only miniature poodles should be allowed as pets." and did I once state that I hated cats, erm again I don't think I did. After all my parents own three so I don't infact hate cats or dogs. So you tut all you want, you don't actually bother me with your comments which quite frankly are benign and boring and just spout the same thing over and over again. You use insults as a way of making people feel stupid and inferior, well I do feel very sorry for you indeed, when questionned by me about owning animals you didn't want to answer, fair enough but rather than be adult about it you through a childlike hissy fit. Just face it, you have been bombared by people who for whatever reason own and love dogs, you opened yourself up for that arguement, no one else. I am tired of arguing with you, I made a comment which people can agree or disagree with, I haven't got a problem with that. Maybe this all boils down to you are scared of dogs because maybe they may just be a little bit more intelligent that yourself? oh sorry was that below the belt, ah who cares. pumpkinpie

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SeeSomeSense says...
1:13pm Mon 15 Mar 10

'Maybe this all boils down to you are scared of dogs because maybe they may just be a little bit more intelligent that yourself? oh sorry was that below the belt, ah who cares.'

I wondered how long it would take this person to turn nasty. It didn't take long at all, did it. How disappointing that pumpkinpie had to resort to insults. Typical of the anti-cat, pooch-supporting tyrants that let their dogs run riot in our parks and spread disease to our children.

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Local lady says...
1:17pm Mon 15 Mar 10

Another 'let's take a pop at dog owners article' from the News Shopper. There is some rubbish written in the above quotes. The Staffie is a lovely breed - in the right hands (as are all dogs).
Dog mess will not blind or kill a child - it is cat mess that is the problem.
Accidents happen but sadly in this 'sue for megabucks' world we live in the parents of the boy think they are on to a winner.
Any dog owner knows that when two dogs get together in an unfriendly manner you do not step in and intervene.

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KayKay555 says...
1:17pm Mon 15 Mar 10

SeeSomeSense - your just out to wind people up aren't you. I seriously think that you have registed on this site as a joke. I cannot believe that anyone that was even slightly serious would make such a fool of themselves!! Actually quite amusing now!! haha

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Atmydesk says...
1:19pm Mon 15 Mar 10

What drivel you are spouting, It is clear from your comments that you are a cat lover and willnot have anything said against the dirty little flea-bitten creatures that spend all their time in other peoples property leaving their crap everywhere, A point that needs to be mentioned in response to your comment is: In built up urban areas we have a lot of urban foxes, now you will find out if you searched a bit or indeed knew as much about cats as you claim too, that a cat will almost always try to eradicate the scent of the fox whenever they come across it. How do they do this? They do it by depositing urine and faeces over the discovered scent.
Have you ever smelt a tomcat, they have an extremely strong ammonia smelling urine, which they deposit everywhere they detect a female cat, that smells worse then a mens public toilet that hasnt been cleaned for months.
Also if you have young children, particulary babies, you will find the cat will attempt to smother the baby by curling up on its face.
As for your claims about noise, I have far more of a problem with the continual wailing that cats do throughout the night.
Yes I am a dog owner, but im a responsible dog owner, I have an American Bulldog.
She is microchipped and DNA registered, I also possess a £1,000,000 public liability insurance policy on said dog, she is extremely well trained and is never walked in public without a lead and muzzle.
I also have 4 children the youngest of which is 3 years old and has grown up with my dog, I trust my dog implicitly.
What I do have issues with, however, is parents attitudes towards dogs these days. I can be walking my dog down the road and you will see a mother approaching with a young child, I shorten my lead to enable greater control and to let my dog know she is to remain at my side. The parent will then swing their child out of the way of the dog and try to shield the child as though it was a wild lion approaching. All this is doing is instilling fear in the child.
I also take exception at the amount of people that assume it is OK to shove their hand in your dogs face and attempt to stroke it without obtaining your consent first! I always say to these people "You wouldnt put your hand in a lions face, would you?" The reply is always "No" to which I say "So why do it to a dog you do not know"

I welcome the re-introduction of the dog licence. I also believe you should only be able to buy a dog from a registered breeder, who will have already microchipped the puppy before you purchase. No-one under 18 should be able to own a dog and you should be able to produce proof of your dogs basic obedience training when asked for by someone official. Perhaps dogs should also be required to be DNA registered, this will stop all the unscrupulous people who will simply apply the dog registration papers to another dog.
It is sad to see the amount of dogs that are owned by Stella drinking, cannabis smoking teenagers who own dogs as some sort of badge of honour.
My family bred Dobermann Pinchers for 20 years and i myself am very experienced in handling a dog.
Again this is a case for punish the deed not the breed.

www.dogbiteclaims.co
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gerous-breeds.html

Check out this website for dog bite statistics and I bet you will be surprised by the figures, the dogs most likely to bite ARE NOT the STAFFS, BULLDOGS or ROTTWEILLERS. It is so unfair to demonise these dogs and I believe they are being unfairly portrayed in the media

