Catford parents angry at Forster Park Primary School rule restricting goodbyes to children to the school gate

The letter received by Miss Cohen yesterday

The letter received by Miss Cohen yesterday

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Parents at a Lewisham primary school were angry this morning at having their crying children led away by teachers following a ban on them saying goodbye within the school grounds.

Mums and dads of the children who attend Forster Park Primary School in Catford received letters yesterday advising them of the unpopular new arrangements which they claim to be put in place to monitor who enters the school.

The letter reads: “From tomorrow morning (Thursday), we are asking for parents not to enter the playground and to say goodbye to their children at the school gate. This is for health and safety reasons.

“We know that this is a big change but we know that you will work with us to ensure that the start of the school day is even better than it is already.”

But according to Michala Cohen, of Cumberland Place, whose five-year-old daughter Tymisha attends the school, this was not the case this morning.

She said: “My daughter would not leave my side and was really upset. Lots of the other kids were hysterical as well. “Normally she’s a really happy girl and actually skips into school but she wasn’t comfortable with this whatsoever.

“The kids are used to their mums taking them in and kissing them goodbye so today was heartbreaking not being able to do that.”

Miss Cohen, a business studies student, also said the rule will damage the staff–parent relationship.

The 23-year-old added: “We want to take action but the senior head teacher is acting so blasé about the whole thing and is refusing to speak to us as a group. The head will only speak to us individually.”

The mother-of-one also described the rule as “contradictory” claiming there is a 2ft fence and a side gate often left open that could grant anyone access to the school.

Head of school Mark Gale said: “Our priority is to ensure the safety and security of all pupils. In view of the ongoing extensive building works inside and outside the school, we reviewed the arrangements for dropping pupils off in the mornings and introduced changes to ensure a smoother start to the day for them.

“All decisions are made in the best interests of pupils and we will be monitoring these new arrangements over the next few weeks. In the meantime, I am happy to discuss them in more detail with parents and carers should they wish it.”

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6:02pm Thu 4 Sep 14

cherithporter says...

This seems bizarre. Of course parents should be allowed to say goodbye to their children. What's all the fuss about?
This seems bizarre. Of course parents should be allowed to say goodbye to their children. What's all the fuss about? cherithporter
  • Score: 42

10:06pm Thu 4 Sep 14

Harold Larwood says...

This is for "health and safety reasons". Oh is it? So what is so unhealthy and dangerous about saying goodbye in the school playground? Assuming that the school gates are on a public road, isn't it more dangerous to have the goodbyes being said outside the playground rather than inside? If saying goodbye inside a playground is so dangerous, why do virtually all schools allow it?

“We know that this is a big change but we know that you will work with us to ensure that the start of the school day is even better than it is already.” What a ludicrous sentence - whoever came up with it clearly isn't very bright.

According to their last Ofsted report, the safety of the children is good, but the teaching requires improvement. Instead of bothering with the latter, they've come up with a spurious "safety" improvement. Well done Forster Park Primary.
This is for "health and safety reasons". Oh is it? So what is so unhealthy and dangerous about saying goodbye in the school playground? Assuming that the school gates are on a public road, isn't it more dangerous to have the goodbyes being said outside the playground rather than inside? If saying goodbye inside a playground is so dangerous, why do virtually all schools allow it? “We know that this is a big change but we know that you will work with us to ensure that the start of the school day is even better than it is already.” What a ludicrous sentence - whoever came up with it clearly isn't very bright. According to their last Ofsted report, the safety of the children is good, but the teaching requires improvement. Instead of bothering with the latter, they've come up with a spurious "safety" improvement. Well done Forster Park Primary. Harold Larwood
  • Score: 24

10:42pm Thu 4 Sep 14

asisaid says...

I drove past this school this morning whilst taking my own children to a neighbouring school. From my point of view, this has to be one of the most ridiculous acts from lewisham ( presuming they know about this ) that I have ever seen. The entrance to the school is opposite a group of shops. There is a bus route nearby and the occasional siren doesn't help. These youngsters, along with their parents/carers would be safer by far in the playground. If the school has issues with safety then it should be CLOSED!
I drove past this school this morning whilst taking my own children to a neighbouring school. From my point of view, this has to be one of the most ridiculous acts from lewisham ( presuming they know about this ) that I have ever seen. The entrance to the school is opposite a group of shops. There is a bus route nearby and the occasional siren doesn't help. These youngsters, along with their parents/carers would be safer by far in the playground. If the school has issues with safety then it should be CLOSED! asisaid
  • Score: 24

5:09am Fri 5 Sep 14

sarfflondonbird says...

