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Update: Teenager stabbed to death in fight
2:00pm Wednesday 20th February 2008
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A 16-YEAR-OLD stabbed to death in Plumstead is the fifth teenager to be killed in London this year.
Police have launched a murder investigation after the fatal stabbing incident in Invermore Place, Plumstead, at around 4.15pm yesterday.
The victim - a 16-year-old black youth - has not yet been formally identified.
He was pronounced dead at the scene at 4.54pm.
Paul Whisker, 53, a meter reader, who lives in Invermore Place, found the boy bleeding in the road and called the emergency services.
He said: "I came home from work about 4.30pm. He was in the road and obviously in distress.
"He was trying to stand up but he couldn't. I called the ambulance on my mobile phone.
"A man was there with a medical bag and he was trying to put pressure on the boy's back.
"We just stuck with him until the ambulance came and kept him on his side.
"After a few minutes I don't think he was alive any more. You can only assume it was a stabbing, there was so much blood."
A spokesman from Greenwich College, in Plumstead Road, said a boy came in at around 3pm saying he and his friend were being chased.
The youth had been separated from his friend and tried calling him on the college's phone.
Greenwich College is assisting the police with their enquiries and its CCTV is being examined to see if this was the same youth.
The spokesman said the boy was not one of the college's students.
A resident in Invermore Place said she thought a boy had tried to climb over her garden wall, possibly trying to escape.
She said: "I looked out because I heard a noise but I thought it was probably just kids playing.
"I've only just moved here but it's scary now."
Another resident, who has lived on the estate for 26 years, said: "All the enclaves round here seem to be run by gangs as young as 12 and 14.
"We've had this for the past two or three years and there are often fights. It's getting very bad."
Police say they believe the victim was stabbed followed a fight with a group of black youths.
The investigation by the Homicide and Serious Crime Command is being led by Det Supt Phil Adams.
Anyone with information should call the incident room in Lewisham on 0208 721 4868 or Crimestoppers on 0800 555 111.
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Sibonetic, Plumstead says...
8:26am Wed 20 Feb 08
Your Lord, Erastus Theobald Piggott, The Armchair says...
8:35am Wed 20 Feb 08
By all means send the police around to schools to talk about knife and gun crime but the sort of kid who carries is probably not a regular at school in the first place and the 'glamour' from carrying a knife comes with the deviance of doing so.
I advocate more police, more stop and search, immediate custodial sentence for anyone possessing a knife and life for possession of a gun.
Your Lord, Erastus Theobald Piggott
Lynne, Thamesmead says...
9:07am Wed 20 Feb 08
Your Lord, Erastus Theobald Piggott wrote:For once I agree with you.
Unfortunately, I believe that once a gun or knife culture starts, it is impossible to stop it completely. By all means send the police around to schools to talk about knife and gun crime but the sort of kid who carries is probably not a regular at school in the first place and the 'glamour' from carrying a knife comes with the deviance of doing so. I advocate more police, more stop and search, immediate custodial sentence for anyone possessing a knife and life for possession of a gun. Your Lord, Erastus Theobald Piggott
This is very sad another young life wasted. His poor family are in my prayers, I have teenagers and am scared whenever they go out. I am lucky they are well behaved, Christian youngsters, the eldest with a good job but sometimes people are just in the wrong place at the wrong time.
pc, says...
9:29am Wed 20 Feb 08
there are guys sitting on remand in belmarsh who shouldnt be and this is because the police and the cps are not getting the papers and evidance in on time waiting months instead of weeks . the police are a joke they want pay rise but they dont want to do the job there paid to do , they would rather sit in the patrol car wathching the underage drinkers from across the road and yes i have seen this for my self
Barbara, Plumstead says...
9:30am Wed 20 Feb 08
Around 9.00pm Friday before last I was at my front gate & a group of about 6 -8 black teenagers were fighting with each other, two fell over in front of me & when I shouted at them to pack it in (regretted it straight away!) but they stopped immediately - apologised & ran up the road. Yes they were wearing hoodies & low slung jeans & did look menacing but they are still entitled to walk around Plumstead. Please don't tar all the youths in the area with the same brush.
pc, says...
9:35am Wed 20 Feb 08
Lynne, says...
9:51am Wed 20 Feb 08
Barbara wrote:I know what you mean, it is just so hard to know which ones are which! You lucky but we should not have to worry about who we can speak to without being abused and who not.
My thoughts are with the family of this lad, no one deserves to die in such a way. Around 9.00pm Friday before last I was at my front gate & a group of about 6 -8 black teenagers were fighting with each other, two fell over in front of me & when I shouted at them to pack it in (regretted it straight away!) but they stopped immediately - apologised & ran up the road. Yes they were wearing hoodies & low slung jeans & did look menacing but they are still entitled to walk around Plumstead. Please don't tar all the youths in the area with the same brush.
Mark, Dartford says...
9:58am Wed 20 Feb 08
Des, SE says...
10:04am Wed 20 Feb 08
No shock is it TBH
Totally agree with posts here and in teh past about the state we rae in now
Why cant the powers that be see this and start to do something.
Tarynn, Eltham says...
10:09am Wed 20 Feb 08
Nicola, Erith says...
10:32am Wed 20 Feb 08
Mark, Dartford says...
10:39am Wed 20 Feb 08
Nothing has changed, and will get worse.
We need to get rid of the Dead wood, and start putting our taxes into issues that affect us all.
mick, plumstead says...
10:50am Wed 20 Feb 08
Pink Kitten, London says...
10:58am Wed 20 Feb 08
Dave, Kent says...
