Man dies after shopping centre fall (From News Shopper)

Sarah, Bromley says...
12:06pm Sun 17 Feb 08

Oh my goodness how dreadful.
His poor family. How terrible for the people who saw this. The Newsshopper seems to have nothing but tragic deaths to report, I dread going to have a look now.

Rest In Peace.

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Mandy, Orpington says...
12:14pm Sun 17 Feb 08

Very sad. Our thoughts are with his family mainly his mother. RIP.

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C, Grove Park says...
12:16pm Sun 17 Feb 08

What a tragic incident. My condolences to his family and friends.
And sympathy to all who witnessed it.

RIP

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jason, javea says...
12:24pm Sun 17 Feb 08

Maybe now some people will think of this poor mans family instead of moaning about buying the wrong top and who you can sue. Well done to all the glades staff and emergency services who helped to try and save this poor man, shame on those of you who just stood around watching then had the nerve to pass judgement on those who tried their best to help.

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r, bromley says...
1:09pm Sun 17 Feb 08

what a selfish bloke. killing himself in a shopping centre he was craving attention. while every1 is thinkin about his family does anyone realise he wasnt thinkin about his own family when he jumped!

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Jack, croydon, surrey says...
1:15pm Sun 17 Feb 08

/R.I.P/ Its ture wat Jason sed how can people stand there and watch a man die.
My condolences to his family and friends.
And sympathy to all who witnessed it.
FORM Jack age 13

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anon, bickley says...
1:18pm Sun 17 Feb 08

i cant believe that ignorant people are still critisising this young man. if you had ever had the experience of mental health problems you might just be able to understand what the poor man was going through but you are all totally ignorant to it all. fighting voices in your head is not a nice thing to experience and battle, but what would you know, you are probably too perfect and stuck up your own back side to know. craving attention is not even an issue it is all about how awful he must have been feeling to not want to live anymore. RIP.

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L, Bromley says...
1:19pm Sun 17 Feb 08

r wrote:
what a selfish bloke. killing himself in a shopping centre he was craving attention. while every1 is thinkin about his family does anyone realise he wasnt thinkin about his own family when he jumped!

Maybe he was selfish, but Im sure if he was mentally competent enough to be thinking about his own family he wouldn't have jumped in the first place.

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alison, lewisham says...
1:21pm Sun 17 Feb 08

OMG this is a shock but he had such a high fall... poor guy, R.I.P... My heart is with his family at this sad moment in time... Must be hard for the paramedics who fault and worked hard to save his life... may he rest in piece...

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Mandy, Petts Wood says...
1:28pm Sun 17 Feb 08

Very sad. My husband and I came down from the park area where he jumped from just after it happened. The man was in a very bad way and had lost alot of blood. I felt sick and very shocked, but sad at the same time. Our thoughts are with his family mainly his mother.
Rest In Peace.

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katie, bromley says...
1:41pm Sun 17 Feb 08

i am beyond disgusted by some of the comments i have just read.have some respect!

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anon, Bromley says...
2:15pm Sun 17 Feb 08

Thank goodness the News Shopper has had the heart to remove all those awful comments that were made yesterday regarding this poor man.
Unfortunately it looks like some idiots are starting again, please News Shopper, you need to monitor this site 24hours a day and immediately remove anything likely to cause offense or distress. Yes I know this is a public forum but have some heart, if this man had one hint of a reasonable thought running through his mind of course he wouldn't have done what he did.
I cannot imagine what those that witnessed this are going through not to mention his family and please have some thoughts for the staff of the Glades, after all this wasn't exactly an every day occurance that they were faced with and must have been in shock just like everyone else.

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Anon, Bromley says...
2:34pm Sun 17 Feb 08

I didn't see the incident, but what a dreadful thing to happen. I agree with the person who thanked the New Shopper for removing all the nasty comments posted yesterday. Goodness knows what was going through the lad's head - but we'll never know and it's so sad it has ended this way and what is the point of judging him and slating him for something that has now happened and can't be changed?! My heart goes out to his family and friends and to those who witnessed this terrible thing. RIP xxx

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mick, plumstead says...
2:45pm Sun 17 Feb 08

r wrote:
what a selfish bloke. killing himself in a shopping centre he was craving attention. while every1 is thinkin about his family does anyone realise he wasnt thinkin about his own family when he jumped!

you total plank! if he was thinking about his family and what he was doing then he wouldnt do what he did!when you reach this point nothing enters your head exept suicide. The balance of your mind has gone and you snap its got nothing to do with being selfish it has everything to do with being ILL ok

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Dom, SE London says...
2:50pm Sun 17 Feb 08

Don't reply to "r". They just want attention and it shows what a coward they are when they didn't write their full name.

Poor bloke. RIP

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carol, Orpington says...
2:50pm Sun 17 Feb 08

We are all human beings who have different opinions, beliefs and emotions, that said we all rely on our physical and mental health to live full and enriched lives. In the same way that some of us are plagued with disease and illness others suffer with mental torture. I am fortunate that neither myself or loved ones suffer either. As someone said yesterday . . There but for the grace of God . . The only way forward is for everyone involved to recognise each others anguish. Many people will be affected by this tragic incident, Just stop for one moment and be neutral and pray for all those concerned. My thoughts are with the young mans family, the people who were in the Glades yesterday either shopping or working. I also hope George is ok, a young lad of 12 who was clearly distressed by what he saw! You have been in my thoughts, please dont take to heart the comments that were posted after yours, some people are not very good at understanding others feelings.

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Mandy, Petts Wood says...
3:28pm Sun 17 Feb 08

Along with my husband and I many people were affected by the very sad incident in the Glades yesterday.
We must remember this poor bloke had family and friends who are trying to copy with this tragic news, our thoughts should be with them now.
Rest In Peace.

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anon, Bromley says...
3:48pm Sun 17 Feb 08

So sorry to hear that that young man died. My heart goes out to his Family and friends. Lets stop critisicing and praise all the people who helped.

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becky, bromley says...
3:54pm Sun 17 Feb 08

me and my friend were walking and all of a sudden a man fell like 10 foot away from us it was scary shocking and horifing. all the blood on the floor every where. RIP...x

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D, Bromley says...
4:32pm Sun 17 Feb 08

I was in O2 when it happened and one of the first on the scene. Your first reaction is to try and help (call 999) but after that if your immediate thought is to walk away, as many many people are saying, I find that immensely disrespectful. Here is a young dying man, driven, by whatever thoughts or reasons, to take his own life. Do you truly believe you should just walk by and not care? No matter what you think, you do stay and look, you question why he did what he did and would desperately like to help. Believe me, as a parent, many thoughts go through your head, it is not the ghoulish aspect that holds you as many of you are suggesting. Despite comments to the contrary I thought the one man and one woman that obviously knew what they were doing were excellent, keeping him alive, talking to him; as I'm sure they were trained to do. Don't knock the Glades staff.

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MD, Kent says...
4:36pm Sun 17 Feb 08

I am very sad that it has been reported that the young man has died, what an awful waste of life. What a terrible event for his family and friends to have to deal with, thier grief must be immeasurable.

My thoughts and prayers are with his family and friends.

And for those who witnessed the event and/or its aftermath, I hope and prayer that you overcome the shock, pain, anger and sadness of this terrible event.

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Lesley, Sidcup says...
4:39pm Sun 17 Feb 08

I agree "D", well done to those who tried to help at what must have been an horrific sight. Thoughts are with his family and friends, and we must all think ourselves lucky that "there but for the grace of god....".

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NICOLA, bromley says...
5:15pm Sun 17 Feb 08

I saw it all . he fell 10 feet away from me and my family. i heard a scream from the uppermail so i looked up and saw this man fall it all happened in slow motion for me , i saw his face before he fell and heard the thud when he fell , every time i close my eyes i whatch it over and over again i could not stop crying and am still coming to terms what actually happened. i do fill for this man but am so angry with him because he could of fallen on me or a member of my family and killed 1 of us and then my children which were at home could of been without a mother/nan/ auntie.Thanks to KIM from M&S for looking after me as i was in a bad way , i felt so silly cause i didnt even no this man but i could not stop crying.

RIP

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G, Sidcup says...
5:27pm Sun 17 Feb 08

I felt compelled to leave a comment after reading some of the comments here. I can't believe that some people would be more concerned about having their Saturday shopping ruined than the tragedy which obviously occurred. Maybe the man was all alone in the world, no family or friends, don't judge too quickly his actions. Yes, it must have been an awful event to witness, but show some compassion.

