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UPDATE: Bakery murder victim named
1:15pm Saturday 10th May 2008
Comments (179) Have your say »
A 16-YEAR-OLD boy was murdered in a bakers' shop in Lee this morning.
Police were called to reports of an assault at the Three Cooks shop at the junction of Burnt Ash Hill and Woodyates Road at 11.50am today (May 10).
The victim was a local boy, Jimmy Mizen - believed to have been a pupil at St Thomas More Catholic Comprehensive School in Foots Cray Road.
Jimmy suffered serious injuries to his neck and was pronounced dead at the scene.
Police have started a murder investigation and have informed the victim's next of kin.
Eyewitness accounts
A bystander outside the Three Cooks - who did not want to be named - told News Shopper that two youths were attacked by a third youth, carrying a baseball bat.
She said: "The two guys - who are local - were attacked with a baseball bat.
"They were attacked in the shop.
"It looked like glass was broken and broken glass cut someone across the neck.
"It looked like something out of a Tarantino movie."
She added :"I think it was an unprovoked attack."
Estate agent Paul Godfrey was one of the first people on the scene, after his colleague who witnessed the attack told him what had happened.
Mr Godfrey said: "A colleague had gone to the shop and found out what happened.
"He sprinted down to my office and we grabbed a first aid box and sprinted back."
He added: "I arrived after the attack and saw the aftermath.
"We went up with a first aid kit and called for an ambulance while the victim's brother tried to stem the flow of blood.
"He has a towel round his neck to stop the flow of blood but there was an awful amount of blood."
A shock to the local community
Businesses in the parade of shops next to the bakery shut for the afternoon as a mark of respect.
Mr Godfrey said: "It is a lovely area - houses are expensive and the people who live there are nice normal people.
"All the shops in the parade know each other and get on well and we were all shocked.
"We all shut up shop as a mark of respect."
He added: "From what I could find out they are a local family and he was a nice kid and it was a random attack.
"My immediate thoughts are with his family and friends.
"We hear about knife crime in London - particularly among young people - but that seems to be gang-related.
"But this seems to be an unprovoked and violent attack on someone who seemed to be a decent young man."
Police investigation
Investigating officer Detective Chief Inspector Cliff Lyons said: "This is another tragic incident where a young victim has lost his life, and our sympathies are with his family and friends.
"At this early stage it is understood that Jimmy was working in the Three Cooks bakery when the suspect entered the premises.
"There was an argument between Jimmy and the suspect, following which Jimmy was assaulted and he sustained serious neck injuries.
"The suspect, described as a male youth, made of from the scene up Burnt Ash Hill towards Burnt Ash Lane.
"I would urge anyone who was in and around the Burnt Ash Hill area at the time of the incident to call us at our incident room with any information they may have."
- Anyone with information should call 020 8721 4205 or Crimestoppers anonymously on 0800 555 111.
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Liz, Orpington says...
3:22pm Sat 10 May 08
Lisa, SE London says...
3:31pm Sat 10 May 08
Cheryl, Lee says...
4:03pm Sat 10 May 08
My thoughts are with the young man's family. Good bless.
Sean, Lee says...
4:14pm Sat 10 May 08
Nikki, Eltham says...
4:26pm Sat 10 May 08
Sian Marie, Welling says...
4:47pm Sat 10 May 08
Andrew, Eltham says...
5:15pm Sat 10 May 08
Lisa, SE London says...
5:17pm Sat 10 May 08
kay, eltham says...
5:18pm Sat 10 May 08
Hope Whoeva Done This Is Caught And Killed!!!
Sweetdreams
xxx
c, lee says...
5:30pm Sat 10 May 08
Paul Godfrey, Home says...
5:52pm Sat 10 May 08
Miss Angry, says...
5:53pm Sat 10 May 08
paul godfrey, home says...
6:00pm Sat 10 May 08
Miss Angry wrote:Please this is not time or place for your comments. They are valid, but please let people use this service to leave messages.
Unless N/S has a technical problem I can only assume my comment was censored. I fully understand why people have a need to express their sorrow and sympathy at this sort of tragedy. But the media should also allow us to express our anger that this sort of thing keeps happening more and more frequently as the months tick by. Children are killing children, what is going on? Why is this happening on a regular basis and what needs to be done to deter this from ever happening again? This news is shocking and outrageous and a family and community are left reeling..what will our grand politicians do to STOP THIS happening again!!!!
Thankyou.
kirsty, grove park says...
6:11pm Sat 10 May 08
SE London, SE London says...
6:20pm Sat 10 May 08
Lisa, SE London says...
6:28pm Sat 10 May 08
SE London, SE London says...
6:28pm Sat 10 May 08
melissa, bexleyheath says...
6:46pm Sat 10 May 08
My thoughts are with the family and other friends.. X
Siofra, Jessy, lee says...
6:49pm Sat 10 May 08
You will be sadly missed by everyone , we love you loadsss, r.i.p babee,,, ****
Dennis, Australia says...
6:53pm Sat 10 May 08
hayley wright, mottingham says...
7:04pm Sat 10 May 08
secret, lee says...
7:11pm Sat 10 May 08
B, Bromley says...
7:26pm Sat 10 May 08
r.i.p Jimmy
WENDY BARRINGTON, LEE says...
7:46pm Sat 10 May 08
Rosemary, Eltham says...
7:50pm Sat 10 May 08
I cannot get my head round all this. It's not fair. I didn't known you that well but i spoke to you quite a bit...especially last night. You were so lovely Jimmy. You didn't deserve this. My thoughts and prayers go out to you and your family. You will be missed by everyone Jimmy. You will never be forgotten. Love Rosemary
xxxxxxxxxxxx
David S., London says...
7:52pm Sat 10 May 08
delete, says...
8:13pm Sat 10 May 08
David S. wrote:David why persist had make stupid comments. This is not the place to make judgments on the political matters. We all understand your concerns and again your points are valid, but here they are not. feel free to start your own blog. but please leave this section for friends to leave messages.
The problem can only be addressed if the problem is first acknowledged. Political coreectness is still too strong to allow this to happen so many many more youg people willd ie. I am not convineced that the politiacl corectness will ever go - so the murders in London will soon be in the hundreds of kids and then the thosands in 20 years. The Media will stop reporting them soon. Everyone knows what I mean, but anyone who mentions it will ahve theri comment removed, some have been removed already, I see. They last onl a few minutes here. so, if you want more to die delete this one too.
Thankyou
Heather, Lee says...
8:13pm Sat 10 May 08
Peter, London says...