Does this same rule apply when collecting children from school? If so, will teachers be in the playground to assure the children walk off with the rightful parent, and not some complete stranger? For that matter, will the teachers also know who is and who is not the childs correct parent waiting for them at the gates?
I too think its all wrong, but on the other hand, it happened at my primary school years ago. I can remember my mum waiting in the playground with me on the first day, but never after that, we just said our goodbyes at the school gate, mind you, we weren't aware of such things as peados then or kidnappers. Oh for those days.
Does this same rule apply when collecting children from school? If so, will teachers be in the playground to assure the children walk off with the rightful parent, and not some complete stranger? For that matter, will the teachers also know who is and who is not the childs correct parent waiting for them at the gates? I too think its all wrong, but on the other hand, it happened at my primary school years ago. I can remember my mum waiting in the playground with me on the first day, but never after that, we just said our goodbyes at the school gate, mind you, we weren't aware of such things as peados then or kidnappers. Oh for those days. sarfflondonbird
  • Score: 51

9:18am Fri 5 Sep 14

PaulErith says...

If they're going to ban anything, they should start by making it difficult to drive your child to school. Red lines everywhere around the school to stop parents stopping. Only this morning I was held up for 15 minutes near a school in Chislehurst. It was purely due to the number of 4x4s stopped on either side of the road causing a block.
If they're going to ban anything, they should start by making it difficult to drive your child to school. Red lines everywhere around the school to stop parents stopping. Only this morning I was held up for 15 minutes near a school in Chislehurst. It was purely due to the number of 4x4s stopped on either side of the road causing a block. PaulErith
  • Score: -16

9:26am Fri 5 Sep 14

ghost2013 says...

sarfflondonbird wrote:
Does this same rule apply when collecting children from school? If so, will teachers be in the playground to assure the children walk off with the rightful parent, and not some complete stranger? For that matter, will the teachers also know who is and who is not the childs correct parent waiting for them at the gates?
I too think its all wrong, but on the other hand, it happened at my primary school years ago. I can remember my mum waiting in the playground with me on the first day, but never after that, we just said our goodbyes at the school gate, mind you, we weren't aware of such things as peados then or kidnappers. Oh for those days.
This was done at the school the head worked in before coming to forester school. In the morning the children go in on their own. Then at the end of the school day parents are allowed in to collect their children.
[quote][p][bold]sarfflondonbird[/bold] wrote: Does this same rule apply when collecting children from school? If so, will teachers be in the playground to assure the children walk off with the rightful parent, and not some complete stranger? For that matter, will the teachers also know who is and who is not the childs correct parent waiting for them at the gates? I too think its all wrong, but on the other hand, it happened at my primary school years ago. I can remember my mum waiting in the playground with me on the first day, but never after that, we just said our goodbyes at the school gate, mind you, we weren't aware of such things as peados then or kidnappers. Oh for those days.[/p][/quote]This was done at the school the head worked in before coming to forester school. In the morning the children go in on their own. Then at the end of the school day parents are allowed in to collect their children. ghost2013
  • Score: 0

10:27am Fri 5 Sep 14

Harold Larwood says...

PaulErith wrote:
If they're going to ban anything, they should start by making it difficult to drive your child to school. Red lines everywhere around the school to stop parents stopping. Only this morning I was held up for 15 minutes near a school in Chislehurst. It was purely due to the number of 4x4s stopped on either side of the road causing a block.
Fine, but Bromley would have to change their ludicrous admissions policy first. We drive our 5 year old 2.5 miles to school - do you suggest he should walk? There's no public transport anywhere near. He's on the waiting lists for nearer schools, but they're all full of children being driven miles to go there, because their parents lied and used grandparents' addresses, or they had siblings (or half-siblings) who once attended the school several years ago. We're not being overly fussy about the school - anything within a mile would do fine, and we'd walk him there happily.
[quote][p][bold]PaulErith[/bold] wrote: If they're going to ban anything, they should start by making it difficult to drive your child to school. Red lines everywhere around the school to stop parents stopping. Only this morning I was held up for 15 minutes near a school in Chislehurst. It was purely due to the number of 4x4s stopped on either side of the road causing a block.[/p][/quote]Fine, but Bromley would have to change their ludicrous admissions policy first. We drive our 5 year old 2.5 miles to school - do you suggest he should walk? There's no public transport anywhere near. He's on the waiting lists for nearer schools, but they're all full of children being driven miles to go there, because their parents lied and used grandparents' addresses, or they had siblings (or half-siblings) who once attended the school several years ago. We're not being overly fussy about the school - anything within a mile would do fine, and we'd walk him there happily. Harold Larwood
  • Score: 38

10:37am Fri 5 Sep 14

concerned.erith says...