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andrea, bromley says...
5:30pm Sun 17 Feb 08

r.i.p

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colin, BROMLEY says...
6:26pm Sun 17 Feb 08

WHAT A PROFFESIONAL JOB THE GLADES AND THE M&S STAFF DID AT WHAT WAS A DIFFUCULT AND STRESSFULL TIME FOR ALL. THE POLICE, SPECIALS AND ESPECIALLY THE MEDICAL SERVICES WERE OUTSTANDING. OUR THOUGHTS R WITH THIS MAN'S FAMILY AT THIS TIME.

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jason, javea says...
6:29pm Sun 17 Feb 08

I fully agree with G of Sidcup, it made me sick to see what some people had written earlier, oh it ruined my shopping trip, it made me buy a top i don't like so now i have to take it back, what a shame for you, just take a moment out of your selfish lives and firstly think of this poor man who lost his life, have a think about his family, what about the people who had to try to save this poor guy and the people who were really affected by this tragic accident, just try and show a bit of compassion, please.

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becky, chelsfield says...
6:35pm Sun 17 Feb 08

i was in bromly saturday and it was awfull the paremedicts and police tryed so hard to save this man ...... well done to them you were all brillient but sadness for the man rip xxx

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billie jo, bromley says...
6:40pm Sun 17 Feb 08

r i p

well sum one said to me
that he and his wife or girlfriend was arguing
and he got fed up so he jump off a buliding but i dont no if thats true or not

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nat + nic, bromley says...
7:01pm Sun 17 Feb 08

r.i.p. xxxxxxxxx

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mcbain, bromley says...
7:07pm Sun 17 Feb 08

Rest in peace.

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kevin, norbury says...
7:11pm Sun 17 Feb 08

I am the person that called 999 for help. I would like to say a special thanks to the doctor, his friend and two ladies who helped to keep the situation under control, as Glades staff and management were not in control at the beginning. I agree the Shopping Centre should have been closed until the matter had been dealt with. His face will be in my mind for a long time, my heart goes out to his family and friends. He must have been a troubled young man should suicide rumours be true. No family should have to go through losing a loved one in these circumstances. RIP

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sharon, kent says...
7:37pm Sun 17 Feb 08

A huge well done to all those who tried to save a life! It's not been easy for any of you to deal with the situation and then read some of the comments posted on here.
Thankfully, it's not something that members of the public, including those who assisted and the Glades Management team have to deal with every day. Unfortunately, when it does happen they have to make decisions based upon here and now .....in this instance saving a life!
Despite security attempting to deny access to the area, many people chose to push pass and take a "quick look",knowing that what they saw could be there to haunt them or thier families for some time. Funny thing, morbid curiosity?
I bet some of you who have made comments about lack of screens etc, went out of your way to look. Thankfully, i chose not to look unless i could help.Fortunately, I knew that there were several others administering first aid.
To those who really could not avoid the scene, i hope the images and emotions will, in time, gently ease.

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Shopper, Bromley says...
7:57pm Sun 17 Feb 08

Well lucky, clever you Sharon.

You must have been in a different shopping centre to me because there was no "security staff denying access", no-one to "push past", and no warning whatsoever of what I and my family were about to witness.

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anon, says...
8:04pm Sun 17 Feb 08

I think you will find that Sharon is either workin at the glades or seeing one of the 'heroes' who apparently (according to her ) were so well organised!!!

Why dont you all just think about his family and why he did not have the help he needed before it got to his stage.

May he rest in peace now xx

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k, bromley says...
8:19pm Sun 17 Feb 08

billie jo wrote:
r i p well sum one said to me that he and his wife or girlfriend was arguing and he got fed up so he jump off a buliding but i dont no if thats true or not

u shouldnt listen to what ' someone said to u' ever heard of rumours!!? people that do jump just have a mental block and get it into their heads that they need to do it, doesnt metter where it is or when.
and for all u people on here that have said about ruining your day bcos u saw it, can u imagine what the family and his gf are going through, u should have some respect and stop thinging about yourselves! what about the people that tried to save him, ever thought of how they are?

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Marks & Spencer Employee, Bromley says...
8:27pm Sun 17 Feb 08

What A Terrible Shock! I Saw The Man When He Was Being Bought Through Our Shop & It Wasnt Good. I Think Marks & Spencers, Security Were Marvolous. Leon Especially. My Thoughs Go Out To His Friends and Family and Most Importantly His Poor Girlfriend. What A Sad & Shocking Story. RIP

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Cameron Butler, Bromley says...
8:42pm Sun 17 Feb 08

Sympathy to the family. But i feel sorry for the people who had to see that, especially children, they must be very traumatised. He should of killed himself quietly :(

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kate, bromley says...
9:04pm Sun 17 Feb 08

he didnt ave a gf, it was his mum screamin, so everyone been sayin

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nlp, kent., bromley says...
9:05pm Sun 17 Feb 08

Cameron Butler wrote:
Sympathy to the family. But i feel sorry for the people who had to see that, especially children, they must be very traumatised. He should of killed himself quietly :(

I am sure he is very sorry to have been such an inconvenience ...........

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Shirley, Camberwell says...
9:08pm Sun 17 Feb 08

I was in Bromley yesterday when this happened and I was praying this man would survive. It's very sad for his family and my thoughts go out to them

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Lu, london says...
9:09pm Sun 17 Feb 08

kate wrote:
he didnt ave a gf, it was his mum screamin, so everyone been sayin

everyone keeps sayin thats what people are saying oh and this rumour. Get a life!!

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kate, bromley says...
9:14pm Sun 17 Feb 08

Lu wrote:

kate wrote: he didnt ave a gf, it was his mum screamin, so everyone been sayin
everyone keeps sayin thats what people are saying oh and this rumour. Get a life!!

well lets hope the truth comes out then innit, get a life

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anon., bromley says...
9:19pm Sun 17 Feb 08

I was there when this tragic event occured yesterday and last night I couldn't sleep as I couldn'ttake my mind off of the poor young guy. It was so sad to see this morning that he had died. May he rest in peace, and my deepest sympathy to his family xx

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Lu, london says...
9:26pm Sun 17 Feb 08

kate wrote:

Lu wrote:
kate wrote: he didnt ave a gf, it was his mum screamin, so everyone been sayin
everyone keeps sayin thats what people are saying oh and this rumour. Get a life!!
well lets hope the truth comes out then innit, get a life

well init, u should hope tht hes at rest know. No one needs to know the ins and outs. he did and its over.

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Debbie, Liverpool says...
9:28pm Sun 17 Feb 08

Posted by: becky, bromley on 3:54pm today
me and my friend were walking and all of a sudden a man fell like 10 foot away from us it was scary shocking and horifing. all the blood on the floor every where. RIP...x
me and my friend were walking and all of a sudden a man fell like 10 foot away from us it was scary shocking and horifing. all the blood on the floor every where. RIP...x

This is the only post that shocked me - the fact that these people witnessed this awful event close to and it will probably give them nightmares for a very long time.
Whether you think the man was selfish or ill he was still a man with feelings and a family and that is who we should be thinking about - the ones who are left to pick up the pieces - I hope that the man is now at peace - but his poor family, - well that's another story. RIP x

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Jaylee James, Bromley says...
9:31pm Sun 17 Feb 08

Having been there at the time it happened I really dont wish the experience to happen to any one any time in their life. I cannot begin to know or understand what his family, and his friends are going through !Been a mother myself I can only imagine. Would like to mention the great work done and quick response times by police, paramedics and the helicopter team that were all sent out to this poor mans aid, if the accident werent as bad as it was, he would have had a chance thanks to the great work done by you all. A frightful experience and we were just by standers..Something I will never forget. God Bless this family in their time of need, our prayers are with every single one of you and of course to you young man, rest in peace so sorry we werent there to help you. God Bless x

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AL, Bromley says...
10:21pm Sun 17 Feb 08

Why are you all pondering over what has happened, the fact is that it has happened, there is nothing you can do about it now, if it has effected anyone don't keep going on about it, try your best to forget about it and move on with your lives. why not just everybody leave this poor mans memory (as his family may be reading these comments - how would you feel if you were in their shoes)? leave them to grieve for the loss of their loved one, no one knows the circumstances in which it happened, and until you do you have no right to pass judgement.

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anon, bromley says...
10:25pm Sun 17 Feb 08

RIP - to the young man who sadly lost his life.
I have sauffered mental health problems in the past and on one occasion tried to take my life.
At times of such mental distress there is no right or wrong time to want to end your life but yes I agree the impact is worse for others to deal with. The ignorance from those who do not understand mental health issues is quite obvious here.
I do agree that ignorance is bliss and am glad that there are a lot of people who have had no experience of mental health because it is a very hard thing to understand.
The mental health services in our country are appalling, I once waited 3 years for therapy, it is the lack of resources that drive people, like this man, to do what he did.
I really hope he is in a nicer place now and is at rest from his demons.
My sympathy goes to his family and friends, as I am positive that no matter how low he thought about himself he meant a lot to them.
Please dont judge people with mental health problems, we never asked to be born this way!!!
Rip x

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jackie, sidcup says...
10:32pm Sun 17 Feb 08

Kevin of Norbury. i just like to say that i was standing directly in front of him when it happened, after being told to leave him alone, i tried to call 999, couldnt get an recpetion, you stood in front of me and calmly said 'ambulance please'. Thank you. It was then that i thought he's gonna be alright, although there was alot of blood.I am not coping with this so well as i thought i would. My daughter who is 12, also was with me is finding it hard, but i just keep telling her that he has gone to a better place and is OK now. Our thoughts and condolences are with his family.

