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PENGE: Father of graffiti artist found hanged in cell blasts prison system
2:31pm Thursday 2nd December 2010 in News By David Mills
Tom Collister, 23
THE father of a graffiti artist found hanged in jail has hit out at the "incompetence" of the prison system.
An inquest into the death of 23-year-old Tom Collister, from Penge, has revealed multiple failures in the care provided.
Tom was found dead in his prison cell at HMP Camp Hill in Newport on the Isle of Wight on the morning of February 7 last year.
He had been serving a 30-month sentence for conspiracy to commit criminal damage, which had been slashed by 10 months four days earlier following an appeal hearing.
Tom, who lived with his mother in Stembridge Road, was in a gang of graffiti artists which carried out a two-year campaign of vandalism on trains and stations around south London.
During his sentence - the longest in the country ever given for graffiti offences - he was transferred to Camp Hill while his co-defendants remained in Wandsworth.
However he expected to return to Wandsworth to see out his sentence following his appearance at the Court of Appeal in London.
But Tom was left distraught when he was told by prison escort staff that he would be going back to Camp Hill instead.
He was found dead in his cell four days later.
His parents Debbie and Martin told News Shopper after Tom died that he never intended to kill himself and that his death was a cry for help to get him sent back to Wandsworth.
Last week a jury at the Isle of Wight Coroner’s Court returned a critical verdict.
Jurors heard phone calls made by Tom to his girlfriend and mother describing the prison as "Concentration Camp Hill".
The jury concluded that the night patrol system on the night of Tom’s death did not provide adequate supervision to ensure prisoner safety on the wing.
They also found that the response of the prison officer who discovered Tom’s body was inadequate.
The inquest heard officers had not been given adequate training on how to react in an emergency to suspected suicide or self-harm and they had received inadequate first aid and resuscitation training.
Jurors were also told how key officers involved on the night Tom died had not read the relevant policies nor had they been taught how to respond to an emergency situation.
PLAN WHICH TURNED TO TRAGEDY
Speaking after the verdict, Tom's father Martin said Tom had been let down by "a catalogue of errors" which contributed to his death.
Mr Collister said: "The jury came to that conclusion on their own. They were physically shocked by the laxity and unbelievably cavalier way that place is run.
"It was absolutely disgusting, totally incompetent.
"The idea of night guards is to go round and check on the prisoners.
"Tom had a little plan where he thought that when (the guard) came round he would do a 'near miss' to get their attention and get himself off that hell hole of an island.
"He had a plan which turned into tragedy."
Mr Collister also revealed Tom was told he wasn't being sent back to Wandsworth after his appeal because it would be traumatising for him.
He also said while inside Tom had a belt which he shouldn't have even been allowed to wear.
Mr Collister, a glazier who lives in West Wickham, said: "He should have been in prison clothes.
"It's obscene the way they run that place.
"It's too late for Tom but if they can make sure these people are doing their jobs properly then it might save someone else's life."
CALLS FOR A REVIEW
HM Assistant Deputy Coroner Hugh Calloway promised to report the lack of training and inadequate supervision within Camp Hill to the Ministry of Justice, National Offender Management Service and the prison’s governor.
Deborah Coles, co-director of INQUEST, a charity which specialises in contentious deaths and in particular those in custody, said: "The tragedy of this case was the decision to imprison Tom Collister in the first place.
"It is well recognised that prisoners' vulnerability is exacerbated by the lack of family contact and support in prison.
"The procedures for transferring prisoners must be reviewed in light of this tragic death as well as the clear failings in officer training."
As many as 600 people turned out for Tom's funeral at Beckenham Crematorium.
As well as his mother and father, he also left behind his sister Jemma.
News Shopper has invited the Ministry of Justice to comment.
Comments(131)
ModernToss
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4:23pm Thu 2 Dec 10
Ranbud
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4:39pm Thu 2 Dec 10
jaded1
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4:48pm Thu 2 Dec 10
apak24
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6:19pm Thu 2 Dec 10
SosaysI
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7:29pm Thu 2 Dec 10
The inquest heard officers had not been given adequate training on how to react in an emergency to suspected suicide or self-harm and they had received inadequate first aid and resuscitation training.
Jurors were also told how key officers involved on the night Tom died had not read the relevant policies nor had they been taught how to respond to an emergency situation." and that the father says "it was a catalogue of errors". Clearly he had a point and the jury agreed. The comments here make it sound like he should be dead for graffiti. 'can't do the crime' and its his own fault. I'm no expert and I doubt other commentators are either but it seems this lad was unwell and in need of treatment AND supervision. Luckily the jury seemed to be far more enlightened. Maybe because they heard the facts or maybe they are not so quick to judge and condemn.
Biscuit
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8:17pm Thu 2 Dec 10
This man (he was not a lad) dished out misery for many many years to a lot of people. His short prison sentence was a walk in the park compared to the despair he and the gang he led caused others over the years. Trying to wheedle out of his punishment by pretending to hang himself went wrong. So when I say 'if you can't do the time' I mean exactly that - don't do the crime.
He was arrogant and cocksure, but not unwell.
Familyguy321
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8:21pm Thu 2 Dec 10
yes there should be help in place for people with problems, but according to this he tried to fake it so he could go back to a prison with his mates.
