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Mother's tribute to stabbed schoolboy
4:47pm Tuesday 26th June 2007
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THE MOTHER of a 16-year-old boy killed during a fight on Saturday night has paid tribute to the "most loving boy that ever walked this earth".
Ben Hitchcock died after he was stabbed in a fight in Southend Road, Beckenham, at the junction with Calverley Close, at 11.36pm.
Eyewitnesses described youths wielding metal chains, poles and pick-axe handles in the fight, which is now the subject of a murder investigation.
Ben, who was a Year 11 pupil at Kelsey Park Sports College, in Manor Way, Beckenham, was taken to Lewisham Hospital by ambulance, where he was pronounced dead.
Lee Hitchcock, of Blean Grove, Penge, said: "My son was loved very much by his family and many friends.
"We will miss him terribly, more than anything in the world.
"Ben was the kindest, happiest and most loving boy that ever walked this earth.
"He was 16 and had just finished his exams at school.
"He had the rest of his life before him.
"I appeal to anyone who knows who killed my Ben to get in touch with the police.
"We must know the truth about what happened."
Ben, who was nicknamed Swipe, was believed to be a member of the Penge Block gang.
Perry Watson, an ex-member of the gang said: "We were from the same area and we played football together.
"I'd known him for around two years, we just started jamming.
"He was down to earth, caring, loving and the joker of the group.
"He was always making everyone laugh.
"We lost a friend called Stefan this year from Norwood so we are trying to keep as a team and stay strong but it's all gone wrong."
The 17-year-old added the gang, which is thought to consist of around 80 members, is planning to pay tribute to Ben by printing and wearing T-shirts reading RIP Swipe.
Ben's headteacher, Brian Lloyd, said: "We are all absolutely devastated and shocked, it's a tragic loss of a young man's life.
"Our thoughts are with his family at this time.
"He had worked so hard to pass his exams and I understand he was looking to do a course at Bromley College.
"It's just such a waste.
"He was just a normal kid, he was chipper and had a great personality.
"He was just a normal kid who did normal things."
His last words were 'Please help me, phone my mum'
One woman who was driving past the fight, stopped to try and help Ben.
The 30-year-old mother-of-four said: "His last words were 'Please help me, phone my mum'.
"I just saw him lying on the pavement, his mates were saying 'Come on, you can't leave us like this, get up and run'.
"They were only kids, it's all street wars between Blue borough and Green borough.
"We get it all the time and there will be a lot more because there's nothing for the kids to do.
"They need to be taught violence is not the answer."
Neighbours from the flats overlooking the scene have described the "mayhem" of a "terrifying" incident.
An ex-police officer, who does not want to be named, described how the incident unfolded.
He said: "We heard lots of shouting in the street and all of a sudden there were somewhere between 30 to 40 youths there.
"There was one large gang who seemed predominantly black, who came from the direction of Lewisham.
"The other gang came from the direction of Beckenham and seemed to be mixed.
"They were carrying pick-axe handles, metal scaffolding poles and other homemade weapons and swinging chains above their heads.
"They seemed to be big guys and they all pulled their hoodies up when they were around 50 yards away from each other.
'They were all armed and up for trouble'
"They were all armed and up for trouble - that much was obvious.
"These people were out for one reason and that was to seriously injure or worse.
"They were armed, they were organized and they came out of the silence and caused mayhem.
"Different fights seemed to be going on between different people, cars were having to turn around and go back or just accelerate straight through them.
"It must have been absolutely terrifying for people driving through it - I think some of the gang members were trying to hit the cars.
"It was just a big melee, there was fighting going on all over the place.
'It was bordering on a riot'
"It didn't look to me like any one person was being targeted, it was bordering on a riot.
"We called the police but the fighting was going on for a good five or 10 minutes before they arrived.
"We saw the boy who we later learned had died, lying on the pavement. An ambulance fast response car arrived about five minutes later.
"The ambulance crew was working on him for a while - by this point the Lewisham gang had already withdrawn in the direction they had come from.
"The Beckenham gang also seemed to vanish - apart from six or seven people who stayed with the victim."
Some residents from the overlooking estate say they have heard rumours the fight was over a girl and took place after a party.
The eye-witness added: "We have heard the same hearsay.
"There was lots of shouting but I did not hear one racist comment.
"It was orchestrated and planned and I have to say I am quite concerned about reprisals."
A post-mortem examination held yesterday at the Princess Royal University Hospital, in Farnborough, revealed the cause of death as a stab wound to the abdomen.
An inquest into Ben's death will open and adjourn at Croydon Coroners' Court tomorrow.
So far 14 youths have been arrested in connection with the investigation, including one girl.
All 14, who are aged between 13 and 16-years-old, were bailed last night and will return to a south London police station on June 27.
A police spokesman said: "It is believed it began after a group tried to enter a house near to Southend Road, where a party was in progress.
"That group was excluded and the party then finished.
"We believe calls were made to others and as the partygoers entered the street, their number was supplemented by others arriving, bringing the total to around 40.
"A number of knives and bricks were recovered from the scene."
At a press conference at Southend Road, Detective Superintendent Simon Morgan said: "Up to 40 youths were involved in the incident which began when approximately six boys were barred from entering a party in a nearby location.
"Police arrived and the party was closed.
"A group left the party and the incident took place shortly afterwards.
"Anyone in the area on Saturday who may have seen the incident please come forward.
"All parents of teenagers who may have been at the party, speak to them and help us piece together what happened."
A Bromley police spokesman told News Shopper they had increased patrols in the area since the incident in response to community concerns, but stressed there had been no specific threats of reprisals.
The incident is being investigated by the Homicide and Serious Crime Command, based at Lewisham, under DCI Dave Garwood.
Anyone with information should contact the incident room on 020 8721 4961, or Crimestoppers 0800 555 111 to remain anonymous.
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jj, Penge says...
4:28pm Sun 24 Jun 07
CASSIE, kent says...
4:32pm Sun 24 Jun 07
miss davies, beckenham says...
4:45pm Sun 24 Jun 07
Kelly, London says...
5:05pm Sun 24 Jun 07
real eye witness, blue bis says...
5:18pm Sun 24 Jun 07
Jason Bridge, Beckenham says...
5:34pm Sun 24 Jun 07
Simon, Beckenham says...
5:41pm Sun 24 Jun 07
donut, sutton says...
6:46pm Sun 24 Jun 07
Liberty, the howard league and Guardian readers must be delighted as their, look after the criminal approach is going the way we new it would.
So glad i'm going to OZ!
Lisa, Beckenham says...
7:11pm Sun 24 Jun 07
EmmaDott, bekenham says...
8:19pm Sun 24 Jun 07
R ii P B3N AKA SWiiP3
GON3 BUTT N3VAH FORGOTT3N..
CharlOtt3..x, Beckenham hill roaddd says...
8:21pm Sun 24 Jun 07
AMY, BROMLEY says...
8:21pm Sun 24 Jun 07
YoungerReapah, Penge Blocks says...
8:33pm Sun 24 Jun 07
24.06.07
U MYT B GNE BT NT 4GOTIN INIT
YoungerReapah.....
Penge Blocks..2k7...
STEPHEN, bromley says...
8:45pm Sun 24 Jun 07
jj wrote:man u will be miss. we will never forget a tru fallen soilder.
R I P Swipe
penge blok all day
RIP SWIIPE ALLS BE REMEMBED
remi, penge se20 says...
8:49pm Sun 24 Jun 07
remi, .r.i.p. swipe says...
8:52pm Sun 24 Jun 07
Honey, Beckenham says...
8:58pm Sun 24 Jun 07
Tony, Eltham says...
9:02pm Sun 24 Jun 07
PENGE GIRLZ HOW OVER LOVE BEN HITCH ****, penge se20 says...
9:09pm Sun 24 Jun 07
CharlOotteDohtt..x, Beckenham Hill Roadd..x says...
9:18pm Sun 24 Jun 07
ake&&Louiee(L) YOURR SAFEE NOWWW..XXX
Maddiee, Penge... says...
9:25pm Sun 24 Jun 07
bold****
Sharn, Penge says...
9:25pm Sun 24 Jun 07
R.ii.P BEN aka SWIPE
we will all miss yooh! xoxoxox
ELMZ, BECKNHAM says...
10:01pm Sun 24 Jun 07
EP, says...
10:02pm Sun 24 Jun 07
mother, bexleyheath says...
10:11pm Sun 24 Jun 07
Lisselu, Beckenham says...
10:56pm Sun 24 Jun 07
Lisselu, Beckenham says...
11:02pm Sun 24 Jun 07
ItsDatChiick.., SouthEastSidez.. says...
12:16am Mon 25 Jun 07
DUNNO HU DEY FINK DEY R TO TAKE SUM1'Z LYK AWAY BUH BOIII...MA LOVE IS SENT OUT TO DA FAMM..PRAYERS R WIV YUUH AT DIS MOMENT OF TIME..TAKE CAREEE..ONCE AGEN I LOVE U BENN..UR NEVA GONNA B 4GOTTEN!
EmmaDott, Bekenham says...
7:44am Mon 25 Jun 07
R ii P
SWiiP3..(W)
x, kent says...
10:34am Mon 25 Jun 07
LACiiAA &&* JORGiiAHH, BECKENHAMM says...
10:35am Mon 25 Jun 07
YOOR GONE BUHH NEVARHH FORGOTTENN
R.ii.P
JORGiiAHH AND LACiiAA
2K7
x, kent says...
10:49am Mon 25 Jun 07
fedup, Beckenham says...
10:54am Mon 25 Jun 07
loraine, says...