11:03am Wed 20 Feb 08
Pink Kitten wrote:Often the parents of these teenagers have no morals and never knew discipline. How do you expect people like this to be good parents and teach their children right from wrong? All these people know is how to fill in a form at the dept. of social security.... Life has so much to offer if you can just be bothered and I see no excuse for the behaviour of these teens.
These people think that this is the way to live your life, they think it's clever how can you fight that? They think hanging about in gangs fighting one another over petty disputes to see who is the hardest is "cool", how do you fight against that self destructive attitude and teach them that there is definately more too life?
Pink Kitten, London says...
11:07am Wed 20 Feb 08
me, crayford says...
11:15am Wed 20 Feb 08
Pink Kitten, London says...
11:17am Wed 20 Feb 08
Your Lord Erastus Theobald Piggott The Great, The Billiard Room says...
11:19am Wed 20 Feb 08
QUESTION: WHAT IS THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN A YANK AND A WHINGING POM? ANSWER: NOT MUCH. Posted by Lord Erastus Theobald Piggott at 9:57am today.
It deals in part with gang culture that was introduced from The United States of America.
Your Lord, Erastus Theobald Piggott
G.G, woolwich says...
11:28am Wed 20 Feb 08
mick wrote:This is so sad,I can understand people feeling this way but he was 16!! Please think about his family. My thoughts are with his family.I agree to an extent,drugs breed evil but my heart still goes out to all concerned xx
As long as the drugs scum are killing each other thats fine by me live by the sword die by the sword
anon, ex local says...
11:38am Wed 20 Feb 08
My comment is I wonder how brave they would be under real life and death threatening situations
if they were there. You see them on internet sites acting brave, showing off guns and knives and what they are going to do. I say to them, if you are that brave and mouthing off, volunteer for a tour of duty out there and see how brave you realy are, some how I do not think there would be any takers.
Unless I am wrong, then inform me and Join up, you lovely little hero scum bags.
And incase any one thinks I support our troops out there. I DO NOT
Pink Kitten, London says...
11:40am Wed 20 Feb 08
anon wrote:So true!
I have been following the TV series on sky about Ross Kemp in Afghanistan, and all the time I think of the young brave men serving and being killed out there, and the so called brave young men carrying knives and guns in this country. I am not saying we should round them up and send them out there, do not want to put our scum bags for the Army to sort out, they have enough problems trying to sort out the Taliban. My comment is I wonder how brave they would be under real life and death threatening situations if they were there. You see them on internet sites acting brave, showing off guns and knives and what they are going to do. I say to them, if you are that brave and mouthing off, volunteer for a tour of duty out there and see how brave you realy are, some how I do not think there would be any takers. Unless I am wrong, then inform me and Join up, you lovely little hero scum bags. And incase any one thinks I support our troops out there. I DO NOT
G, Gravesend says...
11:50am Wed 20 Feb 08
anita, dartford says...
12:00pm Wed 20 Feb 08
RIP Young Man.
William, London says...
12:20pm Wed 20 Feb 08
Britain could rule the world if you could convince all them with their skills to join up!
G, Gravesend says...
12:22pm Wed 20 Feb 08
G, Gravesend says...
12:29pm Wed 20 Feb 08
Pink Kitten, London says...
12:38pm Wed 20 Feb 08
Sibonetic, Plumstead says...
12:40pm Wed 20 Feb 08
G wrote:G. I can't find a breakdown of the figures by age group and ethnicity, but what I would say is that there seems to be plenty of low life from most ethnic groups including white British.
Sibonetic out of curiosity what is the percentage of youths in Greenwich? Are the majority white british?
Dave, Kent says...
12:53pm Wed 20 Feb 08
Rant over.
Pink Kitten, London says...
12:57pm Wed 20 Feb 08
K, Woolwich says...
1:01pm Wed 20 Feb 08
Sibonetic, Plumstead says...
1:04pm Wed 20 Feb 08
Pink Kitten wrote:Because they are the most recent available, would you rather I used older information?
2001? Oh please Sibonetic how can you possibly quote figures from 2001?
Sibonetic, Plumstead says...
1:06pm Wed 20 Feb 08
Pink Kitten wrote:Because they are the most recent available, would you rather I used older information?
2001? Oh please Sibonetic how can you possibly quote figures from 2001?
Den, Erith says...
1:06pm Wed 20 Feb 08
Ash, New Eltham says...
1:16pm Wed 20 Feb 08
A Parent, Thamesmead says...
1:25pm Wed 20 Feb 08
Me....2, Bexleyheath says...
1:26pm Wed 20 Feb 08
me wrote:I agree with you 100%.......this can't carry on!
me friend knew this man and as usual it was all over drugs and gangs! it was 4 members of t-block that killed him because this fella bought drugs from a rival gang. they waited for him outside college and chased and stabbed him! i cannot believe what this country has came to! its a pathetic excuse to kill someone and it is pathetic that it is so easy for teens to be able to get hold of drugs! once again it is gangs and once again it is black youths! im not saying all black youths cause crime but this is all we hear about now and i think if immigration did their job properly then maybe this country wouldn\\\'t be like this! something needs to be done NOW!!
sarah jane, bexley says...
1:29pm Wed 20 Feb 08
Ash wrote:I agree with you, its the courts that let them free because our prisons are already full up with them, I read that a prison (not quite sure what one now) had 70% of inmates that were immigrants, 70%!!!
You people who slate the Police and blame the current state of out streets on them obviously don't know any policemen/women personally or it must be cool to do so. Do you honestly think the police like catching people for violent crimes to see them get a 4 year sentence which means they will be released in 2- thats real punishment!. The police are under resourced and stretched to breaking point. I could not think of a less rewarding job. It is the government and the "human rights" brigade that have taken proper powers away from the police and handed it to the criminals. These scum need a deterrent to make them think twice. If someone knew they WERE GOING to serve a full 5 years just for carrying a knife, do you think they would do it?...I think not.