I've dealt with prisoners who want to choose want prison they like scrubs cos it's playstations, highdowns not bad because family isn't far away, I wonder why we bother nicking them. because it's no deterrent anymore it's some time of paying rent and working for most of them.
prisoners know they only have to say they're feeling depressed to get a constant 24hr watch so they have some
Company. its absolutely crazy.
why haven't I been nicked because going to jail scares the s**t out of me, for the repeat offenders it's just a hiccup in their choice of life.
too his family and friends these comments arent meant to be incendiary to you, sorry for your loss and you heartache, and the whole system is a let down but victims of crime get looked after lots less than prisoners,
Sammy333
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9:33pm Thu 2 Dec 10
Tom was a genuinely lovely, kind, warm hearted man, people bring up the past about him having the asbo, but do you not believe in people changing? Because it is possible.
Stop using this website and article to dis-respect Tom, and get a life of your own, because to be honest you people are saying all of this, but you are just showing how pathetic you are by coming on here, looking up things that happened years ago, and bringing it all up. Have some respect will you, people are still mourning Tom.
If you want to pay your respects for Tom, feel free. But dont start putting nasty comments.
xxxRIP gorgeous, love you alwaysxxx
justme1212
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9:49pm Thu 2 Dec 10
ModernToss
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9:50pm Thu 2 Dec 10
Sammy333 wrote:That's nice, but this isn't a tribute page. This is a news article and we'll comment how we see fit, thanks. In your opinion Tom may well have been "loving" and "kind", etc etc, but whilst he had a positive effect on people like yourself don't make excuses for the negative impact he had on the lives of others through his criminal actions. Frankly his personality is an irrevelance and shouldn't be used to plaster over his history. He was in prison because he deserved to be in prison. The prison service did not kill Tom Collister. Tom Collister killed Tom Collister. This is of course my opinion and I do feel it's irresponsible to look for blame elsewhere in this case when the responsibility lies much closer to home. I appreciate you've lost someone you care about, but as I said at the start, these are comments for a news story, not a place for emotional post-its.
I think that people on here should learn to have some respect! Do you not realise that Tom's family and friends read these comments. It is both dis-respectful and plain evil to start slagging off someone who passed away without knowing the facts!
Tom was a genuinely lovely, kind, warm hearted man, people bring up the past about him having the asbo, but do you not believe in people changing? Because it is possible.
Stop using this website and article to dis-respect Tom, and get a life of your own, because to be honest you people are saying all of this, but you are just showing how pathetic you are by coming on here, looking up things that happened years ago, and bringing it all up. Have some respect will you, people are still mourning Tom.
If you want to pay your respects for Tom, feel free. But dont start putting nasty comments.
xxxRIP gorgeous, love you alwaysxxx
Sammy333
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10:25pm Thu 2 Dec 10
tomssister
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10:40pm Thu 2 Dec 10
luke1993
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11:06pm Thu 2 Dec 10
justme1212
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11:14pm Thu 2 Dec 10
FannyFlaps
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3:37am Fri 3 Dec 10
To Tom's siblings, I lost my brother nearly ten years ago in tragic circumstances, all I can say is it does get easier, remember the good times and the laughs.
All the best to you and yours and ignore the idiots on here they have no lives of their own.
ho_ho_ho
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5:43am Fri 3 Dec 10
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http://www.facebook.
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Luke, I've taken a screen grab, so if you change the picture. I'll host it elsewhere and post the link. Don't be scared to show people who you really are.
tomssister
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8:27am Fri 3 Dec 10
jaded1
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8:55am Fri 3 Dec 10
I apologise for the correct spelling and punctuation but I am not chav scum.
justme1212
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10:20am Fri 3 Dec 10
jaded1
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10:28am Fri 3 Dec 10
It can't be that scary going to prison otherwise people wouldn't commit crime in the first place.
BexleyBelle
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10:33am Fri 3 Dec 10
People commit crimes for all sorts of reasons, and it is a negative spiral that once someone is in, it's very hard to get out. For example, if someone has a conviction it's very difficult for them to get a job etc. and so it goes on. I don't suppose the sanctimonious morons posting the above comments would ever spout their venom directly to the bereaved familiy - they instead hide behind a veil of anonymity on a their computer. Do you not know the meaning of the word respect? This is what should be shown when a person dies (for whatever reason). Sad pathetic people! RIP Tom, hope you encounter more empathy and compassion where you are now.
justme1212
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10:35am Fri 3 Dec 10
porkpie
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11:05am Fri 3 Dec 10
FannyFlaps wrote:Really ! What between 10pm to 3:37am you expecting people to replie, think you find that the interweb goes a little quite around those hours. Not everyone sits on here waiting for a replie.
Well done to Tom's Sister and Brother, notice how all the usual idiots don't have the guts to respond? To Tom's siblings, I lost my brother nearly ten years ago in tragic circumstances, all I can say is it does get easier, remember the good times and the laughs. All the best to you and yours and ignore the idiots on here they have no lives of their own.
Woopsthatwentabitwrong
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11:37am Fri 3 Dec 10
Lea Taylor, aged 16, and another 16-year-old boy, who cannot be named for legal reasons, were given the orders by Bromley magistrates last week.
The two Bromley youths were members of a gang operating across the borough, thought to be led by 19-year-old Tom Collister, of Stembridge Road, Penge, who was placed under an Asbo in December last year.
Taylor and his accomplice are banned from meeting with each other or any other named member of their gang in public.
The pair must not use homophobic behaviour, use abusive or threatening words or behaviour, or carry an offensive weapon.
They are banned from buying or drinking alcohol or being drunk in public and must not cause or attempt to cause criminal damage to property, buildings or possessions.
They are also banned from certain named premises and must leave any school, shop or licensed premises if asked to by staff.
And finally they are even banned from communicating directly or indirectly with certain named individuals.
