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Discuss: Bringing back the cane
9:59am Friday 3rd October 2008
CANING should be reintroduced in schools - that is what a fifth of teachers believe, but what do you think?
In a survey for The Times Educational Supplement, 22 per cent of secondary school teachers and 16 per cent of their primary school counterparts backed the use of corporal punishment in "extreme cases".
Deteriorating behaviour was given as the main reason for supporting bringing back the cane, more than 20 years after it was banned.
Teachers also commented on pupils not responding to the current sanctions available.
Would the cane be an effective deterrent to crack down on misbehaving children? Are there other better methods to keep order in lessons?
Have teachers lost their authority over pupils?
Can there ever be any justification for hitting children, however bad their behaviour is? Would you support your child being given the cane in school?
Have your say - add your comments below.
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Your Lord, Erastus Theobald Piggott, The Study says...
10:21am Fri 3 Oct 08
If teachers are not even allowed to physically pull apart fighting children, I cannot imagine the use of the cane being given the go-ahead.
Erastus
luce, says...
10:30am Fri 3 Oct 08
Tyler, says...
10:41am Fri 3 Oct 08
luce, says...
10:45am Fri 3 Oct 08
Lizzielooloo, says...
11:00am Fri 3 Oct 08
Funny how the threat of being sent to the headmasters office for 6 of the best put people off! Slipper or cane bring it back, something needs to be done.
I agree with Luce and Erastus, nice idea but it aint gonna happen is it?
Tyler, says...
11:07am Fri 3 Oct 08
Cat, says...
11:10am Fri 3 Oct 08
jan, says...
11:14am Fri 3 Oct 08
luce, says...
11:15am Fri 3 Oct 08
anon, Dartford says...
11:16am Fri 3 Oct 08
luce, says...
11:16am Fri 3 Oct 08
jan wrote:you got no worries then have you.
NO if anyone hits my children i will hit them. bring children up right there will be no need for it.
Jon Sellers, Blackfen says...
11:22am Fri 3 Oct 08
Do not bring back the cane.
If my child is being rude or badly behaved then tell me and I will punish them as their parent.
The cane was a horrific barbaric form of discipline and does not encourage children to behave.
Children need to be disciplined and taught in a nonphysical way by their parents and teachers working together.
I was brought to be polite, respectful and well behaved because my parents installed strong values in me. Its the parents of these children who are the problem, too often I see parents screaming and swearing at their children, no wonder the child becomes a problem.
Tyler, says...
11:33am Fri 3 Oct 08
John, says...
11:41am Fri 3 Oct 08
I do not believe in being too soft in discipline but by earning a childs respect through trust and not fear you can then install the lessons they need in later life.
I was more worried about disappointing my parents and teachers than I ever was of any physical intimidation.
luce, says...
11:50am Fri 3 Oct 08
Tyler's Mum, on the sofa watching Jezza says...
11:51am Fri 3 Oct 08
All you big bullies leave my little boy alone he would never deserve to get the cane, it was all a mistake the day he set the school alight, the stupid teacher gave him matches and Bunsen burner what do you expect.
Biscuit, Bromley says...
11:52am Fri 3 Oct 08
Tyler's Mum, still on the sofa watching Jerry Springer says...
11:54am Fri 3 Oct 08
j, 769-113 says...
12:00pm Fri 3 Oct 08
Tyler wrote:Da Selecter, dem tunes are bangin innit
All u oldies only lik da ideaz of kidz gettin da cane as ur pervs.....
Michelle, says...
12:09pm Fri 3 Oct 08
What would we be teaching children if we hit them with a cane when they have done something wrong ?
Drew, Dartford says...
12:11pm Fri 3 Oct 08
Don't tell me it won't happen
Tyler's Mum, just having her first cider of the day says...
12:18pm Fri 3 Oct 08
no to the cane, says...
12:34pm Fri 3 Oct 08
Rest assured if the cane is bought back they will not get my permission to cane my child and if any teacher did, well lets just say its dificult to cane someone when one is a paraplegic.
luce, says...
