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8:17pm Tuesday 16th October 2007
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THIS is the first picture of an 18-year-old student who died after being shot in the chest.
Philip Poru was fatally shot as he sat in a silver Ford Fiesta in Long Walk, Plumstead, at around 10pm on Sunday(October 14).
Mr Poru was with another man, aged 18, who was also injured and who is now in hospital in a stable condition.
The men are thought to have been shot by two suspects who approached the vehicle.
A post-mortem examination revealed Mr Poru died of gunshot wounds to the chest.
Police patrols are due to be increased in the area, following the murder.
No arrests have yet been made and police are keeping an open mind as to whether the incident is gang related.
A mother-of-two who lives on the estate, who has asked not to be named due to fear of repercussions, said: "I heard two cars drive up and after a couple of seconds I heard five shots.
"When I looked outside I didn't see anything and it was only when my neighbour told me afterwards I knew there had been a shooting.
"It's very scary because round here it's really quiet. I hope it's a one-off because I've got to bring my children up here."
Another resident, who also asked not to be named, said: "I thought I heard a big bang but assumed it was fireworks because lots get set off around now.
"But there have been about five attacks in the past month and it's generally got worse in the past year.
"Lately, it's got quite rough round here and there have been gangs hanging around."
Another resident said: "I heard about four cracks some time after 9.30pm and it sounded like someone was breaking stuff outside.
"It's lovely and quiet in this area and something like this is pretty unusual."
Ben, Belvedere says...
2:16pm Mon 15 Oct 07
me, woolwich says...
2:41pm Mon 15 Oct 07
Dom, Kidbrooke says...
3:14pm Mon 15 Oct 07
Des, SE says...
3:30pm Mon 15 Oct 07
Me, Bexleyheath says...
3:30pm Mon 15 Oct 07
Simon Bull, web editor, News Shopper says...
4:10pm Mon 15 Oct 07
Ben, Belvedere says...
4:16pm Mon 15 Oct 07
Me wrote:I don't think some of these people being murdered are exactly 'innocent'. They obviously have mixed with people they shouldn't have to get themselves in the situation where they're being murdered. The one in Thamesmead and the Woman in New Cross where innocent victims, but these teenagers being murdered are most likely involved in Drugs and other dodgy dealings.
Dear Mr G.Brown, it's good to see that you have your priorites right. Tax everyone up to the eyelids and turn a blind eye to all the innocent people that are being knifed and shot at the moment. Thanks very much. A citizen of crime ridden London.
Ron, Yorkshire says...
4:47pm Mon 15 Oct 07
Cheryl, Woolwich says...
5:29pm Mon 15 Oct 07
**, Abbeywood says...
6:32pm Mon 15 Oct 07
Mike, Woolwich says...
6:38pm Mon 15 Oct 07
Ben, Belvedere says...
6:43pm Mon 15 Oct 07
Mike, Woolwich says...
6:47pm Mon 15 Oct 07
** wrote:**, dont you see - these people commit minor crime too. The police might stop a 'dodgy looking motor' because the car has got a brakelight out, and you may see it as a 'waste of time' or a 'minor crime' - whats to say thats not the car containing the gun that killed this boy. Im sure if these people are not bothered about killing people they're not going to be too worried about more minor breaches to law and order?
the police in the area do nothing they would rather investigate to the max on the minor crimes as they dont want to get there hands dirty, its only going to get worse. I dread to think what it is going to be like when i eventually have kids, im 19 and i already have 4 friends dead! something needs to be done!
anon, woolwich says...
6:53pm Mon 15 Oct 07
Mike, Woolwich says...
7:07pm Mon 15 Oct 07
to girls age 14 and 16, abbeywood says...
7:44pm Mon 15 Oct 07
Darren, Erith says...
8:08pm Mon 15 Oct 07
clarks, says...
8:28pm Mon 15 Oct 07
Darren, Erith says...
9:05pm Mon 15 Oct 07
Ben, Belvedere says...
9:17pm Mon 15 Oct 07
anon, kale rd says...
10:10pm Mon 15 Oct 07
INFO, woolwich says...
10:11pm Mon 15 Oct 07
Darren, Erith says...
10:23pm Mon 15 Oct 07
Anon, Woolwich says...
11:06pm Mon 15 Oct 07
INFO wrote:Any how do you know all this ? The mind boggles !
the person killed was not from the area and the killers are not local people or local gang. one more thing, the person killed has ...... before. RIP
lorrie, Abbey wood, says...
11:20pm Mon 15 Oct 07
carrie, bromley says...
11:25pm Mon 15 Oct 07
Ben, Belvedere says...
11:31pm Mon 15 Oct 07
Anon wrote:It was quoted on London Tonight that the crime has something to do with gangs from Thamesmead (T-Block) and Charlton (Cherry Orchard) having fueds with a gang from Woolwich (Woolwich boys). Whether or not this is the truth is another matter.
INFO wrote:Any how do you know all this ? The mind boggles !
the person killed was not from the area and the killers are not local people or local gang. one more thing, the person killed has ...... before. RIP
Ben, Belvedere says...
11:34pm Mon 15 Oct 07
Darren, Erith says...
11:36pm Mon 15 Oct 07
lorrie, Abbey wood wrote:And your point is what Lorrie ? Your sons say to you that they got mugged by two black guys. I hope they told the police and its being investigated.
Ive got two sons that have been mugged by knife point. one last month in Godstow Road Abbey Wood and one today at the Abbey Ruins and both times its been black youths.
carrie, bromley says...
11:39pm Mon 15 Oct 07
Darren, Erith says...
11:54pm Mon 15 Oct 07
Ben, Belvedere says...
12:28am Tue 16 Oct 07
carrie wrote:I think your right, but it's almost definately gang related - I mean people usually have these guns to protect themselves against other gangs or dispose of rival members in what can almost be called assisination in cases like this. There is alot of gang activity in Woolwich so it wouldn't surprise me in the least if it had something to do with any of the known gangs.
ben.a resident said there had been trouble in the past from thamesmead charlton and woolwich but they didn't say they had anything to do with this.
carrie, 664-332 says...
12:50am Tue 16 Oct 07
ANON, ANON says...
12:51am Tue 16 Oct 07
Des wrote:WHAT ARE YOU ON ABOUT THE ONE AT KALE ROAD IS ON HERE WITH 3 DIFFERENT STORIES AND IT AS BEEN ALL OVER THE NEWS ALL WEEKEND
Worrying thing is The stabbing in Ampleforth Rd last week never made the headlines, strangly and the shooting in Kale Rd Thamesmead last Thursday did not make it on here
Darren, Erith says...
3:29am Tue 16 Oct 07
Andy, Kent says...
7:23am Tue 16 Oct 07
Shereen, West Thamesmead says...
7:55am Tue 16 Oct 07
anon wrote:I'm not involved in crime, nor ever have been - and would not object to being stop and searched. How are the police supposed to identify if you are innocent before requesting to stop and search - get you to fill in a form??
The police should stop picking on innocent people when it comes to stop and searches. They should concerntrate on the people carrying guns and knives, they know who these people are but are too scared to search them. They should be given more power and the people carrying the weapons should get 5 years straight away. Woolwich and plumstead might be getting regenerated but it wont get rid of the scum.
Julie, West Thamesmead says...
8:06am Tue 16 Oct 07
Darren wrote:Lets not make this a situation where people are scared to identify the person/s race when describing criminals - the Press often use the terms white, Irish, Scottish, Welsh and that is not questioned.
lorrie, Abbey wood wrote: Ive got two sons that have been mugged by knife point. one last month in Godstow Road Abbey Wood and one today at the Abbey Ruins and both times its been black youths.And your point is what Lorrie ? Your sons say to you that they got mugged by two black guys. I hope they told the police and its being investigated. A lot of blame is put upon black youths innocent or not, its known in Abbey Wood , Belvedere , Erith , Slade Green to blame black people for their crimes.
Me, Here says...
8:47am Tue 16 Oct 07
Anon, uk says...
8:48am Tue 16 Oct 07
ANON, plumstead says...
9:09am Tue 16 Oct 07
Des, SE says...
9:43am Tue 16 Oct 07
Simon Bull, web editor wrote:It happened last Weds 10th late night or Thurs 11th early hours
Des, Was the Kale Rd incident a stabbing rather than a shooting? If so we've reported on that one quite extensively over the past few days. The other incident you mentioned isn't immediately familiar to me but then if it was a serious stabbing and was one we were told about by the police then I'm sure we would have done something. If you can give me a few more details on that one, I can look into it.