Sending them to school - OUTREAGEOUS they should be up chimneys cleaning them.
Sending them to school - OUTREAGEOUS they should be up chimneys cleaning them. concerned.erith
  • Score: 8

11:05am Fri 5 Sep 14

Gypo.Joe says...

concerned.erith wrote:
Sending them to school - OUTREAGEOUS they should be up chimneys cleaning them.
That's the spirit, give 'em a good beating first too.

The good 'ol days, when men wuz men. We never used to have all these shirt lifting liberals arund then boi.
[quote][p][bold]concerned.erith[/bold] wrote: Sending them to school - OUTREAGEOUS they should be up chimneys cleaning them.[/p][/quote]That's the spirit, give 'em a good beating first too. The good 'ol days, when men wuz men. We never used to have all these shirt lifting liberals arund then boi. Gypo.Joe
  • Score: -9

11:14am Fri 5 Sep 14

Toolbox69 says...

Speaking to people individually rather than collectively is always a good sign of a poor decision.

Maybe one of the parents could put in an anonymous call to the school complaining of kids and parents encroaching onto the road and causing a danger to themselves and motorists?
Speaking to people individually rather than collectively is always a good sign of a poor decision. Maybe one of the parents could put in an anonymous call to the school complaining of kids and parents encroaching onto the road and causing a danger to themselves and motorists? Toolbox69
  • Score: 31

11:18am Fri 5 Sep 14

PaulErith says...

Harold Larwood wrote:
PaulErith wrote:
If they're going to ban anything, they should start by making it difficult to drive your child to school. Red lines everywhere around the school to stop parents stopping. Only this morning I was held up for 15 minutes near a school in Chislehurst. It was purely due to the number of 4x4s stopped on either side of the road causing a block.
Fine, but Bromley would have to change their ludicrous admissions policy first. We drive our 5 year old 2.5 miles to school - do you suggest he should walk? There's no public transport anywhere near. He's on the waiting lists for nearer schools, but they're all full of children being driven miles to go there, because their parents lied and used grandparents' addresses, or they had siblings (or half-siblings) who once attended the school several years ago. We're not being overly fussy about the school - anything within a mile would do fine, and we'd walk him there happily.
Admittedly there are exceptions, and maybe my rant (because I got so held up this morning) is going to the extreme. However, there are an awful lot of parents that do drive their children when they could walk it in under 15 minutes. I was always walked to school which was about a mile away. (Got embarrassing when I was 18! :o) But in all seriousness I was walked to infants and I think too many parents take the lazy route.
[quote][p][bold]Harold Larwood[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]PaulErith[/bold] wrote: If they're going to ban anything, they should start by making it difficult to drive your child to school. Red lines everywhere around the school to stop parents stopping. Only this morning I was held up for 15 minutes near a school in Chislehurst. It was purely due to the number of 4x4s stopped on either side of the road causing a block.[/p][/quote]Fine, but Bromley would have to change their ludicrous admissions policy first. We drive our 5 year old 2.5 miles to school - do you suggest he should walk? There's no public transport anywhere near. He's on the waiting lists for nearer schools, but they're all full of children being driven miles to go there, because their parents lied and used grandparents' addresses, or they had siblings (or half-siblings) who once attended the school several years ago. We're not being overly fussy about the school - anything within a mile would do fine, and we'd walk him there happily.[/p][/quote]Admittedly there are exceptions, and maybe my rant (because I got so held up this morning) is going to the extreme. However, there are an awful lot of parents that do drive their children when they could walk it in under 15 minutes. I was always walked to school which was about a mile away. (Got embarrassing when I was 18! :o) But in all seriousness I was walked to infants and I think too many parents take the lazy route. PaulErith
  • Score: -1

4:52pm Fri 5 Sep 14

goldenbroomboy says...

Why was my witty and original post removed?

OK Mark Gale seems like an absolutely charming fellow who is just the sort I would have liked to have beaten me with a cane at school.
Why was my witty and original post removed? OK Mark Gale seems like an absolutely charming fellow who is just the sort I would have liked to have beaten me with a cane at school. goldenbroomboy
  • Score: 14

5:01pm Fri 5 Sep 14

Burntout says...