12:48pm Fri 3 Oct 08
sue, orp says...
1:09pm Fri 3 Oct 08
Heard It All, Before says...
1:13pm Fri 3 Oct 08
Charlie, Lewisham says...
1:29pm Fri 3 Oct 08
Tyler wrote:Have you had a stroke?
If da teacher tried ta whak me wit da cane I wood cane him bak wit a fist to the face.....
Lisa, Dartford says...
1:36pm Fri 3 Oct 08
The cane would not achieve this. The only thing which would work with these loathsome barbarians would be humiliation, to make them look small in front of their peers and strip them or their i-pods, phones, designer gear etc and make them analyse their own behaviour. Make like as uncomfortable and unpleasant for them as possible - and no I am not a stuffy oldie, I am 20 years old.
Chantelle, Tyler's Bird, primark says...
1:38pm Fri 3 Oct 08
knowlsey, sidcup says...
2:10pm Fri 3 Oct 08
John, says...
2:14pm Fri 3 Oct 08
sue wrote:Show them respect by caning them!!
it never done us any harm in the 80s. BRING IT BACK! show these kids some respect.
Good idea....I may show my wife some respect if I come in tonight 8 stellas to the wind and my dinner isn't ready!!
Carparkattendant, Bexley says...
2:15pm Fri 3 Oct 08
luce, says...
2:17pm Fri 3 Oct 08
knowlsey wrote:without asking what your litle darlings have done 1st ? got your number mate, bash 1st then ask questions ? great role model.
If a teacher ever touched my kids with a cane I would be up the school and smash them with it.
Drew, Dartford says...
2:31pm Fri 3 Oct 08
Lisa, Dartford says...
2:33pm Fri 3 Oct 08
Chantelle, Swigging alchopops down the park says...
2:48pm Fri 3 Oct 08
Drew wrote:shut it drew me n tyler got matching puffas already
Tyler; get you arse down to T.K.Maxx quick their doing a great line in puffers with built in knives!!!
Strict parent, Dartford says...
2:53pm Fri 3 Oct 08
I would never give permission for anyone too hit my child and would retaliate immediately if someone did.
Yes we do live in a society where respect has been lost and children run amuck, this can only be handled by the parents and we all know that's like talking too a brick wall for many?
Ted, Cryford, Kent says...
2:53pm Fri 3 Oct 08
I saw boys who thought that they were tough, crying after having the cane. That blew their image big time!
knowlsey, sidcup says...
2:57pm Fri 3 Oct 08
Lisa, Dartford says...
2:58pm Fri 3 Oct 08
Drew, Dartford says...
2:59pm Fri 3 Oct 08
Chantelle wrote:Channi did you get the one with the knife or the one from the market that had the full hoody so you could go mugging without being recogised?
Drew wrote: Tyler; get you arse down to T.K.Maxx quick their doing a great line in puffers with built in knives!!!shut it drew me n tyler got matching puffas already
Lisa, Dartford says...
3:06pm Fri 3 Oct 08
Perhaps if parents stopped defending them and disowned them it would be a wake up call
Chantelle, just about to nick 3 cans of stella says...
3:11pm Fri 3 Oct 08
Drew wrote:nah drew none of that cheap market cr*p
Chantelle wrote:Channi did you get the one with the knife or the one from the market that had the full hoody so you could go mugging without being recogised?Drew wrote: Tyler; get you arse down to T.K.Maxx quick their doing a great line in puffers with built in knives!!!shut it drew me n tyler got matching puffas already
i wear a scarf so no1 nos its me
Tyler, says...
3:11pm Fri 3 Oct 08
Man ya can cane me but beware dat does not kilz me only makes uz stronger....peaze out
Tyler's Mum, waiting to go the bingo says...
3:14pm Fri 3 Oct 08
Chantelle, Tyler's Bird, kfc says...