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mee, here says...
10:34pm Sun 17 Feb 08

k wrote:

billie jo wrote:
r i p well sum one said to me that he and his wife or girlfriend was arguing and he got fed up so he jump off a buliding but i dont no if thats true or not
u shouldnt listen to what \\\' someone said to u\\\' ever heard of rumours!!? people that do jump just have a mental block and get it into their heads that they need to do it, doesnt metter where it is or when.
and for all u people on here that have said about ruining your day bcos u saw it, can u imagine what the family and his gf are going through, u should have some respect and stop thinging about yourselves! what about the people that tried to save him, ever thought of how they are?

Well now who`s listening to rumours? who said he jumped? newsshopper reports he fell...Whatever anyway, the fact is a poor man is now dead R.I.P my feelings echo others on here. I feel for his family and everone else who witnessed any of this- by looking out of curiosity or by nasty chance its a terrible thing to see. I wish everone luck in the future especially all the poor children who were also around and a big well done to all that help to try and save this mans life!

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Lucy, Bromley says...
10:38pm Sun 17 Feb 08

I saw some off this incerdent and it was arwfull no-one desevers to die like that. People that have been saying he was selfish should be ashemd of them selfs!. RIP. ****

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me, bromley says...
10:40pm Sun 17 Feb 08

was he wiv his gf?

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Tom, bromly says...
12:06am Mon 18 Feb 08

guys! im sorry i dont even know the person or anything to do with it but ive came on here and you guys are arguing about who said what and what ever ....... tad selfish! let the police or who ever deal with it lets just give our respect and symthany to those close to him

R.I.P

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glades shop employee, UK says...
1:48am Mon 18 Feb 08

They have it on CCTV. He did not fall. He had an argument with his girlfriend and climbed over and dropped. Lets now forget any rumours.

My poor girlfriend was working in one of the shops at the time and heard everything. She went out to see what was going on and saw him afterwards and spent the whole day upset. She is still upset now. SHe will be upset for a while. The sound of him hitting sounded like a bomb.

The guy almost fell on some poor ladies children and if she hadn't moved them out of the way they would have died.

The police wouldn't let the glades shut and didnt cordorn off the area straight away. It took them a while to do much. Well done to Glades staff for managing to complete the day especially members of both optican shop, O2 and everyone in the nearby shops who had to see/hear it. Also Glades staff who attended the scene and tried to help the man.

I wish his family well.
I wish his girlfriend well.

For people who did see him etc who are upset there is a number set up to arrange for councilling. It would be advisadle as many will be upset. The number can be found in the Glades.

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anon, Bromley says...
6:51am Mon 18 Feb 08

How can people say to forget what has happened and get on with life? Everyone who saw it is affected by what they saw and need same kind of counseling. I do agree by stopping all the guessing work and leave it for the police to sort out. So sorry to everyone who had to witness it.I saw the man afterwards and am deeply traunatised.

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anon, beckenham says...
8:59am Mon 18 Feb 08

i'd just like to say i was there when it happened. i saw it all, but im not going to go into details like others, i find that disrespectful to his family and people that knew him.
i heard on the news that he sadly passed away and have had it confirmed on here. it was a dreadful shame that he had to end his life that way and my heart goes out to his family and friends.
it was an awful thing to witness, but others witness alot worse. we all manage to move on in our own ways.

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Marina, Bromley says...
9:00am Mon 18 Feb 08

jackie wrote:
Kevin of Norbury. i just like to say that i was standing directly in front of him when it happened, after being told to leave him alone, i tried to call 999, couldnt get an recpetion, you stood in front of me and calmly said \'ambulance please\'. Thank you. It was then that i thought he\'s gonna be alright, although there was alot of blood.I am not coping with this so well as i thought i would. My daughter who is 12, also was with me is finding it hard, but i just keep telling her that he has gone to a better place and is OK now. Our thoughts and condolences are with his family.

To Jackie and all those who were there at the time I feel for you. I was there too, my husband and our children were standing looking at the Toyota cars moments earlier, then we got in the lift and went up one floor. When we walked along the first floor we saw him go past and heard the impact just below. Thankfully my daughter is only 3 years old and my son, who is 1, was asleep in his buggy at the time. We only just managed to distract her and she soon seemed unaware of what was happening, although she was upset by the screaming. For your 12 year old daughter Jackie and for you I am truly sorry. My family had the fortune of standing back from where he landed and we keep saying how much more awful it would have been to have been on the ground at the time. My heart goes out to you. I too have been unable to forget what I saw. I stood back and actually wondered to myself "should I go and see or should I walk away?" Someone said previously that it is difficult to walk away and I felt that. How could I just walk on to Boots when there was a man fighting for life yards away? At the same time I knew that if I confronted it I would probably be traumatised for life, perhaps also my daughter. I was relieved and thankful that others went to help despite the gruesomness of the situation. I have respect for those who tried. I moved on slowly with my family sensing that there was not much we could do but feeling in shock. We did look back at him and saw the people around helping out. My thoughts are with you, all those others who saw it and the family of this poor person. May he rest in peace.

[quote][bold]jackie[/bold] wrote: Kevin of Norbury. i just like to say that i was standing directly in front of him when it happened, after being told to leave him alone, i tried to call 999, couldnt get an recpetion, you stood in front of me and calmly said \'ambulance please\'. Thank you. It was then that i thought he\'s gonna be alright, although there was alot of blood.I am not coping with this so well as i thought i would. My daughter who is 12, also was with me is finding it hard, but i just keep telling her that he has gone to a better place and is OK now. Our thoughts and condolences are with his family.[/quote] To Jackie and all those who were there at the time I feel for you. I was there too, my husband and our children were standing looking at the Toyota cars moments earlier, then we got in the lift and went up one floor. When we walked along the first floor we saw him go past and heard the impact just below. Thankfully my daughter is only 3 years old and my son, who is 1, was asleep in his buggy at the time. We only just managed to distract her and she soon seemed unaware of what was happening, although she was upset by the screaming. For your 12 year old daughter Jackie and for you I am truly sorry. My family had the fortune of standing back from where he landed and we keep saying how much more awful it would have been to have been on the ground at the time. My heart goes out to you. I too have been unable to forget what I saw. I stood back and actually wondered to myself "should I go and see or should I walk away?" Someone said previously that it is difficult to walk away and I felt that. How could I just walk on to Boots when there was a man fighting for life yards away? At the same time I knew that if I confronted it I would probably be traumatised for life, perhaps also my daughter. I was relieved and thankful that others went to help despite the gruesomness of the situation. I have respect for those who tried. I moved on slowly with my family sensing that there was not much we could do but feeling in shock. We did look back at him and saw the people around helping out. My thoughts are with you, all those others who saw it and the family of this poor person. May he rest in peace.

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a, Bromley says...
9:09am Mon 18 Feb 08

I feel slightly guilty at wondering what circumstances caused this poor man to do what he did-not a morbid curiosity but trying to make some sense of it in my head and to try to explain the desperation/sadness to my 2 children who were extremely upset. The images, chaos and screams will stay with me for a long time. Well done to everyone that helped, people trained in first aid but never imagining having to deal with such an awful incident and making split second decisions when probably in shock themselves. My thoughts are with the family and friends. Rest in peace now.

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Marina, Bromley says...
9:20am Mon 18 Feb 08

I don't think it's entirely morbid curiosity. I think having experienced what we have we just need to try to understand it and many people writing into this forum are probably witnesses looking for some kind of explanation. I know I feel the need to try to understand it, to try to put some kind of reason to an otherwise unfathomable event

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J, UK says...
9:22am Mon 18 Feb 08

whats his name

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Marina, Bromley says...
9:35am Mon 18 Feb 08

I have no idea. I know nothing of the person I've been thinking about all weekend. A lady ran past us coming down the escalator from the top floor. I think she had been with him. I don' t know whether she was a friend, relative, I don't know but she was screaming and ran right past me. The anguish and the shock were clearly visible on her face. How terrible for her.