Acting borough commander Charles Griggs said: "The partnership between the council, the police and a number of other local organisations, such as Broomleigh Housing Association, are united in tackling this modern scourge of anti-social behaviour. People in the borough can rest assured that such behaviour will not be tolerated.
"Police and the anti-social behaviour team will pro-actively enforce orders to ensure swift, robust and effective action is taken should there be any breach.
"I would encourage members of the public to report breaches to us in confidence."
Woopsthatwentabitwrong
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11:54am Fri 3 Dec 10
Police, council officers and former rail operator Connex took evidence of verbal and physical abuse, criminal damage and graffiti to magistrates, who granted a two-year Asbo
"He seems to have been a mini crimewave. He considered himself untouchable and carried on without any concern for those affected.
"You often find by taking out the ringleader, the other sheep fall away and grass."
"We're obviously delighted but no more than the people who suffered from his behaviour."
Collister, of Stembridge Road, Penge, is banned from Sainsbury's supermarket and Morley's takeaway, in Beckenham, and must not "assault, threaten or harass members of staff of any store in Beckenham Road".
He has been given similar orders not to threaten staff at Clockhouse, Kent House, Eden Park, Beckenham Junction and Elmers End stations.
Other terms ban him from being abusive, racist or homophobic, intentionally damaging property, carrying spray cans or throwing missiles.
The teenage terror must not hang around causing trouble with his cronies or be out between midnight and 6am without a parent or guardian.
"Such anti-social behaviour will not be tolerated in Bromley.
"Residents can rest assured all partners are united in tackling this modern scourge."
ksc
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12:02pm Fri 3 Dec 10
porkpie
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12:08pm Fri 3 Dec 10
justme1212
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BexleyBelle
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daveydavey
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12:25pm Fri 3 Dec 10
It is very strange to say the least to find co-defendant's split up like this (especially over such a large distance)
Biscuit
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12:25pm Fri 3 Dec 10
This is not isolated, the list of people who were frightened by this man, the homophobia and racism, mental abuse, physical abuse, verbal abuse, is pretty long and vile reading.
Nobody, not Tom Collister or anybody, on this planet has the right to do that to a fellow human being - to reduce them to a point where they are living in fear of the next day because it might be a day when Tom Collister and his pals came round to get their jollies.
porkpie
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12:28pm Fri 3 Dec 10
justme1212 wrote:What ? In English please.
it just gets wrse on here i swear u lot all angels dont think so despite wat he did a young person has died hope none of u go thou it
daveydavey
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12:31pm Fri 3 Dec 10
Perhaps he didnt want to return to Camp-Hill because he had upset people there and they were making his life hell (Just as he and his cronies had done while they had their liberty)
Karma is a **** isnt it!
justme1212
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1:59pm Fri 3 Dec 10
jaded1
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2:02pm Fri 3 Dec 10
It's a shame when anyone dies but who's at fault here?
This is a news story not a facebook trubute where other chavs can say what a great person the fallen "solja" was, when he clearly wasn't.
justme1212
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2:06pm Fri 3 Dec 10
jaded1
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2:28pm Fri 3 Dec 10
Are you typing with gloves on or are you just a bit thick?
porkpie
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3:36pm Fri 3 Dec 10
justme1212 wrote:If you could spell correctly and use full stops and grammar then I could understand what you are babbling on about. I'm not female dogging about who's fault it is. I have clearly stated my opinion above in a previous post. You say " if u could read properly " but use English like this " wrse and r ya " Yes a young lad has died - However at 8 years old I know right from wrong this man was 23. I will save my respect for the young lads in the armed forces the deserver 1000 times more respect that this lad. Here is a present for you
to porkpie se london if u could read properly i said the comments on here just get worse meaning u lot slagging of tom and hes family aint all angels r ya depite what he did a young lad has died and all u lot can do is b***h about whos fault it is is that enough plain english for you u p***k grow up
,,,,,,,,,, .............. '''''''' You can have these free of charge, as whatever means you're using clearly is broken. Use them please.
I have not said I was an angel but I did not go around making everyone life hell and causing £1000s worth of damage, getting an ASBO and putting peoples life in danger. Anything I got caught for I took the punishment like a man because I take reasonability for my actions.
porkpie
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4:11pm Fri 3 Dec 10
A gang of graffiti artists have been jailed after a two-year campaign of vandalism on trains and stations around south London, including an attack to Epsom.
Tom Collister, 22, of West Wickham, Darren Austin, 21, of Beckenham, Joshua Piehl, 19, of Tunbridge Wells, and William Setzdempsey, 19, of Uckfield - who belonged to the Just Kant Stop and the Forever Doing Crime crew - were jailed for a combined total of more than six years for their part the £60,000 worth of damage.
British Transport Police said the four were prolific vandals who caused delays and disruptions to train services after they defaced carriages during organised overnight tagging sessions – many committed while on bail.
According to police, they were linked to the crimes through photographs, paint cans and materials seized from their homes, as well as vehicles belonging to Collister and Setzdempsey containing spray cans and masks.
Among the items were pictures taken of the gang at work vandalising trains.
Mobile text messages planning the attacks were also retrieved by police.
Detective Sergeant Pete Thrush said the vandals were so intent on causing damage that not even the threat of death had deterred them.
"In 2004 Austin was arrested for trespassing on the railway in an incident where he received an electric shock from the 750 volt live rail.
"Yet he continued to trespass to spray graffiti on trains and sidings.
"In 2006 he handed an ASBO preventing him from carrying spray paint, but he was subsequently linked to a series of offences."
D Sgt Thrush said the group were linked to crimes via photographs, paint cans and materials seized from their homes.