11:12am Mon 25 Jun 07
beck, Beckenham says...
11:29am Mon 25 Jun 07
I doubt anyone who was involved in this could ever be described as "nice".
mk, Beckenham says...
11:30am Mon 25 Jun 07
fedup, Beckenham says...
11:52am Mon 25 Jun 07
Ella.., Penge.. says...
11:57am Mon 25 Jun 07
Love yooh loads ****
JM, Beckenham says...
12:06pm Mon 25 Jun 07
Aaron, Sydenham says...
12:13pm Mon 25 Jun 07
''These gang wars need to stop right now,enough is enough,lives are being lost ,over what area you come from,its pathetic,and at the end of the day its the parents who suffer,no parent should have to bury their own child,especially not in these circumstances,my thoughts are with ben and his family''.
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DANNY, penge says...
12:15pm Mon 25 Jun 07
Kay, Penge says...
12:38pm Mon 25 Jun 07
R H, Beckenham says...
12:46pm Mon 25 Jun 07
jayne, beckenham says...
12:53pm Mon 25 Jun 07
H x, Penge says...
1:19pm Mon 25 Jun 07
Rusco, Bromley says...
1:32pm Mon 25 Jun 07
He put himself in that situation. I have the deepest sympathy for his family as they are obviously suffering and had no idea of what their little boy was out doing with his evenings.
I only hope this is a lesson to all the kids that think London is the new bronx. Maybe we should send them all to spend a week in The Bronx and see how that has an affect on them. I guarantee they will all come back crying to their mummy's - if they do come back at all!!
Wake up kids! Do you not see how this disregard for human life is pathetic?? What do you actually stand to gain from acting in this way??
Wake up and smell the Panda Pop, go and kick a ball about, not each other!!
9, Bromley says...
1:38pm Mon 25 Jun 07
nt, says...
1:39pm Mon 25 Jun 07
forgoodnesssake, says...
1:40pm Mon 25 Jun 07
Joyce, Catford says...
1:45pm Mon 25 Jun 07
matt, bromley says...
1:46pm Mon 25 Jun 07
Anon, thamesmead says...
1:57pm Mon 25 Jun 07
(I am a 26year old man and cannot believe the posts above)
Also, it is very sad that people believe him to be a 'fallen soldier' what on earth do you think being a soldier is about exactly ?
Being a soldier instills respect for the law, your self and a sense of morality.
Not this wannabe South Central LA gangbanger cr*p.
Its so sad that young uneducated people look upto this rubbish.
Deepest Sympathy to his parents and family
but if he is running with a gang of hoodlums at 11o'clock at night, most of whom are carrying weapons and obv. out for a fight.....then the inevitable will happen.
that is just the reality of the situation.
Wallet, Bromley says...
1:58pm Mon 25 Jun 07
Al, Croydon says...
1:59pm Mon 25 Jun 07
9, bromley says...
2:07pm Mon 25 Jun 07
It wasn't an accident. It was murder.
He was apparently the joker of the group. I wonder if his "mates" found it funny watching him bleed to death.
Bombjack, Shortlands says...
2:09pm Mon 25 Jun 07
We see plenty of these "Amazing Boys" hanging around Beckenham/Bromley. Violent little thugs - going nowhere with their lives.
My sympathies only go out to the decent people of Beckenham - who have to put up with these lowlifes.
And as for the "text" speak in here - how do you people actually manage to breath in and out all day with that level of intelligence? Frightening
Disgusted with this country, Beckenham says...
2:10pm Mon 25 Jun 07
Z, Kent says...
2:11pm Mon 25 Jun 07
This boy could quiet easily be the one who has committed murder of a member of the opposing gang.
How can his parents explain their obv lack of concern/care regarding their sons whereabouts at 11.30pm at night ?
Poor fallen soldier ?? yeah right...another stupid child dies unnecessarily
Al, Croydon says...
2:13pm Mon 25 Jun 07
Al, Croydon says...
2:15pm Mon 25 Jun 07
Lily, Bromley says...
2:18pm Mon 25 Jun 07
RIP BEN
x
Z, Kent says...
2:19pm Mon 25 Jun 07
Al wrote:exactly
Z, his parents couldn't have cared less where he was, just so long as he wasn't disturbing them.
Simon Bull, web editor, News Shopper says...
2:22pm Mon 25 Jun 07
news/condolence
nt, says...
2:24pm Mon 25 Jun 07
he doesnt want to do that, i'm sure he would much rather be alive dont you? it was obvious someone was going to be killed there, i bet he didnt think it would be him tho - no-one does. why have respect for someone who went out deliberately to hurt/maim/kill, i dont have respect for anyone like that.
Charlie-x, beckenham/penge says...
2:25pm Mon 25 Jun 07
hee was a lOvley bOy even thOugh i didnt knOw him aswell as his brOthers he baught my friend ice cream and all sOrts!, he was just One Of the nicest peOple. and sO what is he was part Of a gang, yOu cant say yOu wernt when yOu were yOung unless tO wer a ners =| sO just stOp **** and pay yOur respects =(
R.I.P Ben. yOu will be missed. sleep tight xxx
Al, Croydon says...
2:27pm Mon 25 Jun 07
Charlie-x, Croydon says...
2:31pm Mon 25 Jun 07
Lily, bromley says...
2:32pm Mon 25 Jun 07
Once Again RIP BEN
x
Anon, kent says...
2:34pm Mon 25 Jun 07
can yOu translate please ?
' unless tO wer a ners =| sO just stOp'
Surely typing like this takes 3-4 times as long ?
Charlie-x, beckenham/penge says...
2:35pm Mon 25 Jun 07
H, SE London says...
2:38pm Mon 25 Jun 07
Charlie-x wrote:is it not fair to say this boy, who was so nice, could have easliy been the one committing a murder on sat nite ?
lOok. i dOnt see yOur prOblem. yes he was in a gang fight. but it happens. i knOw what its like. and yOu OviOusly dOnt. i dOnt see why yOur stressing at me as i see hOe he used tO be he was a lOvley bOy sO dOnt tell me he wasnt. did yOu knOw him? thats what i thaught sO stOp runnin yOur mOuth and sayin hOw yOu dOnt wanna meet me cOz tO be hOnest yOur just rude and disrespectful :(
shannen...x, forest hill says...
2:38pm Mon 25 Jun 07
Wallet, Bromley says...
2:39pm Mon 25 Jun 07
Mick, Penge says...
2:39pm Mon 25 Jun 07
Al, Croydon says...
2:43pm Mon 25 Jun 07
shannen...x, forest hill says...
2:43pm Mon 25 Jun 07
....................
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JM, Beckenham says...
2:43pm Mon 25 Jun 07
unknown, beckenham says...
2:44pm Mon 25 Jun 07
Charlie-x, beckenham/penge says...
2:45pm Mon 25 Jun 07
what is yOur prOblem serOusly. yOu didnt knOe him and its OviOus. if sOmeOne cOmes up tO yOu abOut tO start a fight. yOur OviOusly gOin tO fight back. yOu wOuldnt just stand there. he was fighting yeh. but it happens. yOu cant say yOu have never seen a fight befOre cOz they happen all the time. yes i knOw gang wars and that is bad, but its happened fOr years and is OviOusly still happening.
R.I.P Ben <3 xx
Lisa, Beckenham says...
2:45pm Mon 25 Jun 07
shannen...x, forest hill says...
2:47pm Mon 25 Jun 07
let me define gang: a gang is a group of friends that hang around together ok..... a culture is ur background ur environment fool go look it up..............
CONCERNED TEEN, blue bitz says...
2:47pm Mon 25 Jun 07
nt, says...
2:48pm Mon 25 Jun 07
Mick wrote:yep, if you look for trouble then you will find it. he did. hope the "yoofs" can understand why it happend and why it will happen again. because they cannot understand why it is wrong and stupid to go out acting like this..so who's next ?? !!!pathetic kids make me sick.
Gang fights don't just happen if you have parents who love you, if you're law abiding and if you're not in a gang. You could be unlucky and be murdered by a gang, but that is different. Ben went out to seriously hurt or kill someone, but he ended up dead himself. Such a lovely chap.
Lily, bromley says...
2:50pm Mon 25 Jun 07
RIP BEN
shannen...x, forest hill says...
2:51pm Mon 25 Jun 07
sue, london says...
2:51pm Mon 25 Jun 07
Charlie-x, beckenham/penge says...
2:52pm Mon 25 Jun 07
yes they had wepOns
yes they wer nOt meant tO be dOing it. but it happens. all the time. and nOt just with kids sO dOnt blame us all the time. loOk. im 14 yeh. im at schOol just like he was. i cOuld easily get intO a fight and die tOmOrOw and im HOPINg if that did happen then peOple wOnt be **** lyk they dO On the website. and were nOt pathetic. its just things that happen. RIP Ben xx
Wallet, Bromley says...
2:52pm Mon 25 Jun 07
unknown, beckenham says...
2:52pm Mon 25 Jun 07
nikki, peckham says...
2:53pm Mon 25 Jun 07
Wallet, Bromley says...
2:53pm Mon 25 Jun 07
Drew, Penge says...
2:53pm Mon 25 Jun 07
Al wrote:Mate, you havn't got a clue what is going on, you don't know ben or his family so i suggest you go somewhere else..Fair enough ben was in a gang but at his age, in penge, what else is there for young kids to do? We need adults and the government to help rather than sit at home in their comfy chairs infront of their computers talking the most amount of rubbish i've ever heard. Also you would not like it if one of your loved ones or family memebers died and random strangers was saying nasty things about them? Im 17 years old, ben was a friend of mine and i miss him, so please have some more respect when it comes to these things!