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nanciey 12, chislehurst says...
9:37am Mon 18 Feb 08

i think this is horrible but maybe he wanted 2 do it no bodyknows really (maybe hes family) i dont think really people should be speading rumours about this xxx thanks

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Marina, Bromley says...
9:44am Mon 18 Feb 08

I agree but must point out I am not spreading any rumours, just saying exactly what I saw, nothing more. I have already said I don't know anything about this person or his family. But I do know what I experienced on Saturday

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Jayne, Orpington says...
10:16am Mon 18 Feb 08

Poor man. How ill or desperate he must have been feeling. Nobody knows for sure who he was with wife, girlfriend or mum. But I hope that they get the help and support they need to someday be able to rebuild their lives. Although god only knows how they ever will. I hope the peoople that didn't even know the man get the help they need to but instead of judging the poor man because it upset them spare a kind thought for him and his family and friends. I hope everybody affected by this awful tragedy can eventually find peace. I hope the man is at peace too.

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Lucy Gaston, Biggin Hill says...
12:09pm Mon 18 Feb 08

I had just walked out of La Senza on saturday when this incident happened. i can still hear noise of his body hitting the floor. My friend and i are still in shock. People just stood around in utter shock crying. what a terrible accident, and my love is with the family of this poor young man. my he rest in peace.

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anon, Lee says...
1:37pm Mon 18 Feb 08

Like a lot of people posting on here, I was also there on Saturday. What a tragedy and loss of one so young.I don't know whether he jumped or fell - I don't need to know. My heart goes out to his family and friends and (as a mother of a 28 year old son) his mother. I will never forget that day as long as I live but, my feelings are mine and all that matters is that a tragedy unfolded in front of our eyes. Rest in Peace young man and I hope it gives his family some comfort to know he will always be in someone's prayers. As a few have already said "There but for the Grace of God....."

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Ad, petts wood says...
2:28pm Mon 18 Feb 08

It is very hard to imagine this kind of thing. Much sympathy for all the people who witnessed it. Much love and sympathy for his Mother I cant even think what she might be going through. May people please remember that the boy's family members would be reading the comments and remember that you should think before you post your comments. RIP May God rest his soul.

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Ian, Bexley says...
2:39pm Mon 18 Feb 08

This is a shocking and horrific story and my thoughts are with the family and friends of this man right now, as well as all the poor people who were at The Glades at the time. This sort of thing can play on the mind and it really does help to talk things through with others. Can I say that if anyone needs to talk, the Samaritans will be there to listen to you in complete confidence. The service is not just for those with suicidal thoughts and feelings, and it really can help to discuss what you might think is the the slightest worry. If you feel it would help to talk, please call on 08457 90 90 90.

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L, SE london says...
2:44pm Mon 18 Feb 08

people are saying he is not selfish. i witnessed him jump and land and he nearly killed me my mum and my son. he landed about 5 feet away from us.he didnt take into consideration the shoppers in the busy shopping centre or what effect it would have on us witnessing it. he may of had health problems but he was a very selfish man who nearly killed my baby son.

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mt, says...
3:31pm Mon 18 Feb 08

L wrote:
people are saying he is not selfish. i witnessed him jump and land and he nearly killed me my mum and my son. he landed about 5 feet away from us.he didnt take into consideration the shoppers in the busy shopping centre or what effect it would have on us witnessing it. he may of had health problems but he was a very selfish man who nearly killed my baby son.

yes Nearly...translated means he Didnt. for Gods sake when someone is in that state they are not thinking straight, just count yourself lucky you and yer kid are safe, the same cannot be said of the mother of the young man. have some compassion or are you selfish ?

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Tom, Bromley says...
3:49pm Mon 18 Feb 08

With the whole situation being quite shocking and bad, it's also awful to think he did not die straight away...bet he was in a lot of pain obviously trying to kill himself, I'm sure he wasnt counting on surviving! Alot of mixed views, from people who saw and who didn't, I mean if you were there it could be considered selfish and dangerous, doubt that was going through his mind at this time...people having a go calling others disrespectful well regardless of this man's state maybe he was a bit 'wrong' to do it where he did, putting other lives at risk at a busy time with children about! But as you would like to think, if he was capable of jumping then that was not going through his mind! Either way very sad and shocking and sympathies to his Family...

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Noleen, Orpington says...
3:50pm Mon 18 Feb 08

It is just so sad. Here by the grace of god go i... this could happen to anyone. Unfortunately he obviously wasn't thinking clearly and we can't fully understand why he snapped. I arrived at the Glades at around 12.30 and the upper parking entrance was blocked off so we got the lift down and walked towards the centre where I saw so much blood. I put two and two together and was very sad and shocked. My heart goes out to the family.

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anon, Lee says...
3:52pm Mon 18 Feb 08

I was answering a post which has, thankfully, been removed. Please, please have compassion. Deepest sympathy to his family and especially his Mother (I've got a son approx. the same age and I can't even imagine........... Please take some comfort that you and yours and your Son, are now in my prayers, and always will be. Sleep well little boy. I never knew or met him but he has left a lasting impression on my life.

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peter, beckenham says...
5:03pm Mon 18 Feb 08

L wrote:
people are saying he is not selfish. i witnessed him jump and land and he nearly killed me my mum and my son. he landed about 5 feet away from us.he didnt take into consideration the shoppers in the busy shopping centre or what effect it would have on us witnessing it. he may of had health problems but he was a very selfish man who nearly killed my baby son.

God, I cannot believe you can write such selfish, self-centred, pitying crap.

The 21 year old illegal driving, inconsiderate, mini driver who has destroyed numerous lives by not only killing himself and actually injuring people, putting six people in hospital,and almost going through someones front room, is being hailed by ignorant, illiterate, self-deluded, self-pitying idiots as being some sort of "hero", he is what being selfish really means.

You were not physically injured....... try and show a little compassion.

To all the other people on here who have complained about this poor man, are you now going to stop yourselves or your children watching violent programmes on tv or playing violent video games? - somehow I doubt it?

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Mandy, Petts Wood says...
5:16pm Mon 18 Feb 08

I think it is time we all moved on in our own lifes. Yes it is tragic this man felt the need to end his life and yes the way he did could have hurt another individual in the Glades, but luckily he did not. I was there just after it happened and realise people can be shocked and upset, but can you imagine what his Mother, family and friend are going through , lets now leave them to grieve and let this man Rest In Peace. God Bless

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Ad, petts wood says...
5:18pm Mon 18 Feb 08

i agree mandy

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mcbain, bromley says...
5:28pm Mon 18 Feb 08

Well said, Mandy.

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Irrelevant, Kent says...
6:28pm Mon 18 Feb 08

The young man has sadly died.

All the debating and rumours cannot bring him back.

News Shopper it's time to shut this down now. Please show some respect for the family, PLEASE .

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Anon, says...
6:55pm Mon 18 Feb 08

This thread should be closed, clearly some of those posting are not grown up enough to have a sensible discussion over this.

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Your Lord Erastus Theobald Piggott, Home says...
7:00pm Mon 18 Feb 08

It appears, after reading these comments, that Erastus is not so bad after all, is he?

Insensitive comments abound here.

Simon Bull has certainly got his work cut out with some of you.

Your Lord, Erastus Theobald Piggott

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Ellie, Bromley says...
7:17pm Mon 18 Feb 08

I was there, and I can safely say that the lower mall was not at all closed off. I found this very disrespectful as many people were standing and staring. the cloest it came to being cordonned off, was the small square in which it happen had a banner cordonning it off. But people from the upper mall were looking down and could see the poor man.

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mrs philip, bromley says...
7:22pm Mon 18 Feb 08

Oh so sad ! my thoughts are with you all god bless and rest in peace.

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K, says...
7:29pm Mon 18 Feb 08

Yes, this should be closed because people are just using it as a chance to gossip.
Everyone is entitled to their own opinion and the readers should allow that rather than just arguing over it.
It is very sad indeed to think of what state of mind this man was in and my heart goes out to his family and friends.
However, I can understand the thoughts of the shoppers who were just a few feet away at the time, because although luckily noone else was hurt, there was still a chance someone could have been. Now how would he be feeling now if he had survived the fall but killed or injured someone else in the long run!?

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tanya, bromley says...
7:56pm Mon 18 Feb 08

how incredibly sad. i dint see it happen but was there after. it wasnt nice, however it is definatly worse for the guys family ect. poor chap has gone to a better place. my thoughts are with his loved ones. RIP mate

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Jackie, orpington says...
9:13pm Mon 18 Feb 08

A tragic loss of a young mans life. Hard for those who witnessed it and tried to help to deal with. No one has the right to criticise, or judge, or make inappropriate and hurtful comments. God bless him, his family and friends.