Vehicles belonging to Collister and Setzdempsey containing spray cans, masks and other materials were also seized.
Tags belonging to the group were linked back to offences across the southeast, including Epsom.
"Numerous bits of graffiti paraphernalia were seized during various house searches.
"Many had tags linking back to each of them on everything from railway timetables to shoe boxes, with even a pair of slippers being seized with their tags on it," D Sgt Thrush said.
He said the group would communicate by text message to plan their next attack.
One such message included: "Safe M8 U up 4 doin a live tube plot 2nite". Another stated: "I'm doin sum track sides by myself anyway I've got 6 cans of stella an paint."
D Sgt Thrush said: "These people are persistent dedicated vandals.
"The court has recognised the seriousness of the offences, the risk these young men take with their lives and the cost to the train companies and public of south London.
"I would rather see people go to court than go to the morgue."
The four sentenced on Friday after pleading guilty to conspiracy to commit criminal damage.
Judge Stephen Robbins said, in sentencing, graffiti and criminal damage was a serious offence and a jail term would act as a deterrent to others.
"The fact is that this type of offending sickens members of the public who have their travelling lives blighted by this sort of criminal damage," he said.
Collister was sentenced to 30 months jail for conspiracy after he was linked to tags SKEAMS, SKEAMZ, SKEAM and FDC.
Austin was sentenced to 18 months jail for the conspiracy. He was linked to the tag FDC.
Piehl was sentenced to 12 months jail for the conspiracy. He was linked to the tags SKAM and JKS.
Setzdempsey was sentenced to 15 months jail for the conspiracy. He was linked to the tags NOIS and JKS.
MerryXmas
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5:05pm Fri 3 Dec 10
There may be some harsh, and nasty comments on here, but it seems that Tom was an extremely popular lad, judging by the amount of people that went to his funeral. If he was such a bully and nasty person then how come he had such a wide network of friends.
I dont usually comment on the articles that I find on here, but this time I felt it necessary.
My sympathy goes out to all of the family and friends of this young man. I know that I wouldnt be devistated if I lost a family member or friend, no matter what the circumstances are! Rest In Peace Tom and JuliaM I agree with Sammy333, you seem like a disgusting person, that is a terrible comment to make, I just hope you do not have to go through what the family are going through.
Woopsthatwentabitwrong
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8:34pm Fri 3 Dec 10
Gypo
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8:42pm Fri 3 Dec 10
ng, New Cross. Chavs,benefit scroungers, and graffiti scrawlers.
Woopsthatwentabitwrong
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8:45pm Fri 3 Dec 10
Tom, Tom, so sad that you're gone: Locked away for spraying graffiti,
You kicked the chair from under your feetie...
Don't you heed what everyone says:
You just didn't like the blacks or the gays...
I'm sure that hell ain't as bad as it seems:
Just brighten it up with tags saying "SKEAMS"
RIP
MerryXmas
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8:47pm Fri 3 Dec 10
tomssister
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11:58pm Fri 3 Dec 10
tomssister
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12:35am Sat 4 Dec 10
Familyguy321
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1:29am Sat 4 Dec 10
for what it's worth happy Xmas everyone. It's not that far off
JuliaM
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6:33am Sat 4 Dec 10
Dunno.
It's always surprised me how Mafia funerals seem to draw such a large crowd too... ;)
mungia1
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9:58am Sat 4 Dec 10
angel49
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11:08am Sat 4 Dec 10
mungia1 wrote:But he was still a much loved Son & Brother. I didnt know Tom but cant begin to imagine the grief this family are going through!! and to read these vile and disgusting comments must be so hard, Jemma people on this site post these comments just to get a reaction as I'm sure you realise, but not everyone is as nasty as these ***t's on here. Be strong for Tom!
Whatever your opinion, looks like the worlds better off without him. Hasn't exactly added much to society except misery by the look of his police record.
jaded1
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11:40am Sat 4 Dec 10
Sammy333
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11:51am Sat 4 Dec 10
I went to school with Tom and have known him since I was 13yrs old. I saw how much he changed throughout those 10years. Yes he had his moments, as did most TEENAGERS, but he grew up a lot in the last 5/6years of his life, just like most people! There are people out there who are far from perfect.
Tom wasnt a murderer, rapist, or anything along those lines, he just liked to express his art, and he was a brilliant artist at that. Maybe it was wrong, yes, but do you really think he was the only one out there doing it, there are 100's of people out there doing graffiti!! Atleast his graffiti actually looked like art.
I think you are all wrong with your comments. You are just using this site to dis-respect someone that passed away. But you know what, like I said at the beginning, YOU are just the bullies around here.
Oh and JulieM, you sound like a right sad little woman, get a life of your own, and stop judging others, your comments actually make me LOL because they are so sad and pathetic, you really think you are upsetting people with your comments? Because your not. Because at the end of the day your views and opinions dont matter!! Same goes to gypo too.
daveydavey
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1:15pm Sat 4 Dec 10
tomssister wrote:Have fun with that Tomssister.
Gypo, the last laugh will mosy certainly be on you :) Please ask yourself why I have been so calm and collected when responding to your comments!! I am more then aware that this post will be used as evidence against me, but obviously I don't give a f*ck!! I work in debt collection, so know exactly how to get hold of ANYONE!! Everyone of you degenerates has been traced today. If you doubt what I am saying I suggest you all have a quick look on how easy it is to get hold of people!! You have played right into my hands!! Gypo, you are first, Biscuit, second, and everyone else will be in whatever order I decide. Report me if you want. I don't give a f*ck. No-one talks about my dead brother like that. I will be interested to see what you have to say in the next few days!! My little brother is dead. I will never see him again, so you are naive at the very least if you thought I was gonna let you wa**kers get away with this. RIP - Tom Collister - he will always win!!