3:22pm Fri 3 Oct 08
**** luvz u babi boyz ****
Charn, cherchill gardens park thingyplace says...
3:23pm Fri 3 Oct 08
The Real Chantelle, at ty's gaff says...
3:37pm Fri 3 Oct 08
its an asbo not a tag
Chatelle, still at ty's says...
3:39pm Fri 3 Oct 08
knowlsey wrote:fanks dad
If a teacher ever touched my kids with a cane I would be up the school and smash them with it.
Spanky, Cane City says...
3:53pm Fri 3 Oct 08
Mr Jones, Mr Jones house says...
3:55pm Fri 3 Oct 08
How about a fully trained, sworn in, caner, who comes around say once a month like the Circuit Judge of the old West? The little dears could sweat on it for a while and their gin filled parents would face serious charges if any attempt was made to assault the caner
If they fail to turn up for their punishment wheel the whole family into an assessment centre for family dynamics training and if they fail to turn up for that stop their benefits.
Spanky, Cane City says...
3:58pm Fri 3 Oct 08
Spliff king, Dartford says...
4:09pm Fri 3 Oct 08
I have the best skunk in the county!!!!
Spanky, Cane City says...
4:15pm Fri 3 Oct 08
Strict parent wrote:Oh I would love you to be my mum. I could then end up like the thugs we are surrounded by and learn nothing, rob my grandmother and probably end up killing my parents!!
I wouldn't punch a teacher for hitting my child; I'd kick his teeth in. I would never give permission for anyone too hit my child and would retaliate immediately if someone did. Yes we do live in a society where respect has been lost and children run amuck, this can only be handled by the parents and we all know that's like talking too a brick wall for many?
Toker, Spliv Palace says...
4:19pm Fri 3 Oct 08
Spliff king wrote:Great! Are you on the PM - I'll send you my address.
I'm over the moon that schools and parents alike want their children too get canned, if anyone wants help in getting some quality gear let me know? I have the best skunk in the county!!!!
Samantha, petts wood says...
4:50pm Fri 3 Oct 08
I'm 21 and left school at 14 I left school not because i was kicked out or a problem child but because I was bored.
A lot of badly behaved children wouldn't misbehave if they were engaged in learning in a way that they could relate to and that made sense to them.
I recently worked at a secondary school with a very bad reputation a teacher being stabbed amongst the reasons for it's reputation. The children there even had a security team with all teachers having walkie talkies so that they could contact the security.
The problem with the schooling system is that the discipline is not followed through. Teachers will not punish the children because they are frightened of parents storming into the school and verbally and physically abusing them because they have attempted to control their little darling.
The discipline system that is in place will work if the threat of parental intervention is eliminated.
My parents were very strict yet my scholl wasn't i feared my parents more than i did school and therefore behaved at school because i didn't want to have to answer to my parents for any bad behaviour. I was bought up to be polite, well mannered and respectful and still am and although I left school at 14 I began working not long after as well as studying at college and now have a very good job. I know right from wrong and this is due to my parents and the fact that my parents would back my school up in any way they could if i did happen to get a detention or whatever because my parents knew that they and the school had to show a united front so that I knew i could not play one off against the other
It's not right, Bromley says...
4:55pm Fri 3 Oct 08
And why? Because the teacher didnt give the pupil the grades he wanted.
Admittedly the pupil gave the teacher 5 seconds to change the grade (not an error !), and when the teacher refused, the pupil counted down from 5 the teacher stood his ground and received a hiding.
Im not saying bringing back the cane is the right thing to do but surely something has got to change !
mr me, kent says...
7:07pm Fri 3 Oct 08
Tyler wrote:idiot
If da teacher tried ta whak me wit da cane I wood cane him bak wit a fist to the face.....
Paul, says...
7:12pm Fri 3 Oct 08
If you cane a child for doing somethng wrong you idiots, you are teaching them that its ok to use violence when someone wrongs you ! are you so retarded you cant grasp that concept ? or is it your so far up your own arse that your big head wont come out anymore ????