8:37pm Sat 10 May 08
chris, Lee says...
8:48pm Sat 10 May 08
Having read the various news items on this, it seems that Jimmy was standing up for himself and others,against someone
who was prepared to behave in a violent and cowardly way.
As we all know, there are huge problems at the moment in London with knife crime, violence and a general breakdown in order - this is a real shame.
As someone who enjoys living in Lee - this is close to home.
The comments above are
incredibly supportive and having read them, and it seems Jimmy was a very popular, likeable and decent guy. Im very sad for Jimmy's family and friends.
Lets hope the culprit is caught and justice prevails.
Sparky, Clapham says...
9:30pm Sat 10 May 08
With multiple cultures vying for dominance, the difference between right and wrong is no longer clear. And how can it ever be when whats right in one culture can be wrong in another? What an Englishman inherently knows to be very wrong can be small beer to someone whos just touched down at Heathrow.
Were living under a tyranny of political correctness where challenging the ideology of multiculturalism will lead to you losing your job and being branded a fascist. Someone needs to challenge this vile ideology and it needs to come from the top. The Prime Minister or the Queen must defend free speach.
Abbs Family, says...
9:31pm Sat 10 May 08
s, eltham says...
9:34pm Sat 10 May 08
RIP jimmy
Barry, London says...
9:38pm Sat 10 May 08
Sarah, lee says...
10:01pm Sat 10 May 08
Marianne Bick, Lee says...
10:02pm Sat 10 May 08
I was angry, horrified, sad, frustrated and felt powerless at yet another senseless death of a very decent young man. Jimmy is the victim of our societys failings and inability to stop crime. I feel that 40 years of liberal education standards and the ever present meddling of the state has produced youngsters who want instant gratification and when denied it will resort to violence to get what they want. The failings lie squarely with society who turns a blind eye when minor infractions are committed or dare not speak up for fear of retaliation. Must not upset the little darlings when they are young with parents (whatever half is raising them) pandering to their offsprings whims and wishes for a quiet life instead of setting boundaries and teaching them that no means just that, NO, results in unruly adults unable to distinguish between right and wrong.
How many more Jimmys before this government stops talking about getting tough on crime. This community bold wants action against crime NOT WORDS.
Hugh E Torrance, London says...
10:05pm Sat 10 May 08
For Jimmy,I can say,those who lose their life will find it...those who find their life will lose it.
claire, Kent says...
10:11pm Sat 10 May 08
claire, Kent says...
10:13pm Sat 10 May 08
RJC, Lee says...
10:17pm Sat 10 May 08
Thoughts and Prayers with the family whom I know very well.
heloise, Eltham says...
10:19pm Sat 10 May 08
Lisa, SE London says...
10:20pm Sat 10 May 08
Max, Lee says...
10:37pm Sat 10 May 08
Lyle Howe, Lee, Burnt Ash Hill says...
10:40pm Sat 10 May 08
R.I.P - Jimmy Mizen
Miss Angry, says...
10:53pm Sat 10 May 08
paul godfrey wrote:A similar comment like the one in response to David by 'Delete'. This is not an obituary page, it is a comment page and it is not subject to the victim's friends and family only. People are angry! Your polite thankyou caused me some respect to remain quiet for awhile but now that you are trying to silence others into keeping their views to themselves I think it is you, Paul, who should show a little more tolerance and respect for people to have free speech and express their views on this site. If you still disagree please tell me where and when I should voice my views if not here on a comment page of a local paper?
Miss Angry wrote: Unless N/S has a technical problem I can only assume my comment was censored. I fully understand why people have a need to express their sorrow and sympathy at this sort of tragedy. But the media should also allow us to express our anger that this sort of thing keeps happening more and more frequently as the months tick by. Children are killing children, what is going on? Why is this happening on a regular basis and what needs to be done to deter this from ever happening again? This news is shocking and outrageous and a family and community are left reeling..what will our grand politicians do to STOP THIS happening again!!!!Please this is not time or place for your comments. They are valid, but please let people use this service to leave messages. Thankyou.
To the family and friends of the young man who tragically lost his life today my heart goes out to you, I can't imagine the pain and loss this tragedy has caused you. This should never ever ever have happened and there is something vastly wrong with this country for its youths to be able to reek such devastation on the lives of others, law and order must be an issue here as well, so please well wishers and mourners grant others space to air their views...this is terrible!!!
secret, se london says...
10:58pm Sat 10 May 08
Chris, Catford says...
11:13pm Sat 10 May 08
Your family will be in my thoughts and prayers; may you rest in peace.
Hugh E Torrance, London says...
11:25pm Sat 10 May 08
You are absolutely right... good post.
Mark, Lewisham says...
11:31pm Sat 10 May 08
Tim, South East London says...
11:50pm Sat 10 May 08
What on earth is going on?
My heart felt sympathies go out to the family.
When I was there age we had plenty of fights but not like this, we had punch ups and that was that.
Something has to be done.
Stop the talking and act now before other families are grieving a loved one.
It makes me sick that nothing is being done about this, there is plenty of talk and no action.
That is the fact. Members of Parliament should be ashamed of themselves.
The reason nothing is done is because they do not have children who grow up on the streets of London.
Get real and act.
sharon shuter, lewisham says...
11:57pm Sat 10 May 08
To much crime.. it gives u no faith in society.. Only on tuesday this week i was caught up trying 2 help people in a mass fight in leahurst road lewisham i was nearly stabbed they missed me and stabbed a young male what has happened 2 the world!!! he survived only a flesh wound god bless!!!!
Curious, SE London says...
12:17am Sun 11 May 08
Sparky wrote:WTF has this got to do with it?! I can only assume you have inside information that the person who killed this lad had "just touched down at Heathrow"? I hope you've informed the police. Perhaps not, perhaps you're just an idiot. And from Clapham...why are you even on this website?
Davids comment go to the heart of the matter.
With multiple cultures vying for dominance, the difference between right and wrong is no longer clear. And how can it ever be when whats right in one culture can be wrong in another? What an Englishman inherently knows to be very wrong can be small beer to someone whos just touched down at Heathrow.
Were living under a tyranny of political correctness where challenging the ideology of multiculturalism will lead to you losing your job and being branded a fascist. Someone needs to challenge this vile ideology and it needs to come from the top. The Prime Minister or the Queen must defend free speach.
Paul, home says...
