DEPTFORD: Cousins jailed for train station attack (From News Shopper)

Sickening!...
Animals!

For all of your information... The DRUNK man dragged Daniel off the train after a argument on the train, they both fell to the floor got up and Daniel punched the man ONCE and was telling the man to get up so that he could hit him again and the man didnt get up. He was left in his coma because he hit his head on the pavement! So Kaz04 from Abbey Wood, I suggest you take your eyes from your arse next time and keep your lies that you didn't see to yourself!!! And I don't know what Black Male has made you hate the rest of them but DO NOT BRING YOUR PAIN THAT YOU GOT FROM ANOTHER PERSON AND BRING IT TO TWO YOUNG BOYS THAT WAS ONLY PROTECTING THEMSELVES!! And as for JuliaM from Essex, Was you there? What the BTP CHAP says is what liars like Kaz has said... People need to stop believing the press so much after all they are getting paid for a story do you really think they care if it is true or not? Think about that!!

The-TruthTeller wrote:
For all of your information... The DRUNK man dragged Daniel off the train after a argument on the train, they both fell to the floor got up and Daniel punched the man ONCE and was telling the man to get up so that he could hit him again and the man didnt get up. He was left in his coma because he hit his head on the pavement! So Kaz04 from Abbey Wood, I suggest you take your eyes from your arse next time and keep your lies that you didn't see to yourself!!! And I don't know what Black Male has made you hate the rest of them but DO NOT BRING YOUR PAIN THAT YOU GOT FROM ANOTHER PERSON AND BRING IT TO TWO YOUNG BOYS THAT WAS ONLY PROTECTING THEMSELVES!! And as for JuliaM from Essex, Was you there? What the BTP CHAP says is what liars like Kaz has said... People need to stop believing the press so much after all they are getting paid for a story do you really think they care if it is true or not? Think about that!!

No one got paid you tool ! So what about all the people that saw these two scum bags kicking the bloke when he's down. What's next granny bashing? One more thing do you want a fish and some newspaper....... to go with that chip on your shoulder.

So news paper reporters and news reader don't get paid you FOOL... Come better then that! And you people are so gulible!! Let them fool you!

i c the whole thing and kazo4 what r u on i was on that train u r a liar and should be arrested 4 givein a fonny statement. a girl was giving all the mouth with her boy friend. all because she fired up on booze. and Lee thought he was the man in front off his girlfriend and took it a step more by draggin and wresling with the black boy daniel off the train on the platform. The poor young man was only forced to defend him self. and its sad that it had to come to that. Its funny how the cctv footage on the train and on the platform was missin and its funny how all the media hype it up. 1st it was gang related with 3 males and a young lady with a baby. And the facts are the two off them were on there way home from work and a arrguement broke out. Don't get me wrong i do feel sorry for what happend to lee but that could off happened to any 1. Its a shame that 2 young man got sentanced for a act off self deffence. My heart go's out 2to all the familys that have been affected by this silly moment off madness

Here Here 2fr London.

To the truth-teller (who was not there)

You stupid person,There hasnever been any black male who has upset me why is everything about race and colour I could not care less wether the Lee Christopher was pink with blue spots and Daniel and Darly Traille was purple with yellow spots. This is to do with two horrible little boys who can not behave themselfs and have no respect for anyone - big men they were starting a fight with 1 man who was with a group of woman- yeah you are right lee christoper was laying on the platform with the two idoits kicking him in the head thats how he got into HIS coma,and im not blind and my eyes that night were certainly not in my arse and if daniel was the only one who hit him then how comes daryl has been put away as well you numpty!!!!
Was you there that night, no you wasnt, cos it was only the two of them!! cos if you was there, you would have been involved and been put away yourself idoit and for information I havnt been paid and if i was offered any money i would do it for free to see any no hope numpty losers, go away for a long time regardless of their race or colour.

To 2fr

If you was there that night and some of the things you say about the girl shouting her mouth off is correct cos i heard her shouting, cos if your reading was better than your writing, you would see that i had written that i was in the carriage that night but obviously you must have had your eyes in your arse that night cos you would have seen BOTH of them KICKING lee christopher in the HEAD still while he was LAYING THERE WITH NO MOVEMENT that is why they have both been put away, it is not about who started what, its about the actions of two stupid little boys who are actually the age of being men and how can it be a shame and an act of self defence when it was two on to one????? and before you say that im related lee christopher in anyway- sorry to disappoint anyone, no I am not!!!!! just a passenger who wanted to get home like the rest of the people on the train.

