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Video: Gang members speak out

12:18pm Wednesday 16th January 2008

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MEMBERS of the IVS gang - which murdered teenager Faridon Alizada belonged to - have spoken to News Shopper.

The teenager, who was also known as Fighterrr, was stabbed to death in Erith on January 5 - just four days after his 18th birthday.

Since his killing hundreds of comments have been posted on News Shopper's website condemning his gang lifestyle and branding the IVS gang as thugs.

Full name the Invincibles, IVS claims to have more than 100 members in the Bexley and north Kent area.

Members of the gang contacted News Shopper wanting to defend their friend - who they had known for three years - and to tell their own story.

Reporter Jon Cheetham met them and heard how they are in jobs and college, and trying to make something of their lives.

And they told him Mr Alizada had a bright future too, studying carpentry at Shooters Hill College.

Below is a copy of the conversation. The gang members wanted only to be called by their nicknames.

News Shopper: Was Fighterrr dealing drugs?

Brutal, aged 18: Fighterrr wasn't a drug dealer. He had so much love. People killed him thinking he had drugs.

Levelz, 18: He was visiting friends. He goes there to chill with his friends. But the flat was a crack den - the whole estate is.

News Shopper: Who was Fighterrr with when he died - where they members of IVS?

Vesk, 17: They were friends of his. They weren't in IVS but one of them is associated with IVS.

News Shopper: You have asked to be called only by your nicknames. Why do you use these names? Are they gang names?

Vesk: They are just names that stick with you. Other people started calling you it. They are not necessarily gang names. It depends on what your definition of a gang is.

Levelz: The definition of our group is a family.

News Shopper: But there is a negative side to this - like the violence. Do you get involved in fights?

Brutal: We only do things we have to do. If we are getting attacked we are going to back our friends.

Skamz, 21: We don't start things for no reason.

News Shopper: What about Fighterrr - his names suggests he liked to fight?

Brutal: He came through a lot.

They all agree.

Vesk: He was very proud and would fight for what he believed in.

Levelz: It's not meant literally.

News Shopper: What do you mean when you say he came through a lot?

Brutal: Fighterrr didn't get involved with things that had nothing to do with him. But in the area that we come from - Dartford, Welling and Sidcup - some people are racist.

Skamz: We are a multicultural group and that is the problem because we have people who are black and Asian.

Brutal: Other gangs team up on us because we have other colours. Some gangs like RA are racist. And they don't care they are racist.

News Shopper: What does the name RA stand for?

Brutal: Racial Attackers.

Skamz: If you are black and live in that area you can't turn around and say something because they will attack you.

Brutal: There are a lot more white people in our area. Why are we going to bully elderly people and little kids?

Vesk: We are in the wrong by fighting back but we are not going to run away.

News Shopper: Do you carry knives?

Vesk: People make assumptions about us saying we are fighters and walk around the streets with knives. None of us carry weapons or knives.

Brutal: We are not even a gang that is out for fighting. Every gang gets it when people start talking about how many people you have. As soon as you get a name for yourselves people want to get you. Adults don't understand that. They think you just want to fight and want to be hard but we don't boast about the things we do.

News Shopper: How many people are in IVS?

Vesk: It is in treble figures.

Snipzy, 18: We started as a small group but because people are suffering they come and join our group.

News Shopper: How did you become involved in IVS?

Vesk: It all started two years ago when I was young and wanted a name for myself and started a gang and then I changed as I grew older and realised life isn't about the streets and fighting. We have girlfriends and are learning to drive and move on with life.

Levelz: Most of us have jobs or go to college. We are all trying to get on. But maybe you want to go out somewhere but you can't go there because people hate you. If you go somewhere like Bexleyheath it is going to kick off. We just want to chill.

News Shopper: Do all the members of IVS feel the same way?

Skamz: I can't say every single member of IVS is like us because we have other members who want to prove something and they give us the bad image.

Brutal: There are some members who will possibly fight for no reason.

Skamz: We are the older line so we move how we move - the youngsters don't understand.

Brutal: They are out to be like us.

News Shopper: What will IVS do now that one of its members has been killed?

Skamz: If something happens - like this - we are hurt.

Vesk: I am a Muslim and I believe that Allah decides so if I get stabbed it is my time to go. I shed tears for Fighterrr - but I will not feel the pressure for him.

Brutal: Everyone here has shed tears for Fighterrr.

Levelz: I have cried for days.

  • Respect to Fighterrr: Watch gang members' tribute on video - click here


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mt, says...
1:02pm Wed 16 Jan 08

well, dont think this has happend before, being interviwed ? i hope you all get the life and chances everyone deserves. good luck.

Erastus, The Kitchen says...
1:06pm Wed 16 Jan 08

This has not changed my opinion one bit! Just look at the photograph and then visualise how intimidating these yobs could appear to elderly people or anyone for that matter.

Respectable members of society do not roam the streets in gangs. I don't care what any of them are studying at college - get it into your heads that people object to your lifestyles, laddies.

mt, says...
1:14pm Wed 16 Jan 08

most kids look like this. 50's there were teddy boys/mods. 60's
i dont know. 70's punks. on saturday i went out and when we all left the pub (slightly the worse for wear) ....there were 6 of us, we wernt very quiet...and we all in our early 40's. would we be a gang ?

Erastus, The Lounge says...
1:26pm Wed 16 Jan 08

There is a big difference between a few old has-beens leaving the pub after too many light and bitters, singing Roll Out The Barrel and hugging one another before vomiting into the gutter and a large group of intimidating kids.

I think you know that in your heart of hearts, mt.

PS: nice to know you can still get out.

anon, anon says...
1:35pm Wed 16 Jan 08

Absolute drivel!
Try telling my husband, who is a police officer, that these type of gangs do not cause problems or trying telling gang members robbery/rape/knife and gun victims the same.
My husband had to work New Year's Eve when silly gangs like the 'IVS' were out in force, stabbing one another. My husband was called to one such incident only to be given a load of verbal abuse by one of the 'victims'. Why should my husband be trated like that? The same abuse was also dished out to the paramedics who are trying to help these idiots. I would let them bleed to death if I were in that position being abused by idiots who carry knives - all gang members do.
I am fortunate to live in a nice area of Kent where gangs of youths do not wander the streets trying to imtimidate 'normal' decent citizens.
My advice to these gang members - get a life, it's not big, it's not clever and GROW UP.

Erastus, The Bar says...
1:41pm Wed 16 Jan 08

Well said, Anon! I absolutely agree with everything you said.


mt, says...
1:42pm Wed 16 Jan 08

Erastus wrote:
There is a big difference between a few old has-beens leaving the pub after too many light and bitters, singing Roll Out The Barrel and hugging one another before vomiting into the gutter and a large group of intimidating kids. I think you know that in your heart of hearts, mt. PS: nice to know you can still get out.
well Erastus - with a name like that i should imagine you are from BC times you must be ancient. i do not vomit in the gutter-drinks far to pricey to waste. roll out the barrel...another oldie, so i take back my comment about BC you prob born in the 20's ? - and you talk about me being a has been !. i am used to your sarcastic drivel, all i am saying is i hope these 5 kids stick to the right path, get jobs/behave etc. thats all.

Erastus, The Sofa says...
1:47pm Wed 16 Jan 08

Yes, I do come from BC times. Do you know what the BC stands for? BC = Before Crime.

By the way, in future do you think you might remember that a sentence starts with a capital letter?

dmd, says...
1:48pm Wed 16 Jan 08

just because the boys of i v s have spoken to the newspaper are we to believe now that they aren`t a gang and they have never done nothing wrong and they are always in the wrong place at the wrong time,, who would you believe ,, them or the people that have spoken about the gang and have been attacked by them. they will always stick up for one of there members and say that they did nothing wrong,, we all saw the clips on youtube and some of us know what they are really like,, all gangs should be sorted out and they should not blame each other as they are all as bad as each other...

A MUM, Kent says...
1:49pm Wed 16 Jan 08

What aloud of crap! You say He was a nice boy, your all trying to came across like your nice boys (bullsh*t) in the video one of you say…your son comes home about half 12 yeah with a black eye yeah, what was he doing out that late, why did you let him out that late, WELL let me tell you, my sons is 18, he went to the fun fair in damson park with he’s girlfriend of 2 years, he got jumped by about 12 mugs for no reason at all, that was around 8 o’clock in the evening, did he ask for that? NO he didn’t, was in in a gang? NO he wasn’t, then we had a van load of mugs looking for him, they was driving pass my house, the oldest one in the back of the van was 28 years old ha ha ha BIG MEN! I think NOT. My son should be able to go where he likes and at what time he likes and be safe.

Then he got robed of he’s phone by 8 black mugs, he was out walking our dog, they followed him into a shop and tried to beat him over the head with glass jars they picked up from the counter in the shop, did he ask for that too? NO HE NEVER!

My son left school last year, in he’s exams he’s got Es & Fs but I told him it don’t matter you tried your best, and as long as my son gives me he’s best im happy, I told him DON’T BE THE DOSSER SITING ON THE STREET CONER WITH A CAN OF BEER IN YOUR HEAD, .BE THE ONE DRIVING PASS IN A NICE CAR THAT YOU WORKED HARD FOR, he as always remembered me saying that to him.
He got a job as soon as he left school and is doing well. SO IF HE CAN DO IT WITH EXAM RESULTS LIKE THAT, THAN YOU ALL CAN, GET OFF YOUR BACKSIDE AND DO SOMETHING WITH YOUR LIFES!

Concerned, Eltham says...
1:50pm Wed 16 Jan 08

What concerns me as a mother of an 11 year old boy is that to the young kids growing up they think this violence is clever. My son listens to the bad rap music which i hate as I think it is teaching them all the wrong things. The people young people look up to are people who are promoting violence. The people who are dying are called fallen soldiers as though they are some kind of hero. It's crazy and I wish I earned enough money to save and get out of this country so my son didn't have to be sucked into this craziness. If my son got involved with a gang and carried a knife around I would disown him simple as that,

mt, says...
1:52pm Wed 16 Jan 08

Erastus wrote:
Yes, I do come from BC times. Do you know what the BC stands for? BC = Before Crime. By the way, in future do you think you might remember that a sentence starts with a capital letter?
a sentence starts after someone has been found guilty....and you my "old" chum are guilty of being completely. Anal.

Erastus, The Sofa says...
1:54pm Wed 16 Jan 08

There you go forgetting that capital letter at the start of the sentence. Also, you should not have put a full-stop after 'completely'. It totally ruined the flow of your comments.

Better luck next time.

mt, says...
1:55pm Wed 16 Jan 08

A MUM wrote:
What aloud of crap! You say He was a nice boy, your all trying to came across like your nice boys (bullsh*t) in the video one of you say…your son comes home about half 12 yeah with a black eye yeah, what was he doing out that late, why did you let him out that late, WELL let me tell you, my sons is 18, he went to the fun fair in damson park with he’s girlfriend of 2 years, he got jumped by about 12 mugs for no reason at all, that was around 8 o’clock in the evening, did he ask for that? NO he didn’t, was in in a gang? NO he wasn’t, then we had a van load of mugs looking for him, they was driving pass my house, the oldest one in the back of the van was 28 years old ha ha ha BIG MEN! I think NOT. My son should be able to go where he likes and at what time he likes and be safe. Then he got robed of he’s phone by 8 black mugs, he was out walking our dog, they followed him into a shop and tried to beat him over the head with glass jars they picked up from the counter in the shop, did he ask for that too? NO HE NEVER! My son left school last year, in he’s exams he’s got Es & Fs but I told him it don’t matter you tried your best, and as long as my son gives me he’s best im happy, I told him DON’T BE THE DOSSER SITING ON THE STREET CONER WITH A CAN OF BEER IN YOUR HEAD, .BE THE ONE DRIVING PASS IN A NICE CAR THAT YOU WORKED HARD FOR, he as always remembered me saying that to him. He got a job as soon as he left school and is doing well. SO IF HE CAN DO IT WITH EXAM RESULTS LIKE THAT, THAN YOU ALL CAN, GET OFF YOUR BACKSIDE AND DO SOMETHING WITH YOUR LIFES!
thats what i'm trying to say, you can lead a better life. glad your boy has done well.

:-), London City says...
2:06pm Wed 16 Jan 08

A MUM wrote:
What aloud of crap! You say He was a nice boy, your all trying to came across like your nice boys (bullsh*t) in the video one of you say…your son comes home about half 12 yeah with a black eye yeah, what was he doing out that late, why did you let him out that late, WELL let me tell you, my sons is 18, he went to the fun fair in damson park with he’s girlfriend of 2 years, he got jumped by about 12 mugs for no reason at all, that was around 8 o’clock in the evening, did he ask for that? NO he didn’t, was in in a gang? NO he wasn’t, then we had a van load of mugs looking for him, they was driving pass my house, the oldest one in the back of the van was 28 years old ha ha ha BIG MEN! I think NOT. My son should be able to go where he likes and at what time he likes and be safe. Then he got robed of he’s phone by 8 black mugs, he was out walking our dog, they followed him into a shop and tried to beat him over the head with glass jars they picked up from the counter in the shop, did he ask for that too? NO HE NEVER! My son left school last year, in he’s exams he’s got Es & Fs but I told him it don’t matter you tried your best, and as long as my son gives me he’s best im happy, I told him DON’T BE THE DOSSER SITING ON THE STREET CONER WITH A CAN OF BEER IN YOUR HEAD, .BE THE ONE DRIVING PASS IN A NICE CAR THAT YOU WORKED HARD FOR, he as always remembered me saying that to him. He got a job as soon as he left school and is doing well. SO IF HE CAN DO IT WITH EXAM RESULTS LIKE THAT, THAN YOU ALL CAN, GET OFF YOUR BACKSIDE AND DO SOMETHING WITH YOUR LIFES!
Well said, I left school back in the 90's with E's and F's and I now have a well paid job working in the city. I have never been out of work, and I have earned what I have. Oh and I am from Thamesmead, so there is hope if given the right push by our parents and friends

Erastus, The Hall says...
2:11pm Wed 16 Jan 08

jp, would you mind concentrating your comments on the article and not on my goodself?

Incidentally, your grammar is almost as bad as your spelling. I suppose you are one of those people who think that grammar is married to granpa.

Erastus, The Library says...
2:27pm Wed 16 Jan 08

No response from our hoodied friends yet, I see.

Oh, I forgot - they are all studying hard at school to become missionaries.

Silly me.

teacher, orpington says...
2:37pm Wed 16 Jan 08

Erastus wrote:
jp, would you mind concentrating your comments on the article and not on my goodself? Incidentally, your grammar is almost as bad as your spelling. I suppose you are one of those people who think that grammar is married to granpa.
thought you had to start a sentence with a capital, you are a fool old boy

anon, anon says...
2:45pm Wed 16 Jan 08

I think some of the comments to this article have lost sight of the fact gangs exist and people are getting hurt and threatened. Good spelling and gramatically correct paragraphs are neither here nor there.
If you have a valid comment to make, do so, otherwise vent your annoyance at other's mistakes elsewhere and let the genuinely concerned express their views of this gang here.

AP, London says...
3:19pm Wed 16 Jan 08

LIES LIES LIES- Explain why they beat up my mate for leaving the pub and FIGHTTTTTTEEEEERRRRR was one of them!

Suz, Erith says...
3:27pm Wed 16 Jan 08

Go on you tube, search for fighterr. There are lots of videos and he isn't as innocent as these boys are making out. My opinion hasn't changed, no one deserves to be murdered, but he was involved in a gang, where i'm sure they have badly hurt maybe even killed themselves. HYPOCRITES

Dont Worry, Bromley says...
3:41pm Wed 16 Jan 08

Your all aduts and you sitting here arguing with each other over about what century you come from, its pathetic. Im 16 years old, you dont underrstand what its like at all you think 'oh no they have a choice' no they really dont, these are all nice boys. fair enough yes they fight but are you reallly telling me that when you was 16/17 you wasnt having fights? and yes they hang around on streets, but where else is there for them to go? There is nothing for us to do, we are not trying to be intimidating we just want to be around with our friends.
R.A is actually worst than I.V.S will ever be, R.A are just a bunch of losers who are white, act black but hate black people and attack them ..now thats just pathetic.
These boys have done this to try and show there side of the story and your still going on like a bunch of ediots. Your all going on like we live in some perfect land. Nothing is going to change this.

Jane, Orpington says...
3:50pm Wed 16 Jan 08

Erastus - I look on News Shopper a few times a week to see what is going on in my local area. Whenever i go to the comments part of the news articles there you are. What makes you such an upstanding member of the community as it would seem all you do is sit at home and post argumentative, sarcastic comments almost everyday on almost every article. I think out of everyone on here you are the one always going off the issue and picking on people for their grammar and/or spelling mistakes. Who cares if they can spell or not. Some upstanding citizens are dyslexic!! Maybe your the one who needs to get a life!!!