12:36am Sun 11 May 08
Miss Angry wrote:I'm sorry Miss Angry that you feel i am trying to stop your freedom of speech, i do agree with everything you are saying as i say it myself. But it is choosing when to use that freedom of speech maybe i have taken the comments to heart because i was in the bakery and cannot shut out the shocking images that i witnessed today and the absolute despair on the faces off every one around me.
paul godfrey wrote:A similar comment like the one in response to David by \'Delete\'. This is not an obituary page, it is a comment page and it is not subject to the victim\'s friends and family only. People are angry! Your polite thankyou caused me some respect to remain quiet for awhile but now that you are trying to silence others into keeping their views to themselves I think it is you, Paul, who should show a little more tolerance and respect for people to have free speech and express their views on this site. If you still disagree please tell me where and when I should voice my views if not here on a comment page of a local paper?
Miss Angry wrote: Unless N/S has a technical problem I can only assume my comment was censored. I fully understand why people have a need to express their sorrow and sympathy at this sort of tragedy. But the media should also allow us to express our anger that this sort of thing keeps happening more and more frequently as the months tick by. Children are killing children, what is going on? Why is this happening on a regular basis and what needs to be done to deter this from ever happening again? This news is shocking and outrageous and a family and community are left reeling..what will our grand politicians do to STOP THIS happening again!!!!Please this is not time or place for your comments. They are valid, but please let people use this service to leave messages. Thankyou.
To the family and friends of the young man who tragically lost his life today my heart goes out to you, I can\'t imagine the pain and loss this tragedy has caused you. This should never ever ever have happened and there is something vastly wrong with this country for its youths to be able to reek such devastation on the lives of others, law and order must be an issue here as well, so please well wishers and mourners grant others space to air their views...this is terrible!!!
In response to your question where can we voice our freedom of speech, i think it would be good to have a forum that we can use to its full extent.
Thanks
cassie, bromley says...
12:46am Sun 11 May 08
It makes me sick that nothing is being done about this, there is plenty of talk and no action...Members of Parliament should be ashamed of themselves.
yes tim, well said, i totally agree
rip jimmy mizen, love and sincere condolences to your family and friends x
Jester, says...
1:11am Sun 11 May 08
Zero tolerance, Mister Johnson. The decent people of London DEMAND it.
Get the scum off the streets NOW!
Rachel, says...
1:28am Sun 11 May 08
rip, LEE says...
2:14am Sun 11 May 08
JUST CNAT HELP THINKING WHO WILL BE NEXT , THE STREETS ARE NOT SAFE ANYMORE
RIP JIMMY
Lesley, Lee says...
2:54am Sun 11 May 08
RIP Jimmy.
My thoughts are with the family and those that are affected by this tragic death.
stand together or die alone, Chislehurst says...
8:21am Sun 11 May 08
But blaming the politicians the police or a multi racial society is just ridiculas ! No amount of police presence on our streets and no increase in sentancing etc etc etc, is going to stop some young thug losing it, taking a weapon and then taking someones life.
This is a direct result of society not caring, a society which allows pensioners to die in their homes undiscovered for days weeks and sometimes even months, a society where a man can lie dead in a busy market square and no one even care enough to check on him.
Jimmy cared enough, he cared enough to step in and try and calm down a difficult situation, he paid for that with his life. If a few more of us cared enough there would be no hiding place for the killers and the scum would be handed over in a matter of hours to face justice, which itself is a joke, but thats another story.
Oh and b4 someone tries to tell me this doesnt belong here.....its a web page to comment on the story, not an obituary page, it is you that are in the wrong.
anon, orpington says...
8:49am Sun 11 May 08
RIP Jimmy and to the family and friends of this young man my sincere condolences for your tragic loss, be strong for each other.
pink, bexley says...
9:28am Sun 11 May 08
Like i say tragic loss but this country is full of sponge brains who think joining any gang is great 2 words for people like that
"NO HOPERS"
Max, England says...
10:38am Sun 11 May 08
We as a people have become weak, easily-led, undisciplined, lazy, uncaring, aimless, selfish and materialistic. We have lost that oneness that made us unique; put bluntly we are non-British when judged against past British societies: And that was always the plan and we swallowed it hook, line and sinker without even lifting so much as a little finger in our own defence.
We must awake to what has happened, and guard against what will happen in the future. We must unite and stand fast against this tyranny, and these tyrants who care only for their own selfish aims.
When I read that story of that young lad my blood literally boiled as I have a 15 year old son myself, and the thought of him not coming home from just going to the shops, and breathing his last on some shop floor saturated in his own blood drives me insane.
I want change, I want the scum removed from society, I want justice and I want retribution!
I want Britain to be British!
And God willing, one day I will have it.
max
Peter Folkes, London says...
10:43am Sun 11 May 08
ex-liberal, watford says...
10:52am Sun 11 May 08
Peter Folkes wrote:Just what I was thinking. If they gave his race it would narrow things down a bit.
Why is there no description of the killer don`t they want to catch him.
Dan, london says...
10:53am Sun 11 May 08
Perhaps there could be a more accurate description, which would help find this person ?
Sue, Bromley says...
11:51am Sun 11 May 08
The article say's the suspect was seen heading towards Burnt Ash Lane, Well that may explain why who ever is deleteing comments and calling people stupid is trying to stop comments as such.
Newsshopper appear to operate a news blackout on this area, they rarely report on anything down here. The 'gangs' are here from all over, drug dealing done openly on occassions and decent peoples lives made a misery because they have to put up with it.
I will be surprised if this comment is not deleted also.
So newsshopper, why?
Kinalp, Dorking says...
12:09pm Sun 11 May 08
Rip Jimmy Mizen and my thoughts and prayers go out to you and your famiiy at this time.
Miss Angry, says...
12:10pm Sun 11 May 08
S.T.O.D.A. and Max I work in the rescue services and our main objective is to save lives. Britain is FULL of GOOD people who still have a good sense of morals and standards. I work among many courageous and willing people who I would trust with my life. I do agree with you that society is at fault here, but also the system we are under as a whole has some bearing on the downward spiral of moral decency. You cannot blame the police, the politician or the public alone, but as a whole in its failure to discourage serious crime. We do need to act as a whole, re-educate people on scruples and tighten up the legal system and policing system, (cut out the bull'), that would support the police and society as a whole!
But finally the ultimate blame and penalty must rest heavily on the shoulders of the killer himself. I hope he is caught and convicted asap!
Ali, Eltham says...
12:20pm Sun 11 May 08
H, says...
12:21pm Sun 11 May 08
com/group.php?gid=21
133200118&ref=share
Join the RIP Jimmy Mizen group & show your support, pay your respects.