As someone who hadn't actually heard this story until it was reported by NS the other day I have a question for The Truth Teller -

Why, if Daniel was acting in self defence, did he go to punch him a second time?

"they both fell to the floor got up and Daniel punched the man ONCE and was telling the man to get up so that he could hit him again and the man didnt get up. He was left in his coma because he hit his head on the pavement!!!" (Your words)

I could maybe understand punching a guy once to defend yourself, but asking the guy (who has just fallen to the floor) to get up so he could punch him again??? That's not self defence!! That's violence pure and simple. So even if Daniel started off being the victim, he certainly didn't end up the victim, because he clearly had the upper hand by that stage.

If Daniel was so worried about Lee Christopher being drunk* and aggressive, all he had to do was walk quickly out of the station, get on a bus and head away from the area. He did not have to punch him and then demand that Lee Christopher get up so he could punch him again.

Self defence has become a 'buzz' word for anyone charged with an aggressive crime. There are other ways to react in a violent confrontation. He could've gotten Lee Christopher off the train and then stayed on to the next station, hence avoiding trouble, he could've ignored him. It's become all too easy these days to fight fire with fire. Someone's violent to you and "disrespects you", you hit 'em. Then you cry and whinge and stamp your feet when you get caught and punished for it.

I'm not having a go here, because I the families of those two boys have just had to see them go to prison. It's not nice and they're going to be very upset. And maybe Lee Christopher was being drunk, but it was a train at 11:40pm - I'm yet to travel on a SE Train at that time of the night and not witness loud drunk people. You ignore them, or move carriages.

(*I don't know if Lee Christopher was drunk at the time)

And I'm not being racist, and I've not had a 'black person' upset/hurt me - I actually usually find that people starting fights on trains from London at that time of the night are p*ssed businessmen from London, headong home after a works do, or girls coming home from a night out.

You can't win once the " cause I is black " card has been played.

What has happened to the English language?
I can just about understand your 'Text-Speak'.
I have to say though, I found your inane ramblings somewhat amusing.
Please continue to embarrass yourselves and give the readers with an IQ larger then your shoesize rating something to smile about.

Knowing only what I have read about this case I make the following comments;Firstly the scum who did this deserve all they got.Secondly their supporters show their great ignorance in their comments above and decent people like me would say typical of the yobs in this country.Thirdly the jury heard all the evidence,not just hearsay and the racial crap spouted here,all they found them guilty.
Every time a black person is found guilty you cannot keep crying racism.Take some responsibilty for your own actions

atmydesk how could this humour and amusse you. thats sick. we are talking about 3 people that been effected in a big way by a silly moment off madness. And i strongly aggree that lee should off got a sentance for startin and made the 1st move. and what happend to to Lee could off happend 2 any 1. i dont think that any off them should off been sentance. and it so funny how the cctv from the train and the platform went missing and that was the key 2 prove every thing with out no 1 judgein. what can't speak can't lie. Like i said i fell 4 all 3 familys that have been affected by this silly moment off madness

This is quite funny, the criminals sibling commenting on this page is at least 3 of the random people in favour of these 2 thugs. I suggest using your noggin a little better if you want to pretend to be other people on the internet, but I assume it's beyond you since your language skills are rather limited.

I would also like to say, since you weren't there then you have zero say on this matter and you don't know what happened anymore than anyone else who wasn't there. Whether or not your relatives were involved in irrelevant, the only people who know the truth are the 1st hand witnesses of this incident. So like it or not, whatever you say is purely an opinion and nothing more.

Lastly, why are you playing the race card? Who gives a monkeys what colour people are, if somebody commits a crime then they gotta do the time. From what your saying you seem to have the opinion that people of black race who are commit a crime and are sentenced for it are generally wrongly accused because of their colour? Seriously, do people still think like this? The fact is a jury found the two men guilty of their crimes based upon the evidence at hand including I assume numerous witnesses.

You haven't a leg to stand on defending them, so I suggest you wind your neck in and behave yourself unlike these two brainless morons who're now serving a few years behind bars.

Thank you and goodnight.

