ORPINGTON: College pupils clash with cops in high street (From News Shopper)

Why are we subject to all the scum from Lewisham? Go to Lewisham college your all a pain in the arse!!!

This is truly amazing! If the story hasn't been sensualised, and if indeed there were running battles in the High Street, then Orpington College really has gone down hill since I was there (a long time ago!). The College need to be very firm and kick these so called students out. Afterall, they're meant to be the people who are to go on to be industrial, commercial and educational leaders

all just scum lock em all up

Well, no surprise there then. Orpington College is a well known scum-magnet. They cast their net far and wide into nastier areas of the South-East, attract violent and aggressive lower social order types and then take absolutely no responsibility for them outside of the college. The Bromley Council Tax payer ends up footing the bill.

Would someone from Bromley Council please take some action regarding this college. It's a well-known trouble spot and what action has been taken to tackle the problem so far? To expand it into a bigger college!!! Well that'll work!!!

Please, Bromley Council, take a close look at this establishment and if the current ineffective leadership at the college needs replacing then please do it before someone ends up being killed. It nearly happened last year with the stabbing outside the college and things are getting worse.

Public order before profit, please.

This proves that PCSO's are a joke. No one takes them seriously, including the kids. Get proper police back on the beat and send the pretend coppers back to the Job Centre.

We were there yesterday and saw some of what went on - these reports are not sensationalised! Orpington college is an utter disgrace to the local community and it's about time action was taken against that proportion of it's students who routinely behave like animals on their way to/from it. They have nothing to offer the college or society so why aren't they just excuded so that those students who really want to be there and are trying to better themselves can get on with their work. Orpington would be a far nicer place without this scum!

I live on the high street and 23 police vehicles went past my place in a matter of about 10mins at about 10 to 6. I have been told that a special police officer was stabbed inthe eye. This high street has got worse over the pass few years. Yes it is the college students,but not the local ones,always the students who travel into orpington to go to the college. But what can you do,stop all students coming into orpington. Also the psco`s or pcso`s,whatever their called,they make no difference at all,they have no police power over the public,everyone just laughs at them. 5 days ago there was a serious fight in the priory tavern which led to another stabbing of which the person died.

Gooner1976 wrote:
Why are we subject to all the scum from Lewisham? Go to Lewisham college your all a pain in the arse!!!

Orpington has always been a hole. No better or worse than Lewisham!

Are these students paid £30 to attend, I wonder?
When this country was still sane, only the clever kids stayed on at school and went to college. Now, because the government wants to fiddle the unemployment figures, all the riff-raff are staying on and spoiling it for the students who actually want to learn.
We have thickos and morons pretending to be students in our schools and plastic, would-be police officers trying to control them when they hit the streets.
What a state this country is in.

I dont think its the time to attack PCSOs. When there are only 2 of them taking on 40 raging youths they cannot win on their own. Could you? So it is not a case about what powers they have and the fact they dont do anything. They did the one and only thing that was possible and exactly the same thing that any police officer would do. CALL FOR BACK UP! These youths are scum, they dont just laugh at pcsos, they laugh at police officers, they laugh at members of the public, they laugh at everyone, they think to they run the show and its not the time to be slating the police but rather backing them all!!!!!!!!!!!!

elcapitan wrote:
I dont think its the time to attack PCSOs. When there are only 2 of them taking on 40 raging youths they cannot win on their own. Could you? So it is not a case about what powers they have and the fact they dont do anything. They did the one and only thing that was possible and exactly the same thing that any police officer would do. CALL FOR BACK UP! These youths are scum, they dont just laugh at pcsos, they laugh at police officers, they laugh at members of the public, they laugh at everyone, they think to they run the show and its not the time to be slating the police but rather backing them all!!!!!!!!!!!!

I AM backing the police by asking for more of them to be recruited instead of PCSOs which no one takes seriously. We need more properly trained police on our streets, not kids playing 'The Bill'.
Now do you understand, or are you a plastic police officer?

As a paper informing the public, you need to get your facts straight!! I was on that bus! there wernt 40 pupils at the bus stop, more like 100, and about 60 police officers behaving like animals because they have to wait to get on. The police officer didnt get a slash to the face, he got stabbed. Every monday and tuesday this stupid behaviour happens usually resulting in the bus driver turning off the engine. the school kids in the morning have their own bus, 1 needs to be provided at 5PM for the college lot then they can do what they want to each other( which is usually fighting upstairs!) instead of making the public who actually want to get home from work wait 2 hours!!!!!! When the kids who were upstairs causing trouble had to wait to be searched as they got off the bus, the police officers were saying sorry for the inconvinience to THEM!! what about the passengers that had to wait????? Passengers who used their last money on their oyster cards had no other way of getting home, and the police wernt bothered! squaring up to police officers and swinging punches dont make you a hard, your just pathetic little boys and girls showing off your physical and vocal skills!! Same time next week?? just make sure you actually put the police ON the bus, not just waiting outside!!! They should all be expelled and let the students that actually want to learn and behave in a human matter attend!!

Erastus wrote:
This proves that PCSO's are a joke. No one takes them seriously, including the kids. Get proper police back on the beat and send the pretend coppers back to the Job Centre.

Or better yet fast track these brave young men and women into PC training, seeing as that's why a good 80% or so become PCSOs in the first place. It's not their fault their hands are tied by silly laws and red tape. Rather they'd be working as a plastic policeman instead of claiming benefits Erastus.

ModernToss, I'm not saying it is their fault OR the fault of the real police.
I have seen PCSOs that are too fat, thin and short ever to become real officers. What do you have to say about these characters? The kids know who they can bully just by looking at them.

Totally agree Fashionista I used to have to get the bus home at this time when I worked in Orpington. Its been like this for years.

Some PCSO's are serious about their jobs and do it as a way of being fast tracked in to PC training but there are the ones that do it for the high wages and the uniform. Which is sad for the ones that are serious about it.

I don't think there's a set size and look to become a PC lol, but they are doing all they can, they are usually PCSO's because that is the easiest way to become a PC.

Students my ar se, we all know what and who the problem is.
These people only understand one thing. Its well past time for fully armed police. Shoot a few, watch them respect a copper then.

Erastus wrote:
ModernToss, I'm not saying it is their fault OR the fault of the real police.
I have seen PCSOs that are too fat, thin and short ever to become real officers. What do you have to say about these characters? The kids know who they can bully just by looking at them.

Unfortunately Erastus the fitness exam for the police is a walk in the park, but it is the same for PCSOs and PCs. I've seen obese and tiny constables too, the only difference being they have some powers to support them.
I'm not a fan of the PCSO role in itself but they do a lot of good work for their communities, and perhaps, more importantly, do all the menial jobs so PCs don't have to.

Locked, I agree with you completely. At least they could start with rubber bullets first, then move onto the real thing if necessary. Water cannon is another tried and trusted option, as are stun guns.

I so agree with you too Locked, I wouldn't argue with a copper with a gun, not only that they do this job that is protecting the public but can hardly protect themselves because of the laws and regulations preventing them from doing so. xx

Why when stuff like this happens, is it the fault of the pcso's. I work on the trains and these kids are a nightmare. Sooner or later someone will be killed by these youths, but the college won't do anything as it gets funding of over a million pound to take these kids. The college is becoming bigger so the situation is only going to get worse, I've seen the youths spit and punch real police.
What needs doing is to continually report any incidents, crimes and get the culprits arrested and expelled from college. The vast majority are good kids but the 150+ bad eggs are ruining the town centre my wife and son were there yesterday and my little lad was petrified. Sort it out Metropolitan police.

I'm not surprised with the trouble if you have people coming from Lewisham, Greenwich and Erith. Those areas say it all about the type of people you get at the college, no respect at all! Ban them from Orpington

Thats the thing Wobbo you can't say everyone from these areas are trouble makers, what about the students from these areas that actually want to learn etc plus pushing to get on buses etc is something that seen right across the board outside every school at 3:30. There has to be another solution to what that is I have no idea but you can't tranish everyone with the same reputation of a few.

Erastus wrote:
Locked, I agree with you completely. At least they could start with rubber bullets first, then move onto the real thing if necessary. Water cannon is another tried and trusted option, as are stun guns.

Instead of big mouthing it on the internet and blaming everyone else for feral youths heading back to the mean streets of lewisham from leafy orpington ~ and then offering rubber bullets, water cannons and stun guns to deal with the problem ~ why don't YOU offer to meet with these youngsters and offer some of your wise words and advice instead of just attacking them from the safety of your computer eh ????

I dunno.... you all voted for a soft on crime government, You all Voted for a Council who wanted to turn Orpington into another Croydon,
You all wanted to watch Booze britain, street crime uk, skins and Eastenders. (tv chav lessons)
None of you want id cards or cctv.
You DO want your taxes spent on dole scroungers and immigrants, not wasted on evil policemen.
And you all moan when the obvious result occurs.
Talk about Naive!

sorry about the sarcasm.

Looks like the P.C. brigade are winning. Anarchy here we come.....

Burlington Bertie wrote:

Erastus wrote: Locked, I agree with you completely. At least they could start with rubber bullets first, then move onto the real thing if necessary. Water cannon is another tried and trusted option, as are stun guns.

Instead of big mouthing it on the internet and blaming everyone else for feral youths heading back to the mean streets of lewisham from leafy orpington ~ and then offering rubber bullets, water cannons and stun guns to deal with the problem ~ why don't YOU offer to meet with these youngsters and offer some of your wise words and advice instead of just attacking them from the safety of your computer eh ????

The BNP are back, I see. All the way from Oxon, this time.

26 years I have lived in Orpington, went to the college. The kids, and i call them kids because they have no clue to act like an adult, have no respect for people of any sought. They are a thugs ruling the street, the stabbing last year etc - no respect at all. They think its fun, respect from other people its not - you would not like it done to your family so why would you do it to others? How can something like 'just going home' or 'walking along a street' turn into a dice with death. Because the younger generation feels it ok to stab hit or torture another human being because he looked at you funny, was in the worng place and the wrong time or in just some cases jest because they dont like you! POLICE!!! yes you lot what you doing? Hiding in cars, behind desk get real police out there and teach these kids what their parents arent - RESPECT for one another!

Why should the Police endanger their lifes to teach other people's kids what they are not teaching them? Police are there to protect the whole community not waste time teaching hooligans the difference between wrong and right. This is something I was taught at a young age by my parents!!

Erastus wrote:

Burlington Bertie wrote:

Erastus wrote: Locked, I agree with you completely. At least they could start with rubber bullets first, then move onto the real thing if necessary. Water cannon is another tried and trusted option, as are stun guns.

Instead of big mouthing it on the internet and blaming everyone else for feral youths heading back to the mean streets of lewisham from leafy orpington ~ and then offering rubber bullets, water cannons and stun guns to deal with the problem ~ why don't YOU offer to meet with these youngsters and offer some of your wise words and advice instead of just attacking them from the safety of your computer eh ????

The BNP are back, I see. All the way from Oxon, this time.

Burlington,

Offer to meet up with these twerps? like they would even turn up and even if they did they wouldnt listen. They would only turn up if there was something in it for them. They dont want to learn, its an easy option to go to college and just sit there and then this way it looks like they are doing something possitive.

Erastus,

Thats a bit uncalled for :)

Plus you wouldn't want to do that without a stab vest!!!

oh dear!

Susie:o) wrote:
Plus you wouldn't want to do that without a stab vest!!!

bullet proff body suit more like!!! :)

There has been trouble (often serious) involving these students many times, as mentioned the stabbing outside Smiths, and not just in Orpington High Street. Twice there has been a near riot at St Mary Cray station, a local shop has regular thefts. When I asked why they travel on a bus to St Mary Cray rather than use Orpington I was told it is because there are no ticket barriers so they can get the train without paying!

I have seen them screaming abuse at elderly people, barging bystanders out of their way. If you dare speak to them you run the risk of serious assault.

With the college being rebuilt so it can accomodate more students things will get worse.

And I'm sure the comment from the college will be the same as usual "it didn't happen on college premesis so it's nothing to do with us"!

The only solution would be for them to be escorted to the bus stop, and a police officer to be on each bus (what will that cost us?)

I am a student at Orpington college, and i think that everyone is taking to side of the police, when they do not know exactly what has happened.
The police make assumptions and attacked certain individuals yet every one is oblivious to this fact..
It is so unfair that this has happened something very small was blown way out of proportion.

Some people within the community shouted what would be seem as racist comments, yet no one is saying about that. This is why i believe that this whole incident is highly biased and totally unfair. I am highly concerned about what parties people within the community support (BNP)

Erastus wrote:

Burlington Bertie wrote:

Erastus wrote: Locked, I agree with you completely. At least they could start with rubber bullets first, then move onto the real thing if necessary. Water cannon is another tried and trusted option, as are stun guns.

Instead of big mouthing it on the internet and blaming everyone else for feral youths heading back to the mean streets of lewisham from leafy orpington ~ and then offering rubber bullets, water cannons and stun guns to deal with the problem ~ why don't YOU offer to meet with these youngsters and offer some of your wise words and advice instead of just attacking them from the safety of your computer eh ????

The BNP are back, I see. All the way from Oxon, this time.