Z, his parents couldn\'t have cared less where he was, just so long as he wasn\'t disturbing them.
shannen...x, forest hill says...
2:55pm Mon 25 Jun 07
gee, beckenham says...
2:56pm Mon 25 Jun 07
Drew, Penge says...
2:58pm Mon 25 Jun 07
Concerned, Bromley says...
2:58pm Mon 25 Jun 07
Drew, Penge says...
2:59pm Mon 25 Jun 07
Concerned wrote:if your so worried about it then help to solve it, if your not part of the equation, then your part of the problem by sitting back and doing fuc|< all !
I'm more worried about the appalling lack of proper English being used in replies than the matter in question. Reading it makes my head hurt.
The Don, UK says...
3:01pm Mon 25 Jun 07
One thing that comforts me is that in this day and age only the strongest survive and if you decide to get involved with these losers then youre asking for trouble. They will never get a proper job and always get the easy way out of doing nothing. Time they showed themselves to be real people and do something right with their lives - u only get one chance.
may this bor RIP
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R.ii.P BEN . WEE NEVARHH EXACTLiiE NEW YOOH BUH FROM WHATT WEE HERDD YOOH WASS A BAREE NiiCE PERSONN.
YOOR GONE BUHH NEVARHH FORGOTTENN
R.ii.P
JORGiiAHH AND LACiiAA
2K7
JM, Beckenham says...
3:03pm Mon 25 Jun 07
ang, london says...
3:05pm Mon 25 Jun 07
there seems to be a lot of speculation as to what actually happened on this fateful night ,but one true fact is a young boy is dead lying on a cold morgue slab with no family or gang members there with him now and i know that not one of those gang members would like to swap places with him or his family.I did not know the boy so it would be wrong to assume he was not innocent but if he was a gang member what exactly did you expect to happen if you go out to have a fight.To most of the kids on here you all have memories of your friend but there is not anything anyone can do or say to heal the pain this boy`s family must be going through.Now is the time to assess your own lives and choose which path you are willing to take as you could be the next victim and your mates will be leaving tributes to you like that is all your life was worth until the next person is killed then all the hype will be about them.
Kids think about your actions as there at least two things we can not run from one is karma and the other is judgement day
gee, beckenham says...
3:08pm Mon 25 Jun 07
A Real Soldier, Kent says...
3:12pm Mon 25 Jun 07
National Service for the lot of them will show them what it means to be a soldier and fight for this great nation we live in.
JM, Beckenham says...
3:14pm Mon 25 Jun 07
gee wrote:Gee - I have an idea about what's going on as i work on a lot of estates in Brixton, Kennington etc, But what is the Government doing - education, money, trying to provide facilities. The amount of youth workers etc who i know who are tearing their hair out because there is nothing they can do to engage with some kids. Why is it the responsibility of the country? It is the responsibility of families and the community to bring up kids, and these links breaking down is what is causing the problems - you are right, this needs to be a wake up call and we ALL need to look at what we can do to address this situation and the way we are going in the UK
If that was a reply to my comment.Ido agree with you because i am the same i am making the best of my life but all i am saying is that to understand the way these kids are you have to realise what this country has done and is doing for them nothing. So they try the way they no how to survive which may be gangs. That is wrong but that is the way the world teaches in this day and age. This young lad did not deserve o die along with any other kid but please if his mates are reading these try and learn from this and dont extract more hate and become what the boys taht did this to yoyr friends have become a murderer. RIP Ben all the best to his family
gee, beckenham says...
3:16pm Mon 25 Jun 07
nt, says...
3:16pm Mon 25 Jun 07
A2K, Elmers End says...
3:17pm Mon 25 Jun 07
JohnK, London says...
3:20pm Mon 25 Jun 07
gee wrote:Well these kids obv have a desire to harm others and think they are soldiers......
I disagree with the army maybe national service but if you end up like 1 of my mates that go to war then you run the chance of coming back mentally unstable. Eg no 1 will go near him after a few beers as he is now crazy from the sights he saw. He is no 25 and doesnt talk 2 family
why not send them into national service and let them get on with it ??
they get paid and might get an education also....
certainly is more productive lifestyle than that of a street hoodlum
dave, beckenham says...
3:22pm Mon 25 Jun 07
Concerned, Bromley says...
3:25pm Mon 25 Jun 07
Drew wrote:What should one do about the problem then, hmm? Maybe invite everyone round for tea and biscuits and polite conversation?
Concerned wrote: I\'m more worried about the appalling lack of proper English being used in replies than the matter in question. Reading it makes my head hurt.if your so worried about it then help to solve it, if your not part of the equation, then your part of the problem by sitting back and doing fuc|< all !
Gavin, Croydon says...
3:32pm Mon 25 Jun 07
You have to look out for one another, don't risk the lives of your friends, just for the respect of your gang.
Shocked and Digusted, Penge says...
3:36pm Mon 25 Jun 07
ang, says...
3:36pm Mon 25 Jun 07
?, London says...
3:37pm Mon 25 Jun 07
What activities does this gang do to entertain themselves apart from Massive street brawls ?
ex, ex local says...
3:45pm Mon 25 Jun 07
You only have to read the response in the e-mails to know what they are like, Thick, Gobby Cretins.
If they tell us he is a fallen soldier, to me that is an insult to real soldiers who fall in any conflict so to keep these brain dead idiots safe and tucked up in bed and have freedom to be out at 11.30. If they want to be soldiers, join up, train and fly out to the Middle East, and face the real possibilty of being "A Fallen Soldier". They have not got the guts, mouths yes, bottle no.
Hugo, Bexley says...
3:48pm Mon 25 Jun 07
Fergus, Beckenham says...
3:50pm Mon 25 Jun 07
Wallet, Bromley says...
3:52pm Mon 25 Jun 07
? wrote:This is what I touched on in my first post today. The reference to turf wars was because this fight was over territory. Green Borough of Lewisham -v- Blue Borough of Bromley.
What is all this blue borough and green borough ? What activities does this gang do to entertain themselves apart from Massive street brawls ?
Hugo, Bexley says...
3:55pm Mon 25 Jun 07
? wrote:I think it is unfair to assume everyone is THICK just out of control and lack of respect, what has happended to families?
What is all this blue borough and green borough ? What activities does this gang do to entertain themselves apart from Massive street brawls ?
Alan, Beckenham says...
3:56pm Mon 25 Jun 07
We bought their old house off of them early last year and we've been doorstepped by reporters all today and yesterday looking for an exclusive. Let them grieve in peace.
Wallet, Bromley says...
3:56pm Mon 25 Jun 07
Wallet wrote:Sorry, Blue borough of Lewisham -v- Green Borough of Bromley! Apologies.
? wrote: What is all this blue borough and green borough ? What activities does this gang do to entertain themselves apart from Massive street brawls ?This is what I touched on in my first post today. The reference to turf wars was because this fight was over territory. Green Borough of Lewisham -v- Blue Borough of Bromley.
?, London says...
3:58pm Mon 25 Jun 07
Hugo wrote:I dont remember calling anyone thick ?
? wrote: What is all this blue borough and green borough ? What activities does this gang do to entertain themselves apart from Massive street brawls ?I think it is unfair to assume everyone is THICK just out of control and lack of respect, what has happended to families?
I just wanted to know what was the purpose of being in a street gang other than fighting with opposing gangs ?
Do they do good deeds in the local community ? Help old ladies cross the street ?
Sell drugs on street corners?
Vandalise phone boxes and cars.........
Please clarify ?
Gavin, Croydon says...
3:58pm Mon 25 Jun 07
Wallet wrote:Isn't it the other way round. Interestingly, this fight was on the border of green (bromley) and blue (lewisham). I guess we could build a huge wall between the two boroughs? :)
? wrote:This is what I touched on in my first post today. The reference to turf wars was because this fight was over territory. Green Borough of Lewisham -v- Blue Borough of Bromley.
What is all this blue borough and green borough ? What activities does this gang do to entertain themselves apart from Massive street brawls ?
ang, says...
4:00pm Mon 25 Jun 07
Gavin, Croydon says...
4:01pm Mon 25 Jun 07
Sarah K, London says...
4:01pm Mon 25 Jun 07
I think someone should set up a memorial site on www.gonetoosoon.co.u
k for friends to pay their respects and readers should think about others feelings, everyone makes mistakes.
Bloods, says...
4:03pm Mon 25 Jun 07
Gavin wrote:yeah.....having the same colours would def. cure the problems.
Or maybe both boroughs could adopt the same colour scheme, that way there would be nothing to fight about.
Parker, Orpington says...
4:04pm Mon 25 Jun 07
CONCERNED TEEN wrote:The trouble is these kids only know how to resolve anything by fighting, stabbing whatever,or simple abusive language, they want to fight and make other people unhappy, because they are cowards themselves, but at the end of the day, they must love the idea of it, the gangs, the hurtful way they attack people, because they have nothing else better to do. NO EXCUSES - WHY NOT TAKE UP SPORT, OH sorry this is far too easy
all those adults who hipocriticly coment about the boy they didnt kno even tho they kno that in their childhood ther were some things they did wrong although it did not turn out as bad as this this is not the time for political or snoby comments its the time to greive and learn from a very young boys death, so you can keep your unsypathetic comment to yourselves.rip ben xxx
parker, orpington says...
4:09pm Mon 25 Jun 07
Bloods wrote:I understand your comments, but please can you at least check your spelling?