I think Sarfflondonbird hasn't been inside a primary school recently. Security is tight and adults have to be buzzed in. When the school is over children are handed to parents one by one. If a different person is picking up this must be informed in writing. It's come about as so many kids have contested custody. There has to be a point on the schol perimeter beyond which random adults are not free to enter. I can undertand that parents do not want to leave their children in the playground unattended if the school then lets anyone into that playground. Its stranger that these parents are calling for anyone to be allowed to enter the playground (which is what they are effectively asking).
I think Sarfflondonbird hasn't been inside a primary school recently. Security is tight and adults have to be buzzed in. When the school is over children are handed to parents one by one. If a different person is picking up this must be informed in writing. It's come about as so many kids have contested custody. There has to be a point on the schol perimeter beyond which random adults are not free to enter. I can undertand that parents do not want to leave their children in the playground unattended if the school then lets anyone into that playground. Its stranger that these parents are calling for anyone to be allowed to enter the playground (which is what they are effectively asking). Burntout
  • Score: -6

6:11pm Fri 5 Sep 14

Hearsepilot says...

When will these morons learn, adding the phrase "for Health and Safety reasons" does not necessarily make the process compliant with the act nor does it make it legally binding.

Taking your children to school is not covered under the health and safety at work act because its not actually WORK related!
When will these morons learn, adding the phrase "for Health and Safety reasons" does not necessarily make the process compliant with the act nor does it make it legally binding. Taking your children to school is not covered under the health and safety at work act because its not actually WORK related! Hearsepilot
  • Score: 24

6:53pm Fri 5 Sep 14

The Guy Who Says Things says...

It looks like quite a few people have profoundly missed the point.
At the start of the school day, you have several hundred children arriving at the same place in a very short time span.
Once the children walk through the gates, they are the school's responsibility.
It is impossible for the school to guarantee the safety of the children if there are also several hundred adults milling about the playground too. How could they possibly keep an eye on that? It's a completely different situation at the end of the day, when the teacher is with their class, and can hand the children over to their parents one by one.

As for the children not being able to say goodbye to their parents - what nonsense! You have to say goodbye anyway, what difference does it make to say it outside of the gate rather than inside?

Harold Larwood - the teaching does indeed Require Improvement, which is why this head has been drafted in.
It looks like quite a few people have profoundly missed the point. At the start of the school day, you have several hundred children arriving at the same place in a very short time span. Once the children walk through the gates, they are the school's responsibility. It is impossible for the school to guarantee the safety of the children if there are also several hundred adults milling about the playground too. How could they possibly keep an eye on that? It's a completely different situation at the end of the day, when the teacher is with their class, and can hand the children over to their parents one by one. As for the children not being able to say goodbye to their parents - what nonsense! You have to say goodbye anyway, what difference does it make to say it outside of the gate rather than inside? Harold Larwood - the teaching does indeed Require Improvement, which is why this head has been drafted in. The Guy Who Says Things
  • Score: -16

9:29pm Fri 5 Sep 14

Harold Larwood says...

The guy who says things (presumably Mark Gale)...Funny how anyone who condones silly measures always thinks that those who don't condone them have "missed the point". The point is that other schools manage it fine and this one used to, that the school doesn't need to "keep an eye on that" as that's what the parents are doing, and that 5 year olds sometimes need a hug before being handed over. Of course, this stops parents badgering the teachers with all kinds of unnecessary badgering first thing in the morning, which is what it's probably about, rather than imaginary H&S concerns.
The guy who says things (presumably Mark Gale)...Funny how anyone who condones silly measures always thinks that those who don't condone them have "missed the point". The point is that other schools manage it fine and this one used to, that the school doesn't need to "keep an eye on that" as that's what the parents are doing, and that 5 year olds sometimes need a hug before being handed over. Of course, this stops parents badgering the teachers with all kinds of unnecessary badgering first thing in the morning, which is what it's probably about, rather than imaginary H&S concerns. Harold Larwood
  • Score: 26

1:30am Sat 6 Sep 14

toomush2drink says...

Im lost as to what the big deal is ? Our kids go to two different schools and both have this rule in place already, its not exactly a big deal.

Now look at the flip side, you have a parent insidethe grounds with another child and that child gets knocked over by an older pupil for example.Take one guess as to who the parent is going to sue or take legal action agaisnt ?
If it happens outside the school they arent responsible.

If you want to blame anyone blame those who claim/sue for anything and the lawyers who encourage it
Im lost as to what the big deal is ? Our kids go to two different schools and both have this rule in place already, its not exactly a big deal. Now look at the flip side, you have a parent insidethe grounds with another child and that child gets knocked over by an older pupil for example.Take one guess as to who the parent is going to sue or take legal action agaisnt ? If it happens outside the school they arent responsible. If you want to blame anyone blame those who claim/sue for anything and the lawyers who encourage it toomush2drink
  • Score: -12

9:37am Sat 6 Sep 14

claireclc says...