Proposing using stun guns, rubber bullets etc against teenagers from predominantly ethnic minority areas (lewisham) because they are troublesome in white leafy orpington blows away your so called pro support for multicultralism on other threads of the N/S you are a moronic hypocrite ! lol

I am a regular driver of route 51, it does not surprise me at all what happened in Orpington High St. on Tuesday. We are subjected to a barrage of verbal abuse from the time we start until we finish and we would get physically assaulted if we were not protected by an assault screen. This abuse is usually because of fare disputes, but often it is because the bus is full and we can't let any more people on. As a bus driver we are legally responsible for the safety of the bus and if it were involved in an accident and found to be overloaded we would definitely be sacked, could lose our PCV licence and could be fined or even jailed.
Arguments also occur frequently about baby buggies, we can only carry 2 unfolded in the disabled bay and 1 folded in the luggage rack, why don't young mums ever walk anywhere with their babies any more? They are amongst the most foul mouthed when we refuse them entry!
We get sworn at on a daily basis because we refuse people entry who are carrying pots of paint and inflammible liquids and people seem to think we are exempt from traffic jams and swear at us for being late, usually implying that we have been sitting in the canteen.
When the buses are turned because of late running despite the blinds clearly stating the destination and the in bus information announcing the destination, we are again verbally abused.
The 51 is actually no worse than any other route in London as I sometimes drive other routes. Fortunately I don't have many years to go before I can retire and get away from what is now a stressful and un-satisfying job.

perhaps dedicated buses should ferry them direct from the college and save the town their 'antics' - the students should pay for this privilege / and the police can adopt random patrols to help maintain a reasonable standard of behaviour.

orpington_2 wrote:
I am a student at Orpington college, and i think that everyone is taking to side of the police, when they do not know exactly what has happened. The police make assumptions and attacked certain individuals yet every one is oblivious to this fact.. It is so unfair that this has happened something very small was blown way out of proportion. Some people within the community shouted what would be seem as racist comments, yet no one is saying about that. This is why i believe that this whole incident is highly biased and totally unfair. I am highly concerned about what parties people within the community support (BNP)

I do not consider a near riot, with a police officer getting attacked "something very small". Nor, as last year, someone getting stabbed in the street.

It might be unfair to you, but perhaps as a student you could help to stop it - I'm sure you know which students were involved, so let the police know and they can be dealt with (perhaps if you also let the college know they can be excluded)

Im with Marty1979

as for "orpington_2" sounds like you have all the morals of a tadpole, and probably think lifes so unfair etc grow up if you break the law you are in the wrong. I was in the highstreet i did not see any police officers kicking busses or shouting treats and vulgarities.

just trying to stop the idiots that were and protect the inocent members of our LOCAL community.

driver49 wrote:
I am a regular driver of route 51, it does not surprise me at all what happened in Orpington High St. on Tuesday. We are subjected to a barrage of verbal abuse from the time we start until we finish and we would get physically assaulted if we were not protected by an assault screen. This abuse is usually because of fare disputes, but often it is because the bus is full and we can't let any more people on. As a bus driver we are legally responsible for the safety of the bus and if it were involved in an accident and found to be overloaded we would definitely be sacked, could lose our PCV licence and could be fined or even jailed. Arguments also occur frequently about baby buggies, we can only carry 2 unfolded in the disabled bay and 1 folded in the luggage rack, why don't young mums ever walk anywhere with their babies any more? They are amongst the most foul mouthed when we refuse them entry! We get sworn at on a daily basis because we refuse people entry who are carrying pots of paint and inflammible liquids and people seem to think we are exempt from traffic jams and swear at us for being late, usually implying that we have been sitting in the canteen. When the buses are turned because of late running despite the blinds clearly stating the destination and the in bus information announcing the destination, we are again verbally abused. The 51 is actually no worse than any other route in London as I sometimes drive other routes. Fortunately I don't have many years to go before I can retire and get away from what is now a stressful and un-satisfying job.

That sounds awful, no I know why I get surprised looks from bus drivers for saying please and thank you.

Driver49, I don't know how you do it, I seriously don't. I used to live in Bexleyheath and was staggered that a regular police presence was needed in the Broadway simply to oversee schoolchildren getting on a bus! I'd love to know how many other countries need to deploy their police force to ensure children board a bus without stabbing each other to death. There's been some seriously depressing headlines in the Newsshopper this week - can we go back to people BBQ'ing in their back garden all winter?!?!

It is not yet clear to me as to why the comments above are such a disgrace. You in my eyes are sincerely acting like immature adults, i feel as though you are labelling our community at college. You are discriminating against us all as a whole instead of accepting that initially not every student is the same. There is a small minority of people that are not interested in learning but i can assure you that there are many good students that attend my college and are keen to continue their studying to further their careers to create a suitable future to support themselves and their families in which they may plan to have when they are older. I would be exceptionally greatful if you could take into consideration the feelings of the students that were not involved in yesterdays incident as they are not part of this. However i do appreciate your concerns over your community.

TfL, Boris Johnson and the Transport Police should withdraw free travel on buses for kids immediately and channel that money into providing 'yellow American-type school buses' purely dedicated to school and college travel. Then the drivers of those 'school buses' should be charperoned by a few rota'd-on School/College staff or alternatively parents/social worker/human rights activist or similar.

Money is surely available if they are funding PCSOs to stand at bus-stops at school times (like they do currently at Kelsey Park.

Apart from that, PLEASE can everybody tkae the stand to NEVER vote Labour ever again, lets learn a lesson here. This country is S***E!

this is taken completely out of context and you cant blame the whole of the college for the actions and behaviour of a few individuals! most of us are hard working and actually come to college to learn...
if u ask me ur a bunch of losers that either need to get a job or go to college ur self! get a life and get out of ours!

As a student from Orpington College i feel that we're being judge too harshly... Whats being said is from the polices point of view, nobody botherd to ask us how we feel about the whole situation i feel the police esculated the situation which made it become a RIOT not the students i repeat THE POLICE/ COMMUNITY OFFICERS.
we are being discriminated over our colour and age because the majority of us were BLACK student.
Because one white student cried the police let them go but with the black student they added extra force which was not needed.... Another thing i feel the police was too aggresive they should have asked nicely espically considering the fact that they promote talking not voilence tthey baiscally contradicted themselves which isnt very smart is it!!!!

Thank you x

Orpingtoncollegestud
ents123 and GoOrpington if you read all comments you will notice that most are not blaming the whole college and realise that most comments mention the fact that the fact that the college is rather large that it dont help in such a small town. So before you get on your high horse and insult us why don't you read what has been written instead of making yourself out to be what you claim you are not!!

Kalisha C. wrote:
As a student from Orpington College i feel that we're being judge too harshly... Whats being said is from the polices point of view, nobody botherd to ask us how we feel about the whole situation i feel the police esculated the situation which made it become a RIOT not the students i repeat THE POLICE/ COMMUNITY OFFICERS. we are being discriminated over our colour and age because the majority of us were BLACK student. Because one white student cried the police let them go but with the black student they added extra force which was not needed.... Another thing i feel the police was too aggresive they should have asked nicely espically considering the fact that they promote talking not voilence tthey baiscally contradicted themselves which isnt very smart is it!!!! Thank you x

Here we go again !

Somebody else blaming the police for their own bad behaviour !

its laughable

Susie:o), Bexley/Sidcup dont you have nothing better to do?
seriously get a life because i read them all and you no nufin... get a job n if ur at work du ur work!!

You was not there so you have NO INPUT
Thank you =]

Kalisha C. wrote:
As a student from Orpington College i feel that we're being judge too harshly... Whats being said is from the polices point of view, nobody botherd to ask us how we feel about the whole situation i feel the police esculated the situation which made it become a RIOT not the students i repeat THE POLICE/ COMMUNITY OFFICERS. we are being discriminated over our colour and age because the majority of us were BLACK student. Because one white student cried the police let them go but with the black student they added extra force which was not needed.... Another thing i feel the police was too aggresive they should have asked nicely espically considering the fact that they promote talking not voilence tthey baiscally contradicted themselves which isnt very smart is it!!!! Thank you x

Just so you know no where in this article or the comments left does anyone mention anything to do with people "being discriminated over our colour and age because the majority of us were BLACK students" as you say, so don't know where you got that from

Kalisha C. wrote:
As a student from Orpington College i feel that we're being judge too harshly... Whats being said is from the polices point of view, nobody botherd to ask us how we feel about the whole situation i feel the police esculated the situation which made it become a RIOT not the students i repeat THE POLICE/ COMMUNITY OFFICERS. we are being discriminated over our colour and age because the majority of us were BLACK student. Because one white student cried the police let them go but with the black student they added extra force which was not needed.... Another thing i feel the police was too aggresive they should have asked nicely espically considering the fact that they promote talking not voilence tthey baiscally contradicted themselves which isnt very smart is it!!!! Thank you x

So you're admitting it was a riot, at least that's a start.

Fact - the bus was full, so no more could get on.
Fact - students started kicking the doors
Fact - a PCSO was assaulted

What were the police supposed to do, let YOU wreck the bus?

No, it's the usual attitude "I'm not to blame, it was the police"

Try growing up for a change

I am an eyewitness

Thank you =]

ha your just proving a point, you are as bad as the so called hoolgians that caused this "RIOT" so maybe you should be looking at yourself to get a life!!!

well susie i think u need to go back to college, with all those hoolgians...

Actually the bus was not full so how do you feel?

No one was pushing on the bus nobody kicked the bus
so stop taking us for little kids about grow up?
May i ask was you there ?

Thank you x

so u admitt it... u dont have a job... wer d future so wen ur old well b der...

Your all so mature that you couldn't even answer what I said maturally without insult. Proves your age and proves and backs up most the comments left.

Susie:o) wrote:
ha your just proving a point, you are as bad as the so called hoolgians that caused this "RIOT" so maybe you should be looking at yourself to get a life!!!

go girl you tell them

so you dont have a job?....
yh lifes getin bad now with all the yobs and im not sayin its not but we are not all the same...
stick that in ur pipe and smoke it!

Not that it is any of your business I do have a job as well as most the people on here!!

go du it then!

what that im at college and bored?
i dont actually care about all this, part from the fact that the article is a little over dramatic, it makes it sound like a "hot fuzz" situation. When in truth some of the college memebers got a lil rowdy. its a small minority, most of us are here to learn..

Why are you arguing with me then and insulting me if in fact you read all of the comments I have left before then you will see my opinion was the same as yours!!

you all say we are laughable but really you are the ones with nothing better to do i feel sorry for YOU

sorry for insulting you, wasnt meant as malcious. sorry for the spelling aswell.

Kalisha C. wrote:
As a student from Orpington College i feel that we're being judge too harshly... Whats being said is from the polices point of view, nobody botherd to ask us how we feel about the whole situation i feel the police esculated the situation which made it become a RIOT not the students i repeat THE POLICE/ COMMUNITY OFFICERS. we are being discriminated over our colour and age because the majority of us were BLACK student. Because one white student cried the police let them go but with the black student they added extra force which was not needed.... Another thing i feel the police was too aggresive they should have asked nicely espically considering the fact that they promote talking not voilence tthey baiscally contradicted themselves which isnt very smart is it!!!! Thank you x

Oh no not the old favorite - the race card. no excuse for bad behavior whatever your colour. My son attents a college in Sussex where most of the students are only there for the allowance (as Erastus mentioned earlier) those that want to learn find it almost impossible. I even purchased a mobile phone blocker for him (illegal I know but at least it stops the lessons from being disrupted) because the students think its fine to be on the phone during lessons, and the tutors are powerless in this day and age. Bring back the cane.

Orpingtoncollegestud
ent123 wrote:
so u admitt it... u dont have a job... wer d future so wen ur old well b der...

You, of course, will no doubt be getting a fantastic job with a brilliant company after college what with your excellent spelling and grammar and all (a true advocate in itself for the standard of education that Orpington College has to offer!).

As for you being 'd' future and being 'der' when we are old - Sainsbury's have self-service now so there will be no need for me to queue at your till when the situation arises, thank you all the same.

Kalisha C. wrote:
As a student from Orpington College i feel that we're being judge too harshly... Whats being said is from the polices point of view, nobody botherd to ask us how we feel about the whole situation i feel the police esculated the situation which made it become a RIOT not the students i repeat THE POLICE/ COMMUNITY OFFICERS.
we are being discriminated over our colour and age because the majority of us were BLACK student.
Because one white student cried the police let them go but with the black student they added extra force which was not needed.... Another thing i feel the police was too aggresive they should have asked nicely espically considering the fact that they promote talking not voilence tthey baiscally contradicted themselves which isnt very smart is it!!!!

Thank you x

So, what do they teach at this so-called 'college'? Because it clearly isn't English.

In fact, I think this young 'lady' is majoring in 'Excessive Self Esteem'...

Orpingtoncollegestud
ent123 wrote:
you all say we are laughable but really you are the ones with nothing better to do i feel sorry for YOU

*I* work up orpington, *I* had to endure watching you children acting like animals, *I* was scared for my safety because your ego's got out of control as usual! by saying that people should get a job, 90% commenting on this probably do work! what pathetic contribution do you give??? NOTHING!!

excuse me??????? ask nicely??? i heard every single word and it was all abuse|!!!!! it has nothing to do with race! i work with a white man who tried to get off the bus, he had to wait to be searched like everyone else!!