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Delilah, says...
9:18pm Mon 18 Feb 08

peter wrote:

L wrote: people are saying he is not selfish. i witnessed him jump and land and he nearly killed me my mum and my son. he landed about 5 feet away from us.he didnt take into consideration the shoppers in the busy shopping centre or what effect it would have on us witnessing it. he may of had health problems but he was a very selfish man who nearly killed my baby son.
God, I cannot believe you can write such selfish, self-centred, pitying crap. The 21 year old illegal driving, inconsiderate, mini driver who has destroyed numerous lives by not only killing himself and actually injuring people, putting six people in hospital,and almost going through someones front room, is being hailed by ignorant, illiterate, self-deluded, self-pitying idiots as being some sort of \"hero\", he is what being selfish really means. You were not physically injured....... try and show a little compassion. To all the other people on here who have complained about this poor man, are you now going to stop yourselves or your children watching violent programmes on tv or playing violent video games? - somehow I doubt it?

peter from beckenham, are you completly stupid and ignorant? i would guess yes. mental health must be a terrible thing to go through but the man nearly landed near someones INNOCENT child, this could have been catastrophic. it is only luck that it wasn't worse. people have a right to express their anger at what may have happened. you can be ignorant and say "it did not" but you weren't there and can't possibly comment on what it must have been like to witness. i feel for this man but i feel for his family more. i also feel for those who were forced to witness his demise. you talk about "physical injury" but what about the mental scars seeing something like this can cause.

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rest in peace peter, 938-665 says...
9:54pm Mon 18 Feb 08

this was posted on the Update: Man critically ill after shopping centre jump when first report Posted by: T, Croydon on 8:46pm today
I am the young man's cousin and I would just like to say before you go saying stuff on here, spare a thought for his poor parents who are in pieces. I hope nothing like this ever happens to anyone of you. Hope you can RIP now Peter. Always in our thoughts. xx

lets all let Peter rest in peace now!

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sc, Bromley says...
11:05pm Mon 18 Feb 08

I HAVE NO SYMPATHY FOR THIS BLOKE...I WAS WORKIN IN THE GLADES AT THE TIME AND SAW THIS MAN LYING IN HIS BLOOD WHILE CHILDREN SCREAM!! HOW SELFISH OF HIM!!

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anon, West Wickham says...
12:00am Tue 19 Feb 08

I work in M&S and I was on my lunch break, saw the whole thing, terrible, the effect it had on the M&S team was dreadful R.I.P and its quite shocking to see someone post here that KIM helped them out becuase I work along side her and she was so upset!

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Anon, says...
12:02am Tue 19 Feb 08

sc: you have no idea what you are talking about, and if you saw what happened, then why on earth did you not try to help??

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Andrew Tustin, Orpington says...
9:03am Tue 19 Feb 08

I was actually at the centre 15-20 minutes after this happened. I was somewhat taken back by such events, and my smypathy is with the mans family. But what I do find hard to believe as to why no attempts were made to shut the centre (pulling the fire alarm would on been the quickest), myself and others including children saw the incident and the lingering images wont leave me so I hate to think what young children are going through.

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noleen, Orpington says...
9:11am Tue 19 Feb 08

What I can't understand is that they cleaned everything up and then didn't even put a barrier around the spot for the rest of the afternoon. They put a barrier around the cars on show but didn't even think to extend it a little around where he fell. People were walking over the spot and didn't even know what had happened earlier. So awful.

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Karen, Bromley says...
9:15am Tue 19 Feb 08

I was in Bromley on Saturday with my family - my husband saw this while I was went outside with my children (thank God they didn't see it) I can't stop thinking about this poor man and his family, about how low he must have been to have done this. But I was absolutely disgusted with The Glades for not closing the shopping centre. Surely in moments like this the doors should have been closed or a complete area closed down. This fact, and the comments from some very shallow people has brought it home to me how incredibly materialistic and selfish this society is. Shame on all of us....

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M, Bromley says...
9:31am Tue 19 Feb 08

rest in peace peter wrote:
this was posted on the Update: Man critically ill after shopping centre jump when first report Posted by: T, Croydon on 8:46pm today I am the young man's cousin and I would just like to say before you go saying stuff on here, spare a thought for his poor parents who are in pieces. I hope nothing like this ever happens to anyone of you. Hope you can RIP now Peter. Always in our thoughts. xx lets all let Peter rest in peace now!

please read and see the stress and upset some of these postings are causing Peters family. RIP PETER

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Kate, Bromley says...
12:10pm Tue 19 Feb 08

Marina wrote:
I don't think it's entirely morbid curiosity. I think having experienced what we have we just need to try to understand it and many people writing into this forum are probably witnesses looking for some kind of explanation. I know I feel the need to try to understand it, to try to put some kind of reason to an otherwise unfathomable event

I personally think this is the wisest comment I have read on here to date. We are all just trying to make sense of this truly sad experience. I wasn't there but a couple of hours later, and it is still an extraordinarily traumatic story to think about. Lets hope this very sad incident wasn't drug or alcohol related, or sparked by a disagreement which we all would have hoped could have been resolved for him,a terrible waste of this man's life RIP

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Bec, says...
12:20pm Tue 19 Feb 08

I was at the glades shopping when this happened, didn't see him fall but heard the screams & saw the blood left after the amulance took him away. What a sad way to go & all my sympahies to his family & loved ones. BUT I am grateful that he only took himself & not an innocent passerby with him as it was a very open & popular place he chose to do it & he could have cause the death or serious injury of an innocent person. RIP. I hope he has now found the peace he was looking for.

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E, croydon says...
1:12pm Tue 19 Feb 08

Some of the comments on here are upsetting and disrespectful. The wrong man was part of my family and I only hope one else has to suffer the way his mum and dad are. Now lets leave him and his family in peace.
RIP PETE
XX

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leyla and amy, bromley, london says...
1:16pm Tue 19 Feb 08

we was coming out of faith when we heard loud screamin from the upper level and as we looked up he was in the air and we see him hit the ground, he just missed a womans buggy, we fill sorry for him but he is selfish because he risked other peoples life,it has affected us as we keep getting flashbacks from it.

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E, croydon says...
1:26pm Tue 19 Feb 08

leyla and amy wrote:
we was coming out of faith when we heard loud screamin from the upper level and as we looked up he was in the air and we see him hit the ground, he just missed a womans buggy, we fill sorry for him but he is selfish because he risked other peoples life,it has affected us as we keep getting flashbacks from it.

you may have flashbacks but a family has lost a loved one.

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kate, bromley says...
1:31pm Tue 19 Feb 08

was he arguein wiv his gf? or did he just ave problems?

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mt, says...
1:39pm Tue 19 Feb 08

Does'nt really matter now does it ?

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....., ..... says...
1:53pm Tue 19 Feb 08

e-Croydon would just like to say sorry for your loss, for Pete to have done this he must have been very ill and my thoughts go out to him, shame he could not have got the help he needed before this happened. I hope he can now rest in peace and be happy.

To all of the witnesses I would like to say that in time things will get better for you all. it must have been horrible to witness something like this and hope that if any of you need help to come to terms with what you saw you seek it.

Take care all

Rest in Peace Peter xx

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bobbie, says...
1:56pm Tue 19 Feb 08

kate wrote:
was he arguein wiv his gf? or did he just ave problems?

Kate,
You will do well to address your own problems with your spelling and grammar.

I would respectfully suggest that this subject to bed and let the poor grieving family have some dignity and privacy in their bereavement.

Instead of adding to their pain, let us ease their pain with prayers.

I would also request that News Shopper show due respect and call a close to this particual subject out of respect for those still suffering, as it only adds to their pain , reading all these messages.

Let's move on.

.

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Roy, orpington says...
2:28pm Tue 19 Feb 08

R.I.P MATE OUR THOUGHTS R WITH YOU

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kate, bromley says...
2:29pm Tue 19 Feb 08

bobbie go buryin ur head m8

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Charlie, Bromley says...
2:57pm Tue 19 Feb 08

If I were an advertiser on Newsshopper I think I would cancel any advertising I had.

Recently the message boards have turned in to horrid, disrespectfull, self-centered hatred for any unfortunate event. Take the recent car crashes, this horrible event in the glades etc.

People in the area come across as really nasty! This is not good!

Each of these stories have two sides, but slagging off the people who are dead is just plain horrid to the familys of the people involved.

Please show some decorum. Would you be saying what you are saying on these boards to the young dead peoples mums?

I didn't think so.

Charlie

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delia, says...
3:00pm Tue 19 Feb 08

kate wrote:
bobbie go buryin ur head m8

Bobbie i think your reasonable comments are wasted on kate- obviously she is a degenerate.

RIP poor man!

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Kate, Bromley says...
3:31pm Tue 19 Feb 08

Kate, I bet you are a silly little girl with a stupid little attitude, is your hair all pulled over to one side and you walk 'WIV' the big 'I AM' attitude, grow up and use your own name, if you want to post daft little notes then don't copy other's identities, you sad fool.