Abuse your position of trust at whatever debt recovery company you work for! I assume many will come across you in the new year at the local job centre, whilst you are trying to find new employment.
OK many of the comments have been hurtful, but the truth often is.
I challenge you to prove your claims and post my address on line. I will give you a clue I live in Norwood.
Infact post your address and we will come round and give you our comments personally.
I nominate your brother, Tom, for a Darwin Award.
The gene pool of this country has been vastly improved thanks to your brothers actions
daveydavey
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1:19pm Sat 4 Dec 10
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This is the Graffiti of Tom Collister, who some have claimed is art.
I let you make your own mind up
daveydavey
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1:22pm Sat 4 Dec 10
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This is the Graffiti of Tom Collister, who some have claimed is art.
I let you make your own mind up
The first link wouldnt work this one should. Copy and paste into your browser address bar
daveydavey
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1:26pm Sat 4 Dec 10
k/1/hi/england/76633
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Contains pictures of all the little oiks
luke1993
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1:33pm Sat 4 Dec 10
daveydavey
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1:34pm Sat 4 Dec 10
See you are not the only one who can threaten to trace people. You however, I doubt very much you cold reveal as much information as I can.
I have posted your address (Minus door number, ofcourse)
I challenge you to do the same.
Post my address and then Gypo, biscuit etc will take notice and believe your claims.
My Security words are cell-wear.
Very apt
http://yfrog.com/b7s
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Sammy333
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1:51pm Sat 4 Dec 10
Just leave Toms family alone and get on with your own lives. They have been through enough.
lind08
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2:12pm Sat 4 Dec 10
porkpie
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2:55pm Sat 4 Dec 10
tomssister wrote:Everyone of you degenerates has been traced today - Ball locks ! To start with there is the DPA 1998 to get pass. Which would not give the information you need any way. So unless you have hacked this site which means getting through firewalls, Packet filtering, Application gateways and finding the ISP numbers which is not a fool proof way of finding people address, because it depends what tier network they are using, then that is an empty threat. Now if you do have such information of people's ID then instead of going round to their address and have it out with them, there are better ways to get to the people that have spoken the mind on a public site. You say you work in debt collection, then you that more damage can be done in other ways. With all this information you reckon you have. You can make life hell by doing any of these:
Gypo, the last laugh will mosy certainly be on you :) Please ask yourself why I have been so calm and collected when responding to your comments!! I am more then aware that this post will be used as evidence against me, but obviously I don't give a f*ck!! I work in debt collection, so know exactly how to get hold of ANYONE!! Everyone of you degenerates has been traced today. If you doubt what I am saying I suggest you all have a quick look on how easy it is to get hold of people!! You have played right into my hands!! Gypo, you are first, Biscuit, second, and everyone else will be in whatever order I decide. Report me if you want. I don't give a f*ck. No-one talks about my dead brother like that. I will be interested to see what you have to say in the next few days!! My little brother is dead. I will never see him again, so you are naive at the very least if you thought I was gonna let you wa**kers get away with this. RIP - Tom Collister - he will always win!!
Identity cloning and concealment / Criminal identity theft / Synthetic identity theft / Medical identity theft.
However you haven’t traced anyone.
lind08
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4:31pm Sat 4 Dec 10
daveydavey
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10:13pm Sat 4 Dec 10
I hope so as I will go and graffiti all over it!!
daveydavey
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10:22pm Sat 4 Dec 10
Citygirl83
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10:36pm Sat 4 Dec 10
angel49
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10:50pm Sat 4 Dec 10
Gypo
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lind08
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1:28am Sun 5 Dec 10
daveydavey
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11:34am Sun 5 Dec 10
Sammy333 wrote:No The reason I know the address is I knew Jemma, Toms loudmouthed sister.
Davey, the reason you have the address of Stembridge road is because it was listed as Toms address you idiot! That took a lot of detective work didnt it!!!
Just leave Toms family alone and get on with your own lives. They have been through enough.
My brother went to school with Luke also
As for Tom simply show a picture of him to staff in Sainsbury's Beckenham and you will find out what a horrible little sh*tbag he was.
As I have said before Tom deserves a 'Darwin Award' as the country's gene pool has definitely benefited from his actions.
Im also surprised I didnt get corrected over Toms address it was Cherry Tree Way in West Wickham (atleast it used to be)
The world is better off without the likes of 'skeam'
and as for all of those who are claiming it is art, lets see how you would react to waking up on morning to discover an eight foot tag on the side of your house
MerryXmas
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12:27pm Sun 5 Dec 10
Not everyone has the same views, but there is no need to get personal with it.
Not that anyone is going to listen to me anyway!
RIP Tom Collister xxx
Locked and Loaded
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4:07pm Sun 5 Dec 10
MerryXmas wrote:My word you have a very short memory MerryXmas.
Ok, lets just all calm down now! There is no need for all this arguing and nastyness. Not everyone has the same views, but there is no need to get personal with it. Not that anyone is going to listen to me anyway! RIP Tom Collister xxx
"Go get run over by a bus or something,"
That was from one of your posts to someone. You hypocrite.
