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BNP threatens to boycott News Shopper's advertisers
12:40pm Monday 12th October 2009 in
THE BNP is calling on its supporters to threaten to boycott businesses which advertise in News Shopper.
Following an article we ran about Paul Golding, a BNP councillor in Swanley St Mary’s, supporters of the party have contacted three of our advertisers saying they would have no further dealings with them if they continued to use your favourite paper to promote their businesses.
The article concerned quoted several residents and councillors saying Councillor Golding had “done nothing” for the community he was elected to represent.
Despite repeated attempts to contact Cllr Golding for him to have his say, he never returned our calls.
Yet shortly after the piece went on our website, a comment appeared from a Cllr Paul Golding calling the article “bilge” and suggesting he was always available for a comment.
As part of the BNP’s Operation Fightback, an email was sent to BNP supporters claiming to be from party leader Nick Griffin, called Time to Fight Back Against News Shopper Lies!
The message said News Shopper was “a particularly venomous anti-British left-wing propaganda outlet” which had “spewed lies for years”.
It then singled out three companies which advertise with us — Wise Bedding in Broadway, Bexleyheath; double glazing suppliers Camelot, based in Maidstone Road, Sidcup, and Wellingtons Electrical, of Bexley Road, Erith, and Westmoreland Road, Bromley.
When News Shopper called Cllr Golding about this, this time he answered his phone and admitted he had created the message.
He said: “I am not speaking to the News Shopper as we think you are a bunch of lying scumbags.
“You are poisoning the minds of south-east London and north Kent with a lot of Labour-created nonsense.
“You’re a vilifying left-wing gutter newspaper.”
When asked whether urging people to boycott businesses during a recession would be bad for the local economy, Cllr Golding said it was “absolute nonsense”.
"Vengeful hate campaign"
WE CONTACTED the three companies targeted by the BNP.
They had each been inundated with calls and emails from the party’s supporters.
Derek Mountney, managing director of Camelot, says hurting News Shopper would hurt local businesses.
He said: “I think it’s bad if they have an issue with the News Shopper and pick on certain companies in the paper to try and stop them advertising.
“If the BNP does not agree with what was in the paper their issue should be with News Shopper and not with innocent companies which advertise in the paper at a difficult time in all industries.”
The two other businesses declined to comment.
In his comment on our “smear article”, Cllr Golding called Councillor John Underwood (pictured below), who was quoted in the story, a “cretin”.
Cllr Underwood, a Labour councillor for the same ward as Cllr Golding, said: “I have been called worse. He's saying I’m a cretin because I have criticised him.
“It emphasises what sort of person he is.
"As BNP, that's the sort of people we are dealing with.”
Councillor Philip Roy McGarvey, a Lib Dem councillor for Farningham, Horton Kirby and South Darenth, said: “My personal reaction is it is despicable.
“This campaign is purely vengeful and I’m sure people would not take it seriously.
“If the only thing he says is this kind of vengeful attack on your paper and retailers, that speaks volumes for the man.
“If I was to launch a hate campaign against any company which upset me I would look very foolish.
“If he's going to enter politics he needs to take the rough with the smooth and he has not learnt to take the knocks yet.”
"Shades of Nazi Germany"
GERRY Gable, the publisher of anti-fascist magazine Searchlight, says the BNP’s “bullying tactics” had “shades of Nazi Germany”.
He said: “The BNP is very good at organising people to email local newspapers in protest, but those who do email are largely not from the area.
“This is typical of far right extremist organisations.
"The first thing they want to do is silence the media.”
The BNP says the party used a similar method of “fighting back” against the Manchester Evening News (MEN), which it said “worked wonders”.
The MEN told News Shopper it ran a series of articles about the BNP during the recent European elections, but the party’s campaign of calling on supporters to boycott the paper’s advertisers did not have any effect.
Comments(231)
Susie:o)
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1:11pm Mon 12 Oct 09
Erastus
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1:12pm Mon 12 Oct 09
It's Me again !
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1:21pm Mon 12 Oct 09
I spit on them and all they stand for
SCUMBAGS
Erastus
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1:22pm Mon 12 Oct 09
Nick Griffin must squirm at every word that comes out of Golding's mouth. Well, at least I hope he does.
Erastus
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1:30pm Mon 12 Oct 09
Then Golding admits to writing the email, though I somehow doubt he could manage even that. Who's the liar now, Golding?
Oh what a tangled web we weave when first we practice to deceive.
little boots
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1:34pm Mon 12 Oct 09
Surrey Borders
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1:38pm Mon 12 Oct 09
Same as all the other anti bnp threads, multiple anti bnp postings all within minutes of each other!! ha ha
little boots
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1:40pm Mon 12 Oct 09
Susie:o)
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1:48pm Mon 12 Oct 09
little boots
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1:53pm Mon 12 Oct 09
Sayso
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1:53pm Mon 12 Oct 09
little boots wrote:He has no point, certainly nothing valid or legible. Just like he hasn't had any valid or legible point to make under any of his other various names, haddah, nosher, shadow etc.
Surrey Borders, sorry - not quite catching what your point is?
Another fantastic article which again exposes the web of lies and hypocrisy surrounding the BNP.
If I was the owner of one of these local businesses being despicably targeted I would actually be glad that none of the Barmy Nutjob Pariahs were going to be darkening my door anymore. Some people's money is better than others.
Erastus
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1:56pm Mon 12 Oct 09
Surrey Borders wrote:My aplogies, I quoted the wrong text last time. I don't mind apologising, unlike some people.
Yawn!! Same as all the other anti bnp threads, multiple anti bnp postings all within minutes of each other!! ha ha
Just the same as all the BNP supporters' previous comments.
I am trying to imagine how the BNP stormtroopers, who have implicitly obeyed their orders to defend Golding, must be feeling.
My apologies, I quoted the wrong text a couple of comments back. I don't mind apologising when I am wrong, unlike some people.
Words like stupid, foolish, embarrassed and cheated come to mind. Oh, and not to forget defeated.
I would be interested to know if the police should make enquiries into the intimidation of local businesses. News Shopper, is what they have done illegal?
Erastus
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2:03pm Mon 12 Oct 09
Sayso wrote:I agree. Who would want BNP as customers? I would rather shut up shop than serve them. One would think that intimidation is illegal - if it's not, it SHOULD be..
little boots wrote: Surrey Borders, sorry - not quite catching what your point is?He has no point, certainly nothing valid or legible. Just like he hasn't had any valid or legible point to make under any of his other various names, haddah, nosher, shadow etc. Another fantastic article which again exposes the web of lies and hypocrisy surrounding the BNP. If I was the owner of one of these local businesses being despicably targeted I would actually be glad that none of the Barmy Nutjob Pariahs were going to be darkening my door anymore. Some people's money is better than others.
Susie:o)
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2:05pm Mon 12 Oct 09
Erastus
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2:09pm Mon 12 Oct 09
Susie:o)
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2:12pm Mon 12 Oct 09
Erastus wrote:Thats would be the logical reason!
Perhaps the two companies that declined to comment refused to do so because the messages from BNP supporters were not very 'polite'?
Local lady
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2:30pm Mon 12 Oct 09
Newsshopper, local people appreciate you and as someone who has advertised with you in the past I would do so again at any time.
Local lady
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2:45pm Mon 12 Oct 09
Susie:o) wrote:Perhaps we should all ring the bnp and tell them we don't require their services and wont be buying a membership?
Well said!! Surley it must be somewhat illegal to ring someone and give no valid reason to not use their services although im sure ASBOS would be all they can do which wouldn't really bother this lot as they prob have more than one already!! Now we should or sit tight and wait for the onslaught from the rest of imbecile’s or as sayso suggests give them a chance to change their names ha
Shadow 99
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2:45pm Mon 12 Oct 09
little boots
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2:49pm Mon 12 Oct 09
Dartbored
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2:49pm Mon 12 Oct 09
As mentioned on the original thread, I watched 'BNP wives' on Sky TV last night and haven't laughed so much in ages. Paranoid, delusional, aggressive and exceptionally stupid, those that agreed to be filmed gave us a wonderful insight into the moronic world they inhabit.
Right then, let's sit back and wait for the comments to start rolling in from across the UK......(remember chaps - turn your spell-check ON this time)
little boots
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2:53pm Mon 12 Oct 09
Local lady
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2:55pm Mon 12 Oct 09
Surrey Borders wrote:We post because we are local and read our newspaper for news of the area we care about. We have no need to go searching the internet to cause trouble.
Yawn!! Same as all the other anti bnp threads, multiple anti bnp postings all within minutes of each other!! ha ha
Susie:o)
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3:00pm Mon 12 Oct 09
Local lady wrote:Well said Local Lady.
Surrey Borders wrote: Yawn!! Same as all the other anti bnp threads, multiple anti bnp postings all within minutes of each other!! ha haWe post because we are local and read our newspaper for news of the area we care about. We have no need to go searching the internet to cause trouble.