Sarah Davies, Lee says...
12:29pm Sun 11 May 08
We should not use this dreadful crime to make political points. However, a much loved young man has lost his life and a family has been destroyed.
His killer has to be caught and stopped from doing it again to another family. That surely is more important than political correctness.
Sarah Davies, Lee says...
12:48pm Sun 11 May 08
http://tinyurl.com/5
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Stranger, Da1 says...
12:49pm Sun 11 May 08
A couple of weeks ago i watched Casualty 1907 and in the titles at the beginning it claimed that murder by stabbing or gun was a frequent occurence in the streets of London even back then. Things haven't changed. What has chaned is that now these crimes are reported more widely and faster. Thus a crime that occurs at 9.00 am will be in the news by 10.00 am.
My sympathies go out to the family of this young man. Nothing will ever replace him and the pain will never go away.
Dave, London se says...
1:09pm Sun 11 May 08
does anyone have a better idea what the suspect looked like hight colour ect?
Sarah Davies, Lee says...
1:13pm Sun 11 May 08
However, the fact is that the numbers of children murdered on our streets are escalating beyond anything in living memory.
Stabbings and murder may have been common in 1907 before the welfare state and at a time of mass poverty.
However, that was not the case in 1957, 1967 or 1977, in fact even ten years ago it was nothing like it is today.
Anna M, alfjjddk says...
1:24pm Sun 11 May 08
Emma, Eltham says...
1:27pm Sun 11 May 08
Why is the discription so vague when there were so many witnesses, 24 hours after this happened?
RIP Jimmy, taken way before your time. What a tragic waste of life.
Love and prayers to his family for your loss.
god help us, says...
1:27pm Sun 11 May 08
It is a disgrace inflicted on us all by the liberal fascists.
H, says...
1:28pm Sun 11 May 08
Tina, London says...
1:39pm Sun 11 May 08
Dave, London se says...
1:39pm Sun 11 May 08
rhory fraser, blackheath says...
1:47pm Sun 11 May 08
nat, says...
2:19pm Sun 11 May 08
Max wrote:Well said!
We are living in a violent third world cesspit, and the future will not get any better I can assure you if those who have ruled over us for the past few decades are allowed to continue in their mission and desire to bring about the total destruction of British society. We as a people have become weak, easily-led, undisciplined, lazy, uncaring, aimless, selfish and materialistic. We have lost that oneness that made us unique; put bluntly we are non-British when judged against past British societies: And that was always the plan and we swallowed it hook, line and sinker without even lifting so much as a little finger in our own defence. We must awake to what has happened, and guard against what will happen in the future. We must unite and stand fast against this tyranny, and these tyrants who care only for their own selfish aims. When I read that story of that young lad my blood literally boiled as I have a 15 year old son myself, and the thought of him not coming home from just going to the shops, and breathing his last on some shop floor saturated in his own blood drives me insane. I want change, I want the scum removed from society, I want justice and I want retribution! I want Britain to be British! And God willing, one day I will have it. max
RIP Jim xxx
Sian, Welling says...
2:21pm Sun 11 May 08
Dradford, Londonistan says...
2:26pm Sun 11 May 08
Am I correct in saying that ALL of the murders by 'youths' in London this year, were committed by non-white 'youths'?
Sue, says...
2:27pm Sun 11 May 08
There appears to have been plenty of witnesses, so why is there not a description?
Emma is quite right, a description should go out while this horrific murder is still fresh in peoples minds. Sat morning, lots of people were around, someone could have seen something away from the scene. The scum went somewhere, there were lots of people on Burnt Ash Lane also who could have seen something if he is in that vicinity. Doesn't matter if he's black or white, the white kids go round talking and walking like blacks anyway, hoods up so you cant see their faces, cowards that they are. Scum is scum in any colour or race.
angus, uk says...
2:41pm Sun 11 May 08
Sue, says...
2:41pm Sun 11 May 08
It was not gang related but a very vicious unprovoked attack.
Dave, London se says...
2:47pm Sun 11 May 08
they are helping the suspect.
Ali, Eltham says...
3:24pm Sun 11 May 08
Colin Smith, SE London says...
3:42pm Sun 11 May 08
I description of the attacker would be useful. The omission of a description is the same old press and polcie censorship we have become so famliar with.
Col
Awake To This, 712-028 says...
3:44pm Sun 11 May 08
It is the controlled media who are setting up a race war- mark my words- they have no love of black people.
I am not white. :)
Sue, Bromley says...
3:55pm Sun 11 May 08
To Awake: It really doesn't matter what colour he is, it's hard to tell the difference these days, scum is scum in any colour or race.
So police lets have a description and lets find him.
Dee, Kidbrooke says...
4:03pm Sun 11 May 08
RIP Jimmy x
A Mother and fellow Christian, says...
4:06pm Sun 11 May 08
To be with him on high.
To be with his other Angels,
To soar across the sky.
The lives you've touched we will cherish,
The memories of your gentle heart.
Knowing, but not understanding, why You had to part.
We'll miss your sunshine smile
But knowing all the while
That you'll be there to greet us
When we walk our last mile.
The Heavens have a brighter light,
Because you're glowing there.
Free, from this world, with no burdens
Left to bear.
You reached out to others with tender
Loving care.
But God has called you home,
Because, he missed you there.
To Jimmy's Parents, I am so so sorry for the loss of your Son.
I hope your Faith in the Lord will help You with the great pain and sadness You are feeling.
This was not God's will, Remember the shortest verse in the Bible "God wept", well Our Lord is crying with You today.
God bless you, You will be in my Prayers xx
JD, london says...
4:12pm Sun 11 May 08
Or someone at least post it to help catch this sick monster before he strikes again.
Mary, Sidcup Kent says...
4:15pm Sun 11 May 08
I still dont know why,
why were you chosen,
Why did you have to die.
Surely its wrong,
and god was mistaken,
Or does he insist,
its only the best that are taken.
RIP Young man, i didnt know you or you family but this is just so sad and i felt i needing to write something X X X
Peter, Canada says...
4:19pm Sun 11 May 08
My deepest condolences to his family.
I too was a victim of several street attacks whilst in London but it happens alot everywhere.
In the past 8 years i've seen a huge increase in senseless murders involving completely innocent people in Ontario/Canada.
You CAN'T legislate against them.
It doesn't make ANY difference who you vote for.
You'd have to be mind reader to know who is going to commit murder.
It's just a horrible sign of the times.
SE London, SE London says...
4:23pm Sun 11 May 08
cs, eltham says...