F.U.K. Tom Collister xxx
lind08
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5:00pm Sun 5 Dec 10
Familyguy321
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8:45pm Sun 5 Dec 10
Everyone else is to blame for a persons fault these days, he chose to tag/graffiti/art/ criminal damage call it what you want he wanted to do it. He knew it was wrong, but they were his clear of mind choices.
and whilst he was trying to bend the system to help his own methods he definitely didn't deserve to die, no one does.
to the family as posted earlier sorry for your grieving,
mpkc
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2:44pm Mon 6 Dec 10
Whatever the rights or wrongs of what Tom did his life is now at an end but his family must continue on without him. This family has enough to deal with without people taking the moral highground, people who most probably know as much about Tom as I do, which is absolutely nothing. Yes, this site is an arena for popular comment and debate but it should not be turned into a witch hunt. I think it would be correct to say that Tom has paid the ultimate price so why not leave the family to their grief? I am not condoning what Tom did, he was clearly wrong but please offer a bit of comfort to the family not vitriol and spite. Clearly, he hurt a lot of people when he was alive but they have, I assume, got over that and are carrying on with their lives. Tom cannot and neither can his family, it will be Christmas in a couple of weeks but I suppose it will be cancelled in their household. For all of you detractors out there ask yourself one question - how would you feel looking at unopened presents under the tree on Christmas morning?
To the family I would say take comfort from the fact that for every person that has made a nasty comment about your brother, there are most probably fifty, like me, that do not normally comment but feel for you and want you to know that our thoughts and prayers will be with you at this most difficult time. It does get easier with time - I speak from experience.
jaded1
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3:45pm Mon 6 Dec 10
I am sick of criminals once dead being glorified and as if by dying all the bad things they have ever done are wiped from memory.
As for the family quietly grieving,yes that's fine but who put this story into this domain where people can comment? His family....and then when criticism is written they resort to threats and foul-mouthed abuse.
ModernToss
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5:32pm Mon 6 Dec 10
lind08 wrote:Nonsense. Tom spent most of his life terrorising people across the borough, was arrested numerous times and never learnt his lesson. If he wasn't locked up what would he be doing? Committing more crime and abusing / assaulting more innocent people. If anything the sentence wasn't long enough and the streets are better off without him. As for his 'talent' he should have kept it to his scrapbook instead of costing the taxpayer thousands to clean up the trains and buildings that he ruined.
I still think its art,no matter what you say, Its just such a shame it was a wasted talent..I also think that had the police & justice system had acted sooner then all this dreadful tragedy might have been avoided...he could then had served a plausible punishment at the start & learned from it unfortunately that wasnt the case as in so many other crimes today.& I also think the sentence was way out of proportion for the crime , when you take into account the likes of rapists , child abusers , drink drivers,my friends son was killed by a drunken idiot he got 4 years but did less than 2.. doesnt quite add up does it ......
Gypo
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7:23pm Mon 6 Dec 10
lind08
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11:12pm Tue 7 Dec 10
angel49
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11:35am Wed 8 Dec 10
Gary Badget 6 months for Child Abuse!!! WTF!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Marty1979
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12:55pm Wed 8 Dec 10
Is that a threat? Certainly seems like one. Perhaps you could let us know who you work for so that we can notify your employers!
Should you chose to carry out your threats, then YOU could also be charged with a CRIMINAL offence.
People use the word graffiti, but it is simply CRIMINAL damage. He was convicted of a CRIME therefore sentanced accordingly.
Why should prison life be easy, with play stations, DVDs etc? Why should CRIMINALS get to chose where they serve their sentance?
haymaster
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1:17pm Wed 8 Dec 10
reasonable75
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1:26pm Wed 8 Dec 10
The name of his gang "Forever Doing Crime crew " indicates something about their outlook on society.
Locked and Loaded
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1:26pm Wed 8 Dec 10
Only a little ?
Check out his previous !
victimoftom
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2:11pm Wed 8 Dec 10
reasonable75
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2:28pm Wed 8 Dec 10
Wonder what she suggests should the judge have done ? Slap on the wrist?When convicted & given the ASBO, comment "As ringleader of half-a-dozen yobs, officials hope curbing 18-year-old Tom Collister's actions will help cut crime in Beckenham."
lind08
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4:55pm Wed 8 Dec 10
re; marty...she is hurting,heartbroken,
What she was saying did not start off like that it followed after lot,s of real nasty cruel comments from a few...you,d do the same if you,d lost your brother, its still someone that this family loved.In spite of everything .
Marty1979
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5:48pm Wed 8 Dec 10
As I have mentioned above "Gypo, you are first, Biscuit, second, and everyone else will be in whatever order I decide." That is a threat
jonbrown
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9:26pm Wed 8 Dec 10
A guy from USA who went to Australia for his honeymoon and killed her whilst scuba diving only got 18 months for his crime, it seems really hard to understand how someone can get 30 months for graffiti or criminal damage when no one was really hurt? Weird. I prefer to see graffiti than alot of the stupid ads forced upon us.
RIP and stay strong to his family.
lind08
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12:28am Thu 9 Dec 10
reasonable75
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7:05am Thu 9 Dec 10
What would you consider a "plausible punishment"?
Locked and Loaded
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11:46am Thu 9 Dec 10
With this scum bags previous, 30 months sounds about right to me. Life is all about choices, he, ( Tom ) made his choices, end of ! I still think this story is all about a compensation claim.
lind08
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12:34pm Thu 9 Dec 10
ly i just walk straight through them,but the difference is that in the past the police would turn up & give them a clip around the ear , they,d then go home & get another one from the parents .& yes folks once again i,m blaming Bomber jacket Blair & the God help us Brown for taking away the rights of the police & turning them into what appears to be complacent half hearted police force that would like to keep things under control but have their hands tied by ridiculous rules,& even if they do try & change things for the better it gets to court & some other silly person in a wig more often than not lets them off!!!! As for the compensation claim,if thats what the family think they should pursue then thats their buisness,I certainly think that the staff on "duty" should be sacked.
porkpie
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1:20pm Thu 9 Dec 10
victimoftom wrote:Says a lot about Tom and his pals.