........, Downham says...
3:56pm Wed 16 Jan 08

Dont Worry wrote:
Your all aduts and you sitting here arguing with each other over about what century you come from, its pathetic. Im 16 years old, you dont underrstand what its like at all you think 'oh no they have a choice' no they really dont, these are all nice boys. fair enough yes they fight but are you reallly telling me that when you was 16/17 you wasnt having fights? and yes they hang around on streets, but where else is there for them to go? There is nothing for us to do, we are not trying to be intimidating we just want to be around with our friends. R.A is actually worst than I.V.S will ever be, R.A are just a bunch of losers who are white, act black but hate black people and attack them ..now thats just pathetic. These boys have done this to try and show there side of the story and your still going on like a bunch of ediots. Your all going on like we live in some perfect land. Nothing is going to change this.
You claim that you don't have a choice of course you do everybody has a choice on how to live their lives. Gangs or groups of boys hanging around the streets is intimidating to younger kids, old people and women why should people have to look over their shoulder all the time to hope that some thug is not going to walk up behind them and start.

I think these boys have done this to get more exposure for IVS if they had changed that much Fighterrr would still be alive today. Nobody is saying this world is perfect but it won't get any better only worse with people like this on our streets.

Jane, Orpington says...
4:00pm Wed 16 Jan 08

Oh and just so im not going off the issue, I understand that there really isnt much for youngsters to do without having money in thier pocket, but dont feel that is a good enough excuse for them to carry on the way they do. The youtube clips dont really help their argument!

me here, bexley says...
4:03pm Wed 16 Jan 08

I cant believe the newsshopper has give these thugs the coverage they wanted,its only to big them selfs up.They are a waste of time and space. Before long we will probably be reading about another one of these yobs either they have had their life taken or taken someone elses.They are nothing but scum the lot of them.

:-), London city says...
4:07pm Wed 16 Jan 08

Dont Worry wrote:
Your all aduts and you sitting here arguing with each other over about what century you come from, its pathetic. Im 16 years old, you dont underrstand what its like at all you think 'oh no they have a choice' no they really dont, these are all nice boys. fair enough yes they fight but are you reallly telling me that when you was 16/17 you wasnt having fights? and yes they hang around on streets, but where else is there for them to go? There is nothing for us to do, we are not trying to be intimidating we just want to be around with our friends. R.A is actually worst than I.V.S will ever be, R.A are just a bunch of losers who are white, act black but hate black people and attack them ..now thats just pathetic. These boys have done this to try and show there side of the story and your still going on like a bunch of ediots. Your all going on like we live in some perfect land. Nothing is going to change this.
I can say that at 16-17 I wasn't looking for a fight, I was too busy doing a YTS at a rather well know central bank. So what you say is not true, there is opportunities for you all out there you just need to stand up and look for something and not expect it handed to you on a silver platter. Also don't come saying 'you don't know what its like’ well I do. I lived in Thamesmead, poor GCSE grades, hung about with the wrong people when I was 12-15, but once I left school I got a life and left my childhood behind me. “When I was a child, I spake as a child, I understood as a child, I thought as a child: but when I became a man, I put away childish things.”

For once in my life I was treated with respect and treated like an adult, same can not be said for these guy's as they are still in a gang

Erastus, The Classroom says...
4:11pm Wed 16 Jan 08

I will refrain from giving you all lessons in grammar, punctuation and spelling as it is quite obvious that all my previous instruction has been in vain.

JP - I addressed you as jp because that is how you sign yourself.

Jane - if you can't stand the heat, get out of the kitchen, love.

me here, bexley says...
4:15pm Wed 16 Jan 08

Well said London city.I also grew up in Thamesmead and hung around with some wrong people but i didnt do anything i didnt want to do.Its all about choices. But like you say i grew up and life couldnt be better.

Me, At home says...
4:15pm Wed 16 Jan 08

:-) wrote:
Dont Worry wrote: Your all aduts and you sitting here arguing with each other over about what century you come from, its pathetic. Im 16 years old, you dont underrstand what its like at all you think \'oh no they have a choice\' no they really dont, these are all nice boys. fair enough yes they fight but are you reallly telling me that when you was 16/17 you wasnt having fights? and yes they hang around on streets, but where else is there for them to go? There is nothing for us to do, we are not trying to be intimidating we just want to be around with our friends. R.A is actually worst than I.V.S will ever be, R.A are just a bunch of losers who are white, act black but hate black people and attack them ..now thats just pathetic. These boys have done this to try and show there side of the story and your still going on like a bunch of ediots. Your all going on like we live in some perfect land. Nothing is going to change this.
I can say that at 16-17 I wasn\'t looking for a fight, I was too busy doing a YTS at a rather well know central bank. So what you say is not true, there is opportunities for you all out there you just need to stand up and look for something and not expect it handed to you on a silver platter. Also don\'t come saying \'you don\'t know what its like’ well I do. I lived in Thamesmead, poor GCSE grades, hung about with the wrong people when I was 12-15, but once I left school I got a life and left my childhood behind me. “When I was a child, I spake as a child, I understood as a child, I thought as a child: but when I became a man, I put away childish things.” For once in my life I was treated with respect and treated like an adult, same can not be said for these guy\'s as they are still in a gang
Well said cant agree with you more!

NOT TO KEEN ON ERASTUS, London says...
4:18pm Wed 16 Jan 08

Erastus wrote:
I will refrain from giving you all lessons in grammar, punctuation and spelling as it is quite obvious that all my previous instruction has been in vain. JP - I addressed you as jp because that is how you sign yourself. Jane - if you can't stand the heat, get out of the kitchen, love.
Stop bein a prat. you lead a sad and lonely life. Maye you should join these low lifes.

Erastus, The Conservatory says...
4:18pm Wed 16 Jan 08

It's good breeding that counts. After all, just take me as an example.

Jane, Orpington says...
4:35pm Wed 16 Jan 08

I think you will find your the one posting comments from all over your house not me. Where are you now in the lounge, kitchen or just up your own backside??? You have no right to come on here and technically bully people for posting heir comment grammatically correct or not!! You either have a massive chip on your shoulder about something to be such an arrogant tosser!!! Get over yourself. This isnt an english lesson for you to control. Oh and i ask again what makes you such an upstanding citizen??

Laura, Thamesmead says...
4:42pm Wed 16 Jan 08

I took the time to watch a few of these youtube videos, and although I don't like the thought of kids dying so young, I can't help thinking that this kid had it coming in one way or another, it was shameful to watch!! And NO ONE can convince me this lad and his gang had good intensions!

Dont Worry, Bromley - I never had anything to do as a teenager, and yeah we would get into a bit of trouble - but I can hand on my heart say that none of my friends carried knives/guns and I never had to attend any of their funerals.

Cant fool me IVS, says...
4:45pm Wed 16 Jan 08

Sorry do not believe a word of it.
Infact i know it is a pack of lies.
They WERE a gang and still ARE a gang.
They DO hurt innocent people.
They ARE nasty boys and ALWAYS will be.
The only piece of truth is that they DO attend a college, where funny enough they BEAT PEOPLE UP - FACT !!

LIES, Bexleyheath says...
4:49pm Wed 16 Jan 08

if you believe any of this rubbish then your stupid.
they were down bexleyheath the other day tryin to cause trouble. you wont find any other gang carryin knives like ivs. ivs arent bexleyheath either there dartford. this is all just some big publicity stunt so they get heard by all the other gangs out there getin a repuatation as the gang in the paper. they just made themselves look stupid though. all these boys are out to do is cause trouble. they put on their best english for that interview if you met them on roads you wouldt understand a word.

L, says...
4:51pm Wed 16 Jan 08

Dont Worry wrote:
Your all aduts and you sitting here arguing with each other over about what century you come from, its pathetic. Im 16 years old, you dont underrstand what its like at all you think 'oh no they have a choice' no they really dont, these are all nice boys. fair enough yes they fight but are you reallly telling me that when you was 16/17 you wasnt having fights? and yes they hang around on streets, but where else is there for them to go? There is nothing for us to do, we are not trying to be intimidating we just want to be around with our friends. R.A is actually worst than I.V.S will ever be, R.A are just a bunch of losers who are white, act black but hate black people and attack them ..now thats just pathetic. These boys have done this to try and show there side of the story and your still going on like a bunch of ediots. Your all going on like we live in some perfect land. Nothing is going to change this.
Sorry but you DO have a choice, lots of them. My 2 children were born and brought up in Thamesmead but the eldest (19) is now working hard at London Ambulance taking the 999 calls often from distressed people beaten up, shot, stabbed etc by these nasty gangs. He also gets abuse just for doing his job, why should he be threatened for asking the questions LAS need to know when sending an ambulance out to a case? He has been mugged locally too and he has NEVER been in trouble with the police. We do not have loads of money - I am a nurse and his Dad a records clerk. Why should other kids be any different?

Kel, Abbey Wood says...
4:57pm Wed 16 Jan 08

Bromley, all you teens have got things to do, free youth clubs are open everywhere, the gangs don't understand that you have to go inside tho, they stand outside all round the doorway intimidating those who want to get off the streets. If the gangs (who are old enough to work) got a job, they would have money to do things. You can't help people who don't want to be helped. When I was 15/16 I was a bit lairy but I wouldn't of dreamt of causing trouble for no reason or carrying a knife or a gun, there is no need for it at all

Erastus T. Piggott, The Lav says...
4:58pm Wed 16 Jan 08

Jane, Jane, Jane. What am I to do with you? Still, I like a feisty filly.

What makes me upstanding? Good breeding, lots of money, exquisite taste and I have never roamed the streets in gangs terrorising innocent people such as yourself.

I think you are probably a nice enough lassie, just a little misguided.

Tell me, if you look on this site to find out about what is going on in the area, fair enough. Nobody actually forces you to read the comments or for that matter, reply to them.

Am I right or am I right? I am of course, right.

Friedrich Nietzsche, says...
4:59pm Wed 16 Jan 08

Please refrain from condemning Erastus.

Can you not understand that he/she is capable of breaking the space/time continuum?
He/she is in all places at all times.

Therefore, I can only conclude that he/she is a higher being.

And the grammar is piffle.

Wendy, Welling says...
4:59pm Wed 16 Jan 08

Watched the video - - I have respect for them to come out and say what THEY think. But as a mum of a boy who has never been in a gang, but who was chased because IVS THOUGHT he was in a gang, they hit his friend with a knuckle duster all at 7pm in Sidcup - to you I say you seem to be wearing rose tinted glasses and have forgotten what you did as a group.
Lets hope that this now ends, that you get a job or a education, pull your trousers up, no more busting low it looks silly. and turn your life around. Shame it took the death of your friend to do it
Finally yes you all are someones son, maybe its time that the parents of these boys gave them some advice on how to succeed

Erastus T. Piggott, The Tardis says...
5:02pm Wed 16 Jan 08

Thank you, Friedrich. Sense prevails at last.

Jane, Orpington says...
5:12pm Wed 16 Jan 08

Yes you are right no-one forces me to read or reply to these comments. I dont understand how you conclude that i am misguided though. I also dont understand how money has anything to do with with being an upstanding citizen. There are many criminals out there with lots of money who may also have exquisite taste for all we know. Personally I dont think your of a good breed probably just a mongruel pretending to be a pedigree!!! Oh and yes i am a nice lassie or I wouldnt be sticking up for these people by condemning you for being arrogant towards them. Am I right or am I right. I think you'll find i'm right!

Jane, Orpington says...
5:14pm Wed 16 Jan 08

Oh and has Friedrich just crawled out your backside or is it you pretending like with your breeding?? Hmmmmmmm very suspicous!!!!

Erastus T. Piggott, The Armchair says...
5:14pm Wed 16 Jan 08

After watching the delightful video, I can only assume that the young gentlemen must attend the Sylvester Stallone School of Elocution.

Erastus T. Piggott, The Sauna says...
5:17pm Wed 16 Jan 08

Dear Lady Jane. I can assure you that Friedrich and I have never been aquainted, though it is much to my regret.

Donna, New Eltham says...
5:35pm Wed 16 Jan 08

i lke Eratus. He makes me larf. He just likes winding you lot up. He speaks a lot of sence too this site was boring befor he starting saying things

Erastus T. Piggott, The Steam Room says...
5:42pm Wed 16 Jan 08

Why, thank you Donna for those kind words of encouragement. It seems I am building quite a fan-base.

Just let me know when you would like to book-in for some English lessons.

Massive, erith says...
5:49pm Wed 16 Jan 08

Love the fat white boy trying to be a 'dude'.

Hey chubby - If you want to look 'bad':

1. Less doughnuts!
2. More press ups!
3. Work in that haircut!

Donna, New Eltham says...
5:49pm Wed 16 Jan 08

nah fanx Eratus i ad enough of them at scool lol

Erastus T. Piggott, The Potato Couch says...
5:51pm Wed 16 Jan 08

I wholeheartedly agree, Massive. Perhaps his nickname should be 'Da Chubster'?

Erastus T. Piggott, The Kitchen says...
5:52pm Wed 16 Jan 08

On second thoughts, 'Da Chubsterrr' would be more appropriate?

lou, says...
5:54pm Wed 16 Jan 08

Erastus T. Piggott wrote:
Why, thank you Donna for those kind words of encouragement. It seems I am building quite a fan-base. Just let me know when you would like to book-in for some English lessons.
That would be fine if your English was up to scratch. Sadly as it is not.......
In any case - I think you have completely lost the point of this, it is COMMENTS section not for comments about each other but about the story! These boys need to really take stock of their lives as in a few years they will trying to earn a living and failing miserably by the look of it. In fact looking at their ages again I think some of them already are.

a mum, abbey wood says...
5:55pm Wed 16 Jan 08

Ive just sat and read this page, Im also someone that has hanged around the streets in the 80's, and yes there were a group of us blacks and whites we didnt get into the trouble these kids 2day get into.We said at the time we had nowhere to go but there where clubs and that it is a choice!!
These boys in interview yes i can understand they have lost this boy and are hurting, it has shocked them, but did it have to come to this!!! Or why!!
They r the first ones to talk on how bad ra are, but like others say its not just ra, t-block, abbey wood boys, lewisham, penge the list could go on, they are all the same!!
And why in the video only one of the ivs boys shows there faces, the other dont show the faces why that then, they dont want their parents to see wot they are really like.
Nearly 2years ago, we lost someone that was stabbed to death and some of us that are parents are really trying to help stop crimes like this happening again.

Erastus T. Piggott, The Library says...
5:56pm Wed 16 Jan 08

Lou, 'People in glasshouses ...'

I hope you know the rest.

Erastus, The Hammock says...
5:57pm Wed 16 Jan 08

Well said, a mum!

Erastus, My Club says...
6:04pm Wed 16 Jan 08

Perhaps this rabble would benefit from a couple of years' National Service?

That way they could go abroad and do some real fighting against real soldiers.

It never did me any harm.

Me, Here says...
6:08pm Wed 16 Jan 08

"We like going to the cinema" he he he...must be easier to mug people there. Bunch of wallys, i wish the NewsShopper wouldnt insult us by given these wallys a platform in which to talk their nonsense. im genuinly sick of tired of them. i hope they all get stabbed!

Erastus T. Piggott, The Carrot Couch says...
6:13pm Wed 16 Jan 08

I know what you mean, Me, but I am glad the News Shopper has posted this video. I think the team have done an excellent job exposing these characters in an extremely subtle way.

Jon Cheetham should be given an award (or at least promotion) and so should the editor for giving the go-ahead on this controversial news story.

It is not often these days that the media acts in such a courageous manner.

Well done, team!

Erastus, Cloud 9 says...
6:25pm Wed 16 Jan 08

It seems I have had the last word. That's the way it should be.

Erastus T. Piggott, The Pink Lounge says...
6:33pm Wed 16 Jan 08

I always know when I have won an argument when people start to impersonate me.

Still, better luck next time.

Lew, orpington says...
6:36pm Wed 16 Jan 08

AP wrote:
LIES LIES LIES- Explain why they beat up my mate for leaving the pub and FIGHTTTTTTEEEEERRRRR was one of them!
il explain i was there. ure mates i belive there was 2 of them? this was done fanny on the hill in welling and these two blokes who are about 18-22 walked past us and started staring at us. So weve asked them who r they? they replied no1 but my brothers RA init. And at the time RA where in the park looking for us so then one of them starts getting a bit lairy so he got banged for saying hes basically RA and if it was the other way around he'd join in if he was with loads of guys and one of there enemies was there.

temple hill boy, n/a says...
6:38pm Wed 16 Jan 08

this lot chases me and my mates for no reaosn all the time just because temple hill has a name for itself

Lew, says...
6:42pm Wed 16 Jan 08

temple hill get chased because magil and malloy sliced vesk and have been racist to him and i dont remember any temple hill tryna sort it out just egging it on so ure just as bad ure influencing it so if u get chased a couple of times that shouldnt surprise u

Made me laugh, London says...
6:56pm Wed 16 Jan 08

Massive wrote:
Love the fat white boy trying to be a 'dude'.