Gavin wrote: Or maybe both boroughs could adopt the same colour scheme, that way there would be nothing to fight about.yeah.....having the same colours would def. cure the problems.
CHRIS, says...
4:16pm Mon 25 Jun 07
quote
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Gavin, Croydon says...
4:19pm Mon 25 Jun 07
parker wrote:What's wrong with the spelling?
Bloods wrote:I understand your comments, but please can you at least check your spelling?
Gavin wrote: Or maybe both boroughs could adopt the same colour scheme, that way there would be nothing to fight about.yeah.....having the same colours would def. cure the problems.
'go play some sport' are you serious?
AMBAR LEACHH, BECKENHAMM says...
4:21pm Mon 25 Jun 07
R.I.P SWIPE GONE BUH NEVA FORGOTTEN I LOVE YOOH XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX
.., Penge says...
4:23pm Mon 25 Jun 07
osoon.co.uk
liam, yorkshire says...
4:29pm Mon 25 Jun 07
"you live by the sword.....you die by the sword"...
simple as that
gee, beckenham says...
4:31pm Mon 25 Jun 07
Chris, Beckenham says...
4:31pm Mon 25 Jun 07
Hopefully, if they keep up at this rate, there won't be many left.
gee, beckenham says...
4:33pm Mon 25 Jun 07
., says...
4:37pm Mon 25 Jun 07
gee, beckenham says...
4:40pm Mon 25 Jun 07
SHARKY, beckenham says...
4:43pm Mon 25 Jun 07
There is no excuse for this course of action, these teenagers do it because they want to!!!
How many of you, who were there are actually involved are now reflecting on their actions, I doubt many - how can you even go outside and carry on with your life, when you have taken another life, look around you, your parents, family. Just grow up and make something of your life, as this will always follow you for the rest of your life - WELL DONE!!!! You must be so proud!!!
DISGRACEFUL
Sinead, Shortlands says...
4:44pm Mon 25 Jun 07
But Am Still Very Sad And Disheartened About What Has Happened. He Was In A Gang And That May Not Of Been The Best Thing But, Now Hes Dead.
It Doesnt Matter What Time He Was Out Till Or What Weapons He Was Holding
He Is Gone Now.
They Were All As Bad As Eachother Because They All Brought Weapons And Intented To Fight But, Hes Gone Now And Im Paying My Respects.
He Was A Brave Person For Going To Fight Them Anyway And No Matter What Anybody Does Or Says Will Change Anything Or Bring Him Back.
Id Like To Say God Bless To Him And His Family And He Will Never Be Forgotten.
He Is In Everybody's Thoughts.
Life Is Too Precious.
x
Nicole, Beckenham says...
4:44pm Mon 25 Jun 07
I hope the teenagers who did this to the poor lad rot in hell & never know another day of happiness. The awful thing is they are probably 'proud' of what they have done are hailed heros in their gang. My thoughts are with his family and friends.
., says...
4:45pm Mon 25 Jun 07
Penge Mother, Penge says...
4:45pm Mon 25 Jun 07
claire, bromley says...
4:46pm Mon 25 Jun 07
ex wrote:I agree completely. A group of 13-16 year olds out at that time of night is ridiculous and asking for trouble. In fact it was the first comment i made when i heard about it. In some ways parents must be to blame as surely they must have some inkling what their kids get up to and why they aren't at home at that time of night.
Another death, and here we go again, lets blame the parents, lets blame society, no, blame these CRETINS, if we have to rely on them for the future, God help us. They know the difference between right and wrong, they knew it was wrong to carry out what they did, but did they care, of course not. You only have to read the response in the e-mails to know what they are like, Thick, Gobby Cretins. If they tell us he is a fallen soldier, to me that is an insult to real soldiers who fall in any conflict so to keep these brain dead idiots safe and tucked up in bed and have freedom to be out at 11.30. If they want to be soldiers, join up, train and fly out to the Middle East, and face the real possibilty of being \"A Fallen Soldier\". They have not got the guts, mouths yes, bottle no.
The response to the emails obviously from his "gang" members say how great he was etc etc and dont get me wrong the kid didn't deserve to die but it does make me angry knowing that a/ there are gangs in the first place. b/ these kids were walking around with weapons and c/ This is only going to increase crime as im sure there will be a backlash and innocent people suffer. The quotes from passers by say their cars were hit and these kids were in the road etc. they are not only a danger to themselves but they are putting innocent members of the public at risk.
It's a joke!
n, swanley says...
5:01pm Mon 25 Jun 07
to drew i totally agree with you with regards to us adults and gov should do something to help you kids, but you cant keep blaming everything and anything on everybody else but yourselves you can pick and choose what you decide to do with your life just like you can either sit indoors an watch a dvd or pay a games console or spend time with your family or you can pick up a weapon and go looking for trouble (im not saying ben had a weapon because i was not there) back in the 50/60 and 70s kids had bold nothing but they didnt go killing each other. pensioners who faught adolf hitler are to scared to walk their streets which they faught so bloody hard for.because our kids walk around with weapons in large groups.
i hope and pray that all you kids out there put a stop to this think about the real heros of this country and if they are your role model then go and fight for your country and not which estate that you live on
sadly in this day and age if you walk out the door with a weapon you have to be prepared to have it used on you.
god bless you ben sleep tight
such a waste of life lets hope all your friends take up a new hobby so you havent died in vain
r.i.p
bold bold bold
Tasha, Kent says...
5:02pm Mon 25 Jun 07
Z wrote:Why would you say something so horrible, of course they cared..they are his parents!! you can not stay with someone 24 hours a day and teenagers are very good liars!!! have some respect!!!!!
Al wrote: Z, his parents couldn\\\\\\\'t have cared less where he was, just so long as he wasn\\\\\\\'t disturbing them.exactly
MH Beckenham, Beckenham says...
5:02pm Mon 25 Jun 07
Megannn&Rachell, se12 says...
5:08pm Mon 25 Jun 07
Penge Mum, says...
5:18pm Mon 25 Jun 07
Paulo, Bromley but not for much longer! says...
5:19pm Mon 25 Jun 07
x, Bromley says...
5:23pm Mon 25 Jun 07
However it is sad to read another child dying because of a street fight, everyone has a choice as to what they do with their life unfortunately Ben choose to be part of the gang fight that ended his life. It is true there is nothing for the kids to do however it doesn't excuss the fact that a group of teenages carrying weapons went looking for trouble.
I just hope that if any of his friends leaving messages on here understand what can happen as it would be tragic to loose another youngster this way.
Do something with your life boys and girls before it is to late..
Kate, Beckenham says...
5:23pm Mon 25 Jun 07
Drew, Penge says...
5:27pm Mon 25 Jun 07
Russiia, beckenham says...
5:27pm Mon 25 Jun 07
Never 4goten ...*
postive, Orpington says...
5:33pm Mon 25 Jun 07
Jo, Beckenham says...
5:33pm Mon 25 Jun 07
If a kid walking the street with weapons getting involved in a fight just because another group of kids are from a different borough then I would hate to see how he would have turned out if he wasn't so loving.
his parents must be devastated for sure, but I bet they were happy to have him out of their hair on Saturday night.
I'm not saying be with them 24 hours a day, but 11.30pm is too late for him to be out on his own.
Still - prisons are over crowded, so at least we need one less cell now!
anon, orpington says...
5:41pm Mon 25 Jun 07
Drew, Penge says...
5:43pm Mon 25 Jun 07
TF Beck, Beckenham says...
5:44pm Mon 25 Jun 07
Wallet, Bromley says...
5:51pm Mon 25 Jun 07
On one hand we have all his mates and a number of youngsters trying to say that he was a loving caring joker (in appalling English) and on the other, a set of worried adults, mostly parents I would guess, giving an opinion of a toe rag tearaway with no respect for law, order, property or others! I suspect the truth may be somewhere in the middle.
There are however three facts about this that we do know. 1. school children were out walking the streets after 11pm. 2. A big fight took place that involved weapons. 3. Ben lost his life. Was it worth it? No, not at all unless something positive comes from it. But, sadly, I very much doubt anything will.
Lisa, Beckenham says...
5:57pm Mon 25 Jun 07
Bazza, Downham says...
6:08pm Mon 25 Jun 07
I'm not havin' my son been killed in Beckenham late at night. So help me, I'd beat 'im to within an inch of 'is life when 'e came in. Right proper too. And I'd give the missus what for as well.
It neva happened when the dear Ol Queen Mum was araaand. Gawd bless 'er.
Gordon, Petts Wood says...
6:15pm Mon 25 Jun 07
leanne, says...
6:21pm Mon 25 Jun 07
Condolences to the friends and familys!! It is unfair to blame the parents, my parents let me out at half 11 and im 16, i feel it is about trust!! No one that was at this gang fight was innocent, this wasnt an innocent life lost, he participated in this fight by being there, if he used a weapon or not!! Some youngsters do not choose this way of life they just see no other way. What we need is strong role models to help and assist us with things to do, that are not expensive. Ok there are youth groups but they are not to every ones liking so what else is there?? And the lingo is hurting any body so leave us to speak like this, ok it may portray us as being thik but then again no one these days give teenagers a chance, thats where everything is going wrong!! This teenagers need to grieve for their friend, and it is wrong of people to not allow this or to question how people can call him lovely, its easy for you to slate other peoples kids but if it were your own out there i very much doubt you would say a bad thing about your child. there is good in everyone...as well as bad !!
R.H,, Sadly I live in Beckenham says...
6:47pm Mon 25 Jun 07
shane, bromley says...
6:48pm Mon 25 Jun 07
r.i.p ben, says...