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mt, says...
3:36pm Tue 19 Feb 08

I think she just in it for the gory details so she can "chat'n' msn". Think this thread should be laid to rest for Peter and his family sake

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arron, new addington says...
3:58pm Tue 19 Feb 08

i would just like to say that all of these people slatting him you r out of order u didnt know him...
i did even though i hadnt seen him for 6 years and i remember him as a good fella and a laugh i dont know what was going on in his life up til this point but my thoughts go out to his family

r.i.p. mate

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arron, new addington says...
4:03pm Tue 19 Feb 08

e-croydon i agree with you m8

lets just let petes famiey greive in peace

r.i.p pete m8

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L, Bromley says...
4:37pm Tue 19 Feb 08

First of all I want to send my condolences to the family of the man involved in this tragic incident. May he rest in peace now.

For all of you who witnessed the incident who feel they may need support there is a number currently displayed near the site of the incident that you can call for help and advise. Sorry I didn't take the number down but I'm sure that the Glades will happily give it out over the phone if you require.

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Vicci, Bromley says...
4:59pm Tue 19 Feb 08

To all you selfish people that feel it ok to pass comment on this poor guy, it is a slap in the face for his already suffering family.
Untill you have lost someone in these tragic circumstances keep you ignorant comments to your self.
You will have no idea of what living hell his family are going through.A note to the lady writing about her child almost being hit... you still have your baby so be thankfull, in twenty years time you could be going through the same thing.

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danielle, mottingham says...
5:46pm Tue 19 Feb 08

you need to get a life stop slagging a dead guy of my mum works in m&s and was there helping yes it was tragic but the petty rows you are having on this site is unfair as his family can read this to. well done to kim benton and everyone at m&s they all were a fantastic help.

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j, says...
6:35pm Tue 19 Feb 08

R.I.P

Next time anyone treats the staff at the glades badly, just see what good things they are capable of doing for anyone !

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Paul, Bromley says...
7:38pm Tue 19 Feb 08

I have long thought that there should be protective and clear plastic covers between floors in shopping malls. Im always paranoid walking beneath those balconies in The Glades and try to avoid them. Im sorry this chap has died, but who knows? He may have landed on someone.

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leanna, lewisham says...
8:13pm Tue 19 Feb 08

my sister works in bromley and i first heard it was a 2 year old which upset me but then found out the truth, i feel sad for the man alot of us are unwell and dont get help he must of needed it i would of been mad if he landed near my son but lets just stop talking about him now and let him rest!!!1

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C, N/fleet says...
8:16pm Tue 19 Feb 08

Life is sacred and the loss of it is always tragic. The cruel comments on this site regarding other's misfortune just shows what a callous lot of lowlifes there are in the area. I suppose even the worst of them is entitled to their damning opinions. What a mean world! I feel so depressed!

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Jane, bromley says...
8:21pm Tue 19 Feb 08

r wrote:
what a selfish bloke. killing himself in a shopping centre he was craving attention. while every1 is thinkin about his family does anyone realise he wasnt thinkin about his own family when he jumped!

I can't believe the ignorance of some people, a very good friend of my killed himself and the only thought that haunts me is how desperate and alone he must of felt to take such action. My thoughts are with the family; please don't feel you let him down.

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anon, orpington says...
9:00pm Tue 19 Feb 08

i am so sorry for the lost of ur dear friend, if you dont mind me askin was he alone when he done it? r.i.p pete x x

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matt, chislehurst says...
9:55pm Tue 19 Feb 08

ive seen some crap written on newsshopper before but this takes the biscuit. let the man rest in piece.

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sally, orpington says...
10:11pm Tue 19 Feb 08

Oh my God, this is so terrible and sad Whatever the circumstances I would just like to offer my condolences to all of this mans family and friends, so very very sad.

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katina lawrence, grove park says...
10:28pm Tue 19 Feb 08

mt wrote:

L wrote: people are saying he is not selfish. i witnessed him jump and land and he nearly killed me my mum and my son. he landed about 5 feet away from us.he didnt take into consideration the shoppers in the busy shopping centre or what effect it would have on us witnessing it. he may of had health problems but he was a very selfish man who nearly killed my baby son.
yes Nearly...translated means he Didnt. for Gods sake when someone is in that state they are not thinking straight, just count yourself lucky you and yer kid are safe, the same cannot be said of the mother of the young man. have some compassion or are you selfish ?

a pathetic quote

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Elaine, Beckenham says...
10:50pm Tue 19 Feb 08

i was in the Glades with my 4 year old son just after it happened and it looked like to me people were doing all they could to help the poor guy,but i do wish they had shut The Glades because i just cant get the image of the guy just lying there out of my head. My thoughts are with his family x

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leyla and amy, bromley, london says...
8:56am Wed 20 Feb 08

E wrote:

leyla and amy wrote: we was coming out of faith when we heard loud screamin from the upper level and as we looked up he was in the air and we see him hit the ground, he just missed a womans buggy, we fill sorry for him but he is selfish because he risked other peoples life,it has affected us as we keep getting flashbacks from it.
you may have flashbacks but a family has lost a loved one.

he has traumatised many people not just the family left behind, he could of killed other innocent people on the ground floor,was it fair that little children has to witness it!

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noleen, Orpington says...
9:12am Wed 20 Feb 08

No, it's not ideal that little kids had to see that and it is terrible but the man wasn't well, he certainly wasn't thinking rationally to do something like that. If he was thinking rationally, he wouldn't have done it. It's not a selfish act, people who commit suicide are ill, not selfish as they are not in a clear frame of mind. It's just so sad.

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mt, says...
9:25am Wed 20 Feb 08

That was a long time coming Noleen...a sensible post amongst a lot of horrible people. "Little kids"? they will forget in time, adults who saw it will prob take longer, if i had seen it i dont think i could go to the glades for a long time. For all you mealy mouthed lot moaning how he COULD have landed on someone innocent please shut up, HE DIDNT OK ? now let the lad rest in peace

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jj, bromley says...
10:18am Wed 20 Feb 08

my friend heard the thud of this man hit the floor and i saw him laying there. apparently his shoes were at the top wher he jumped..rip

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mt, says...
10:41am Wed 20 Feb 08

Please, was that last post necessary ? this is like vultures picking over the bones. do we really need to know about his shoes or any other detail ? why dont you go the whole hog and describe the expression on his face ????? !!!!! Please - no more, think of his family who could be reading this.

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s, bromley says...
10:53am Wed 20 Feb 08

i heard this from my nan who was there she said it was alful i really feel for his family
RIP
:(

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ppppppppp, westwickem says...
10:59am Wed 20 Feb 08

who cares he could of landed on someone wat was he thinking but still RIP

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kate, bromley says...
12:13pm Wed 20 Feb 08

mt wrote:
Please, was that last post necessary ? this is like vultures picking over the bones. do we really need to know about his shoes or any other detail ? why dont you go the whole hog and describe the expression on his face ????? !!!!! Please - no more, think of his family who could be reading this.

I wouldn't go too over the top, regarding your expression of his face - you said that!?. I don't think commenting about where his shoes were was particularly offensive. Have you not considered that the parents might just possibly gain a small amount comfort from knowing we are all talking about it..and that is because we are all deeply sadenned. Perhaps people could just stop finger pointing and critizing people who are just saying what they feel, most are not being offensive at all.

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mt, says...
12:51pm Wed 20 Feb 08

I was being sarcastic kate when I said about the expression ..doh, neither did i say the shoe comment was offensive,.. double doh ! how can a parent take comfort in some people sensationalising their sons death ? sympathising maybe yes, not the whereabouts of his clothing - that is too much (un necessary) information.

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ashley, at my desk says...
1:39pm Wed 20 Feb 08

mt wrote:
That was a long time coming Noleen...a sensible post amongst a lot of horrible people. "Little kids"? they will forget in time, adults who saw it will prob take longer, if i had seen it i dont think i could go to the glades for a long time. For all you mealy mouthed lot moaning how he COULD have landed on someone innocent please shut up, HE DIDNT OK ? now let the lad rest in peace

I just wanted to comment on your post as i have experienced this myself- I was 6 years old when i was walking down a street with my dad when i saw a man jump off a bridge in front of us he must of died as there was so much blood! That was 21years ago and whenever i hear the word suicide or anything to do with it i suddenly get them awful flashbacks of the sound of the thud to the state of that poor bloke, so NO some children dont forget! i feel sad that this man was obviously ill, but this tragedy could have been so much worse! It was only by luck that it was`nt worse

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Anna, Kent says...
2:30pm Wed 20 Feb 08

My sympathies are with his family.

And also with the people who witnessed this sad event - including the pregnant lady who he nearly landed on. It was this young man's choice to kill himself, not the choice of passers by to witness it.