What drivel you are spouting, It is clear from your comments that you are a cat lover and willnot have anything said against the dirty little flea-bitten creatures that spend all their time in other peoples property leaving their crap everywhere, A point that needs to be mentioned in response to your comment is: In built up urban areas we have a lot of urban foxes, now you will find out if you searched a bit or indeed knew as much about cats as you claim too, that a cat will almost always try to eradicate the scent of the fox whenever they come across it. How do they do this? They do it by depositing urine and faeces over the discovered scent. Have you ever smelt a tomcat, they have an extremely strong ammonia smelling urine, which they deposit everywhere they detect a female cat, that smells worse then a mens public toilet that hasnt been cleaned for months. Also if you have young children, particulary babies, you will find the cat will attempt to smother the baby by curling up on its face. As for your claims about noise, I have far more of a problem with the continual wailing that cats do throughout the night. Yes I am a dog owner, but im a responsible dog owner, I have an American Bulldog. She is microchipped and DNA registered, I also possess a £1,000,000 public liability insurance policy on said dog, she is extremely well trained and is never walked in public without a lead and muzzle. I also have 4 children the youngest of which is 3 years old and has grown up with my dog, I trust my dog implicitly. What I do have issues with, however, is parents attitudes towards dogs these days. I can be walking my dog down the road and you will see a mother approaching with a young child, I shorten my lead to enable greater control and to let my dog know she is to remain at my side. The parent will then swing their child out of the way of the dog and try to shield the child as though it was a wild lion approaching. All this is doing is instilling fear in the child. I also take exception at the amount of people that assume it is OK to shove their hand in your dogs face and attempt to stroke it without obtaining your consent first! I always say to these people "You wouldnt put your hand in a lions face, would you?" The reply is always "No" to which I say "So why do it to a dog you do not know" I welcome the re-introduction of the dog licence. I also believe you should only be able to buy a dog from a registered breeder, who will have already microchipped the puppy before you purchase. No-one under 18 should be able to own a dog and you should be able to produce proof of your dogs basic obedience training when asked for by someone official. Perhaps dogs should also be required to be DNA registered, this will stop all the unscrupulous people who will simply apply the dog registration papers to another dog. It is sad to see the amount of dogs that are owned by Stella drinking, cannabis smoking teenagers who own dogs as some sort of badge of honour. My family bred Dobermann Pinchers for 20 years and i myself am very experienced in handling a dog. Again this is a case for punish the deed not the breed. www.dogbiteclaims.co .uk/compensation/dan gerous-breeds.html Check out this website for dog bite statistics and I bet you will be surprised by the figures, the dogs most likely to bite ARE NOT the STAFFS, BULLDOGS or ROTTWEILLERS. It is so unfair to demonise these dogs and I believe they are being unfairly portrayed in the media Atmydesk

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SeeSomeSense says...
1:20pm Mon 15 Mar 10

'The Staffie is a lovely breed - in the right hands ...'

Unfortuantely, the kind of hands that like Staffs are usually the ones that are covered in tattoos.

KayKay555, if it amuses you to think so, please go right ahead. It's a shame you could find nothing more topic-related to say.

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SeeSomeSense says...
1:23pm Mon 15 Mar 10

I'll give a prize to anyone who can successfully read more than three lines of Atmydesk's comment of almost book proportions without falling into a deep sleep for the rest of the day. I read three and a half and felt myself nodding off.

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KayKay555 says...
1:23pm Mon 15 Mar 10

Topic related....Are you actually joking me....I really don't see how ANYTHING that you are saying is related to a young boy getting headbutted by a dog....please!!! lol

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SeeSomeSense says...
1:26pm Mon 15 Mar 10

KayKay555, why do you insist in trying to bait me? Instead, listen to your own advice and actually say something that is topic-related. I realise you are perhaps a little bored and have nothing better to do but if you have exhausted your point, would you please leave the thread to people who would like to discuss the subject matter.

Thank you.

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kae says...
1:33pm Mon 15 Mar 10

SeeSomeSense wrote:
'The Staffie is a lovely breed - in the right hands ...' Unfortuantely, the kind of hands that like Staffs are usually the ones that are covered in tattoos. KayKay555, if it amuses you to think so, please go right ahead. It's a shame you could find nothing more topic-related to say.

This is where people should not judge passed on dog breed. When I mentioned earlier that I happen to own a Staffie you said 'Enough said' as if I am typical tattoo covered, Stella drinking chave but for your information I am a 28 year old married woman whose husband owns his own business. Why you seem to think you have the right to be so critical and judgmental about what other people choose to keep as a pet is beyond me!!

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LNN says...
1:37pm Mon 15 Mar 10

SeeSomeSense wrote:
'The Staffie is a lovely breed - in the right hands ...'

Unfortuantely, the kind of hands that like Staffs are usually the ones that are covered in tattoos.

KayKay555, if it amuses you to think so, please go right ahead. It's a shame you could find nothing more topic-related to say.

Yet again you've contradicted yourself

''Why anyone would want to own a vicious dog like the one in the picture in the first place?''

You've insulted a few people on here, maybe because you thought you knew about the subject you started and it turns out you don't.. All you have done is insight hatred towards Dog's and there owners, your initial comment suggesting its only dog faeces that harm children is totally wrong and you know it...Your comments are tedious, read what people are saying, answer the facts on a subject you started...

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SeeSomeSense says...
1:42pm Mon 15 Mar 10

LNN wrote:

SeeSomeSense wrote: 'The Staffie is a lovely breed - in the right hands ...' Unfortuantely, the kind of hands that like Staffs are usually the ones that are covered in tattoos. KayKay555, if it amuses you to think so, please go right ahead. It's a shame you could find nothing more topic-related to say.
Yet again you've contradicted yourself ''Why anyone would want to own a vicious dog like the one in the picture in the first place?'' You've insulted a few people on here, maybe because you thought you knew about the subject you started and it turns out you don't.. All you have done is insight hatred towards Dog's and there owners, your initial comment suggesting its only dog faeces that harm children is totally wrong and you know it...Your comments are tedious, read what people are saying, answer the facts on a subject you started...

Well, someone obviously stepped in something rather nasty after getting up on the wrong side of the bed this morning, didn't they? I wonder if it was a bit of doggy poop.

'Why you seem to think you have the right to be so critical and judgmental about what other people choose to keep as a pet is beyond me!!'

Because it is a free country, that's why.

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KayKay555 says...
1:43pm Mon 15 Mar 10

SeeSomeSense wrote:
KayKay555, why do you insist in trying to bait me? Instead, listen to your own advice and actually say something that is topic-related. I realise you are perhaps a little bored and have nothing better to do but if you have exhausted your point, would you please leave the thread to people who would like to discuss the subject matter. Thank you.

SeeSomeSense, Please do not try and tell me what to do! For some reason you think you are far superior to anybody else on this thread, although I beg to differ. You are questioning that I am a little bored and have nothing better to do? I think you should think before you speak love because I am not the one that has been commenting about a load of non topic related old rubbish since 8.00am this morning am I??!! No thought not so maybe you need to re-evaluate you spend your time!!

As for the ACTUAL topic of the thread, I think it is a shame that the boy's nose is broken but I don't really feel that it is worthy of a story. At the end of the day the dog came out of the house to another dog not to attack the boy. Although i agree that the door should have been shut I don't think it is anywhere near as news worthy as the story about the 90 year old lady that sustanined horric injuries from a dog.