4:33pm Sun 11 May 08
Sarah Davies, Lee says...
5:02pm Sun 11 May 08
In a multi-racial city, a description which gives only age and sex is not a description.
The Eye of Mordor, watford says...
5:14pm Sun 11 May 08
McLerh, says...
5:15pm Sun 11 May 08
s being used for murder suspects now? By god, the worlds gone mad.
Jenny, Blackheath says...
5:15pm Sun 11 May 08
Tony, Eltham says...
6:40pm Sun 11 May 08
Jeremy Pender, Market Weighton, East Riding of Yorkshire says...
6:42pm Sun 11 May 08
ne.co.uk/tol/news/uk
/crime/article391167
3.ece, you'll see that the police already know who they want. It's just that he's gone into hiding! That said, it would have helped if one of Detective Chief Inspector Lyons's people had been able to spare us a moment today for a quick update.
Sue, Bromley says...
6:54pm Sun 11 May 08
IF he is in the BURNT ASH ROAD areaI'm sure the decent people living in and around would soon tell police if he was seen.
SHAME ON THE PERSON/PEOPLE WHO ARE SHIELDING HIM, BE IT FAMILY OR FRIEND, WOULD YOU BE SO QUICK TO HIDE HIM IF IT WAS ONE OF YOUR KIDS??
Matt J, says...
7:00pm Sun 11 May 08
Pat, Lee says...
7:21pm Sun 11 May 08
Sue, Bromley says...
7:21pm Sun 11 May 08
He is still a very dangerous individual with a very nasty streak in him and he needs to be taken out of circulation.
A full and detailed description is required. The police are saying they want the publics help to catch this low life, then give us some help please, and tell us exactly what we are looking for.
natalie, woodyates lee says...
7:35pm Sun 11 May 08
Sue wrote:SO SO true this scum may have done it but the person shielding him are just as bad..... He is a local lad this road is not like bromley or lewisham you really only go into them shops if your local. He ran into the red brick estate and he knew that well cause he vanished so he knew where to go... Now that estate people keep themselves to themselves but i would not be surprised if they come from there as i do see alot of young males hanging on the estate up to know good YOU PEOPLE OUT THERE WHO KNOW YOUR JUST AS BAD. You may be bragging to your mates and you may think your free but soon your be in prison and when you come out no one willl give you a job and if anyone has got any sense know one will talk to you.. so you have ruined your life and someone elses GOOD ONE!!!!!
DCI Lyons did give an interview on sky this afternoon, I got the impression he knew who he was looking for and he also said a number of properties had been searched, BUT my point is if they were to give a full description or better still a name in connection with this awful crime then it would enable the local people to help and keep an eye out.
IF he is in the BURNT ASH ROAD areaI\\\\\\\'m sure the decent people living in and around would soon tell police if he was seen.
SHAME ON THE PERSON/PEOPLE WHO ARE SHIELDING HIM, BE IT FAMILY OR FRIEND, WOULD YOU BE SO QUICK TO HIDE HIM IF IT WAS ONE OF YOUR KIDS??
Jeremy Pender, Market Weighton, East Riding of Yorkshire says...
7:35pm Sun 11 May 08
"Hello. It looks from several of the reader postings at http://www.newsshopp
er.co.uk/news/topsto
ries/display.var.226
2339.0.0.php that you have the makings of a public-relations problem, and you or one of your staff may now care to take the opportunity to try to put things right."
Gem, says...
7:41pm Sun 11 May 08
Paul wrote:Hello PAUL . Is it possible that you may be THE WITNESS police are looking for?
Miss Angry wrote:I'm sorry Miss Angry that you feel i am trying to stop your freedom of speech, i do agree with everything you are saying as i say it myself. But it is choosing when to use that freedom of speech maybe i have taken the comments to heart because i was in the bakery and cannot shut out the shocking images that i witnessed today and the absolute despair on the faces off every one around me. In response to your question where can we voice our freedom of speech, i think it would be good to have a forum that we can use to its full extent. Thankspaul godfrey wrote:A similar comment like the one in response to David by \'Delete\'. This is not an obituary page, it is a comment page and it is not subject to the victim\'s friends and family only. People are angry! Your polite thankyou caused me some respect to remain quiet for awhile but now that you are trying to silence others into keeping their views to themselves I think it is you, Paul, who should show a little more tolerance and respect for people to have free speech and express their views on this site. If you still disagree please tell me where and when I should voice my views if not here on a comment page of a local paper? To the family and friends of the young man who tragically lost his life today my heart goes out to you, I can\'t imagine the pain and loss this tragedy has caused you. This should never ever ever have happened and there is something vastly wrong with this country for its youths to be able to reek such devastation on the lives of others, law and order must be an issue here as well, so please well wishers and mourners grant others space to air their views...this is terrible!!!Miss Angry wrote: Unless N/S has a technical problem I can only assume my comment was censored. I fully understand why people have a need to express their sorrow and sympathy at this sort of tragedy. But the media should also allow us to express our anger that this sort of thing keeps happening more and more frequently as the months tick by. Children are killing children, what is going on? Why is this happening on a regular basis and what needs to be done to deter this from ever happening again? This news is shocking and outrageous and a family and community are left reeling..what will our grand politicians do to STOP THIS happening again!!!!Please this is not time or place for your comments. They are valid, but please let people use this service to leave messages. Thankyou.
Andyj, Wigan, UK says...
8:11pm Sun 11 May 08
The race arguments over political correctness will then be moot.
Poor kid :(
Michael, London says...
8:49pm Sun 11 May 08
Barry, London says...
9:03pm Sun 11 May 08
Sarah Davies wrote:I have looked into crime in the past and have a degree in History. The 1907 generation are no longer with us to contradict the suggestion you make. I do it for them. Murder (and stabbings)were far rarer in 1907 in London than all the other dates given. Poverty has got nothing to do with it. Violent crime is much higher now, and the killings of teenageres by other teenagers was rare over the the last 1000 years in Britain, but is escaling raidly over the last few years, though in only a few areas so far. There is certainly nothing similar occuring in Germany and Switzerland, two countries I know well.
With due respect stranger but whenever, these things happen we are always told that our society has always been violent. However, the fact is that the numbers of children murdered on our streets are escalating beyond anything in living memory. Stabbings and murder may have been common in 1907 before the welfare state and at a time of mass poverty. However, that was not the case in 1957, 1967 or 1977, in fact even ten years ago it was nothing like it is today.
Waspy, says...