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Kate, Bromley says...
2:48pm Wed 20 Feb 08

mt wrote:
I was being sarcastic kate when I said about the expression ..doh, neither did i say the shoe comment was offensive,.. double doh ! how can a parent take comfort in some people sensationalising their sons death ? sympathising maybe yes, not the whereabouts of his clothing - that is too much (un necessary) information.

aren't you 'sensationalising' the story by posing the question... 'why dont you go the whole hog and describe the expression on his face ?' Yes I see your being sarcastic but you are still presenting something sensational there and nobody would or has actually done that. All I am saying is people who lose a child(as my best friend did) aren't as easily upset by people just being inquisitive, asking questions, or speaking about the event, just wanting to make sense of it all. Im am sure that we all totally sympathise but its human nature and not a bad thing to discuss it.

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Dom, SE London says...
3:04pm Wed 20 Feb 08

I can't believe some people are still writing comments and passing judgement where it is not needed . This poor bloke has died. The girl who wrote that he was a selfish man who nearly killed her little kid. Your child is still here. This bloke's parents and family are grieving because their child has died .

Please have and show some respect.

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mt, says...
3:21pm Wed 20 Feb 08

Dom wrote:
I can't believe some people are still writing comments and passing judgement where it is not needed . This poor bloke has died. The girl who wrote that he was a selfish man who nearly killed her little kid. Your child is still here. This bloke's parents and family are grieving because their child has died . Please have and show some respect.

Thank heavens for you Dom. Hopefully this will be the end of it.

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Holly, Bromlet says...
5:57pm Wed 20 Feb 08

Rip To This Man x
very Sad

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tim, unknown says...
6:17pm Wed 20 Feb 08

rip young man we all care!* xxx

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anon, Bromley says...
6:53pm Wed 20 Feb 08

I went into the Glades today after this terrible event over the weekend and it will never be the same again for me. I was crying and feeling sick at the same time today. Looked up from where he jumped and was full of compassion for this guy. So many things must have entered his mind. Please let his family grieve in peace and stop all this guessing work. R.I.P young man

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Janet, Sidcup says...
7:09pm Wed 20 Feb 08

I just cannot believe that no-one at the News Shopper polices these comments before they are read by all, particularly this poor man's family and friends. Every news item that invites comments opens up the opportunity for people who know very little to say far too much.
RIP Peter and sympathies to his family and friends x

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ChynaCOdy, BrOmley says...
7:13pm Wed 20 Feb 08

R.i.P i was at broley when it happened

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nina, bromley says...
7:28pm Wed 20 Feb 08

i cant not belive what im reading speculation after speculation, no one know what was going through that poor mans head and no one ever will. people are commenting on how selfish he has been, but yet all i read is "how tromatised people are and how they will never got over the images, and of things they saw." i was not in the glades i was not a witness. it must have been a horrible thing to have witnessed.
my heart goes out to his friends and his loved ones. the poor man needs to be pittied to have carried out such a brutal act upon himself what a horriable dark place he must have been in. please i ask, just take a momment and remeber this is a person, this is somebodies someone have some respect. dont be judge mentle, look at the bigger picture.

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Mandy, Petts Wood says...
8:24pm Wed 20 Feb 08

I think it is time we all moved on in our own lifes. Yes it is tragic Peter felt the need to end his life and yes the way he did could have hurt another individual in the Glades, but luckily he did not. I was there just after it happened and realise how people can be shocked and upset, but can you imagine what his Mother, family and friends are going through , lets now leave them to grieve and let this man Rest In Peace. For those of you whose children sadly saw the incident the sooner you as parents move on and return to your normal family routine the better for the child.

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Thomas, Bromley says...
10:52pm Wed 20 Feb 08

I sincerely hope the News Shopper heeds the glaringly obvious salutary lesson from this and the related forum and reassesses how it manages these sorts of things.
Simply allowing people to make unregulated, unchecked comments on such sensitive stories is outrageous and a complete abrogation of responsibility.
Those on here who attack posters who make inappropriate or even just near the knuckle comments are totally missing the point. The onus to ensure comments are fair and reasonable is not on those who post messages, but on those who host them.
It is simply not enough to hide behind saying you expect people to abide by the terms of use. No one reads the terms, and why do they need to when there is no proactive sanction? (To prove my point, I'm deliberately using a false name and a fake email address, as I imagine lots of people do). Of course, abusive messages can be removed - but only after the damage has been done.
It is depressingly symptomatic of media managers everywhere who salivate at the thought of using this wonderful "new" technology without any consideration (or real concern) for how it will operate, and without proper resourcing and staffing. They are blinded by the shallow lure of "user-interactivity" and blatantly ignore their responsibility to check and edit material they publish - a responsibility, one would hope, they are proud to bear when it comes to the pages of their newspapers. Why should the internet be any different?
Sadly, as long as these pages get the required amount of hits to keep the advertisers interested, organisations like the News Shopper will only quicken their pace down this sorry track. Unless we, the readers, press them to do otherwise.

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cookie+ shortie, newaddington says...
11:00pm Wed 20 Feb 08

i know his cousins and they are good friends of mine still.. I knew him also but had not spoke to him in a few years due to setteling down and having a family elsewhere. But i hope you R.I.P mate and my deepest sympathy to every one else in his family also..

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A.B., Bromley says...
11:37pm Wed 20 Feb 08

I emailed one of the editors at the Newshopper last night, and have had no reply. Either they're looking to see how the replies to this article pan out, or are burying their heads about it. It really is ridiculous, this thread ought to be closed. If this were a relative or a friend of mine, I'd be mortified at some of what has been said.

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Thomas, Bromley says...
12:02am Thu 21 Feb 08

While I don't blame him because he's simply doing the company's bidding, I've read the News Shopper's web editor's previous comments about "self-regulation" and "free speech". Self regulation, as I said before, is a fallacy and an abrogation of responsibility and free speech is not absolute. If they are so keen on freely publishing readers' comments why do they check and edit letters for the newspaper? Why not just print them all, complete with the green ink many of them are written in?

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Charlie, Brromley says...
10:30am Thu 21 Feb 08

Thomas wrote:
I sincerely hope the News Shopper heeds the glaringly obvious salutary lesson from this and the related forum and reassesses how it manages these sorts of things.
Simply allowing people to make unregulated, unchecked comments on such sensitive stories is outrageous and a complete abrogation of responsibility.
Those on here who attack posters who make inappropriate or even just near the knuckle comments are totally missing the point. The onus to ensure comments are fair and reasonable is not on those who post messages, but on those who host them.
It is simply not enough to hide behind saying you expect people to abide by the terms of use. No one reads the terms, and why do they need to when there is no proactive sanction? (To prove my point, I'm deliberately using a false name and a fake email address, as I imagine lots of people do). Of course, abusive messages can be removed - but only after the damage has been done.
It is depressingly symptomatic of media managers everywhere who salivate at the thought of using this wonderful "new" technology without any consideration (or real concern) for how it will operate, and without proper resourcing and staffing. They are blinded by the shallow lure of "user-interactivity" and blatantly ignore their responsibility to check and edit material they publish - a responsibility, one would hope, they are proud to bear when it comes to the pages of their newspapers. Why should the internet be any different?
Sadly, as long as these pages get the required amount of hits to keep the advertisers interested, organisations like the News Shopper will only quicken their pace down this sorry track. Unless we, the readers, press them to do otherwise.

The most sensible comment on these messageboards in ages.

Many Web 2.0 sites are cuirrently suffering with advertisers pulling out as well, as they don't want their brand associated with unregulated comments. You can easily end up with the lowest common denominator.

Newsshopper must act resposibly and now, and not just sit around a meeting room counting web page hits.

Come on Simon Bull, what are you doing?

[quote][bold]Thomas[/bold] wrote: I sincerely hope the News Shopper heeds the glaringly obvious salutary lesson from this and the related forum and reassesses how it manages these sorts of things. Simply allowing people to make unregulated, unchecked comments on such sensitive stories is outrageous and a complete abrogation of responsibility. Those on here who attack posters who make inappropriate or even just near the knuckle comments are totally missing the point. The onus to ensure comments are fair and reasonable is not on those who post messages, but on those who host them. It is simply not enough to hide behind saying you expect people to abide by the terms of use. No one reads the terms, and why do they need to when there is no proactive sanction? (To prove my point, I'm deliberately using a false name and a fake email address, as I imagine lots of people do). Of course, abusive messages can be removed - but only after the damage has been done. It is depressingly symptomatic of media managers everywhere who salivate at the thought of using this wonderful "new" technology without any consideration (or real concern) for how it will operate, and without proper resourcing and staffing. They are blinded by the shallow lure of "user-interactivity" and blatantly ignore their responsibility to check and edit material they publish - a responsibility, one would hope, they are proud to bear when it comes to the pages of their newspapers. Why should the internet be any different? Sadly, as long as these pages get the required amount of hits to keep the advertisers interested, organisations like the News Shopper will only quicken their pace down this sorry track. Unless we, the readers, press them to do otherwise.[/quote] The most sensible comment on these messageboards in ages. Many Web 2.0 sites are cuirrently suffering with advertisers pulling out as well, as they don't want their brand associated with unregulated comments. You can easily end up with the lowest common denominator. Newsshopper must act resposibly and now, and not just sit around a meeting room counting web page hits. Come on Simon Bull, what are you doing?