Not one of the students posting on this story has the faintest idea how to spell or compose a coherent sentence. Given the fact that you're trying to defend your college, it's hardly the greatest advert for educational robustness at Orpington College. It's a wonder half of you can actually read the No. 51 timetable (before being refused entry to the bus)

Dartbored wrote:
Not one of the students posting on this story has the faintest idea how to spell or compose a coherent sentence. Given the fact that you're trying to defend your college, it's hardly the greatest advert for educational robustness at Orpington College. It's a wonder half of you can actually read the No. 51 timetable (before being refused entry to the bus)

HAHAHA that is so true! so obviously not english that they teach!

why is it that any time something happens and people quote that 'Black' people were involved it is classed as being racist and there is a huge row about the police racially discriminating people. Yet when white people are involved they can never call it being racially discriminated. I think the government has let so many people get away with things these days. People need to get over the fact knowmatter what race u are or what the color of your skin is if you do something wrong expect to get punished for it. Police and PCSO's alike should get respect however the government have messed this up. When PCSO's where introduced we as a country were told they can only hold u until the real police arrive. I am 21 and would never dream of abusing the police like most youngsters do. Bus drivers dont deserve it either, they do us a favour if they didnt drive the bus we would have to walk everywhere. people need to grow up and enter the real world!!! hopefully sooner rather than later!

Noone has mentioned race on this comment board once until the student from Orpington college said it, this was one thing that never even come in to a single person thought, at least if it was, an opinion about it was never voiced!!

i made my comment regarding the student of orpington colleges remarks on the situation. my point is that people these days will say things like that especially the young people involved.

Orpingtoncollegestud
ent123 wrote:
Susie:o), Bexley/Sidcup dont you have nothing better to do? seriously get a life because i read them all and you no nufin... get a job n if ur at work du ur work!!

With spelling like that you will have trouble getting / holding down a job.

I got some some fish and newspaper to go with that chip you students are walking around with.
Playing the race card all the time de-vales it and there will be a time when it will be needed.

Clearly Orpington College doesn't teach you clowns any grammar, your use of language is actually quite appalling. How can you possibly aspire to do a job that doesn’t involve frying burgers if you can't grasp English correctly?

Interesting that you now play the racism card. What has the colour of your skin got to do with basic manners and common decency? Answer-nothing.

Exclude the lot of them I say. Perhaps the college should think about having a 7-year olds grammar test as part of the entrance exam, think that might at least reduce the number of oiks tarnishing the name of this college.

Don't blame the college the staff work extremley hard and are only human. Your talking about students from areas such as Lewisham, Catford etc. I grew up near such areas and actually have recieved more abuse and violence from young people from around Cray who don't even seem to want to further their education at all! It's purely down to the youths upbringing and the discipline they have recieved from parents. Also violence to tackle violence seems slightly hypocritical don't you think?

GGG wrote:
Clearly Orpington College doesn't teach you clowns any grammar, your use of language is actually quite appalling. How can you possibly aspire to do a job that doesn’t involve frying burgers if you can't grasp English correctly?

Interesting that you now play the racism card. What has the colour of your skin got to do with basic manners and common decency? Answer-nothing.

Exclude the lot of them I say. Perhaps the college should think about having a 7-year olds grammar test as part of the entrance exam, think that might at least reduce the number of oiks tarnishing the name of this college.

Well aren't you tarnishing the college and all of the students with the same brush? Orpington college have grammar exams in place when you first apply and actually go out of their way to make sure that students who have problems with their English and grammar recieve special help. Whether or not they accept this help is another story. Students involved have been excluded.

reading most of these comments it sounds like a lot of the newsshopper regular comment folk need to go back to college they're so out of touch with reality! Great solutions with all the rubber bullets and police state style control; I'm sure you'd be the first on your keyboards here if coppers had to bring out a water cannon against a load of kids (ever imagine if one caught up was yours?). Ever think some of parents from the culprits could take some of the responsibility for once???? Quit jumping to solutions like eureka you've solved the problem from mindlessly hitting a few computer keys alone at your screens!

Lotta wrote:

Orpingtoncollegestud

ent123 wrote:
so u admitt it... u dont have a job... wer d future so wen ur old well b der...

You, of course, will no doubt be getting a fantastic job with a brilliant company after college what with your excellent spelling and grammar and all (a true advocate in itself for the standard of education that Orpington College has to offer!).

As for you being 'd' future and being 'der' when we are old - Sainsbury's have self-service now so there will be no need for me to queue at your till when the situation arises, thank you all the same.

Lotta,
Thank you for translating that for me. I had spent far too long reading the diatribe over and over and still could not fathom the strange code. I now realsie it was supposed to be some kind of insult.....or perhaps a threat.
C'mon kiddies, isn't it past your bedtime?
Not as eloquent a rebuff you'll agree, but suitable under the circumstances, I feel.

Lotta wrote:

Orpingtoncollegestud

ent123 wrote:
so u admitt it... u dont have a job... wer d future so wen ur old well b der...

You, of course, will no doubt be getting a fantastic job with a brilliant company after college what with your excellent spelling and grammar and all (a true advocate in itself for the standard of education that Orpington College has to offer!).

As for you being 'd' future and being 'der' when we are old - Sainsbury's have self-service now so there will be no need for me to queue at your till when the situation arises, thank you all the same.

Lotta,
Thank you for translating that for me. I had spent far too long reading the diatribe over and over and still could not fathom the strange code. I now realsie it was supposed to be some kind of insult.....or perhaps a threat.
C'mon kiddies, isn't it past your bedtime?
Not as eloquent a rebuff you'll agree, but suitable under the circumstances, I feel.

I think it is disgusting what happened yesterday , and the way SOME not all of the students at college come out is disgusting aswell and to many people intimidating , especially they way the crowds stand outside boots , you can hardly walk past. It was no suprise that there was trouble there yesterday it was only a matter of time and now its only a matter of time before something more serious happens. It is not because they are black like someone above said , people always try and use the colour card , but to be honest if you was white , yellow or green , the same comments would still apply.

Its such a shame because there are so many charming, bright, well mannered children who attend this college and also are able to read and write proper english.

Orpingtoncollegestud
ent123 wrote:
so u admitt it... u dont have a job... wer d future so wen ur old well b der...

Can someone translate this ?

123Anonymous wrote:

GGG wrote: Clearly Orpington College doesn't teach you clowns any grammar, your use of language is actually quite appalling. How can you possibly aspire to do a job that doesn’t involve frying burgers if you can't grasp English correctly? Interesting that you now play the racism card. What has the colour of your skin got to do with basic manners and common decency? Answer-nothing. Exclude the lot of them I say. Perhaps the college should think about having a 7-year olds grammar test as part of the entrance exam, think that might at least reduce the number of oiks tarnishing the name of this college.

Well aren't you tarnishing the college and all of the students with the same brush? Orpington college have grammar exams in place when you first apply and actually go out of their way to make sure that students who have problems with their English and grammar recieve special help. Whether or not they accept this help is another story. Students involved have been excluded.

"have grammar exams in place when you first apply". Obviously not worth bothering with

"students who have problems with their English and grammar recieve special help." and simply not working !

Some of the students behaviour is disgusting, they have no respect for anyone and couldn't give a monkeys whose is around. I have seen PCSO's and coppers outside Boots and Halifax but this has made no difference to the way they act. I have watched old ladies too scared to walk past them or through them because all the students do is shout over them to their friends. Something needs to be done to take control of the high street again, what is it going to take, someone to be killed?

Marty1979, Orpington says...
6:26pm today Wed 4 Nov 09

Orpingtoncollegestud

ent123 wrote:
so u admitt it... u dont have a job... wer d future so wen ur old well b der...
Can someone translate this ?


he/she is trying to say>>>>
So you admit it? you don't have a job. he/she is saying that they are the future so that when we are all old and gone they will be the future!

Have heard from a "reliable source" that, despite what has been said, a number of weapons (knives) were recovered. Apparantly this has been supressed to avoid inflaming the situation!

We know knives are carried (the stabbing last year), perhaps the college should have metal detectors, but presumable that would violate the little darlings human rights.

I have recently moved to the local area having previously lived in Devon and Norfolk. I have always relied on public transport (having never owned a car) and have to say it was a real shock moving here! I would like to inform people that the kind of behaviour displayed by youths (and others) on public transport around these parts is not typical of that in the UK as a whole! Before moving here, I had never seen anyone so much as scratch a bus window, let alone kick a bus, swear at a driver, or get onto a bus without paying. The behaviour in around here is atrocious! All the London bus drivers deserve medals!

i was a student at orpington college but resently got kicked out

but i am not likeing the sterotypes in these comments just cus im from a certain place dont mean i shouldnt off been allowed in the college. i had good reason to further my edercation at orpington: free gym, ema, socialising and to learn..

also the news article is very biased cus i been told what really happened and from what i heared was that the police started the riot and not the students

that is all. pease out.

I'm sure the majority of students are at the college to educate them selves further. The others and we all know 'the type' only need to be taught " do yas wanna super size that order of frys ".
Who lets these morons into further education. There was a time when you needed more than a basic education to get into a college. Judging by some of the comments from so called 'students' they haven't even got a very basic grasp of English.

All said and done,what about the pcso??? He or she got stabbed. Did they ask for it? All they did was try to help others. The pcso`s are not real police,but atleast they try. Well done to that pcso,I hold my hand up to you,shame the `students` didnt think about that before they caused a `riot`. But all kids only think about them selves. `Got to get the bus,sod all the others....`Wonder what the future of this country will be like in 10 years time with `adults` like them init....

also why r ppl bringin up the stabbing tht happen last year? the ppl who done the stab were not from orpington college the victim was

gangsterboi2k9 wrote:
i was a student at orpington college but resently got kicked out but i am not likeing the sterotypes in these comments just cus im from a certain place dont mean i shouldnt off been allowed in the college. i had good reason to further my edercation at orpington: free gym, ema, socialising and to learn.. also the news article is very biased cus i been told what really happened and from what i heared was that the police started the riot and not the students that is all. pease out.

Shame you got kicked out, maybe a few more years would have improved your spelling.

The Labour Government are to blame - they pay these ferral halfwit scum £30 a week to remain in 'education' and off the dole figures.

excusee mee i dnt kno where all dis story is coming from nd i dnt kno y ppl r over exagerrating nd gettin scared chattin rubbish about orpington college students. i am a student dere nd dats not even how it happened IT WAS THE POLICE CAUSING A SCENE. nd to dat fed dat got hurt good 4 him he deserved it. all u old ppl dat live in orpington y u gettin shook 4 did n e wun touch you? NO so shut up. any way freeeeeeee da ppl dat got knickd it was'nt ur fault dese feds r gettin xcited coz dere in uniform. nd ppl if ur scared STAY IN UR HOUSE. nd stop tellin stories like u woz dere frm beggining FOOLSS

I myself go to orpington college and i feel like i might be stabbed by these lewisham and catford lot they have no respect for staff or the public they are all **** all i want to do study but i cant do that knowing my life might be in danger

viickiie wrote:
excusee mee i dnt kno where all dis story is coming from nd i dnt kno y ppl r over exagerrating nd gettin scared chattin rubbish about orpington college students. i am a student dere nd dats not even how it happened IT WAS THE POLICE CAUSING A SCENE. nd to dat fed dat got hurt good 4 him he deserved it. all u old ppl dat live in orpington y u gettin shook 4 did n e wun touch you? NO so shut up. any way freeeeeeee da ppl dat got knickd it was'nt ur fault dese feds r gettin xcited coz dere in uniform. nd ppl if ur scared STAY IN UR HOUSE. nd stop tellin stories like u woz dere frm beggining FOOLSS

Can someone PLEASE translate this into reasonable English !

viickiie wrote:
excusee mee i dnt kno where all dis story is coming from nd i dnt kno y ppl r over exagerrating nd gettin scared chattin rubbish about orpington college students. i am a student dere nd dats not even how it happened IT WAS THE POLICE CAUSING A SCENE. nd to dat fed dat got hurt good 4 him he deserved it. all u old ppl dat live in orpington y u gettin shook 4 did n e wun touch you? NO so shut up. any way freeeeeeee da ppl dat got knickd it was'nt ur fault dese feds r gettin xcited coz dere in uniform. nd ppl if ur scared STAY IN UR HOUSE. nd stop tellin stories like u woz dere frm beggining FOOLSS

viickiie - that was priceless, one of the best parodies of the rude, naive and illiterate students that people are concerned about. great humour, the way you portrayed your 'character' in the guise of a Vikkie Pollard-esque student. nice one. thank goodness people are not really as stupid as your character

Viickiie repeat after me, " do ya wanna super size that order".

Keep practising you need to learn it for when you get your job in BK or McDs.

Back to primary school, thats where you belong. This time try to listen more. Idiot.

i am from Catford my self and ive looked at all diffrent collegs and Orpington was one the nicest and say what you want about it but the teachers are good and made me feel welcome it is only a FEW people who do this. so why take it out on people who go to learn? bromley college do loads things aka fireworks on buses btu do they get moaned about no. just because it says these people was from somewhere else you are moaning if it was people FROM Orpington you wouldnt be at all. stop mouthing of the college when you don't know much about it. the college has dealt with it so what is their to moan about.