SeeSomeSense for your information the reason I have not commented on the topic so far as it seemed pointless, you are not willing to consider anybody elses opinion on anything unless it agrees directly with yours. No doubt you will disagree with mine!

But in your very own words i think maybe you should "please leave the thread to people who would like to discuss the subject matter."

What do you think!!!????

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pumpkinpie says...
1:44pm Mon 15 Mar 10

SeeSomeSense wrote:
'Maybe this all boils down to you are scared of dogs because maybe they may just be a little bit more intelligent that yourself? oh sorry was that below the belt, ah who cares.' I wondered how long it would take this person to turn nasty. It didn't take long at all, did it. How disappointing that pumpkinpie had to resort to insults. Typical of the anti-cat, pooch-supporting tyrants that let their dogs run riot in our parks and spread disease to our children.

I didn't turn nasty at all, just an observation. And as I said I am not anti cat, my parents own three. Please just go away I thik you are boring a lot of people with your comments.

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KayKay555 says...
1:47pm Mon 15 Mar 10

Wow we have had a whole 4 minutes without a post from SeeSomeSense. Maybe she finally has seen some sense and got lost, or maybe her internet timed out after commenting for 6hours!!! lol

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LNN says...
1:51pm Mon 15 Mar 10

SeeSomeSense wrote:

LNN wrote:

SeeSomeSense wrote: 'The Staffie is a lovely breed - in the right hands ...' Unfortuantely, the kind of hands that like Staffs are usually the ones that are covered in tattoos. KayKay555, if it amuses you to think so, please go right ahead. It's a shame you could find nothing more topic-related to say.
Yet again you've contradicted yourself ''Why anyone would want to own a vicious dog like the one in the picture in the first place?'' You've insulted a few people on here, maybe because you thought you knew about the subject you started and it turns out you don't.. All you have done is insight hatred towards Dog's and there owners, your initial comment suggesting its only dog faeces that harm children is totally wrong and you know it...Your comments are tedious, read what people are saying, answer the facts on a subject you started...
Well, someone obviously stepped in something rather nasty after getting up on the wrong side of the bed this morning, didn't they? I wonder if it was a bit of doggy poop.

'Why you seem to think you have the right to be so critical and judgmental about what other people choose to keep as a pet is beyond me!!'

Because it is a free country, that's why.

Why can't you answer questions that were put before you ??????????

You resort to playground talk, how intelligent of you..
Your satirical wit doesn't become you, you started this, research your facts, then come up with something readable, your drifting well away from what you first said...And as for being critical, read what you write...

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SeeSomeSense says...
1:52pm Mon 15 Mar 10

If you are bored then simply don't read my comments, pumpkin. But then if you did that, you wouldn't have anything else to do, would you?

What baring does the fact that your parents have three cats have on this discussion? Can't one's parents have cats that one absolutely hates or does mummy and daddy tell you what you can and can't like?

I don't like dogs fouling parks and pavements but I didn't need to ring my mum to ask her if it was okay to say that on here.

KayKay, it's obvious that you just like reading your own 'pearls' of wisdom. You truly are a legend - in your own mind.

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SeeSomeSense says...
1:53pm Mon 15 Mar 10

Right, it's off to the shops for me. I hope I don't tread in any doggy poop on the way. I'm sure you can all get together and congratulate one another in my absence. Really quite pathetic in a shambolic way.

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KayKay555 says...
1:55pm Mon 15 Mar 10

SeeSomeSense wrote:
If you are bored then simply don't read my comments, pumpkin. But then if you did that, you wouldn't have anything else to do, would you? What baring does the fact that your parents have three cats have on this discussion? Can't one's parents have cats that one absolutely hates or does mummy and daddy tell you what you can and can't like? I don't like dogs fouling parks and pavements but I didn't need to ring my mum to ask her if it was okay to say that on here. KayKay, it's obvious that you just like reading your own 'pearls' of wisdom. You truly are a legend - in your own mind.

Oh hang on a minute....was that a post from SeeSomeSense that wasn't topic related?? How very dare you?! Are you going to answer any of the questions that people are asking you or just continue with the same offensive rubbish you have been going on about all morning?

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pumpkinpie says...
1:56pm Mon 15 Mar 10

SeeSomeSense wrote:
If you are bored then simply don't read my comments, pumpkin. But then if you did that, you wouldn't have anything else to do, would you? What baring does the fact that your parents have three cats have on this discussion? Can't one's parents have cats that one absolutely hates or does mummy and daddy tell you what you can and can't like? I don't like dogs fouling parks and pavements but I didn't need to ring my mum to ask her if it was okay to say that on here. KayKay, it's obvious that you just like reading your own 'pearls' of wisdom. You truly are a legend - in your own mind.

Well you are saying I am anti cat, not true as I have grown up with them all my life. "I don't like dogs fouling parks and pavements but I didn't need to ring my mum to ask her if it was okay to say that on here" What are you trying to imply?
I have plenty to do but it is just so much fun watching you dig a bigger hole.

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LNN says...
1:59pm Mon 15 Mar 10

''Really quite pathetic in a shambolic way. ''
Yes you are, that's the first comment i can say you've actually written that's true..... Don't rush back now will you...

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kae says...
2:00pm Mon 15 Mar 10

SeeSomeSense wrote:

LNN wrote:
SeeSomeSense wrote: 'The Staffie is a lovely breed - in the right hands ...' Unfortuantely, the kind of hands that like Staffs are usually the ones that are covered in tattoos. KayKay555, if it amuses you to think so, please go right ahead. It's a shame you could find nothing more topic-related to say.
Yet again you've contradicted yourself ''Why anyone would want to own a vicious dog like the one in the picture in the first place?'' You've insulted a few people on here, maybe because you thought you knew about the subject you started and it turns out you don't.. All you have done is insight hatred towards Dog's and there owners, your initial comment suggesting its only dog faeces that harm children is totally wrong and you know it...Your comments are tedious, read what people are saying, answer the facts on a subject you started...
Well, someone obviously stepped in something rather nasty after getting up on the wrong side of the bed this morning, didn't they? I wonder if it was a bit of doggy poop. 'Why you seem to think you have the right to be so critical and judgmental about what other people choose to keep as a pet is beyond me!!' Because it is a free country, that's why.