And Dartboard I to have watched that show but had to turn it over because it was making me cringe so much :D
Sayso
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3:01pm Mon 12 Oct 09
Shadow 99 wrote:Shadow, hadddah, nosher, surrey ... thank-you so much! I couldn't ask for a better example of BNP hyopcrisy than you. You talk about multiple posts from anti-BNP people but the vast majority of this newspaper's vast readership are going to be disgusted by the BNP so the fact a few individuals are on the site at the same time is neither here nor there, and proves nothing. Yet there you are ... the person who is most obviously writng under numerous aliases, going by your extraordinarily bad writing style and terrible grasp of basic English ... and you're accusing others of doing it. Comedy gold.
well said surrey borders! of course posting mutiple anti bnp posts gives the impression there are lots of disgruntled new shopper anti bnp'ers all at their computers at the same time, bit like one of those old "only fools and horses' clips where del boy is trying to flog all his old junk in the market to a gathering eager crowd all whipped up by del's to good to be true knockdown prices, and then del's "stooges" at a given signal all rush forward to purchase the dodgy goods hoping to persuade some shoppers in the crowd to also part with their cash! 2/10 for trying,but like all old comedy shows, it's dated! and fools no one in the real! plonker!
little boots
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4:18pm Mon 12 Oct 09
Dartbored
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4:32pm Mon 12 Oct 09
little boots wrote:I believe Shadow 99 is frantically reading the online version of "How to use capital letters and full stops when constructing a sentence" - there's a direct link from the BNP website.
Sayso, seems as if Shadow 99 and Borders are easily stumped...go figure!
little boots
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4:37pm Mon 12 Oct 09
Maybe we should start a political party for those who can spell and understand basic grammar. Erastus, what say you?
Erastus
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4:49pm Mon 12 Oct 09
I actually find it quite easy to apologise if I am in the wrong. Some people don't seem to have the knack.
little boots
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4:51pm Mon 12 Oct 09
Disappointed with the lack of differing opinions from any BNP supporters. This would lead me to believe that they don't really have as many as they'd like to think. Hoorah!
Erastus
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4:58pm Mon 12 Oct 09
Yeah, right. Excuse me but I think I am going to have to laugh out loud ...
cockles & mussels
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5:12pm Mon 12 Oct 09
little boots
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5:19pm Mon 12 Oct 09
Dartbored
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5:28pm Mon 12 Oct 09
cockles & mussels wrote:Ahh, cockles & mussels - we haven't seen that pseudonym for a few days.
Can I just say that the BNP had a table-top sale in Hove on saturday, and all I saw were people giving them the thumbs up and cars tooting their horns ... perhaps if the BNP did not have any support they would not be getting representatives elected up and down the country ... so they must be doing something right ? why is this ? there must be someone on here who could answer this .......
If I may direct members of the jury to exhibit a) The writing style of Shadow 99 and b) The writing style of cockles & mussels.
Notice the lack of capital letters and the distinct lack of full stops?
I put it to you, members of the jury, that they are, in fact, the same person!
Ok, it's hardly CSI New York, but you get the idea.
Nice post though Shadowcockles99, a real thought provoker.....yawn...
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Erastus
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5:35pm Mon 12 Oct 09
Dartbored wrote:I don't think the jury will be out for long. Guilty as charged!
cockles & mussels wrote: Can I just say that the BNP had a table-top sale in Hove on saturday, and all I saw were people giving them the thumbs up and cars tooting their horns ... perhaps if the BNP did not have any support they would not be getting representatives elected up and down the country ... so they must be doing something right ? why is this ? there must be someone on here who could answer this .......Ahh, cockles & mussels - we haven't seen that pseudonym for a few days. If I may direct members of the jury to exhibit a) The writing style of Shadow 99 and b) The writing style of cockles & mussels. Notice the lack of capital letters and the distinct lack of full stops? I put it to you, members of the jury, that they are, in fact, the same person! Ok, it's hardly CSI New York, but you get the idea. Nice post though Shadowcockles99, a real thought provoker.....yawn... ..
Erastus
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5:48pm Mon 12 Oct 09
How stupid you must feel to have shot yourself and your party in the foot. I bet you are seething with rage aren't you? To think that you - sorry, I mean your supporter - has shown himself to be so ignorant of the proper use of English must drive you to destraction.
Did you really think you would get away with intimidating honest businesses with your disgusting, vile and repugnant threats?
Can you even start to imagine how your Nazi-like email has damaged your already tarnished reputation?
Don't give up the day job, if you ever had one in the first place. There is no room for the likes of you in British politics. Yes, the main parties have let us down over their expense fiddles but they were found out, just like you have been.
You have been proved to be a liar, a thug and a bully. Hardly the best credentials to induce decent people to vote for you, are they?
Erastus
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5:51pm Mon 12 Oct 09
cockles & mussels wrote:A 'table-top sale'? What was on offer, Nazi memorabilia, copies of Mein Kampf and CDs of Hitler's speeches?
Can I just say that the BNP had a table-top sale in Hove on saturday, and all I saw were people giving them the thumbs up and cars tooting their horns ... perhaps if the BNP did not have any support they would not be getting representatives elected up and down the country ... so they must be doing something right ? why is this ? there must be someone on here who could answer this .......
Sweepster
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6:00pm Mon 12 Oct 09
cockles & mussels wrote:Where in Hove was this?
Can I just say that the BNP had a table-top sale in Hove on saturday, and all I saw were people giving them the thumbs up and cars tooting their horns ... perhaps if the BNP did not have any support they would not be getting representatives elected up and down the country ... so they must be doing something right ? why is this ? there must be someone on here who could answer this .......
Erastus
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6:04pm Mon 12 Oct 09
No?
Distraction, not 'destraction'.
You see, Golding? It's so easy to apologise - so why don't you apologise for insulting Councillor Underwood and and News Shopper? While you are at it and getting the hang of apologising, you could apologise to the local businesses that you have threatened.
A simple 'sorry' will suffice.
Max Calò
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6:15pm Mon 12 Oct 09
Sounds like a good deal.
Erastus
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6:23pm Mon 12 Oct 09
Max Calò wrote:You're not wrong there, Max. Golding might have done everyone a favour; the local businesses because they will no longer be polluted by BNP customers and News Shopper for increased advertising sales.
Advertise your business here and you won't have delusional Nazis visiting you. Sounds like a good deal.
It has also benefited those who were perhaps considering voting BNP but now know better.
Everyone's a winner. Except BNP, of course.
Erastus
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6:27pm Mon 12 Oct 09
It takes a man to apologise. We're in for a long wait.
Erastus
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6:29pm Mon 12 Oct 09
How about you, Golding? How about trying the 's'word? You could then have a go at the 'r' word and resign.
Erastus
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6:33pm Mon 12 Oct 09
Local lady
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8:46pm Mon 12 Oct 09
All together now, 'there'll always be an England...'
cockles & mussels
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8:54pm Mon 12 Oct 09
clive2
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8:59pm Mon 12 Oct 09
Sayso
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9:15pm Mon 12 Oct 09
cockles & mussels wrote:I'd be interested to know exactly where in Hove this so-called sale was taking place. I don't believe anything you've had to say so far.
Can I just say that the BNP had a table-top sale in Hove on saturday, and all I saw were people giving them the thumbs up and cars tooting their horns ... perhaps if the BNP did not have any support they would not be getting representatives elected up and down the country ... so they must be doing something right ? why is this ? there must be someone on here who could answer this .......
As for why the BNP is claiming the odd council seat and making other insignificant political inroads around the country, it's because the party preys on people's ignorance, stupidity and fear.
It targets run-down pockets of the country where unemployment and crime are high, housing is poor, education standards are low and people feel let down by the system, ad so are easily manipulated and turned. It also targets areas where it knows a certain proprtion of people are going to be racist and therefore sympathetic to its cause.
Oh, while I think of it, what exactly has Worthing got to do with our lying, useless Swanley councillor?
Local lady
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9:33pm Mon 12 Oct 09
cockles & mussels wrote:Er, what country are you alluding to pray? They are most certainly not doing so well in England - in fact less so by the hour in the Swanley area.
Well, well, well, I go for a nice meal with my good lady wife and return to find not a single poster can state why the BNP are doing so well all over the country ... just the same boring insults to which us grown ups just laugh at ! still, Erastus ( poor thing bless her ! ) is still belly-aching about multiple names being posted ... yet, even on her own blog on News Shopper she fully admits to using 'other' names ! ... Oops another blunder - must be her age ! ... if she admits to using multiple names on her daft blog then it's pretty obvious why she blew a fuse today when 'Surrey Borders' brought up the subject ... perhaps she so used to talking to herself on her blog that she never dreampt anyone other than herself and her multiple names would take a peek at it ! touched a raw nerve did it ? now you carry on posting bile Erastus ... there's a good girl - and don't forget to turn off the lights when you've finished talking to yourself ! :)
I have a friend in Hove and she told me the only table top sale was the Brownies selling cookies.