6:50pm Mon 25 Jun 07
dnt worri, says...
6:52pm Mon 25 Jun 07
MATT, BROCKLEY says...
6:59pm Mon 25 Jun 07
MATT, BROCKLY says...
7:03pm Mon 25 Jun 07
RIP BEN
pat, orpington says...
7:34pm Mon 25 Jun 07
AS SOMEBODY COMMENTED IT WAS LIKE A SCENE FROM THE BRONX, BUT OUR YOUNGSTERS WOULDNT LAST FIVE MINUTES THERE AND ALL THE TIME THEY ARE GLORYFYING THIS VIOLENCE THINGS WILL GET WORSE AND WE WILL SOON BE HAVING DRIVE BY SHOOTINGS.
WHAT IS HAPPENING TO OUR COUNTRY? WHAT FUTURE WILL OUR YOUNGSTERS HAVE?I DONT KNOW THE ANSWER BUT I KNOW SOMETHING HAS TO CHANGE WITH THE LAW AND A GOOD SHARP SHOCK IS WHAT A LOT OF THESE WANNABEE GANGSTERS NEED FOR THEYRE OWN GOOD.ANY SUGGESTIONS?
Anon, SE London says...
7:40pm Mon 25 Jun 07
D, Bromley says...
7:42pm Mon 25 Jun 07
Just to say to the family of Ben that many people will be thinking of you and your loss, and lets hope than any of Bens mates that maybe carry weapons when going out stop and think....
R.H., Beckenham says...
7:45pm Mon 25 Jun 07
leah, lewisham says...
7:46pm Mon 25 Jun 07
YOOR GONE BUHH NEVARHH FORGOTTENN
R.ii.P
JORGiiAHH AND LACiiAA
2K7
WAT A PATHETIC MESSAGE..KMT
lEE, bromely says...
7:53pm Mon 25 Jun 07
anoy, se london says...
8:00pm Mon 25 Jun 07
'newsshopper.co.uk/
news/condolence'
Everyone has a right to have there say.
You kids think you all know better than your elders.We have lived longer than you and if you take note of things written you may live to the end of the year. Fighting isnt the answer for anything.Carry on and the next time it could be you.You dont ususally go to a party armed ready for a fight.
If you all think you are tough then why not put it to use and join the TA or put yourselfs up for the army where you have to fight your best mate whether you like it or not.
The only decent people( if we can really call anyone in a gang decent) are the ones who stayed with Ben in his last moments.If the rest of you in his gang were his true friends then you didnt show it on the night.I am just so glad there was only one death, it could have been a lot worse.
THink of your parents.You are al sad about the loss of your mate but think if it was your parents recieving the news, it would be 10 times as bad as they have known you all you life.
chaz, seLondon says...
8:03pm Mon 25 Jun 07
r.i.p ben wrote:If all the people involved were on their way to a party then why was they carrying pik-axe handles, metal poles and other home made weapons?? It may not have been planned for there and then but every1 involved choose to use weapons so something like this was bound to happen. I think all the kids involved should think how their families and friends would feel if it was them gettin burried. Do u all think this fight was worth it now? I dont think so. Next time think of the concerquence b4 u act. Rip Ben
all wat people is syain taht it was lanned it was not planeed ther was four of lads including ben going to a party n sadly the other boys was on there way to that part aswell, if someone starts a fightr with you am sure yur not gunna stand up and take the beatn ur gunna fight back so every needs to think about wat there saying because they wernt dere n neither was da press so u dnt knw wat exactly happend only if u was there r.i.p ben love you and am gunna miss you sooooooooo much at least ur in a betta place now.... STOP GUN && KNIFE CRIMEEEEE!!!
anonomous, kent says...
8:17pm Mon 25 Jun 07
Just Mehh, Penge says...
8:29pm Mon 25 Jun 07
see yhoo all soon an sleep tyt love u all__Xx
LACiiAA &&* JORGiiAHH, BEKENHAMM says...
8:33pm Mon 25 Jun 07
RiiP BEN </3
A Mother, london says...
8:40pm Mon 25 Jun 07
may this boy be at peace
Mel, Beckenham says...
8:47pm Mon 25 Jun 07
Why are these little hooligans being allowed to run around with axes, knives, and bricks?
Welcome to the 20th century, ladies and gentlemen.
c, Bromley says...
8:54pm Mon 25 Jun 07
El, Beckenham says...
8:59pm Mon 25 Jun 07
Marie, kent says...
9:02pm Mon 25 Jun 07
I know the angels are taking care of u.
sweet dreams xxxMariexxx
Anon, Lewisham says...
9:20pm Mon 25 Jun 07
The Pengee Block Vs. Blu Boro Has been going on for far too long now mann .. me and my girls were at a bus stop in catford once when bare penge ones pulled up in a car and were chatting **** to us. at the end of the day - this violence will never end. that is just the way things are nowaday's you may say stuff about how wrong it is etc but trust me that aint gonna change nothing.
R.I.P Ben, just another one killed in this foolishness
Taxpayer, London says...
10:15pm Mon 25 Jun 07
Dutch, Kent says...
10:16pm Mon 25 Jun 07
a mum, kent says...
10:30pm Mon 25 Jun 07
nt wrote:well said little Ben cant grow up and all those friends who he left behind, they had better grow up, or in a few years time thier kiddies will be doing the same, then kids it will be a whole different ball game. get out of it now!!!!
agreed rusco, if it was a member of the other lot killed, this lot would be whooping it up i bet, get a life kids stop thinking you sooo hard, you not. did any of you not think this would end in disaster? what did you think would happen....i tell you something. NONE OF YOU THINK thats the problem. now grow up...your mate Ben cant.
Anonne, Beckenham says...
10:31pm Mon 25 Jun 07
The only surprise to me is that it doesn't happen a lot more often. Young kids out at nearly midnight, misunderstanding the meaning of 'respect' and thinking it means injuring someone for some implied slur or rumour.
I don't think any of this will stop until there are curfews and parents who take more responsibility.
It's not just 'the way things are' it's a choice of how you live your life. Nobody forces you to be in a gang.
And please please stop talking about him as a "fallen solja". Our soldiers have pride in themselves and serve our country. Ben did not die in service to anyone.
A total waste of a life. If his death means that his gang decide not to arm themselves and behave like they appear to, then it will not have been in vain. Sadly, I imagine that there will be a lot of repercussions of this and that there are a lot of kids way out their depth in shìt at the moment.
look after yourselves.
mjdj, se london says...
10:41pm Mon 25 Jun 07
Harbourmaster, The Streets says...
11:18pm Mon 25 Jun 07
Dat said, dis sort of ting might affect local house prices, and we no need dat. Keep dis fing on da blue side.
Word. Long live red H.
me, says...
11:34pm Mon 25 Jun 07
Hanson, Bromley says...
11:49pm Mon 25 Jun 07
Harbourmaster, The Streets on 11:18pm today
I is not from the green crew. Or the blue crew. I is from the big red H crew. Word. Big up the respec for the maijor playa. Dat said, dis sort of ting might affect local house prices, and we no need dat. Keep dis fing on da blue side. Word. Long live red H.
So, who are the Big Red H Crew?
Are they the gang who are fighting to protect property prices in the area?
Maureen, South London says...
11:59pm Mon 25 Jun 07
Why do you teens think that 'jamming' on the street is a necessity to life? Why dont you lot go to school and get a proper education and make something of yourselves. It is so sad that the younger generations are observing us and they are going to follow in our footsteps, isnt it time that we focus on the better things in life? How much times does a kid have to die for you all to see that violence is not the answer? So what if he came from a different area, why does it matter? Im so fed up of hearing that another teen or kid has died because you stupid ignorant idiots wont stop with the violence. Society can blame the parents, but its the children they are corrupt and this wont stop until everyone of you is dead and only then will you realise that life is more valuable. Im ashamed to even think that London has resulted in this, why do we think that we are in America? What is wrong with some of you, open your **** eyes and smell the fresh air if someone looks at you bad then ignore them, if someone calls you a name ignore them it is hard to do but your lives are worth so much more. Please can you guys stop this? You all can be such amazing young people, many of you are so clever and talented but you want to throw your lives away for a fight, if someone wants to fight you walk away, you may think your going to look stupid but you walk away with your life. Dont let this happen to you, everyone take a look at what is around you, your life, family, friends, etc if you was gone tomorrow because of this kind of nonsense beaviour how would your loved ones feel? Distraught of course dont let yourself become just another statistic and another kid thats died. I ask again for us to please stop this, its not right. Blacks and white should be able to love together peacefully, we shouldnt have black on white crime it does exist but it shouldnt. I just pray for this boys soul that he shall rest in peace. I dont know what he was doing out at this time, did his parents not care?? I dont know them so I am not going to judge because only God can judge us, his looking down on the world and he is crying because we are letting him down, you may not be religious but if you get a chance read revelations the last book in the bible, everything that you see now is pre-told in the bible, if God is not real then howcome he knew what would be happening today?? Im nto asking any of you to believe in him but like I said have a read of the last book of the bible and you will see that it is the truth. Take care and may god bless and protect all of your souls. x
whats happenin?, says...
12:02am Tue 26 Jun 07
my sympathy goes to the family, but not to him, yes his life was taken to soon, but so has those that are innocent and are being accused of murdering the boy, even though they were trying to avoid getting involved. all these 14 ppl how many of them would have really stabbed one boy? it is ridiculous and pathetic, i mean sixteen and carrying weapons such as bottles, poles, battons and knives is that the way its meant to be. as far as i am concerned everyone that was there fighting is to blame for the murder including him, if he was not apart of a gang, if he neverr got off the bus he would still be alive so hu is really to blame? the ones that are being held, even though they were trying to get away from being caught in the fight or him himself for being involved?
annie, london says...