Someone please tell me why this has turned into "race", "language" and "pay checks". Daniel and Daryl are not my brother, cousin or family relative and they are both good people. Daryl is a loving father and Daniel is a loving son. I hope my language and grammer is O.K for you people as that is what this artical has turned around to.

Somebody should nuke the UK ASAP!

i met the young man daniel he is a very polite and well educated young man he is not a street thug he will do anything for anyone

I myself know Daniel,” animal scum bag lowlife criminal”, whatever! I’ve sat here and had to read one of my close friends be publically lambasted with anyone claiming his innocence undermined and labelled as an idiot. In all honesty as soon as Daniel hit that Swiss imbecile he was always going to have the law against him, he should have never taken the law into his own hands. But knowing Daniel and the person he is he would have never been the primary aggressor in the situation and has clearly been the victim of "example making" and a severe miscarriage of justice. eight and a half years for a crime with no physical evidence only witness accounts, a child could see this trial was intrinsic flawed from the outset, you wouldn’t even need to know the people involved. I make no excuses for anyone you, I tell it like it is, some how the "victim" has ended up in a coma, the situation went too far undoubtedly but it works both ways because which trial in any country at any level can be deemed remotely fair when evidence from at least two distinct points of CCTV cameras (on the train and on the platform) have gone missing? If I was to scribe graffiti on a wall, my charges would not stand on the basis of witness accounts let alone a charge which has seen 17 years taken from two young men without the blinking of an eye. The final point I would like to briefly illustrate is that comments have arisen saying that ethnic minorities are too quick to draw for the race card in any situation. This notion works both ways as individuals’ comments which have preceded my own are to quick to dismiss genuine claims as" the every ethnics excuse". Realistically if there are people like this sitting in allegedly impartial jury’s across the country, they are likely to see what this jury effectively did see, two black boys beating up an "innocent" white man without provocation deserving of severed reprimand. Daniel has always been a good genuine boy, I simply hope this undeserved stretch in prison does not turn him into the very thing these morally bankrupt judges and jurors have pre-emptively labelled him. P.S well done Lee Christopher you not only got away with unnecessarily racially abusing two young black men, you also got them sentenced for a combined 17 years, compensated for your drunken stupidity and a supported with a massive public outcry of sympathy, bravo. Kryptik.

Good riddance to bad rubbish say I.
They look like a pair of Crack-Heads.
The prison sentence should help them clean up.
In their defence though, atleast they both had the balls to hand themselves in.
The sentence should be appealed as 8 and a half years is a bit excessive for the offence.
I have read of people getting lesser sentences for manslaghter.
One being Toby Sawyer from Roundshaw who received 5 years for manslaughter after he stabbed a man through the heart and killed him.

I guess these "perfect boys" had no previous convictions,or had they been unfairly convicted just through their colour before?
Sorry for the correct spelling and diction,i'm not scum defending other scum.

I have been following this thread since the beginning. There have some disgusting comments from both sides of the discussion. I do not believe what happened should be reduced to an argument about grammar or colour. On the day we are all talking about I was coming home from an art gallery with friends . I am 40 years old and my name is Lee Christopher. I was brought up in a mixed raced family (West Indian /English) and do not consider myself to be a bad person. Can I tell you what I think of the situation? Yes, I was in a coma for nearly a month and lost memory from before that day and considerably after. This is not my attempt to hide any details, or a ploy to cover my tracks. This is not my version of ‘misplaced’ CCTV footage. I can only say to you what I know, which is very little. I know I never pushed for this case. It rolled on whilst in hospital. I had other concerns. I have never fought to prosecute people. Or lied. They fact they are black is of no concern to me. I never knew that till months after. I believed that the trial would be based on other people’s observations of the event .And that whatever actually happened would be shown in court. It had to, because I honestly don’t know what occurred. If I knew and had done some of the things I’m being accused of in this thread, I would admit it. How could I live with putting people in jail because I’m afraid of telling the truth? Do I like two young men being in prison? Away from their family and friends. No. The last year has been equally difficult both for me and my family and them and theirs. I think about this every day. As you do. And will continue to do so. If you believe the outcome of this trial is wrong... Appeal. Find new evidence. Do not give up on your family.

This is the only time I will comment on this page. I will not reply to any other questions.