Let's Agree To Differ
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10:09pm Mon 12 Oct 09
This so called 'non-story' just refuses to go away. I hope it does go national the wider public could learn a lot about this party from its behaviour here.
Erastus
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11:46pm Mon 12 Oct 09
cockles & mussels wrote:Cockles, I am glad you read my blog but I am sorry you did not leave a comment on it.
Well, well, well, I go for a nice meal with my good lady wife and return to find not a single poster can state why the BNP are doing so well all over the country ... just the same boring insults to which us grown ups just laugh at ! still, Erastus ( poor thing bless her ! ) is still belly-aching about multiple names being posted ... yet, even on her own blog on News Shopper she fully admits to using 'other' names ! ... Oops another blunder - must be her age ! ... if she admits to using multiple names on her daft blog then it's pretty obvious why she blew a fuse today when 'Surrey Borders' brought up the subject ... perhaps she so used to talking to herself on her blog that she never dreampt anyone other than herself and her multiple names would take a peek at it ! touched a raw nerve did it ? now you carry on posting bile Erastus ... there's a good girl - and don't forget to turn off the lights when you've finished talking to yourself ! :)
I will be writing a new blog tomorrow which will centre on The British Nazi Party. In it I will explain which political party I will be voting for in the next election and why.
I hope you will visit me on my own territory so we can thrash it out.
I challenge all BNP supporters - from all over the British Isles - to visit my blog tomorrow. I will post it in the afternoon -around 5 o'clock - so you have plenty of time to rally together like the bullies you are.
As yet, the BNP have refrained from leaving comments on my last blog; perhaps the reason for this is because it deals with the Holocaust.
See you there.
Erastus
It's Me again !
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12:12am Tue 13 Oct 09
cockles & mussels thinks you are female
Yankees
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5:45am Tue 13 Oct 09
"They will not let the truth get in the way off a good story"
In this country, we can't trust politician or the media, you are all getting your knickers in a twist about a councillor in Swanley (Who was at least voted in by the local people) at least they know who there councillor is, I live in Abbey Wood and I've not meet or even seen seen my local MP or Councillor but I've seen community decline over the years.
Taking in consideration where most off you lot seem to come from, he's not even your local Councillor but you all got opinions on him.
The one right we still got, is who we vote for but I think some off you lots object to people even having that right - people want to vote for the BNP that there right and I've for one would not take that way.
I voted for the conservative party and will do in the next election but who ever gets in will not be able turn this country around, we all going to pay a heavy price.
bexleyman
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6:35am Tue 13 Oct 09
Yankees wrote:I'll leave Erastus to analyse the grammar, it's too depressing to think about.
The News Shopper is no different to other media in this country
"They will not let the truth get in the way off a good story"
In this country, we can't trust politician or the media, you are all getting your knickers in a twist about a councillor in Swanley (Who was at least voted in by the local people) at least they know who there councillor is, I live in Abbey Wood and I've not meet or even seen seen my local MP or Councillor but I've seen community decline over the years.
Taking in consideration where most off you lot seem to come from, he's not even your local Councillor but you all got opinions on him.
The one right we still got, is who we vote for but I think some off you lots object to people even having that right - people want to vote for the BNP that there right and I've for one would not take that way.
I voted for the conservative party and will do in the next election but who ever gets in will not be able turn this country around, we all going to pay a heavy price.
I've no qualms with letting people vote for whichever political party they want, it is a birthright and I'm sure that's something all News Shopper voters will universally agree on.
However can you really judge the BNP to be a "POLITICAL party?"
I for one would certainly not describe this organisation as political, not strictly anyway. More a unified network of racist thugs who manage to dupe the stupid into thinking they are actually political.
Vote for who you want, well as long as it's not Tory!
In seriousness, anyone can vote for who they want, but I simply cannot agree to letting people vote for this racist institution that spouts bile propaganda rather than election manifesto. There is no place for the BNP in our politics! We do not want people voting for a non-political party on non-political issues.
Sayso
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10:19am Tue 13 Oct 09
And like various other people on the other thread such as L Hammond, northbynorth etc, you are still incapable of reading properly. If you read Bexleyman's comments correctly you'll see he's not actually advocating harassment of businesses, merely pointing out how ironic it would be if people turned the tables on the BNP and used the same cowardly bully-boy tactics which they openly promote.
By the way, I answered your pitiful question about why the BNP are doing "so well" (LOL) around the country, but you haven't responded. I assume it's because you can't.
cockles & mussels
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11:06am Tue 13 Oct 09
Erastus
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11:15am Tue 13 Oct 09
Cockles, to put your poor, worried little mind at ease, I have on two occasions written comments under different names for a very good reason. There have been occasions when serious points needed to be put across but unfortunately the Erastus-baiters, such as your not very good self, would immediately write complete rubbish on seeing my name, no matter what I had written. Discussions and debates were ruined by these trolls so Erastus had to take a backseat for a while because it was not fair on the other contributors.
I hope you can understand what I have just written.
Please feel free to leave comments on my new blog and invite your 'friends' along too.
Erastus
Sayso
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11:25am Tue 13 Oct 09
Secondly Bexleyman wasn't encouraging harassment in any way, shape or form. He was merely making the point that if the BNP can get away with doing it then presumably anyone can.
Finally, if you think I am Erastus then you are even more deluded than I first thought when it became obvious you are the ONLY BNP supporter on this page.
Do you have more of your gibberish to share with the class?
cockles & mussels
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12:08pm Tue 13 Oct 09
Secondly Sayso (aka erastus!)... hahaha nice chatty name you made up there - sayso ? everything you say is muddled up and saysoo confused, I mean ... let's be honest, you might be good at spotting spelling mistakes - but what else you got going for you ? you're so pathetic and weak you are a total embarrasment to humanity for blindly supporting Bexleyman's encouragement of hurling abuse down the telephone at people - yet you accuse other people of doing this when you have no proof whastsoever! just in your confused and addled mind ... now run along ... your carer should be with you soon to adminstrate your daily medication and take you to the bathroom as you've clearly messed up again! lol Now i'm off - but you stay posting bile in your hundred different names ... and breathing down the telephone whilst real people go out and enjoy life ! he he
Erastus
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12:14pm Tue 13 Oct 09
Don't feed the troll everyone.
Sayso
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12:25pm Tue 13 Oct 09
As for what the BNP has openly been doing, from the article above which Cockles isn't able to read:
"WE CONTACTED the three companies targeted by the BNP.
They had each been inundated with calls and emails from the party’s supporters."
Simon Bull
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1:13pm Tue 13 Oct 09
It appears a small group of BNP supporters, possibly just one person, has hijacked the threads by registering to post comments on this site using multiple aliases. They have then been agreeing with everything their various personalities have written, or attempting to disrupt the discussion between people who actually have something genuine to say.
This person, or people, has been registering multiple accounts using email addresses provided by a dubious service which generates random email addresses that expire after 10 minutes.
We are looking into this but in the meantime I would urge people to show caution when reading SOME of the comments being posted.
I can also confirm sayso, Erastus, Local lady and several others who have been accused of being the same person are in fact different people.
bob kelly
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1:14pm Tue 13 Oct 09
NastyMrTom
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1:19pm Tue 13 Oct 09
Scoffer et all ... you've been well and truly rumbled. Every pathetic word and accusation you've made is hanging from that eggy face .... oh my sides.
Getting back to this story , the first of many similar stories I predict , seems quite simple doesn't it. You're accused of doing nothing so rather than bleat about Marxists , the left wing and all the usual crud .... just tell us what you've done ?!?
NastyMrTom
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1:20pm Tue 13 Oct 09
bob kelly wrote:
C & M ran rings around you two!!! he tore you both a new one!!! snigger!!!
and here he is again .... give it up idiot
Richard Simcox
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1:20pm Tue 13 Oct 09
Keep up the good work.
Erastus
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1:33pm Tue 13 Oct 09
City
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1:36pm Tue 13 Oct 09
City
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1:42pm Tue 13 Oct 09
Well done!
Susie:o)
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1:45pm Tue 13 Oct 09
Simon Bull wrote:And were the sad ones for actually having something to say!! Maybe these people should take their own advice and get a life instead of standing up for something they clearly have no idea about!!
It's come to our attention that there has been some suspicious activity among the comment posters on this thread and the other thread on our previous BNP story. It appears a small group of BNP supporters, possibly just one person, has hijacked the threads by registering to post comments on this site using multiple aliases. They have then been agreeing with everything their various personalities have written, or attempting to disrupt the discussion between people who actually have something genuine to say. This person, or people, has been registering multiple accounts using email addresses provided by a dubious service which generates random email addresses that expire after 10 minutes. We are looking into this but in the meantime I would urge people to show caution when reading SOME of the comments being posted. I can also confirm sayso, Erastus, Local lady and several others who have been accused of being the same person are in fact different people.