Reader, Bexley says...
9:56am Tue 16 Oct 07
INFO wrote:If this information is right why does the person who wrote this contact the police ???????????
the person killed was not from the area and the killers are not local people or local gang. one more thing, the person killed has ...... before. RIP
TES, ERITH says...
10:45am Tue 16 Oct 07
anon, anon says...
10:51am Tue 16 Oct 07
anon wrote:the gangs rule the bouroughs not the police the police are scared off them this will only get worse the police need to do more
The police should stop picking on innocent people when it comes to stop and searches. They should concerntrate on the people carrying guns and knives, they know who these people are but are too scared to search them. They should be given more power and the people carrying the weapons should get 5 years straight away. Woolwich and plumstead might be getting regenerated but it wont get rid of the scum.
Mike, Woolwich says...
11:13am Tue 16 Oct 07
anon, woolwich says...
11:32am Tue 16 Oct 07
Mike wrote:wot is the point of helping the police they are SCARED off the gangs
Darren, I think you need to desperately get off the racial bandwagon before someone gets hurt. I think the point with this incident is that it was, according to what I have read from various sources a black on black crime. Black on black crime happens as does any other type of crime. It just tends to be more violent and have more severe consiquences. If that wasn\'t the case do you think the Met would set up the whole trident thing? I\'ve every confidence that the met wouldnt waste the hundreds and thousands of pounds that must fund the scheme just to be institutionally racist. Darren, the point is Steven Lawrence was a long time ago now. Lessons have been learn\'t and society is changing. What makes you think that the people of Kent (a less ethnically diverse populus) are going to be any less \'institutionally racist\' than the Met. If anything, they could be more. Lets let the race card lie and just concentrate on finding out who did this and making it more difficult for the criminals to operate. If this is another black on black gang incident, lets support the police in targeting these gangs and giving them any info we might have.
Adam, Eltham says...
11:41am Tue 16 Oct 07
H, Thamesmead says...
11:58am Tue 16 Oct 07
Des wrote:Yeah, the murder last Thursday did make it on here amongst the many others that have.
Worrying thing is The stabbing in Ampleforth Rd last week never made the headlines, strangly and the shooting in Kale Rd Thamesmead last Thursday did not make it on here
anon, LONDON says...
12:04pm Tue 16 Oct 07
Ben wrote:Sorry Ben,
Me wrote: Dear Mr G.Brown, it\'s good to see that you have your priorites right. Tax everyone up to the eyelids and turn a blind eye to all the innocent people that are being knifed and shot at the moment. Thanks very much. A citizen of crime ridden London.I don\'t think some of these people being murdered are exactly \'innocent\'. They obviously have mixed with people they shouldn\'t have to get themselves in the situation where they\'re being murdered. The one in Thamesmead and the Woman in New Cross where innocent victims, but these teenagers being murdered are most likely involved in Drugs and other dodgy dealings.
Ben, Belvedere says...
12:36pm Tue 16 Oct 07
Stuart, Bexleyheath says...
1:09pm Tue 16 Oct 07
Harvey, says...
1:33pm Tue 16 Oct 07
Tasha, welling says...
1:36pm Tue 16 Oct 07
Princess, London says...
1:53pm Tue 16 Oct 07
Harry, SE2 says...
2:10pm Tue 16 Oct 07
Tasha wrote:You hit the nail on the head.
This place is becoming more disgraceful by the day, and i am starting to become embarressed to say that i am from england. I grew up in abbeywood, a town that many people loved to live in. now it is the complete opposite and that is why me and my family moved out. i cannot believe how much the area has changed in recent years!
Am i the only one who thinks that there may be a connection between the rise in immigration and the rise in crime? i am not saying that this is the reason but many members of these so called 'gangs' originate, or their family originate from more violent countries. could it be that they are bringing this violence with them as this is the type of environment that they know? It seems that youths pick up on this behaviour and start to follow it as they think it will earn them respect. as i say, i am not implying that this is the cause so i don't want people to twist my words and make out that i am being racist because that is not what i am saying at all. I just can't help but think there may be a connection and the government needs to do something about it so we can all live in a town that we are not scared to walk around in!!!
oldguy, Wisconsin USA says...
2:20pm Tue 16 Oct 07
Harvey, says...
2:23pm Tue 16 Oct 07
Anon, London says...
2:32pm Tue 16 Oct 07
Harvey wrote:This comment made me laugh, why? Because ive seen personally parents struglle thorugh 2 keep their kids on the right path, encourage them to do the right thing. But to no avial, why becasue of the peer groups and enviornment, if you put a person in a jungle they will adapt with that enviornement to survive! By the government allowing this circle of deprevation to contiune, by allowing guns on our street its going to contiune. Do u remeber the days when people would beat eachother up, with FISTS? I do. Its changed in the space of 3-4years. how? Did the government just manage to miss the one arsenal shipment into the country?? NO PEOPLE. Lets think about it, guns didnt just appear out of no where.
I\'m also sick of people making excuses for crimes and using every possible easy target to blame for any trouble, rather than the people involved themselves. I\'m tired of people saying that just because kids come from a poor or supposedly deprived background, there is some sort of justification for them getting involved in crime. It\'s utter rubbish. Getting involved in crime is a sign of weakness and stupidity, and has nothing whatsoever to do with race or where a person grew up. So what if places like Peckham, Lewisham or Thamesmead are a bit rough, it does not automatically follow that kids will end up on drugs or leading a life of crime as a wannabe gangster. It is about upbringing, knowing right from wrong and most of all it is about making the right personal choices. There can be no excuses or no-one / nothing to blame for being involved in gangs and crime other than suffering from a lack of brain cells or not having the backbone to stay away from trouble.
Darren, Erith says...
2:43pm Tue 16 Oct 07
L, says...
2:47pm Tue 16 Oct 07
Anon, London says...
2:50pm Tue 16 Oct 07
Anon wrote:I agree fully with this comment.
Harvey wrote: I\\\'m also sick of people making excuses for crimes and using every possible easy target to blame for any trouble, rather than the people involved themselves. I\\\'m tired of people saying that just because kids come from a poor or supposedly deprived background, there is some sort of justification for them getting involved in crime. It\\\'s utter rubbish. Getting involved in crime is a sign of weakness and stupidity, and has nothing whatsoever to do with race or where a person grew up. So what if places like Peckham, Lewisham or Thamesmead are a bit rough, it does not automatically follow that kids will end up on drugs or leading a life of crime as a wannabe gangster. It is about upbringing, knowing right from wrong and most of all it is about making the right personal choices. There can be no excuses or no-one / nothing to blame for being involved in gangs and crime other than suffering from a lack of brain cells or not having the backbone to stay away from trouble.This comment made me laugh, why? Because ive seen personally parents struglle thorugh 2 keep their kids on the right path, encourage them to do the right thing. But to no avial, why becasue of the peer groups and enviornment, if you put a person in a jungle they will adapt with that enviornement to survive! By the government allowing this circle of deprevation to contiune, by allowing guns on our street its going to contiune. Do u remeber the days when people would beat eachother up, with FISTS? I do. Its changed in the space of 3-4years. how? Did the government just manage to miss the one arsenal shipment into the country?? NO PEOPLE. Lets think about it, guns didnt just appear out of no where. Comments like just cos ur from peckham etc....doesnt mean u should be a wannabe gangsta is crap. There not wannabe gangstats it what they see and breathe everyday. It\'s easy to say i packed up and moved. how did u do that!!?!? U HAD MONEY, WE DONT! Silly people, saying silly things.
Harvey, says...
3:02pm Tue 16 Oct 07
Anon wrote:Yawn yawn yawn yawn and yawn. Yet more excuses.