9:26pm Sun 11 May 08
If the race of the suspect goes without saying then why did they mention a middle-aged white witness?
Why give the race of the witness but not the race of the attacker?
Sarah Davies, Lee says...
9:27pm Sun 11 May 08
Michael wrote:Either you have been living on a separate planet or you are being deliberately disingenuous. For the last twenty years it has become routine for the press to seek to suppress the race of a suspect when that suspect is non white.
There have been some suggestions here that the killer may not be White. This is impoosible as there were eyewitnesses and the police have issued a statlement that they see a 'male youth'. This assumes a White male or else the police would be guilty of issuing a description that would be misleading and therefore endangering peoples lives. It is, perhaps, the case that 'white male' should have been used, but everyone knows that this must be the case, it is implied, after all the country is over 90 per cent White. The police and the government would not lay down false trails and try to help the killer - surely no one here believes the government and the police want the killer to escape. They have also not said that there may have been a rcist motive which they always do when the kiiller and victim are of different races, for eaxample the Stephen Lawrence murder. People should have more faith in our government.
This is especially the case when the victim is white.
They believe that by seeking to downplay the level of non-white violence particularly against whites, they are promoting community cohesion.
The killer could be white, but the fact that his race has not been disclosed suggests otherwise.
Sam, says...
9:32pm Sun 11 May 08
Waspy wrote:Presumably because the description of the witness will clarify who they mean and encourage that person to come forward.
@Michael, 8:49pm If the race of the suspect goes without saying then why did they mention a middle-aged white witness? Why give the race of the witness but not the race of the attacker?
The race/description of the suspect is not required to help identify him because the police already know who he is.
Waspy, says...
9:44pm Sun 11 May 08
Sam wrote:They might know who he is but they don't have him in custody.
Waspy wrote:Presumably because the description of the witness will clarify who they mean and encourage that person to come forward.
@Michael, 8:49pm If the race of the suspect goes without saying then why did they mention a middle-aged white witness? Why give the race of the witness but not the race of the attacker?
The race/description of the suspect is not required to help identify him because the police already know who he is.
The description should be given to alert other people in the area. If they spot the suspect they can then contact the police.
By not given an detailed description they are making it harder to capture him.
Martin, martin.baker@yahoo.c
om says...
9:50pm Sun 11 May 08
Louise, SW7 says...
9:52pm Sun 11 May 08
We've lost another good guy from this world.
Rest well Jimmy xx
Sam, says...
10:10pm Sun 11 May 08
The description should be given to alert other people in the area. If they spot the suspect they can then contact the police.
By not given an detailed description they are making it harder to capture him.
But saying it's a 'white male' or 'black male' of a certain age won't assist people in spotting him in the area! If he has no obvious identifying features then what's the point? Either description is general enough to identify many people.
Harry, London says...
10:22pm Sun 11 May 08
A. Beggs, South London says...
8:56am Mon 12 May 08
Do we really need to know? I`m sure the police have their reasons.
London is a beacon of integration. Let`s keep it that way.
The killer`s race is irrelevant if the police know who he is anyway.
We don`t want everyone going off accusing the wrong people and end up with the nazi BNP getting press out of this. Let`s keep the fascists away, and maintain some dignity in this terrible act.
I`m sure God knows who the killer is and I believe he will be punished by God for his evil act.
G, says...
8:57am Mon 12 May 08
anon, chislehurst says...
9:26am Mon 12 May 08
Stephanie, Lee Green says...
10:07am Mon 12 May 08
K, Eltham says...
10:57am Mon 12 May 08
As a past student of St Thomas More, it is devastating to think that this young man will miss out on all of the fun of his last week at school, and my thoughts will be with all the other young people who will doubtlessly have a confusing and challenging week and time ahead.
I don't want to be drawn into the political debate, as I don't think this is the forum to raise these issues, but Boris please take note. This is clearly not a young man involved in this sort of lifestyle. Less beaurocracy so the police can actually get on with the jobs and tougher punishments for the monsters who feel this is acceptable behaviour.
Rest in peace Jimmy and God bless to all of your family and friends. You're all in our prayers x
Just Me, says...
11:23am Mon 12 May 08
this is someones child, like all the youngesters out there. pain doesnt have a colour. It only breaks heart.
God bless young man.
Sylvester, Kent says...
12:07pm Mon 12 May 08
G wrote:Really, Germany, Switzerland, Sweden etc. have all the things you mention, but not the murders - they are not the reasons.
Vern, I blame a combination of the lot: Parents, Society, Government, Schools, Legal System, Police and the list goes on. There are defects in every one of the areas above that create and exacerbate the problem! Put all those negative forces together and add some alcohol and drugs and you have a cocktail for violent disaster. You cannot realistically blame any single element of the above, there are always underlying factors.
Robert Mugabe, London says...
12:31pm Mon 12 May 08
quote
Augustus, London says...
1:37pm Mon 12 May 08
sarah, blackheath says...
1:46pm Mon 12 May 08
WE CAN ALL ARGUE BUT HOWEVER I IS NOT ABOUT WHO IS I RIGHT OR WRONG IT IS THE TRUTH
A mum, says...
2:01pm Mon 12 May 08
Robert Mugabe wrote:In what way? Please elaborate.
He struggles to hold down a job and is volatile and violent and seems to admire this gang culture. So this is my fault? Where did I go wrong? You were dishonestquote
Your Lord, Erastus Theobald Piggott, says...
2:17pm Mon 12 May 08
LEARN FROM HISTORY AND START BLAMING THE POLITICIANS, NOT EACH OTHER.
Posted by Lord Erastus Theobald Piggott at 2:04pm today.
Your Lord, Erastus Theobald Piggott
Lisa, Se London says...
3:05pm Mon 12 May 08
In respect of the comments made regarding race attacks and black on black crime, I can not see what this has to do with this story. This is really not the time or the place to dicuss these kind of issues. I do understand that people have freedom of speech but have some consideration for his family and friends who may read this. Why do they want to read these kind of comments.
RIP Jimmy hope you sleep soundly.
Lizzielooloo, says...
3:45pm Mon 12 May 08
David, London says...
3:51pm Mon 12 May 08
Lisa, Se London says...
4:07pm Mon 12 May 08
I am not disagreeing with any of the comments made or am |I trying to hide away from things. I just feel that this is not the time.
I also know of people who have been killed in a senseless way and my heart goes out to Jimmy's family and friends.
Scot, Edinburgh says...
4:55pm Mon 12 May 08
Scot
Jerzy Gawor, Eltham says...