12:14am Tue 26 Jun 07
It Wuznt Blackz On Whitez
Dereee R White Boiz In Both Gangs Involved In Dee Violence Dat Took Placee so Get ur facts strateee
rippp swipez xxx
Steve Johnson, Bexley says...
12:14am Tue 26 Jun 07
EP wrote:It's no thanks to, presumably you mean, Mr Blair. It's thanks to those who cannot take responsibility for their own actions. You need to take a look a little closer to home before you start calling the kettle black.
The english here is atrocious, all thanks to mr Blair aka Bliar .
..., my place says...
12:23am Tue 26 Jun 07
C.L.L, Beckenham says...
1:10am Tue 26 Jun 07
may have thought that he was safe and not out and about so spare her a bit of sympathy before judging her so quickly and so harshly.
Katie, SOUTH says...
1:14am Tue 26 Jun 07
R.I.P Ben
OTHERS WHO ARE STILL ALIVE LEARN FROM THIS PLEASE....
Dani, Woolwich says...
4:22am Tue 26 Jun 07
c wrote:I completely agree.
Please people have a bit of respect and show a bit of decorum. What ever your views on the situation leading to Bens death, please remember that a mother has lost a child. I offer my heart felt condolences to his family.
Can you imagine if Ben's mum is reading this?
A comments section on a Young Boy's tragic murder being hijacked by Black/White Slavery rants.
Whatever happened/whatever their colour skin/in a gang/not in a gang...a family must be in the most tremendous pain right now.
There but for the grace of god....as the saying goes.
My sympathy goes to Ben's family and friends.
Blame and judgement is so easy when it is someone else's family but the reality is a 16y/o kid died and that breaks my heart.
R.I.P. Ben.
tina, lewisham says...
7:43am Tue 26 Jun 07
everyone else you dont have to be in a gang to get hurt, i have 4 children 3 teenagers who have never been in trouble but my 2 daughters was on the bus when the penge lot got off the bus one of them having been at her friends 16th birthday party, thanks to certain youths her party was ruined and her 16th will be remembered for bens death.
the borough wars has been happening for years i grew up on these streets and the borough thing has always been there but my children dont care about that.. the kids need something to do the goverment have taken all the resources away from the kids and let them loose on the street maybe its about time as parents of local kids that we get together and tackle the problem its not just here its everywhere and its not a black and white thing not round here
so stop hating and take action and have some bloody respect people are grieving .
think about this next time it could be you
The Don, UK says...
8:53am Tue 26 Jun 07
i couldnt belive it wen i herd da newz bwt im.. he wz an old primary skl frend ov mine n i no his bruvvaz jake n loui..
R.I.P SWIPE GONE BUH NEVA FORGOTTEN I LOVE YOOH XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX
Lord St John, The country says...
8:55am Tue 26 Jun 07
Alii, Staines says...
9:18am Tue 26 Jun 07
Big upz rispectz to the fallenz BredRinz ee wur a gOOd boiiz and no muuyAn nUu harmz juzt defen3in da hood
ainT nowz wrunGz therz
All yuuZz ol; pEEpz neexdcz to zorts it out
yah hearz me
Truszt..Rezpectz
Alii
Lynne, Bromley says...
9:26am Tue 26 Jun 07
But take a step back here some of you people and have a read over some of these posts.
The 'Attitude' is jumping off the pages from the youngsters.
They blame everyone for their behaviour, except themselves.
I's all about gangs these day's. To them Ben was a great person, maybe he was, on his own, but in a gang I don't think so.
To them he is now a fallen hero, I won't say soldier because that would be an insult to every serving soldier in this country.
He is no hero, he is DEAD, GONE, WHY?
If this was a fight that was not planned why were there weapons involved?
Why are kids of that age on the streets at that time of night carrying weapons?
If it was something that spilled over from a party, why was it not just old fashioned fists
To you people in Beckenham worried about your house prices, if that murder had been a few yards further along the road it would have been a Catford problem. Beckenham is not such a great place to live these days, like everywhere else. Do YOU really know where your kids are a night? who they are with? or do you only know what they tell you?
To he rest of you people who hope lessons have been learned, they won't have.
The gang will be plotting revenge, the other gang have something to brag about.
My gang is better than your gang.
Most of these kids belong to gangs because if they don't they get picked on. A lot of them, on heir own are ok, but in a gang hey become different people.
Who really care's if they are black or white or any colour in between.
The kids blame adults because we dont do anything for them, they have nothing to do, so they make their own entertainment, intimidate and abuse adults, damage property, vehicles, graffitti their tags everywhere.
So whats the answer?
come on all you adults.
I know what my answer would be, but lets hear some of yours
Mr Felch, Bromley says...
9:47am Tue 26 Jun 07
Trouble is, the adults who are "responsible" for these kids won't be reading message boards. They probably couldn't care less - until their little angel ends up in a box.
What kind of parent lets a 13-16 year old kid go hanging around at midnight? You see even younger kids dossing around in packs too - and it's not just a London problem.
I can't see any solution to this actually happening. I can look after my kids - but there's nothing I can do about other peoples'.
Stacey, Orpington says...
9:48am Tue 26 Jun 07
Man it is taking me forever, or should dat be '4eva' to read all this nonsense. I do wonder about the intelligence levels of the 'wannabe gansta' speech on here. Does it not take twice as long to write as its hurting my head to read.
Such a sad loss of young life. No one deserves to die in that way. The poor lad was only 16 - he'd barely even lived yet. My thoughts are with his family.
Naz, Compton says...
9:49am Tue 26 Jun 07
2pac,biggzie and Ben...gon3 but neva 4gOtt3nz
PlasticGangstaz, Compton,SouthCentral LA says...
9:51am Tue 26 Jun 07
2pac,biggzie and Ben...gon3 but neva 4gOtt3nz
Member of the public, Dartford says...
10:33am Tue 26 Jun 07
J, bromley says...
10:41am Tue 26 Jun 07
Sensible, Not Lewisham ! says...
10:42am Tue 26 Jun 07
What a c0ck. Live by the sword you die by the sword you brainless morons.
Lord St John, The country says...
10:44am Tue 26 Jun 07
What they need these days is a good old fashioned bunch of fives.
Anon, Kent says...
10:45am Tue 26 Jun 07
you must understand that the status earned in committing violent crime far far outweights the loss of life or possible prison time
Its cool to be in a gang.
ASBO's are like corporals stripes in the Army of the Underclasses
Chris, Beckenham says...
11:10am Tue 26 Jun 07
From All In Beckenham
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vex, penge says...
11:25am Tue 26 Jun 07
Lisselu wrote:dickhead who gives u the right to make a comment on things that dont concern u nobody told u to come on this website and put ur 2 pence worths! KMT
Oh and by the way, your mate is not \\\'safe\\\', he\\\'s DEAD. How does that make you feel?
Lee, Bromley says...
11:26am Tue 26 Jun 07
Can somebody please explain to me how the writer of the following drivel ever expects to get employment? Of course maybe he(she) doesn't and merely intends to live on benefits.
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Is it any wonder that I spend as much of my time in Miami, USA as possible now prior to emigrating? OK they have their problems but not the all out moron-wars that we're experiencing in the UK.
Yes I'm sorry a kid (because that's all he was) got murdered but as someone else rightly observed "He who lives by the sword dies by the sword" and it surely isn't getting any better in the UK nowadays.
vex, penge says...
11:32am Tue 26 Jun 07
JM wrote:how dare u! come on to this website and disrespect his memory like this ur coming talking bout 'underclass' u need to recognise that the only person who is underclass is u ****!! wen and if sometthing happens to someone u love then and only then are u permitted to speak! so u stay in ur 'upperclass'place and see how far that gets u
Fallen soldier? A 16 year old kid isn't a soldier, and these things don't happen to decent people. My thoughts are with the young man's family but it is just a symptom of what is happening in our society, what kind of lofe can you have if you get involved in all of this - and as we can see from the posts of the kids on here, what future have they got? As a father of a young child with another on the way I am for the first time starting to worry about them growing up around here, how do we deal with the underclass, and how can we keep away from them?
John, says...
11:36am Tue 26 Jun 07
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11:37am Tue 26 Jun 07
Rich, says...
11:48am Tue 26 Jun 07
saycha and jess, penge says...
11:51am Tue 26 Jun 07
nuff luv alwayz
xxxxxxxxxxxxx
joe, penge says...
12:04pm Tue 26 Jun 07
JM, Beckenham says...
12:05pm Tue 26 Jun 07
vex wrote:I've got every right to comment on what happens in my community, and in all my posts i have expressed my sympathy for the needless loss of life. And i don't consider myself to be upperclass, far from it. My concern is the breakdown of our communities and how it can be addressed. And before anyone starts on about getting off my backside to do something about it, i can assure you I am trying....
JM wrote: Fallen soldier? A 16 year old kid isn't a soldier, and these things don't happen to decent people. My thoughts are with the young man's family but it is just a symptom of what is happening in our society, what kind of lofe can you have if you get involved in all of this - and as we can see from the posts of the kids on here, what future have they got? As a father of a young child with another on the way I am for the first time starting to worry about them growing up around here, how do we deal with the underclass, and how can we keep away from them?how dare u! come on to this website and disrespect his memory like this ur coming talking bout 'underclass' u need to recognise that the only person who is underclass is u ****!! wen and if sometthing happens to someone u love then and only then are u permitted to speak! so u stay in ur 'upperclass'place and see how far that gets u
Paula, LONDON says...