Harvey wrote: I\'m also sick of people making excuses for crimes and using every possible easy target to blame for any trouble, rather than the people involved themselves. I\'m tired of people saying that just because kids come from a poor or supposedly deprived background, there is some sort of justification for them getting involved in crime. It\'s utter rubbish. Getting involved in crime is a sign of weakness and stupidity, and has nothing whatsoever to do with race or where a person grew up. So what if places like Peckham, Lewisham or Thamesmead are a bit rough, it does not automatically follow that kids will end up on drugs or leading a life of crime as a wannabe gangster. It is about upbringing, knowing right from wrong and most of all it is about making the right personal choices. There can be no excuses or no-one / nothing to blame for being involved in gangs and crime other than suffering from a lack of brain cells or not having the backbone to stay away from trouble.This comment made me laugh, why? Because ive seen personally parents struglle thorugh 2 keep their kids on the right path, encourage them to do the right thing. But to no avial, why becasue of the peer groups and enviornment, if you put a person in a jungle they will adapt with that enviornement to survive! By the government allowing this circle of deprevation to contiune, by allowing guns on our street its going to contiune. Do u remeber the days when people would beat eachother up, with FISTS? I do. Its changed in the space of 3-4years. how? Did the government just manage to miss the one arsenal shipment into the country?? NO PEOPLE. Lets think about it, guns didnt just appear out of no where. Comments like just cos ur from peckham etc....doesnt mean u should be a wannabe gangsta is crap. There not wannabe gangstats it what they see and breathe everyday. It's easy to say i packed up and moved. how did u do that!!?!? U HAD MONEY, WE DONT! Silly people, saying silly things.
Darren, Erith says...
3:03pm Tue 16 Oct 07
Anon wrote:Well said!
Anon wrote:I agree fully with this comment. Some of the above comments have basically said that black people are to blame for the majority if not all gun crime, muggings etc... These people obviosuly have thought about it....NOT! People need to look deeper than the surface. ill admit maybe the majority of gun crimes are commited by black people. Why? Because they are running drugs for who? yes White people, you think that balck people are on top of the drug food chain! NO. You blame the Gov for failing schools, poor hospitals. Why not blame the hospital cleaners for MRSA obviosuly they are not cleaning the hospitals properly??! But we don\\\'t. why? It\\\'s funny to think that excatly the same thing goes on in crime, white people control the drugs, they control the gun imports, they are the milionaries drug barons who make the black people (who are stupid for doing it ) rund the face value crime that we all see. So please people step out of ur shell, and see the bigger problem.Harvey wrote: I\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\'m also sick of people making excuses for crimes and using every possible easy target to blame for any trouble, rather than the people involved themselves. I\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\'m tired of people saying that just because kids come from a poor or supposedly deprived background, there is some sort of justification for them getting involved in crime. It\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\'s utter rubbish. Getting involved in crime is a sign of weakness and stupidity, and has nothing whatsoever to do with race or where a person grew up. So what if places like Peckham, Lewisham or Thamesmead are a bit rough, it does not automatically follow that kids will end up on drugs or leading a life of crime as a wannabe gangster. It is about upbringing, knowing right from wrong and most of all it is about making the right personal choices. There can be no excuses or no-one / nothing to blame for being involved in gangs and crime other than suffering from a lack of brain cells or not having the backbone to stay away from trouble.This comment made me laugh, why? Because ive seen personally parents struglle thorugh 2 keep their kids on the right path, encourage them to do the right thing. But to no avial, why becasue of the peer groups and enviornment, if you put a person in a jungle they will adapt with that enviornement to survive! By the government allowing this circle of deprevation to contiune, by allowing guns on our street its going to contiune. Do u remeber the days when people would beat eachother up, with FISTS? I do. Its changed in the space of 3-4years. how? Did the government just manage to miss the one arsenal shipment into the country?? NO PEOPLE. Lets think about it, guns didnt just appear out of no where. Comments like just cos ur from peckham etc....doesnt mean u should be a wannabe gangsta is crap. There not wannabe gangstats it what they see and breathe everyday. It\\\\\\\'s easy to say i packed up and moved. how did u do that!!?!? U HAD MONEY, WE DONT! Silly people, saying silly things.
L, says...
3:09pm Tue 16 Oct 07
l, says...
3:19pm Tue 16 Oct 07
Anon, London says...
3:23pm Tue 16 Oct 07
Harvey wrote:Harvey I appreciate you taking time to comment on this issue.
Anon wrote:Yawn yawn yawn yawn and yawn. Yet more excuses. Poor them, they have no money. Poor them, they live in a \\\'jungle\\\'. (What a joke - if you saw the conditions kids on some other cities around the world live in, you would know how pathetic saying south London is a \\\'jungle\\\' really is) Poor them, it\\\'s not their fault - the government is to blame for everything. Boring. I\\\'m sick of people like you saying these murdering kids are only doing it because it\\\'s all they know or it\\\'s the only way they know how to behave. Utter tosh. I was born in Woolwich and grew up in Thamesmead, and I haven\\\'t grown up to be a murdering thug. If it was the \\\'environment\\\' to blame then everyone who grows up around here would grow up into criminals. But not everyone does. The ones who do turn to violence and drugs do so because of poor choices they make and because of poor parenting, by people like you who prefer to blame everyone and everything else for their own and their kids\\\' failings.Harvey wrote: I\\\\\\\'m also sick of people making excuses for crimes and using every possible easy target to blame for any trouble, rather than the people involved themselves. I\\\\\\\'m tired of people saying that just because kids come from a poor or supposedly deprived background, there is some sort of justification for them getting involved in crime. It\\\\\\\'s utter rubbish. Getting involved in crime is a sign of weakness and stupidity, and has nothing whatsoever to do with race or where a person grew up. So what if places like Peckham, Lewisham or Thamesmead are a bit rough, it does not automatically follow that kids will end up on drugs or leading a life of crime as a wannabe gangster. It is about upbringing, knowing right from wrong and most of all it is about making the right personal choices. There can be no excuses or no-one / nothing to blame for being involved in gangs and crime other than suffering from a lack of brain cells or not having the backbone to stay away from trouble.This comment made me laugh, why? Because ive seen personally parents struglle thorugh 2 keep their kids on the right path, encourage them to do the right thing. But to no avial, why becasue of the peer groups and enviornment, if you put a person in a jungle they will adapt with that enviornement to survive! By the government allowing this circle of deprevation to contiune, by allowing guns on our street its going to contiune. Do u remeber the days when people would beat eachother up, with FISTS? I do. Its changed in the space of 3-4years. how? Did the government just manage to miss the one arsenal shipment into the country?? NO PEOPLE. Lets think about it, guns didnt just appear out of no where. Comments like just cos ur from peckham etc....doesnt mean u should be a wannabe gangsta is crap. There not wannabe gangstats it what they see and breathe everyday. It\\\'s easy to say i packed up and moved. how did u do that!!?!? U HAD MONEY, WE DONT! Silly people, saying silly things.
jacqui, orpington says...
3:24pm Tue 16 Oct 07
Anon, London says...
3:31pm Tue 16 Oct 07
l wrote:Very silly comment.
Above... White people control drugs guns etc and black people run it for them????? So black people are being told what to do by white people and that\'s why the shoot each other???? AARRGGHH what utter BS! I have never heard so much crap! Do realise how big the African community is in Thamesmead?? do realise how much crime they have brought with them???? White people are not behind their DRUGS/FRAUD/PEOPLE TRAFFICING trust me!!!! Don\'t be so NAIVE!! Maybe that kind of rubbish was true 10 - 15 years ago, but they run they\'re own sh*t now!
L, says...
4:01pm Tue 16 Oct 07
Harvey, says...
4:02pm Tue 16 Oct 07
Anon, London says...
4:08pm Tue 16 Oct 07
L wrote:Oh my friend. Why do you contiune to misread and misquote.
Anon - Why is my comment sillier than yours? I\'m not too Naive to realise that not all crime comes from white people (as you pretty much suggested), I believe that there are alot cultures/races/commu nities dishing out their fair share of crime - not just whiet people!! (I was actually using the situation in Thamesmead as an example of organised crime that has not originated from WHITE people as you have suggested). Do you live in Thamesmead? If you do, you would know what I mean by African community (which is what I said, not that all black people are african maybe you should read properly) If you are talking about asking people things - why don\'t you run along and ask about the Met about Thamesmead (African Community). Yes there was crime in Thamesmead and has been for as long as I have lived here (like anywhere else in the world) and yes people from all different races committing crimes, but that has increased tenfold since there was a campaign for African immigrants to move to Thamesmead. P.s. If you are going to accuse me of generalsing then... not all black criminals are YARDIES!! Just like not all African people in Thamesmead aren\'t criminals.
k, abbey wood says...
4:12pm Tue 16 Oct 07
L, says...
4:21pm Tue 16 Oct 07
Darren, Erith says...