I just cant wait till the police start using wepons might show these freaks who is in charge.
3 years i have been a student here and it is has become even more dangerous throughout the year i fear for myself and my brother i hate this what this country has become

I think alot of people on here are extremely judgemental think they know everything that goes on in that college. The majority of people on here are paronising and have this negative vibe to all orpington college students because of a few.

People talk about a community being as one yet all you can do is batter students and say negative comments, not one person has suiggested how this situation could be solved,and i can guarantee the public has sent hundreds of complaints.

I spoke with an officer tofay who stated that no police officer was stabb that he got caught up in the incident and that he scratched his eye 'no weapons' were found on ANY of the students..

another thing i would like to address is that one person said that officers should start shooting.. what good is that doing. Two wrongs do not make a right, you are not sorting out the problem you are making it escalate, you people complain about crime yet thats exactly what you are telling the police to do, or do they have the right to do so just because they are Police officers...

gangsterboi2k9 wrote:
i was a student at orpington college but resently got kicked out

but i am not likeing the sterotypes in these comments just cus im from a certain place dont mean i shouldnt off been allowed in the college. i had good reason to further my edercation at orpington: free gym, ema, socialising and to learn..

also the news article is very biased cus i been told what really happened and from what i heared was that the police started the riot and not the students

that is all. pease out.

it doesnt even matter if the students were from sidcup or welling! your humans not animals! also funny that learning was last on your list to go orpington college......

orpington_2 wrote:
I think alot of people on here are extremely judgemental think they know everything that goes on in that college. The majority of people on here are paronising and have this negative vibe to all orpington college students because of a few.

People talk about a community being as one yet all you can do is batter students and say negative comments, not one person has suiggested how this situation could be solved,and i can guarantee the public has sent hundreds of complaints.

I spoke with an officer tofay who stated that no police officer was stabb that he got caught up in the incident and that he scratched his eye 'no weapons' were found on ANY of the students..

another thing i would like to address is that one person said that officers should start shooting.. what good is that doing. Two wrongs do not make a right, you are not sorting out the problem you are making it escalate, you people complain about crime yet thats exactly what you are telling the police to do, or do they have the right to do so just because they are Police officers...

perfectly said

viickiie wrote:
excusee mee i dnt kno where all dis story is coming from nd i dnt kno y ppl r over exagerrating nd gettin scared chattin rubbish about orpington college students. i am a student dere nd dats not even how it happened IT WAS THE POLICE CAUSING A SCENE. nd to dat fed dat got hurt good 4 him he deserved it. all u old ppl dat live in orpington y u gettin shook 4 did n e wun touch you? NO so shut up. any way freeeeeeee da ppl dat got knickd it was'nt ur fault dese feds r gettin xcited coz dere in uniform. nd ppl if ur scared STAY IN UR HOUSE. nd stop tellin stories like u woz dere frm beggining FOOLSS

er excuse me love i was about 10ft away....the police were trying to keep you guys under control. also we are in the uk.... we dont call them feds... been watching too much tv darling!! also at 21 dont reallly classify myself as old, maybe i might be old to you cos your so immature.....

Well what a surprise it was the polices fault! The nasty white people of Orpington and society in General! Young ethnic minorities being persecuted for no reason!!!! Do you expect anyone with a mental age higher than 6 to buy that? The MAJORITY of students who travel in from outside areas behave like wild dogs and deserve to be treated as so! The unfortunate reality is the average white person from Orpington would end up in prison for behaving like the scum travelling in from Lewisham and alike. The police and courts need to get some backbone. The race card is always used, often by people who have never received any real racial abuse!

Out of curiosity what did you get "kicked out" for?

viickiie wrote:
excusee mee i dnt kno where all dis story is coming from nd i dnt kno y ppl r over exagerrating nd gettin scared chattin rubbish about orpington college students. i am a student dere nd dats not even how it happened IT WAS THE POLICE CAUSING A SCENE. nd to dat fed dat got hurt good 4 him he deserved it. all u old ppl dat live in orpington y u gettin shook 4 did n e wun touch you? NO so shut up. any way freeeeeeee da ppl dat got knickd it was'nt ur fault dese feds r gettin xcited coz dere in uniform. nd ppl if ur scared STAY IN UR HOUSE. nd stop tellin stories like u woz dere frm beggining FOOLSS

I don't know what is more shocking: the attitude or the pathetic language.

These thugs terrorize the High Street and people cross the road to avoid them. I am aware of at least one elderly local woman who on another occasion had her walking stick grabbed so that they could fight with it.

I hope the college kicks them out, and they lose their Oyster cards. They should go back to where they came from and find a primary school which is brave enough to teach them English. Civilized behaviour is too much to hope for.

unown10000 wrote:
I myself go to orpington college and i feel like i might be stabbed by these lewisham and catford lot they have no respect for staff or the public they are all **** all i want to do study but i cant do that knowing my life might be in danger

Well done, it's good to hear there are people out there trying to make a better life for their self. I went to Lewisham college years ago and because I'm white some of the so called black students thought I was a easy target. After flooring two of them, the rest backed off & within 6 months they had all droped out.
White, black, Lewisham or Catford this has nothing to do with it. Their up bring is what it's about.

Thom890 Lewisham, where I live the cops will ask you to do something maybe twice. Ignore them and they will unbutton their holster. Still ignore them and they will draw a loaded gun. Guess what, it gets peoples attention pretty quick.
Do we want that, probably not but unfortunately that's what its going to take to get the streets safe again for everone.

THE STREETS OF BRITIAN WILL NEVER BE SAFE AGAIN THIS IS THE END THESE YOUTHS WILL NOT LISTHEN TO ANYBODY IT WILL SOON COME TO DOWN TO THEM OR US

unown10000 wrote:
THE STREETS OF BRITIAN WILL NEVER BE SAFE AGAIN THIS IS THE END THESE YOUTHS WILL NOT LISTHEN TO ANYBODY IT WILL SOON COME TO DOWN TO THEM OR US

I not sure if you should keep taken the pills or give them up !!!!!!

lol went on little mental one there sorry people

Wot langwich are u rite-in in r u 1 ov them migrants that
can’t be bovvad too lern engerlish. shall i write in
mon o syll a bic tones
so dat u can undstand betta.
shall i not bovva wiv punchayshun (ooh long werd dun git scard).
shall i enter half sentences
on a new line theirs know reazon knot two. I Can Start Each Word Wiv A Capital Letter. Orrr i cannn tripleee theee lasttt leterrr of evry word coz i duz fink it duz look cool. cant b bovvad wiv sleplings or tiepoes eeva.
hope u made
as much sense of this
post as I maid of u’res is it!
Fank u all 4 da free edcashun i is gunna ern big dollas fa ma bros and stuff innit.

No 'Lets' any money you like they are 'indigenous British'. Well passport holders, if they could fill in the necessary forms.

you cant blame it all on one area though because some people are actually ok and alright its just silly immature people who arent and need to grow up BIG TIME

The goverment in this country need to grow some balls and take action against these thugs

This is unfair, you're saying all orpington college students are scum basically. Its a small minority of them that decide to do this. So i think its pretty unfair that you're discriminating against us all.
You cannot label us all under the same catorgory. Not everyone is the same, not all the students like to be involved in voilence etc. Its a small minority group.

Thom890 wrote:

orpington_2 wrote: I think alot of people on here are extremely judgemental think they know everything that goes on in that college. The majority of people on here are paronising and have this negative vibe to all orpington college students because of a few. People talk about a community being as one yet all you can do is batter students and say negative comments, not one person has suiggested how this situation could be solved,and i can guarantee the public has sent hundreds of complaints. I spoke with an officer tofay who stated that no police officer was stabb that he got caught up in the incident and that he scratched his eye 'no weapons' were found on ANY of the students.. another thing i would like to address is that one person said that officers should start shooting.. what good is that doing. Two wrongs do not make a right, you are not sorting out the problem you are making it escalate, you people complain about crime yet thats exactly what you are telling the police to do, or do they have the right to do so just because they are Police officers...

perfectly said

God and just think with all this 'bend over backwards' for the minority students from Lewisham and Catford. We might end up with Britains first black prime minister coming from Orpington college. This quote just backs the mind set of these students mentality at the college, what a delight it must be to teach them....

It was not a riot involving mainly students from lewisham and college..... I think it was the drama class making a short film, I think. It's going to be call

Rawksdrift 2

sorry1 wrote:
It was not a riot involving mainly students from lewisham and college..... I think it was the drama class making a short film, I think. It's going to be call

Rawksdrift 2

er trust me it was a riot... so you should just shut your cakehole

'Sorry1 Bromley', that made me laugh. I got your joke. Trouble is its not so much a joke as the truth.
Only a few with a little history knowledge will get it.

I am only 21 so i have not long left college at north west kent in darford. The buses i got on were never like what has been described. I dont see why these youngsters feel the need to act all big, carry kives and mouth off to people that are older. I am not much older than some of these pupils and i would never dream of speaking to a bus driver in the way they do and i sure as hell would not start abusing police officers. JUST THINK ONE DAY IT COULD BE YOUR PARENTS THAT GET ABUSE JUST LIKE YOU GIVE THESE PEOPLE. YOU WOULDNT LIKE IT THEN!

i think alot of people are missing the real issue here.... children of today know what police can and can't do. This they take advantage of. Ive read a few comments regarding PCSO's and the majority of they cant do nothing is rubbish. I use a bus daily, ive seen crime dropped fast over two years by officers patrolling buses. You forget that its not the police who make the rules. its the government. Police have their hands tied. They cant do this they cant do that, they may hurt someones feelings if something is said, The Country is to "PC" and worry too much on what people think and feel NOT the problem. These animals need excluding from their schools, loose their education BUT oh no, they have a right to that. Brutes like that should be put in the army. Give them national service and make them appreciate their own country and not abuse it

the government have stuffed up big time. they get paid to go to school and then they get their 50.95 a week from job centre if they dont work. id be quite happy for the police to carry guns or bring back national service, perhaps then our prisons woulodnt be full as there would be less problems.

eljaba wrote:
I am only 21 so i have not long left college at north west kent in darford. The buses i got on were never like what has been described. I dont see why these youngsters feel the need to act all big, carry kives and mouth off to people that are older. I am not much older than some of these pupils and i would never dream of speaking to a bus driver in the way they do and i sure as hell would not start abusing police officers. JUST THINK ONE DAY IT COULD BE YOUR PARENTS THAT GET ABUSE JUST LIKE YOU GIVE THESE PEOPLE. YOU WOULDNT LIKE IT THEN!

you my friend.. you do not know what happened on this day. From me being an eyewitness i saw what happened. No one was carryin a knife people who was mouthing off were only doing so because they were being pushed and shoved for no reason. No one even spoke to the bus driver. Really and truely it was the bus driver who caused all this. The bus was not full and no one was pushing on to get onto the bus so the bus driver could have just drove off, even the community police people said so, but instead he stopped the bus and started the whole thing. There was no reason for police to come because there was no rudeness happening until people started getting pushed and shoved. An old woman fell down because the police was pushing people so hard someone flew into the old woman. You can not act like the police are all rosey and good because they are not, they were bored so they wanted something to happen. "We need to make sure we get as much people arrested as possible" was what one of the police men said. Instead of reading from what the media say you need to hold your comments and understand that yes okay maybe we are loud but in no way are we all disrespectful. You can not comment on something you have NO CLUE what you are on about. And as for the man who spoke to the media, the fruit and vegetable guy, he was not even there when the incident happened so he can not say anything.

i never said that everyone was or is disrespectable. i am young and like with the media raging on how youngsters today are so bad i am not tied into this, well atleast i try and prove that i am not like the majority. like most people that have commented on this issue i am commenting on the facts known to me. i apologise if i have offended you however the whole reason of people writing on here is to have their say. if i was there that day maybe i might be defending on what happened. however i wasn't and i am commenting on the details given here.

Erastus wrote:
ModernToss, I'm not saying it is their fault OR the fault of the real police.
I have seen PCSOs that are too fat, thin and short ever to become real officers. What do you have to say about these characters? The kids know who they can bully just by looking at them.

You have absolutely no idea what PCSOs do, your ignorant comments show that. I suggest you go to Bromley talk to one. There is nothing plastic about them, and not every PCSO is a wannabe police officer. They don't do all the menial jobs that PCs don't want to do, far from it. Stop jumping on the police bashing plastic policeman band-wagon, and grow up.

Erastus wrote:

elcapitan wrote: I dont think its the time to attack PCSOs. When there are only 2 of them taking on 40 raging youths they cannot win on their own. Could you? So it is not a case about what powers they have and the fact they dont do anything. They did the one and only thing that was possible and exactly the same thing that any police officer would do. CALL FOR BACK UP! These youths are scum, they dont just laugh at pcsos, they laugh at police officers, they laugh at members of the public, they laugh at everyone, they think to they run the show and its not the time to be slating the police but rather backing them all!!!!!!!!!!!!

I AM backing the police by asking for more of them to be recruited instead of PCSOs which no one takes seriously. We need more properly trained police on our streets, not kids playing 'The Bill'. Now do you understand, or are you a plastic police officer?