FACT OF LIFE FOR THE BRAIN DEAD IDiOTS ! VIOLENCE BREEDS VIOLENCE. YOU DONT FIGHT FIRE WITH FIRE.
I have a 23 year old son who has never been in trouble with the law, but was never caned by a teacher and they was not allowed to give them detention. If my child needed punishment It was my job to do it, and i would be the judge of the severity of the punishment. I also have 14 and 15 year old daughters, again the school is not allowed to punish them, if there is a problem they contact me and I, as their parent, deal with it. Now I am not a smoker, a drugy or a drunk, but if anyone, I dont care who they are, ever, laid a finger on any of my kids, they wouldnt have to worry about me swinging wildly, I would simply rip their arms off and beat what was left of them to death with them. I would never and could never disown one of my children either lisa, if you was a decent parent you would understand that, but your not, your just an idiot !
Poor Dad, Bromley says...
7:54pm Fri 3 Oct 08
I am the father of two very young black children and the thought of them growing up in this current climate petrifies me. I only mention the fact that they are black because of the poor statistics that black children have (although this is neither gender nor race specific !).
Growing up, I was subjected to the cane and it hasnt done me any lasting damage with the Human Rights Act and such like the situation it is unlikely to be reversed.
So can any of the readers give suggestions because our children are the future of this country and where its heading is not particularly encouraging.
I do dote on my kids and I would be willing to concede that I may spoil them a little, I am an upstanding member of my community but short of a magic wand, I am not proud to ask for a little help
Corpral Punishment, Misses Office ! says...
8:21pm Fri 3 Oct 08
Melissa, meopham says...
11:11pm Fri 3 Oct 08
Mark, Dartford says...
6:31am Sat 4 Oct 08
GOD, UP ERE says...
7:58am Sat 4 Oct 08
Mark, Dartford says...
10:10am Sat 4 Oct 08
Who is to blame?
Sorry, I forgot to add they might be the next 'Pop idol' that will influence the rest.
Drew, Dartford says...
10:19am Sat 4 Oct 08
Everyone I know left hospital with this bundle of joy that wet, poo'd and screemed it's needs, when they started crawling all the ornaments had to be lifted off the floor for their protection.
At two the tantrums started and they became little demons when upset.
How many people out there lost their temper at this point and started smacking the child? How many started swearing at them? And how many started too lose control and ignore certain bad behaviour like swearing and hitting?
Children need guidelines on behaviour, shown respect and praised when they do well. Doing this when a child is between ten and sixteen and doing GCSE's is too late. And not the job of the teaching staff?
Puff Daddy, says...
11:36am Sat 4 Oct 08
knowlsey wrote:Private Knowlsey of the Pioneer Corps, our hero. You illiterate oaf. Stick to digging out shi tters, you know its what you do best.
If a teacher is allowed to assault son then I will assault them.Nobody is allowed to hit my kids and you better bilieve I mean it you scumbags.
Who's ya daddy Knowlsey ?
molly, woolwich says...
2:35pm Sat 4 Oct 08
Its sounds like u r an ova protective father who is no longer with there mother!! U want 2sort it out m8, they look up 2u, and from the way u r portraying ur self on here, u r the 1 that sounds lke the scum bag wiv no brains or sense and therefore i recommend ur kids get put in2 care so that they can b raised around ADULTS and not figure like urself. RETARD
m, greenwich says...
3:00pm Sat 4 Oct 08
Oracle, Bexleyheath says...
8:43am Sun 5 Oct 08
A shame really as it is a very "social" issue that everybody wants fixed but nobody really wants to find the solution.
If I thought for one moment that my comments or opinions would or could make a difference then I might add them here.
For now, though, I feel compelled only to let society, through its own inadequacies, dissolve down its own self built drain.
Steve, Dartford says...
8:58am Sun 5 Oct 08
Jenny, Bexleyheath says...