Seesomesense I agree you're entitled to your own opinion but why do you have to be so vindictive and insulting with it. You're talking about taking guns to dogs and all sorts!!! That's not the rational mind of someone who appreciates other people are also entitled to their own opinion. Seems you are so pro cat how would you like it if I talked about shooting any cat that wandered into my garden?

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Atmydesk says...
2:05pm Mon 15 Mar 10

"See Some sense"
I think everyone should report you to the News Shopper for your all so obvious attempts at incitement.
All of your comments are direct attacks at people who do not agree with your blatantly biased views.
Atleast with my comment I provide evidence of my claims, the reason you could not read more then 3 lines into my comment is because it directly attacked your blinkered views on cats and you realised I was correct in what i wrote.
I still dont know how it progressed into this as the story is simply about a boisterous dog jumping up and catching a 13 yr old in the nose (Who, shouldnt have been in charge of a dog in the first place)

See Some Sense (I very much doubt it!) perhaps you should do some in depth reading before you decide to try to incite hatred towards dogs.
I doubt you will stop with your attempts to tarnish dogs, and to be honest I dont want you to. It is amusing to see how wrong you are.

Dog faeces can transmit a number of bacteria and parasites to people, including roundworms, hookworms, whipworms, cryptosporidia, Giardia, Salmonella and Campylobacter.

Cats can transmit several diseases via faeces, scratches or bites. These include Cat Scratch Disease and Bacillary Angiomatosis (BA), bacterial infections (Salmonella and Campylobacter), some intestinal parasites (Giardia, Cryptosporidium, hookworms, and roundworms), and, in very rare cases, plague.

There is also a risk of toxoplasmosis, an infection caused by a parasite. Though toxoplasmosis generally only causes mild symptoms in healthy adults, it is a risk to pregnant women because it can cause birth defects and miscarriages.

Cats are able to transmit infections through mediums other then their faeces, ie scratches and bites and as a cat owner you will know that cats have a tendancy to scratch, all this in my opinion makes cats worse then dogs in terms of their ability to transmit infection.

This is the last I will write on this subject, most of the comments on this article have been taken in a direction they should not have been and that is all due to you "See Some Sense".
I appeal to you "See Some Sense" to take advice from your moniker and See some sense.

"See Some sense" I think everyone should report you to the News Shopper for your all so obvious attempts at incitement. All of your comments are direct attacks at people who do not agree with your blatantly biased views. Atleast with my comment I provide evidence of my claims, the reason you could not read more then 3 lines into my comment is because it directly attacked your blinkered views on cats and you realised I was correct in what i wrote. I still dont know how it progressed into this as the story is simply about a boisterous dog jumping up and catching a 13 yr old in the nose (Who, shouldnt have been in charge of a dog in the first place) See Some Sense (I very much doubt it!) perhaps you should do some in depth reading before you decide to try to incite hatred towards dogs. I doubt you will stop with your attempts to tarnish dogs, and to be honest I dont want you to. It is amusing to see how wrong you are. Dog faeces can transmit a number of bacteria and parasites to people, including roundworms, hookworms, whipworms, cryptosporidia, Giardia, Salmonella and Campylobacter. Cats can transmit several diseases via faeces, scratches or bites. These include Cat Scratch Disease and Bacillary Angiomatosis (BA), bacterial infections (Salmonella and Campylobacter), some intestinal parasites (Giardia, Cryptosporidium, hookworms, and roundworms), and, in very rare cases, plague. There is also a risk of toxoplasmosis, an infection caused by a parasite. Though toxoplasmosis generally only causes mild symptoms in healthy adults, it is a risk to pregnant women because it can cause birth defects and miscarriages. Cats are able to transmit infections through mediums other then their faeces, ie scratches and bites and as a cat owner you will know that cats have a tendancy to scratch, all this in my opinion makes cats worse then dogs in terms of their ability to transmit infection. This is the last I will write on this subject, most of the comments on this article have been taken in a direction they should not have been and that is all due to you "See Some Sense". I appeal to you "See Some Sense" to take advice from your moniker and See some sense. Atmydesk

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SeeSomeSense says...
2:08pm Mon 15 Mar 10

Tut, tut. When will they EVER learn?

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pumpkinpie says...
2:11pm Mon 15 Mar 10

SeeSomeSense wrote:
Tut, tut. When will they EVER learn?

Thought you were going to the shops?

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Mrs Car-potts says...
2:32pm Mon 15 Mar 10

I've spent the last hour laughing at these comments - namely SeeSomeSense (you need medical care for your split personality condition). I have a staffie and she isn't a replacement for anything missing in my life. Like other dogs, she doesn't poo in the street either - that's just the way she is - she likes to poo in her own back yard! She does however really, really, really want to bite the heads off the cats and foxes that poo in her back yard.

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Mrs Car-potts says...
2:35pm Mon 15 Mar 10

hahahahahaha....
sorry, just seen the comment from SeeSomeSense re: 'only minature poodles should be allowed as pets'........

SeeSomeSense = crazy as a coconut!

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Tmcd says...
5:15pm Mon 15 Mar 10

Personally I think its a mixture of bad owners and dangerous dogs that are getting to become the main problem. yes, a dog is affected by how it is brought up but you have rarely (if ever) heard of a king charles spaniel ravaging a child.

It would be wrong to assume that all owners of, lets call them, non dangerous dogs, are all good owners. we can also not assume that all owners of dangerous dogs are bad owners.

its like a bomb, put a non dangerous dog with a bad owner (a fuse) and its pretty harmless as would be putting a good owner with a more dangerous dog (dynamite). Its when you get a bad owner with a dangerous dog that there is the potential for something explosive.

I think any person that wants a dangerous dog (i see that as any breed of dog that has the potential to cause damage to a person) should pay to have a licence to keep them. I suppose like a driving licence where they would have to do a course and have to pass an exam. that would then stop this youth culture just going out and getting a dangerous dog for the purposes of intimidating people, yet not persecute the genuine dog lovers and general good owners.

sorry if it seems a bit disjointed but i very really comment on things so please, go easy on me!