I didn't think my time would come to have to argue with you. You need too seriously change your attitude towards Police Community Support Officers. So, you say PCSOs are not properly trained. Please tell me how, exactly, you know such information? The 35 year old PCSO on my local SNT is obviously a kid playing 'The Bill'...I never thought about it like that before! I think not sunshine, this man changed his career to help his local community and he has made a significant difference and contribution to improving our lives and our safety! I suggest you arrange to go out with some PCSOs in your area and see for yourself, what they actually do. As for your last question...No, I am not a PCSO and neither do I have any connection to the policing family or law society!

Wading through the reams of incendiary posts on both sides of this debate, I see several points NOT being addressed.

1. Young people ARE being demonised by the media and by the court of public opinion.

2. We ARE the politicians masters not the other-way round. If we don't like how they are dealing with the tough decisions surrounding Law and Order / Social Issues / Education then it is our RESPONSIBILITY to vote them out at the next election. Don't forget however that we only get the society that our taxes can afford to create, it is not a bottomless money pit.

3. Some young people know all too well what their RIGHTS are but don't know how to be RESPONSIBLE for their own actions and haven't learned how to RESPECT other people and their surroundings. The causes of this are myriad and only through EDUCATION will they learn this. This IS the responsibility of their parents and not Further Education Establishments

4. If young people choose to communicate in public forums such as these their use of text speak and slang does not mean that they are illiterate. But likewise they should appreciate that it's use is innappropriate if they wish to be understood by the widest number of people in a MATURE debate.

5. PCSOs perform a valuable duty but they are NOT a substitute for REAL policemen. This is not a criticism it is a financial compromise. If you don't like it then I refer you to point 2, vote for a party committed to recruiting more REAL policemen and women.

6. Bus drivers have the RIGHT to refuse to carry passengers for a number reasons. Making sure that you have a valid ticket and ensuring that you are not abusive or intimidating and RESPECT other passengers is your RESPONSIBILITY as a passenger. This is not a criticism of young people, but applies to everyone (old or young, mothers with prams, people who've been out drinking)

7. Inflammatory comments are counter productive and IMMATURE no matter who makes them, young or old.

Its not about 'young people'. Its about some other clear common denominator. Any guesses as to what that might be? An uncharitable observer might think you were deliberately trying to derail the natural and obvious conclusions to be drawn from these events.

Remember how protests over knife crime were carefully managed - ie steered off the road - into non-specific and pointless demands about 'young peoples behaviour' and changing 'attitudes' to carrying knives. What a joke! but a success is getting away from the obvious and thus any actual solution.

Also, if 'young people' will threaten and use knives on the police where does that leave those pontificating about the staff at college enforcing discipline? Another joke! We are way, way beyond that stage. You make it sound like we are talking about some unruly schoolboys scrumping apples, a whack from the head of the fourth form will sort them out will it, Just William anybody?

elcapitan wrote:

Erastus wrote:

elcapitan wrote: I dont think its the time to attack PCSOs. When there are only 2 of them taking on 40 raging youths they cannot win on their own. Could you? So it is not a case about what powers they have and the fact they dont do anything. They did the one and only thing that was possible and exactly the same thing that any police officer would do. CALL FOR BACK UP! These youths are scum, they dont just laugh at pcsos, they laugh at police officers, they laugh at members of the public, they laugh at everyone, they think to they run the show and its not the time to be slating the police but rather backing them all!!!!!!!!!!!!

I AM backing the police by asking for more of them to be recruited instead of PCSOs which no one takes seriously. We need more properly trained police on our streets, not kids playing 'The Bill'. Now do you understand, or are you a plastic police officer?

I didn't think my time would come to have to argue with you. You need too seriously change your attitude towards Police Community Support Officers. So, you say PCSOs are not properly trained. Please tell me how, exactly, you know such information? The 35 year old PCSO on my local SNT is obviously a kid playing 'The Bill'...I never thought about it like that before! I think not sunshine, this man changed his career to help his local community and he has made a significant difference and contribution to improving our lives and our safety! I suggest you arrange to go out with some PCSOs in your area and see for yourself, what they actually do. As for your last question...No, I am not a PCSO and neither do I have any connection to the policing family or law society!

I have no intention of arguing with you because I am RIGHT. End of.

Go to the following address and hope that your children never get into difficulty in water and the only people around to help are a couple of undertrained PCSOs:
http://www.metro.co.
uk/news/article.html
?in_article_id=67080
&in_page_id=34
Forget the rules, what adult could just stand by without jumping in an attempt to find a drowing child? The answer is an adult in a PCSO uniform.

orpingtoncollege wrote:

eljaba wrote: I am only 21 so i have not long left college at north west kent in darford. The buses i got on were never like what has been described. I dont see why these youngsters feel the need to act all big, carry kives and mouth off to people that are older. I am not much older than some of these pupils and i would never dream of speaking to a bus driver in the way they do and i sure as hell would not start abusing police officers. JUST THINK ONE DAY IT COULD BE YOUR PARENTS THAT GET ABUSE JUST LIKE YOU GIVE THESE PEOPLE. YOU WOULDNT LIKE IT THEN!

you my friend.. you do not know what happened on this day. From me being an eyewitness i saw what happened. No one was carryin a knife people who was mouthing off were only doing so because they were being pushed and shoved for no reason. No one even spoke to the bus driver. Really and truely it was the bus driver who caused all this. The bus was not full and no one was pushing on to get onto the bus so the bus driver could have just drove off, even the community police people said so, but instead he stopped the bus and started the whole thing. There was no reason for police to come because there was no rudeness happening until people started getting pushed and shoved. An old woman fell down because the police was pushing people so hard someone flew into the old woman. You can not act like the police are all rosey and good because they are not, they were bored so they wanted something to happen. "We need to make sure we get as much people arrested as possible" was what one of the police men said. Instead of reading from what the media say you need to hold your comments and understand that yes okay maybe we are loud but in no way are we all disrespectful. You can not comment on something you have NO CLUE what you are on about. And as for the man who spoke to the media, the fruit and vegetable guy, he was not even there when the incident happened so he can not say anything.

So now it's the bus drivers fault !

Why not try acting as adults & admit responsibility for your actions

i used to live in orpington and i found the college kids loud,rude and intimidating so much so that i would avoid the place when i knew what time they would get off the buses.Glad i don't live there any more.There seems to be so much violence going on in the Bromley borough at the moment and it's getting worse.

LOL! TO FASHIONISTA, LOCKED & LOADED, REASONABLE 75, MADRAS AND ORPINGTON WATCHER! LET ME JUS SAY 1 THING AT LEAST IM NOT THE SCARED ONE SO IM JUST GOING TO LAUGH AWAY AT YOUR COMMENTS AND LANGUANGE MY ENGLISH IS OVER 20 TIMES BETTER THAN YOURS SO GET OFF THE PLANET!

viickiie wrote:
LOL! TO FASHIONISTA, LOCKED & LOADED, REASONABLE 75, MADRAS AND ORPINGTON WATCHER! LET ME JUS SAY 1 THING AT LEAST IM NOT THE SCARED ONE SO IM JUST GOING TO LAUGH AWAY AT YOUR COMMENTS AND LANGUANGE MY ENGLISH IS OVER 20 TIMES BETTER THAN YOURS SO GET OFF THE PLANET!

Much better that's right Viickiie keep telling yourself that, so much better that you use abbreviated words like LOL which in truth mean nothing, just so you know abbreviated means to shorten a word! Oh and "languange" I am so sure you mean Language.

sorry1 wrote:

Thom890 wrote:

orpington_2 wrote: I think alot of people on here are extremely judgemental think they know everything that goes on in that college. The majority of people on here are paronising and have this negative vibe to all orpington college students because of a few. People talk about a community being as one yet all you can do is batter students and say negative comments, not one person has suiggested how this situation could be solved,and i can guarantee the public has sent hundreds of complaints. I spoke with an officer tofay who stated that no police officer was stabb that he got caught up in the incident and that he scratched his eye 'no weapons' were found on ANY of the students.. another thing i would like to address is that one person said that officers should start shooting.. what good is that doing. Two wrongs do not make a right, you are not sorting out the problem you are making it escalate, you people complain about crime yet thats exactly what you are telling the police to do, or do they have the right to do so just because they are Police officers...

perfectly said

God and just think with all this 'bend over backwards' for the minority students from Lewisham and Catford. We might end up with Britains first black prime minister coming from Orpington college. This quote just backs the mind set of these students mentality at the college, what a delight it must be to teach them....

Now isnt this completely diverting from what I was saying. Now who are you to assume that I am black. another thing is all I am saying is the truth, What im simply saying is that the main problem is that people are thinking that this issue can be solved by being harsh.

Hello,
I am the reporter who wrote the article and after reading through the comments I would like to respond.
I studied for my a-levels at Orpington College four years ago and I must say what happened on Tuesday night came as no surprise to me.
This kind of behaviour was rife at the college and this particular bus stop when I was there, in fact at the end of my first day at the college I was standing waiting for my bus (477). The 51 came along, already quite full and everyone jumped on. The driver had to shut the doors and groups of people started rocking the bus! However, as a former student there I also want to point out that it is not right to tar everyone with the same brush. There were other students I knew, of all colours and backgrounds, who did want to learn and were there for the right reasons, but then again there were students who obviously were not. The bottom line is there are good young, polite, mannered people in this country, but there are also nasty, rude people. Last night I went to the cinema and was sat next to two girls who kept talking and burping throughout the whole film! I was disgusted that a girl could be like this. Some youngsters no matter what their skin colour, want respect, but are not prepared to give it in the first place, and this is where things go wrong. For people to say this report is baised is incorrect also. There are comments from the college principal, who is disgusted with the behaviour, the borough commander, witnesses, and shop keepers. Everyone has a right to their opinion, no matter if people agree with it or not. When I was at the college trouble would start between groups, they always had strength in numbers. As it has been demonstrated by the number of comments on here, people are obviously worried about the situation. Rather than talk about it why don't some of you try to think of ideas which would help prevent things like this in the future? If people stop rushing everywhere, become more patient with others and learn to respect eachother then this country would be a nicer place to live in.

Orpington College launches new course- Basic Social Skills

Entry Level Qualifications- Mental age of a 12 year old.

Modules include: The advantages of treating people with basic courtesy. Advanced queuing and a special astronomy course which demonstrates the earth revolves around the sun and not you.

viickiie wrote:
LOL! TO FASHIONISTA, LOCKED & LOADED, REASONABLE 75, MADRAS AND ORPINGTON WATCHER! LET ME JUS SAY 1 THING AT LEAST IM NOT THE SCARED ONE SO IM JUST GOING TO LAUGH AWAY AT YOUR COMMENTS AND LANGUANGE MY ENGLISH IS OVER 20 TIMES BETTER THAN YOURS SO GET OFF THE PLANET!

When you grow up, learn to spell, stop using abbreviations and figure out where the "Caps Lock" button is on your keyboard, you may well look back at yourself and savour the delicious irony of your comments.

Hi people...

As a former pupil and student of Stanley Tech Boys School and Bromley College, respectively, I'm no stranger to witnessing anti-social behaviour. In all truth, it would've been easy for me to get caught up in this stupidness, but once I left my house it was up to me to decide how I behaved, and how I wish to be perceived in the public eye. These idiots don't seem to have that foresight, and have a selfish mentality where they don't care about the noise and unpleasant environment they cause for those around them. Black? White? Asian?... doesn't matter!!! Take responsibility for your own behaviour!! I've never been in any trouble with police for rowdy behaviour, nor have the friends I choose to be around, so it is about how YOU decide to act that's gonna determine how u are treated by the police etc. I'm mixed race and have never had any problems, so stick ur race card!!! YOU have the power to change how you are treated.

Let's just outline some previous events in the last couple of years
First one around 2 years ago in november students from orpington college firing fireworks over at bus stop
Second one was a stabbing last year yet again from orpington college.And now this incident with the bus stop and yet some disillusioned people still
Think its not the college

viickiie wrote:
LOL! TO FASHIONISTA, LOCKED & LOADED, REASONABLE 75, MADRAS AND ORPINGTON WATCHER! LET ME JUS SAY 1 THING AT LEAST IM NOT THE SCARED ONE SO IM JUST GOING TO LAUGH AWAY AT YOUR COMMENTS AND LANGUANGE MY ENGLISH IS OVER 20 TIMES BETTER THAN YOURS SO GET OFF THE PLANET!

So obviously you are saying the rest of us should be scared? Yes, unfortunately, I am! Probably like a large number of people I am now scared to walk along the high street in case I get abuse (or worse) by feral scumbags. Yes you probably laugh as you think it great to terrify people.

Suggest you speak to your english teacher & ask their opinion of your language being "20 times better"

Who reported my post???

Was I not just telling it how it is???

yea mine were deleted aswell.... stop trying to cover up the truth, WE are your readers!

viickiie wrote:
RACISM! im guessing you are all white. i can write what ever i like as its a free world are you going to do something to me NO! so i suggest you keep quiet there. you people can just sit here and type your lives away because i know you have nothing better to do with yourselves. As for me im getting my good education in ORPINGTON COLLEGE! yes and my english teacher is your family so congratulate them for me!. You can be scared all you want but ask your self this HAS ANYONE TOUCHED YOU? NO if you to scared get out the area no one is forcing you to stay. and as for the so called 'white students' that think its the black people causing a scene move colleges SIMPLE!. I have nothing more to say to you stupid people commenting to me because i know your sitting here waiting for my replys. i know when if i see you then you wouldnt be able to say all of this to me. So like i said before get off the planet! and as for you talking about me needing to practice those phrases its funny how you know the things i have to practice because your family works there. please come and say it to my face and stop these internet gangster talks!