Let me get this straight, all you supporters of these cowards seriously think all the witnesses ( who were at the scene ) were ALL wrong in what they actually did see. The jury were 12 all white KKK members. Get real please.
Did it occur to you supporters of these men that just maybe it's them that are lying to you.
Let me assure you if this was two white men punching and kicking the cra p out of a drunk my feelings would be the same. Cowards, and they deserve all they have got.
Strange how all the supporters of these scum bags need a serious dose of English language skills.

The-TruthTeller wrote:
So news paper reporters and news reader don't get paid you FOOL... Come better then that! And you people are so gulible!! Let them fool you!

Maybe you should try and understand English first before you use it. You said this... "People need to stop believing the press so much after all they are getting paid for a story. " You are suggesting that people get paid for their story by the press. Well this is the News Shopper not some big national paper. Yes reporters get paid for doing a job just like everyone else gets paid for doing a job. If any falsehoods have been written then take them to court. Newsreaders get paid to read the news, as simple as that. I don't see your point on this one. Would it have been better if Trevor McDonald had reported it. Tell me what this is meant to mean " Come better then that!" ?????

Some of you lot need to get your facts right before posting on here...... Sorry that should read lies right before posting on here: speedie172, dartford says...
6:34am Fri 16 Jul 10
about sickening animals no 1 knows the truth my brother and cousin was on there way home from work all they wanted is to get home and rest.....OK you have all read that then this gets posted......lil megz, southeast says...
1:58pm Sat 17 Jul 10: I WAS IN LABOUR DAT DAY HE WAS ON HES WAY HOME 2 ME FROM WORK........ Maybe you should just stick with the same lie. One more thing you also " MY LIL GIRL IS LEFT WITH NO DAD" ... He's not dead is he so how is she left with no dad. I can see that by the way you spell and think that the only way to better yourself was to lay on your back and spread your legs. People like you should not be allowed to breed. The tax payer has properly bought everything you own. Maybe you and your type should just try fitting in to British society instead of telling everyone they are racist. That chip your carrying must be a burden.

That was a question, "So newspaper reporters don't get paid?". And come better then that meaning come better with your lies!!

If you go back and read the first few comments on this story the only people who mention colour or race are the supporters of these two cowards.
Go play your race card somewhere else idiots, and while you're at it learn to read and write so that we can all understand your gibberish/ pigeon 'English'.

Locked and Loaded wrote:
If you go back and read the first few comments on this story the only people who mention colour or race are the supporters of these two cowards.
Go play your race card somewhere else idiots, and while you're at it learn to read and write so that we can all understand your gibberish/ pigeon 'English'.

Pal, who are all of Daniel's supporters that are speaking pigeon English. I think its bordering embarrassing that you feel the need to undermine the opinions of other's by dragging this into a debate about language and semantics. What do you want a round of applause for speaking in perfect diction? Listen if you have a point to make than make it, your opinion is as relevant as the next person's. But don’t you ever try and ridicule other’s who have genuine feelings by reiterating pointless statements about reading and writing. It's not impressive nobody respects you for it; you simply come across as an irritating condescending ****. Much appreciated pal and take care. Kryptik. (Free Daniel)

Mr kryptik wrote:

Locked and Loaded wrote: If you go back and read the first few comments on this story the only people who mention colour or race are the supporters of these two cowards. Go play your race card somewhere else idiots, and while you're at it learn to read and write so that we can all understand your gibberish/ pigeon 'English'.

Pal, who are all of Daniel's supporters that are speaking pigeon English. I think its bordering embarrassing that you feel the need to undermine the opinions of other's by dragging this into a debate about language and semantics. What do you want a round of applause for speaking in perfect diction? Listen if you have a point to make than make it, your opinion is as relevant as the next person's. But don’t you ever try and ridicule other’s who have genuine feelings by reiterating pointless statements about reading and writing. It's not impressive nobody respects you for it; you simply come across as an irritating condescending ****. Much appreciated pal and take care. Kryptik. (Free Daniel)

Any intelligent citizen can see a stark correlation between black racists that hate white people, who can't spell and who support violent crime. The comments on this article is full of these people.
The only people who have mentioned race here are black & are themselves racists. Fact.
We're not living in 1950's Alabama. So I won't the police fitted them up.
They beat a man, almost to death. The investigation was done by a Police force that has a large percentage of non-white officers. Processed by the CPS, who have a large percentage of non white employees. Then under our fair legal system, convicted on the evidence provided to 12 random men and women.
At no point does the have anything to do with ethnic origin. Its to do with how they were raised by their scum parents and scum family. What scum friends they have.
Both subjects are where they should be, locked away from the public for the safety of the public.

