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'No racial or gang element' to killing
6:17pm Monday 12th May 2008
THE police officer leading the investigation into the murder of teenager Jimmy Mizen says it is progressing well.
Jimmy, 16, of Dallinger Road, Lee, was killed in an unprovoked attack in the Three Cooks bakery near his home at 11.50am on Saturday (May 10).
Detective Chief Inspector Cliff Lyons said: "CCTV footage has been gathered from the surrounding area and we have also been conducting house-to-house inquiries.
"A thorough forensic examination is ongoing and significant material has been recovered from the scene.
"We have also spoken to a number of important witnesses, but believe there are still people out there who saw the incident or events which led up to it because the area would have been busy at that time of day.
"It is to these people I am appealing to. You may feel what you saw was of little consequence, but I ask you to call our incident room on 020 8721 4205 and let us make that judgment."
He added: "I would like to stress this incident is not being linked to any ongoing police investigation. Neither does it have any racial or gang element."
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Your Lord, Erastus Theobald Piggott, The Study says...
8:06am Tue 13 May 08
LEARN FROM HISTORY AND START BLAMING THE POLITICIANS INSTEAD OF EACH OTHER.
Posted by Lord Erastus Theobald Piggott at 2:04pm on Mon 12 May 08.
Your Lord, Erastus Theobald Piggott
DavidW, Plumstead says...
8:19am Tue 13 May 08
Your Lord, Erastus Theobald Piggott, The Armchair says...
8:23am Tue 13 May 08
a: you might learn something
b: it hits a raw nerve
By the way, what does the 'W' stand for?
Your Lord, Erastus Theobald Piggott
justice for jimmy, here there and every where says...
9:13am Tue 13 May 08
All i know is the uk has no extradition treaty with cyprus, but if the guy has nothing to hide, well he will happily come back, if not, well his guilty as hell and should be shot like the dog he is, send some para's out to do the job !
Me, woolwich says...
10:02am Tue 13 May 08
DavidW, Plumstead says...
10:14am Tue 13 May 08
Your Lord, Erastus Theobald Piggott wrote:a. There's nothing, someone as blinkered as you, can teach me!
Or perhaps you are frightened to visit the blog, DavidW because a: you might learn something b: it hits a raw nerve By the way, what does the 'W' stand for? Your Lord, Erastus Theobald Piggott
b. Raw nerve? No, I just challenge you in the way you continually produce politically correct, sanctimonious bilge!
As for the 'W', in your case, it means Winner!
Your Lord, Erastus Theobald Piggott, The Podium says...
10:33am Tue 13 May 08
Why, thank you DavidW.
Now get back to your merchant banking and stop wasting your boss's time and money.
Your Lord, Erastus Theobald Piggott
LisaB, SE London says...
10:55am Tue 13 May 08
sh/ etc etc; I blame PC.
DavidW, Plumstead says...
11:00am Tue 13 May 08
Your Lord, Erastus Theobald Piggott wrote:I must have got under your skin! Showing your true colours now and probably mental age age too! How easy was that Mr P.C. Intellectual? Ha, Ha, Ha!
You are calling me a winner? Why, thank you DavidW. Now get back to your merchant banking and stop wasting your boss's time and money. Your Lord, Erastus Theobald Piggott
Harry Brown, Belvedere says...
11:10am Tue 13 May 08
LisaB wrote:I wish people like you would stop trying to stir things up. Are you trying to encourage some of riot? Do people like you get your kicks out of making mischief?
Amazes me; WHY is it not classes as rascist?? Would sure as hell be if the vitim was black/oriental/turki sh/ etc etc; I blame PC.
IF it's true that the murder suspect is Turkish or Cypriot then how could it possibly be a racist attack?
And even if you wrongly class a Turkish/Cypriot person as being of a different race to Jimmy Mizen, it does not automatically follow that it was a racist murder. It is possilbe for a person of one race to murder a person of a different race for a non-racial motive. It seems the person lost their temper and lashed out, and race played no part in it. Stop trying to make something out of it that isn't there.
Your Lord, Erastus Theobald Piggott, The Classroom says...
11:19am Tue 13 May 08
How does it feel to realise that the majority of readers disagree with your views on race and crime?
Reply if you like but that is the last I am going to bother with you.
Good day.
Your Lord, Erastus Theobald Piggott
CL, Eltham says...