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I'm NOT white and I find you an actual joke, whatever race you are from. I look forward to seeing you on here in 10years, saying exactly what we're saying, as u may have grown up enough to understand that it is NOT COOL to go around acting like a muppet just because your mates do it!!! Grow a backbone and stop trying to impress your homies, it'll get you nowhere in life!!!

Every race should be respected and treated in the same way. This incident that happend wasn't much of a big deal. I don't see why people are making it such a massive thing. There are worser things that happen.

Students don't behave like this inside college as they are respected and not looked down on. They do their own thing and study. However, outside college it's you people who stare at them and say nasty comments about them.

C'mon have you never seen a bunch of youths chatting amongst themselves. How is that threatening? Have they physically touched you? I seriously dont understand. You people need to calm down and stop making nasty comments like they are scums and get them kicked out. Show some respect to one another.

mr.21 wrote:
Every race should be respected and treated in the same way. This incident that happend wasn't much of a big deal. I don't see why people are making it such a massive thing. There are worser things that happen. Students don't behave like this inside college as they are respected and not looked down on. They do their own thing and study. However, outside college it's you people who stare at them and say nasty comments about them. C'mon have you never seen a bunch of youths chatting amongst themselves. How is that threatening? Have they physically touched you? I seriously dont understand. You people need to calm down and stop making nasty comments like they are scums and get them kicked out. Show some respect to one another.

It's not about race!!!!!!! It's about how u behave in public, why do kids need to put up their hoods? Jump around in excitement on buses? Give the bus driver trouble? Act aggressively or rude towards a member of the public asking them to maybe be tone it down a bit??? U don't need to be 3 times noisier than everyone else to have a conversation with the person next to u!!!

No matter what colour you are, if u act like this, how can u demand respect??!

YNWA1984 wrote:

mr.21 wrote: Every race should be respected and treated in the same way. This incident that happend wasn't much of a big deal. I don't see why people are making it such a massive thing. There are worser things that happen. Students don't behave like this inside college as they are respected and not looked down on. They do their own thing and study. However, outside college it's you people who stare at them and say nasty comments about them. C'mon have you never seen a bunch of youths chatting amongst themselves. How is that threatening? Have they physically touched you? I seriously dont understand. You people need to calm down and stop making nasty comments like they are scums and get them kicked out. Show some respect to one another.

It's not about race!!!!!!! It's about how u behave in public, why do kids need to put up their hoods? Jump around in excitement on buses? Give the bus driver trouble? Act aggressively or rude towards a member of the public asking them to maybe be tone it down a bit??? U don't need to be 3 times noisier than everyone else to have a conversation with the person next to u!!! No matter what colour you are, if u act like this, how can u demand respect??!

I totally understand where your coming from. Kids put their hoods on beause they want to. However, for some peope it is a sign of threat. You shouldn't be scared if a kid is wearing a hoody unless they actually do or say something to you.

Jumping around on buses? Thats not really a problem is it? if kids wanna run up and down on a bus let them thats not specifically harming anyone.

Kids acting aggressively towards a member of public is not something to be proud of. But if a random person got rude to you wouldn't you get rude to them back?

Being noisy is not really harming anyone. If somebody wants to shout or talk loud they can it's a free country.

I think it is a absolute disgrace, these Thugs have ruined the high street of late. I think the only people to attend Orpington college should be local kids - i.e within a 5 mile radius. These "animals" have no respect at all. I totally agree with a comment above regarding the fact that about 20 yrs ago it was only intelligent people that attended college now days it seems to be an excuse not to work and for families to claim more benefits ! send the lazy buggers out to work !
I also agree that they should be shipped in & out on specialised buses/coaches and that their parents should pay for it ! Those involved should be removed from the college with immediate effect.

Mollymerc wrote:
I think it is a absolute disgrace, these Thugs have ruined the high street of late. I think the only people to attend Orpington college should be local kids - i.e within a 5 mile radius. These "animals" have no respect at all. I totally agree with a comment above regarding the fact that about 20 yrs ago it was only intelligent people that attended college now days it seems to be an excuse not to work and for families to claim more benefits ! send the lazy buggers out to work ! I also agree that they should be shipped in & out on specialised buses/coaches and that their parents should pay for it ! Those involved should be removed from the college with immediate effect.

I think your being racist here don't you think. Animals - looks like your aiming it to black people. And within a 5 mile radius - only white people as the majority living in that area are white.

I dont belive I mentioned anything at all about race.......There are many ethnic minorities living within Orpington and the surrounding area.... ???? To behave the way they did - yes, I think they acted like animals....

Mollymerc wrote:
I dont belive I mentioned anything at all about race.......There are many ethnic minorities living within Orpington and the surrounding area.... ???? To behave the way they did - yes, I think they acted like animals....

If the kids were acting like animals what about the police. The way they behaved wasn't exactly perfect was it?

Of course, blame the police

And what about the bus driver? Don't any of use think he was partially to blame? Because he could've driven away but no instead he thought he should stick around and cause a drama.

reasonable75 wrote:
Of course, blame the police

It's funny how it's easy to blame the kids and not the police. All police officers are not perfect.

im sorry hear we go again using the race card grow up ure actually gunna try and blame the bus driver hahaha how funny and the pcsos THERE NOT EVEN PROPER POLICE U IDIOT THEY CANT EVEN ARREST thoes kids acted like animals and have only there selves to blame the driver did the right thing by splitting all of them up i dont start a riot when i cant get on the bus why do they feel they can

mr.21 wrote:

Mollymerc wrote: I dont belive I mentioned anything at all about race.......There are many ethnic minorities living within Orpington and the surrounding area.... ???? To behave the way they did - yes, I think they acted like animals....

If the kids were acting like animals what about the police. The way they behaved wasn't exactly perfect was it?

No it probably was'nt............ I don't particularly like them either !

mr.21 wrote:

YNWA1984 wrote:

mr.21 wrote: Every race should be respected and treated in the same way. This incident that happend wasn't much of a big deal. I don't see why people are making it such a massive thing. There are worser things that happen. Students don't behave like this inside college as they are respected and not looked down on. They do their own thing and study. However, outside college it's you people who stare at them and say nasty comments about them. C'mon have you never seen a bunch of youths chatting amongst themselves. How is that threatening? Have they physically touched you? I seriously dont understand. You people need to calm down and stop making nasty comments like they are scums and get them kicked out. Show some respect to one another.

It's not about race!!!!!!! It's about how u behave in public, why do kids need to put up their hoods? Jump around in excitement on buses? Give the bus driver trouble? Act aggressively or rude towards a member of the public asking them to maybe be tone it down a bit??? U don't need to be 3 times noisier than everyone else to have a conversation with the person next to u!!! No matter what colour you are, if u act like this, how can u demand respect??!

I totally understand where your coming from. Kids put their hoods on beause they want to. However, for some peope it is a sign of threat. You shouldn't be scared if a kid is wearing a hoody unless they actually do or say something to you. Jumping around on buses? Thats not really a problem is it? if kids wanna run up and down on a bus let them thats not specifically harming anyone. Kids acting aggressively towards a member of public is not something to be proud of. But if a random person got rude to you wouldn't you get rude to them back? Being noisy is not really harming anyone. If somebody wants to shout or talk loud they can it's a free country.

Sorry I have to laugh...

when i say 'kids' I'm not talking about 5year-olds, and if I was, they would be reprimanded by their parents for their behaviour... So if these 16-21year-olds aren't being reprimanded by their parents for stupid behaviour, obviously it's down to people like PCSOs, PCs, bus drivers etc. to make sure they don't just get away with their anti-social behaviour!!!

Clearly you don't understand, I'm not actually intimidated coz I can't take the idiots seriously!! If u'r in a public place, respect the people around you, it aint hard!!! If u wanna be rowdy then wait 'til you're in your own house!!!

they was being assulted they did wat they had to do called self defence u act like they just ran in with batons and beat there heads in i mean who sufferd the injeries the police

If the bus driver had of moved he risked causing injury to the people inside and out who were standing close to the bus or as the article suggests kicking the doors etc.

This has nothing to do with race, the article never mentioned anything to do with race, it always boils down to that though, that’s how bad this country is now, maybe some of you should stop being so sensitive and making it about race. Its about young people and the way they behave towards people who are maybe older than them, people who are doing a public service like the police, bus driver, and general members of the public who have to witness this behaviour.

This sort of behaviour happens all over the surrounding areas as I said before it is just not Orpington collage students that are guilty of it, it is a problem up Bexleyheath, Welling etc at school kick out times, rather than pass blame back and forth why don't college students being accused come up with maybe a solution to over crowding on buses and people who maybe could wait 30 mins to let school/college kids clear out of the area or go 30 minutes before they clear out. Its like some OAP's that get the bus at 3:30 knowing the schools will be out soon and the buses will be packet but still tut and moan that they cannot get a seat although they have had all day to catch that bus to go to the shops, obviously that’s with the acceptation of the few that have appointments to keep but is rearly the case.

mr.21 wrote:
And what about the bus driver? Don't any of use think he was partially to blame? Because he could've driven away but no instead he thought he should stick around and cause a drama.

How could he drive away? The bus was surrounded and, temping it might be, he could hardly drive over the scum

Susie:o) wrote:
If the bus driver had of moved he risked causing injury to the people inside and out who were standing close to the bus or as the article suggests kicking the doors etc. This has nothing to do with race, the article never mentioned anything to do with race, it always boils down to that though, that’s how bad this country is now, maybe some of you should stop being so sensitive and making it about race. Its about young people and the way they behave towards people who are maybe older than them, people who are doing a public service like the police, bus driver, and general members of the public who have to witness this behaviour. This sort of behaviour happens all over the surrounding areas as I said before it is just not Orpington collage students that are guilty of it, it is a problem up Bexleyheath, Welling etc at school kick out times, rather than pass blame back and forth why don't college students being accused come up with maybe a solution to over crowding on buses and people who maybe could wait 30 mins to let school/college kids clear out of the area or go 30 minutes before they clear out. Its like some OAP's that get the bus at 3:30 knowing the schools will be out soon and the buses will be packet but still tut and moan that they cannot get a seat although they have had all day to catch that bus to go to the shops, obviously that’s with the acceptation of the few that have appointments to keep but is rearly the case.

It is indeed all about respect from youngsters, or the lack of it, they think they're untouchable, and at the moment they're pretty much right!!!

Do people knocking the PCSO's really want full blown Police Officers chaperoning students onto a bus? What a waste of resources. Most people know kicking a bus to get on it is not the done thing. Where do these students learn this sort of behaviour from? Where they dragged up by chimps in a local zoo or something? Shocking.

and vickie stop the whole ure racist ure racist it really is boring and u can say wat u want isent that obvius just like i am now and susie how dare u moan about old people they deserve a seat they should be respected and not have to listen to or put up with behavior like that im 21 and i always watch my language attitude and il give up my seat if an old person needs it think its called being brought up not dragged up love

orpington21 wrote:
and vickie stop the whole ure racist ure racist it really is boring and u can say wat u want isent that obvius just like i am now and susie how dare u moan about old people they deserve a seat they should be respected and not have to listen to or put up with behavior like that im 21 and i always watch my language attitude and il give up my seat if an old person needs it think its called being brought up not dragged up love

im exactly the same age as you and totally agree!!! im not much older than these 'yoofs' but i still know manners and common decency towards other people!!

thank you glad to hear im not the only one with common sence

I notice the stupid comments end after about 5.00 - perhaps they spend all day in college on the PC?

I TELL U WHAT U ALL MAKE ME LAGH TAKEING THE MIC OUT OF PCSO THEY DO A VERY GD JOB AND DO WHAT THEY DO WELL AT THE END OFF LOOK AT BEXLEYHEATH U HAVE ABOUT 10 PCSO AND ONE PC AND U VERY RARELEY GET ANY TROUBLE THERE DURING SCHOOL KICK OUT ALL IT IS IS THE YOUTH OF TODAY HAVE NO RESPECT FOR ANY ONE OR ANY THING I WAS ON A BUS SATERDAY AND HAD A GROUP OFF YOUTHS MAY I SAY BLACK YOUTHS BOYS AND GIRLS KICK OFF ON THE TOP DECK OFF THE BUS AND AS SOON AS SOME OF EM GT OFF THEY SMASHED THE WINDOW WHICH I SAW NO POINT IN PART FROM PUTTING THE BUS OUT OF SEVEICE AND LEAVEING AND MY 2 YEAR OLD STAHDING OUT IN THE COLD WAITNG FOR THE NEXT BUS YOU ALL NEED TO GROW UP AND LOOK URSELFS UR ALL WANT TO BE PEOPLE U ARE NOT GROW UP DO WHAT U GT TO DO AT COLLAGE AND GO HOME IF THE BUS IS FULL THEN WAIT FOR THE NEXT ONE SIMPLE I HAVE TO ARIVE AT WORK EVERY MORNING AN HOUR EARLY JUST SO I CAN GET ON A BUS !!!