9:48am Sun 5 Oct 08
Dan, Orpington says...
11:24am Mon 6 Oct 08
Tyler wrote:What more can you say, something needs to be done to tackle blatant illiteratacy.
If da teacher tried ta whak me wit da cane I wood cane him bak wit a fist to the face.....
Tylers comment shows what a disgrace the education system is now.
It is no wonder so many children fail their exams nowadays.
It seems this 'text speak' or what ever you want to call it, is creeping in everywhere.
If something is not done soon we risk, as a nation, becoming an illiterate society.
The priory School for example is proud to announce that 60% of their pupils received the much needed 5 GCSE's at grade A-C.
6 out of 10 pupils getting the necessary grades for college.
I dont know what your feelings are, but if mediocrity is to be applauded then it does not bode well for the future of the country.
It is the blatant disregard for authorities that is to blame so lets start with caning in schools,and while i think of it, what about the town bobbies being able to dispense a clip round the ear when necessary. (reviewing my comments its important to know im 30 yrs old, not 60+ as my comments may suggest)
ClockWatcher, Welling says...
11:28am Mon 6 Oct 08
I was never hit, but received a lot of lectures and I have HUGE respect for my parents, my family and myself.
I do not need to 'act big' to others and I have no respect for those that do.
Kids today do not have strong role models and have not been taught how to behave. They have no respect for themselves or anyone else.
I doubt the cane would make any difference to their behaviour, it's the parents that need to install morality and values in them, it's not the schools job.
Dan, Orpington says...
11:37am Mon 6 Oct 08
jan wrote:Jans comment explains it all.
NO if anyone hits my children i will hit them. bring children up right there will be no need for it.
It is obvious for all to see it is parents like you that give your children their 'gung ho' attitude.
In a modern society, where violent crime is becoming obvious that perhaps the children of today are not to blame and it is indeed their parents (yes im referring to Jan here) who teach their children by example that it is indeed O.K. to use violence as a means to getting their own way.
Perhaps if these people where subjected to corparal punishment, as children then this country would not be in the state it is in now!
Me, Orpington says...
11:52am Mon 6 Oct 08
jan wrote:Yes, and your exactly the reason why we should have it. Yes I agree that children should be brought up correctly however you are a good example of were a child is disciplined you want to knock someone out.We should all take the responsibility for ensuring people behave responsibly
NO if anyone hits my children i will hit them. bring children up right there will be no need for it.
Dick Dolphin, says...
6:29pm Mon 6 Oct 08
Dazman, SE20 8TT says...
9:31am Tue 7 Oct 08
Lea, DA8 says...
1:29pm Tue 7 Oct 08
Dazman, SE20 8TT says...
1:38pm Tue 7 Oct 08
annaCARTER, bromley says...
7:59pm Wed 8 Oct 08
not all children are chavs or bad people. some children are in classes that are doing year 10 work in year 8 . if you bring back the cane it'll only result to more violence.
if you adults have ever been caned you look back and think of it as the worst bit of school. my dad always complains about the way he was treated. so why would you want to make people look back on there childhood as a time of bruises and abuse.
its not fair on kids.
so please stop because making our lives misery wont help our intelligence or well being better.
annaCARTER, bromley says...
8:11pm Wed 8 Oct 08
you lot stereotype and im affended to be called evil. and no we dont have designer clothes. im poor i have government funding because my mum has a life going to university not wasting her life away typing abuse at children.
so lisa GO HOME YOU MEANY!!!
erenlakeman, Greenwich says...
3:45pm Tue 14 Oct 08
luce wrote:i agree with a comment like that from tyler you should im only 18 but i think people like that deserve it
I rest my case.
CEH, London says...
1:32pm Thu 16 Oct 08
I would suggest publicly caning the parents every time their offspring caused damage or disruption.
klp, downham says...
10:10pm Wed 26 Nov 08
Caning is not a solution and comments like that are not going to make matters any better.
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