Orp Boy
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1:46pm Tue 13 Oct 09
Booty
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1:47pm Tue 13 Oct 09
Dartbored
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1:59pm Tue 13 Oct 09
A) Get Cllr Golding off the hook?
B) Convert readers to their "cause"?
Prior to this whole story breaking, my knowledge of the BNP was slim, at best.
However, since this all started a couple of weeks back I've been exposed to a whole new world and now fully appreciate them for what they are - vile, illiterate, abusive, moronic, bullying scumbags.
Thank you Newsshopper for letting them dig their own grave. Now let them lie in it (in both senses of the word....)
Erastus
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2:06pm Tue 13 Oct 09
What on earth was Golding thinking when he sent that vicious email to his stormtroopers? It's a shame only one stormtrooper turned up!
Orp Boy
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2:06pm Tue 13 Oct 09
Erastus
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2:10pm Tue 13 Oct 09
Orp Boy wrote:Where are the 'lol's? Don't feed the troll.
I love the fact that you think they have dug their own grave, they have their supporters who will stand by them , dont think an article in the newsshopper will change supporters views on them.
Booty
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2:10pm Tue 13 Oct 09
Orp Boy
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2:11pm Tue 13 Oct 09
"Taking on News Shopper and its readers is possibly the worst move the BNP could have made."
Ha Ha are you joking, Quality, I assume you work for the news Shopper. I can see it on the national news tonight 'BNP finished after attack on News Shopper'. Dont be so stupid. Cant believe you think anyone that supports them has changed their mind over this.
Erastus
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2:16pm Tue 13 Oct 09
little boots
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2:17pm Tue 13 Oct 09
Booty wrote:Haha - well observed. Hit the nail on the head there.
Orp Boy - is it a coincidence what your name reads when spelt backwards?
Booty
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2:19pm Tue 13 Oct 09
Dartbored
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2:20pm Tue 13 Oct 09
Orp Boy wrote:Out of the handful that can read, I suspect not.
Erastus..
"Taking on News Shopper and its readers is possibly the worst move the BNP could have made."
Ha Ha are you joking, Quality, I assume you work for the news Shopper. I can see it on the national news tonight 'BNP finished after attack on News Shopper'. Dont be so stupid. Cant believe you think anyone that supports them has changed their mind over this.
What it has done, however, is turn many of us (myself included) into ardent anti-BNP'ers.
So for that, you've all done a great job. Well done.
Orp Boy
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2:23pm Tue 13 Oct 09
little boots
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2:26pm Tue 13 Oct 09
Orp Boy wrote:I wasn't aware that yobs weren't allowed to work? Well done on having a job, doesn't mean a thing though.
Booty , Erastus, people like yourselves shouldnt always think that BNP supporters are yobs who sit at home all day, I have a very high profile job and have lots of BNP supporter friends who are also very high up in their jobs in the city. If it makes you feel better thinking your talking to a yob sitting at home on his nicked computer then thats up to you. Dont think your commnets are worth any more cause you support the green party or something
NastyMrTom
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2:27pm Tue 13 Oct 09
Orp Boy wrote:
I love the fact that you think they have dug their own grave, they have their supporters who will stand by them , dont think an article in the newsshopper will change supporters views on them.
So it's lie through your teeth to get elected , do nothing when you're there and then rely on your supporters being too stupid to see the truth for themselves .... can't fail !!
Booty
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2:30pm Tue 13 Oct 09
NastyMrTom
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2:31pm Tue 13 Oct 09
Orp Boy wrote:No , thy're people like these ...
Booty , Erastus, people like yourselves shouldnt always think that BNP supporters are yobs who sit at home all day, I have a very high profile job and have lots of BNP supporter friends who are also very high up in their jobs in the city. If it makes you feel better thinking your talking to a yob sitting at home on his nicked computer then thats up to you. Dont think your commnets are worth any more cause you support the green party or something
http://www.newsofthe
world.co.uk/news/819
40/Two-abused-14-yea
r-olds-after-getting
-them-drunk.html
Orp Boy
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2:39pm Tue 13 Oct 09
The more you lot think you know what im like the more narrow minded you are about BNP supporters, How many police, teachers, judges , bank managers do you think vote BNP. Do be so nieve to think they are all yobs.
little boots
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2:40pm Tue 13 Oct 09
Booty
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2:45pm Tue 13 Oct 09
Please tell me then, how many of your fellow supporters are teachers and work as bank managers? and, so what?
Orp Boy
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2:45pm Tue 13 Oct 09
Susie:o)
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2:45pm Tue 13 Oct 09
little boots
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2:49pm Tue 13 Oct 09
Orp Boy wrote:Same to you my dear, same to you. Nothing wrong with getting the basics right, as I am sure you will agree.
Little boots, what ever makes you feel bigger, Congratulations on a great post
Orp Boy
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2:52pm Tue 13 Oct 09
Or maybe i could do what some others have done and create a new account
little boots
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2:52pm Tue 13 Oct 09
little boots wrote:PS - 'what ever' should be one word.
Orp Boy wrote: Little boots, what ever makes you feel bigger, Congratulations on a great postSame to you my dear, same to you. Nothing wrong with getting the basics right, as I am sure you will agree.
Excalibur
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2:54pm Tue 13 Oct 09
Booty
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2:56pm Tue 13 Oct 09
Orp Boy wrote:I don't think that's exclusively how you are being judged if the truth be told Orpy.
So is that how we judge people on here by their posting name, If it is i could give you some other examples of peoples names on here that might not be what they are but may have another reasoning behind it. Or maybe i could do what some others have done and create a new account
Orp Boy
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2:58pm Tue 13 Oct 09
Booty
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3:02pm Tue 13 Oct 09
Orp Boy wrote:Absolutely Orpy, there is nothing more unfair than picking on others over issues they have little control of - pronunciation...appe
Little boots i quite agree that i should be getting the basics right , i dont see how pointing it out in a post though makes your post a worthwhile one. If thats the only commnet you can add then its shows the person im talking to. I bet you correct peoples pronunciation when they talk to you
arance..and so on. right?
little boots
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3:02pm Tue 13 Oct 09
Orp Boy wrote:I think it makes it a very worthwhile one. People feel that this country has gone down hill, with a decline in morals, courtesy and a decent hard working nature, not to mention the level of education which has allegedly declined.
Little boots i quite agree that i should be getting the basics right , i dont see how pointing it out in a post though makes your post a worthwhile one. If thats the only commnet you can add then its shows the person im talking to. I bet you correct peoples pronunciation when they talk to you
There's really nothing wrong with paying attention to detail and starting with those details. Being conscientous, caring about the little hings. It all starts somewhere. We obviously disagree on this matter.
little boots
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3:04pm Tue 13 Oct 09
Orp Boy
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3:09pm Tue 13 Oct 09
Just because you feel it nessasary to pick out others spelling mistakes doesnt mean someone is going to do it to you,
Booty
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3:11pm Tue 13 Oct 09
Dartbored
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3:13pm Tue 13 Oct 09
Orp Boy wrote:I've just realised - Orp Boy is none other than Shadow 99!
Booty, We have lovely evenings putting the world to rights over a few glasses of wine, would be a pleasure to have you along, Not thursdays though thats when we burn cars and rob houses.
The more you lot think you know what im like the more narrow minded you are about BNP supporters, How many police, teachers, judges , bank managers do you think vote BNP. Do be so nieve to think they are all yobs.
If you recall, Shadow had a wonderful knack of not using capital letters and this was, of course, politely pointed out to him.
In an effort to distance himself from this childish error, Shadow has created yet another character and this time, he's using capitals. Ha ha - a cunning plan I hear you cry!
Unfortunately, he's using them after comma's, so it's still wrong.
Come on Shadow/Orp Boy - it really isn't difficult.
Now spell C-A-T
Susie:o)
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3:13pm Tue 13 Oct 09
Orp Boy
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3:18pm Tue 13 Oct 09
Dartbored wrote:As its been pointed out my name Orp Boy isnt the best name, so do you think if I created this account today i would have used this name, anyway im sure your good friend Mr Bull can confirm this account was not created today. Love how you lot all comment on my grammer but not each others when they do someting wrong.
Orp Boy wrote: Booty, We have lovely evenings putting the world to rights over a few glasses of wine, would be a pleasure to have you along, Not thursdays though thats when we burn cars and rob houses. The more you lot think you know what im like the more narrow minded you are about BNP supporters, How many police, teachers, judges , bank managers do you think vote BNP. Do be so nieve to think they are all yobs.I've just realised - Orp Boy is none other than Shadow 99! If you recall, Shadow had a wonderful knack of not using capital letters and this was, of course, politely pointed out to him. In an effort to distance himself from this childish error, Shadow has created yet another character and this time, he's using capitals. Ha ha - a cunning plan I hear you cry! Unfortunately, he's using them after comma's, so it's still wrong. Come on Shadow/Orp Boy - it really isn't difficult. Now spell C-A-T
Booty
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3:24pm Tue 13 Oct 09
Orp Boy wrote:So what would you choose as a name if you did just create this account today?