Den, Erith says...
1:29pm Wed 20 Feb 08
Pink Kitten, London says...
1:31pm Wed 20 Feb 08
Sibonetic wrote:How can you possibly think that those figures reflect the truth, it is now 2008 so many changes since 2001, those figures mean absolutely nothing and are not relevant so why even look them up in the first place?
Pink Kitten wrote: 2001? Oh please Sibonetic how can you possibly quote figures from 2001?Because they are the most recent available, would you rather I used older information?
Dave, Kent says...
1:35pm Wed 20 Feb 08
Den wrote:Because in their own coutryies they dont get paid for sitting on their backsides.
I can't understand why people want to move to this country. The only reason is for all the freebies they get. It is not for a better life.
anita, dartford says...
1:36pm Wed 20 Feb 08
tasha, sidcup says...
1:39pm Wed 20 Feb 08
Den wrote:as you say, its for the freebies. this country is known for being a soft touch. all foreigners know that as soon as they step foot here, legal or not, they will have benefits every 2 weeks, a house, free healthcare, won't have to pay tax and won't have to work! then they have kids here and the benefits will double and are given a house - all this paid by the british, who now look like mugs because we work so hard to get somewhere whilst paying for those who can't speak english and can put their feet up in their new homes doing nothing!
I can't understand why people want to move to this country. The only reason is for all the freebies they get. It is not for a better life.
A, says...
1:41pm Wed 20 Feb 08
anita, dartford says...
1:43pm Wed 20 Feb 08
Den, Erith says...
1:45pm Wed 20 Feb 08
anita wrote:There are a lot of people who feel this country has let us down. We should not have to leave our own country for a better safer life.
To mee I agree with you. I was born and bred in East London in the 50\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\'s and this country has changed sooo much. It\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\'s so violent now. Seriously thinking now of selling up and leaving this country for good. Not sure where though where ever it\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\'s safe then this country for my family. So sad.
Den, Erith says...
1:47pm Wed 20 Feb 08
Dave wrote:Who is paying for all the freebies us hard working class people. About time we was put first.
Den wrote: I can\'t understand why people want to move to this country. The only reason is for all the freebies they get. It is not for a better life.Because in their own coutryies they dont get paid for sitting on their backsides.
me, london says...
1:49pm Wed 20 Feb 08
thoughts to family
anita, dartford says...
1:49pm Wed 20 Feb 08
Dave, Kent says...
1:53pm Wed 20 Feb 08
Immigration is a subject that really gets my blood boiling. In the 50s, 60s and 70s it was necessary, but right now it really isnt. The boat is full ! I wish that the UK would adopt a hardline approach to immigration, just like our Australian cousins. They only let in people who have skills that are needed. eg, electrician, policemen carpenter.... In our country the only skill that is needed is being able to sign your name on a giro cheque, although a criminal background also helps.
anita, dartford says...
1:57pm Wed 20 Feb 08
Your Lord, Erastus Piggott, The Bedroom says...
2:01pm Wed 20 Feb 08
Your Lord, Erastus Theobald Piggott
BB, London says...
2:03pm Wed 20 Feb 08
Ash wrote:Ash - I completly agree with you, people go into the police service thinking they can help make this country a better place only to find that all their hard work to get people to court etc is thrown out by a judge! Then everyone blames the police and says they arent doing a good enough job etc. Wake up and realise its out stupid government thats making all the rules not the police who risk their own lives on the streets everyday
You people who slate the Police and blame the current state of out streets on them obviously don\\\'t know any policemen/women personally or it must be cool to do so. Do you honestly think the police like catching people for violent crimes to see them get a 4 year sentence which means they will be released in 2- thats real punishment!. The police are under resourced and stretched to breaking point. I could not think of a less rewarding job. It is the government and the \\\"human rights\\\" brigade that have taken proper powers away from the police and handed it to the criminals. These scum need a deterrent to make them think twice. If someone knew they WERE GOING to serve a full 5 years just for carrying a knife, do you think they would do it?...I think not.
Pink Kitten, London says...
2:09pm Wed 20 Feb 08
Your Lord, Erastus Piggott wrote:My affections are loyal to you My Lord always! You are my one and only you know that xx
Kitten, I think you have a crush on Sibonetic ... Your Lord, Erastus Theobald Piggott
Richard, Erith says...
2:10pm Wed 20 Feb 08
Your Lord, Erastus Piggott, Bexley Village says...
2:12pm Wed 20 Feb 08
Well done, Richard.
Your Lord, Erastus Theobald Piggott
Your Lord Erastus Theobald Piggott The All Knowing Guru, The Classroom says...
2:13pm Wed 20 Feb 08
Sorry, this keyboard again!
Your Lord, Erastus Theobald Piggott
Dena, plumstead says...
2:23pm Wed 20 Feb 08
Ben wrote:i would just like to comment on what ben had to say. i live on the glyndon estate, and my family and i are far from being scum bags. my husband and i both work and my son is a model pupil at his school. unfortunatley everybody cannot choose where they would like to live. good luck with your police recruitment, but let me give you some advice, you might what to keep a check on your narrow mindness and stop tarring everybody with the same brush
I decorated the community centre around that area last year and can say I'm not surprised what happened. Full of scum bags of all ages! In my 2 months there I saw a post office get done over, a 10 year old kid driving a van, police chasing various people around (there's always police there) and numerous people walking dogs that anyone can see are 100% illegal. Won't be long before teenager number 6 is killed, the London area over the last 2 years seems rife with teeange killing. Lets hope my police recruitment goes through, the more police out there to prevent it the better.