4:24pm Tue 16 Oct 07
Tasha, welling says...
4:27pm Tue 16 Oct 07
sarah, ERITH says...
5:11pm Tue 16 Oct 07
Harry wrote:its all very well all of us sitting behind a PC giving our comments and expressing our beef but its about time something was done. yes these immigrants come from grief stricken countries and flee because they fear for their lives. I FEAR FOR MY LIFE WALKING AROUND MY OWN STREETS ....WHO WORRY'S ABOUT ME???? These immigrants have lived a life of violence where guns and knives are part of every day life. and WE yes the BRITISH let them come over here..calling the shots and making our offspring look like the criminals. if and when one of ours is every caught with an offensive weapon it is carried for self defence. i am a normal working class citizen with a comprehensive education, not a snob or vice versa but i tell you what i would not like to be in the shoes of our youth of today. if things do not get sorted out soon and very soon we are all going to fins ourselves in the middle of a civil war.
Tasha wrote: This place is becoming more disgraceful by the day, and i am starting to become embarressed to say that i am from england. I grew up in abbeywood, a town that many people loved to live in. now it is the complete opposite and that is why me and my family moved out. i cannot believe how much the area has changed in recent years! Am i the only one who thinks that there may be a connection between the rise in immigration and the rise in crime? i am not saying that this is the reason but many members of these so called \'gangs\' originate, or their family originate from more violent countries. could it be that they are bringing this violence with them as this is the type of environment that they know? It seems that youths pick up on this behaviour and start to follow it as they think it will earn them respect. as i say, i am not implying that this is the cause so i don\'t want people to twist my words and make out that i am being racist because that is not what i am saying at all. I just can\'t help but think there may be a connection and the government needs to do something about it so we can all live in a town that we are not scared to walk around in!!!You hit the nail on the head. It\'s no coincidence that the influx of immigrants has had an impact on crime in cities like London, especially gang related. Alot of people from countries like \'Somalia\' see violence day in day out over there, then they think it\'s acceptable to bring it into what was a fairly civilised country like England. By all means this is not an attack on people not born here, but some of the people allowed over have no morals and no respect for our own culture and think it\'s acceptable to run riot on our streets.
Des, Se says...
5:16pm Tue 16 Oct 07
chiick frm souf, Pecknarm says...
5:23pm Tue 16 Oct 07
Harvey, says...
5:28pm Tue 16 Oct 07
Harvey, says...
5:32pm Tue 16 Oct 07
anon, says...
6:39pm Tue 16 Oct 07
Jane, Erith says...
6:43pm Tue 16 Oct 07
Taxpayer, Woolwich says...
6:58pm Tue 16 Oct 07
sarah wrote:I couldnt have put it better myself. In years to come people are going to ask how on earth immigration on this level was ever allowed to happen.
Harry wrote:its all very well all of us sitting behind a PC giving our comments and expressing our beef but its about time something was done. yes these immigrants come from grief stricken countries and flee because they fear for their lives. I FEAR FOR MY LIFE WALKING AROUND MY OWN STREETS ....WHO WORRY\'S ABOUT ME???? These immigrants have lived a life of violence where guns and knives are part of every day life. and WE yes the BRITISH let them come over here..calling the shots and making our offspring look like the criminals. if and when one of ours is every caught with an offensive weapon it is carried for self defence. i am a normal working class citizen with a comprehensive education, not a snob or vice versa but i tell you what i would not like to be in the shoes of our youth of today. if things do not get sorted out soon and very soon we are all going to fins ourselves in the middle of a civil war.Tasha wrote: This place is becoming more disgraceful by the day, and i am starting to become embarressed to say that i am from england. I grew up in abbeywood, a town that many people loved to live in. now it is the complete opposite and that is why me and my family moved out. i cannot believe how much the area has changed in recent years! Am i the only one who thinks that there may be a connection between the rise in immigration and the rise in crime? i am not saying that this is the reason but many members of these so called \\\'gangs\\\' originate, or their family originate from more violent countries. could it be that they are bringing this violence with them as this is the type of environment that they know? It seems that youths pick up on this behaviour and start to follow it as they think it will earn them respect. as i say, i am not implying that this is the cause so i don\\\'t want people to twist my words and make out that i am being racist because that is not what i am saying at all. I just can\\\'t help but think there may be a connection and the government needs to do something about it so we can all live in a town that we are not scared to walk around in!!!You hit the nail on the head. It\\\'s no coincidence that the influx of immigrants has had an impact on crime in cities like London, especially gang related. Alot of people from countries like \\\'Somalia\\\' see violence day in day out over there, then they think it\\\'s acceptable to bring it into what was a fairly civilised country like England. By all means this is not an attack on people not born here, but some of the people allowed over have no morals and no respect for our own culture and think it\\\'s acceptable to run riot on our streets.
Mrs Jinodu, london says...
7:49pm Tue 16 Oct 07
k, abbey wood says...
8:15pm Tue 16 Oct 07
Concerned well wisher, says...
8:16pm Tue 16 Oct 07
Anon, London says...
9:22pm Tue 16 Oct 07
guiz, milan (italy) says...
9:48pm Tue 16 Oct 07
Anon wrote:Exactly.
Only cowards carry guns and join gangs because there too scared to start trouble alone, Gangs are like a herd of sheep, The game follow my leader springs to mind. Im glad i left that all behind at nursery school lol
Janet, eltham says...
10:03pm Tue 16 Oct 07
INFO, WOOLWICH says...
10:21pm Tue 16 Oct 07
RIP, Woolwich Common says...
10:59pm Tue 16 Oct 07
Ben wrote:Do you even know whatyour saying? do you even know this guy?,i was gud friends with phillip, such a kul guy! went cllege with him and he had just started uni .. ''u say according to london tonight'' phillip was from peckham had nuffin to do with all this pathetic gang war u seem to know so much about! Phillip was INNOCENT!
According to London Tonight this incident is something to do with gang fueds between gangs from Charlton, Thamesmead and Woolwich so th people envolved are deffinately not INNCOCENT.
RIP, says...
11:05pm Tue 16 Oct 07
Ben wrote:Do you know Phillip..No! Plz dont assume u do, claiming he is not innocent... like you know him.
Me wrote: Dear Mr G.Brown, it\'s good to see that you have your priorites right. Tax everyone up to the eyelids and turn a blind eye to all the innocent people that are being knifed and shot at the moment. Thanks very much. A citizen of crime ridden London.I don\'t think some of these people being murdered are exactly \'innocent\'. They obviously have mixed with people they shouldn\'t have to get themselves in the situation where they\'re being murdered. The one in Thamesmead and the Woman in New Cross where innocent victims, but these teenagers being murdered are most likely involved in Drugs and other dodgy dealings.
Gone 2 Soon..Rest in Peace, Woolwich says...
11:27pm Tue 16 Oct 07
Ben wrote:Phillip was a kul and humble boy.. ive read all the comments and im surprised on how well you think you all know him!.. claiming he must have been in a gang, had dodgy dealing and alla that..stereotypes made just because he is a black teen, its distgusting! He was an ambitous, clever funny guy who had just started uni, went college with him and he helped me with my gun and knife crime coursework in which he was very much anti guns and knifes. For those who assume about phillip ... Dont!, u dont know him! Ne 1 dat was lucky enough 2 know him will know dat he was innocent, wrong place wrong time!
According to London Tonight this incident is something to do with gang fueds between gangs from Charlton, Thamesmead and Woolwich so th people envolved are deffinately not INNCOCENT.
kate, welling says...
4:15am Wed 17 Oct 07
Ben, Belvedere says...
8:31am Wed 17 Oct 07
Gone 2 Soon..Rest in Peace wrote:Since you know him in person, you know more then I do in regards to who he was and what he did. I wasn't trying to offend you or anyone who knew him, the assumptions made aren't disgusting, they're what 1st comes to mind when you look at the situation - 2 youths sitting in a car on a dodgy estate known for crime and gangs who's shot dead by a cold blooded killer. Yes it could well be mistaken identity or something similar, but people ask these questions because they're interested in what happened in a major incident in their local area. People want answers and solutions to stop this problem within the London area.