Dartbored wrote:As its been pointed out my name Orp Boy isnt the best name, so do you think if I created this account today i would have used this name, anyway im sure your good friend Mr Bull can confirm this account was not created today. Love how you lot all comment on my grammer but not each others when they do someting wrong.Orp Boy wrote: Booty, We have lovely evenings putting the world to rights over a few glasses of wine, would be a pleasure to have you along, Not thursdays though thats when we burn cars and rob houses. The more you lot think you know what im like the more narrow minded you are about BNP supporters, How many police, teachers, judges , bank managers do you think vote BNP. Do be so nieve to think they are all yobs.I've just realised - Orp Boy is none other than Shadow 99! If you recall, Shadow had a wonderful knack of not using capital letters and this was, of course, politely pointed out to him. In an effort to distance himself from this childish error, Shadow has created yet another character and this time, he's using capitals. Ha ha - a cunning plan I hear you cry! Unfortunately, he's using them after comma's, so it's still wrong. Come on Shadow/Orp Boy - it really isn't difficult. Now spell C-A-T
Orp Boy
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3:26pm Tue 13 Oct 09
Susie:o)
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3:31pm Tue 13 Oct 09
Orp Boy
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3:39pm Tue 13 Oct 09
NastyMrTom
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3:55pm Tue 13 Oct 09
You can't tell anything from a name so take everything you read on face value and respond accordingly ...
... Orp Boy if you think news stories such as this won't harm your support , why have the BNP organised themselves to attack the paper ?
Orp Boy
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4:23pm Tue 13 Oct 09
A small local paper runs a pointless story on some residents not happy with the elected person and it makes the paper. I can find thousands of people not happy with other partys.
When you vote for a party do you look for a party that you agree with everything they do? Maybe you vote for a party just to try and stop another party getting in , I vote for the party i do becuase i want change, I dont need to agree with 100% of their policys or agree with everything they do.
Dartbored
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4:26pm Tue 13 Oct 09
NastyMrTom wrote:Fair enough MrTom - but you have to remember that we've had weeks of abuse from BNP supporters and it's understandable that we're getting somewhat irked by people trying to make comments who we believe to have multiple aliases. But in the case of Orp Boy, his last couple of comments make me think he's one of the few trying to get his point across reasonably well, so I'm happy to give him a break.
For chissakes give 'Orp Boy' a break. He may not share your views but he does at least try and argue his point rather than descending into childishness and baiting.
You can't tell anything from a name so take everything you read on face value and respond accordingly ...
... Orp Boy if you think news stories such as this won't harm your support , why have the BNP organised themselves to attack the paper ?
For the time being at least ;o)
Simon Bull
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4:52pm Tue 13 Oct 09
Orp Boy wrote:Hello Orp Boy. I don't want to get into it too much with you over your support for the BNP although I would suggest its idea of 'change' is totally unpalatable to the vast majority of people.
How Paul handles it is down to him, it wont change my views. A small local paper runs a pointless story on some residents not happy with the elected person and it makes the paper. I can find thousands of people not happy with other partys. When you vote for a party do you look for a party that you agree with everything they do? Maybe you vote for a party just to try and stop another party getting in , I vote for the party i do becuase i want change, I dont need to agree with 100% of their policys or agree with everything they do.
One slight point I would take issue with though is your reference to News Shopper as a small local paper. We're far from small. News Shopper covers a large area of south London and north Kent and is read by hundreds of thousands of people each week, in addition to our website getting more than 40,000 visitors every week.
You can under-estimate us if you want but I'm sure there are many people following our coverage and watching every calamitous BNP move with interest.
NastyMrTom
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5:36pm Tue 13 Oct 09
Orp Boy wrote:
How Paul handles it is down to him, it wont change my views. A small local paper runs a pointless story on some residents not happy with the elected person and it makes the paper. I can find thousands of people not happy with other partys. When you vote for a party do you look for a party that you agree with everything they do? Maybe you vote for a party just to try and stop another party getting in , I vote for the party i do becuase i want change, I dont need to agree with 100% of their policys or agree with everything they do.
Well no. How Paul handles it reflects directly on the party and is an indicator of what we are to expect from similar new councillors.
The BNP are pushing hard to be a legitimate and respected party mainly on the back of the new swell of support in recent months. This new support should be treated with some respect surely ?
I can't think of a much better forum to raise issues with a local councillor than the local paper. Let's not attack the validity of a service that you're currently using to muddy the waters of what would seem a very simple accusation.
I'd have to have some understanding of your views to relate them to the average voting decision. What I would say though is that the BNP represent a very extreme opinion. That's not something that most voters could gloss over despite the BNP's best attempts to down play their views (telling in itself) no matter what change this may instigate. Racism is not acceptable to the majority and this in itself is enough to merit the close scrutiny of it's new elected representatives
NastyMrTom
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5:45pm Tue 13 Oct 09
Simon Bull wrote:Simon,
Orp Boy wrote: How Paul handles it is down to him, it wont change my views. A small local paper runs a pointless story on some residents not happy with the elected person and it makes the paper. I can find thousands of people not happy with other partys. When you vote for a party do you look for a party that you agree with everything they do? Maybe you vote for a party just to try and stop another party getting in , I vote for the party i do becuase i want change, I dont need to agree with 100% of their policys or agree with everything they do.Hello Orp Boy. I don't want to get into it too much with you over your support for the BNP although I would suggest its idea of 'change' is totally unpalatable to the vast majority of people. One slight point I would take issue with though is your reference to News Shopper as a small local paper. We're far from small. News Shopper covers a large area of south London and north Kent and is read by hundreds of thousands of people each week, in addition to our website getting more than 40,000 visitors every week. You can under-estimate us if you want but I'm sure there are many people following our coverage and watching every calamitous BNP move with interest.
I'm a regular contributor to the Croydon Guardian and this is the first time I've ever seen a web host divulge information on contributors and indeed express a political opinion.
I think it's great personally but I'm also quite surprised. Are your views representative of the paper and what rules exactly are broken by posting in multiple ids ?
Thanks
N.M.T
NastyMrTom
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5:56pm Tue 13 Oct 09
Dartbored wrote:
NastyMrTom wrote: For chissakes give 'Orp Boy' a break. He may not share your views but he does at least try and argue his point rather than descending into childishness and baiting. You can't tell anything from a name so take everything you read on face value and respond accordingly ... ... Orp Boy if you think news stories such as this won't harm your support , why have the BNP organised themselves to attack the paper ?Fair enough MrTom - but you have to remember that we've had weeks of abuse from BNP supporters and it's understandable that we're getting somewhat irked by people trying to make comments who we believe to have multiple aliases. But in the case of Orp Boy, his last couple of comments make me think he's one of the few trying to get his point across reasonably well, so I'm happy to give him a break. For the time being at least ;o)
Oh I know your pain , we've had this name (not orp boy) posting on the Croydon pages for many months.
I've been threatened , accused of grooming , football hooliganism , Marxist activism and a vast range of other totally baseless activities.
Other contributors have had worse.
It is irksome but at the end of the day nobody knows who each id is and if you've got your suspicions you have the option to ignore these bits of filth.
Enjoy !!
Let's Agree To Differ
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8:39pm Tue 13 Oct 09
What they are saying is:
1) That they would like their elected councillors to fulfil the role that they were elected to do.
2) That they would like them to be honest.
3)That they would like them to use well reasoned argument rather than use bully-boy tactics when challenged.
Councillor Golding, it would appear, has failed on all counts.
Simon Bull
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9:03pm Tue 13 Oct 09
I do occasionally like to express my own opinions on our comment threads and blogs. I enjoy interacting with readers. Any 'political' thoughts are absolutely mine and not the newspaper's.
People are of course entitled to think what they like about the BNP.
As for multiple IDs, there are no set rules but there are limits when some people, or more likely one person, can be considered to be taking things too far and abusing the system.
bexleyman
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9:19pm Tue 13 Oct 09
Oh and any suggestion i'm Erastus was of course just rubbish. Just take my fierce criticism of him on one of his blogs and my grammar. Though I must apologise on both counts, once Erastus is embraced for his very Erastus-ness it can become a rather enjoyable e-community to be a part of.
It is also good to see Mr Bull on here, any News Shopper activity on the boards is welcome, perhaps forums and internet readership would increase if article authors contributed to genuine discussions on their stories...
eddie da eagle
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7:10am Wed 14 Oct 09
Excalibur
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8:39am Wed 14 Oct 09
As for the BNP supporters describing the News Shopper as 'a small local paper', I think that they're just miffed that the News Shopper dares to question their actions (or lack of in Councillor Golding's case). Unlike another newspaper in the area (which is a small newspaper in every sense of the word), the News Shopper is a decent community newspaper that has morals and doesn't accept the BNP's tainted money for advertising.
Still, I'm sure that the BNP's adverts sit nicely among the sordid sex ads in that downmarket rag!