The-TruthTeller wrote:
That was a question, "So newspaper reporters don't get paid?". And come better then that meaning come better with your lies!!

Please do point out these so called lies. You also said this...... " People need to stop believing the press so much after all they are getting paid for a story do you really think they care if it is true or not? " There is such a thing in this country as liable ( Look it up ) So if lies have been printed you can take alegded newspaper to court.

ho_ho_ho wrote:

Mr kryptik wrote:

Locked and Loaded wrote: If you go back and read the first few comments on this story the only people who mention colour or race are the supporters of these two cowards. Go play your race card somewhere else idiots, and while you're at it learn to read and write so that we can all understand your gibberish/ pigeon 'English'.

Pal, who are all of Daniel's supporters that are speaking pigeon English. I think its bordering embarrassing that you feel the need to undermine the opinions of other's by dragging this into a debate about language and semantics. What do you want a round of applause for speaking in perfect diction? Listen if you have a point to make than make it, your opinion is as relevant as the next person's. But don’t you ever try and ridicule other’s who have genuine feelings by reiterating pointless statements about reading and writing. It's not impressive nobody respects you for it; you simply come across as an irritating condescending ****. Much appreciated pal and take care. Kryptik. (Free Daniel)

Any intelligent citizen can see a stark correlation between black racists that hate white people, who can't spell and who support violent crime. The comments on this article is full of these people. The only people who have mentioned race here are black & are themselves racists. Fact. We're not living in 1950's Alabama. So I won't the police fitted them up. They beat a man, almost to death. The investigation was done by a Police force that has a large percentage of non-white officers. Processed by the CPS, who have a large percentage of non white employees. Then under our fair legal system, convicted on the evidence provided to 12 random men and women. At no point does the have anything to do with ethnic origin. Its to do with how they were raised by their scum parents and scum family. What scum friends they have. Both subjects are where they should be, locked away from the public for the safety of the public.

well what can we say these boys was not raised by scum parents they come from a loveing home please stop putting bad comments on hear what has been done we cannot change it thank u theres worse people out there this has to stop

Mr kryptik wrote:

Locked and Loaded wrote: If you go back and read the first few comments on this story the only people who mention colour or race are the supporters of these two cowards. Go play your race card somewhere else idiots, and while you're at it learn to read and write so that we can all understand your gibberish/ pigeon 'English'.

Pal, who are all of Daniel's supporters that are speaking pigeon English. I think its bordering embarrassing that you feel the need to undermine the opinions of other's by dragging this into a debate about language and semantics. What do you want a round of applause for speaking in perfect diction? Listen if you have a point to make than make it, your opinion is as relevant as the next person's. But don’t you ever try and ridicule other’s who have genuine feelings by reiterating pointless statements about reading and writing. It's not impressive nobody respects you for it; you simply come across as an irritating condescending ****. Much appreciated pal and take care. Kryptik. (Free Daniel)

However if the next person's post is not readable and doesn't use even a basic form of English. Then how can this person be taken serious when they do not show any basic form of intelligence. Fill in a applcation form for a job using that sort of English and you will be on the dole for the rest of your life. Practice makes perfect.

miss stars wrote:

ho_ho_ho wrote:

Mr kryptik wrote:

Locked and Loaded wrote: If you go back and read the first few comments on this story the only people who mention colour or race are the supporters of these two cowards. Go play your race card somewhere else idiots, and while you're at it learn to read and write so that we can all understand your gibberish/ pigeon 'English'.