Hey chubby - If you want to look 'bad':

1. Less doughnuts!
2. More press ups!
3. Work in that haircut!
Yeah - he looks like Cartman from Southpark!


hypacrites, says...
7:02pm Wed 16 Jan 08

your all hypacrites thats all i need to say

ohrfb, l;kfsdh says...
7:06pm Wed 16 Jan 08

Erastus wrote:
There you go forgetting that capital letter at the start of the sentence. Also, you should not have put a full-stop after 'completely'. It totally ruined the flow of your comments. Better luck next time.
you are just a load of boreing old farts that think your special because of some spelling how doll,.; /'[ ;..;)-(

kgh, here says...
7:09pm Wed 16 Jan 08

Erastus wrote:
I will refrain from giving you all lessons in grammar, punctuation and spelling as it is quite obvious that all my previous instruction has been in vain. JP - I addressed you as jp because that is how you sign yourself. Jane - if you can't stand the heat, get out of the kitchen, love.
grammer punctuation who care you boring person fullstop

Sarah, Erith says...
7:16pm Wed 16 Jan 08

Watching this video, you can just tell by the attitide of these boys and the way the act that they are not as innocent as they make out!
As a 16 year old girl, it is hard to come across people who are not in a gang but for IVS to say that they do not have fights is just beyond me! Plenty of times, they have turned up at Erith School looking for RA! On the video they are saying about their appreciation for the tributes to Faridon but when i was going past today there was two bunches of flowers! Alot of stories have been told about Faridon and he does not seem innocent especially if you look at the videos of him on youtube! Today in a classroom a boy told me a story about Faridon holding a knife up to him a few months ago, so tell me how is that an innocent lad? They all look so pathetic! I think all these people need to grow up, In July 2006, somebody I did not know well but lived near me was stabbed to death- Julian 'Buster' Knight, his death never got half the publicity that Faridon's has! I mean what was he doing in the local crack den at 3 in the morn? This borough is in a terrible state and it needs to be sorted out, but it can't be when you have yobs like IVS!
By the way Erastus, love your comments!

Friedrich Nietzsche, says...
8:26pm Wed 16 Jan 08

Erastus....
Tut, Tut, Tut.....
I pop back to look at all the comments & you are causing a little bit of a kerfuffle over here!

Quite a reputation, you're gaining!

Give them an Oscar !, says...
8:29pm Wed 16 Jan 08

The reason IVS have gone to the Newshopper is to try and convince their families that they are not members of this nasty gang.
None of their parents would have had a clue that their "little darlings" were infact evil young men !

Erastus T. Piggott, On Mrs Piggott's Lap says...
8:38pm Wed 16 Jan 08

Dear Friedrich. Please let me assure you that I have not been making the slightest bit of trouble but am sad to say that an imposter is trying to make my life 'uncomfortable'.

I do so hope the imposter is not you, dear boy.

mark, deptford says...
8:41pm Wed 16 Jan 08

Shut up u little kids talking about he was a nice guy his nick name was fighter 4 starts take it he likes a fight to he was in a drug dan and you say he was not in to drugs trick me and you lot r going on like your bad in the video you should go down to new cross or peckham that would make you **** yourself make you look at life in a diffrent way of life

British bulldog NZS, says...
8:46pm Wed 16 Jan 08

Hell Ive been missing out on all this, anyone miss me, may as well start off as we mean to go on, LYNCH the lot of 'em haha BB (p.s. Harvey you still around??)

Friedrich Nietzsche, says...
8:48pm Wed 16 Jan 08

Erastus T. Piggott wrote:
Dear Friedrich. Please let me assure you that I have not been making the slightest bit of trouble but am sad to say that an imposter is trying to make my life 'uncomfortable'. I do so hope the imposter is not you, dear boy.
How very dare you!

'Dear Boy'?

Maybe I should have signed as Friederica, but I'm female sweetheart.

Anyway, my reference to the kerfuffle you're causing is your growing band of fans.

As for the imposter, in the words of shaggy...it wasn't me!

mum kent, says...
8:48pm Wed 16 Jan 08

Erastus T. Piggott wrote:
Dear Friedrich. Please let me assure you that I have not been making the slightest bit of trouble but am sad to say that an imposter is trying to make my life \'uncomfortable\'. I do so hope the imposter is not you, dear boy.
Loving the comments Erastus,keep them coming its the highlight of my day.Anyone that has a problem with them dont read or reply to them...............

TINY RASKAL!! Y.G.B, new cross says...
8:49pm Wed 16 Jan 08

fighter tryed to stab me a few weeks ago just gose to show what gos around comes back roundand he was a drug dealer try make out he was a good boy get out of here you fools

SLUER IVS AND??, DEPTFORD PLUMSTEAD says...
9:29pm Wed 16 Jan 08

TINY RASKAL!! Y.G.B wrote:
fighter tryed to stab me a few weeks ago just gose to show what gos around comes back roundand he was a drug dealer try make out he was a good boy get out of here you fools
AHAHAHAH **** THE FAKES.

DAT AINT TINY RASCCCCCCC

Jenniefar, Orpington says...
9:38pm Wed 16 Jan 08

Its funny how IVS are being bad mouth, and i peraonaly think it is because of the race of people in it. Have you spoke about RA? (Rasist attackers) The boys that go around bexleyheath beating up people that are of a different race to them. Its obvious to many of us that IVS want to grow out of this 'gang' but they cant. Once you get a reputation it is hard to get rid of. I Have been there and done that. Although i am still only wrong i have reasied wha is right and wrong, and hae been through my street ratting days and got off the streets. But for these boys it is hard because they do try and move on in life, but they cant because of the gangs that hate them. Its mainly adults who are signing this, but you dont know what it is like to be a teenager these days. You think we all go round beating eachother up and fighting, we don't. We fight to protect areselfs. If someone hit you, you wouldn't just stand there and do nothing, weather your a teen or not. I think that alot of you adults are rasist yourselfs, you say that Fighterrr was bad and its good to see him gone. If this happened to a English boy you would be feeling sorry for them, but because he is a different race to us you think you can bad mouth him. Yes Fighterrr wasa friend of mine, and he will be missed ALOT. Im not just sticking up for him, but its what i belive in. You adults need to open your eyes and you will realise that your children are probably in a gang as well. But it would be apreciated if you could stop bad mouthing someone you didnt even no. Your all giving him this reputation, your making him sound worse than he was. Fighter was a lovley caring boy, and he looked out for us. Most of you that sign this obviously dont realise what it is like to loose a friend/family member. Fighterrr did mean alot to me and he alwayz will. Rest In Peaceee Babyeee.

local, erith says...
10:10pm Wed 16 Jan 08

what is the newspaper comin to , giving a voice to this scum that roam our streets , the only place for this crap is down the sewer where they belong
lock them up for life
newshopper you should be descusted with yourselfs ..anything for a story eh ?

LEwiss IVS, says...
10:20pm Wed 16 Jan 08

A MUM wrote:
What aloud of crap! You say He was a nice boy, your all trying to came across like your nice boys (bullsh*t) in the video one of you say…your son comes home about half 12 yeah with a black eye yeah, what was he doing out that late, why did you let him out that late, WELL let me tell you, my sons is 18, he went to the fun fair in damson park with he’s girlfriend of 2 years, he got jumped by about 12 mugs for no reason at all, that was around 8 o’clock in the evening, did he ask for that? NO he didn’t, was in in a gang? NO he wasn’t, then we had a van load of mugs looking for him, they was driving pass my house, the oldest one in the back of the van was 28 years old ha ha ha BIG MEN! I think NOT. My son should be able to go where he likes and at what time he likes and be safe. Then he got robed of he’s phone by 8 black mugs, he was out walking our dog, they followed him into a shop and tried to beat him over the head with glass jars they picked up from the counter in the shop, did he ask for that too? NO HE NEVER! My son left school last year, in he’s exams he’s got Es & Fs but I told him it don’t matter you tried your best, and as long as my son gives me he’s best im happy, I told him DON’T BE THE DOSSER SITING ON THE STREET CONER WITH A CAN OF BEER IN YOUR HEAD, .BE THE ONE DRIVING PASS IN A NICE CAR THAT YOU WORKED HARD FOR, he as always remembered me saying that to him. He got a job as soon as he left school and is doing well. SO IF HE CAN DO IT WITH EXAM RESULTS LIKE THAT, THAN YOU ALL CAN, GET OFF YOUR BACKSIDE AND DO SOMETHING WITH YOUR LIFES!
ure an idiot if ure son got beat up in danson das in bexleyheath and ivs dont go bexleyheath danson is full of ra i was there at that festival so really ure slagging off the people that use 2 fight the bullies that beat ure son. there the equivelant 2 ure son gathering a few blokes 2 sort out the people who jumped him. except we aint blokes where the same age if not younger den them and i honestly doubt he got jumped and chased in a van for no reason he must have done something.

local, erith says...
10:29pm Wed 16 Jan 08

thick as **** , this ivs **** needs to go back to school and learn to write you twats need to do national service that will show just how tough your not

anon, says...
10:39pm Wed 16 Jan 08

LEwiss IVS wrote:
A MUM wrote: What aloud of crap! You say He was a nice boy, your all trying to came across like your nice boys (bullsh*t) in the video one of you say…your son comes home about half 12 yeah with a black eye yeah, what was he doing out that late, why did you let him out that late, WELL let me tell you, my sons is 18, he went to the fun fair in damson park with he’s girlfriend of 2 years, he got jumped by about 12 mugs for no reason at all, that was around 8 o’clock in the evening, did he ask for that? NO he didn’t, was in in a gang? NO he wasn’t, then we had a van load of mugs looking for him, they was driving pass my house, the oldest one in the back of the van was 28 years old ha ha ha BIG MEN! I think NOT. My son should be able to go where he likes and at what time he likes and be safe. Then he got robed of he’s phone by 8 black mugs, he was out walking our dog, they followed him into a shop and tried to beat him over the head with glass jars they picked up from the counter in the shop, did he ask for that too? NO HE NEVER! My son left school last year, in he’s exams he’s got Es & Fs but I told him it don’t matter you tried your best, and as long as my son gives me he’s best im happy, I told him DON’T BE THE DOSSER SITING ON THE STREET CONER WITH A CAN OF BEER IN YOUR HEAD, .BE THE ONE DRIVING PASS IN A NICE CAR THAT YOU WORKED HARD FOR, he as always remembered me saying that to him. He got a job as soon as he left school and is doing well. SO IF HE CAN DO IT WITH EXAM RESULTS LIKE THAT, THAN YOU ALL CAN, GET OFF YOUR BACKSIDE AND DO SOMETHING WITH YOUR LIFES!
ure an idiot if ure son got beat up in danson das in bexleyheath and ivs dont go bexleyheath danson is full of ra i was there at that festival so really ure slagging off the people that use 2 fight the bullies that beat ure son. there the equivelant 2 ure son gathering a few blokes 2 sort out the people who jumped him. except we aint blokes where the same age if not younger den them and i honestly doubt he got jumped and chased in a van for no reason he must have done something.
How would you know? At the end of the day no excuse for attacking anyone, if he did or said something why can't people be grown up and ignore them? Sticks and stones....... Oh and if "IVS" do not go to Danson, how come yoy were there

lou, says...
10:40pm Wed 16 Jan 08

Erastus T. Piggott wrote:
Lou, 'People in glasshouses ...' I hope you know the rest.
Your point is?

Adrian wishing people would just GROW UP, Welling says...
10:42pm Wed 16 Jan 08

Jenniefar wrote:
Its funny how IVS are being bad mouth, and i peraonaly think it is because of the race of people in it. Have you spoke about RA? (Rasist attackers) The boys that go around bexleyheath beating up people that are of a different race to them. Its obvious to many of us that IVS want to grow out of this 'gang' but they cant. Once you get a reputation it is hard to get rid of. I Have been there and done that. Although i am still only wrong i have reasied wha is right and wrong, and hae been through my street ratting days and got off the streets. But for these boys it is hard because they do try and move on in life, but they cant because of the gangs that hate them. Its mainly adults who are signing this, but you dont know what it is like to be a teenager these days. You think we all go round beating eachother up and fighting, we don't. We fight to protect areselfs. If someone hit you, you wouldn't just stand there and do nothing, weather your a teen or not. I think that alot of you adults are rasist yourselfs, you say that Fighterrr was bad and its good to see him gone. If this happened to a English boy you would be feeling sorry for them, but because he is a different race to us you think you can bad mouth him. Yes Fighterrr wasa friend of mine, and he will be missed ALOT. Im not just sticking up for him, but its what i belive in. You adults need to open your eyes and you will realise that your children are probably in a gang as well. But it would be apreciated if you could stop bad mouthing someone you didnt even no. Your all giving him this reputation, your making him sound worse than he was. Fighter was a lovley caring boy, and he looked out for us. Most of you that sign this obviously dont realise what it is like to loose a friend/family member. Fighterrr did mean alot to me and he alwayz will. Rest In Peaceee Babyeee.
So you can justify IVS beating up innocent people coming out of the pub like my friend?! He wasn't racist in fact he was a black guy minding his own business having a laugh with his mates. Some people are very quick to call the race card. Hey yes there is a gang called RA. But that don't mean all on this page are the same. How come all my mates have never come across RA? I have black, aisan, chinese and white mates that go to Woolwich, Thamesmead, Bexleyheath, Welling, Lewisham, Dartford and more. GROW UP BEFORE YOU CALL THE RACE CARD!! It may have started with Race but hasen't continued with it. They have brought all this on themselves!

FLOW, Right Now Gravesend says...
10:59pm Wed 16 Jan 08

I'm ex i.v.s, dont run with gangs no more. Never the less wat makes all you people think your in any place to judge the youth of today, how bout we give you all a hoddie and some tracksuit bottems and see how long you last on the roads these days. Clothes dont make the person, yes when a group of youth come roaming towards you the first thing majority of you will do is grab hold of your phone. But why isit that if we are complient with watever bullshit your telling us were just teenagers, the second we show defience were yobs. Media blaming the problem of this **** up country on teenagers isnt right. Why dont you start blamling mayors and councill man, the people that can make a diffrence, rather then a bunch of teenagers just looking to defend them selfs. Being of ex i.v.s i can tell you for nothing we dont mug/rape and watever else that person said, people brought the fight to us, we never went looking. I dont run with i.v.s anymore, i can hold a decent convosation with any member of the public and i know when to be flow and when to be jae (jae being my real name), speaking in proper english and writing in proper english doesnt mean anything, because i still talk mojority of the time in slang. People leve us alone, you wannah blame someone, blame yourselfs, we didnt creat the world we live in, you were here first, you set the standard, you set the tone, we just follow it. Just pay your respect to Fighterrr (r.i.p family) and leve i.v.s alone!

FLOW, Right Now Gravesend says...
11:08pm Wed 16 Jan 08

and how would you even know if it was i.v.s that did watever to your mate outside the pub or that night you got a little to drunk. Your telling me they left names and numbers for defo yeah. bullshit, you adult are useless that the problem, all scared of taking any actuion but when one does they other must do, Its pathetic, like i said, you were here first, you set the tone we just follow it.