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onthehushhush says...
5:35pm Mon 15 Mar 10

You lot do get your knickers in a twist. For the dog lovers - love 'em myself, but some of you do need to remember the poo bags when you take Fido out for a walk and accept that there are some people who should never be allowed to keep a dog, be it a pug or a pit bull. For the cat lovers - they don't always bury their poo you know. For the children can do no wrong brigade - my dogs were flea treated, wormed, innoculated, insured and house
trained. Can you say the same for your nitty haired, germ spreading little charmers?
Live and let live. We're all a bit revolting sometimes!

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officegirl24 says...
5:50pm Mon 15 Mar 10

It's all very well saying about making it law for dog owners to have dog licences and insurances and micro-chipping their animals in order to clamp down on dangerous and irresponsible dog ownership, but people seem to be missing the pointe here. Most responsible owners who care about their dogs will do this anyway, whether it is law or not, the people this is aimed at are the same people that drive cars with no licence or insurance, whohave tv's with no tv licences etc. etc. so what makes anyone think that they will licence and insure a dog?! The answer is that they wont. Most of the 'status dogs' that are causing these news stories have probably been bought from unregistered breeders from the back room of someone who is trying to make a little bit of extra money on the side to top up their income so even if this law comes in, you will never be able to keep tabs on all of the dogs bred and sold through channels like that. The heart of this proposed law is in the right place, but unfortunately, in reality the only people it will effect are the responsible people who are not the ones that are causing the problems!

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SE9,10,18 says...
6:39pm Mon 15 Mar 10

I agree to some extent but we cant let things continue as they are now. This wasnt a status dog being walked down the street by some chav, it was a dog that was not being supervised adequately that escaped from its house. The dog never attacked the boy. The boy got hurt as he and another man tried to seperate the 2 brawling dogs. He was "head-butted" so clearly it wasnt intentional. It was an accident. But it was also preventable. 1) By the father of the boy - he should not have been walking the dog alone. 2) By the owner of the escaped dog - the dog should not have been roaming the streets alone. Licensing would not improve things immediately, but in the long run - yes it can. The chavs/hooligans that use dogs as a status symbol will not want the hassle of being stopped by the police and asked to produce paperwork. SeeSomeSense - please just crawl back under your sad, old, pathetic stone. The only faeces that poses a risk to your health is your own, for I fear your head is wedged firmly up your backside.

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Atmydesk says...
11:28pm Mon 15 Mar 10

officegirl24 wrote:
It's all very well saying about making it law for dog owners to have dog licences and insurances and micro-chipping their animals in order to clamp down on dangerous and irresponsible dog ownership, but people seem to be missing the pointe here. Most responsible owners who care about their dogs will do this anyway, whether it is law or not, the people this is aimed at are the same people that drive cars with no licence or insurance, whohave tv's with no tv licences etc. etc. so what makes anyone think that they will licence and insure a dog?! The answer is that they wont. Most of the 'status dogs' that are causing these news stories have probably been bought from unregistered breeders from the back room of someone who is trying to make a little bit of extra money on the side to top up their income so even if this law comes in, you will never be able to keep tabs on all of the dogs bred and sold through channels like that. The heart of this proposed law is in the right place, but unfortunately, in reality the only people it will effect are the responsible people who are not the ones that are causing the problems!

The reason behind having your dog Microchipped, insured, registered and DNA confirmed is to stop the 15 yr old kids and the gang members from owning what is basically an offensive weapon.
If you cannot produce the correct papers for your animal when demanded (At a police station within 7 days, like with cars) then you should lose your dog, it is that simple.
The responsible dog owners, that truly care for their extra family member will have no problems at all conforming with legislation that makes the above law. As I have said before in other dog related articles, if you and your Dog are stopped and the police or other relevant official scan your dog using a handheld scanner and no microchip is present, that will be the first indicator that all is not right with your animal and as such should be removed until it has been confirmed one way or the other. The cost of this is not prohibitive, you can have your dog chipped in many pet shops for less then £20.
I have also mentioned that only registered breeders should be allowed to breed and sell puppies, which will all have been chipped as part of their breeding agreement, that way any dog without a microchip will have come from an unregistered breeder and should be removed.
They do the same thing with uninsured drivers and use technology to identify these offenders and regulary take cars from these illegal drivers.
I believe that the only people that would be against such measures are the ones who are breeding dogs from their backroom, or who are breeding dogs for fighting or own a dog for reasons other then having a pet. I have heard teenager comment that they have a staff because they will get nicked if they carry a knife on them, a dog can do so much more damage then a knife!
I remember seeing a programme on BBC3 not so long ago called "My weapon is a dog" The majority of participants were under 20 and all owned what many are now calling "Status Dogs"

If you are operating within the law you have nothing to worry about, all responsible dog owners would welcome changes to the current laws regarding dogs, something has to be done and soon to stop the further vilification of dogs. As things stand the problem is only going to get worse. We already have a disproportionate amount of young children who display absolute terror upon seeing a dog and im afraid this situation is being caused by over zealous parents, who pull their children away from any dog that crosses their path, often telling their small child to "Be careful because that dog might bite you"
This problem is only going to get resolved by new legislation along the lines mentioned above.