Seems to me we have a simple problem here. Those who want to conform and act like normal civilised people ( the majority of students ), and those that want to behave like morons, ( the 'minority', know what I mean ! ).
Well the normal conforming students should be allowed on ordinary buses. The rabble should be put on special buses, something like the 'blue bus' they use for special needs kids. That way they can act up and only affect each other. Other than that perhaps a local farmer has a cattle truck to bus these idiots back to Cat-ford, Lew-shum, and Wool-wich.

first i'am only 13 year 9 i go kemnal tech college first i was there and the bus was full 2 the students behavior was terrible 3 all this race stuff stop complaning defending the black people im not racist i have friends that are black it's because most crimes these days are down to black people sorry if anyone is offended 4 the youths are terrible i would never dream back chating police let alone hitting them they deserve more respect for now that is all im sorry for my spelling im young

I feel very angry that yet again all teenagers have been tarred with the same brush! My son attends Orpington College and is a law abiding, hard working and polite teenager, just because a few of the 1000+ students who attend the college let themselves down please remember that there are some who still show respect to everyone and work hard to make sure their lives go in the right direction.

If you were NOT there on Tuesday you have NO right to comment on happened. The Media have been exaggerating the INCIDENT to a ridiculous extent, and whoever they recieved their information from have also lied. If have never studied in Orpington College or spent at least a week in the College you have no right to comment on the Students. Here are the FACTS of what happened that day:
1. The bus was NOT packed (infact it was the COMPLETE opposite)
2. The driver DID let students on, but when it became packed he said nomore, which people ACCEPTED and PATIENTLY waited for the next bus (myself being one of them)
3. The PCSO was the ONLY person that pressed the emergency exit.
4. The Officer was not stabbed in the eye, he was hit and it broke his glasses which cut his eye, he also did not go to the hospital an ambulance was called and he was looked at there and then.
In the past, i have heard that Orpington is a racist area, but never really believed it (eventhough i was attacked on my birthday earlier this year), but after what happened on Tuesday i agree with the statement 150%. The way the PCSO officers handled the situation was TOTALLY wrong, ALOT of students where injured for no reason at all and recieved NO treatment from the ambulance. NONE OF YOU HAVE A RIGHT TO COMMENT ON WHAT HAPPENED THAT DAY because i am sure that NONE of you were there, and i am sure that if you were infront of Orpington Students you WOULD not say any of this to them, so please do not say it behind their backs as you sound really stupid.

Kacey, Abbey Wood you're the one that sounds stupid. If you take the time to read a comment from a lady that was on the bus you may find out the truth.

I see that you think it's OK that a PCSO was only hit and not stabbed.
That tells me all I need to know about you. How long before you play the race card you idiot.

Kacey wrote:
If you were NOT there on Tuesday you have NO right to comment on happened. The Media have been exaggerating the INCIDENT to a ridiculous extent, and whoever they recieved their information from have also lied. If have never studied in Orpington College or spent at least a week in the College you have no right to comment on the Students. Here are the FACTS of what happened that day:
1. The bus was NOT packed (infact it was the COMPLETE opposite)
2. The driver DID let students on, but when it became packed he said nomore, which people ACCEPTED and PATIENTLY waited for the next bus (myself being one of them)
3. The PCSO was the ONLY person that pressed the emergency exit.
4. The Officer was not stabbed in the eye, he was hit and it broke his glasses which cut his eye, he also did not go to the hospital an ambulance was called and he was looked at there and then.
In the past, i have heard that Orpington is a racist area, but never really believed it (eventhough i was attacked on my birthday earlier this year), but after what happened on Tuesday i agree with the statement 150%. The way the PCSO officers handled the situation was TOTALLY wrong, ALOT of students where injured for no reason at all and recieved NO treatment from the ambulance. NONE OF YOU HAVE A RIGHT TO COMMENT ON WHAT HAPPENED THAT DAY because i am sure that NONE of you were there, and i am sure that if you were infront of Orpington Students you WOULD not say any of this to them, so please do not say it behind their backs as you sound really stupid.

Er people who live in the area have every right to comment on the way the SCUM from the college behave! Before you make smart arsed remarks i would seriously suggest you actually have a clue what you are talking about! Lewisham and Croydon colleges were amoungst the 1st to have metal detecters and full time security guards. Not something ever needed at Orpington college before, but guess what, since 80% of the students started coming in from these areas! Another statistic you will undoubtedly have a clever reply for is, over 50 people have been found to be carrying knives in the last 2 years, do you know how many before the Lewisham student days? I'll give you a clue it's around 50 less. This show us respect thing seriously winds me up, take the massive chip of your shoulders and show some respect to other people and you may get some back! Just one more thing, i would seriously suggest you show some of the older people on the bus respect as if it wasn't for the ones who fought in wars 80% of Orpington college wouldn't be there!!!!

The race card often seems to be used when the person playing it has some prejudices of their own. In their eyes, only white people and police seem to be racist, when they should really have a look at themselves for those with the prejudices. I'm 16 and would never do something as stupid as what happened on Tuesday.

viickiie wrote:
excusee mee i dnt kno where all dis story is coming from nd i dnt kno y ppl r over exagerrating nd gettin scared chattin rubbish about orpington college students. i am a student dere nd dats not even how it happened IT WAS THE POLICE CAUSING A SCENE. nd to dat fed dat got hurt good 4 him he deserved it. all u old ppl dat live in orpington y u gettin shook 4 did n e wun touch you? NO so shut up. any way freeeeeeee da ppl dat got knickd it was'nt ur fault dese feds r gettin xcited coz dere in uniform. nd ppl if ur scared STAY IN UR HOUSE. nd stop tellin stories like u woz dere frm beggining FOOLSS

This says it all really! Anyone who goes to the college who doesn't have the same IQ as a Pigeon will be reading this and cringing! As for being scared of saying things to your face, i wouldn't invite the offer you silly little girl as there are quite a few people who would like to shove your words as far don't your throat as they could go. As for people should stay in their houses, i worked doors in Camberwell, Lewisham and Woolwich for years and idiots like you are all mouth, i had to put several people on the floor and guess what the so called gangsta brigade cried like babies and went running to the police!!!! You little girl are a joke!

Gooner1976 wrote:

viickiie wrote: excusee mee i dnt kno where all dis story is coming from nd i dnt kno y ppl r over exagerrating nd gettin scared chattin rubbish about orpington college students. i am a student dere nd dats not even how it happened IT WAS THE POLICE CAUSING A SCENE. nd to dat fed dat got hurt good 4 him he deserved it. all u old ppl dat live in orpington y u gettin shook 4 did n e wun touch you? NO so shut up. any way freeeeeeee da ppl dat got knickd it was'nt ur fault dese feds r gettin xcited coz dere in uniform. nd ppl if ur scared STAY IN UR HOUSE. nd stop tellin stories like u woz dere frm beggining FOOLSS

This says it all really! Anyone who goes to the college who doesn't have the same IQ as a Pigeon will be reading this and cringing! As for being scared of saying things to your face, i wouldn't invite the offer you silly little girl as there are quite a few people who would like to shove your words as far don't your throat as they could go. As for people should stay in their houses, i worked doors in Camberwell, Lewisham and Woolwich for years and idiots like you are all mouth, i had to put several people on the floor and guess what the so called gangsta brigade cried like babies and went running to the police!!!! You little girl are a joke!

Comment about the injury to the PCSO "nd to dat fed dat got hurt good 4 him he deserved it"

Why did he deserve to get hurt?

"all u old ppl dat live in orpington y u gettin shook 4 did n e wun touch you? NO so shut up"

Not on this occasion, but verbal abuse & threats could also be considered assault

"if ur scared STAY IN UR HOUSE" Why should we? Do we not have the right to be in Orpington?

I suppose you think "gangsta" talk makes you look big and "hard" - no, it just makes you look stupid.

I really think the only "safe" solution for all concerned would be to have a special bus/coach service shipping the students in and out of the college. That way their behaviour should have no or little impact on the local people who at the end of the day just want to go about their daily lives in peace and quiet.

viickiie wrote:
excusee mee i dnt kno where all dis story is coming from nd i dnt kno y ppl r over exagerrating nd gettin scared chattin rubbish about orpington college students. i am a student dere nd dats not even how it happened IT WAS THE POLICE CAUSING A SCENE. nd to dat fed dat got hurt good 4 him he deserved it. all u old ppl dat live in orpington y u gettin shook 4 did n e wun touch you? NO so shut up. any way freeeeeeee da ppl dat got knickd it was'nt ur fault dese feds r gettin xcited coz dere in uniform. nd ppl if ur scared STAY IN UR HOUSE. nd stop tellin stories like u woz dere frm beggining FOOLSS

What language are they teaching at College nowadays, because it certainly doesn't seem to be English. Why do people speak/write like this? It's appauling. And why should anyone give into the immature, senseless intimidation from the minority of students? It's Orpington High Street we're talking about here, not Beirut.

If you DO stand up to these youths, you'd be suprised. There's been a couple of incidents where I've heard snide comments made about me as and soon as I said ''scuse me, what was that, bruv??'' they backed straight off and was like ''er, nothing'' and bowed their heads. They try to intimidate, but show you're not intimidated and I bet the majority of time they won't say anything else. They are just bullies with no respect at all.
I live in Penge now and its full of pesky youths and the Kelsey boys are sometimes a handful on the buses after school, but nothing compared to these animals, it sounds like. I wasn't there, personally, but I get on the 208 after work sometimes and the college kids are so rude.
I also agree with the poster who said about elderly people that moan that they can't get a seat on the bus during peak times. Avoid school times!! You've got from 9am-3pm to go to M&S/for a cuppa, that's a whole SIX hours of empty buses!
This thread is going on for ages! lol I suggest some of you join The Sun Online discussion boards for some real juicy subjects. Its great!
Thanx to mod, Simon, for allowing me to edit my previous post and re-post.

I find it ironic that the Job Centre is situated just a few yards from Orpington College. At least the mindless, inadequate morons that cause trouble day after day will know where to go when they finish being a "student".

I fear, however, that there will not be enough road-sweeping and refuse collecting jobs to go around.

Jacko144 wrote:
I find it ironic that the Job Centre is situated just a few yards from Orpington College. At least the mindless, inadequate morons that cause trouble day after day will know where to go when they finish being a "student". I fear, however, that there will not be enough road-sweeping and refuse collecting jobs to go around.

Actually the so called 'job centre' closed some time ago.

All this militia talk of police using weapons is disgraceful. I'm a student at the college and I do reside in Catford it doesn't mean I'm a neanderthal of a yob it means I want to learn. I don't actually attend in order to gain EMA (Education Maintenance Allowance) as I don't fit the criteria, but none the less as a young black person it seems that the majority of you are tarnishing all young people with the same brush when its not like that at all. FYI the majority of people I see in the high street are of a certain age and hypothetically speaking if police were to use loaded weapons it would only result in there being more guns on the street and the next headline would be about an INNOCENT BYSTANDER CAUGHT IN CROSS FIRE.
Is that really what you want?? Because that doesn't sound very safe to me

I was an eye-witness at the incident and it was most certainly an unforgettable evening.

I agree with what you are saying here that youth should respect their elders. That is the way I have been brought up. I was actually at the incident myself with my little brother, on the bus, on our way to his piano lesson. I do not attend Orpington College but attend St. Olaves and St. Saviours Grammar School relatively near by. The incident escalated terribly quickly; so much so that it was extremely hard to understand the intricacies of what was going on. However, what I was able to deduce were two very clear issues:

1. Lack of respect for authority - the unfortunate incident started as a result of a lack of respect for authority (in this case, the PCSO) on the youth's part. It went on to further escalate as a result of uncontrollable fury. The attitude from the youth here was unexceptable and this cannot be denied.

2. Attitude of the police force - The following day after the incident a colleague of mine mentioned of how he was also at the incident. He went on to state how he thought the PCSOs were acting in a very provocative manner. This is not uncommon.

In addition to this, the number of police by the end of the incident was so high, that I began to wonder whether it was a gross over-reaction on the police's part. In hindsight, I think it was. To futher understand that police from as far as Greenwich and Lewisham were called to the scene is completely incomprehensible. Criminal activity in Greenwich and Lewisham did not stop at the time of this incident. The police should have remained where they were. As a result, what we had was a skewed distribution of police in the local areas all due to an incident which was handled rather badly by not only the youth but also the police force.

In conclusion, the youth involved at the incident should have humbled themselves and submitted to authority and controlled their anger. Also, the police should not have over-reacted and got caught up in the 'excitement' and 'drama'. They often do this which frequently results in innocent and injured victims.

I hope you have fully understood my points made above.

The rise in violence in London over Halloween brought in to sharp focus the issue of law and order in 21st century Britain.

Britain has been policed since 1829 by a largely unarmed police force policing "by consent". This concept derives from the first organised forces, in London, who patrolled on foot and deterred crime by their presence, and when crime happened brought the wrongdoers to justice.

Over the years since this point the concept morphed into the "bobby", working more or less along the same lines albeit now with more equipment, and vehicles. However, the idea of policing by consent remains to this day, and should now be brought into question.