Simon Bull, web editor, News Shopper says...
2:27pm Wed 20 Feb 08
Most of the comments removed so far have been racist. Some others have made reference to previous comments which were racist and have been removed as well.
You can discuss immigration, you can discuss crime - but when comments veer into the territory of racial prejudice then they will be removed.
Bear in mind this story is about a 16-year-old boy being stabbed to death. But also bear in mind that immigration has absolutely nothing whatsoever to do with skin colour. Any more racist comments will not be allowed.
Ben, Belvedere says...
2:47pm Wed 20 Feb 08
Dena wrote:I didn't tarnish everyone with the same brush, I stated that the area is 'full of scum bags' which is true. Doesn't mean your included or everyone is one, but the area is full of scruffy no hopers, and kids (and adults) who have zero respect for the law.
Ben wrote: I decorated the community centre around that area last year and can say I'm not surprised what happened. Full of scum bags of all ages! In my 2 months there I saw a post office get done over, a 10 year old kid driving a van, police chasing various people around (there's always police there) and numerous people walking dogs that anyone can see are 100% illegal. Won't be long before teenager number 6 is killed, the London area over the last 2 years seems rife with teeange killing. Lets hope my police recruitment goes through, the more police out there to prevent it the better.i would just like to comment on what ben had to say. i live on the glyndon estate, and my family and i are far from being scum bags. my husband and i both work and my son is a model pupil at his school. unfortunatley everybody cannot choose where they would like to live. good luck with your police recruitment, but let me give you some advice, you might what to keep a check on your narrow mindness and stop tarring everybody with the same brush
That area isn't alone by any means, you get similar people in Erith, Thamesmead, and other parts of SE18 (Woolwich... In fact try any area with alot of council housing.
I'm sure your one of the decent ones, I wasn't trying to offend anyone who lives there but you can't deny the fact the area has ALOT of scummy people and alot of crime.
Mina bird, up a gum tree says...
3:11pm Wed 20 Feb 08
Sad to say that this will not be the last stabbing incident amongst the young, as in my view, the problems may stem from being cheated out of a decent education in this country, they leave school too early, I think the leaving age should be raised to 19 ir 20 , or at least until they have attained some qualifications.
As it is they are left to roam the streets, unemployable,get into bad gangs, and are subjected to the most vile violent videos that glamourise , gun/knife culture.
There should be a clamp down on internet trash violence and access to filthy ****. Unfortuenately some of these unfortunate , uneducated , vulnerable kids only seem to relate to violence as they somehow think big, or cool or something, they live in a world of fantasy all the time.
These kids feel losers when there life is only just started, we must ask Why ??
EDUCATION is the key, and yes, also good Christian values, self dicipline respect for neighbour, etc....
I think the worst side of American has a lot to answer for.... as it was instigator of this gang/drug/trash, culture that has been glamourised and spread like a disease , not just in this country , but others as well.
This is not My Britian anymore.
.
Simon Bull, web editor, News Shopper says...
3:12pm Wed 20 Feb 08
I'm not particularly wanting to get into it here with you because this is a forum for readers to discuss the news issues, within the site rules. I am only come on to make it clear racist remarks will be deleted.
But in my personal opinion, yes, your comments were racist.
It may be a truth to you but to blame the majority of crime on the 'black' or 'non-indigenous' population is a racist comment.
That said, it was far less racist than other comments posted today.
Amanda, Erith says...
3:19pm Wed 20 Feb 08
ex-liberal, watford says...
3:19pm Wed 20 Feb 08
G, Gravesend says...
3:20pm Wed 20 Feb 08
Lee, Bexleyheath says...
3:20pm Wed 20 Feb 08
Pink Kitten, London says...
3:27pm Wed 20 Feb 08
Your Lord Erastus Theobald Piggott The All Knowing Guru, The Bar says...
3:28pm Wed 20 Feb 08
In fact, I have defended our multicultural society many times in the past.
I am sick and tired of people saying 'send them back' when in fact the people they are talking about were born in this country and are just as British as you and me.
Instead of taking the time to misconstrue my opinions, why not leave a constructive comment regarding the article?
If you want to personally attack me, go to my blog and do it there.
Please do not put words into my mouth.
Your Lord, Erastus Piggott
jim, watford says...
3:29pm Wed 20 Feb 08
tasha, sidcup says...
3:32pm Wed 20 Feb 08
I respect that you must be professional and delete racist comments, but i can't see how they were racist. we were only discussion the immigration problem and people expressing their views on this matter. no racial remarks or words were used. also to reply to your comment were you say immigration does not have anything to do with this article, many of us disagree. we are just saying that if immigration was not as bad as it is then this may not have happened so i cannot see what is wrong with us discussing this.
i boy has died and our sympathy is with the family but let us discuss matters that we feel could prevent future murders.
innit, london says...
3:37pm Wed 20 Feb 08
Your Lord, Erastus Piggott, The Appeal Court says...
3:37pm Wed 20 Feb 08
Simon Bull does not make the rules but he must adhere to them, as must you.
It is unfair to put him on the spot like this.
He has had his say and you should all respect his position.
Your Lord, Erastus Theobald Piggott
Des, SE says...
3:40pm Wed 20 Feb 08
You ask for comments in a free speaking country then censor them????
You see a rise in murders stabbing and a whole police department dedicated to Blk on Blk crime
For good reason people are worried scared annoyed that this once great place is becoming a hell hole of a ghetto.