12:13pm Tue 13 May 08
Your Lord, Erastus Theobald Piggott, The Library says...
12:35pm Tue 13 May 08
I think you will find that I have not started any arguments but stated valid points which certain readers disagreed with.
If you do not like it, do not ask your mummy to read it to you.
I hope you understand.
Your Lord, Erastus Theobald Piggott
William, London says...
1:14pm Tue 13 May 08
'It seems the person lost their temper and lashed out, and race played no part in it'
So just lost his temper did he Harry? Well lets hope he doesn't get really annoyed whilst he's out on the run.
My God what an idiot!!
Harry Brown, Belvedere says...
2:13pm Tue 13 May 08
William wrote:Actually Billy Boy I think you'll find if you look close enough, deep inside your heart that it is in fact you who is the idiot for completely misreading my earlier comment.
quote from Harry Brown, 'It seems the person lost their temper and lashed out, and race played no part in it' So just lost his temper did he Harry? Well lets hope he doesn't get really annoyed whilst he's out on the run. My God what an idiot!!
I wasn't trying to excuse the murder or make light of it as being simply a case of someone lashing out. I was making the very valid and relevant point that it was a murder of anger/violence as opposed to a race crime.
I expect you can only look at your computer when teacher's not nearby but do try to keep up.
Sunny, London says...
2:29pm Tue 13 May 08
You state:
I was making the very valid and relevant point that it was a murder of anger/violence as opposed to a race crime.
And how would you know? present were you? My black friend knows the murderer as do many of the boys at the scene and my black friend told me the murderer is of mix race; 21 years old approx. So you can't get all high and mighty with me with regards to colour.
The boy who murdered this young lad is well known for his very bad temper . I saw the pictures taken on a mobile of the state of the bakery just after the incident happended and it was covered in blood and smashed glass. The front doors as well as the interior was in ruins. I don't think this qualifies for a little temper, this boy was completely out of control.
William, London says...
2:59pm Tue 13 May 08
Harry boy, I didn't think you was making light or excusing the murder, you aren't capable of that as your idiocy shows in your original post. How the hell can anyone misread your 'losing his temper' comment.
I expect you can only look at your computer when Mummy isn't nearby, so I suggest you try to keep up young man.
Harry Brown, Belvedere says...
3:00pm Tue 13 May 08
But since you've chosen to get involved, I'll respond to you.
Firstly, why do you refer to your 'black friend'? You're not one of those people who are all 'I'm not racist, I've got black friends' are you? Is there something special about having a black friend? Does your black friend like being referred to like this? Why not just call them 'a friend'?
Considering the suspect is supposed to be 19 years old and Turkish, it seems like either you or your friend are mistaken about who it is.
The police have said this murder was not race related, which is exactly the point I was making. I don't dispute this youth was 'out of control', I was saying it was not a race crime. Are you one of those people who are desperate for this be a race killing?
susan, bexley says...
3:03pm Tue 13 May 08
Harry Brown, Belvedere says...
3:06pm Tue 13 May 08
susan wrote:Excellent point Susan. Some people here are so fixated on colour and so desperate for this to be race-related that they are completely ignoring the crime. A young lad has been killed in a god-awful attack that could have happened to anyone and could have involved people of any race, yet that's not enough for some people - they want there to be MORE to it than that.
Does it actually matter what race the person that killed this boy that hadnt even began to live his life yet was!! He has killed someone and deserves to be punished not cause his black, white or turkish but cause he broke the law!!
William, London says...
3:09pm Tue 13 May 08
ps dont try the race bit for your get out card, I didn't mention the race thing, dont care about it.
Harry Brown, Belvedere says...
3:15pm Tue 13 May 08
William wrote:Willy, you're now just arguing about semantics, which is pretty desperate. The point I was making was this was amurder caused by unspeakable violence rather than race hate. The murderer obviously would have had to have lost his temper to go out of control to smash the shop up, to kill the young lad etc etc. If you're just going to pick holes in how I worded a particular sentence then that's pretty lame.
Stamping your foot and shouting at someone is losing your temper, offering someone out for a fight, smashing the place up and then slicing someones throat and saying "that's for calling the police on me" is hardly losing your temper, is it Harry boy? ps dont try the race bit for your get out card, I didn't mention the race thing, dont care about it.
susan, bexely says...