Pal, who are all of Daniel's supporters that are speaking pigeon English. I think its bordering embarrassing that you feel the need to undermine the opinions of other's by dragging this into a debate about language and semantics. What do you want a round of applause for speaking in perfect diction? Listen if you have a point to make than make it, your opinion is as relevant as the next person's. But don’t you ever try and ridicule other’s who have genuine feelings by reiterating pointless statements about reading and writing. It's not impressive nobody respects you for it; you simply come across as an irritating condescending ****. Much appreciated pal and take care. Kryptik. (Free Daniel)

Any intelligent citizen can see a stark correlation between black racists that hate white people, who can't spell and who support violent crime. The comments on this article is full of these people. The only people who have mentioned race here are black & are themselves racists. Fact. We're not living in 1950's Alabama. So I won't the police fitted them up. They beat a man, almost to death. The investigation was done by a Police force that has a large percentage of non-white officers. Processed by the CPS, who have a large percentage of non white employees. Then under our fair legal system, convicted on the evidence provided to 12 random men and women. At no point does the have anything to do with ethnic origin. Its to do with how they were raised by their scum parents and scum family. What scum friends they have. Both subjects are where they should be, locked away from the public for the safety of the public.

well what can we say these boys was not raised by scum parents they come from a loveing home please stop putting bad comments on hear what has been done we cannot change it thank u theres worse people out there this has to stop

How someone behaves with their family can be totally different when away from them. When they want people to show them respect and don't want to lose any street cred.

Mr kryptik, Saturn get something straight BOY, I aint ya pal OK. Never have been never will be OK BOY!!

Now thats straight, thanks for the post that at least we can all read.

Your 'friends' are where they belong, banged up. Get over it. Now wind your neck in BOY and run along.

miss stars wrote:

ho_ho_ho wrote:

Mr kryptik wrote:

Locked and Loaded wrote: If you go back and read the first few comments on this story the only people who mention colour or race are the supporters of these two cowards. Go play your race card somewhere else idiots, and while you're at it learn to read and write so that we can all understand your gibberish/ pigeon 'English'.

Pal, who are all of Daniel's supporters that are speaking pigeon English. I think its bordering embarrassing that you feel the need to undermine the opinions of other's by dragging this into a debate about language and semantics. What do you want a round of applause for speaking in perfect diction? Listen if you have a point to make than make it, your opinion is as relevant as the next person's. But don’t you ever try and ridicule other’s who have genuine feelings by reiterating pointless statements about reading and writing. It's not impressive nobody respects you for it; you simply come across as an irritating condescending ****. Much appreciated pal and take care. Kryptik. (Free Daniel)

Any intelligent citizen can see a stark correlation between black racists that hate white people, who can't spell and who support violent crime. The comments on this article is full of these people. The only people who have mentioned race here are black & are themselves racists. Fact. We're not living in 1950's Alabama. So I won't the police fitted them up. They beat a man, almost to death. The investigation was done by a Police force that has a large percentage of non-white officers. Processed by the CPS, who have a large percentage of non white employees. Then under our fair legal system, convicted on the evidence provided to 12 random men and women. At no point does the have anything to do with ethnic origin. Its to do with how they were raised by their scum parents and scum family. What scum friends they have. Both subjects are where they should be, locked away from the public for the safety of the public.

well what can we say these boys was not raised by scum parents they come from a loveing home please stop putting bad comments on hear what has been done we cannot change it thank u theres worse people out there this has to stop

Oh I see. Now your saying scum cannot be loving?
Just because their parents loved them, doesn't mean the parents or the rest of the family were anything but scum. Its a natural instinct to love your children. It means nothing. If you'd said their mother and father had focused on their childrens studies hard from primary school up to the end of their A levels, providing extra tuition and vocational studies. Which enabled them to get a great results and a solid start in adult life, maybe we'd believe you. Turning a blind eye to smoking weed in their room, while their dad pimps out their mum for Gin, doesn't make the upbringing good. Clear for everyone?
Reap what you sew morons. Raised by scum. Became scum. The parents failings ruined a mans life and put him in a coma. Thankfully their scum children are locked up.
All the scum friends posting here, I just hope your all locked up soon. I don't want my children sharing the same oxygen as you degenerates.

Locked and Loaded wrote:
Mr kryptik, Saturn get something straight BOY, I aint ya pal OK. Never have been never will be OK BOY!!

Now thats straight, thanks for the post that at least we can all read.

Your 'friends' are where they belong, banged up. Get over it. Now wind your neck in BOY and run along.