5:06pm Mon 12 May 08
Sharon, London says...
5:09pm Mon 12 May 08
Sharon, London says...
5:29pm Mon 12 May 08
natalie, lee says...
5:35pm Mon 12 May 08
The reason why are young are getting killed is because prison is a summer camp. prison are running out of space and money so sentences are short these kids know the score they arent scared of prison life is not life.... you take someone life then so should yours.... if we has something in place that would scare these kids and they knew that if they murder someone then they loose there life then im sure they would think twice
Sisyphus, Bromley says...
11:01pm Mon 12 May 08
Scot wrote:What an idiot. Do you really think the police need anyone's help in finding out who did this? They know perfectly well. A 'description' in the media would be of absolutely no use whatsoever. I am six foot tall, of medium build, white, have blue eyes, and short brown hair. I expect a tap on my shoulder tomorrow when you recognise me on the streets of London.
It makes one wonder if the Police and Authorities really want to apprehend the vermin who perpetrated this devilish crime. If the best they can do, with so many witnesses, is 'male youth', the Policeman in charge of the hunt must face charges of Dereliction of Duty, unless a good reason is forthcoming for the apparent restriction on information the public may expect to be informed of,
Scot
The media should only report a person's race when it's relevant to a story. In crime stories, this can often be because the police have issued an appeal for information. Here they don't need information. They will have specifically stated they wanted the white witness because they wanted to make it clear to that person exactly who they are asking for - and this won't be so they can ask who did it, it'll be to gather evidence for when this murderer is caught and tried.
sorry, 839-026 says...
12:20am Tue 13 May 08
Sad, Sidcup says...
7:28am Tue 13 May 08
charlotte, Bromley says...
2:30pm Tue 13 May 08
I used to live in Ladywell and was there for most of my younger years and from what I grew up with you shouldn't tar everyone by the same brush. Everyone deserves a chance however, there must be some kind of explination of this crime.
One thing I cannot stand is that sentences nowadays are by far unfair shouldn't a life be for a life??
Why is it that life for someone of say the age of 15 be just 15 years - Surely they should serve life?? People don't change, in the sense once screwed up always screwed up - Who in their 'RIGHT' mind would selfishly and brutely murder a young guy who was only trying to help?
Why the hell can't this world just sort itself out, when I was younger I never worried about things like knives and guns (although they were around) because it was not in the public eye as much - I think that over the last few years it has been so sad to see all these lives gone as fast as seconds go.
I am so glad I have grown up and saw my errors of being young, although with that I now have the worry of my younger brothers as ages are getting younger and younger for crime.
I agree with peoples comments on descriptions, honestly if they really really wanted to find this guy they would be notifying everyone as much information as possible, the person who committed this nasty and discusting crime knows who they are so giving a description wont make him go in to hiding no more then he probably already has (if that makes sense)
I just hope it won't take too long because Lee as a community will now be living in fear of all the youngsters that may now be at risk.
I just hope that once the killer is found they give the correct sentence taking in to account they have committed murder & also has now gone on the run!
Also why be given the choice of another identity? Surely once they screwed that up they don't deserve another chance - The poor childrena dn adults that have been murdered have not had the choice??
I hope something changes and fast because it seems youths are taking over!!!
charlotte, Bromley says...
2:31pm Tue 13 May 08
I used to live in Ladywell and was there for most of my younger years and from what I grew up with you shouldn't tar everyone by the same brush. Everyone deserves a chance however, there must be some kind of explination of this crime.
One thing I cannot stand is that sentences nowadays are by far unfair shouldn't a life be for a life??
Why is it that life for someone of say the age of 15 be just 15 years - Surely they should serve life?? People don't change, in the sense once screwed up always screwed up - Who in their 'RIGHT' mind would selfishly and brutely murder a young guy who was only trying to help?
Why the hell can't this world just sort itself out, when I was younger I never worried about things like knives and guns (although they were around) because it was not in the public eye as much - I think that over the last few years it has been so sad to see all these lives gone as fast as seconds go.
I am so glad I have grown up and saw my errors of being young, although with that I now have the worry of my younger brothers as ages are getting younger and younger for crime.
I agree with peoples comments on descriptions, honestly if they really really wanted to find this guy they would be notifying everyone as much information as possible, the person who committed this nasty and discusting crime knows who they are so giving a description wont make him go in to hiding no more then he probably already has (if that makes sense)
I just hope it won't take too long because Lee as a community will now be living in fear of all the youngsters that may now be at risk.
I just hope that once the killer is found they give the correct sentence taking in to account they have committed murder & also has now gone on the run!
Also why be given the choice of another identity? Surely once they screwed that up they don't deserve another chance - The poor childrena dn adults that have been murdered have not had the choice??
I hope something changes and fast because it seems youths are taking over!!!
charlotte, Bromley says...
2:36pm Tue 13 May 08
Melissa, Eltham says...
4:05pm Tue 13 May 08
Sinic, london says...
11:16am Wed 14 May 08
Anything to say all those who were so sure he was black?
Sisyphus, Bromley says...
1:27pm Wed 14 May 08
Sinic wrote:We're waiting...
White youth arrested Anything to say all those who were so sure he was black?
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...still waiting...
Sisyphus, Bromley says...
2:57pm Wed 14 May 08
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Sinic, london says...
7:01pm Wed 14 May 08
Rip Jimmy
Sisyphus, Bromley says...
7:36pm Wed 14 May 08
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...no apology from any of them. Not one. Disgraceful. How do you sleep at night knowing you tried to use this poor lad's tragic death to vent some of your vile hate? Hate, I might add, that is totally unjustified and misdirected.
steve, Bromley says...
10:47pm Wed 14 May 08
I feel you need to be corrected as the person is not white, Anglo turkish to be accurate, where did you get that information from? I could almost hear the sigh of relief in your post.
Maybe all the attention has the media's is, has now been directed upon the murdered suspected 10 strong gang rape member in Oxford street?
Sinic, london says...
7:40am Thu 15 May 08
point is HE ISNT BLACK!
re the oxford st muredr...shocking i too read about the victim having been charged with his alledged part in that awful gang rape. two men have been arrested for that murder now i believe, it may have been a revenge attack for his part in that rape, but as he had only been charged not convicted we will never know.
working, sidcup says...
10:09am Thu 15 May 08
Sisyphus wrote:Mmmm, where are all those people now whi instantly 'assumed' it was a black boy responsible for this tragedy? It is amazing that you cannot come forward now and admit that you were wrong and take back the disgusting comments you made! However, it does not surprise me, seems to be a regular opinion of some of you, so I guess through your ignorance, you know no better!