12:13pm Tue 26 Jun 07
Lynne wrote:You say that kids do this out of boredom, when I am bored I do my homework or talk to my friends on the phone or even speak to them on MSN Messenger which is a type of chat programme where we can speak to our friends over the internet.
My condolences to Ben's family. This whole thing must be horrendous for them. No parent should have to bury their own child in these circumstances.
But take a step back here some of you people and have a read over some of these posts.
The 'Attitude' is jumping off the pages from the youngsters.
They blame everyone for their behaviour, except themselves.
I's all about gangs these day's. To them Ben was a great person, maybe he was, on his own, but in a gang I don't think so.
To them he is now a fallen hero, I won't say soldier because that would be an insult to every serving soldier in this country.
He is no hero, he is DEAD, GONE, WHY?
If this was a fight that was not planned why were there weapons involved?
Why are kids of that age on the streets at that time of night carrying weapons?
If it was something that spilled over from a party, why was it not just old fashioned fists
To you people in Beckenham worried about your house prices, if that murder had been a few yards further along the road it would have been a Catford problem. Beckenham is not such a great place to live these days, like everywhere else. Do YOU really know where your kids are a night? who they are with? or do you only know what they tell you?
To he rest of you people who hope lessons have been learned, they won't have.
The gang will be plotting revenge, the other gang have something to brag about.
My gang is better than your gang.
Most of these kids belong to gangs because if they don't they get picked on. A lot of them, on heir own are ok, but in a gang hey become different people.
Who really care's if they are black or white or any colour in between.
The kids blame adults because we dont do anything for them, they have nothing to do, so they make their own entertainment, intimidate and abuse adults, damage property, vehicles, graffitti their tags everywhere.
So whats the answer?
come on all you adults.
I know what my answer would be, but lets hear some of yours
I dont go out hanging around on the streest like my mum did not raise me properly, I am an 18 year old girl and I have the common sense to realise that when I am bored I dont go out at 11o'clock at night looking for trouble in gangs. Whoever is big enough to cause trouble is big enough to cope with the results and heres the resukts. Carry in you bunch of morons as soon as all of you are dead and buried the worl shall be a much better place. You guys are worst then the suicide bombers, look at yourselves, you think your all big because your in a gang but when your by yourself your only a small child. Grow the **** up and find something constructive to do. parents stop allowing your children to go out after a certain time, its some parents that have bad parenting skills which causes situations like this. How can you let your child be on the streets at these times? Kids damage property, vehicles, do graffitti and everything because they are savages and they are immature. When they are older if most of them survive they will hopefully look at what they were like but, its too late to do anything. Lets just say that this generation of kids are vipers and most of them are going to end up in Bens situation because to most of you its cool. You make me sick this is not America, this is ENGLAND.
joe, London says...
12:30pm Tue 26 Jun 07
Sakrid green borough, bromley says...
12:30pm Tue 26 Jun 07
Lynne, Bromley says...
12:53pm Tue 26 Jun 07
My point was that the gangs ARE there, I said MOST not all, kids joined gangs. It's a sad fact of life.
I'm glad for you that you can do better. Most of these kids could too, if they wanted to. But they don't.
These kids belong to somebody.They blame adults for their behaviour.
While your on your computer,go over o Youtube, have a look at the big tough penge boys. Its really a discusting sight. Schoolkids, in uniform, good advert for the school.
So where are the adults and their ideas on how to stop this gang problem getting out of control.
The Don, UK says...
12:57pm Tue 26 Jun 07
just listen to all those losers out there - there is an overriding message in all this - MAKE SOMETHING OF YOUR LIVES .... GET A JOB AND GET SOME SELF RESPECT.
Tiggy, says...
1:10pm Tue 26 Jun 07
Im totally shocked at the person who blamed the parents, I remember saying I was somewhere else when I wasnt its what kids do. As for there grammer so what?? If you dont like reading it then go busy yourselves elsewhere. So no-one ever heard of Cockney Rhyming Slang??? Or is that just used by gangs to??
Although I dont condone gangs and violence etc certain people on here winding kids up are the reason some people get attacked in the first place. Adults show some respect and you may get some back!!!
Kids dont worry some Adults that are making these comment on here post everyday on every article and are always trying to cause trouble and upset so just goes to show how sad they really are!!
Beckenham Bill, Beckenham says...
1:15pm Tue 26 Jun 07
kt, says...
1:19pm Tue 26 Jun 07
Tiggy wrote:are you "trying to be down with the kids" or are you david cameron in disguise. for gods sake. i give it a week tops before another child carps it due to stupidity
I cant believe some of the comments from the so called adults on here. Im totally shocked at the person who blamed the parents, I remember saying I was somewhere else when I wasnt its what kids do. As for there grammer so what?? If you dont like reading it then go busy yourselves elsewhere. So no-one ever heard of Cockney Rhyming Slang??? Or is that just used by gangs to?? Although I dont condone gangs and violence etc certain people on here winding kids up are the reason some people get attacked in the first place. Adults show some respect and you may get some back!!! Kids dont worry some Adults that are making these comment on here post everyday on every article and are always trying to cause trouble and upset so just goes to show how sad they really are!!
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1:22pm Tue 26 Jun 07
LL, Kent says...
1:26pm Tue 26 Jun 07
Where I come from you show some bloody restraint when you hear something you don't like, not lash out and chance killing someone. You also have to EARN respect. It's not a god given right!
becks, Beckenham says...
1:32pm Tue 26 Jun 07
Beckenham Bill wrote:Absolutely agree with you Bill.
Reading all of the above is truly depressing. Are we to believe that this Ben had a shining future? I find that really hard to believe because the kids he hung around with are all barely literate. He wanted to be a gangster and he got his wish. Its terrible for his family but Ben did this to them as much as anyone else. Ben was never going to find a cure for cancer or do anything wortwhile with his life. He thought criminality was something to be admired. Unfortunately he wasn't quite as tough as he pretended to be on YouTube. I'm sick of all these pathetic cowardly mugs bowling round my area pretending to be CRIPs. I wish they would all fight to the death.
And just for the record to those who keep saying it's nothing to do with us - yes it is because it is OUR streets you sociopaths are making into no go areas for nice normal people.
And why are you all whining about it. Everyone there wanted violence and you got violence. Surely you should be thrilled at the outcome?
Sky, Beckenham says...
1:41pm Tue 26 Jun 07
Im totally shocked at the person who blamed the parents, I remember saying I was somewhere else when I wasnt its what kids do.
If your 13 year old kid is not at home at 11pm, and not at a friends house (here's an idea - speak to the friend's parents), then where the hell are they? If you don't know this, then you are not doing your job as a parent.
Simple. End of. Why do some people not take *any* responsibility for their impact on society any more?
Yes, my kids have lied to me in the past. They've probably got away with it a few times too. But they're not out EVERY NIGHT! A lot of these kids are.
Ross Kemp, Beckenham says...
1:52pm Tue 26 Jun 07
Join the local boxing, football or rugby club, where you will be meeting people from all different back grounds. Who knows you may learn something about how others live and get out of you unreal no understands us lives.
n, swanley says...
1:58pm Tue 26 Jun 07
I AM A MOTHER OF 5 TWO OF THEM TEENAGERS I WORRY ABOUT LETTING THEM GO TO THE LOCAL SHOP
YEARS AGO KIDS HAD RESPECT FOR ADULTS HOW ON EARTH CAN YOU RESPECT KIDS WHO WALK AROUND WITH WEAPONS KILLING EACHTHER ANDFRIGHTENING OLD PEOPLE WHO FAUGHT FOR OUR COUNTRY.
PARENT DO HAVE TO TAKE SOME RESPONSABIITY I HAVE 3 TOODERLRSAS WELL AND IF THEY DO WRONG THEY GET SMACKED IF I LET THEM GET AWAY IT NOW THEY WILL WALK OVER ME AND RULE OUR STREETS IN YEARS TO COME
KIDS SHOULD RESPECT THIER ELDERS
AS FOR COMMENTS MADE BY SAYING KIDS ARE BORED COME ON DID YOU HAVE ALL THIS MODERN TECH WHEN YOU WERE A CHLD I THINK NOT. I CME FROM A SINGLE PARENT FAMILY GROWIN UP I THE 70/80S AD I DIDNT NEED WEAPONS TO HAVE FUN NOR DD I HAVE PSP XBX AND PCS
KIDS YOU ALL KNOW WHAT YOUR DOING
Vix, Orpington says...
2:13pm Tue 26 Jun 07
Yeah, there's no excuse.. a life that didn't need to be taken was taken, but at the end of the day.. its not just down to ben and his mates to have been 'looking for the fight' i think people forget that.. ben didnt put that knife in himself!
R.I.P Ben
my thoughts go out to his family
xxx
amazed!!, Bromley says...
2:27pm Tue 26 Jun 07
My son goes to the same school that this once 'happy' child went to and informed me of ALL background behind this to clue me up slightly in order for me to understand. Blue and Green wars?!?!?!?! - it doesn't make sense to us bold adultsbold as we are grown and have better things to do with our lifes and we have bills, homes and family to look after. Children, I repeat bold childrenbold argue over the smallest things, better trainers,coolest moblie, better looking, better area etc. Have you not noticed these are all material things???
This was bold NOTbold black on white or vice versa. It was an incident which all 40/50 or how many youths knew what they were doing, it was calculated, they went with weapons with the intention to harm another being and as a result there was a death, a death caused over NOTHING!!!!