MUM, Kent says...
1:50am Thu 17 Jan 08

LEwiss IVS wrote:
A MUM wrote: What aloud of crap! You say He was a nice boy, your all trying to came across like your nice boys (bullsh*t) in the video one of you say…your son comes home about half 12 yeah with a black eye yeah, what was he doing out that late, why did you let him out that late, WELL let me tell you, my sons is 18, he went to the fun fair in damson park with he’s girlfriend of 2 years, he got jumped by about 12 mugs for no reason at all, that was around 8 o’clock in the evening, did he ask for that? NO he didn’t, was in in a gang? NO he wasn’t, then we had a van load of mugs looking for him, they was driving pass my house, the oldest one in the back of the van was 28 years old ha ha ha BIG MEN! I think NOT. My son should be able to go where he likes and at what time he likes and be safe. Then he got robed of he’s phone by 8 black mugs, he was out walking our dog, they followed him into a shop and tried to beat him over the head with glass jars they picked up from the counter in the shop, did he ask for that too? NO HE NEVER! My son left school last year, in he’s exams he’s got Es & Fs but I told him it don’t matter you tried your best, and as long as my son gives me he’s best im happy, I told him DON’T BE THE DOSSER SITING ON THE STREET CONER WITH A CAN OF BEER IN YOUR HEAD, .BE THE ONE DRIVING PASS IN A NICE CAR THAT YOU WORKED HARD FOR, he as always remembered me saying that to him. He got a job as soon as he left school and is doing well. SO IF HE CAN DO IT WITH EXAM RESULTS LIKE THAT, THAN YOU ALL CAN, GET OFF YOUR BACKSIDE AND DO SOMETHING WITH YOUR LIFES!
ure an idiot if ure son got beat up in danson das in bexleyheath and ivs dont go bexleyheath danson is full of ra i was there at that festival so really ure slagging off the people that use 2 fight the bullies that beat ure son. there the equivelant 2 ure son gathering a few blokes 2 sort out the people who jumped him. except we aint blokes where the same age if not younger den them and i honestly doubt he got jumped and chased in a van for no reason he must have done something.
oh little gobby boy we knew who it was cos when they come round in their van, they soon went running with their tail between their legs, it will take a lot more than a few little plastic gangsters to get us shacking in our shoes, ive never been intimidated in my life and i aint going to start now.
all you boys go on about is if a gang want to start on us, then we are going to retaliate, all i was trying to point out is my son wasn't in a gang, he was with his girlfriend at a fun fair, and i don't care where that was he should be able to do that without being jumped. his far from stupid, he is nearly 6ft and done boxing all his life and he give as good as he got, thank god. he can hold his own but he don't go round bulling, and intimidating people. his at work earning a nice few quid, what you doing bully boy? pushing drugs?
who's the idiot?, yea maybe my son is, going to work to keep your lazy druggy bully arse.

demi, at home says...
2:16am Thu 17 Jan 08

anon wrote:
LEwiss IVS wrote:
A MUM wrote: What aloud of crap! You say He was a nice boy, your all trying to came across like your nice boys (bullsh*t) in the video one of you say…your son comes home about half 12 yeah with a black eye yeah, what was he doing out that late, why did you let him out that late, WELL let me tell you, my sons is 18, he went to the fun fair in damson park with he’s girlfriend of 2 years, he got jumped by about 12 mugs for no reason at all, that was around 8 o’clock in the evening, did he ask for that? NO he didn’t, was in in a gang? NO he wasn’t, then we had a van load of mugs looking for him, they was driving pass my house, the oldest one in the back of the van was 28 years old ha ha ha BIG MEN! I think NOT. My son should be able to go where he likes and at what time he likes and be safe. Then he got robed of he’s phone by 8 black mugs, he was out walking our dog, they followed him into a shop and tried to beat him over the head with glass jars they picked up from the counter in the shop, did he ask for that too? NO HE NEVER! My son left school last year, in he’s exams he’s got Es & Fs but I told him it don’t matter you tried your best, and as long as my son gives me he’s best im happy, I told him DON’T BE THE DOSSER SITING ON THE STREET CONER WITH A CAN OF BEER IN YOUR HEAD, .BE THE ONE DRIVING PASS IN A NICE CAR THAT YOU WORKED HARD FOR, he as always remembered me saying that to him. He got a job as soon as he left school and is doing well. SO IF HE CAN DO IT WITH EXAM RESULTS LIKE THAT, THAN YOU ALL CAN, GET OFF YOUR BACKSIDE AND DO SOMETHING WITH YOUR LIFES!
ure an idiot if ure son got beat up in danson das in bexleyheath and ivs dont go bexleyheath danson is full of ra i was there at that festival so really ure slagging off the people that use 2 fight the bullies that beat ure son. there the equivelant 2 ure son gathering a few blokes 2 sort out the people who jumped him. except we aint blokes where the same age if not younger den them and i honestly doubt he got jumped and chased in a van for no reason he must have done something.
How would you know? At the end of the day no excuse for attacking anyone, if he did or said something why can't people be grown up and ignore them? Sticks and stones....... Oh and if "IVS" do not go to Danson, how come yoy were there
my thoughts exactly!!! so your telling us IVS dont go to Bexleheath so why was you there ? was you A UNDER COVER INVINCIBLE SOLDIER ?PMSL. GET A LIFE ...GET A JOB!!! PAY YA TAXES LIKE THE REST OF US (BUM)

Demi, S.E says...
3:19am Thu 17 Jan 08

CONFUSED??? RA are the gang that think they run and own..Bexleheath,
Crayford Dartford, Northumblandheath Belverdere, (another bunch of no hopers)BUT what im confused about is. why was this little boy (you lot call fighter)in Erith totaly out of his comfort zone and in the enemys area. confusing??? SO my next thought is he went there to rob someone and come unstuck. why else would you go and put yourself in a situation like that ! and i bet ur bottom dollar it was for drugs!!!

DEMI, Eltham says...
3:34am Thu 17 Jan 08

FLOW wrote:
I'm ex i.v.s, dont run with gangs no more. Never the less wat makes all you people think your in any place to judge the youth of today, how bout we give you all a hoddie and some tracksuit bottems and see how long you last on the roads these days. Clothes dont make the person, yes when a group of youth come roaming towards you the first thing majority of you will do is grab hold of your phone. But why isit that if we are complient with watever bullshit your telling us were just teenagers, the second we show defience were yobs. Media blaming the problem of this **** up country on teenagers isnt right. Why dont you start blamling mayors and councill man, the people that can make a diffrence, rather then a bunch of teenagers just looking to defend them selfs. Being of ex i.v.s i can tell you for nothing we dont mug/rape and watever else that person said, people brought the fight to us, we never went looking. I dont run with i.v.s anymore, i can hold a decent convosation with any member of the public and i know when to be flow and when to be jae (jae being my real name), speaking in proper english and writing in proper english doesnt mean anything, because i still talk mojority of the time in slang. People leve us alone, you wannah blame someone, blame yourselfs, we didnt creat the world we live in, you were here first, you set the standard, you set the tone, we just follow it. Just pay your respect to Fighterrr (r.i.p family) and leve i.v.s alone!
NO YOUR PARENTS SET YOUR STANARDS AND TONE. SO DONT BLAME OTHER PEOPLE ...YOUR PARENTS BOUGHT YOU UP NOT US!!!!

Bernard ex SAS, says...
3:54am Thu 17 Jan 08

To all you "street solja's" I served for my country for 9 years in the SAS, any of you punks want to put your "hoodies" on and meet up and I'll shove it down your throats 3 or 4 of you at a time though just to keep it fair, yellow bellied scum.

Erastus, Shower says...
7:46am Thu 17 Jan 08

Dear Friedrich. My apologies go out to you, my dear. Thank you for your support

Erastus, Garage says...
7:50am Thu 17 Jan 08

Dear Mum, Kent.

Thank you so mucy for your kind words, they are very much appreciated.

Erastus, The Drive says...
7:51am Thu 17 Jan 08

Dear Sarah.

I am glad you like my comments. Thank you x

Erastus, The Loft says...
8:29am Thu 17 Jan 08

Thank you News Shopper team for expelling the imposter.

Now, let the lesson begin:

Gang = Scum
Chubby, white hoody = Scum
Students of The Sylvester Stallone School of Elocution = Scum

The lesson endeth.

Amen

Erastus, The Roof says...
8:32am Thu 17 Jan 08

Dear Mum, Kent. Sorry, I meant to type 'much', not 'mucy'!

:-), London City says...
8:33am Thu 17 Jan 08

Good morning,
How about this, News Shopper follow IVS around for a week or so, and see what it's like out on the street, what they contend with, problems, peoples attitudes etc… and do a well thought out report by keeping a diary et al, and in the same vain, one of the IVS works at News Shopper for a week and does the same, interviews with people etc.. I think this could be an interesting piece and to see what preconceptions people have and after the trail period see if that attitude has changed at all. I for one would find this a fascinating read, and you never know, it may help get one of these kids out and off the streets, make them open their eyes to the real adult world and to find out what TRUE RESPECT is.

I am not condemning IVS or gangs, as believe it or not, there were gangs around in the early 90’s as well (goldfish anyone) and there were fights, but I never heard of a gang member being stabbed, and happy slapping wasn’t even a concept, mind you the ‘mobile’ phones of the day were the size of bricks. There are a number of people that have posted on here that have managed to escape this culture and I for one think this is a good thing, these people have more strength and guile in them, than the people on the streets OR those fortunate one’s born with a silver spoon, they have proven what you put into life, you get back ten fold. Every month when I take home my wage, I look at it and think I deserved that as I worked hard for it, it gives me a sense of achievement at my own accomplishments, and I then go and enjoy the fruits of my labours.

An earlier poster said that us adults paved the way for the culture of today, to this I say rethink your accusations, we do not put the drugs on the streets, we do not put the guns or knifes in there hands, and we are in no way responsible for their actions. Only a small minority of the adult population deal drugs or sell arms, and I believe anyone 16 or over are responsible for their own actions. Most of us adults are hard working, tax payers with the exception of 1 or 2 (but that’s a different story I think). In today’s society racism is to freely bounded about, we live in a multicultural society, and should respect everyone. The attack on Fighterr was not racist, it was drug related from what I have seen, and there are 1 or 2 posters on here that would appear to be racist and I say only appear as they have not come out and said it formally.

I do respect the IVS for attempting to get their point across, but unfortunately they in my opinion (and it is only my opinion) have failed, and have actually done the opposite from what they intended.

lol, bexleyheath says...
8:59am Thu 17 Jan 08

Goldfish omg that brings back some memories.lol

IVS BOOP BOOP, DARTFORD says...
9:31am Thu 17 Jan 08

RIP MATE NO ONE DESERVES TO DIE NO MATTER WAT THEY DO WOULD U FEEL THE SAME ABOUT YOUR SON IF HE DONE SOMETHING RONG? WOULD U WANT IM TO DIE .. NO WUN DESERVES WHAT HE GOT IF HE WAS THAT BAD HE WOULD BE IN PRISION.. ALL THE ADULTS UR SAD SITTING HERE GETIN INVOLVED BET YA UR KIDS ARE IN CREWS HU AINT THESE DAIS..

:-), london City says...
9:38am Thu 17 Jan 08

IVS BOOP BOOP wrote:
RIP MATE NO ONE DESERVES TO DIE NO MATTER WAT THEY DO WOULD U FEEL THE SAME ABOUT YOUR SON IF HE DONE SOMETHING RONG? WOULD U WANT IM TO DIE .. NO WUN DESERVES WHAT HE GOT IF HE WAS THAT BAD HE WOULD BE IN PRISION.. ALL THE ADULTS UR SAD SITTING HERE GETIN INVOLVED BET YA UR KIDS ARE IN CREWS HU AINT THESE DAIS..
I do not have kids, as I am trying to work hard to get the money together to give them a better start in life than I had, and if I did, I would install old fashioned virtues into them. Respect elders, honesty, friendship, learn to say no and not go back on it. I mean this is what my mum taught me, and now I am a respected member of my community, a valued staff member and most of all, I can listen without prejudice, just ask anyone who knows me.

And yes he should have been in detention, if he had, he would still be around and maybe able to change his life around, however he wasn’t and he isn’t.

P.S what is Boop boop? Please explain

..Ronni, Welling says...
9:40am Thu 17 Jan 08

WHYY ARE ADULTS SO CHILDISH ON HERE. GET A LIFE! SOMEONES DIED **** SAKE !

Erastus, The Bathroom says...
9:43am Thu 17 Jan 08

Or how about this?

Put them in the back of a van and give them the kicking of their lives.

Erastus, The Office says...
9:56am Thu 17 Jan 08

Ronni, go back to reading the problem page in More magazine.

Thanks

Laura, Thamesmead says...
10:01am Thu 17 Jan 08

:-), London City!! Goldfish!! ha ha!! I have been thinking about all of this and yes, it is true that there has always been gangs - but like I said earlier did you ever attend a friends funeral?

Friedrich Nietzsche, says...
10:22am Thu 17 Jan 08

Hey, I'm a 35 year old mother of four, it's very flattering to be called 'Childish'!!!

Brap brap boop boop, whatever that means.

:-), london City says...
10:22am Thu 17 Jan 08

Laura, Thamesmead.. Hi
Never attended a friend’s funeral which was caused thru violence, gangs or drugs, so I guess I am quite lucky/ can you remember any of the other gangs? If I am not mistaken were that not all named after fish? What was with that?

Jennifer, Orpington
I’m glad that fighter meant so much to you, and I am sorry for your loss, however it still doesn’t deter me from the fact that he was trying to act the ‘hard man’ and I am sorry if you think I am wrong, but this is my conception of him, from what I have seen on the video’s.. Can you honestly say hand on heart that if he was such a nice guy, then why would he put videos on line? I think he just wanted to gain notoriety. Now don’t come back having a go, as said this is my conclusion, as others have their own thoughts on this.
Its good that you can debate this issue without using expletives as some of the others have, and I hope you are doing well at your studies.

man like dromaah, Erith
What is that? Sorry I am having problems with reading that, I understand you saying something about Racist Attacks?

Louise, bexley says...
10:31am Thu 17 Jan 08

Hmm this video is amusing. I cant believe the news shopper even let these 5 donuts even open there mouths. What a load of RUBBISH, everything that was said is so untrue.! Brutal - Your a disgrace to the white race, look at the absolute state of you, why you talking like a yardie for? YOUR WHITE FROM TUMBRIDGE WELLS, UR NOT FROM THE GHETTO LOVE.! What makes me laugh is you couldnt even look at the camera when u was saying them things, because you know your lying! Fighter was NOT a nice boy, HE DID pick on innocent people, anyone weaker then him. As for the other boys in that video, one of them i couldnt even see hes face and i could not understand a word he was saying, and thats not being racist i really honestly couldnt. And to the little one that waffles on about "Why do u let your son come in at 12 rererer" Why not??? why shouldnt they be able to stay out to whenever, they shouldnt have to worry about SCCUMMMYY little rats like you lot, that roam the streets to whatever time picking on people, threatning people with knives, and dont say you dont do it because you have done it to a member of my family and hes friends. FOR NO REASON, they are not in a gang they have GROWN UP and they was 16 when you was 17 18. 21 year old, you need to grow up your a walking joke.
Your not ghetto at all, get jobs, get a life, brutal you cant say nothing all you go on about is carrying a strap (gun) and a knife. Your not innocent, and you go on about "YOU DONT NO WHAT ITS LIKE TO BE A TEENAGER ON THE STREETS THESE DAYS" Yes i do, im nearlly 19, i used to hang about on the streets for 4 years 13 - 16, and i can safely say i never had any of this going on. RA arnt "RACIAL ATTACKERS" they are "RED ALERT" and they have ethnic friends within there group so CHRIS AKA BRUTAL stop chatting rubbish sunshine. From a person that new fighter personally, i can safley say he was SCUM, he was in a drugs den "he didnt do drugs" nah course he never..boy was a angel wasnt he. LOL open ur eyes, i no hes ur pal and hes dead, but oh my god how can u stand there and blatently lie through your teeth. You are not ghetto, your little no bodies that cant fight one on one. RIP the true soliders fighting for there country etc, not fake little hoodlem boys that think they are bad punching random people in the face, GOIN TO NWK COLLEGE AND BEATIN PPL UP WITH UMBRELLAS, yh ur all so lovely u little scumbags i hope you all grow up before u end up like "fighterr"

Erastus, The Lounge says...
10:32am Thu 17 Jan 08

Friedrich, I am liking you more and more. Married?

me here, bexley says...
10:34am Thu 17 Jan 08

City of London yes they was all named after fish.

reader, bexleyheath says...
11:23am Thu 17 Jan 08

me here wrote:
I cant believe the newsshopper has give these thugs the coverage they wanted,its only to big them selfs up.They are a waste of time and space. Before long we will probably be reading about another one of these yobs either they have had their life taken or taken someone elses.They are nothing but scum the lot of them.
I also can't beieve this paper is given the gang such lime light, when it all kicks of because of all the backlash of this! i do hope you will pick up the bodys, because these kids are all scum and had you reported them in the past you would have known, they come into the bexley area all ganged up i seen this with my own eyes and beat the **** out of 1 boy on his own now tell me they are good boys i for one as a aduit will not bother to read this paper again it just making the youths build up to one hell of a fight in my eyes and i do hope that the police are reading it too! take all their names and watch this space they are muggers, they DO USE WEAPENS on other people and you let these scum has their say well your sick..