[quote][p][bold]officegirl24[/bold] wrote: It's all very well saying about making it law for dog owners to have dog licences and insurances and micro-chipping their animals in order to clamp down on dangerous and irresponsible dog ownership, but people seem to be missing the pointe here. Most responsible owners who care about their dogs will do this anyway, whether it is law or not, the people this is aimed at are the same people that drive cars with no licence or insurance, whohave tv's with no tv licences etc. etc. so what makes anyone think that they will licence and insure a dog?! The answer is that they wont. Most of the 'status dogs' that are causing these news stories have probably been bought from unregistered breeders from the back room of someone who is trying to make a little bit of extra money on the side to top up their income so even if this law comes in, you will never be able to keep tabs on all of the dogs bred and sold through channels like that. The heart of this proposed law is in the right place, but unfortunately, in reality the only people it will effect are the responsible people who are not the ones that are causing the problems![/p][/quote]The reason behind having your dog Microchipped, insured, registered and DNA confirmed is to stop the 15 yr old kids and the gang members from owning what is basically an offensive weapon. If you cannot produce the correct papers for your animal when demanded (At a police station within 7 days, like with cars) then you should lose your dog, it is that simple. The responsible dog owners, that truly care for their extra family member will have no problems at all conforming with legislation that makes the above law. As I have said before in other dog related articles, if you and your Dog are stopped and the police or other relevant official scan your dog using a handheld scanner and no microchip is present, that will be the first indicator that all is not right with your animal and as such should be removed until it has been confirmed one way or the other. The cost of this is not prohibitive, you can have your dog chipped in many pet shops for less then £20. I have also mentioned that only registered breeders should be allowed to breed and sell puppies, which will all have been chipped as part of their breeding agreement, that way any dog without a microchip will have come from an unregistered breeder and should be removed. They do the same thing with uninsured drivers and use technology to identify these offenders and regulary take cars from these illegal drivers. I believe that the only people that would be against such measures are the ones who are breeding dogs from their backroom, or who are breeding dogs for fighting or own a dog for reasons other then having a pet. I have heard teenager comment that they have a staff because they will get nicked if they carry a knife on them, a dog can do so much more damage then a knife! I remember seeing a programme on BBC3 not so long ago called "My weapon is a dog" The majority of participants were under 20 and all owned what many are now calling "Status Dogs" If you are operating within the law you have nothing to worry about, all responsible dog owners would welcome changes to the current laws regarding dogs, something has to be done and soon to stop the further vilification of dogs. As things stand the problem is only going to get worse. We already have a disproportionate amount of young children who display absolute terror upon seeing a dog and im afraid this situation is being caused by over zealous parents, who pull their children away from any dog that crosses their path, often telling their small child to "Be careful because that dog might bite you" This problem is only going to get resolved by new legislation along the lines mentioned above. Atmydesk

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Let's Agree To Differ says...
11:51pm Mon 15 Mar 10

SeeSomeSense you have brightened up my day. Fantastic! It's a long time since a 'news' story was so much fun.

I do hope you are planning on becoming a regular contributor to NS. ;-)

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SeeSomeSense says...
7:43am Tue 16 Mar 10

Thank you, Let's Agree. I'm glad my straightforward, no nonsense and very sensible approach brought a smile to your lips. I also hope I have educated the masses on the dangers of dog poop/pee-pee.

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LNN says...
8:10am Tue 16 Mar 10

SeeSomeSense wrote:
Thank you, Let's Agree. I'm glad my straightforward, no nonsense and very sensible approach brought a smile to your lips. I also hope I have educated the masses on the dangers of dog poop/pee-pee.

And you neglected to admit that cat's faeces is also a danger, same as bird droppings are, on blades of grass, dandelions and clover...!! You educated the masses lol, you do make me laugh...

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SeeSomeSense says...
11:33am Tue 16 Mar 10

Really? Then how fortunate I am that you spend your whole life sitting in front of your screen monitoring this news story.

Of course, if ingested, cat faeces is harmful but cats do not poo directly onto lawns and in parks - dogs DO! Depending on the quality of the cat's food, its faeces will rot down into the soil in 12 hours or less. Yes, cats are so clean that they bury their poop unlike dogs who leave piles of excrement for unsuspecting men, women and children to step in.

Dogs also smell and cats don't. That's another FACT!

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pumpkinpie says...
11:45am Tue 16 Mar 10

Seesomesense - where do you source your facts from? Sorry I work in an industry that depends on reliable sources of fact an can not simply except FACT in capital letters as the truth.

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SeeSomeSense says...
11:52am Tue 16 Mar 10

pumpkinpie wrote:
Seesomesense - where do you source your facts from? Sorry I work in an industry that depends on reliable sources of fact an can not simply except FACT in capital letters as the truth.

Your industry can't be a very busy one if all you day is monitor this story waiting for me to leave a comment, can it? It took you only 12 minutes to publish your latest response, so judging by its content and length, I approximate that you took about 30 seconds thinking about what to write and 11.5 minutes actually typing it.

I pity your employer and wonders if he/she knows that you spend your day wasting company time.

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pumpkinpie says...
11:57am Tue 16 Mar 10

SeeSomeSense wrote:

pumpkinpie wrote: Seesomesense - where do you source your facts from? Sorry I work in an industry that depends on reliable sources of fact an can not simply except FACT in capital letters as the truth.
Your industry can't be a very busy one if all you day is monitor this story waiting for me to leave a comment, can it? It took you only 12 minutes to publish your latest response, so judging by its content and length, I approximate that you took about 30 seconds thinking about what to write and 11.5 minutes actually typing it. I pity your employer and wonders if he/she knows that you spend your day wasting company time.

are you not going to answer the question but just slate me. For all you know I may be on annual leave or maybe off sick, or on my lunch hour, neither of the above are any of your business.
Don't pity my employer, they know what I do, they I do my job and do it very well I may like to add.
As I said I asked a question on where you obtained your facts, so would you like to enlighten us or just carrying on throwing insults?

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SeeSomeSense says...
12:09pm Tue 16 Mar 10

Or perhaps you find yourself unemployed. Then again, perhaps you are self-employed because no employer will touch you. So many possibilities. Are you a lollipop lady/man by any chance? I know the money's not great but the hours are good.

You are getting quicker: only 3 minutes to get back that time. Let's see if you can beat your record.

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pumpkinpie says...
12:12pm Tue 16 Mar 10

SeeSomeSense wrote:
Or perhaps you find yourself unemployed. Then again, perhaps you are self-employed because no employer will touch you. So many possibilities. Are you a lollipop lady/man by any chance? I know the money's not great but the hours are good. You are getting quicker: only 3 minutes to get back that time. Let's see if you can beat your record.

ah seesomesense I see you took the easy way out and decided to through insults so on that note I am not going to waste anymore of my time. Would have been nice if you could just answer a question without an insult. (by the way did I beat my record?)