11.36pm hmmmmm!!! there are a majority of 16year olds out at this time, but 13 year olds???. Parenting skills do play a big part in these kind of issues, my son would never dream of being involved in such groups neither would he be associated with such dealings, however peer pressure and the battle to be the next Mafia is out there, the story isn't being read that education is the key and without that there is no ££££ or $$$.
I asked a 13 year old child about this situation and they told me 'It's silly and I dont get involved'. I asked a 15 year old and they told me 'You have to protect each other, ya get me'. Both are from different backgrounds and you can see which one out of the two is raised the stricter way with morals inside the home.
Would have, could have, should have. Its too late for that now and if these children dont learn then oh well that is the end of our society - it's happening everywhere all over the world. The smaller mind person would say this is now turning into war, revenge etc, get them who got our friend. the smarter person would say we need to learn and that could have been me, or my brother etc.
There are no rewards in violence of this nature, save it for something else and concentrate in becoming the best person you can and not another statistic or stereo type figure.
Culture yourselves and your friends, the adults on here could also learn a thing or two.
ALl of you on this thread/forum is guilty of a crime right now and that is arrogance against each other.
May peace and guidance be with the parents and family of Ben and I hope they can find the strength to continue.
God Bless you all
anon, nearby says...
2:28pm Tue 26 Jun 07
i think you are missing the point we are not talking about an innocent young man who just got of a bus to go home we talking about a boy who got of a bus with weapon to harm and use
if it had not of been him it would of been anyone of that gang
he did not deserve to die but if you walk around armed then you take the consequencies
they were all out some will go to prison (which we will pay for us hard working taxpayers) and one lost his life hard price to pay for getting some street cred
Vix, Orpington says...
2:43pm Tue 26 Jun 07
There is no excuse for it.. the fight shouldn't of happened.. and perhaps they shouldn't have been out.. but they were.. it happened.. now he's gone.. people shouldn't be as harsh as they are being on this.
Me, Kent says...
2:57pm Tue 26 Jun 07
kt, says...
2:57pm Tue 26 Jun 07
Vix wrote:look luv, people are sick to death of kids running riot, ruling the streets, intimidating decent folk etc then when something happens to one of their own they are bleating of the injustice of it all. remember dennis sudlow, did he deserve to die ? kids tormented him so much he chased them and went under a bus-decapitated i think. **** kids i'm sick of the whining lot of 'em grow up or shut up (this was not aimed at you)
I'm not trying to say he was innocent.. no-one that night was innocent.. and yeah he had weapons.. so therefore im not missing the point there.. the point i'm trying to make is that the people that killed him had weapons too.. it cant just be put down to ben and his mates having the weapons.. There is no excuse for it.. the fight shouldn't of happened.. and perhaps they shouldn't have been out.. but they were.. it happened.. now he's gone.. people shouldn't be as harsh as they are being on this.
Sally, Beckenham says...
3:03pm Tue 26 Jun 07
parker, orpington says...
3:46pm Tue 26 Jun 07
HE WAS ONLY A YOUNG BOY AT THE END OF THE DAY!!!!
a father, says...
3:57pm Tue 26 Jun 07
Why?, London says...
4:03pm Tue 26 Jun 07
anon, nearby says...
4:04pm Tue 26 Jun 07
Tris the toff, london village says...
4:10pm Tue 26 Jun 07
RIP.
Z, London says...
4:15pm Tue 26 Jun 07
s, beckenham says...
4:21pm Tue 26 Jun 07
I used to be part of a gang some years back and yes there was fights but never weapons..if someone had a knife you didnt get close to him or her..
structure of youth nowadays is as follows:
influenced by mind drumming tv ..ie..big brother..
gangster hip -hop..more bling to zing and all that...
too many allowances on waht youths can get away with...
school teachers cannot shout at a pupil now!!
parents can get charges against them for smacking their own child.!!
I grew up with 4 channels , curfew on tv channels and no internet..and came out unscathed...also whats with the ENGLISH people...ive heard and seen people from furtherst Europe speak and write better english...
unforutnaltely crime is on the up with youth gang culture but hate to say it ..it will not disappear in this generation...too much has gone on ..too many advances and influences and we still need to adjust from what is wrong and what is right.
Tiggy, says...
4:28pm Tue 26 Jun 07
n wrote:I do have kids! Whats your point??
TIGGY HAVE YOU GOT KIDS? I AM A MOTHER OF 5 TWO OF THEM TEENAGERS I WORRY ABOUT LETTING THEM GO TO THE LOCAL SHOP YEARS AGO KIDS HAD RESPECT FOR ADULTS HOW ON EARTH CAN YOU RESPECT KIDS WHO WALK AROUND WITH WEAPONS KILLING EACHTHER ANDFRIGHTENING OLD PEOPLE WHO FAUGHT FOR OUR COUNTRY. PARENT DO HAVE TO TAKE SOME RESPONSABIITY I HAVE 3 TOODERLRSAS WELL AND IF THEY DO WRONG THEY GET SMACKED IF I LET THEM GET AWAY IT NOW THEY WILL WALK OVER ME AND RULE OUR STREETS IN YEARS TO COME KIDS SHOULD RESPECT THIER ELDERS AS FOR COMMENTS MADE BY SAYING KIDS ARE BORED COME ON DID YOU HAVE ALL THIS MODERN TECH WHEN YOU WERE A CHLD I THINK NOT. I CME FROM A SINGLE PARENT FAMILY GROWIN UP I THE 70/80S AD I DIDNT NEED WEAPONS TO HAVE FUN NOR DD I HAVE PSP XBX AND PCS KIDS YOU ALL KNOW WHAT YOUR DOING
g man, orpington says...
4:37pm Tue 26 Jun 07
r.i.p ben wrote:? ? ?
all wat people is syain taht it was lanned it was not planeed ther was four of lads including ben going to a party n sadly the other boys was on there way to that part aswell, if someone starts a fightr with you am sure yur not gunna stand up and take the beatn ur gunna fight back so every needs to think about wat there saying because they wernt dere n neither was da press so u dnt knw wat exactly happend only if u was there r.i.p ben love you and am gunna miss you sooooooooo much at least ur in a betta place now.... STOP GUN && KNIFE CRIMEEEEE!!!
can some of you please write in english, and maybe go to school
angie, says...
5:02pm Tue 26 Jun 07
Paul, Penge says...
5:03pm Tue 26 Jun 07
AWARE, beckenham says...
5:04pm Tue 26 Jun 07
The racist comments made by Tiggy and Derek have been removed, pity about the persons behind the text.
Tiggy, says...
5:06pm Tue 26 Jun 07
AWARE, beckenham says...
5:08pm Tue 26 Jun 07
There are 43 forces in England and wales and the information gets fed through a system that I work with. There shoudl be public info for you to view on the met website, if not if you provide contcat details I can send you figures however you may be able to obtain these from the home office in queensland gate.
angie, says...
5:10pm Tue 26 Jun 07
carol, london says...
5:14pm Tue 26 Jun 07
Paul, Penge says...
5:18pm Tue 26 Jun 07
Aware, beckenham says...
5:28pm Tue 26 Jun 07
I work for the home office and I deal with all crime data, I will not let my location be known on this page and yes the system does exist and the office is based in croydon, the department is called DCG. NOW YOU DO YOUR RESEARCH.
Queens Annea Gate - sorry!! also the office is actually in Martian St.
43 forces for engalnd and wales we dont deal with scotland only for drug related offences. Met is 01 which coveres every station in london but not British transport police but they all have different figures.
Paul you dont know anything you are dumb I cannot explain it to you, please call the home office for further info.
mrsr, kent says...
5:33pm Tue 26 Jun 07
adam, says...
5:47pm Tue 26 Jun 07
yone has different opinions and views and are entitled to it..unfortunately the way society has changed in technology, mainstream tv and lot more leniancy and not enough support youths think they are invicible , plus they are bored, and with young guys testorone levels and having something to prove this can be a lethal combination.
Calling whatever you like racial, gang, pc it is the way the world is..and going back to 's' comment.,there is TOO much to take in..and we have to learn but it will take time...sad as it is for the family.
n, swanley says...
5:58pm Tue 26 Jun 07
my point is
1, do you think your kids are safe when they go out and respect adults
2 how on earth can you say that these kids need respect are you having a laugh or what you want us taxpaying hard working respectable people to respect kids who terorise, and intimidate and kill each other to respect them.
they are spolit and have no respect for no one or nothing
what they all need is some good hard punishment
Jo, St Mary Cray says...
6:07pm Tue 26 Jun 07
resident, In the town that used to be so quiet and pretty says...
6:25pm Tue 26 Jun 07
All you kids in gangs think it's cool to act like you do. You're all big stuff yeah? You all need respect. NO, I don't think so. You don't even begin to know the meaning of the word respect. Respect for other people and their propery, respect for life and most of all, respect for yourselves. You can't even spell the bloody word, RESPECT.
Half of you are illiterate. And all of you are stupid.
You're all mouth and big boys, but at the end of the day, when you've got a knife sticking out of you, you all bleat and cry the same. You all need to get a basic education, which is free in this country. Children in other countries would give their right arms for free education, because they've got ambition and want to make something of themselves. Carry on, kill each other, but don't call yourselves soldiers, cause soldiers, you ain't.
Just misguided kids with no future. You can't even talk and spell properly. Life is what you make it. You choose your own path, going down!!
Bunch of losers. Go stuff up your own areas and stay out of Beckenham, cause we don't want the likes of you here.
John, Beckenham Hill Road says...
2:03pm Sun 24 Jun 07
R.I.P.