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Mandy, Bromley says...
11:19am Thu 21 Feb 08

This poor man must have been in such turmoil that he couldn't think about anything else. When you get to that point you just want to end everything and it's impossible to consider anything or anyone else - I know, I've been there, I couldn't even get it into my head how it would affect my children and the rest of my family if I died. I was lucky I got the help I needed and came through the other side. This poor guy and his family don't have that luxury. Please let him rest in peace and his family come to terms with this awful tragedy. My heart goes out to all of them.

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jo, bromley says...
5:10pm Thu 21 Feb 08

I was there a few seconds after the man jumped. My heart goes out to the family. But the man should of thought of the young children and people that saw this. It was not nice at all. I do think this was selfish and he obvously needed help. R.I.P

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jo, bromley says...
5:14pm Thu 21 Feb 08

I no some people dont agree to what some people are saying but everyone has there own point of views, and its a free country to say what u feel

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Blackrat, London. SE says...
8:59pm Thu 21 Feb 08

The sad event that has attracted so many responses, cannot be reversed. My condolences go out to family and friends who have not only lost a close member of their family but now face the terrible task of getting their lives back on track. Some comments have indicated sincere feelings as to what has taken place. Some, unfortunately have been less thoughtful under the circumstances.
May I respectfully suggest that those who actually witnessed this tragedy at CLOSE quarters. Please consult your doctor for advice and help. Believe me. Even for individuals like the emergency services, NEVER get used to these events. Don't let yourself become ill over the after reactions, which can continue for a long time.

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anon, Le says...
12:41am Fri 22 Feb 08

Time to End this forum.

RIP Peter xxx
God Have Mercy xx

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Charlie, Bromley says...
9:52am Fri 22 Feb 08

Shame on Newsshopper for allowing this to carry on.

A simple test should be applied. Would you print these messages in your paper? No? Then why are they here?

I dont see any of the big papers/media companies have unmoderated messages being published immediately. Their lawers are to on the ball.

But Newsshopper is obviouly just a wannabe local paper with wannabe editors going for the Shock value.

Shame on you

I'm deleting by favorite to Newsshoper now.

Goodbye

PS. Why has Simon Bull gone all silent recently?

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mt, says...
10:26am Fri 22 Feb 08

He probably sick to death of having to repeat himself over and over again. People are entitled to their opinion - you dont have to agree with everyone - be a bit boring, some people think Peter was selfish, some think not, some people saw it happen, some didnt. you dont have to read the comments you know.by the way they are reporters doing their job, NOT unpaid babysitters sat around waiting for someone to spit their dummy out cos they dont like something.

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Mark, Darftord says...
10:27am Fri 22 Feb 08

This is very tragic.
But how would we read about news, if not first hand.
I think, most on the Website, are appriciative of the news.However, coments are down to the individials, not a reflection of the news.

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Charlie, Bromley says...
11:03am Fri 22 Feb 08

mt wrote:
He probably sick to death of having to repeat himself over and over again. People are entitled to their opinion - you dont have to agree with everyone - be a bit boring, some people think Peter was selfish, some think not, some people saw it happen, some didnt. you dont have to read the comments you know.by the way they are reporters doing their job, NOT unpaid babysitters sat around waiting for someone to spit their dummy out cos they dont like something.

I'm not against the comments I dont like - infact I would promote them.

What I am against is some the messages that appear night after night and then get removed in the morning.Did you see mt the remarks that where on this board last night for example, and also on the board about the car crash in Petts Wood?

People keep quoting Freedom of Speech. FoS is fine and good, but it comes with resposibilities. And its not totaly free. You cannot under the FoS banner freely defame, be obscene, lie, profane, incite hatred, noise polute, breach copyrighe, and so on.

Now many of the messages are falling into some of the exceptions above, or falling faul of good taste. Now surely NewsShopper has to protect its Brand. By allowing total unregulated messgages in the evening, I would say that Simon Bell is not do enough to protect the NewsShopper Brand, and some of the messages may even be illegal - to which Simon Bull has a responibility. Just because they are removed by 10 am the following day does not mean the damage is not done. Google Cache for example may retain that message for days. Or the parties involved may have read them in the period before removal.

My argument is this: Fine have a message board. Message Boards are good. But it needs to be fully moderated (look at the BBC news ones for example). Registration needs to be essential. Moderation is not censorship. Just beacuse you dont agree with a message is not a reason to pull it. Just because a message is in TXT format is no reason to pull it. It should only be pulled if it breaches the law or reasonable taste.

I thank you for listening to my rant!

C

[quote][bold]mt[/bold] wrote: He probably sick to death of having to repeat himself over and over again. People are entitled to their opinion - you dont have to agree with everyone - be a bit boring, some people think Peter was selfish, some think not, some people saw it happen, some didnt. you dont have to read the comments you know.by the way they are reporters doing their job, NOT unpaid babysitters sat around waiting for someone to spit their dummy out cos they dont like something.[/quote] I'm not against the comments I dont like - infact I would promote them. What I am against is some the messages that appear night after night and then get removed in the morning.Did you see mt the remarks that where on this board last night for example, and also on the board about the car crash in Petts Wood? People keep quoting Freedom of Speech. FoS is fine and good, but it comes with resposibilities. And its not totaly free. You cannot under the FoS banner freely defame, be obscene, lie, profane, incite hatred, noise polute, breach copyrighe, and so on. Now many of the messages are falling into some of the exceptions above, or falling faul of good taste. Now surely NewsShopper has to protect its Brand. By allowing total unregulated messgages in the evening, I would say that Simon Bell is not do enough to protect the NewsShopper Brand, and some of the messages may even be illegal - to which Simon Bull has a responibility. Just because they are removed by 10 am the following day does not mean the damage is not done. Google Cache for example may retain that message for days. Or the parties involved may have read them in the period before removal. My argument is this: Fine have a message board. Message Boards are good. But it needs to be fully moderated (look at the BBC news ones for example). Registration needs to be essential. Moderation is not censorship. Just beacuse you dont agree with a message is not a reason to pull it. Just because a message is in TXT format is no reason to pull it. It should only be pulled if it breaches the law or reasonable taste. I thank you for listening to my rant! C

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Hannah, South London says...
2:18pm Fri 22 Feb 08

I fortuntely had the opportunity to spend New Years Eve 07 with Peter in a small group of friends.
Although this was the first time we'd met, he came accross as a lovely guy, and my fiance really got on well with him.
Even from this short time spent with him, i do not believe what happened last saturday was him being selfish, he was a very nice man, and was obviously very ill.
My condolences are with his family, and those nearest and dearest to him (you know who you are).
May peace be with him.
I do not think it is anyone's right to judge him.
xx

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R, Sidcup says...
2:39pm Fri 22 Feb 08

My thoughts go out to his family, friends and his girlfriend. I was working in the centre at the time and had to continue working for the rest of the day, both myself and my staff were all traumatised as we all witnessed the event, this event will stay with every1 who witnessed or heard it for a long time, but in time it will get easier, but please all spare a thought for the people who knew him as it will take alot longer for them. We all have our own oppinions but if they are in any way offensive to others then please dont share them as you are only making his family and friends suffer. He obviously had his reasons for doing what he done at least he is in a better place now. REST IN PEACE.x

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Passer By, says...
1:21am Sat 23 Feb 08

RIP x Your in a better place now mate!Such a tragic way for ones life to end. There was an obvious reason for why this man took his own life and only he knows that. We shouldn't be judging whether what he did was right or wrong because at the end of the day we are all human and we all have feelings. My thoughts are with this young mans family and friends x

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mazy, sidcup says...
8:34am Sat 23 Feb 08

TO THE YOUNG MANS FAMILY SO SORRY FOR YOUR VERY SAD LOSS . MAY HE REST IN PEACE.
SLEEP TIGHT YOUNG ONE
XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX
XX
I LOST SOMEONE CLOSE TO ME BY TAKING THERE
OWN LIFE AND BY GOD YOU WILL WILL NEVER KNOW THE PAIN IT LEAVES YOU WITH IT RIPS YOUR HEART OUT .
MY LOVE AND THOUGHTS ARE WITH HIS MUM AND DAD AND FAMILY AND LOVEONES ****

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