Sinic wrote: White youth arrested Anything to say all those who were so sure he was black?We\'re waiting... ... ... ... ... ...still waiting...
steve, says...
12:06pm Thu 15 May 08
working, sidcup says...
1:16pm Thu 15 May 08
The issue here was a boy was murdered and this is tragic whether the suspect was red, green, orange, mauve etc!
William, London says...
2:44pm Thu 15 May 08
William, London says...
2:48pm Thu 15 May 08
Sisyphus, Bromley says...
2:59pm Thu 15 May 08
William wrote:Why should we come up with an excuse for them? Let them answer for themselves.
And please come up with something better than they are racist.
working, sidcup says...
3:05pm Thu 15 May 08
William wrote:Well, if they are not racist maybe you can tell me what it is?
And please come up with something better than they are racist.
I'm sure you are going to trot out that it is because every murder you hear about involves a black person!
However, there have supposedly been 100 murders this year and one of those victims was a 69 year old woman. I know for a fact I have not seen 100 reported on the news and I have definately not heard of the 69 year old being killed! Is that because the press only report the ones they want us to hear, thereby encouraging the perception they want people to have?
I'm sure you will not say this is the case, and that is your opinion. However, I will not sit back and read the comments I have seen on here, without responding!
One of the comments I read was so bad I had to report it. But hey, I guess in some people's opinion these comments are aceeptable, but in mine they are not!
So, without telling me how many black murders there have been, because I am already well aware of this, you tell me why this assumption was automatically made?
Paedophiles generally come from a certain grouping, but I would not instantly make an assumption of people if a child went missing!
William, London says...
3:23pm Thu 15 May 08
working, sidcup says...
3:35pm Thu 15 May 08
William wrote:I did not make the comments, I merely read them and was offended by them. It is my opinion that some of these people are racist. Therefore, I do not need to ask myself why they made these assumptions, I have said what I believe. The gist I get from you is that they are right to make these assumptions, so as I said, you tell me?!
That\'s a good way to answer a question, ask the exact same question back.
William, London says...
3:49pm Thu 15 May 08
As for their assumptions, maybe it's because we all know someone that's been mugged at knifepoint on the streets by black youths, maybe it's because black youths are responsible for a lot of crime on our streets, and yes before you say it, so are many white youths, but why are the young offenders institutes full of black youths? The percentage ratio is much higher than white youths. Maybe that's why people made the assumption and maybe because the original report was someone was stabbed. With all the media reports of the deaths this year,nearly all have involved black youths. Maybe this is where the assumptions came from, or maybe you're right they're just racis. I dont know.
Sisyphus, Bromley says...
4:12pm Thu 15 May 08
It is a very big question and one that will not be answered by a string of unfocused and unthinking readers comments on a local newspaper website (Im not necessarily including you in that William, at least youve had the decency to engage after this lads arrest).
There are massive problems of inequality in our society, massive problems for families communities, schools, councils, the government etc to address. They will not be addressed if communities dont work together.
It does not follow that the simple fact that young black men occupy a disproportionate amount of bed-space in our prisons and young offenders institutes means that young black men are more disposed to committing crime by will, genes or some uncontrollable emotion.
I know that no one other than the really vile bottom-of-the-barrel racists who still exist in society actually believes this is. So, part of what I think working from Sidcup is saying is that people should beware about getting sucked into the kind of knee-jerk reactions weve seen on this thread, and step back and consider a) some of the bigger questions about how our society operates and b) the consequences of the things they say.
Working, sidcup says...
4:22pm Thu 15 May 08
William wrote:Yep, you're right, I made an assumption, and I can admit I did! I feel no shame, as I have not spouted the filth others have.
Aha, and now you are doing exactly what they done, making the wrong assumption, shame on you. Of course they were wrong, 100%. But he does come from foreign extraction will be thier next argument. As for their assumptions, maybe it\'s because we all know someone that\'s been mugged at knifepoint on the streets by black youths, maybe it\'s because black youths are responsible for a lot of crime on our streets, and yes before you say it, so are many white youths, but why are the young offenders institutes full of black youths? The percentage ratio is much higher than white youths. Maybe that\'s why people made the assumption and maybe because the original report was someone was stabbed. With all the media reports of the deaths this year,nearly all have involved black youths. Maybe this is where the assumptions came from, or maybe you\'re right they\'re just racis. I dont know.
He may also come from a foreign extraction as you put it, however, I bet he has lived and been educated here most of his life, so what does the foreign extraction prove? I know people who have been robbed by black and white people and at no time have I said black people do not commit offences, or are involved in gangs, my point is with regards to the assumptions made, but you miss my point. I am black, if I was murdered tomorrow is it ok for people to make the assumption that they are not interested in my death because I'm black as has been insinuated on this page? I work, own my property, am not in a gang and have never attacked anyone, but as I'm black it's ok to makee that assumption?
Furthermore, you talk about young offender institutes being full of black youths. I wonder why that is? My son was robbed and threatened, I took him to the police station to report this, but suddenly he was not the victim, he was the perpetrator and it was assumed he was in a gang. He was questioned by the police without me and accused of lying and threatened with arrest! It's ok though, we are guilty until proven innocent. Again, he was racially abused by someone, however when reported, he was perceived as in the wrong and the one who got into trouble, not the person who abused him even though there were witnesses to corroborate what had taken place!
Perceptions, perceptions!
Sisyphus, Bromley says...
10:40pm Thu 15 May 08
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working, sidcup says...
8:53am Fri 16 May 08
Sisyphus wrote:Well, don't hold your breath because it appears there wont be one! Seems these people who had so much to say when they thought their opinions were justified, have vanished off the face of the earth!!
...and we\'re still waiting for those apologies... ... ...... .........
William, London says...
2:45pm Fri 16 May 08
be careful how you quote. I didn't say he was of foreign extraction. What I said was, that's what the racist ones will say next, small point but you should know the way things get twisted on here.
sophie davies, bromley says...
3:15pm Fri 16 May 08
sophie davies, bromley says...
3:17pm Fri 16 May 08
working, sidcup says...
3:34pm Fri 16 May 08
William wrote:William, I never said you said it, so please accept my apologies if it came across that way. I was just using the term you said would be their next arguement.
'working' be careful how you quote. I didn't say he was of foreign extraction. What I said was, that's what the racist ones will say next, small point but you should know the way things get twisted on here.
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1:55am Sat 17 May 08
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2:24pm Sat 10 May 08