Were the rate of Britains leaving is alarming and the people coming in are not checked fully against criminal records etc which is leading to many British people being affraid to walk the streets they were born and breed on.
Now ask yourself why some of these posts seem racist but i will stick to people being realist rather than racist.
William, London says...
3:46pm Wed 20 Feb 08
tasha, sidcup says...
3:46pm Wed 20 Feb 08
Your Lord, Erastus Piggott wrote:i have seen it mentioned and yes it can be seen as a type of racism. sorry, i wasn't reffering to them comments though. i was mainly referring to mine as mine are pretty similar to many other comments put on here.
Tasha, so you do not find the exression 'send them back' to be racist? Simon Bull does not make the rules but he must adhere to them, as must you. It is unfair to put him on the spot like this. He has had his say and you should all respect his position. Your Lord, Erastus Theobald Piggott
Pink Kitten, London says...
3:48pm Wed 20 Feb 08
Your Lord Erastus Theobald Piggott The All Knowing Guru, The Armchair says...
3:50pm Wed 20 Feb 08
If you do not find the expression 'send them back' racist, then I feel sorry for you.
Your other comments make no real sense and were completely out of context.
Your Lord, Erastus Theobald Piggott
anony, plumstead says...
3:50pm Wed 20 Feb 08
William, London says...
3:54pm Wed 20 Feb 08
It is a quote from you! Oh deary me.
Pink Kitten, London says...
3:54pm Wed 20 Feb 08
anony wrote:Well if you are 'in the know' maybe you would care to explain why young people today think if they have a grievance with someone they can take a knife and kill them? Why do they think that they can solve a problem by stabbing them with a knife? Explain the mentality of these people because we do not understand it and that is why we have these opinions.
After reading all of the messages people are forgetting that a 16 year old has been killed.I live on Glyndon and yes it is getting worse but what people seem to be forgetting is that nobody unless they was actually there and witnessed this is thst you are going by what you have read or heard as to the events that took place before the incident.I think that if people do know what has gone on then they should let the police know.The problem isn't the police because without evidence and people coming forward how are they meant to deal with the thugs.I just think it is really sad.And to people that are tarnishing this poor boy with the brush that he is a thug how do you know what he was like.most teens are smoking weed now even teens that are nice.it is really bad but as soon as people say it is drug related they assume it is harder drugs and that the victim deserved what they got.Im sorry but NOBODY deserves do die like this. May god be with R.I.P
William, London says...
3:56pm Wed 20 Feb 08
Your Lord Erastus Theobald Piggott The All Knowing Guru, The Armchair says...
3:57pm Wed 20 Feb 08
I have come to the conclusion that you are a bit thick.
Do you actually take the time to read the comments all the way through before jumping in and making a fool of yourself?
Silly Billy!
Your Lord Erastus Theobald Piggott
William, London says...
4:01pm Wed 20 Feb 08
ps plenty on here will agree with me.
Your Lord Erastus Theobald Piggott, The Billiard Room says...
4:03pm Wed 20 Feb 08
Confused? I think you are.
Your Lord, Erastus Theobald Piggott
innit, london says...
4:03pm Wed 20 Feb 08
Pink Kitten wrote:I've tried to understand this mentality myself. There has always been punch ups in London, but you never hated someone so much, that you wanted to kill them. I've given up now and just accept that its down to low I.Q. There can be no other explanation.
anony wrote: After reading all of the messages people are forgetting that a 16 year old has been killed.I live on Glyndon and yes it is getting worse but what people seem to be forgetting is that nobody unless they was actually there and witnessed this is thst you are going by what you have read or heard as to the events that took place before the incident.I think that if people do know what has gone on then they should let the police know.The problem isn't the police because without evidence and people coming forward how are they meant to deal with the thugs.I just think it is really sad.And to people that are tarnishing this poor boy with the brush that he is a thug how do you know what he was like.most teens are smoking weed now even teens that are nice.it is really bad but as soon as people say it is drug related they assume it is harder drugs and that the victim deserved what they got.Im sorry but NOBODY deserves do die like this. May god be with R.I.PWell if you are 'in the know' maybe you would care to explain why young people today think if they have a grievance with someone they can take a knife and kill them? Why do they think that they can solve a problem by stabbing them with a knife? Explain the mentality of these people because we do not understand it and that is why we have these opinions.
Your Lord, Erastus Theobald Piggott, The Billiard Room says...
4:05pm Wed 20 Feb 08
Your Lord, Erastus Theobald Piggott
LOL, plumstead says...
4:05pm Wed 20 Feb 08
William, London says...
4:07pm Wed 20 Feb 08
G, Gravesend says...
4:28pm Wed 20 Feb 08
Sibonetic, Plumstead says...
4:44pm Wed 20 Feb 08
Trash can come in every colour, but your comment is completely different to mine, I referred to that group of British people who scrounge off the state, your comment has implied that all Somali's and people from Bangladesh are trash.
tasha, sidcup says...
4:48pm Wed 20 Feb 08
Sibonetic wrote:i knew it would be turned around! that comment is not different at all. all he has done is replace the colour you referred to. don't try and make out that was a racist comment! still wanting to know where them statistics came from!
Jim, Trash can come in every colour, but your comment is completely different to mine, I referred to that group of British people who scrounge off the state, your comment has implied that all Somali's and people from Bangladesh are trash.
Gina, Eltham says...
4:57pm Wed 20 Feb 08
you are all as bad as each other and should be ashamed of yourselfs
jim, london says...
4:58pm Wed 20 Feb 08
Sibonetic wrote:I was refering to people who sit around doing nothing. You know, the same people you were refering to.