Ben wrote:Phillip was a kul and humble boy.. ive read all the comments and im surprised on how well you think you all know him!.. claiming he must have been in a gang, had dodgy dealing and alla that..stereotypes made just because he is a black teen, its distgusting! He was an ambitous, clever funny guy who had just started uni, went college with him and he helped me with my gun and knife crime coursework in which he was very much anti guns and knifes. For those who assume about phillip ... Dont!, u dont know him! Ne 1 dat was lucky enough 2 know him will know dat he was innocent, wrong place wrong time!
According to London Tonight this incident is something to do with gang fueds between gangs from Charlton, Thamesmead and Woolwich so th people envolved are deffinately not INNCOCENT.
Xx Rest in peace, Phillip Xx
lk, sidcup says...
8:36am Wed 17 Oct 07
casey, NA says...
8:49am Wed 17 Oct 07
Ben, Belvedere says...
9:03am Wed 17 Oct 07
lk wrote:Yes I have my say - is this not what the comment section is for you idiot?
ben from belvedere - get a life, every story i go on there you are having your say, arguing with everyone. go get a job and put your energy into it, maybe a pc as you have so many political criminal views....
DD, says...
10:02am Wed 17 Oct 07
chiick frm souf wrote:If he's not involved with gangs or violence why are you stating 'everyone should be on guard because a war between woolwich/plumstead sides and peckham sides has probably started because of this?'
i actually knew philip and he was such a nice humble person. he never started unecessary problems wiv people he was actually tryin 2 do somethin positve with his life...most of da boys dat live in peckham r not doin anyfing wiv dere lives bt philip actually attented university...i know his whole family he has 4 brothers and i know that they are really grievein at the moment so yu ppl dat dnt kno him dnt **** on dis and say its abvious dat he was doin some sort of dodgy dealing because he wasnt he didnt deserve 2 die does somalians fink dat they run tings dwn in woolwich dats y alot of people do not like dem and dey want 2 hurt dem...all im saying is dat whoever did dis has made a very very big mistake becasue philip was very well known and respected in peckham so dere will be ppl dat want revenge...everyone shud b on guard because a war between woolwich/plumstaed sides and peckham sides has probably started because of dis tragedy RIP Philip Yu'll Neva B 4gotton G_xxx..
ano, se london says...
10:03am Wed 17 Oct 07
Macram, Gillingham,Kent says...
10:15am Wed 17 Oct 07
*, SE London says...
10:41am Wed 17 Oct 07
L, says...
11:08am Wed 17 Oct 07
Macram Ramba, Gillingham says...
11:45am Wed 17 Oct 07
Simon Owoade, West London says...
11:54am Wed 17 Oct 07
Unknown, london says...
11:56am Wed 17 Oct 07
Dom wrote:Yo Phil, we all gonna miss u. U wer loved n i hope u knew dat. Im so sad ur gone coz u dont deserve it, wrong place at wrong time 4 real n u payed da worst price. Phil u gonna b in ery1z memorys n so is ur fam. Each n ery man has shed a tear and it aint gonna stop. 1
Poor lad. RIP. To be honest I have lost count of how many youths lives have been lost this year in London, due to stabbings and shootings. My sister is 14 and my cousin is 6, and I don\\\'t want them growing up with this violence all around them. It has got to stop NOW!
Dessie, SE London says...
1:14pm Wed 17 Oct 07
Bev, London says...
1:21pm Wed 17 Oct 07
Ben wrote:Ben needs to be banned from writing vast amounts of hot air about what he knows little about. If he truly got this information from London tonight, then it is misinformation. If it is a gang related incident, then Philip was from none of the mentioned areas... I think this makes him innocent enough for people to pitty his loss. Not everyone who is caught up or whose life is taken is actually directly linked to gangs. People should get their facts straight, particular the news providers. Ben, ignorance is not your fault. I only pray Philips poor mum doesn't read your defirmation of her late son's character through your narrow minded views.
According to London Tonight this incident is something to do with gang fueds between gangs from Charlton, Thamesmead and Woolwich so th people envolved are deffinately not INNCOCENT.
Bexley Mum, Bexley says...
1:32pm Wed 17 Oct 07
Passer by, says...
1:32pm Wed 17 Oct 07
Bev wrote:It's been said the murderer was of Somalian decent of which the gangs in Woowlich predominantly are. It was also said on the news there has been trouble on that estate from gangs in the area mentioned.
Ben wrote:Ben needs to be banned from writing vast amounts of hot air about what he knows little about. If he truly got this information from London tonight, then it is misinformation. If it is a gang related incident, then Philip was from none of the mentioned areas... I think this makes him innocent enough for people to pitty his loss. Not everyone who is caught up or whose life is taken is actually directly linked to gangs. People should get their facts straight, particular the news providers. Ben, ignorance is not your fault. I only pray Philips poor mum doesn't read your defirmation of her late son's character through your narrow minded views.
According to London Tonight this incident is something to do with gang fueds between gangs from Charlton, Thamesmead and Woolwich so th people envolved are deffinately not INNCOCENT.
Bev, London says...
1:39pm Wed 17 Oct 07
DD wrote:Philip was not involved in gangs, but every other teen is a gang memeber these days. I would just like to say on behalf of Phil and his family and as a memeber of this family that WE DO NOT WANT NO STREET JUSTICE. REVENGE IS GOD'S!!! The police need to do what they can to resolve this matter. I don't think chiick frm souf new Phil and his peeps as well as she thinks. Honour Philips humble manner by stopping this madness now. THERE WILL BE NO WAR IN PHILIPS NAME. LET HIM R.I.P
chiick frm souf wrote: i actually knew philip and he was such a nice humble person. he never started unecessary problems wiv people he was actually tryin 2 do somethin positve with his life...most of da boys dat live in peckham r not doin anyfing wiv dere lives bt philip actually attented university...i know his whole family he has 4 brothers and i know that they are really grievein at the moment so yu ppl dat dnt kno him dnt **** on dis and say its abvious dat he was doin some sort of dodgy dealing because he wasnt he didnt deserve 2 die does somalians fink dat they run tings dwn in woolwich dats y alot of people do not like dem and dey want 2 hurt dem...all im saying is dat whoever did dis has made a very very big mistake becasue philip was very well known and respected in peckham so dere will be ppl dat want revenge...everyone shud b on guard because a war between woolwich/plumstaed sides and peckham sides has probably started because of dis tragedy RIP Philip Yu\'ll Neva B 4gotton G_xxx..If he\'s not involved with gangs or violence why are you stating \'everyone should be on guard because a war between woolwich/plumstead sides and peckham sides has probably started because of this?\' Hypocrytical comments.
Younga Stoney, PeckNarm says...
1:39pm Wed 17 Oct 07
Bev, London says...
1:48pm Wed 17 Oct 07
Passer by wrote:What has this got to do with the fact that Philip was innocent and not from Woolwich. Ben claims he definately was not innocent!! I'm telling you he was innocent.
Bev wrote:It\'s been said the murderer was of Somalian decent of which the gangs in Woowlich predominantly are. It was also said on the news there has been trouble on that estate from gangs in the area mentioned.Ben wrote: According to London Tonight this incident is something to do with gang fueds between gangs from Charlton, Thamesmead and Woolwich so th people envolved are deffinately not INNCOCENT.Ben needs to be banned from writing vast amounts of hot air about what he knows little about. If he truly got this information from London tonight, then it is misinformation. If it is a gang related incident, then Philip was from none of the mentioned areas... I think this makes him innocent enough for people to pitty his loss. Not everyone who is caught up or whose life is taken is actually directly linked to gangs. People should get their facts straight, particular the news providers. Ben, ignorance is not your fault. I only pray Philips poor mum doesn\'t read your defirmation of her late son\'s character through your narrow minded views.
A.B, north london says...
1:49pm Wed 17 Oct 07
Ben, Belvedere says...
1:51pm Wed 17 Oct 07
Ben, Belvedere says...
1:58pm Wed 17 Oct 07
Bev wrote:Because it mentions the gang crime on the estate in the report on London Tonight.
Passer by wrote:What has this got to do with the fact that Philip was innocent and not from Woolwich. Ben claims he definately was not innocent!! I'm telling you he was innocent.