Firstly, does the concept work universally? I would argue it does not. Crime in Britain in the 21st century has risen to unacceptable levels, on the back of pathetic sentences handed down by the Courts; liberal thinking amongst the government and judiciary; unchecked immigration resulting in new people arriving in the UK with different values and cultures; the breakdown of the modern family resulting in kids growing up without boundaries; and the emergence of the chav, that subsect of the human race that has become unfortunately far too common as they breed like rabbits, who tend to gather in groups and whose behaviour is appalling when they’re sober, far worse when they’re drunk.

Policing by consent is part of our culture and traditions and in the vast majority of the UK this type of policing does work, and tends to work well. This should not be changed. However many of those living in inner city areas simply don't register this concept, have no understanding of it whatsoever or chose to ignore it. One simply has to look at areas such as Brixton, Hackney, Southwark, Croydon and Lewisham to get an idea of how bad crime can get when this concept isn't working. For policing by consent to work, it requires the consent and co-operation of the community. For areas where this is missing, a change in the policing style is needed.





Since the early 80's the liberal intelligentsia have long held that this lack of consent and co-operation is due to poor community relations. This is rubbish. The police have tried extremely hard to foment good relations with minority communities and spent millions of pounds of taxpayers money on training in "community and race relations" and "diversity training". The police are doing their bit but certain parts of the community won't do theirs. This is not to say that the majority of the people in the multiracial communities are anti-police, the vast majority are law abiding citizens. However there is a substantial minority which has a tendency to punch above its weight and is steadfast in its determination to prevent policing, helping to ensure criminals remain free to roam the streets while simultaneously criticising the police for inaction or over-action, depending on what is politically expedient for them.

Under this climate, how can policing by consent work? It simply cannot. The only solution, aside from allowing the criminals and their sympathisers to control the streets, is to police by force. This may sound inflammatory to the liberals, but it is far more preferable to allowing innocent members of the community to live their lives under siege. The poorest people in society, and the most vulnerable, are disproportionately the victims of crime.


Zero tolerance was pioneered in New York and in Cleveland. In New York the murder rate halved and the city is now far safer than London, which was long known to be one of the safest capitals in the world. On the contrary, London is now one of the most dangerous capital cities in the western world in terms of the chances of becoming a victim of crime. A lot of this is down to the fact that the criminals know that they can get away with it most of the time due to the government insisting on tying the police's hands behind their backs, with political correctness, mountains of paperwork, etc, all justified by "human rights", coupled with pathetic sentencing from the Courts.


It is time we re-thought the idea of policing in Britain in the 21st century and took into account some examples of good practice. The way New York turned itself around gives us some hope. In the early 1980s, parts of the city resembled a war zone. Except in parts of the Upper East Side, the streets were not safe after dark, and many were not safe even before it. A ruthless campaign against criminal and anti-social behaviour by the last two Mayors and the police has had a dramatic effect on crime levels. New York still has its pockets of poverty and unpleasantness, but compared with quite a lot of London, the city is a paradise.







In the early 80s the police in London were using proactive policing tactics in trouble areas. One such operation was in Brixton where the area was flooded with plainclothes officers who conducted stops and searches in response to a horrendous rate of robberies in the area. As a result, robberies declined significantly and so did the rate for many other crimes. However, a riot then occurred, which was blamed largely on the police for being too zealous. The politicians then bowed to minority pressure - the "vocal minority" in these communities - and the emphasis, over the decade, gradually moved away from aggressive proactive policing in these areas. Police powers to stop and search were curtailed and the priority shifted towards avoiding riots rather than tackling the problem.


It is as a direct result of this that street crime has rocketed and people feel more at risk today than they ever have been. Politicians talk of "fear of crime" and needing to reduce this. Essentially the reason why people are in fear of crime is a combination of the fact that crime has dramatically increased since the 1960s, even though in the last decade most crimes (statistically anyway) declined, and the fact that they feel that the police do not control the streets.

Things need to change, and fast. We need an end to this liberal thinking when it comes to crime. We should start treating criminals as the enemy and not as pseudo-victim. We need to start talking about fighting crime and about eliminating crime, rather than the liberal terminology of simply ‘lowering crime’ or ‘making cuts in the crime or the statistics’. Criminals are the enemies of decent citizens and it should be the police’s job to drive them off the streets like a bulldozer clearing jungle to make way for civilisations return. The initiative could even be sponsored by a commercial firm – for example the campaign strapline could be “Jeyes Fluid and the Police, working together to remove the scum from your community”!

Seriously though, it has been shown time and again that when the criminals know they will be caught, when they fear the police, that crime declines. An example of this was the Los Angeles Police Department, who for decades kept a lid on one of the most challenging areas to police in the western world, with only 9000 officers for a huge city; With such a lack of manpower how the LAPD kept a lid on crime successfully until the mid 1980s can be attributed to the fact, according to former Chief from 1978 until 1992, Darryl F Gates:







"I will admit we were a very aggressive police department. We went after crime before it occurred. . . . Our people went out every single night trying to stop crime before it happened, trying to take people off the street that they believed were involved in crime. That made us a very aggressive, proactive police department."


However, the LAPD was also brought into turmoil after a riot was sparked following the footage of police officers using force on Rodney King. The police officers were acquitted of assault as a result of the media distortions of the case pre-trial, but the criminals and criminal sympathisers, as well as others who were simply being misled, rioted. This again fuelled the misconception that proactive hard policing leads to riots and community uproar. In actual fact these riots, in Brixton, Tottenham, and Los Angeles, were simply blips, and once they had been crushed, had the police re-established dominance, then the policing tactics that were used could and should have continued. Instead, politicians bowed to this, and insisted on changes. If only the police had refused and grasped the nettle even after the rioting, maybe things would be better in these areas today rather than far worse. No community has a right to refuse the rule of law, no matter how many cars they burn down or police officers they assault. The police should have made a point of keeping to the programme to send out this message, the message that the police are in charge not the criminals or their sympathisers. If higher force was needed then so be it, in the long run this would have ensured crime continued to decline rather than increase.


It is clear that when the police are on the retreat then crime goes up because criminals become confident and it becomes safe to commit crime. The only answer to this is to ensure that the police are on the offensive, always, and have the resources and back-up both physical and political to fight the war on crime. Only then will the streets become safe for everyone. That is why we must adopt this tough approach in every area where the existing approaches are failing.


We need to start recruiting a new breed of police officer, tough, dedicated, aggressive and multi-skilled. Over the years the requirements and standards have been lowered in order to get more women and representation from minority communities in. Now is the time to stop this political correctness and time to increase standards and hold quality above equality.





The paperwork mess and target culture so loved by the Home Offices and their political stooges at Scotland Yard needs to be sorted out and then fewer officers will be able to do more work. Forms will be made shorter, paperwork will be done increasingly by civilians and the latest technology used to cut the burden and increase efficiency to free-up more officers.

New specialist units should be introduced specifically for the new methods of policing. They would be the ‘creme de la creme’ of the ordinary patrol shifts, close to the pulse, and be formed of the toughest and most dedicated officers that can be found. These units would undertake plainclothes and uniformed work, be armed, and highly visible, and patrol the crime ridden areas with special additional powers to stop and search without "reasonable grounds" at any time. Their funding could come from the disbanding of special units at Scotland Yard, which are currently vastly over-resourced and totally unaccountable and also the disbanding of those specialist units that are dedicated to dealing with racist or homophobic crime, for instance, which should not be treated in a different or better way than any other crime.


The Metropolitan Police TSG (Territorial Support Group) must have sufficient officers to flood any area of London with armed police and conduct anti crime operations, using a raft of new legislation that places the human rights of the law abiding citizen above those of the common criminal.

We owe it to the law abiding taxpayers of this country to ensure that we have the capabilities to deal with gun threats, gang threats, and threats from terrorism and other crime and to make our streets safe again. It’s time for change.

Right, I think it's time for a sensible, moderate and informed individual actually says something to try and dilute the thoughtless amount of trash that's being banded about in light of what happened.

Firstly, the college is not being rebuilt, it's being extended. The facilities will be better, and it is hoped that it'll attract more able students (not that there aren't plenty of hard-working and capable students studying there!). This is also due to the fact that student recruitment is declining.

Second of all, it's an FE college. It's for students who, for whatever reason, haven't flourished or been able to perform well at school. Alternatively, it is there to further educate adults. I am a white (I put that in to deter probably racism which flows from the scummy mouths of Orpington residents!) middle class (again...) girl, who is relatively bright. I went to Cator Park School (where there was ironically another riot at New Beckenham train station a few years back, but I digress) where I was not supported, despite being mentally unwell. It took me three years to recover from (not just problems from Cator park, I admit) the experience and last year, at 16, I tentatively took my five GCSEs and gained 3 As at AS Level. I am a success story of the bloody brilliant teaching, the lovely atmosphere and the good people that go there.

Thirdly, Orpington is clearly a racist area and the scum many refer to is the large multi-cultural community within the college. I dislike the mindless residents who do not say thank you, who make silly and stupid comments and many of whom do not seem to have jobs.

Fourthly! Where else are these pieces of 'scum' going to go if they are not in education? It is better they are doing something constructive than being out on the streets and exacerbating any delinquency (which btw doesn't just happen at Orpington, I think the way Olaves and Newstead Woods kids behave is quite vulgar and unnecessary!) Do you think they should be locked away forever and ever? Or, how about this! We just shoot everyone whose skin colour, beliefs, culture and differences you dislike, fear or disagree with and then everything we'll be fine.

There are appropriate checks on place on 'knife crime' at the college e.g. spot checks whilst coming into college, allocation of lockers and random inspections to find drugs and knives.

Oh, and on the subject of the actual riot - one police officer got punched, he was wearing glasses and his eye was cut when his glasses broke. He was stitched up on the scene. However, one boy who I knew who was actually quite a conscientious and intelligent individual who was arrested by police during the incident was arrested purely for telling a police officer he thought the reaction to the one person who blew up was a little out of hand and unnecessary. The amount of verbal and racist abuse going on is disgusting.

So, to summarise - Orpington is full of scum, so I can't see how Orpington can attract it. Further, I love going to Orpo and hope many, many more people get to attend and enjoy the wonderful teaching that I have received.

Oh, and I admit that my previous comment was not as unbiased or sensible as I would have liked, but there we are. I believe what I said, and know for a fact that I wish to harm no one and keep myself to myself, as do the many people I know at Orpo!

RedRevolver wrote:
Right, I think it's time for a sensible, moderate and informed individual actually says something to try and dilute the thoughtless amount of trash that's being banded about in light of what happened.

Firstly, the college is not being rebuilt, it's being extended. The facilities will be better, and it is hoped that it'll attract more able students (not that there aren't plenty of hard-working and capable students studying there!). This is also due to the fact that student recruitment is declining.

Second of all, it's an FE college. It's for students who, for whatever reason, haven't flourished or been able to perform well at school. Alternatively, it is there to further educate adults. I am a white (I put that in to deter probably racism which flows from the scummy mouths of Orpington residents!) middle class (again...) girl, who is relatively bright. I went to Cator Park School (where there was ironically another riot at New Beckenham train station a few years back, but I digress) where I was not supported, despite being mentally unwell. It took me three years to recover from (not just problems from Cator park, I admit) the experience and last year, at 16, I tentatively took my five GCSEs and gained 3 As at AS Level. I am a success story of the bloody brilliant teaching, the lovely atmosphere and the good people that go there.

Thirdly, Orpington is clearly a racist area and the scum many refer to is the large multi-cultural community within the college. I dislike the mindless residents who do not say thank you, who make silly and stupid comments and many of whom do not seem to have jobs.

Fourthly! Where else are these pieces of 'scum' going to go if they are not in education? It is better they are doing something constructive than being out on the streets and exacerbating any delinquency (which btw doesn't just happen at Orpington, I think the way Olaves and Newstead Woods kids behave is quite vulgar and unnecessary!) Do you think they should be locked away forever and ever? Or, how about this! We just shoot everyone whose skin colour, beliefs, culture and differences you dislike, fear or disagree with and then everything we'll be fine.

There are appropriate checks on place on 'knife crime' at the college e.g. spot checks whilst coming into college, allocation of lockers and random inspections to find drugs and knives.

Oh, and on the subject of the actual riot - one police officer got punched, he was wearing glasses and his eye was cut when his glasses broke. He was stitched up on the scene. However, one boy who I knew who was actually quite a conscientious and intelligent individual who was arrested by police during the incident was arrested purely for telling a police officer he thought the reaction to the one person who blew up was a little out of hand and unnecessary. The amount of verbal and racist abuse going on is disgusting.

So, to summarise - Orpington is full of scum, so I can't see how Orpington can attract it. Further, I love going to Orpo and hope many, many more people get to attend and enjoy the wonderful teaching that I have received.

Everything you say sums it up perfectly! If you hate Orpington so much, simple answer don't go there! Orpington college is not for people who didn't flourish at school at all, i know several people who used to go there who started degrees there! Unfortunately it would seem the majority of students travelling in like yourself are of lesser intelligence, there probably are a few racists knocking around the area but i think you'll find an awful many more in Catford etc! The people who have commented on here are not mindless racists, they are in fact local residents fed up of the trouble from the college on a daily basis. The race card is to easily thrown around in defence of people in the wrong and it's boring and counter productive! As Orpington is full of jobless racists with nothing better to do i would suggest the current crop of students find a college where the local residents and Police are more to their liking, Somalia or Beirut may be the best bet!!!!!!!!!