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SeeSomeSense says...
12:14pm Tue 16 Mar 10

Aww, Pumpkinpie has failed to beat his/her own record. It remains at 3 minutes, but I'm sure we wish him/her better luck next time.

Pumpkin has not failed completely as he/she has successfully managed to keep the discussion completely off-topic from the original story. That in itself is an achievement.

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pumpkinpie says...
12:16pm Tue 16 Mar 10

SeeSomeSense wrote:
Aww, Pumpkinpie has failed to beat his/her own record. It remains at 3 minutes, but I'm sure we wish him/her better luck next time. Pumpkin has not failed completely as he/she has successfully managed to keep the discussion completely off-topic from the original story. That in itself is an achievement.

You achieved that well before me. Well done you clever little sausage.

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SeeSomeSense says...
12:18pm Tue 16 Mar 10

It's also evident that Pumpkinpie is prejudiced against lollipop ladies/men because she considers being compared to them akin to being insulted. My apologies to all hardworking lollipoppers who do a grand job seeing our children safely across busy streets at home time.

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pumpkinpie says...
12:21pm Tue 16 Mar 10

SeeSomeSense wrote:
It's also evident that Pumpkinpie is prejudiced against lollipop ladies/men because she considers being compared to them akin to being insulted. My apologies to all hardworking lollipoppers who do a grand job seeing our children safely across busy streets at home time.

oh my god what is your problem with me? twisting my comments, I said nothing of the sort. I was actually referring to you classing me as uneployed/unemployab
le.

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SeeSomeSense says...
12:24pm Tue 16 Mar 10

So, you blame the unemployed, do you? Do you blame the unemployed alone or do you blame the unemployed AND lollipoppers? Why are you using these people as scapegoats?

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pumpkinpie says...
12:25pm Tue 16 Mar 10

SeeSomeSense wrote:
So, you blame the unemployed, do you? Do you blame the unemployed alone or do you blame the unemployed AND lollipoppers? Why are you using these people as scapegoats?

again you don't answer a question. WHAT IS YOUR PROBLEM WITH ME?
Stop dancing around my questions and just answer them.

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SeeSomeSense says...
12:28pm Tue 16 Mar 10

Do you think people choose to be unemployed? Why are you so angry? What have the unemployed and lollipop volunteers go to do with a dog headbutting a child?

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SeeSomeSense says...
12:29pm Tue 16 Mar 10

Were you scratched by a cat as a child, perhaps?

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pumpkinpie says...
12:30pm Tue 16 Mar 10

SeeSomeSense wrote:
Do you think people choose to be unemployed? Why are you so angry? What have the unemployed and lollipop volunteers go to do with a dog headbutting a child?

1. No I don't think people choose to be unemployed.
2. because you won't answer a straight question when put to you.
3. i don't know you raised that, so you answer that one.

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pumpkinpie says...
12:31pm Tue 16 Mar 10

SeeSomeSense wrote:
Were you scratched by a cat as a child, perhaps?

what has that got to do with anything?

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SeeSomeSense says...
12:34pm Tue 16 Mar 10

pumpkinpie wrote:

SeeSomeSense wrote: Were you scratched by a cat as a child, perhaps?
what has that got to do with anything?

Your cat phobia, of course.

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pumpkinpie says...
12:35pm Tue 16 Mar 10

SeeSomeSense wrote:

pumpkinpie wrote:
SeeSomeSense wrote: Were you scratched by a cat as a child, perhaps?
what has that got to do with anything?
Your cat phobia, of course.

I haven't got a cat phobia, where did you get that from? oh sorry why bother asking you won't tell me

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SeeSomeSense says...
12:37pm Tue 16 Mar 10

Why are you in denial about your phobia of cats? You have clearly stated that you prefer cats over dogs and that in your mind cat poo is dangerous to mankind. Would it perhaps help you to stroke a cat in order for you to conquer your phobia? Why do you think that cat poo is a health hazard but dog poo isn't?

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pumpkinpie says...
12:40pm Tue 16 Mar 10

SeeSomeSense wrote:
Why are you in denial about your phobia of cats? You have clearly stated that you prefer cats over dogs and that in your mind cat poo is dangerous to mankind. Would it perhaps help you to stroke a cat in order for you to conquer your phobia? Why do you think that cat poo is a health hazard but dog poo isn't?

1. not in denial
2. please quote where I have stated this
3. I don't need to stroke a cat as I have no phobia.
4. please again quote where I have said this.

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SeeSomeSense says...
12:47pm Tue 16 Mar 10

By stating in point 1. that you are not in denial proves that you are in denial of being in denial. Consequently, the 3 further points are made invalid by the first point of denial, which in turn proves denial of being in denial of which no one can deny. Until you accept that in your subconscience you feel it is acceptable (without denial of the acceptance that you are in denial of being in denial) for dogs to foul play areas, the discussion (that you have completely steered off topic) can not continue.

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pumpkinpie says...
12:55pm Tue 16 Mar 10

SeeSomeSense wrote:
By stating in point 1. that you are not in denial proves that you are in denial of being in denial. Consequently, the 3 further points are made invalid by the first point of denial, which in turn proves denial of being in denial of which no one can deny. Until you accept that in your subconscience you feel it is acceptable (without denial of the acceptance that you are in denial of being in denial) for dogs to foul play areas, the discussion (that you have completely steered off topic) can not continue.

I have no denial of cats. I have grwon up with having cats, we had Tinker who lived to be 21, Bonnie and Clyde, Bonnie was my cat and sadly died of cancer aged ten. Clyde lived to be 20 but had cancer and had to be put to sleep. Then came Izzy and Coco, my two silver tabbies who are now 8 years old and the most grogeous little creatures you ever wish to meet. I have also grown up with dogs, holly being the first, then buster, rusty and now ellie. I have had animals all my life and love all animals, hence why I have pets of my own (what I own I will not tell you). I don't appreciate dogs owners who allow their animals to foul and not clear it up but dogs as do cats need to do their business somewhere. Happy now?

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SeeSomeSense says...
1:15pm Tue 16 Mar 10

Why so sensitive?