Jim, Trash can come in every colour, but your comment is completely different to mine, I referred to that group of British people who scrounge off the state, your comment has implied that all Somali's and people from Bangladesh are trash.
innit, london says...
5:01pm Wed 20 Feb 08
Gina wrote:You mean like roaming the streets with a knife.
this story has got really out of hand because race colour and cread doesnot matter. Someone was killed; who cares what the colour of there skin is? why dont you all go and do something else with yuour time instead of getting your kicks making snidey comments. you are all as bad as each other and should be ashamed of yourselfs
Ben, Belvedere says...
5:10pm Wed 20 Feb 08
It seems the primitive culture of some countries people seems to rub off on the kids brought up over here hense they act like they're still in the 3rd world where life is cheap.
Add the fact that certain music and lifestyles make the gang culture seems 'fashionable' and the problem is definitely there for all to see.
I have no problem with people of foreign decent comming here and abiding by our rules, working, and being pleasant but it seems a majority of immigrants are doing nothing but bringing this country to it's knees by acting in a negative way.
Would the British people of 50 years ago really wanted Great Britain to have become what it is now?
nana, plumstead says...
5:31pm Wed 20 Feb 08
G, Gravesend says...
5:33pm Wed 20 Feb 08
goneforgood, surrey says...
5:40pm Wed 20 Feb 08
someone local, local says...
6:36pm Wed 20 Feb 08
Paula, Eltham says...
6:48pm Wed 20 Feb 08
RIP young man im so sorry you had to die like this,I hope your in a better place now your an angel my thoughts and prayers are with your family x x x
someone local, local says...
6:48pm Wed 20 Feb 08
mum, London says...
7:41pm Wed 20 Feb 08
Tarynn wrote:You are right!! I know afew police and they all say the same!!
My hubbys best friend has been a policeman for the last 15 years, he says the job has changed so much from when he started, kids know how to play the system, know that nothing will happen to them, he says they laugh in his face, spit, name calling, you name it, he has it done to him, they show no respect at all, he says their parents are just as bad, he also believes that knife and gun crime is here to stay and nothing can be done to stop it as much as everyone says it can, the worst part is the paper work which he can spends hours on, he is now seriously thinking of giving it all up, the job that he always wanted to do from a very young age (his dad was a policeman for many many years),it a shame because he is a very good and fair policeman, but he is not the only one at his station that feels this way, I wonder how many other policeman feel this way all over the country.
But I also think that England isnt British anymore and I am 100% positive thats why we have such a bad country now, more foreigners leaves less jobs for our youngsters
Mike, Woolwich says...
7:50pm Wed 20 Feb 08
For what it's worth though, and this is a little hipocritical. but perhaps there is a link between violent black crime and the style of upbringing some of their parents endured. In Somalia, for example children have guns placed in their hands at a very young age and many are brought up to be 'warriers'. Its only a suggestion and I'm not saying it's actually the cause of the problem. If it is, I certainly don't know what the solution is.
Reader, Bexleyheath says...
8:02pm Wed 20 Feb 08
dave, kent says...
8:02pm Wed 20 Feb 08
Mike wrote:Yes, Mike, please excuse the double pun, but that is Hypocritical not Hipocritical. Now who cant spell?
Its sad to see this comments board has descended into a series of racial and anti-racial accusations. I find it funny that the people apparently defending 'White Britain' can hardly string an English sentence together themselves. What on Earth is a 'fug'?
For what it's worth though, and this is a little hipocritical. but perhaps there is a link between violent black crime and the style of upbringing some of their parents endured. In Somalia, for example children have guns placed in their hands at a very young age and many are brought up to be 'warriers'. Its only a suggestion and I'm not saying it's actually the cause of the problem. If it is, I certainly don't know what the solution is.
Mike, Woolwich says...
8:07pm Wed 20 Feb 08
kelly, HELLS COUNTRY says...
8:07pm Wed 20 Feb 08
beaten?
or if i teach him to defend himeself/turn into a yob ect he will still be killed ect.
so the out look for my son is very bleak.
the only other way is to lock him up, away from this.
then i will go to jail for trying to protct my child, and i will be killed/beaten/stabbe
d in jail.
PLEASE GOVERMENT GIVE POLICE POWER, LET US PUNISH OUR CHILDREN FOR DOING WRONG WITH OUT BEING LOCKED UP OR THEM TAKEN FROM US.
HELP YOUR OWN FIRST NOT THESE IMMIGRANT.
Mike, Woolwich says...
8:18pm Wed 20 Feb 08
kelly wrote:Unfortunately Kelly the under class who allow their children to develop into these villains also have votes. That, combined with the ever louder voice of daft left wing/liberal groups such as 'Liberty' will make it nigh on impossible for the Police to be given enough power to deal with this crisis effectively.
so really if i teach my son to be a good respectable person, he will still get killed?stabbed?shot? beaten? or if i teach him to defend himeself/turn into a yob ect he will still be killed ect. so the out look for my son is very bleak. the only other way is to lock him up, away from this. then i will go to jail for trying to protct my child, and i will be killed/beaten/stabbe d in jail. PLEASE GOVERMENT GIVE POLICE POWER, LET US PUNISH OUR CHILDREN FOR DOING WRONG WITH OUT BEING LOCKED UP OR THEM TAKEN FROM US. HELP YOUR OWN FIRST NOT THESE IMMIGRANT.
matt, bromley says...
8:55pm Wed 20 Feb 08
joe, london says...
9:05pm Wed 20 Feb 08
Jade, Gravesend says...
9:40pm Wed 20 Feb 08
Ben, Belvedere says...
10:03pm Wed 20 Feb 08
Let's Agree to Differ, says...