Bev wrote:It\'s been said the murderer was of Somalian decent of which the gangs in Woowlich predominantly are. It was also said on the news there has been trouble on that estate from gangs in the area mentioned.Ben wrote: According to London Tonight this incident is something to do with gang fueds between gangs from Charlton, Thamesmead and Woolwich so th people envolved are deffinately not INNCOCENT.Ben needs to be banned from writing vast amounts of hot air about what he knows little about. If he truly got this information from London tonight, then it is misinformation. If it is a gang related incident, then Philip was from none of the mentioned areas... I think this makes him innocent enough for people to pitty his loss. Not everyone who is caught up or whose life is taken is actually directly linked to gangs. People should get their facts straight, particular the news providers. Ben, ignorance is not your fault. I only pray Philips poor mum doesn\'t read your defirmation of her late son\'s character through your narrow minded views.
Bev, London says...
2:00pm Wed 17 Oct 07
Bexley Mum wrote:Ask me no questions and I'll tell you no lies! Philip may have known gang members and a few wayward members may even be involved in gangs. Now if they decided to turn up at the hospital to try and avenge Philip in some twisted act of loyalty, then that should not be counted on Philip. One of my brothers is highly academic and successful in his career and the other is in prison on drug related charges. If anything was to happen to the academic one, the "gang related" one will react the way he knows how. My point is that how can you judge poor Philip by the actions of other people. PHILIP HAD NO INTERESTED IN GANGS AND GUNS. He was however, loved by many, including those who chose street life. Please stop painting this wonderful, wonderful young man with a stereotypical brush. Bexley mum is right there are to sides to the story. Philips anti-gang stance is the true story!!
K, from Abbey Wood states that he/she was at the hospital when this boy was taken in and that the gang members where there and started trouble. Unless K from Abbey Wood is lying surely this means that this innocent boy was part of a gang. However other comments say he was anti- gangs, violence & guns. 2 very different stories! Someone I knew was recently killed, he was NOT a good person but you would have thought he was a saint the comments people made about him after he died in a car accident, which by the way was caused becuase he was drunk and out of his face on drugs.
L, says...
2:05pm Wed 17 Oct 07
lk, sidcup says...
3:39pm Wed 17 Oct 07
Anon, London says...
3:43pm Wed 17 Oct 07
Ben, Belvedere says...
4:09pm Wed 17 Oct 07
lk wrote:Go to www.itvlocal.com/
thanks for the site ben - \"The London Tonight clip is below for anyone who\'d like to listen/watch it.
http://www.itvlocal.
com/london/news/?pla
yer=LON_Home_26&void
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but it\'s not recognised.... any suggestions?
Harvey, says...
5:23pm Wed 17 Oct 07
Ex classmate of philip, Catford says...
7:00pm Wed 17 Oct 07
Dexter Ukaegbu, London says...
7:14pm Wed 17 Oct 07
Anon, SE London says...
9:13pm Wed 17 Oct 07
lk wrote:Well said! Got too much to say for himself.
ben from belvedere - get a life, every story i go on there you are having your say, arguing with everyone. go get a job and put your energy into it, maybe a pc as you have so many political criminal views....
Rose, SE london says...
9:42pm Wed 17 Oct 07
SOMALIA, ANGLESEA says...
11:17pm Wed 17 Oct 07
abz, says...
11:27pm Wed 17 Oct 07
Insider, Blue Borough says...
11:27pm Wed 17 Oct 07
Yonnie Shivalila, London says...
1:40am Thu 18 Oct 07
blue, plumstead says...
9:48am Thu 18 Oct 07
X, SE London says...
9:53am Thu 18 Oct 07
Ben wrote:Don't make assumpions or stereotype, how do you know it wasn't mistaken identity? Don't be so ignorant and just assume cause its teenager they aren't innocent
Me wrote: Dear Mr G.Brown, it\'s good to see that you have your priorites right. Tax everyone up to the eyelids and turn a blind eye to all the innocent people that are being knifed and shot at the moment. Thanks very much. A citizen of crime ridden London.I don\'t think some of these people being murdered are exactly \'innocent\'. They obviously have mixed with people they shouldn\'t have to get themselves in the situation where they\'re being murdered. The one in Thamesmead and the Woman in New Cross where innocent victims, but these teenagers being murdered are most likely involved in Drugs and other dodgy dealings.
M, woolwich says...
2:07pm Thu 18 Oct 07
anoymous, **** says...
3:11pm Thu 18 Oct 07
Anon wrote:This government has let so many immigrants who bring their cultures with them. Bring back the death penalty and arm our police. This country is seen as a pushover for entry. Most of these individiuals are here illegally borrowing each others NI nos. Bring in ID cards and introduce the death sentence. Tighten our borders.
INFO wrote: the person killed was not from the area and the killers are not local people or local gang. one more thing, the person killed has ...... before. RIPAny how do you know all this ? The mind boggles !
H, Thamesmead says...
3:40pm Thu 18 Oct 07
Tasha wrote:100% agree. Why should I be in the minority somewhere where I have lived for so many years. Most of these immigrants are so rude and arrogant its awful. They just have no respect.
This place is becoming more disgraceful by the day, and i am starting to become embarressed to say that i am from england. I grew up in abbeywood, a town that many people loved to live in. now it is the complete opposite and that is why me and my family moved out. i cannot believe how much the area has changed in recent years! Am i the only one who thinks that there may be a connection between the rise in immigration and the rise in crime? i am not saying that this is the reason but many members of these so called \'gangs\' originate, or their family originate from more violent countries. could it be that they are bringing this violence with them as this is the type of environment that they know? It seems that youths pick up on this behaviour and start to follow it as they think it will earn them respect. as i say, i am not implying that this is the cause so i don\'t want people to twist my words and make out that i am being racist because that is not what i am saying at all. I just can\'t help but think there may be a connection and the government needs to do something about it so we can all live in a town that we are not scared to walk around in!!!
Concerned well wisher, says...
3:42pm Thu 18 Oct 07
damilola, peckham says...
3:46pm Thu 18 Oct 07
keji, canada says...
7:05pm Thu 18 Oct 07
Mike, Woolwich says...
7:52pm Thu 18 Oct 07
anon woolwich, says...
9:35pm Thu 18 Oct 07
***, south-east london says...
12:14am Fri 19 Oct 07
Ben wrote:I knew this guy and he was a close friend of mine. He did not live and was not involved in gangs from thamesmead, woolich or charlton. He was someone victimized by individuals form these gangs because of their fueds with one other. He did not deserve to die and was innocent .
According to London Tonight this incident is something to do with gang fueds between gangs from Charlton, Thamesmead and Woolwich so th people envolved are deffinately not INNCOCENT.
***, south-east london says...
12:23am Fri 19 Oct 07
INFO wrote:What are you trying to say make it clear so i can understand you. Wha has he done before?
the person killed was not from the area and the killers are not local people or local gang. one more thing, the person killed has ...... before. RIP
***, south-east london says...
12:33am Fri 19 Oct 07
Andy wrote:it was not gang or drug related, they knew someone who lived on the estate and went to pick them up. Why do people love to assume the worst in people. Just because 2 youths are sitting in a car it must be drug or gang related. Why dont you read up on what happened then you can start talking.
It is pretty obvious that this is either gang or drug related, people dont just shoot people for no reason why there are sitting in thier car!! I know this country is ridden with knife and gun crime, govenment are just not getting to grips with the problem, they talk good, but no actions to deal with it... I make a prediection that within the next month at least 2 more people will be murdered in south london / Kent!! Its that predicable now, lets hope it isnt somebody we care about!!
***, south-east london says...
12:45am Fri 19 Oct 07
Ben wrote:Your right no one gets shot for no reason, but in this case they shot him because of the place were he grew up in and for no other reason. it seems stupid but thats what happened.
Excuse me but people don't get shot for nothing while sitting in their car - why were these 2 youths sitting in their car on a dodgy estate? Linking a girl you say? Well we'll find out after the police have taken statements and release more details yeah?
The assumption was made on legible grounds considering most people who are shot or are shooting themselves are related to gangs, and usually these incidents happen in areas where gangs are present such as this incident.
If you knew this boy like your message implies, then I'm sorry for you that he's been murdered. At 18 it's not what anyone wants somebody so young to go through. But you have to remember this is a 'comment' section on peoples opinions on this shooting, people are interested in what actually happened.
As for somebody going Uni it doesn't automatically make them innocent, some intelligent people still get caught up in things they shouldn't.
As for being brough up in an area where people sell drugs etc... I was... maybe not on my direct doorstep but not too far away. Luckily I moved away before I got drawn into anything major, and I know some people don't have that option.
I wasn't talking crap, I was making an opinionated assumption from what I've read, seen and heard on the local streets I've been brought up on.