IVS BOOP BOOP, DARTFORD says...
11:26am Thu 17 Jan 08

DID U KNO HIM? NO
SO WHY EVEN START PUTTING UR OPINION TOWARDS SOMEONE YOU DONT KNOW AND EVEN THE MORE SO NOW THEY CANT STICK UP FOR THEMSELVES, WHY TAKE IT SO SERIOUSLY YOU SAY UR GNA TEACH YOUR KIDS RITE FROM WRONG BUT THERES DISTRACTIONS AND PEOPLE AROUND THAT WILL LEAD THEM THE OTHER WAY, NO ONES PERFECT WHAT YOU HEAR ARE RUMOURS HOW CAN YOU PROVE THEIR RIGHT? YOU CANT!

Friedrich Nietzsche, says...
11:27am Thu 17 Jan 08

WAIT....I'm getting flashbacks to 20 years ago!

Goldfish, Tench....Wildfowler, Gangs, Thamesmead?
Mid Eighties?

Ahhh...the good old days!

Dearest Erastus.....very much so!


Erastus, The Gazebo says...
11:33am Thu 17 Jan 08

Oh, dear. The thickies who communicate in capital letters are back. Did you know it is considered rude to write in caps in a forum? It means you are shouting.

Friedrich. You win some, you lose some x

Reader, DARTFORD says...
11:40am Thu 17 Jan 08

IVS BOOP BOOP wrote:
DID U KNO HIM? NO SO WHY EVEN START PUTTING UR OPINION TOWARDS SOMEONE YOU DONT KNOW AND EVEN THE MORE SO NOW THEY CANT STICK UP FOR THEMSELVES, WHY TAKE IT SO SERIOUSLY YOU SAY UR GNA TEACH YOUR KIDS RITE FROM WRONG BUT THERES DISTRACTIONS AND PEOPLE AROUND THAT WILL LEAD THEM THE OTHER WAY, NO ONES PERFECT WHAT YOU HEAR ARE RUMOURS HOW CAN YOU PROVE THEIR RIGHT? YOU CANT!
Dear Mr IVS BOOP BOOP,

Now with your kid help and this newspaper I can now go the Bexleyheath Police station.

:-), london City says...
11:42am Thu 17 Jan 08

IVS BOOP BOOP

Distractions and people were around back then as well, please do not make the mistake of thinking you have the monopoly on this, I agree it is hard for a teenager, it always has been, and probably will always be, but when you become a adult or responsible for your own actions then surely, you should have the strength to turn your back on such distractions? It is only the meek and mild that will allow themselves to follow, I made a choice to get out and better myself, as probably a number of readers have, to which I know my family are proud of.

I probably said the same to my mum, but at the end of the day I still had these virtues installed into me. And who has ever called themselves perfect? I know I am not perfect, far from it, I drink, I smoke and I swear, but for the life of me I have never gone out to cause harm. It is a stronger person to walk away from a fight that to stay and fight

And I can comment on this because YouTube videos which prove that Fighterr was not the nice guy that IVS are making him out to be, and further more I can comment on these because I am allowed to voice my opinions due to freedom of speech, same as you can comment and converse back. Anyway I am putting my opinion on the situation and not the individual as you rightly said I did not know him.

Plus what is this Boop boop? You still have not told me?

Me, Here says...
11:44am Thu 17 Jan 08

At the next election im going to vote Erastus. i want him running the country.

IVS BOOP BOOP, DARTFORD says...
11:56am Thu 17 Jan 08

CAPS GET MY POINT ACROSS

if it bothers you ill write like this just for you. Yeah you can voice your oppinion byt im doing the same too & you don't like it do you, hense why your geting on a highhorse about it. Whatever you say you will not change my mind Fighter was a good friend he was there for me when i needed someone & thats how i want to remember him.

Watching a video dont mean you understand him he does have a nice side too. which he showed more than his bad everyone shows off

BOOP BOOP means nothing :)

:-), london City says...
12:07pm Thu 17 Jan 08

IVS BOOP BOOP

Where do you see me getting on my high-horse? And I do like conversing with you, you are stating one view, I am stating another view, that’s what makes this country tick, different opinions; if everyone had the same opinion do you not think it would be boring?

I truly am sorry for your loss, as I have said in another post, but the fact still remains that the guys video above is trying to portray fighterr as this ‘nice never hurt no one’ kind of guy, whereas YouTube and victims of his actions have proven otherwise.
I applaud your dedication to the memory of him. All I am saying is that friendship can often blind people to what is really going on.

Can I also ask what you are doing with your life now? And are you still a member of IVS? Plus thanks for clearing up the Boop boop issue, I thought it meant something…

IVS BOOP BOOP, DARTFORD says...
12:08pm Thu 17 Jan 08

Reader wrote:
IVS BOOP BOOP wrote: DID U KNO HIM? NO SO WHY EVEN START PUTTING UR OPINION TOWARDS SOMEONE YOU DONT KNOW AND EVEN THE MORE SO NOW THEY CANT STICK UP FOR THEMSELVES, WHY TAKE IT SO SERIOUSLY YOU SAY UR GNA TEACH YOUR KIDS RITE FROM WRONG BUT THERES DISTRACTIONS AND PEOPLE AROUND THAT WILL LEAD THEM THE OTHER WAY, NO ONES PERFECT WHAT YOU HEAR ARE RUMOURS HOW CAN YOU PROVE THEIR RIGHT? YOU CANT!
Dear Mr IVS BOOP BOOP, Now with your kid help and this newspaper I can now go the Bexleyheath Police station.
im a miss actually
saracasm?
grow up

IVS BOOP BOOP, DARTFORD says...
12:13pm Thu 17 Jan 08

:-) wrote:
IVS BOOP BOOP Where do you see me getting on my high-horse? And I do like conversing with you, you are stating one view, I am stating another view, that’s what makes this country tick, different opinions; if everyone had the same opinion do you not think it would be boring? I truly am sorry for your loss, as I have said in another post, but the fact still remains that the guys video above is trying to portray fighterr as this ‘nice never hurt no one’ kind of guy, whereas YouTube and victims of his actions have proven otherwise. I applaud your dedication to the memory of him. All I am saying is that friendship can often blind people to what is really going on. Can I also ask what you are doing with your life now? And are you still a member of IVS? Plus thanks for clearing up the Boop boop issue, I thought it meant something…
Ive never been a member i just put it in my title im in higher education and i knew fighter but did i go and follow his ways? im just being a friend just as i would expect others to be for me. e may have hurt people

is a 'happy slap' really that violent yeah its not nice but the person is still alive arnt they?

I put 'ivs boop boop' as id rather stay anon ty

., Dartford says...
12:22pm Thu 17 Jan 08

What ever floats your boat.

:-), london City says...
12:24pm Thu 17 Jan 08

IVS BOOP BOOP
I am glad that you think of him so highly and that you are defending him to the last. And I do not know if you went and followed his ways, as I do not know you from Adam, you are putting a case forward intellectually, which I would assume you didn’t go down that route.

So are you saying that happy slapping is right? And that the victim is never hurt? Say for instance the victim had medical issues, and that 1 happy slap would have killed them, are you saying this is right? Even if the potential victim was a healthy person, would it hurt them? What happens if that person was to turn around and hit back? Would IVS jump on him? Just because he is protecting himself?
No violence is right, and if you think that the odd happy slap is ok, then I am sorry, you to need a reality check, would you like it if I done it to you? Or to one of the other members if they were by themselves?

IVS BOOP BOOP, DARTFORD says...
12:24pm Thu 17 Jan 08

MUM wrote:
LEwiss IVS wrote:
A MUM wrote: What aloud of crap! You say He was a nice boy, your all trying to came across like your nice boys (bullsh*t) in the video one of you say…your son comes home about half 12 yeah with a black eye yeah, what was he doing out that late, why did you let him out that late, WELL let me tell you, my sons is 18, he went to the fun fair in damson park with he’s girlfriend of 2 years, he got jumped by about 12 mugs for no reason at all, that was around 8 o’clock in the evening, did he ask for that? NO he didn’t, was in in a gang? NO he wasn’t, then we had a van load of mugs looking for him, they was driving pass my house, the oldest one in the back of the van was 28 years old ha ha ha BIG MEN! I think NOT. My son should be able to go where he likes and at what time he likes and be safe. Then he got robed of he’s phone by 8 black mugs, he was out walking our dog, they followed him into a shop and tried to beat him over the head with glass jars they picked up from the counter in the shop, did he ask for that too? NO HE NEVER! My son left school last year, in he’s exams he’s got Es & Fs but I told him it don’t matter you tried your best, and as long as my son gives me he’s best im happy, I told him DON’T BE THE DOSSER SITING ON THE STREET CONER WITH A CAN OF BEER IN YOUR HEAD, .BE THE ONE DRIVING PASS IN A NICE CAR THAT YOU WORKED HARD FOR, he as always remembered me saying that to him. He got a job as soon as he left school and is doing well. SO IF HE CAN DO IT WITH EXAM RESULTS LIKE THAT, THAN YOU ALL CAN, GET OFF YOUR BACKSIDE AND DO SOMETHING WITH YOUR LIFES!
ure an idiot if ure son got beat up in danson das in bexleyheath and ivs dont go bexleyheath danson is full of ra i was there at that festival so really ure slagging off the people that use 2 fight the bullies that beat ure son. there the equivelant 2 ure son gathering a few blokes 2 sort out the people who jumped him. except we aint blokes where the same age if not younger den them and i honestly doubt he got jumped and chased in a van for no reason he must have done something.
oh little gobby boy we knew who it was cos when they come round in their van, they soon went running with their tail between their legs, it will take a lot more than a few little plastic gangsters to get us shacking in our shoes, ive never been intimidated in my life and i aint going to start now. all you boys go on about is if a gang want to start on us, then we are going to retaliate, all i was trying to point out is my son wasn\'t in a gang, he was with his girlfriend at a fun fair, and i don\'t care where that was he should be able to do that without being jumped. his far from stupid, he is nearly 6ft and done boxing all his life and he give as good as he got, thank god. he can hold his own but he don\'t go round bulling, and intimidating people. his at work earning a nice few quid, what you doing bully boy? pushing drugs? who\'s the idiot?, yea maybe my son is, going to work to keep your lazy druggy bully arse.
yeah hes not gobby hes putting his point across which you have the right to too, but calling him offensive names is going to far DONT DO IT

IVS BOOP BOOP, dartford says...
12:28pm Thu 17 Jan 08

:-) wrote:
IVS BOOP BOOP I am glad that you think of him so highly and that you are defending him to the last. And I do not know if you went and followed his ways, as I do not know you from Adam, you are putting a case forward intellectually, which I would assume you didn’t go down that route. So are you saying that happy slapping is right? And that the victim is never hurt? Say for instance the victim had medical issues, and that 1 happy slap would have killed them, are you saying this is right? Even if the potential victim was a healthy person, would it hurt them? What happens if that person was to turn around and hit back? Would IVS jump on him? Just because he is protecting himself? No violence is right, and if you think that the odd happy slap is ok, then I am sorry, you to need a reality check, would you like it if I done it to you? Or to one of the other members if they were by themselves?
no i dont agree with it, but fighter never murdered or put life threatening force on any one all the time i knew him. i dont need a reality check thankyou, being a straight a student i do know whats right and wrong and how to achieve what i desire in life, yet still accepting others at the same time

Me, Here says...
12:29pm Thu 17 Jan 08

ERASTUS TO BE NEXT PM!

Me, Here says...
12:32pm Thu 17 Jan 08

oh shut up boop boop you berk - you are driving me mad!!

IVS BOOP BOOP, DARTFORD says...
12:33pm Thu 17 Jan 08

Me wrote:
oh shut up boop boop you berk - you are driving me mad!!
You know where the 'x' button is.

ivs boop boop, dartford says...
12:37pm Thu 17 Jan 08

IVS BOOP BOOP wrote:
Me wrote: oh shut up boop boop you berk - you are driving me mad!!
You know where the \'x\' button is.
look at you thinking your gonna be pm.. pfft. if you cant take ONE view you wont pass as a pm mate

Erastus, The Police Station says...
12:45pm Thu 17 Jan 08

Unfortunately, someone with very little imagination is impersonating me. If you read remarks by Erastus putting myself down, you will know it is the imposter.

Me, Here: I would like to appoint you my campaign manager!

Rodney, Cray says...
12:46pm Thu 17 Jan 08

Two great examples of self delusion here.

The murdered fellas friends kidding theirselves that that happy slapping and the like is only minor violence and is quite harmless.

And, more worryingly, this Erastus who seems to me to be of the viewpoint that he/she is amusing.

To the gang members and their friends I offer this advice - the moment you cease to adopt the attitude that everyone is against you, and you refuse to take umbrage at what others might say, is the day when you are in control of your own life, and you can follow your own path. If I met any of you one on one you I believe you would all be nice people, it's just the gang mentality that roughs the edges a bit. When you look in the mirror you know full well that beating people up and intimidating people is a fools game. Bullies only bully to validate their own sense of worth.

:-), london City says...
12:50pm Thu 17 Jan 08

IVS BOOP BOOP

Straight A student, that is good, and I am pleased you have focus, but to quote you ‘is a happy slap really that violent yeah its not nice but the person is still alive arnt they?’ that would show the intent that you think it would be ok to happy slap someone because that would be alive at the end of it? well I have stated what could have happened, and yet you mask over that comment. As I have stated NO violence should be condoned no matter how small or how feeble it is.

Did fighterr ever carry any weapons as other people have suggested? If he did (even a stick) this is potentially using life threatening force.

Who ever said I am not accepting of others? I work in a multicultural office, I have Americans, South Africans, Indians, I myself was not born in this country (and yes I am white), so it would be hypocritical of me, if I were not accepting of others. I don’t mind other races, nationalities, ages; it’s these people that make life interesting, looking at other people, speaking with people who have differing views of the world. So please do not imply that I am not accepting of others, I am merely stating my opinion on the evidence I have seen and nothing more.

man like dromah
I have not called you that at all I asked for what you said as I couldn’t read it which I still can’t I am just getting the gist of what you are saying,

Anyway up until this saga I have never heard of RA or IVS or anyone like that so if they thought they were well known, sadly you were not that well known

ivs boop boop, dartford says...
12:51pm Thu 17 Jan 08

Rodney wrote:
Two great examples of self delusion here. The murdered fellas friends kidding theirselves that that happy slapping and the like is only minor violence and is quite harmless. And, more worryingly, this Erastus who seems to me to be of the viewpoint that he/she is amusing. To the gang members and their friends I offer this advice - the moment you cease to adopt the attitude that everyone is against you, and you refuse to take umbrage at what others might say, is the day when you are in control of your own life, and you can follow your own path. If I met any of you one on one you I believe you would all be nice people, it\'s just the gang mentality that roughs the edges a bit. When you look in the mirror you know full well that beating people up and intimidating people is a fools game. Bullies only bully to validate their own sense of worth.
Fair point. im not in ivs it may sound daft but my friend named my title taking the mick and if i change it now people on here wont know who i am.. which emphasises having a gang like name or belonging to one you are les likely to be accepted which is a point i just proved you think im a nasty person, when im not you think im not following the right path when i am, im in a grammar school succeeding but still trying to understand why people don't accept my friend. if you have nothing nice to say dont quote me please.

Bashir, Welling says...
12:51pm Thu 17 Jan 08

I came here from Afghanistan three years ago because of the benefits but I would never allow any of my 5 sons to become members of gangs.

Erastus, The Bath says...
12:53pm Thu 17 Jan 08

Rodney seems to be under the delusion that he is interesting but who has ever met an interesting 'Rodney'?

ivs boop boop, dartford says...
12:54pm Thu 17 Jan 08

:-) wrote:
IVS BOOP BOOP Straight A student, that is good, and I am pleased you have focus, but to quote you ‘is a happy slap really that violent yeah its not nice but the person is still alive arnt they?’ that would show the intent that you think it would be ok to happy slap someone because that would be alive at the end of it? well I have stated what could have happened, and yet you mask over that comment. As I have stated NO violence should be condoned no matter how small or how feeble it is. Did fighterr ever carry any weapons as other people have suggested? If he did (even a stick) this is potentially using life threatening force. Who ever said I am not accepting of others? I work in a multicultural office, I have Americans, South Africans, Indians, I myself was not born in this country (and yes I am white), so it would be hypocritical of me, if I were not accepting of others. I don’t mind other races, nationalities, ages; it’s these people that make life interesting, looking at other people, speaking with people who have differing views of the world. So please do not imply that I am not accepting of others, I am merely stating my opinion on the evidence I have seen and nothing more. man like dromah I have not called you that at all I asked for what you said as I couldn’t read it which I still can’t I am just getting the gist of what you are saying, Anyway up until this saga I have never heard of RA or IVS or anyone like that so if they thought they were well known, sadly you were not that well known
i didnt say you werent accepting others i said i was.
i really cant be bothered with you we both have different views just leave it at that

Lauren/LadySkamz, Dartford says...
1:01pm Thu 17 Jan 08

How Can Yu B So HeartLess Everywun Makes Mistakes If Yuve Been Beaten Up Dun Jus Blame It On IVS Coz Yu Can Inew Fighter And He Stuck By His Boys .. Im Sure Yuu All Stick By Yur M8z His Done Nuffink Rong Now Show Yur Respect . R.I.P FIGHTER

:-), london City says...
1:03pm Thu 17 Jan 08

I agree IVS Boop Boop and I wish you all the luck in the future, and one day you’ll look back on this situation and say to yourself ‘was I really that bad or naïve’ as I know I do look back on my youth and wonder that.
Thanks for putting your views across so eloquently unlike some of the new posters... I hope you are all proud that you know how to copy and paste.. IVS in a long list…
Sorry but do you think that is helping your case against some people on here? (that’s not aimed at you IVS Boop Boop, I do have respect for you)

Erastus, The Chair says...
1:10pm Thu 17 Jan 08

Oh, dear. The silly little kids have decided to wreck the forum. They don't have much imagination, do they?