Get a grip you imbecile!! its funny that you criticise people for using slang and gibberish "wind your neck in boy" hardly the Queen's English is it now! your right about one thing my friend is in prison, if its a matter of where he belongs? well that bits debatable. Finally I call you pal because I make every effort not to be rude I was brought up not dragged up. If you calling me a boy makes you feel better then go for it PAL but you have no idea who I am or what i'm about. Just because your name is "locked and loaded" it doesn't make you anymore threatening.

Look leave it there I wish the best for all of the families and individuals involved.

Funny how the first lot of people that posted have nothing to say any more. Sorry my mistake your properly visiting him in prison.

Porkpie they have nothing more to say as they know they have no credibility with decent honest people.

Mr kryptik, Saturn make me smile he throws the insults out then when he decides he has had enough 'HE" tells you to leave it at that. Silly 'BOY'.

I guess all the supporters of these two cretins are waiting for their VOs to go visit them. For sure they wont be writing them, even the interpreters inside would have a problem deciphering " dis, dat, de, etc etc pigeon 'Engerish' "

Locked and Loaded : Your right. I think they have moved onto failbook, were they can control what people post. So much for freedom of speech. Funny that word freedom. I would hope that Daniel Traille and Daryl Traille have a long think about it while locked up.

Look “Locked and loaded”, I stopped commenting because in all honestly being drawn into a debate with you is like me stepping off the road to fight in a gutter, it just gets you dirty. You are an absolute joke in every sense of the word. There have been arguments from both ends of the spectrum in most cases that I can relate to and understand their viewpoint, but you make flippant and pointless statements and keep dragging it back to an argument over spelling and grammar. Furthermore you say decent honest people, I work in the medical field every single day ,I’m fairly confident I have done more in the last month to help people than you have all year so don’t try and make me out as the average low-life and invite others to jump on the bandwagon. take a look back whos quoted you , who's supporting you ? no-one you’re an ignorant clown who feels that by spouting off derogatory words and undermining statements people are going to relate? revere you as some sort of judicial genius political freethinker, no you regurgitate the same nonsense and think you reinvented the wheel. Even the people that are saying the same things as you don't come across half as poorly and ill-mannered as you, you keep spilling the same nonsense about " Pigeon English and low-life scum" YOUR NAME IS LOCKED AND LOADED WHAT DO YOU THINK PEOPLE THINK WHEN THEY SEE THAT? you try and criticise me BUT YOUR NAME IS A REFERENCE TO GUN USE!!, so really and truly who comes across as the reprobate. Now out of respect for the people and families involved I will stop commenting because I feel that my comments are stemming from sheer ridicule of you as opposed to the seriousness of the incident that has taken place. feel free to comment about me as much as you want. take care God bless.

Mr kryptik, Saturn well well there was me thinking you had left it at that. Seems not ha, got your panties all in a bunch now haven't you BOY.

My name has to do with a state of mind, you think what you like though. As for flippant, that's my middle name, how did you guess ?
When you say you work in the medical field, I take that to mean you are one of those useless hospital cleaners.

Newsshopper - do we really have to put up with this?

So many of these discussions end like this.

Family members will obviously support their kin. They know one side of the story (as it has been told to them) the court hears another and the jury finds as it sees fit. Miscarriages of justice happen but I hope they are rare.

Whatever the real truth is here it is a shame that 3 people have had their lives changed for good over something that sounds as if it was completely avoidable. If the boys did it then I hope they get their heads down, do their time and come out the other end better people (although I am not sure that our prison system in conducive to this). If they didn’t then I hope the appeal system works. I also wish the victim well and hope that full health is regained.
*Rant*
Calling everyone associated with the two men scum is ignorant and is done purely to stir up an internet battle. Sweeping statements and assumptions are pathetic and do nothing to add to educated debate (funny how those that pick up people on their grammar go on to show how poorly educated and 'brought up' they have been by slagging off all and sundry ).
Sadly there are far too many windup merchants on the NS site that have no interest other than to insult, hurt and clog up otherwise interesting threads.
I have seen the worst of human nature on this site and not from reports of the news. Open up any story about a young person being stabbed or killed in a car crash, etc and you can see so many comments that contain nothing but bile....”probably a junkie”, “must have been speeding, drunk, drugged, in a stolen car, on the run from the police”, “they deserved it”, etc, etc. I dearly hope some of these people do not have children of their own as this fragile society we live in will just become more and more intolerant.
Sorry to rant ‘off-topic’ but I’m afraid the WUMs get to me sometimes.
*Rant end *

PCNS, SE9 a good rant, that's fine coming from someone with MPD.