3:16pm Tue 13 May 08
me, kent says...
3:20pm Tue 13 May 08
William, London says...
3:22pm Tue 13 May 08
Harry Brown wrote:Arry, you made the understatement of the year, it's not a case of how you worded a sentence. Once again, I'll have to educate you.
William wrote: Stamping your foot and shouting at someone is losing your temper, offering someone out for a fight, smashing the place up and then slicing someones throat and saying "that's for calling the police on me" is hardly losing your temper, is it Harry boy? ps dont try the race bit for your get out card, I didn't mention the race thing, dont care about it.Willy, you're now just arguing about semantics, which is pretty desperate. The point I was making was this was amurder caused by unspeakable violence rather than race hate. The murderer obviously would have had to have lost his temper to go out of control to smash the shop up, to kill the young lad etc etc. If you're just going to pick holes in how I worded a particular sentence then that's pretty lame.
It was a cold calculated act. ie not a loss of temper.
Now stop digging the hole that you've put yourself in.
Harry Brown, Belvedere says...
3:28pm Tue 13 May 08
This murder was not a cold calculated act. It wasn't pre-meditated, it wasn't plotted or thought out. It was spontaneous. A sudden act of fatal violence.
Quite frankly I don't give a hoot about your opinion on the murder. The point I was originally making was to highlight how this wasn't a race murder, because some idiots continue to insist it must have been racist and won't accept it wasn't.
William, London says...
3:35pm Tue 13 May 08
What an annoying, I'm right I'm right I'm right person you are, on and on and on. Idiot!!
Harry Brown, Belvedere says...
4:02pm Tue 13 May 08
William wrote:When I'm right, I know I'm right - and if that makes me a bad person then so be it!
It wasn't a sudden act, when you full facts become clear you'll see that, it's been an ongoing thing by this local bully who has previous for assault. What an annoying, I'm right I'm right I'm right person you are, on and on and on. Idiot!!
What you've said completely contradicts everything else that has so far emrged about this case.
Jimmy Mizen's family have said their son did not know his killer. Also his friends have all said they have never had any dealings with him before and he is not known to them.
But you're saying he's a well known local character who somehow plotted to kill Jimmy Mizen in a 'cold and calculated' way?!
I hope you've passed your 'inside' information on to the police.
William, London says...
4:18pm Tue 13 May 08
Blimey, next thing you'll be telling us is that Charles Manson was just naughty!
Pink Kitten, London says...
4:35pm Tue 13 May 08
I think you two should agree to disagree and put an end to this for the sake of the family involved who could be reading all your comments.
Harry Brown, Belvedere says...
4:36pm Tue 13 May 08
My theory is you've been given a snippet of gossip which has probably been passed around like Chinese whispers and you're being a bit of a glory-hunter by embelishing it further to sound like you've got some sort of inside track on this case.
You seem to be implying this murder was planned in some way - and if you knew anything about it beforehand then that would be a bit Charles Manson wouldn't it - just naughty.
PS I was right about it not being a racist murder, so now that makes me ... still right.
William, London says...
12:24pm Wed 14 May 08
Harry Brown wrote:Your theory is completely wrong, as I said before the details will come out, I wasn't given a 'snippet' of information, it's been an ongoing thing by a bully on a member of this family. I do know about it you obviously dont, so your are very wrong saying this scumbag just lost his temper, he deliberately went out of his way to attack these boys.
The police might well know who it is but that doesn't explain why your info about the murder differs so wildly from everything else that has come out about it or how you supposedly know so much about it. My theory is you've been given a snippet of gossip which has probably been passed around like Chinese whispers and you're being a bit of a glory-hunter by embelishing it further to sound like you've got some sort of inside track on this case. You seem to be implying this murder was planned in some way - and if you knew anything about it beforehand then that would be a bit Charles Manson wouldn't it - just naughty. PS I was right about it not being a racist murder, so now that makes me ... still right.
Now be patient before you spout off again and wait for the details to come out, as I said I know, you obviously dont.
ps stop adding the race bit on the end we all know it wasn't a race thing.
Arry, you're an idiot.
Rachel, bromley says...
8:44pm Sun 25 May 08
stop!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
nigel, west mids says...
9:21am Sun 1 Jun 08
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DavidW, Plumstead says...
8:01am Tue 13 May 08