Erastus, Settee says...
1:16pm Thu 17 Jan 08

One question for the gang members.

If you are all so busy studying at school, college etc, how do you find the time to keep posting messages on here?

Just wondered.

Me, Here says...
1:25pm Thu 17 Jan 08

Erastus wrote:
Unfortunately, someone with very little imagination is impersonating me. If you read remarks by Erastus putting myself down, you will know it is the imposter. Me, Here: I would like to appoint you my campaign manager!
I accept your offer Erastus. i think we should start by giving you a title, i think you will agree that "Sir" Erastus has quite a ring to it.......
Job number two, we must go hug hoodies in bluewater.

Bashir, Welling says...
1:27pm Thu 17 Jan 08

Please be continuing interesting discussion.

stop it now, not bexley thank god ! says...
1:30pm Thu 17 Jan 08

gangs are gangs, if you sign up to a gang then you are nothing more than street scum. the gangsters of old may well have killed people, but they kept the filth of the streets, filth like these gangs that think its fun and cool to intimidate harrass and abuse people. the invincibles ???? one dead gang member no longer thinks so. be real men, grow up ffs.

Bashir, Welling says...
1:33pm Thu 17 Jan 08

like I tell my sons stay out of trouble. take benefits. stay away from gangs. Open shop.

Erastus, The garden says...
1:36pm Thu 17 Jan 08

Dear Me, Here.

Perhaps we would get more votes if we SHOT some hoodies instead of hugging them?

I will take my 12 bore down from over the fireplace and send out for some cartridges.

Me, Here says...
1:42pm Thu 17 Jan 08

An excellent idea Sir Erastus....i shall grab my elephant gun and dear stalkers hat. Lets meet by the old waterworks in 10 minutes. You will know who i am as i will be wearing nothing but the dear stalkers hat and a rather fetching pair of pink crutchless knickers.

Bashir, Welling says...
1:42pm Thu 17 Jan 08

is erastus gang member?

Bashir, Welling says...
1:51pm Thu 17 Jan 08

intresting discusions please!!

Bashir, Welling says...
1:53pm Thu 17 Jan 08

more intresting discusions please!!!!!

Erastus, The Gunshop says...
2:04pm Thu 17 Jan 08

Dear Mr Bashir.

This is not a forum for your amusement. Please try to contribute something constructive.

Perhaps you are too busy counting your benefits money?

Me, Here says...
2:04pm Thu 17 Jan 08

Stick to documentaries Bashir.....discussio
n isnt your strong point my friend.

PS - was Michael Jackson really as weird as he seems and are you on speaking terms after betraying his confidence like that?

Aimeyy., Dartford says...
2:08pm Thu 17 Jan 08

Everyone has a different point of view and thats fair enough, but the way people say he wasnt a nice person and what has been said about him is complete rubbish. You cannot judge a person without really knowing them and thats what most of these people are doing on here. If Half of you actually new him then you would be telling a completely different story. Faridon was a good person, Ok he done some things wrong but dont we all, Just dont judge him if you didnt know him. Rest In Peace Faridon Love you x

Rico, says...
2:11pm Thu 17 Jan 08

I am A girl who was in the Ivs Gang. I Started hanging around with the boys Nealry 2 years ago. and i can say these boys dont have a bad bone in their body! They stuck up for themselves. And they didnt go out to hurt anyone or be involved in Fighting.We were a big group of friends just hanging around 2gether Just out to have fun not 2 fight anyone! Rip Fighter ! You was a good boy and A good Friends x x

Duncan, Sidcup says...
2:30pm Thu 17 Jan 08

I used to work with a bloke called Michael Jackson once.

L, says...
2:37pm Thu 17 Jan 08

IVS BOOP BOOP wrote:
:-) wrote: IVS BOOP BOOP Where do you see me getting on my high-horse? And I do like conversing with you, you are stating one view, I am stating another view, that’s what makes this country tick, different opinions; if everyone had the same opinion do you not think it would be boring? I truly am sorry for your loss, as I have said in another post, but the fact still remains that the guys video above is trying to portray fighterr as this ‘nice never hurt no one’ kind of guy, whereas YouTube and victims of his actions have proven otherwise. I applaud your dedication to the memory of him. All I am saying is that friendship can often blind people to what is really going on. Can I also ask what you are doing with your life now? And are you still a member of IVS? Plus thanks for clearing up the Boop boop issue, I thought it meant something…
Ive never been a member i just put it in my title im in higher education and i knew fighter but did i go and follow his ways? im just being a friend just as i would expect others to be for me. e may have hurt people is a 'happy slap' really that violent yeah its not nice but the person is still alive arnt they? I put 'ivs boop boop' as id rather stay anon ty
If that is your feeling about "Happy slapping" and you say you are in further Education then there really is no hope!!

Me, Here says...
2:38pm Thu 17 Jan 08

I would love for one of them to be happy slapped....with a shovel.

EMMARR, gravesend says...
2:42pm Thu 17 Jan 08

R.I.P FRAIDONNNN AKA FIGTHERR
KEEP SHININGG
YOURR NEVA GONA B FORGOTERN BBE...
BUHHH NOW WE ALL NO UV GONEE TO A GOOD PLACEE

****


LOU, BEXLEY says...
2:44pm Thu 17 Jan 08

Hmm this video is amusing. I cant believe the news shopper even let these 5 donuts even open there mouths. What a load of RUBBISH, everything that was said is so untrue.! Brutal - Your a disgrace to the white race, look at the absolute state of you, why you talking like a yardie for? YOUR WHITE FROM TUMBRIDGE WELLS, UR NOT FROM THE GHETTO LOVE.! What makes me laugh is you couldnt even look at the camera when u was saying them things, because you know your lying! Fighter was NOT a nice boy, HE DID pick on innocent people, anyone weaker then him. As for the other boys in that video, one of them i couldnt even see hes face and i could not understand a word he was saying, and thats not being racist i really honestly couldnt. And to the little one that waffles on about "Why do u let your son come in at 12 rererer" Why not??? why shouldnt they be able to stay out to whenever, they shouldnt have to worry about SCCUMMMYY little rats like you lot, that roam the streets to whatever time picking on people, threatning people with knives, and dont say you dont do it because you have done it to a member of my family and hes friends. FOR NO REASON, they are not in a gang they have GROWN UP and they was 16 when you was 17 18. 21 year old, you need to grow up your a walking joke.
Your not ghetto at all, get jobs, get a life, brutal you cant say nothing all you go on about is carrying a strap (gun) and a knife. Your not innocent, and you go on about "YOU DONT NO WHAT ITS LIKE TO BE A TEENAGER ON THE STREETS THESE DAYS" Yes i do, im nearlly 19, i used to hang about on the streets for 4 years 13 - 16, and i can safely say i never had any of this going on. RA arnt "RACIAL ATTACKERS" they are "RED ALERT" and they have ethnic friends within there group so CHRIS AKA BRUTAL stop chatting rubbish sunshine. From a person that new fighter personally, i can safley say he was SCUM, he was in a drugs den "he didnt do drugs" nah course he never..boy was a angel wasnt he. LOL open ur eyes, i no hes ur pal and hes dead, but oh my god how can u stand there and blatently lie through your teeth. You are not ghetto, your little no bodies that cant fight one on one. RIP the true soliders fighting for there country etc, not fake little hoodlem boys that think they are bad punching random people in the face, GOIN TO NWK COLLEGE AND BEATIN PPL UP WITH UMBRELLAS, yh ur all so lovely u little scumbags i hope you all grow up before u end up like "fighterr"

ME, Charlton says...
2:58pm Thu 17 Jan 08

Do you know what? If you want to see a page where a nice, intellectual, decent member of the community was killed go look at Man 43 sentenced for park attack about a week ago. (You will notice nobody slagging off his lifestyle because he WAS a decent member of the community) Some of you are saying that this Fighterr was a nice bloke etc etc he sounds like a W****r to me like the rest of the gang. The ones in the article are old enough to get jobs so get one. At 16 I didnt have a clue what I wanted to do with my life so I stayed in higher education. It didnt help me at all as I am now a Supermarket manager (you dont need A Levels for that) but it kept me off the streets. Oh and good parenting definately helps.

Erastus you crack me up !!!

Sammmm, Bexleyheath says...
3:13pm Thu 17 Jan 08

A MUM wrote:
What aloud of crap! You say He was a nice boy, your all trying to came across like your nice boys (bullsh*t) in the video one of you say…your son comes home about half 12 yeah with a black eye yeah, what was he doing out that late, why did you let him out that late, WELL let me tell you, my sons is 18, he went to the fun fair in damson park with he’s girlfriend of 2 years, he got jumped by about 12 mugs for no reason at all, that was around 8 o’clock in the evening, did he ask for that? NO he didn’t, was in in a gang? NO he wasn’t, then we had a van load of mugs looking for him, they was driving pass my house, the oldest one in the back of the van was 28 years old ha ha ha BIG MEN! I think NOT. My son should be able to go where he likes and at what time he likes and be safe. Then he got robed of he’s phone by 8 black mugs, he was out walking our dog, they followed him into a shop and tried to beat him over the head with glass jars they picked up from the counter in the shop, did he ask for that too? NO HE NEVER! My son left school last year, in he’s exams he’s got Es & Fs but I told him it don’t matter you tried your best, and as long as my son gives me he’s best im happy, I told him DON’T BE THE DOSSER SITING ON THE STREET CONER WITH A CAN OF BEER IN YOUR HEAD, .BE THE ONE DRIVING PASS IN A NICE CAR THAT YOU WORKED HARD FOR, he as always remembered me saying that to him. He got a job as soon as he left school and is doing well. SO IF HE CAN DO IT WITH EXAM RESULTS LIKE THAT, THAN YOU ALL CAN, GET OFF YOUR BACKSIDE AND DO SOMETHING WITH YOUR LIFES!
You are saying about you son getting mugged and that at danson fair and getting mugged by "black mugs" but you are saying it as if you are having ago at these boys?? Was it them though? No!
And listen to what they said about they are all in college! DOING SOMETHING WITH THEIR LIVES!

Lou, Bexley says...
3:53pm Thu 17 Jan 08

Hahaha "SKAMMZ" calm down with the capitals ;). Why do there need to be 10 ethnics in RA to make them not racist??? Keza isnt white, and one of the 1st top boys of RA was indian so stop chatting rubbish. Yea most of RA are racist but they dont call themself racist attak loool, every one of u ethnics thinks any boy that jams in welling bexleyheath eltham erith belvedere is RA "OI BLUD U RA" And have u ever wondered as to why people are racist???? have you actually looked at yourselfs, the way u act, the way you are, most people would be ashamed to say you was there race, the same as allah would be ashamed of fighter, drug dealing, fighting, swearing, and what not. U need to grow up nowonder people start on u prats

Me, Here says...
4:04pm Thu 17 Jan 08

Lou wrote:
Hahaha "SKAMMZ" calm down with the capitals ;). Why do there need to be 10 ethnics in RA to make them not racist??? Keza isnt white, and one of the 1st top boys of RA was indian so stop chatting rubbish. Yea most of RA are racist but they dont call themself racist attak loool, every one of u ethnics thinks any boy that jams in welling bexleyheath eltham erith belvedere is RA "OI BLUD U RA" And have u ever wondered as to why people are racist???? have you actually looked at yourselfs, the way u act, the way you are, most people would be ashamed to say you was there race, the same as allah would be ashamed of fighter, drug dealing, fighting, swearing, and what not. U need to grow up nowonder people start on u prats
ha ha ha ha well said Lou. Marry me?

karen, says...
4:05pm Thu 17 Jan 08

isn't little scum backet callled vesk surpose to be the leader of ivs

MUM, Kent says...
4:08pm Thu 17 Jan 08

IVS BOOP BOOP wrote:
MUM wrote:
LEwiss IVS wrote:
A MUM wrote: What aloud of crap! You say He was a nice boy, your all trying to came across like your nice boys (bullsh*t) in the video one of you say…your son comes home about half 12 yeah with a black eye yeah, what was he doing out that late, why did you let him out that late, WELL let me tell you, my sons is 18, he went to the fun fair in damson park with he’s girlfriend of 2 years, he got jumped by about 12 mugs for no reason at all, that was around 8 o’clock in the evening, did he ask for that? NO he didn’t, was in in a gang? NO he wasn’t, then we had a van load of mugs looking for him, they was driving pass my house, the oldest one in the back of the van was 28 years old ha ha ha BIG MEN! I think NOT. My son should be able to go where he likes and at what time he likes and be safe. Then he got robed of he’s phone by 8 black mugs, he was out walking our dog, they followed him into a shop and tried to beat him over the head with glass jars they picked up from the counter in the shop, did he ask for that too? NO HE NEVER! My son left school last year, in he’s exams he’s got Es & Fs but I told him it don’t matter you tried your best, and as long as my son gives me he’s best im happy, I told him DON’T BE THE DOSSER SITING ON THE STREET CONER WITH A CAN OF BEER IN YOUR HEAD, .BE THE ONE DRIVING PASS IN A NICE CAR THAT YOU WORKED HARD FOR, he as always remembered me saying that to him. He got a job as soon as he left school and is doing well. SO IF HE CAN DO IT WITH EXAM RESULTS LIKE THAT, THAN YOU ALL CAN, GET OFF YOUR BACKSIDE AND DO SOMETHING WITH YOUR LIFES!
ure an idiot if ure son got beat up in danson das in bexleyheath and ivs dont go bexleyheath danson is full of ra i was there at that festival so really ure slagging off the people that use 2 fight the bullies that beat ure son. there the equivelant 2 ure son gathering a few blokes 2 sort out the people who jumped him. except we aint blokes where the same age if not younger den them and i honestly doubt he got jumped and chased in a van for no reason he must have done something.
oh little gobby boy we knew who it was cos when they come round in their van, they soon went running with their tail between their legs, it will take a lot more than a few little plastic gangsters to get us shacking in our shoes, ive never been intimidated in my life and i aint going to start now. all you boys go on about is if a gang want to start on us, then we are going to retaliate, all i was trying to point out is my son wasn\'t in a gang, he was with his girlfriend at a fun fair, and i don\'t care where that was he should be able to do that without being jumped. his far from stupid, he is nearly 6ft and done boxing all his life and he give as good as he got, thank god. he can hold his own but he don\'t go round bulling, and intimidating people. his at work earning a nice few quid, what you doing bully boy? pushing drugs? who\'s the idiot?, yea maybe my son is, going to work to keep your lazy druggy bully arse.
yeah hes not gobby hes putting his point across which you have the right to too, but calling him offensive names is going to far DONT DO IT
Emmm read your mates post! Who started with the name calling? Don’t give it if you can’t take it. I’m a mum with 2 kids and I’ve got a little scam bag calling me a idiot, see that’s what I mean my kids would NEVER talk to an adult like that YOU PEOPLE HAVE NO RESPECT NOT FOR ANYONE

Erastus, The Club says...
4:09pm Thu 17 Jan 08

Please do not type in capital letters, it is very rude and signifies that you are shouting.

Behrang, Slade Green says...
4:20pm Thu 17 Jan 08

I cannot understand why boys join gangs. When my father came to this country from Afghanistan 25 years ago he realised he had to learn the benefits system FAST and went down to Social Security with the sand still between his toes. AND he worked as a minicab driver by night.

In just five years he had saved enough of the money he earned from cabbing and the benefit money provided by the Government (praise Allah) and was able to start his own takeaway shop selling traditional Afghan fare such as chicken and chips, chicken burgers and kebabs.

When my father dies I will inherit all this so I have my father and the generous British Government (praise Allah) to thank.

If my father could do it, why can't these boys?