10:45pm Wed 20 Feb 08
Tom, says...
10:58pm Wed 20 Feb 08
Anon, Orpington says...
11:47pm Wed 20 Feb 08
Michelle, Orpington says...
12:16am Thu 21 Feb 08
RIP young man - My thoughts are with your Family
Reader, Bexley says...
1:25am Thu 21 Feb 08
Jay, Essex says...
1:43am Thu 21 Feb 08
when comments veer into the territory of racial prejudice then they will be removed.
Here's one you missed from a previous story.
Mr Livingstone said: "I am disgusted by this racist attack on the Stephen Lawrence Centre, which comes only one week after it officially opened.
girlygirl, says...
9:08am Thu 21 Feb 08
Tom wrote:I cant agree with you on this on as I dont think you can blame the parents, I think that if people really thought about it how well do you know your own children...do you know their friends/hobbbies etc? For all we know the parents could be trying their hardest to keep their sons/daughters on the straight and narrow ut it is hard to keep tabs on them 24/7.Sometimes parents can do all they can but nothing will change the child because if a child has their mind set on carrying knives/guns then nobody will change that.I think that and I am only saying what I think but from what I have witnessed it is like a status symbol for young lads/girls to get ASBOs/sent to prison it is what alot of them want. People who want to see some of the gangs in our borough should just search it on youtube and you will see what they are like. R.I.P
Why blame the police for this death?? Blame the PARENTS . At my grandaughters school, they base their teaching on VALUES. They promote a different value each month, such as UNITY, RESPOSIBILITY, HONESTY and CO-OPERATION. As the kids don't see much of this at home, then hopefully the kids that leave this school, which is in Thamesmead, will be able to pass their values onto others. Some cultures do not share the same values as US BRITISH (!) Some think that the world owes them a living, others think that BEATING your child when they miss behave is right. Until we ALL live by the same VALUES, this country is heading down the pan.
emma, here says...
9:25am Thu 21 Feb 08
Back 2 why I came on here anyway.
rip young man
CA, London says...
10:12am Thu 21 Feb 08
You've got kids in Junior and Primary school in Greenwich who simply do not know how to behave, children whose parents don’t care about either the discipline, education or health aspect of their lives.
Parents who will not support the school in disciplining their child, the only time they actively engage the school or talk about their child is to complain that little Johnny doesn't deserve the punishment that he was given.
Parents who blatantly lie when they tell the teachers that they're helping their child do the very basic homework they're assigned, such as making sure that they're reading a book or doing their times tables. The children sit their on parents evenings and watch their parents lie to those in authority and shirk their responsibilities, what do you think that does to them?
Parents whose children arrive at school without having eaten anything, the teachers try and feed them what they can.
There aren't one or two children a year like this, there's at least that number in each class, well in the more run down areas of the borough anyway.
It also cuts right across racial groups, this it not an issue to do with immigration but more to do with the general malaise and lack of responsibility that people seem to take for themselves.
This is years before the children become teenagers, years before teenage rebellion. So if they're growing up in a home environment like that and then they rebel can you imagine how off the rails they go?
Pink Kitten, London says...
10:20am Thu 21 Feb 08
I live down the road from this place n i gotta say 2 things., SE18 says...
10:27am Thu 21 Feb 08
1. Bring Back Capital Punishment - They See It Happening To Someone, They Will Soon Change
2. Bring Back National Service - When they Come Out They Will Soon Change There ways
odiesha, london says...
10:47am Thu 21 Feb 08
Ben wrote:While in london young people kill each other in Bridgened young people kill themselves. do you think these could be two symptoms of the same diseased society. If they are where did this disease come from. Let not forget how diseased some ofus adults are.
I decorated the community centre around that area last year and can say I\'m not surprised what happened. Full of scum bags of all ages! In my 2 months there I saw a post office get done over, a 10 year old kid driving a van, police chasing various people around (there\'s always police there) and numerous people walking dogs that anyone can see are 100% illegal. Won\'t be long before teenager number 6 is killed, the London area over the last 2 years seems rife with teeange killing. Lets hope my police recruitment goes through, the more police out there to prevent it the better.
Dolly, South East London says...
10:52am Thu 21 Feb 08
anita, dartford says...
11:05am Thu 21 Feb 08
G, Gravesend says...
11:43am Thu 21 Feb 08
viv, SOUTH EAST says...
12:08pm Thu 21 Feb 08
ALL YUU PEOPLE SAYIN THAT IT WAS HIS THOUGHT SHOULD THINK BWOUT WHA YUR SAYIIN
WETHER OR NOT IT WAS HIS DEAD ND THAT IS THE MAIN CONCERN SOO START THINKING TWICE
RIIP SUNDAE....
innit, london says...
12:23pm Thu 21 Feb 08
viv wrote:Fallen soldier? you are an imbecile
R.ii.P SUNDAE...A FALL3N SOLDI3R NEVAH FORGOTT3N..!X ALL YUU PEOPLE SAYIN THAT IT WAS HIS THOUGHT SHOULD THINK BWOUT WHA YUR SAYIIN WETHER OR NOT IT WAS HIS DEAD ND THAT IS THE MAIN CONCERN SOO START THINKING TWICE RIIP SUNDAE....
innit, london says...
12:28pm Thu 21 Feb 08
DES, SE says...
12:35pm Thu 21 Feb 08
Please can you take the comments down re:
A FALL3N SOLDI3R or anything similar
As this is a insult to the real men and women who fight for the Country.
And ban any Gang member Chav mug from posting this crap
Ash, New Eltham says...
12:46pm Thu 21 Feb 08
Tina, Thamesmead says...