If I offended you then sorry.
***, south-east london says...
1:15am Fri 19 Oct 07
Ben wrote:i knew both phil and the other guy and i no that these people werent people to be involved in guns or knives. it was only a couple months ago we talking about our futures and what we were expecting to happen. im a bit tired of trying to defend my friends from people with stereotypical views. Just know that phil and the other guy were close friends of mine and were nice people withs goals.
Gone 2 Soon..Rest in Peace wrote:Since you know him in person, you know more then I do in regards to who he was and what he did. I wasn't trying to offend you or anyone who knew him, the assumptions made aren't disgusting, they're what 1st comes to mind when you look at the situation - 2 youths sitting in a car on a dodgy estate known for crime and gangs who's shot dead by a cold blooded killer. Yes it could well be mistaken identity or something similar, but people ask these questions because they're interested in what happened in a major incident in their local area. People want answers and solutions to stop this problem within the London area.
Ben wrote:Phillip was a kul and humble boy.. ive read all the comments and im surprised on how well you think you all know him!.. claiming he must have been in a gang, had dodgy dealing and alla that..stereotypes made just because he is a black teen, its distgusting! He was an ambitous, clever funny guy who had just started uni, went college with him and he helped me with my gun and knife crime coursework in which he was very much anti guns and knifes. For those who assume about phillip ... Dont!, u dont know him! Ne 1 dat was lucky enough 2 know him will know dat he was innocent, wrong place wrong time!
According to London Tonight this incident is something to do with gang fueds between gangs from Charlton, Thamesmead and Woolwich so th people envolved are deffinately not INNCOCENT.
Xx Rest in peace, Phillip Xx
Bear in mind he was targetted for a reason and tragically shot dead. This doesn't just happen to random people, there has to be some reason behind it?
Does anyone know the guy Philip was with? Was this guy as nice as Philip was? Maybe it reaaly was as somebody stated the fact he was from Peckham - it's known 'Woolwich boys' have fueds with 'Peckham boys' along with another gang from Lewisham.
There's numerous reasons that people could delve into, but it's up to the police to do their job and reveal what actually happened.
R.I.P to Philip, if he was a nice guy it was tragic and sad the way his life was taken.
We'll await the answers to this case as time goes on...
***, south-east london says...
1:28am Fri 19 Oct 07
Bexley Mum wrote:i was at the hospital at the time also, it was not a gang that was at that hospital it was group of boys who angered frustrated and curious and the scurity werent helping by talking down to us. Philip was not part of a gang he just had a lot of friends who cared about him!
K, from Abbey Wood states that he/she was at the hospital when this boy was taken in and that the gang members where there and started trouble. Unless K from Abbey Wood is lying surely this means that this innocent boy was part of a gang. However other comments say he was anti- gangs, violence & guns. 2 very different stories! Someone I knew was recently killed, he was NOT a good person but you would have thought he was a saint the comments people made about him after he died in a car accident, which by the way was caused becuase he was drunk and out of his face on drugs.
***, south-east london says...
1:55am Fri 19 Oct 07
keji, canada says...
8:36am Fri 19 Oct 07
Mac.....m, Kent says...
11:18am Fri 19 Oct 07
Lala, Woolwich says...
3:50pm Fri 19 Oct 07
Sophia, Plumstead says...
4:14pm Fri 19 Oct 07
keji, canada says...
6:15pm Fri 19 Oct 07
Unknown wrote:I envy you.I never got to meet him.Never got the chance to talk.now its too late the tears cannot stop.our family has lost him too soon.It means a lot to me that I can release some of my pain here.It hurts so bad especially coz I am not near my family at this trying moment.Thank you for the support
Dom wrote:Yo Phil, we all gonna miss u. U wer loved n i hope u knew dat. Im so sad ur gone coz u dont deserve it, wrong place at wrong time 4 real n u payed da worst price. Phil u gonna b in ery1z memorys n so is ur fam. Each n ery man has shed a tear and it aint gonna stop. 1
Poor lad. RIP. To be honest I have lost count of how many youths lives have been lost this year in London, due to stabbings and shootings. My sister is 14 and my cousin is 6, and I don\\\\\\\'t want them growing up with this violence all around them. It has got to stop NOW!
Mum, Thamesmead says...
10:36pm Fri 19 Oct 07
Concerned well wisher wrote:Very well said.
An 18 year old young man has had his life halted. His parents will never meet his children, his brothers will never stand next to him at his wedding. He will not attend his graduation.......... ..... The above comments from people include so many assumptions, why is it that if a black teenager is killed the first thing their family and friends have to defend is whether they are in a gang or not. Perhaps Phillip was in the wrong place at the wrong time, until I know other wise I will give the benefit of doubt. There are good and bad in all races and cultures. From what I understand Philip was one of the good guys. Perhaps messages of support for the mother that had to identify her son would be more appropriate or to the brothers that were once 5 and will now always be 4. Those that throw stones should pray that they never have to defend their son's or daughters against accusations. For the family - I am sorry for your loss and may Phillip be at peace and watch over you and yours. Best wishes
keji, canada says...
5:21am Sat 20 Oct 07
Yonnie Shivalila wrote:thank you for your kind words.they are a source of comfort.Our Phillipo is gone.I hope your brother recovers quickly and may we never have to go through this ever again
Dear Writer,
I am not upset with you comment I don\'t think some of these people being murdered are exactly \'innocent\'. They obviously have mixed with people they shouldn\'t have to get themselves in the situation where they\'re being
Prior to Sunday I may have had that notion in mind that somehow somewhere how possible would it be that an innocent person/people are targeted killed and injured (Gunned or stabbed) I held that view until Sunday evening.
I write not as a family member but more as a Londoner just as you and a resident of South London (as you maybe? am guessing).
These are not gangsters, rude boys but they are simply young men and in actual fact university students. If we base all responses, suggestions, on facts rather than conjecture. I was fortunate to have been in the company of Philip and can assure you he was a young man who had ambitions, dreams & drive.
If and when we have prejudgments it surely does not help and I am now possibly open to the reality that many similar incidents take place daily, weekly and they are not seriously investigated nor adequate resources are scaled to bringing the perpetrators of such nonsensical violence to justice and in a sense bring some solace and at some closure to the families affected that justice has served its cause.
I will use the example of me as it is the easiest thing I am a university graduate (I will be the first to say that does not make me special or smarter). I have worked as a teacher and have been fortunate to have had various key opportunities with education in my relevant short career to date. I have dedicated my life to Education and to be specific Adult Education. That has seen me working within Further, Private, Voluntary, & presently within Community Education. I am have recently decided to take my Master which is in Education and International Development but let me not bore you with my life history if I had been at Thamsmead with my friends (a doctor, a trainee accountant or whoever .) waiting for a friend as oppose to my brother and his friends would that mean we are suddenly a gang member or gangsters?
Personally I think classifying crime with race is a serious flaws as crime is crime irrespective of race. Yes lately the increase in what is commonly classified as black on black crimes would be better detaching race to the crime to flag the point even clearly if that incident on Sunday we had victims being a group of three young white men waiting for a friend in car would you even consider/think Oh maybe they were gang members I will answer that for you the answer is simply NO we would be reviewing the magnitude of the tragedy on a Nationally level and looking at how measures of ensuring this will never happens again.
Government and law makers must not forget the first responsibility is to citizens as presently the unfortunate realty is people just do not feel safe. The shift where resources are spent in trying to understand why criminals are crimes and ignoring the victims of crime is something that cannot continue. Rights campaigners I ask what words do would you have to console a mother who has lost a son as Philip before campaigning for all the rights for criminals.
Londoners are constantly living in fear and many people are taking an exodus from this great capital as people just do not simply feel safe. Lastly police need to be given the powers be able to police effectively with limited red tape the over reliance on office based remote policing more time writing reports than chasing and investigating crime a symbol of the bureaucracy cancer that is infesting all areas of public service at surely an added costs and a disservice to tax payers. When arming police with powers of which I support they must not be powers which are easily open to police abuse and victimization such as SAS laws were.
Tougher sentencing for people who choose to carry knives or guns will surely show some commitment to fighting the potential would be killers as the law as it stands now is simply motivates gang member and lost young people to feel that they need to carry knives or guns for self protection which surely is the job for the law and the police to protect citizens not vigilantism.