Listen get whoever you live with ( mother perhaps ) to call the fire brigade to bring a large crow bar to get you free from the PC.
Don't tell anyone but you don't have to read anything you don't like.
Who died and made you Internet censor by the way ?

Not sure I understand the MPD. Have I commented differently elsewhere?

I do not agree with censorship btw. Re-reading my post I can see that my comment to the NS to stop posters making deliberate inflamatory comments could be construde that way. It was not my intention. Free speech is important and perhaps I just feel a little sad that there are people in our community that like to twist the knife. I shall just have to remove my rose tinted specs and accept that some people are just like that.

PCNS.......you say - So many of these discussions end like this.
We don't accept people like you being sympathetic to scum that nearly beat a man to death.

I stopped reading your post around the line where you write and I quote "Miscarriages of justice happen"

Yeh, sure they do. Birmingham 6, Guildford 4 etc. Your scummy mates, NO.

The phrase "Rose tinted spectacles" applies here. You clearly have a very very small brain.

You support scum = You are scum.

ho-ho-ho. What a jolly name for such a bitter person.

Perhaps you should have read on....you may have understood my point a little better than you appear to.


I have no idea whether these chaps actually did it and nor do you. We put our faith in the law and the jury and frankly we have a pretty good system.

If these chaps did not do it then they can appeal.

Any sibling or parent will supoprt a their relative. It does not make them scum - just familiy. You know nothing of the family in this case (perhaps a large assumption on my part) and yet your default stance is that they are all "scum" merely by association.

I just find that these discussions degnerate into to bullying, cheap name calling and pety snipes at grammar before we get any real meat out of the debate. But hey - Perhaps I'm just an idealist..

PCNS, SE9 I'm not sure when you started to read this article but there were the usual semi literate morons supporting these two cowards.
One comment was from an actual witness who made a statement to the police telling what she did see. She was set upon verbally by the supporters telling her she only said what she did because she was a racist. ( the race card again ! ) These comments were removed because it did get into a slanging match.
Now I've done enough jury service to know how hard it is for the CPS to get any conviction, and for a judge to give these two eight and half years tells me they had some previous. I would also be very surprised if this case had an all white jury. As you rightly say there is the appeals process to right any wrongs.

PCNS, SE9, you and I have a different perception of the definition of scum.
I'm not bitter, I just tell it how it is. If you want to give these scum a home and some income support. Support them when they have 8 kids with many dads. Bring up scum kids and re start the cycle. Your welcome to. One thing is for sure, these scum, their family, their supporters & you will never ever live in my road or near me in Ide Hill. However, in SE9 they will. So you enjoy that won't you.

"If the boys did it then I hope they get their heads down.."

Oh I'm sure they will

L&L. I did come to it rather late and thought the comments looked a little disjointed at the beginning. If a bonifide witness was abused like that then NS were right to remove the posts. More examples of internet bullying which I agree show the supporters in a very bad light and actually do their cause no favours.

It appears that I may have waded in without knowing the all facts which make me feel a little hypocritical.

I still stand by my oppinion that some people use these forums purely to abuse and hurt though and expect I will be repeating myself in the future.

HoHoHo - Yes - it appears we do have a different definition of scum. I think it is banded about to often now tbh. Child killers, rapists, cold blooded murderers - scum. The family of a criminal not necessarily. Semantics I guess.

daniel and daryl are very loving and frienly young lads. i know them both my self and they would not just start on no one for no reason. i dont know what people r telling use but lee chritsopher went for daniel first the two guys was arguing on the train and the drunken. guy puched daniel off the train. and both males fell to the floor thats when daniel protected his self and faught back so i have no symphathy for lee he should never had pushed daniel then none of this would have happened. and to all u people that want to call daniel and daryl skum bags or animals use are just racist skum bags the whole lot of use. respect to u mans for self deffence the sentence they gave use is wrong. and there is na need for u both to carry out a sentence this long after a guy got 5 years for man slaughter talk about racist or wat. feel for u mans so much i will always be thinking of you both n ull always be in my preyers god is with use keep your head up boys n fight for wat u believe in dont care what other people think or say respect to my 2 brudders X.DANIEL N DARYL TRAILLE.X