Simon Bull
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9:15am Wed 14 Oct 09
bexleyman wrote:Thanks for your comments Bexleyman, much appreciated.
Just for the record, i'd like to say that my comments earlier this morning were in no way intended to incite harassment, but was rather a half-hearted, frustrated attempt to present our right-wing friend with a dose of his own party's medicine. Oh and any suggestion i'm Erastus was of course just rubbish. Just take my fierce criticism of him on one of his blogs and my grammar. Though I must apologise on both counts, once Erastus is embraced for his very Erastus-ness it can become a rather enjoyable e-community to be a part of. It is also good to see Mr Bull on here, any News Shopper activity on the boards is welcome, perhaps forums and internet readership would increase if article authors contributed to genuine discussions on their stories...
By the way, I know you weren't inciting harassment or anything else ridiculous that you were accused of. Unlike some, or someone, I could see perfectly well what you were saying. The reason that particular comment of yours was removed was because you mentioned a specific business by name.
Simon Bull
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9:23am Wed 14 Oct 09
Excalibur wrote:Thanks for your comments too Excalibur. It's nice to have you around on the site again as you've been absent for a little while, and missed.
I personally feel that it is excellent that Simon Bull has taken the time to comment on this story, it's great to hear from a representative of the paper. I like Bexleyman's suggestion of the author of an article joining in the debate and defending his/her article - so come on David Mills, show us what you're made of! As for the BNP supporters describing the News Shopper as 'a small local paper', I think that they're just miffed that the News Shopper dares to question their actions (or lack of in Councillor Golding's case). Unlike another newspaper in the area (which is a small newspaper in every sense of the word), the News Shopper is a decent community newspaper that has morals and doesn't accept the BNP's tainted money for advertising. Still, I'm sure that the BNP's adverts sit nicely among the sordid sex ads in that downmarket rag!
I like interacting with readers and joining in discussions where appropriate. I've also got no problem at all dealing with trouble-makers or defending our stories where it's needed.
I tend to think that if a newspaper is ruffling the feathers of a political party, whether it's the BNP or whoever, then it's doing a good job.
cockles & mussels
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10:10am Wed 14 Oct 09
bexleyman wrote:Victory for commonsense ! ... well done Newsshopper for removing that offensive post
Just for the record, i'd like to say that my comments earlier this morning were in no way intended to incite harassment, but was rather a half-hearted, frustrated attempt to present our right-wing friend with a dose of his own party's medicine. Oh and any suggestion i'm Erastus was of course just rubbish. Just take my fierce criticism of him on one of his blogs and my grammar. Though I must apologise on both counts, once Erastus is embraced for his very Erastus-ness it can become a rather enjoyable e-community to be a part of. It is also good to see Mr Bull on here, any News Shopper activity on the boards is welcome, perhaps forums and internet readership would increase if article authors contributed to genuine discussions on their stories...
Wobbo
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11:51am Wed 14 Oct 09
Dartbored
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12:18pm Wed 14 Oct 09
ollyloosemore
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12:20pm Wed 14 Oct 09
Erastus
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12:38pm Wed 14 Oct 09
Not a lot of people know that.
Beckenhamlady
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12:48pm Wed 14 Oct 09
Erastus
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12:52pm Wed 14 Oct 09
Shadow 99
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1:05pm Wed 14 Oct 09
Dartbored
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1:08pm Wed 14 Oct 09
Erastus
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1:11pm Wed 14 Oct 09
Orp Boy
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1:20pm Wed 14 Oct 09
Dartbored
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1:29pm Wed 14 Oct 09
Dartbored
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2:52pm Wed 14 Oct 09
Shadow 99 wrote:Yes, I guessed my comments may have been too subtle for someone with an IQ of 24.
only dartbored is all excited about a football match where england have already qualified for the world cup lol. pretty much sums up some of these plebs
Orp Boy
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3:50pm Wed 14 Oct 09
City
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4:28pm Wed 14 Oct 09
Please stop judging people by how many candles they have on their birthday cake…..its not right!!
betty hills
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4:35pm Wed 14 Oct 09
Dartbored
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4:53pm Wed 14 Oct 09
City wrote:Well said City. A recent, blatantly ageist story was published in a local paper and I immediately boycotted the paper in question. In fact, I was so incensed that I called on everyone at my local needlework club to target three of the companies who advertised in the vile "local rag". A few well aimed calls from Ethel, Mildred and dear old Aunty Mabel soon had the advertisers quaking in their boots.
I for one am sick of reading these ageist comments!!
Please stop judging people by how many candles they have on their birthday cake…..its not right!!
kelds
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6:38pm Wed 14 Oct 09
Western hating muslims burning british flags in our country and trying to bomb innocent people or thick nationalists with beliefs in the nazi party who many of our ancesters fought bravley against to liberate this country ( they must be turning in their graves now )?
I think we are in a no-win situation!!!
Let's Agree To Differ
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8:16pm Wed 14 Oct 09
Go figure!
KittyP
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8:46pm Wed 14 Oct 09
How heartwarming to see so many NS readers despise the BNP as much as I do.
Keep up the good work!
Tim44
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9:20pm Wed 14 Oct 09
sel unite
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9:33pm Wed 14 Oct 09
that is why they are not a legitimate party-that is why they should not be given air time on BBC's flagship programme-Question Time
that is why all those opposed to their race hate politcs should join the protest against the BNP go to ww.uaf.org.uk and /or get involved with larag, the south east london anti-fascist coalition www.naar.org.uk/lara
g
Let's Agree To Differ
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11:40pm Wed 14 Oct 09
eddie da eagle wrote:Well I'm off to bed soon, budge up fellas and make some room! Erastus please don't hog the duvet tonight. Sayso don't forget to set the alarm. Dartbored I hope you have remembered to put the cat out and lock up. Local Lady did you leave a note out for the milkman?
Shame you don't apply the same rules to multiple postings from the anti bnp'ers who all post within a few minutes of each other and all retire to bed together ....... must be a big bed from that bed company LOL ;)
The bed (from a well-known bed store, which we saw advertised on NS website) is lovely and comfy anyone else fancy joining us? Plenty of room for like-minded friends!
Simon I don't think we can let you share our bed just yet (what would the neighbours think?) but you are more than welcome to sleep on the couch!
Night all :-)
Wobbo
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9:44am Thu 15 Oct 09
Orp Boy
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11:06am Thu 15 Oct 09
sel unite wrote:Why should they not be given air time, just becuase you didnt vote for them enough other people did, If you like it or not. Dont like it dont watch it. Enough Sht on tv i dont like, guess what i dont watch it,
then BNP today are a besuited version of the old fascist National Front-it does not take much for them to reveal their their violent roots-to create a white only Britain-their clear goal-would take violence that is why they are not a legitimate party-that is why they should not be given air time on BBC's flagship programme-Question Time that is why all those opposed to their race hate politcs should join the protest against the BNP go to ww.uaf.org.uk and /or get involved with larag, the south east london anti-fascist coalition www.naar.org.uk/lara g
Susie:o)
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11:17am Thu 15 Oct 09
Local lady
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11:37am Thu 15 Oct 09
http://www.septicisl
e.info/2009/02/briti
sh-cissy-party.html
Wobbo
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11:51am Thu 15 Oct 09
Orp Boy
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12:00pm Thu 15 Oct 09
Dartbored
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12:06pm Thu 15 Oct 09
Mr Griffin should be allowed on Question Time. People seem to be worried that by giving the BNP airtime it will help promote their cause. Personally, I doubt that. No matter what Nick says during the show (and believe me, he is going to be bombarded with questions) it won't change the minds of any Tory, Labour or Lib Dem voters that are watching the show. Fact. The BNP "target voters" - which as a demographic are predominantly white, working class, disillusioned Brits - won't be watching the show anyway. I cant see Steve, a plumber from Bradford, saying to his missus "Ay oop luv, Question Time's about to start, I right fancy a bit of heated political debate after a hard day on job"
At best, Nick will just about defend his manifesto, possibly in a cohesive manner, without changing the opinion of anyone present. At worst, he'll be torn to pieces like a sacrificial lamb and his meltdown will be plastered across the UK press on Friday morning.
I'll wager the latter, but let's wait and see.
Dartbored
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12:38pm Thu 15 Oct 09
Susie:o)
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1:34pm Thu 15 Oct 09
Orp Boy
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4:00pm Thu 15 Oct 09
Dartbored
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4:06pm Thu 15 Oct 09
Orp Boy wrote:You see Orp Boy, I was just starting to warm to you and then you revert back to the deluded ramblings of your BNP brethren!
So who see the news today, BNP to consider non-white members , Step forward for the party , Yes ? ,
You know full well that the BNP are only considering this move because the law is forcing them. They've tried fighting the proposal but have decided that the legal costs will bankrupt the party (which would be a shame) so they've backed down.