This man was a horrible thug - I personally suffered racial abuse from him & his gang. And when I went to court last year I was threatened & abused by his friends, the police had to stop them and I am still scared because they know where I live have said they are going to sort me out
reasonable75
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2:00pm Thu 9 Dec 10
Bear in mind he was sentanced to 30 months, reduced to 20 months on appeal, and would probably not have served all that.
Had he been given a custodial sentance for his earlier crimes rather than an ASBO, how long would you suggest? And, if imprisoned, this tragedy may have occured earlier (as he was younger)
You consider his graffiti (criminal damage) art - would you feel the same if he had defaced your property?
Oldchap
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2:50pm Thu 9 Dec 10
When he was given the ASBO, the judge (or magistrate) would have made it perfectly clear to Tom that, if he re-offended, then he would go to prison
Tom chose to ignore this and carry on with criminal activity
He was 23, so comments "he was only young" are not valid. He was an adult and capable of understanding the consequences of his actions
There have been claims that he deserved a second chance - but he was given a second chance.
Looking at the factual reports of his previous conviction, given that number of conditions it would seem likely that he had been spoken to by the police without any charges being brought
How many chances does someone get?
BeckenhamCloud9
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3:31pm Thu 9 Dec 10
Biscuit wrote:don't do the crime!
If you can't do the time...
lind08
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5:07pm Thu 9 Dec 10
lind08
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5:10pm Thu 9 Dec 10
Marty1979
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6:09pm Thu 9 Dec 10
ASBOs are not always a soft option, but a reasonable attempt to cut the number of people in prison, thus saving the taxpayers a considerable amount
I would be interested if we see any comments from his sister & friends (M8S) to your suggestion about a harsher punishment, to "teach him a lesson"
lind08
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7:05pm Thu 9 Dec 10
Marty1979
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8:31pm Thu 9 Dec 10
lind08 wrote:Are these not your words "learned from it"???
I still think its art,no matter what you say, Its just such a shame it was a wasted talent..I also think that had the police & justice system had acted sooner then all this dreadful tragedy might have been avoided...he could then had served a plausible punishment at the start & learned from it unfortunately that wasnt the case as in so many other crimes today.& I also think the sentence was way out of proportion for the crime , when you take into account the likes of rapists , child abusers , drink drivers,my friends son was killed by a drunken idiot he got 4 years but did less than 2.. doesnt quite add up does it ......
Also what do you mean by:-
"you are missing the "action" , when all the sheep were going overboard trying to upset the family ...interesting to see that most of them done a runner when faced with a possible debt investigation.. strange that?"
Who mentioned debt investigation? tomssister has said she is going to use her position in a debt collection agency to trace people and - well, we don't know what she is going to do.
Doesn't make any sense so perhaps you could explain
Gypo
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10:38pm Thu 9 Dec 10
lind08
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10:40pm Thu 9 Dec 10
lind08
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10:54pm Thu 9 Dec 10
lind08
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11:11am Fri 10 Dec 10
Marty1979 wrote:They are not a reasonable attempt,they hardly work,If the tax payer had a voice that was listened to I reckon they,d prefer more prisons built then say for example yet another shopping centre. i don,t think there would have been as many messages had that been the case,I have to say it also now seems like you have jumped on the bandwagon with your toned down "lovely boy"comment ,but you,ve still done it!!its not good!
Had he been sentenced to 2 years for his earlier crimes there would have been a far bigger reation - you would have seen many times more messages on here claiming that a "lovely boy" should not be sent to prison.
ASBOs are not always a soft option, but a reasonable attempt to cut the number of people in prison, thus saving the taxpayers a considerable amount
I would be interested if we see any comments from his sister & friends (M8S) to your suggestion about a harsher punishment, to "teach him a lesson"
Marty1979
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11:15am Fri 10 Dec 10
Can you explain?
lind08
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2:57pm Fri 10 Dec 10
reasonable75
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7:25pm Fri 10 Dec 10
Althought I have read the notes from the beginning and must confess I am also a bit confused over lind08's comments (PS thank you for answering my earlier question)
lind08
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7:57pm Fri 10 Dec 10
jonbrown
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8:50pm Fri 10 Dec 10
Man what a total joke of a sentence from a **** up judge, paint on trains doesn't hurt anyone! Or make a train dangerous, it costs jack **** to clean. On the other hand smashing windows on a train makes the train very dangerous. We have to look at the stupid ads placed nearly everywhere when we ride the train, I'd personally rather see runners or track sides. Skeam did great work, very impressive, nice and colourful, thanks man!
RIP and ups to family and friends, and get **** to the haters and goody goodies who wont to live in a drab old grey world where its all concrete and metal and adverts for multi national companies.
Gypo
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9:34pm Fri 10 Dec 10
lind08, kent, you lost me about 4 posts ago. You are like a mad womans sh1t...all over the place. Keep taking the Prozac though, it's got to help sooner or later.
lind08
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10:37pm Fri 10 Dec 10
jonbrown,ldn=intelli
gent decent human being.
Gypo=unintelligent callous inhuman.