Having labels as we presently do on crime (black on black crime) has meant that they are just numbers we attach i.e. the 23 young person and ending with now the common label trident are investigating the incident awaiting for the number 24th to unfortunately happen in a few hours weeks or months. I ask as a society what does that tell us about ourselves as people.
I end by commending the Mr Gabriel Komolafe who helped and prayed for Philip and my brother on the road side by offering a touch of humanity when it was so needed my family are deeply grateful to you. The doctor, nurse at Queen Elizabeth hospital saying thanks for your efforts is just not enough. The officers who guarded my brothers safety we are grateful. To all family and friends of both families thanks you for you immediate support but that is just the beginning .
The lost young men who so carelessly took my brother best friends life and leaving a family with a hole by losing a much loved son. I pray that I/We can find the strength within us to forgive you. We are grieving forgiveness seems so far away Yesterday & Today we are hurting and are under immense pain and its hard I admit but I know we must pray for you and forgive you and will pray for strength and wisdom.
Donna, Woolwich says...
2:32pm Sat 20 Oct 07
Dan, Plumstead says...
5:14pm Sat 20 Oct 07
*** wrote:"Talking down to us"
Bexley Mum wrote: K, from Abbey Wood states that he/she was at the hospital when this boy was taken in and that the gang members where there and started trouble. Unless K from Abbey Wood is lying surely this means that this innocent boy was part of a gang. However other comments say he was anti- gangs, violence & guns. 2 very different stories! Someone I knew was recently killed, he was NOT a good person but you would have thought he was a saint the comments people made about him after he died in a car accident, which by the way was caused becuase he was drunk and out of his face on drugs.i was at the hospital at the time also, it was not a gang that was at that hospital it was group of boys who angered frustrated and curious and the scurity werent helping by talking down to us. Philip was not part of a gang he just had a lot of friends who cared about him!
keji, says...
11:20pm Sat 20 Oct 07
m, abbey wood says...
12:13pm Sun 21 Oct 07
k wrote:The Woolwich boys are not black so if your are going to quote something get it right they are somalians, and violent at that. Have you never seen The Younger Woolwich Boys video on Youtube? and these are just youngers between 8-16 years old.
T-BLOCK consist of mainly african boys, same as CHERRY ORCHARD AND THE WOOLWICH BOYS ALL BLACK. i work in the hopsital where the dead boy was taken there was no respect from any of the gang members giving any imformation regarding the dead boy details so the hosp could inform his parents they got told that the gang members were his family, they had to section off the resuss dept where a&e were working on the dead boy cause the so called gang members were making so much trouble, we are in a hospital for god sake. my answer is YOU WANT TO RUN WITH A GANG AND MESS WITH GUNS & KNIVES COS U THINK IS COOL, THEN EXCEPT THE CONCEQUENCES. My son also got mugged by T BLOCK at the abbey ruins last year made of with a tenner, mobile phone, gold necklace and braclet. five of them hitting him in the head, iron bar whacked round his back with another one swinging a sword, scary yeah. for a seventeen year old.
DUH, London says...
9:12pm Sun 21 Oct 07
j, se says...
9:26am Mon 22 Oct 07
Alison, Bexleyheath says...
12:13pm Mon 22 Oct 07
anon, thamsmead says...
12:27pm Mon 22 Oct 07
LaLa, Woolwich says...
4:12pm Mon 22 Oct 07
Alison wrote:I make you right Alison they are never gonna learn other wise.The way they are going we will have no furture of today as they will all be dead within the next 10yrs.BRING BACK HANGING I SECOND THAT!!!!!
Bring back corporal punishment. It's the only way! Life for life. Nothing else seems to work. They need to be scared, they know nothing will happen to them, they know they will get away with it. Even if they do get a custodial sentence, it doesn't seem a strong enough deterent. BRING BACK HANGING!!!!!
Mr. Bakare, South East says...
4:13pm Mon 22 Oct 07
Mr.F, SE says...
5:45pm Mon 22 Oct 07
***, south-east london says...
2:08am Tue 23 Oct 07
Dan wrote:At the end of the day we deserve to get treated with the same respect that you expect to be shown and if you think someone is allowed to talk to someone else like there crap just because there in a uniform, then your the one with a problem.
*** wrote:"Talking down to us"
Bexley Mum wrote: K, from Abbey Wood states that he/she was at the hospital when this boy was taken in and that the gang members where there and started trouble. Unless K from Abbey Wood is lying surely this means that this innocent boy was part of a gang. However other comments say he was anti- gangs, violence & guns. 2 very different stories! Someone I knew was recently killed, he was NOT a good person but you would have thought he was a saint the comments people made about him after he died in a car accident, which by the way was caused becuase he was drunk and out of his face on drugs.i was at the hospital at the time also, it was not a gang that was at that hospital it was group of boys who angered frustrated and curious and the scurity werent helping by talking down to us. Philip was not part of a gang he just had a lot of friends who cared about him!
This is the problem - it's all about 'respect' with these stupid hooligans/gangsters - whatever you would refer to them as. Its all about an eye for an eye with these idiots. What happened to good old british values like holding your head up high and just carrying on. No - these idiots need revenge now for such stupid things as name calling "dissning your bredrin" or whatever these nobs want to call it.
If security ask people to stand back then its going to be for a reason. Why not just do as they say rather than cause a hoo-ha about it. That attitude represents a genuine lack of respect for authority
Uni Guy, Uni says...
4:41pm Wed 24 Oct 07
rufus, local to shooting says...
10:25am Thu 25 Oct 07
Darren wrote:I was chopped by the same group some two weeks before and I can say this for sure what ever they were doing they did not deserve to be killed like dogs. go where it happened, it's dark and cold and those Somali boys are out of hand and they and there families should be deported for there crimes. they are weak individuals who behave like animals who now no better.
So what are two black geezers , doesnt matter where they are from, doing sitting in a ford fiesta in the middle of woolwich common estate? .
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C, south west says...
6:22pm Thu 25 Oct 07
mr big, hell says...
11:23pm Thu 25 Oct 07
Steve, New Zealand says...
11:14pm Fri 26 Oct 07
Lucy, Hither Green says...
7:45am Sun 28 Oct 07
Michelle Brobbey, London says...
2:36pm Mon 29 Oct 07
mr.paul, london says...
3:41pm Mon 29 Oct 07
emma, woolwich says...
5:10am Thu 1 Nov 07
tellie tubbie cops, silly name just for you says...
4:57am Thu 20 Dec 07
natalie, london says...
6:51pm Sat 29 Dec 07
Carol, Charlton says...
3:42pm Mon 14 Jan 08
tellie tubbie cops wrote:I'm guessing you would get a pretty major reaction from the fuz. But think about the person who needed the police more than you who has to stay in danger, just because you didnt think you should wait for the police to become available for your, what is probably in the grand scheme of things, lower priority call... Maybe you should try that rick and see how long it takes for you to be arrested for a hoax call or something. Idiot.
You just gotta laugh...there will be increased patrols of the area...lot of good thats going to do now eh fs, the killers will be long gone, this is typical of the knee jerk reaction we can hope to expect from our clueless law enforcement ( and i use the term lightly) officers. if its not involving a motorist, easy pray, they couldnt give a stuff...but remember this, the next time you phone the cop shop and they tell you they cant spare anyone, tell them you have just shot the person concerned, watch then as every police car, copper on foot and even helicopters turn up...funny seeing how 5 minutes before they had no officers eh !
phillip's friend, says...
9:20pm Sat 29 Mar 08
KNOWN, peckham says...
2:45pm Wed 9 Jul 08
Philip,S FRIEND, peckham says...
2:47pm Wed 9 Jul 08
...., unknown says...
2:59pm Wed 9 Jul 08
Ben wrote:the boy woz inncocent you do not know him i knew him well a good freind so why talk about sum1 u dnt even knw get ur facts right b4 u talk dnt be going round talking rubbish innconcent r.i.p Philip
According to London Tonight this incident is something to do with gang fueds between gangs from Charlton, Thamesmead and Woolwich so th people envolved are deffinately not INNCOCENT.
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D man, old kent says...
4:46pm Mon 21 Jul 08
fairdeal, uk says...
5:48am Fri 17 Oct 08
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Des, SE says...
1:52pm Mon 15 Oct 07
BUt FFS this has got to stop
Trident yet again anyone see a trend in all these stabbings and gun killings