Hardly a step forward - more of a feet tied together, shove from behind.
little boots
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4:18pm Thu 15 Oct 09
Orp Boy wrote:Stepping forward? Well...funny that, heard Mr Griffin on the radio saying he was only doing it because he was forced to.
So who see the news today, BNP to consider non-white members , Step forward for the party , Yes ? ,
Orp Boy
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4:38pm Thu 15 Oct 09
Dartbored
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5:11pm Thu 15 Oct 09
Orp Boy wrote:BNP at the MOBO's - ho ho ho.
Whos knows what will happen next , maybe we could be guest speakers at the MOBO awards. What ever decision they made people would find fault, Do you think this decison will change the amout of people that vote for them?
Now that is something I'd pay to watch. Reminiscent of Bruce Willis in Die Hard 3, wandering the streets of Harlem with a "message" for the locals.
In fact, I'm surprised the BNP haven't used a similar idea when canvassing for new votes.
Erastus
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10:34pm Thu 15 Oct 09
Nice try, Orp Boy. Unfortunately, your infiltration skills are sadly lacking, which can only mean you are a fully paid-up member of the BNP (Banal Numpty Party).
Your Lord, Erastus Theobald Piggott
Erastus
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10:37pm Thu 15 Oct 09
'Dull or stale as because of overuse; trite; hackneyed; commonplace.'
Your Lord, Erastus Theobald Piggott
Erastus
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10:40pm Thu 15 Oct 09
'Someone who (sometimes unwittingly) by speech or action demonstrates a lack of knowledge or misconception of a particular subject or situation to the amusement of others.'
Your Lord, Erastus Theobald Piggott
stripedblood
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12:25am Fri 16 Oct 09
Orp Boy
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10:08am Fri 16 Oct 09
Erastus wrote:Arhh Erastus I see it comes down to name calling when you dont have a lot to say. You may think that everyone on here loves reading what you say and your highly regarded poster, dont become to disillusioned as the fall will harder to take.
Definition of numpty: 'Someone who (sometimes unwittingly) by speech or action demonstrates a lack of knowledge or misconception of a particular subject or situation to the amusement of others.' Your Lord, Erastus Theobald Piggott
"Pull the wool over your eyes" not sure what you mean Do you think i tried to integrate with people to make them like me, I answered every question how i would had anyone asked me,
I work with many people like yourself , When they dont know what to add to the converstaion they try to belittle every one else by throwing a few insults about.
Please Please dont think your worth any more than me or your values are worth any more becuase of who you vote.
Lin4
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12:16pm Fri 16 Oct 09
However, I would have thought that if they wish to make any sort of impact locally, the last thing they should be doing is threaterning local businesses!
That's why they will only ever be seen, by the majority, as a bit of a joke.
Orp Boy
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12:46pm Fri 16 Oct 09
Lin4 wrote:define bright Lin, Or maybe its anyone that doesnt vote the same as you. So someone with a different opinion to Lin is now not bright, What if i voted for the Green Party, hey maybe i should use my vote for Miss Great Britain Party or the Morecambe Bay Independents
Well, let's face it - the BNP, and those that join the party, are not that bright anyway. However, I would have thought that if they wish to make any sort of impact locally, the last thing they should be doing is threaterning local businesses! That's why they will only ever be seen, by the majority, as a bit of a joke.
Erastus
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12:48pm Fri 16 Oct 09
Orp Boy wrote:I can think of worse names than numpty to call ignorant, racist, threatening thugs - but this is a family newspaper, so I will refrain.
Erastus wrote: Definition of numpty: 'Someone who (sometimes unwittingly) by speech or action demonstrates a lack of knowledge or misconception of a particular subject or situation to the amusement of others.' Your Lord, Erastus Theobald PiggottArhh Erastus I see it comes down to name calling when you dont have a lot to say. You may think that everyone on here loves reading what you say and your highly regarded poster, dont become to disillusioned as the fall will harder to take. "Pull the wool over your eyes" not sure what you mean Do you think i tried to integrate with people to make them like me, I answered every question how i would had anyone asked me, I work with many people like yourself , When they dont know what to add to the converstaion they try to belittle every one else by throwing a few insults about. Please Please dont think your worth any more than me or your values are worth any more becuase of who you vote.
"You may think that everyone on here loves reading what you say and your highly regarded poster, dont become to disillusioned as the fall will harder to take." I would answer this - if it made sense.
Erastus
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12:55pm Fri 16 Oct 09
Dartbored
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12:58pm Fri 16 Oct 09
In a civilized society, such far-right, extremist views will never be tolerated.
Don't get me wrong, my political leaning is right wing and I actually share some of the concerns of the BNP.
I think it's disgraceful that asylum seekers cross several European countries before settling here - we've got to stop being a "soft touch".
We do need to restore a sense of "Britishness" and stop this fear of flying the Union Jack in case it offends someone.
And I don't agree with positive discrimination in the workplace due to ethnic (or any other) background - a person should get a job due to ability, nothing else.
So I want a party that will address those concerns. But I don't want a party that will pay for some of my best friends to repatriate to their "homeland" (despite being born here). I don't want a party that will make my gay pal at work a target for abuse. I don't want a party representing me that is littered with ex-cons and thugs. And I don't want a party that threatens local newspapers and businesses for merely printing a story.
All the major parties have let us down and this country needs to get back on track, but the BNP is NOT the answer. If you're happy to be associated with this bullying, racist, lying bunch of cowards then that's your prerogative, but please don't expect anyone else to respect your views.
Erastus
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12:59pm Fri 16 Oct 09
Orp Boy
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1:19pm Fri 16 Oct 09
Congratulations on your grammer.
Dartbored your post I think shows the main issues that people do vote BNP, maybe other partys that dont want BNP to get votes should also look at these issues, As said before i dont agree with all the BNP policies and i dont think most people that vote for a party do agree with 100% of their policies, but maybe the other partys should look at why people do. Without assuming they are all just yobs who dont know what their talking about
Erastus
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1:48pm Fri 16 Oct 09
I made a similar point in my blog, actually. It is up to the main parties to prove themselves in order to prevent the more disillusioned among us from voting BNP. The BNP thrives on the mistakes of the main parties in the same way that it feeds on the ignorance and prejudices of those who support it. You will never convince decent, fairminded people that voting BNP is even an option. I wish you would realise this simple fact.
Erastus
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1:58pm Fri 16 Oct 09
There is no room for debate on this issue.
Erastus
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1:59pm Fri 16 Oct 09
Orp Boy
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2:00pm Fri 16 Oct 09
Erastus
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2:03pm Fri 16 Oct 09
Orp Boy
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2:06pm Fri 16 Oct 09
Erastus
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2:06pm Fri 16 Oct 09
Why must I be 'careful' to voice my opinion? Is this a veiled threat?
Erastus
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2:10pm Fri 16 Oct 09
I think Orp Boy has finally got it. Yes, Orp, as I keep saying. The main parties must prove to us that they have learnt by their mistakes and the only way for them to do it is for the public to vote for them, NOT vote for the BNP. Do you NOW understand?
Erastus
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2:12pm Fri 16 Oct 09
Erastus
Orp Boy
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2:12pm Fri 16 Oct 09
Erastus
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2:13pm Fri 16 Oct 09
Erastus
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2:14pm Fri 16 Oct 09
Orp Boy wrote:At last we see Orp Boy's true colours.
What you banging on about, if you want to turn something i have said into that then thats up to you, if that was a threat then yours was slander, Dont try and turn that on me, get off your high horse
Dartbored
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2:30pm Fri 16 Oct 09
Orp Boy wrote:Ok, which policies don't you agree with? Is it the fact that you don't want your children to turn into racist, homophobic, ignorant bullies? Do you find the idea of sending non-whites "home" a little uncomfortable? Are you a little wary of returning to the days when black people had their own seats on buses? Are you worried that some of the BNP policies would turn this country into an economic leper, driving international business away? How many Asian, Arabic and Jewish businesses are there in the UK Orp Boy? Goldman Sachs (the Jewish ones) pay billions of pounds of tax each year into the UK economy. If the BNP get in, they'll be out of here before you can say "holocaust conspiracy theory".
Erastus, I dont feel it necessary to look through your post for typo's, shows the type of person you are to be looking for that. I think what has happened here is too many people have agreed with your posts in the past and now you have got a bit above yourself. You now feel what ever you type you have the backing of every poster on here. Im not that insecure i need/want everyone to agree with me.
Congratulations on your grammer.
Dartbored your post I think shows the main issues that people do vote BNP, maybe other partys that dont want BNP to get votes should also look at these issues, As said before i dont agree with all the BNP policies and i dont think most people that vote for a party do agree with 100% of their policies, but maybe the other partys should look at why people do. Without assuming they are all just yobs who dont know what their talking about
Take tourism - it generates £52 billion pounds a year to our economy - how many non-whites are going to want to visit the UK with the BNP in charge? None, that's how many.