12:47pm Thu 21 Feb 08
DES wrote:Well said Des, totally agree with you, how dare these people compare our true soliders to silly little gangster wannabes.
ATTN SIMON BULL Please can you take the comments down re: A FALL3N SOLDI3R or anything similar As this is a insult to the real men and women who fight for the Country. And ban any Gang member Chav mug from posting this crap
Concerned, Glyndon says...
1:23pm Thu 21 Feb 08
Malc, Lee says...
2:03pm Thu 21 Feb 08
Dolly wrote:What better place?A cold slab in a council morgue.Or perhaps you are one of these mentally deranged people sorry I mean Christian.Always come out when someone dies don't you?like vultures.
R.I.P. Babes, I know how it feels To Lose Someone By A Stabbing, Your In A Better Place Now, <3
anon, ex local says...
2:18pm Thu 21 Feb 08
viv wrote:Could some-one please translate Vivs comments.
R.ii.P SUNDAE...A FALL3N SOLDI3R NEVAH FORGOTT3N..!X ALL YUU PEOPLE SAYIN THAT IT WAS HIS THOUGHT SHOULD THINK BWOUT WHA YUR SAYIIN WETHER OR NOT IT WAS HIS DEAD ND THAT IS THE MAIN CONCERN SOO START THINKING TWICE RIIP SUNDAE....
As to fallen soldier, why dont you go and tell the family of a very real and very recent dead soldier your own understanding of a fallen soldier and see what kind of reply you get.
Also, buy just about understanding your comments on this lad, he seems to have been in a gang (ie soldier), so he may, just may have been part of a gang war, who knows.
If you and your friends like to be refered to as Soldiers, read my comments about being in Afghanistan. Or better still, go out there and find out yourself what its like to be a real soldier under fire from unseen enemy and land mines. So dont be so bloody stupid and keep refering to yourselves as soldiers. You are just gutless ???????s
kelly, erith says...
8:24pm Thu 21 Feb 08
Your Lord, Erastus Piggott wrote:you are a complete arse .your so sad look at the silly name youv made up .does it make you fell spicial lord pratt..
My goodness, someone from Erith who actuall works for a living. Well done, Richard. Your Lord, Erastus Theobald Piggott
Ben, Belvedere says...
8:58pm Thu 21 Feb 08
kelly wrote:With spelling like that you're not doing yourself any favours.
Your Lord, Erastus Piggott wrote: My goodness, someone from Erith who actuall works for a living. Well done, Richard. Your Lord, Erastus Theobald Piggottyou are a complete arse .your so sad look at the silly name youv made up .does it make you fell spicial lord pratt..
SW, says...
1:50pm Fri 22 Feb 08
british justice?, what justice ? says...
2:51am Mon 25 Feb 08
Your Lord, Erastus Theobald Piggott wrote:i think anyone with an ounce of common decency will agree with you here.though i think a life sentance for a knife is more appropriate as life in the uk normally means 15 years. guns ? simple, its a weapon that will more often than not, result in death if used, therefore only one sentance is called for. THE DEATH SENTANCE. Bring back hanging, bring back corpral punishment, in schools as well as society on a whole and for crying out loud bring back national service...boot camp if you prefer...for any offenders under the age of 21, no matter what their circumstances or upbringing, if they break the law in anyway..criminal law, not civil, then two years service should be their penance.
Unfortunately, I believe that once a gun or knife culture starts, it is impossible to stop it completely. By all means send the police around to schools to talk about knife and gun crime but the sort of kid who carries is probably not a regular at school in the first place and the \'glamour\' from carrying a knife comes with the deviance of doing so. I advocate more police, more stop and search, immediate custodial sentence for anyone possessing a knife and life for possession of a gun. Your Lord, Erastus Theobald Piggott
tee dot <3, se2 says...
11:31am Mon 25 Feb 08
chris, all over says...
2:23pm Tue 26 Feb 08
that kid pulled out gun and wanted 2 kill ppl, unlucky 4 him the gun was not wrkin and as a resualt of that he lost his life.
i do not feel sorri 4 him at all. he start somfing he could not finish. i do agree with all of u knife and gun crime will neva stop, but do not jugde ppl that carry them its a world where its kill or be killed.
Dolly <3, South East says...
9:07pm Tue 26 Feb 08
Rest In Peace Babes <3
Teedot, Yung Youth <3, South East says...
9:30am Wed 27 Feb 08
Dolly <3 wrote:Some one has just lost their life , whether he had a gun or not, it doesnt excuse him getting killed. They were all un the young but it was an issue that got taken too far. A young boy has just died and people come on here slagging young people off about, what you wear has nothing to do with the actions you take, people always jump to conclusions , if you wear your trousers low , you must be a thug or scum! no it doesnt work that way at all , it aint got nothing to do with your background or how you were brought up. Everything has a reason to it and obviously someone wouldnt just go out looking for trouble for no reason at all even though guns and knifes dont resolve anything. BUT rest in peace SUNDAY , he deserves respect now his gone not people slagging him off , how would you feel it that was some one you knew ? x
All you sit on here slagging off life, and how our generation have changed, im not going to lie, it has changed so have the people, but we are all on here and a young boy has died and all you lot care about is Who\'s Writing what comments on here. Rest In Peace Babes <3
Tom, says...
8:41pm Mon 3 Mar 08
I WOULD FEEL ASHAMED TO CALL HIM MY SON!
The teenager was stabbed at Invermore Place
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Ben, Belvedere says...
8:23am Wed 20 Feb 08
Won't be long before teenager number 6 is killed, the London area over the last 2 years seems rife with teeange killing.
Lets hope my police recruitment goes through, the more police out there to prevent it the better.