Gypo
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11:28pm Fri 10 Dec 10
I bet you are a council tenant ponce on the social. Gercha !!
lind08
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12:07am Sat 11 Dec 10
tomssister
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3:02am Sat 11 Dec 10
Let me tell you all NOTHING can prepare you for what a body would look like soon after death via ligature suspension. You are prepared least of all if that is a member of your family. I have seen my beautiful baby brother Tom laying on his own in a prison cell, mouth BLACK, feet BLACK, HANDS black. I know that means nothing to you savages, but it means more to me then you can ever begin to imagine. I have lost my little brother and I come on here and find complete strangers talking as if they are god. F*ck all of you as god will because you are evil. You all make up your own versions of my brother but tell me this - does he deserve to be dead? He's not going to be here for xmas, he's not going to be here for anything. He is dead because he did a bit of graffiti. I will never see him again. The rest of my life (and not just my life, but that of my family) will be forever tainted by the image of my little brother being found by strangers hanging. Now each and everyone of you misfits who have something bad to say against my boy, please address your abuse to me in future. Don't address it to my 23 year old brother who is dead. Address it to me.
Gypo you COWARD!!! Why would you think for a second you are something special? I thought I remembered you, but you are obviously so im-memorable that its a joke!! I have raked my brains and nothing!! Not that i'm losing any sleep you retard. You are just another loser hiding behind their PC. If you think finding out who you are is the top of my agenda then you class me as one of your own. Mate, if you are so tough then let me know who you are. If you don't then you are just another coward surfacing after my brother is dead. You are obviously scared of me, as you should be, because if you wasn't then you would make yourself known!!! Read back the posts you have out to me....you are very brave!! Let me know who you are and the we can put that to the test!! Until then, you will continue to be a nobody :)
Anyway, i hope you all have a lovely xmas, but i know you won;t because saddos never do.
God - what a sad life you must all live - - and I thiught I had it hard!!! Lol!!!!!!
tomssister
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3:11am Sat 11 Dec 10
tomssister
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3:17am Sat 11 Dec 10
tomssister
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3:21am Sat 11 Dec 10
lind08
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2:02pm Sat 11 Dec 10
jaded1
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3:15pm Sat 11 Dec 10
Gypo
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4:46pm Sat 11 Dec 10
Jemma your brother was an A hole, typical of his type. OK giving it the large one to the meek and timid. Gets a little of his own medicine back and folds up like a cheap deck chair.
Try Thistlebrook Abbey Wood, just ask for the old Gypo. Late afternoon, early evening is best time. Watch out for the old lady though she gets a bit boisterous.
lind08
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5:55pm Sat 11 Dec 10
angel49
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6:38pm Sat 11 Dec 10
Gypo wrote:Gypo, What a C**T you are!!! Get back to your trailer you waste of life!! Ip address I think!!!
lind08, kent, take your tongue out of Collisters sisters chocolate starfish. Its sickening. Jemma your brother was an A hole, typical of his type. OK giving it the large one to the meek and timid. Gets a little of his own medicine back and folds up like a cheap deck chair. Try Thistlebrook Abbey Wood, just ask for the old Gypo. Late afternoon, early evening is best time. Watch out for the old lady though she gets a bit boisterous.
angel49
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6:41pm Sat 11 Dec 10
lind08 wrote:lindo8 - Well said mate!
To Tomssister,Just wanted to say, you have courage,it shines through, my heart breaks for you & your family,whats happened is a terrible thing to come to terms with,I know you will always have those images in your head,I have experienced a similar tragedy & I know its difficult to keep a grip on life & go forward.I believe though that you are strong minded enough to do so ,for your child also.I really don,t understand the vemon that came flooding out,only these people know why they are so devoid of any compassion, all I can say to you is that you will see Tom again one day,I,m not overly religous,its hard to have faith in anything after such dreadful events.But due to an illness that very nearly took my life I can say to you that there is a chance you will see him again .I have no proof as such ,just my word,sorry & I hope that what I,ve said does not start the cruelty off again if it does then aim it at me..genuinely sorry for you & your family.x
Marty1979
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7:17pm Sat 11 Dec 10
tomssister wrote:Just wondering, When he was 18 & received the ASBO, one of the conditions was to "....ban him from being abusive, racist or homophobic ..."
victimoftom - you liar - is all I can say about you. Tomwas not/is not a racist!! My daughter is mixed race, 50% of Toms friends are not originally from England so sorry to say that you are a total fantasist. I would imagine you are in conjunction with one of the other idiots on here. Either/or x x x x
So why was that mentioned?
Marty1979
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7:20pm Sat 11 Dec 10
jaded1 wrote:I wonder.
Didn't he have an ASBO stopping him using racist or homophobic langauge? How did he get that then if he wasn't committing those offences?
Gypo
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8:09pm Sat 11 Dec 10
As for Wayne and Waynetta slob, your lack of capital letters and punctuation tells me everything I need to know about you. Education, education, education, try some it will do you the power of good. As for working for the NS, what do you deliver some papers for them
Now I'm not around much during the day as I have a business to run. I haven't made threats to anyone, that ain't my style. All I've done is have the front to tell a few of you what you don't want to hear. Hard luck, the truth hurts.
IP address, don't make me laugh even more.
angel49
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9:31pm Sat 11 Dec 10
lind08
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9:51pm Sat 11 Dec 10
Oldchap
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1:33pm Mon 13 Dec 10
Wonder where is is serving his sentence?
http://www.newsshopp
er.co.uk/news/868461
7.PLUMSTEAD__BROCKLE
Y___NEW_CROSS___Want
on__graffiti_vandal_
jailed_for___113_000
_spree/
Biscuit says...
4:18pm Thu 2 Dec 10