But according to your theory, that's fine. Because as long as they do the few things that YOU want them to, you can conveniently forget about those other policies that you don't agree with. The policies that will actually destroy the country you're all so desperate to save.
Your argument is so fundamentally flawed Orp Boy, it's breathtaking in its naivety.
Erastus
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3:33pm Fri 16 Oct 09
What is going to happen to me if I do?
Erastus
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3:35pm Fri 16 Oct 09
There's another question he probably won't answer. These unanswered questions are really stacking up, aren't they?
Erastus
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4:00pm Fri 16 Oct 09
Orp Boy
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4:22pm Fri 16 Oct 09
Dont think everyone loves reading your posts, most people on here probably see a post from Erastus and think ... boring ...they just dont want to upset you by telling you.
Dartbored
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4:25pm Fri 16 Oct 09
Orp Boy wrote:Come on Orp, I'm looking forward to your thoughts on the points I raised.
Erastus, not ignoring questions at all. Just have work to finish so im not stuck in the office on a friday night, some of us have lives outside work.
Dont think everyone loves reading your posts, most people on here probably see a post from Erastus and think ... boring ...they just dont want to upset you by telling you.
Suddenly becoming busy at work may seem a cop-out to some readers.....
Erastus
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4:28pm Fri 16 Oct 09
Orp Boy wrote:Schoolboy tactics from Orp Boy. Orp, why don't you tell me to 'go and get a life' while you are at it?
Erastus, not ignoring questions at all. Just have work to finish so im not stuck in the office on a friday night, some of us have lives outside work. Dont think everyone loves reading your posts, most people on here probably see a post from Erastus and think ... boring ...they just dont want to upset you by telling you.
Believe me, I have heard them ALL.
Your Lord, Erastus Theobald Piggott The All-Knowing
Erastus
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4:31pm Fri 16 Oct 09
Orp, why should I 'be careful' when I voice my opinion. What will happen to me?
Your Lord, Erastus Theobald Piggott, The Curious
Erastus
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4:33pm Fri 16 Oct 09
Perhaps Golding is more qualified to answer this question.
Erastus
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4:40pm Fri 16 Oct 09
Not that we will get an answer to that question, of course.
Orp, you took the time away from your work station to explain why you have not answered the questions put to you. Wouldn't your time have been better spent by simply giving us some answers?
Erastus
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4:45pm Fri 16 Oct 09
So, you admit to using company time to read an online newspaper instead of actually 'working'?
Erastus
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4:46pm Fri 16 Oct 09
Erastus
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4:47pm Fri 16 Oct 09
Erastus
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4:52pm Fri 16 Oct 09
I would not be upset. It is still a free country after all, isn't it? Surely, people are free to agree or disagree with me, aren't they? They are even entitled to find me boring, eh?
Orp Boy
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5:09pm Fri 16 Oct 09
Back to this threat thing that you wont leave alone, just to put the matter straight, you said decent people wouldnt change to BNP i said well people that are voting for your party now may change to BNP as they are getting their increase in votes from somewhere. So i said becareful cause people you think that are "decent" may change their vote and then not be "decent" as you so put it.
I know why you keep bringing this threat thing up and its not going to happen, so stop trying to turn this whole depate into the Erastus thread, people have had enough of you, Im sure everyone reading this is thinking what is Erastus talking about, the more you carry it on the more stupid you are looking in front of your friends.
Erastus
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5:21pm Fri 16 Oct 09
As for your other observations, I refer you to my blog in the Your Say section of this online newspaper.
What do you actually trade in? Attempting to convince the disillusioned to vote BNP, perhaps.
Your Lord, Erastus Theobald Piggott, The All-Knowing
Erastus
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5:22pm Fri 16 Oct 09
Erastus
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5:31pm Fri 16 Oct 09
Aside from the dreadful spelling and punctuation, what does this statement actually mean?
Erastus
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5:33pm Fri 16 Oct 09
I am intrigued. Please explain.
Your Lord, Erastus Theobald Piggott, The Even More Curious Than He Was Before
Erastus
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5:37pm Fri 16 Oct 09
But before, you said that you were trying to catch-up on work so that you could enjoy your life after work.
Now you say that working too hard costs too much.
What does this mean?
Very confusing.
Erastus
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5:40pm Fri 16 Oct 09
Please enlighten me.
Erastus
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5:46pm Fri 16 Oct 09
Are you your own boss? If not, do you think your employer would be happy to know you spend your day avoiding work in order to defend the BNP's policies?
I know it's a lot of questions for a Friday but it's obvious that you consider work an inconvenience, isn't it?
Rocket science it ain't.
Erastus
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5:59pm Fri 16 Oct 09
Your Lord, Erastus Theobald Piggott, The Yet Unanswered
Erastus
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6:05pm Fri 16 Oct 09
Erastus
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6:12pm Fri 16 Oct 09
Search on this site for the following:
ARE EVEN THE BEST AMONG US JUST A LITTLE BIT PREJUDICED?
Erastus
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6:16pm Fri 16 Oct 09
Anyone posting a derogatory comment will most certainly NOT be deleted. In fact, they will be most welcome.
Erastus
Erastus
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6:29pm Fri 16 Oct 09
Erastus
AR2048
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7:43pm Fri 16 Oct 09
Also, the companies mentioned in the article are not the only local businesses providing those services, so the claim that to boycott them would 'take money from the local economy' is just hyperbole.
cliff hay
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7:56pm Fri 16 Oct 09
Erastus
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9:47pm Fri 16 Oct 09
AR2048 wrote:Please explain.
Hmmmm...I abhor the BNP but I remember a time when the News Shopper actively encouraged a certain poster to call advertisers' existing and potential customers 'scum'. Also, the companies mentioned in the article are not the only local businesses providing those services, so the claim that to boycott them would 'take money from the local economy' is just hyperbole.
Erastus
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10:00pm Fri 16 Oct 09
Who was the 'certain poster'?
Please provide evidence for your statement.
Let's Agree To Differ
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11:54pm Fri 16 Oct 09
k/1/hi/england/linco
lnshire/8310049.stm
Well done to the voters of Lincolnshire (just). It was a close call and serves as yet another reminder of what can happen if voters remain complacent about bothering to vote. Turnout out only 21%- BNP, with a mere 581 votes were very close to winning. That's worrying, surely?
john e b good
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10:17am Sat 17 Oct 09
notauntymabel
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2:56pm Sat 17 Oct 09
MSJC
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4:15pm Sat 17 Oct 09
AR2048
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2:20am Sun 18 Oct 09
Oh come now, your memory cannot be that bad....this ring any bells?...
"Anyone, regardless of age or background who wears a hoody = scum"
What about this?
"Anyone wearing clothes bought from Primark = scum"
and this...
"Anyone who fills their chest freezers with frozen pizzas from Iceland = scum"
Perhaps this will help...
"Anyone from Thamesmead, Erith, Dartford or Swanley = SCUM"
Remember now?
Yes just a tiny few of untold examples of the customers of local businesses being called 'scum'...the customers of local businesses which sell hoodies, the customers of Primark and Iceland, the customers of businesses in Thamesmead, Erith, Dartford or Swanley, and of course many people who run businesses in those areas live in them, ditto their employees.
Yet despite repeated calls from various people for the News Shopper to put a stop to the constant insults and offence to local businesses, News Shopper readers and visitors to the News Shopper website - both the paper edition and site carry much advertising of course - the News Shopper insisted that poster had the right to keep on and on and on insulting and offending them.
Remember now?
AR2048
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2:39am Sun 18 Oct 09
Hope my post above, to Erastus, explains.
AR2048
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2:51am Sun 18 Oct 09
"Erastus, Bexley says...
2:04pm Sat 17 Oct 09
It seems that even Dartfordians are sick of shopping in Primark!
At least the thieves will be easy to spot in their new clobber - they will be the best dressed customers Burger King has ever seen."
Erastus
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7:35am Sun 18 Oct 09
Erastus
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7:40am Sun 18 Oct 09
Or pehaps News Shopper and many of its readers could see the broader picture, AR2048.
Erastus
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7:54am Sun 18 Oct 09
You never know, you might even be able to solve the puzzle.
Erastus
Erastus
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7:59am Sun 18 Oct 09
Erastus
Erastus
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8:12am Sun 18 Oct 09
Let's Agree To Differ
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5:15pm Sun 18 Oct 09
http://paulgolding.o
rg.uk/
He has been very busy trying to get support for his battle with NS. Shame he can't find any time to hold a surgery for the people of Swanley.
Enlightened Patriot
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11:27am Mon 19 Oct 09
No, I doubt you will - you wish to remain so blinded but the tide is turning.
http://www.telegraph
.co.uk/comment/colum
nists/georgepitcher/
6371236/Lets-incrimi
nate-the-BNP---not-i
ndulge-it-with-Quest
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Sarah H says...
1:04pm Mon 12 Oct 09
To resort to pathetic name calling and bully tactics rather than constructing a detailed argument just about sums them up really.
More fool anyone that voted for them really.