Lou, Bexley says...
4:20pm Thu 17 Jan 08

Oh and what else makes me laugh is you was all born here, so why talk like your still in africa etc :S sort ur lifes out mate.! dont see high class black lawyers talking like that do ya :S

A MUM, Kent says...
4:23pm Thu 17 Jan 08

Sammmm wrote:
A MUM wrote: What aloud of crap! You say He was a nice boy, your all trying to came across like your nice boys (bullsh*t) in the video one of you say…your son comes home about half 12 yeah with a black eye yeah, what was he doing out that late, why did you let him out that late, WELL let me tell you, my sons is 18, he went to the fun fair in damson park with he’s girlfriend of 2 years, he got jumped by about 12 mugs for no reason at all, that was around 8 o’clock in the evening, did he ask for that? NO he didn’t, was in in a gang? NO he wasn’t, then we had a van load of mugs looking for him, they was driving pass my house, the oldest one in the back of the van was 28 years old ha ha ha BIG MEN! I think NOT. My son should be able to go where he likes and at what time he likes and be safe. Then he got robed of he’s phone by 8 black mugs, he was out walking our dog, they followed him into a shop and tried to beat him over the head with glass jars they picked up from the counter in the shop, did he ask for that too? NO HE NEVER! My son left school last year, in he’s exams he’s got Es & Fs but I told him it don’t matter you tried your best, and as long as my son gives me he’s best im happy, I told him DON’T BE THE DOSSER SITING ON THE STREET CONER WITH A CAN OF BEER IN YOUR HEAD, .BE THE ONE DRIVING PASS IN A NICE CAR THAT YOU WORKED HARD FOR, he as always remembered me saying that to him. He got a job as soon as he left school and is doing well. SO IF HE CAN DO IT WITH EXAM RESULTS LIKE THAT, THAN YOU ALL CAN, GET OFF YOUR BACKSIDE AND DO SOMETHING WITH YOUR LIFES!
You are saying about you son getting mugged and that at danson fair and getting mugged by "black mugs" but you are saying it as if you are having ago at these boys?? Was it them though? No! And listen to what they said about they are all in college! DOING SOMETHING WITH THEIR LIVES!
Ivs is a gang is it not? YES and all these gangs are the same, they all walk about trying to find an easy target to kick the sh*t out of just for fun NICE BOYS THOUGH AINT THAY? And are you telling me that ivs as NEVER jumped someone lol don’t make me laugh ha ha ha

Maria, says...
4:28pm Thu 17 Jan 08

rite i know ppl in RA n dey aint racist trust me dey beat ppl up coz dey chat stuff down da fone n dat n dey called RED ALERT not racial attakers of w.e crap u said n fighterrr woz a drug addick he tried sellin my m8 weed bout 3 weeks ago so dnt start saying he woz a nice lad n w.e coz he werent n also he woz ganna stab my m8 coz he thought he woz in RA well he werent n wont be but my other m8s r n will beat da crap out of ppl who chat crap

Matty, North West Kent says...
4:29pm Thu 17 Jan 08

Why was a black boy beaten up at college by one of IVS this week ?? Isnt that racist. What right do these idiots have to pick on who they want and when??
Get your facts right thickos before you go around asking are you RA ha ha ha

You are all a JOKE people are laughing at you man, sort yoursleves out and as for the fat one on the video - pmsl at you - what a idiot

........, SE London says...
4:29pm Thu 17 Jan 08

SKAMMZ are you one of boys in the picture - if so not showing a very good example of what nice boys IVS are meant to be now are you...

you all say that you have nothing to do, it is the adults fault blah blah blah, you all have a choice in what you do, you choose to pick up a knife, gun, stick whatever and you choose to hurt people.. grow up take some form of responsability for your actions and don't blame everyone else....

Erastus, Leather Armchair says...
4:41pm Thu 17 Jan 08

By the look of the fat white child in the photograph I will wager he is a frequent visitor to Behrang's father's takeaway enterprise (see Behrang from Slade Green, above).

Demi, Eltham says...
4:42pm Thu 17 Jan 08

IVS BOOP BOOP wrote:
MUM wrote:
LEwiss IVS wrote:
A MUM wrote: What aloud of crap! You say He was a nice boy, your all trying to came across like your nice boys (bullsh*t) in the video one of you say…your son comes home about half 12 yeah with a black eye yeah, what was he doing out that late, why did you let him out that late, WELL let me tell you, my sons is 18, he went to the fun fair in damson park with he’s girlfriend of 2 years, he got jumped by about 12 mugs for no reason at all, that was around 8 o’clock in the evening, did he ask for that? NO he didn’t, was in in a gang? NO he wasn’t, then we had a van load of mugs looking for him, they was driving pass my house, the oldest one in the back of the van was 28 years old ha ha ha BIG MEN! I think NOT. My son should be able to go where he likes and at what time he likes and be safe. Then he got robed of he’s phone by 8 black mugs, he was out walking our dog, they followed him into a shop and tried to beat him over the head with glass jars they picked up from the counter in the shop, did he ask for that too? NO HE NEVER! My son left school last year, in he’s exams he’s got Es & Fs but I told him it don’t matter you tried your best, and as long as my son gives me he’s best im happy, I told him DON’T BE THE DOSSER SITING ON THE STREET CONER WITH A CAN OF BEER IN YOUR HEAD, .BE THE ONE DRIVING PASS IN A NICE CAR THAT YOU WORKED HARD FOR, he as always remembered me saying that to him. He got a job as soon as he left school and is doing well. SO IF HE CAN DO IT WITH EXAM RESULTS LIKE THAT, THAN YOU ALL CAN, GET OFF YOUR BACKSIDE AND DO SOMETHING WITH YOUR LIFES!
ure an idiot if ure son got beat up in danson das in bexleyheath and ivs dont go bexleyheath danson is full of ra i was there at that festival so really ure slagging off the people that use 2 fight the bullies that beat ure son. there the equivelant 2 ure son gathering a few blokes 2 sort out the people who jumped him. except we aint blokes where the same age if not younger den them and i honestly doubt he got jumped and chased in a van for no reason he must have done something.
oh little gobby boy we knew who it was cos when they come round in their van, they soon went running with their tail between their legs, it will take a lot more than a few little plastic gangsters to get us shacking in our shoes, ive never been intimidated in my life and i aint going to start now. all you boys go on about is if a gang want to start on us, then we are going to retaliate, all i was trying to point out is my son wasn\'t in a gang, he was with his girlfriend at a fun fair, and i don\'t care where that was he should be able to do that without being jumped. his far from stupid, he is nearly 6ft and done boxing all his life and he give as good as he got, thank god. he can hold his own but he don\'t go round bulling, and intimidating people. his at work earning a nice few quid, what you doing bully boy? pushing drugs? who\'s the idiot?, yea maybe my son is, going to work to keep your lazy druggy bully arse.
yeah hes not gobby hes putting his point across which you have the right to too, but calling him offensive names is going to far DONT DO IT
He should get used to it cos if he stays in these gangs his going to get a lot worse than name calling and with his gob his going to finish up where fighter is. so tell him DONT DO IT ...DONT JOIN THE GANGS...AND GROW UP

Erastus, The Bar says...
4:43pm Thu 17 Jan 08

Demi, such wise words from one so young.

Erastus, The Couch says...
4:46pm Thu 17 Jan 08

Would people please refrain from clicking the quote button as it takes up too much space on here.

Your cooperation will be appreciated.

Elldotstahh, says...
4:47pm Thu 17 Jan 08

IVS all day. What that are saying isnt BS actually. Fighter was a good person. R.I.P Babe. Love u vesk,snipzy and skamz =) xxx

Me, Here says...
4:50pm Thu 17 Jan 08

Where have you been Erastus ive been worried sick!?

Behrang, Slade Green says...
4:50pm Thu 17 Jan 08

My father would not allow him into his shop.

Erastus T. Piggott, The Bar says...
4:52pm Thu 17 Jan 08

Dear Me, Here.

I had to escort Mrs Piggott to the hairdresser.

Me, Here says...
4:58pm Thu 17 Jan 08

Short, back and sides?

I had a back, sack and crack done once. Ouch.

xx

Erastus T. Piggott, In the Rolls says...
4:58pm Thu 17 Jan 08

I would like to inform you all that I am considering writing my autobiography and I was wondering whether any of you would consider adding said publication to your library.

Erastus T. Piggott, The Bathroom says...
5:05pm Thu 17 Jan 08

Dear Me, Here.

Mrs Piggot attends to my back and sack and I, in turn, attend to her crack.

Louise, bexley says...
5:06pm Thu 17 Jan 08

Elldotstahh wrote:
IVS all day. What that are saying isnt BS actually. Fighter was a good person. R.I.P Babe. Love u vesk,snipzy and skamz =) xxx
"elldotstahh" Hahahahaha your another joke you little ****! crawl back out of "vesk snipzy and scamz" bum cracks, do u seriously think dey like U loool dey just tryna get into ur nikas, if they havent done so already u little runt. good person was he??? think ur the only person that thinks that, oh and hes 2 bob crew of course

Demi, Eltham says...
5:07pm Thu 17 Jan 08

Lionel wrote:
Brutal - when you look at yourself on the video, do you cringe with shame when you hear yourself talking? I know I would if I were you. Have you forgotten your own roots? Do your parents speak like that? Got no problem with your mates talking like that as they are obviously from west indian heritage, but you my friend are a white, ginger male who tries to talk like a yardie. A right shower of sh1t if you don't mind me saying so.
Yea Ginger Cringer.AKA Brutal. i agree with all Lionel said. and would like to add IF YOUR MUM WANTED A BLACK BOY , SHE WOULD HAVE MARRIED A BLACK MAN..so do ya self a favour talk properly

Behrang, Slade Green says...
5:13pm Thu 17 Jan 08

I cannot understand why boys join gangs. When my father came to this country from Afghanistan 25 years ago he realised he had to learn the benefits system FAST and went down to Social Security with the sand still between his toes. AND he worked as a minicab driver by night.

In just five years he had saved enough of the money he earned from cabbing and the benefit money provided by the Government (praise Allah) and was able to start his own takeaway shop selling traditional Afghan fare such as chicken and chips, chicken burgers and kebabs.

When my father dies I will inherit all this so I have my father and the generous British Government (praise Allah) to thank.

If my father could do it, why can't these boys?

Lou, bexley says...
5:24pm Thu 17 Jan 08

I aint telling you where ur from or what not, i dont care where ur from love. drunk up on cocaine? thats a new one didnt no u could get drunk off it but still.! Yh keza is indian but nos where he was born, unlike u scum, dats why hes respected thats why hes not beat u. ur 21 and u call urself skamz?? WHAT A FOOL. you ever gonna grow up love? u gonna tell ur kids wen ur oldah that daddy was ina "CREW" till the age of god nos, and was called "skamz" till the age of 21? please your a joke stop chatting crap i no the truth hurts but never mind eh 1 day ul get better and grow up :) that would be all from louuuu

Erastus T. Piggott, The Railway Tavern says...
5:29pm Thu 17 Jan 08

Lou, if you are in the vicinity of the Railway Tavern, Bexley Village, pop in and I will buy you a drink.

..., erith says...
5:38pm Thu 17 Jan 08

what happened to twister?

Sophie, Erith says...
5:50pm Thu 17 Jan 08

rite ppl dis boy fighterrr woznt a nice boy n selled drugs n took dem beat ppl up 4 no reason but u lot IVS the invinsibles or w.e need to get a real life n leave da gang ur in rite im 16 n i know ppl in gangs but all dey do is beat ppl up dey tink it jks but wen it **** down 2 it dey will get hurt 2 in da end so u need to get a life seriously u say u got jobs but u still dress like gangstas stop bein wannabes

rob, London says...
5:51pm Thu 17 Jan 08

Maria wrote:
rite i know ppl in RA n dey aint racist trust me dey beat ppl up coz dey chat stuff down da fone n dat n dey called RED ALERT not racial attakers of w.e crap u said n fighterrr woz a drug addick he tried sellin my m8 weed bout 3 weeks ago so dnt start saying he woz a nice lad n w.e coz he werent n also he woz ganna stab my m8 coz he thought he woz in RA well he werent n wont be but my other m8s r n will beat da crap out of ppl who chat crap
Shut up you cretin.

Erastus T. Piggott, The Off Licence says...
5:51pm Thu 17 Jan 08

The English language will never die as long as Sophie is walking this Earth.

Erastus T. Piggott, The Barn says...
6:26pm Thu 17 Jan 08

May I be so bold as to assume that the current long silence indicates that my comments have educated you all to the extent that nothing more needs to be said?

Erastus T. Piggott, The Podium says...
6:38pm Thu 17 Jan 08

Yet again, it seems Sir Erastus has had the last word.

As it should be.

Sarah Cullen, Swanley Village says...
6:38pm Thu 17 Jan 08

Erastus T. Piggott wrote:
May I be so bold as to assume that the current long silence indicates that my comments have educated you all to the extent that nothing more needs to be said?
Get a job.

This spooky guy was posting bilge here this morning when I left for work and it looks like he's being doing nothing else all day.

Leigh, Blackheath says...
6:45pm Thu 17 Jan 08

Erastus
What on earth are you doing sending messages to yourself in this forum?

This person should be blocked - he's obviously insane.

Erastus T. Piggott, The Couch says...
6:50pm Thu 17 Jan 08

Better to be INSANE, Leigh, than INANE like your goodself.

Incidentally, are you male or female? I was just wondering as 'Leigh' is the female version of 'Lee'.


se, ere says...
6:54pm Thu 17 Jan 08

Bashir wrote:
I came here from Afghanistan three years ago because of the benefits but I would never allow any of my 5 sons to become members of gangs.
what dss benefits that says it all

Clair, Charlton says...
6:57pm Thu 17 Jan 08

Girls,
This guy is crazy. He started off calling Leigh inane, then tries to chat her up.

Seriously, he's been posting all kinds of sick stuff in other sections - a total loon.

He's starting to worry me. This aint funny anymore.

Anon, yeah says...
7:02pm Thu 17 Jan 08

Ban erastus newsshopper!

h, h says...
7:02pm Thu 17 Jan 08

who you talking about

Erastus T. Piggott, The Chemist says...
7:07pm Thu 17 Jan 08

It is me that are disparaging, h.

Poor souls.

Erastus T. Piggott, The Lounger says...
7:10pm Thu 17 Jan 08

Clair, are you friends with Leigh?

I cannot imagine why you thought I was chatting Leigh up.

Erastus T. Piggott, The Carrot Couch says...
7:22pm Thu 17 Jan 08

Anon, did you get your name because you go onAnonAnonAnonAnonAn
on?

h, h says...
7:23pm Thu 17 Jan 08

Erastus T. Piggott wrote:
It is me that are disparaging, h. Poor souls.
quote
o its you there talking about you need to get a life sado go join a gang

Sammmm., Bexleyheath says...
7:25pm Thu 17 Jan 08

A MUM wrote:
Sammmm wrote:
A MUM wrote: What aloud of crap! You say He was a nice boy, your all trying to came across like your nice boys (bullsh*t) in the video one of you say…your son comes home about half 12 yeah with a black eye yeah, what was he doing out that late, why did you let him out that late, WELL let me tell you, my sons is 18, he went to the fun fair in damson park with he’s girlfriend of 2 years, he got jumped by about 12 mugs for no reason at all, that was around 8 o’clock in the evening, did he ask for that? NO he didn’t, was in in a gang? NO he wasn’t, then we had a van load of mugs looking for him, they was driving pass my house, the oldest one in the back of the van was 28 years old ha ha ha BIG MEN! I think NOT. My son should be able to go where he likes and at what time he likes and be safe. Then he got robed of he’s phone by 8 black mugs, he was out walking our dog, they followed him into a shop and tried to beat him over the head with glass jars they picked up from the counter in the shop, did he ask for that too? NO HE NEVER! My son left school last year, in he’s exams he’s got Es & Fs but I told him it don’t matter you tried your best, and as long as my son gives me he’s best im happy, I told him DON’T BE THE DOSSER SITING ON THE STREET CONER WITH A CAN OF BEER IN YOUR HEAD, .BE THE ONE DRIVING PASS IN A NICE CAR THAT YOU WORKED HARD FOR, he as always remembered me saying that to him. He got a job as soon as he left school and is doing well. SO IF HE CAN DO IT WITH EXAM RESULTS LIKE THAT, THAN YOU ALL CAN, GET OFF YOUR BACKSIDE AND DO SOMETHING WITH YOUR LIFES!
You are saying about you son getting mugged and that at danson fair and getting mugged by \"black mugs\" but you are saying it as if you are having ago at these boys?? Was it them though? No! And listen to what they said about they are all in college! DOING SOMETHING WITH THEIR LIVES!
Ivs is a gang is it not? YES and all these gangs are the same, they all walk about trying to find an easy target to kick the sh*t out of just for fun NICE BOYS THOUGH AINT THAY? And are you telling me that ivs as NEVER jumped someone lol don’t make me laugh ha ha ha
Did I say it wasn't a gang>? Ermm No! Learn to read what people write before you comment back! Idiot

Lord Erastus T. Piggott, The Dining Room says...
7:31pm Thu 17 Jan 08

Oh well, people of no imagination. It is time for me to repast. But for a few, you have consistently proved that you are lower on the food chain than I.