Well, it is time for my daily shopping expedition. I won't return to this story as I'm sure pumpkin is on a wind-up; it's the only possible explanation.

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pumpkinpie says...
1:16pm Tue 16 Mar 10

SeeSomeSense wrote:
Why so sensitive? Well, it is time for my daily shopping expedition. I won't return to this story as I'm sure pumpkin is on a wind-up; it's the only possible explanation.

bye bye

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LNN says...
2:30pm Tue 16 Mar 10

SeeSomeSense wrote:
Really? Then how fortunate I am that you spend your whole life sitting in front of your screen monitoring this news story.

Of course, if ingested, cat faeces is harmful but cats do not poo directly onto lawns and in parks - dogs DO! Depending on the quality of the cat's food, its faeces will rot down into the soil in 12 hours or less. Yes, cats are so clean that they bury their poop unlike dogs who leave piles of excrement for unsuspecting men, women and children to step in.

Dogs also smell and cats don't. That's another FACT!

Excuse the delay in my response but as i work in the media i monitor numerous news stories, i have to sit in front of a computer screen most days and your comments are not worthy of a quick reply, sorry to disappoint you..
Right i can spare 5 minutes, so lets go....

Bird droppings ?? come on clever clogs how you going to stop that landing on blades of grass, dandelions and clover ???... your half way there, ''yes whoopee cats faeces is dangerous'' it contains the same parasite as dogs faeces FACT, its only took a day for you to answer half of the question that was put to you..

Doesn't make any difference if cats sometimes bury their faeces, the parasite lives for months in the soil FACT.
Cats and Dogs need to be wormed to kill the parasite FACT.
Cats are so clean they have to be injected against chlamydia FACT, prowling the streets looking for every Tom Dick and Harry spreading diseases, then come home and roll all over furniture and owners, then climb all over worktops, licking food, back out again to someone's garden 'sometimes' burying their faeces with their feet getting the parasite under its nails, back in, then climb all over you and your worktops again, nice, such a clean animal...If only barbed wire was still legal, a cat free garden...Bliss...

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derekhope says...
2:34pm Tue 16 Mar 10

It will be handbags at dawn I think. It's a shame that all these posts seem to have been people trying to outdo each other and loosing sight of the original story.

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LNN says...
2:42pm Tue 16 Mar 10

derekhope wrote:
It will be handbags at dawn I think. It's a shame that all these posts seem to have been people trying to outdo each other and loosing sight of the original story.

Agree Derek, it started because of the stupid first comment that was merely to incite anger...

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nicely says...
3:08pm Tue 16 Mar 10

I have a staffie and i say the same as most it comes down to the owner, my dog is lovely and really good with people. Get a life seesomesense you sad sad person.i think your on a wind up,you need help

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officegirl24 says...
3:13pm Tue 16 Mar 10

LNN wrote:

derekhope wrote: It will be handbags at dawn I think. It's a shame that all these posts seem to have been people trying to outdo each other and loosing sight of the original story.
Agree Derek, it started because of the stupid first comment that was merely to incite anger...

I too quite agree, I also think that it's time pumkinpie and seesomesense's should stop flirting with each other (i'm getting the vibes that it's a bit of a love/hate relationship going on here ;p) and free it up for some real debate on the actual story. It's quite funny really that people have risen to seesomesense's bait in such a big way, I thought it was pretty obvious he/she is going for a reaction and the comments are actually quite hilarious! Bet seesomesense is loving all the fuss!! It certainly brightened up my lunchbreak reading all of the codswallop! :)

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pumpkinpie says...
3:31pm Tue 16 Mar 10

officegirl24 wrote:

LNN wrote:
derekhope wrote: It will be handbags at dawn I think. It's a shame that all these posts seem to have been people trying to outdo each other and loosing sight of the original story.
Agree Derek, it started because of the stupid first comment that was merely to incite anger...
I too quite agree, I also think that it's time pumkinpie and seesomesense's should stop flirting with each other (i'm getting the vibes that it's a bit of a love/hate relationship going on here ;p) and free it up for some real debate on the actual story. It's quite funny really that people have risen to seesomesense's bait in such a big way, I thought it was pretty obvious he/she is going for a reaction and the comments are actually quite hilarious! Bet seesomesense is loving all the fuss!! It certainly brightened up my lunchbreak reading all of the codswallop! :)

I only asked a simple question which "it" could not answer and wasn't about to be insulted. I have given up and this is the last comment I will be leaving on the NS. Fed up with it all to be honest. Its a comment section, I get that, Iget that everyone is entitled to their own opinion but will not sit here and be hounded by someone else. Its been nice talking to people and leaving comments but I have just had enough of all this cr*p

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porkpie says...
3:34pm Tue 16 Mar 10

" Depending on the quality of the cat's food, its faeces will rot down into the soil in 12 hours or less. " That's a load of bullfaeces. Were do you pluck these falsehoods from.

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Lukeyboy says...
3:36pm Tue 16 Mar 10

nicely wrote:
I have a staffie and i say the same as most it comes down to the owner, my dog is lovely and really good with people. Get a life seesomesense you sad sad person.i think your on a wind up,you need help

I thought you said "stiffie" for a second there...had to re-read, phew!

mine-wood - how apt.

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Let's Agree To Differ says...
7:39pm Tue 16 Mar 10

Quality! ;-)

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Firminess says...
5:17pm Wed 17 Mar 10

I have just laughed my head off reading this. I must say though, I'm dead impressed by the knowledge of faeces either canine or feline. I've got 2 dogs and 2 cats and my dogs don't poo when they go out for a walk, and as for cats relieving themselves far from home, that's rubbish - I've watched my cat have a go in the neighbour's flowerbed on many occasions! I agree that this is a bit of a nothing story and I too wondered where the bruising and swelling was of said broken nose. Licences only work if they are monitored - remember the old dog licence? As a kid I remember going to the post office for my parents to spend 37 and a half pence for the dog licence - to my knowledge the only purpose of the exercise was to take it home and put it in a drawer, never to be seen again!

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madras says...
3:13pm Fri 19 Mar 10

sounds like a bit of a shaggy dog story to me...

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