I bid you all goodnight and hope that the forthcoming night will refresh your stale minds and that in the morning, when you are refreshed, you will be literate, spontaneous and a little more 'interesting'.

Night, night. Mind the bugs don't bite.

Your Lord, Erastus T. Piggott.

h, h says...
7:42pm Thu 17 Jan 08

Lord Erastus T. Piggott wrote:
Oh well, people of no imagination. It is time for me to repast. But for a few, you have consistently proved that you are lower on the food chain than I. I bid you all goodnight and hope that the forthcoming night will refresh your stale minds and that in the morning, when you are refreshed, you will be literate, spontaneous and a little more 'interesting'. Night, night. Mind the bugs don't bite. Your Lord, Erastus T. Piggott.
Lets just hope you forget to come back

Kerry, Home says...
8:09pm Thu 17 Jan 08

Sammmm. wrote:
A MUM wrote:
Sammmm wrote:
A MUM wrote: What aloud of crap! You say He was a nice boy, your all trying to came across like your nice boys (bullsh*t) in the video one of you say…your son comes home about half 12 yeah with a black eye yeah, what was he doing out that late, why did you let him out that late, WELL let me tell you, my sons is 18, he went to the fun fair in damson park with he’s girlfriend of 2 years, he got jumped by about 12 mugs for no reason at all, that was around 8 o’clock in the evening, did he ask for that? NO he didn’t, was in in a gang? NO he wasn’t, then we had a van load of mugs looking for him, they was driving pass my house, the oldest one in the back of the van was 28 years old ha ha ha BIG MEN! I think NOT. My son should be able to go where he likes and at what time he likes and be safe. Then he got robed of he’s phone by 8 black mugs, he was out walking our dog, they followed him into a shop and tried to beat him over the head with glass jars they picked up from the counter in the shop, did he ask for that too? NO HE NEVER! My son left school last year, in he’s exams he’s got Es & Fs but I told him it don’t matter you tried your best, and as long as my son gives me he’s best im happy, I told him DON’T BE THE DOSSER SITING ON THE STREET CONER WITH A CAN OF BEER IN YOUR HEAD, .BE THE ONE DRIVING PASS IN A NICE CAR THAT YOU WORKED HARD FOR, he as always remembered me saying that to him. He got a job as soon as he left school and is doing well. SO IF HE CAN DO IT WITH EXAM RESULTS LIKE THAT, THAN YOU ALL CAN, GET OFF YOUR BACKSIDE AND DO SOMETHING WITH YOUR LIFES!
You are saying about you son getting mugged and that at danson fair and getting mugged by \"black mugs\" but you are saying it as if you are having ago at these boys?? Was it them though? No! And listen to what they said about they are all in college! DOING SOMETHING WITH THEIR LIVES!
Ivs is a gang is it not? YES and all these gangs are the same, they all walk about trying to find an easy target to kick the sh*t out of just for fun NICE BOYS THOUGH AINT THAY? And are you telling me that ivs as NEVER jumped someone lol don’t make me laugh ha ha ha
Did I say it wasn't a gang>? Ermm No! Learn to read what people write before you comment back! Idiot
So where did she say it was ivs???? So get off your high horse IDIOT! READ BEFORE YOU COMMENT! DON’T READ BETWEEN THE LINES… READ WHAT THE LADY WROTE!

mum kent, says...
8:35pm Thu 17 Jan 08

Lord Erastus T. Piggott wrote:
Oh well, people of no imagination. It is time for me to repast. But for a few, you have consistently proved that you are lower on the food chain than I. I bid you all goodnight and hope that the forthcoming night will refresh your stale minds and that in the morning, when you are refreshed, you will be literate, spontaneous and a little more 'interesting'. Night, night. Mind the bugs don't bite. Your Lord, Erastus T. Piggott.
make sure your back tomorrow,love your comments high light of my day.people just cant keep up thats why they getting angry.night

HENRY, SIDCUP says...
10:16pm Thu 17 Jan 08

h - I GOT RESPECT FOR YOUS MAN X

HENRY, SE10 says...
10:34pm Thu 17 Jan 08

IVS ARE DONUTS DAT TRY BEATIN UP LIL KREWS DAT CNT FIGHT AND DA FAT WHITE CHUBBY BOY IS BRUTAL HES A RILL WANNA BE BADMAN WITH GRUNGER HAIRR HAAAA x LOVE TOMMY

average person bexleyheath, bexleyheath says...
10:38pm Thu 17 Jan 08

If IVS do not go to Erith then why was Fraidon there? He must of known he was in the 'wrong place at the wrong time' and sadly the result with his death.
Bashir - am glad people have not gone overboard with your comments, you are obviously commenting to anger people but it has back fired hasn't it!
Lets just hope you gang members take note and move on to a better way of life. You will be better people if you do.

average person bexleyheath, bexleyheath says...
11:17pm Thu 17 Jan 08

Glad the IVS (idiots verses scum) have not replied. Suppose you are all tucked up in bed ready for college in the morning and not out on the street intimidating people. Well done.

E Piggott, The Kitchen says...
11:45pm Thu 17 Jan 08

Just up for a glass of milk and a tinkle.

Thanks for your kind words, mum.

I will be back tomorrow to give you all further lessons.

Your Lord, Sir Erastus T. Piggott.

Sarah Cullen, SWanley Village says...
7:41am Fri 18 Jan 08

E Piggott wrote:
Just up for a glass of milk and a tinkle.

Thanks for your kind words, mum.

I will be back tomorrow to give you all further lessons.

Your Lord, Sir Erastus T. Piggott.
This creep got up in the night for a glass of milk and is SO SAD that he needed to turn his PC on and visit this forum!

Get a life!

Your Lord, Sir Erastus Theobald Piggott, The Breakfast Room says...
8:09am Fri 18 Jan 08

Dear Average Person.

You come across as rather less than average, I am sorry to say.

Your Lord, Erastus Theobald Piggott, The Bathroom says...
8:50am Fri 18 Jan 08

Also, Mr Below Average Person, the boy's name was Faridon, not Fraidon.


boot camp, Bexley says...
9:26am Fri 18 Jan 08

Stick them in boot camp. That way they will not be a threat to society and hopefully come out changed people.

Erastus, The Conservatory says...
9:52am Fri 18 Jan 08

I thought it was about time the capital letters made an appearance.

I honestly believe these characters have not got a brain cell between them.

Me, Here says...
11:01am Fri 18 Jan 08

Whats the plan for today M'Lord? May i suggest a light brunch in under the Gazebo? Tea, crumpets and perhaps a cucumber sandwich (de-crusted and cut into small triangles, just how you like it)

Sir Erastus, The Dressing Room says...
11:16am Fri 18 Jan 08

Indeed, Mr Me, that is such a splendid idea.

I hope you will join me in my repast. Unfortunately, Mrs Piggott will be at her chiropodist's having her corns attended to. She will be so disappointed that she missed you.

Walk round the back way when you get here. I will leave the back door open.

Sir Erastus, The Drawing Room says...
11:21am Fri 18 Jan 08

Dear Mr Me.

I am still getting used to this knighthood business and inadvertantly wrote 'Mrs Piggott' when it is of course 'Lady Piggott'.

My apologies to yourself and my wife.

me, home says...
11:22am Fri 18 Jan 08

i like the way every asumes ra r racist i no ra very well im not a member of them but i do no racist means i dont like any1 that is not from ur culture so if RA r racist why do they have black members. RA r alot of things but racist is NOT 1 of them

Anita, Dartford says...
11:51am Fri 18 Jan 08

What I want to know is where are the mothers and fathers of these "little angels" I have a 17 year old and if I saw him on the front of the Newsshopper posing as part of a gang I would be ashamed do they not know where they go or if they are in a gang or do they not care.

Barbie, Dartford says...
11:51am Fri 18 Jan 08

I think everyone is forgetting that someone has died here. And SOME people on here are arguing about grammar..which saddens me.

RIP X

Sir Erastus, The Classroom says...
11:53am Fri 18 Jan 08

Mmm. Next time, try to write English instead of that load of absolute rubbish.

Sir Erastus, The Office says...
11:57am Fri 18 Jan 08

On the contrary, Barbie Doll. No one has forgotten he died, it's just that there is not a lot of sympathy because he was a very unpleasant individual.

anita, Dartford says...
11:58am Fri 18 Jan 08

Dear me at Home

Then why was my mixed raced son chased by the RA in Bexleyheath Broadway all the time they were shouting we are the RA - oh yeah forgot he was on his own!

Derek, Welling says...
12:03pm Fri 18 Jan 08

Dear Barbie (says it all really)No we haven't forgot that someone died but if he didn't lead the life he did he wouldn't of got himself in that situation.He WAS a scumbag and there are lots of poor kids out there that can vouch for that and what he did to them. Perhaps if you had a child that had been approached by this scum bag you would think differently.

Vicky, Darford says...
12:24pm Fri 18 Jan 08

Excuse me, just because she put her name as 'Barbie' doesn't mean a thing. Maybe she doesn't want to leave her real name, which is her decision entirely not yours! :) Everyone has trouble with other people, it's life. How do you know she doesn't have a kid? She might have brothers and sisters but you don't know do you so hush your gums. :)

Barbie =], Dartford says...
12:30pm Fri 18 Jan 08

'Derek' says it all really. Would you like a crumpet.

'Sir Erastus' why do you think so highly of your self. I have been looking at your comments and really your very sad, you are on here 24/7, just shows your probably on the dole. =] and rinsing my tax money.

Derek, Welling says...
12:31pm Fri 18 Jan 08

Dear Vicky
If she has a child or brothers and sisters then I feel sorry for them. Sticking up for a lowlife scumbag thats no role model


Sir Erastus, Church says...
12:34pm Fri 18 Jan 08

Vicky, I think you should have directed those thoughts towards Derek.

Get it right next time.

And Barbie: I bet you wear lots of gold jewellry and shop at Primark, don't you? Buy all your food at Iceland?

Thought so.

Vicky, Dartford says...
12:34pm Fri 18 Jan 08

Derek,For all you know she could be a good mother or sister don't prejudge anyone you don't know her. She is just voicing her opinion like everybody else on here.
P.s Derek is my step grandad's name

Vicky, Dartford says...
12:38pm Fri 18 Jan 08

Sir Erastus, that message was for both of you after you called her 'Barbie Doll' ;l, does it matter that much if she did shop in Primark or brought food from Iceland? No not really. A Shops a shop and to be honest it doesn't matter really does it.

Barbie =], Dartford says...
12:38pm Fri 18 Jan 08

Its funny really, just because of my name, i have already been sterotyped. You like to do that don't you =].

I do not have children, and i am certainly not dumb.

Oh and i shop in Sainsburys not Iceland , what you going to do now?
Stalk me, like your stalking me on here you weirdo.



Derek, Welling says...
12:43pm Fri 18 Jan 08

Dear Vicky
I understand where you are coming from but I find it odd being a "normal" and hardworking human being to want to stick up for such a low life piece of ***
I know personally of at least two people this low life has approached and "demanded" their phone and money, he was well known in Bluewater and surrounding areas!!

Me, Here says...
12:45pm Fri 18 Jan 08

Vicky wrote:
Excuse me, just because she put her name as 'Barbie' doesn't mean a thing. Maybe she doesn't want to leave her real name, which is her decision entirely not yours! :) Everyone has trouble with other people, it's life. How do you know she doesn't have a kid? She might have brothers and sisters but you don't know do you so hush your gums. :)
Zip it Pollard.
If you dont like what he said sling your hook.

Anon, Dartford says...
12:48pm Fri 18 Jan 08

This article is unbelievable!
The whole purpose of this gang is to arrange violent confrontation with, often, innocent youths. They terrorise the whole community and like to show their horrific deeds on various websites to cause further trauma and humiliation to the victims. Everything in the interview has been fabricated and I'm astonished that they should go to such lengths to defend themselves when the whole community knows of their evil acts.
It is on their personal websites for all to see and it is they who have racial issues..they are NOT the victims.
I'm amazed that the paper conducted this interview, but at least it has highlighted a growing problem nationwide...the ever increasing gang culture & violence in our communities. I hope this interview backfires on them.

Vicky, Dartford says...
12:50pm Fri 18 Jan 08

Derek,
Fair enough but how would you feel if you knew him?
I work in bluewater and the security there is very high. You don't understand how many CCTV's are up and in place, so if that did happen then it would of been caught on camera!

Vicky, Dartford says...
12:51pm Fri 18 Jan 08

Me wrote:
Vicky wrote: Excuse me, just because she put her name as \'Barbie\' doesn\'t mean a thing. Maybe she doesn\'t want to leave her real name, which is her decision entirely not yours! :) Everyone has trouble with other people, it\'s life. How do you know she doesn\'t have a kid? She might have brothers and sisters but you don\'t know do you so hush your gums. :)
Zip it Pollard. If you dont like what he said sling your hook.
How about no ?
We're all allowed to voice our opinions

Derek, Welling says...
12:55pm Fri 18 Jan 08

Dear Vicky
I don't think there are any cameras in the toilets! This person got followed in there by this piece of **** and like many other "victims" was too scared to report it to anyone because if he had and they saw him again they would have gone after him again so you cant win. Wish I was with him that day it wouldnt of happened

Vicky, Dartford says...
12:59pm Fri 18 Jan 08

Derek,
Firstly you never mentioned that it happened in the toilets you just said 'bluewater'. And secondly how do you know it wouldn't of happened if you was there? Do you think your nuts?
Just go back to work :)

Derek, Welling says...
1:00pm Fri 18 Jan 08

Dear Vicky,
As you already know there are no cameras in the public toilets! He was followed! I wish I had been there they wouldnt of done that if I was there! but you cant be everywhere to protect these young boys against scum bags

SHUTUPDEREK, LONDON says...
1:02pm Fri 18 Jan 08

SHUP

Derek, Welling says...
1:02pm Fri 18 Jan 08

Dear Vicky
Because I am a Police Officer dealing with these type of scum bags everyday and thank you I have been on a night shift dealing with just these type of people

Vicky, Dartford says...
1:03pm Fri 18 Jan 08

Yes but you never mentioned that the inncident happened in the toilets!!! There not scum tyvm
and im going now, im not going to waste my time sitting at a computer screen all day. I have places to go people to see and one more thing, just go back to work.

Derek, Welling says...
1:06pm Fri 18 Jan 08

Dear Vicky,
Thanks for your positive comments. I will go back to work tonight so you and your family can sleep easy at night knowing that PC Plod is looking after you all.

anon, london says...
1:57pm Fri 18 Jan 08

me wrote:
i like the way every asumes ra r racist i no ra very well im not a member of them but i do no racist means i dont like any1 that is not from ur culture so if RA r racist why do they have black members. RA r alot of things but racist is NOT 1 of them
yeah ra do have black people in there, but they are racist towards muslims!

Erastus, The Bar says...
2:20pm Fri 18 Jan 08

Well done, Derek. You held your own against a very silly female.

To anyone who does not like me: I could not care less what you think of me.

I do not like gangs.

I do not like British-born kids talking like low-life out of the Bronx.

I do not like anyone who approves of the above.

I do not like hooligans who post nonsense-language in capital letters on this site and then expect me to respect their attrocious views on life.

Most importantly, I do not like do gooders who defend scummy mini-terrorists.

If come under any of the above categories you may safely assure yourself that I DO NOT LIKE YOU!

PS: I also do not like people who are too lazy to begin sentences with a capital letter and end them with a full stop.

So endeth the Lesson.

Your Lord, Sir Erastus Piggott, The Bar says...
2:34pm Fri 18 Jan 08

Any more scummy Primark customers want to defend these thugs?

Or perhaps you are too busy choosing tonight's 'dinner-in-a-box' from Iceland?

mt, says...
3:22pm Fri 18 Jan 08

Sir Erastus wrote:
Indeed, Mr Me, that is such a splendid idea. I hope you will join me in my repast. Unfortunately, Mrs Piggott will be at her chiropodist's having her corns attended to. She will be so disappointed that she missed you. Walk round the back way when you get here. I will leave the back door open.
told u you was anal. by the way you seem to be on here 24 hours a day. no life, no friends except for "me,here" which i am sure is you. How sad. by the way how do you know primark customers are scummy? been there yourself have you ?.