Wouldn't have bothered me as a kid... I got kicked out of the car sideways anyway.

Kids need to toughen up these days. None of this clinging to mummy business. Get your backside into school and do some blooming work. That was my parent's motto and it worked out very well for me in the long term.
Wouldn't have bothered me as a kid... I got kicked out of the car sideways anyway. Kids need to toughen up these days. None of this clinging to mummy business. Get your backside into school and do some blooming work. That was my parent's motto and it worked out very well for me in the long term. claireclc
  • Score: 2

10:49am Sat 6 Sep 14

The Guy Who Says Things says...

Harold Larwood, seriously, I think you've missed the point - once children are inside the school gates, they are the school's responsibility. It is not possible, particularly in the blame culture we have, for the school to guarantee the safety of the children while there are several hundred adults milling about.
If, for example, a strange adult took a child at this stage, the school would not be able to say "I thought the parents were keeping an eye on him?". It is a shame it has to be that way, but as much as people on here are doubting it, it is definitely to do with safety.
At the risk of repeating myself again... the children still get to say goodbye to their parents, just not inside the school grounds.

For the record, I've worked at around 50 London schools (most of them through supply work), and very few of them allow parents inside the school grounds in the morning.

Finally, I'm not Mark Gale, I don't know anything about him - I just put two and two together and made an assumption based on the school getting a negative Ofsted report then a new head.
Harold Larwood, seriously, I think you've missed the point - once children are inside the school gates, they are the school's responsibility. It is not possible, particularly in the blame culture we have, for the school to guarantee the safety of the children while there are several hundred adults milling about. If, for example, a strange adult took a child at this stage, the school would not be able to say "I thought the parents were keeping an eye on him?". It is a shame it has to be that way, but as much as people on here are doubting it, it is definitely to do with safety. At the risk of repeating myself again... the children still get to say goodbye to their parents, just not inside the school grounds. For the record, I've worked at around 50 London schools (most of them through supply work), and very few of them allow parents inside the school grounds in the morning. Finally, I'm not Mark Gale, I don't know anything about him - I just put two and two together and made an assumption based on the school getting a negative Ofsted report then a new head. The Guy Who Says Things
  • Score: -10

11:53am Sat 6 Sep 14

minter says...

claireclc wrote:
Wouldn't have bothered me as a kid... I got kicked out of the car sideways anyway.

Kids need to toughen up these days. None of this clinging to mummy business. Get your backside into school and do some blooming work. That was my parent's motto and it worked out very well for me in the long term.
well said i was caned at school secondary modern. when i got home me mum said serves you right had slipper on backside bent over in front of mixed class ect we walked a mile and a half to school.i had my 2 kids weekend office cleaning at 14 to get them used to getting up and earning money theve never been out of work or drawn dole
[quote][p][bold]claireclc[/bold] wrote: Wouldn't have bothered me as a kid... I got kicked out of the car sideways anyway. Kids need to toughen up these days. None of this clinging to mummy business. Get your backside into school and do some blooming work. That was my parent's motto and it worked out very well for me in the long term.[/p][/quote]well said i was caned at school secondary modern. when i got home me mum said serves you right had slipper on backside bent over in front of mixed class ect we walked a mile and a half to school.i had my 2 kids weekend office cleaning at 14 to get them used to getting up and earning money theve never been out of work or drawn dole minter
  • Score: 6

12:50pm Sat 6 Sep 14

white rabbit9 says...

minter wrote:
claireclc wrote:
Wouldn't have bothered me as a kid... I got kicked out of the car sideways anyway.

Kids need to toughen up these days. None of this clinging to mummy business. Get your backside into school and do some blooming work. That was my parent's motto and it worked out very well for me in the long term.
well said i was caned at school secondary modern. when i got home me mum said serves you right had slipper on backside bent over in front of mixed class ect we walked a mile and a half to school.i had my 2 kids weekend office cleaning at 14 to get them used to getting up and earning money theve never been out of work or drawn dole
Great so they never will know what life is all about. Life is not about giving the masters all what they want through our slave labour, it's about figuring out why we are here in the first place!

A working class hero is something to be. john lennon.
[quote][p][bold]minter[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]claireclc[/bold] wrote: Wouldn't have bothered me as a kid... I got kicked out of the car sideways anyway. Kids need to toughen up these days. None of this clinging to mummy business. Get your backside into school and do some blooming work. That was my parent's motto and it worked out very well for me in the long term.[/p][/quote]well said i was caned at school secondary modern. when i got home me mum said serves you right had slipper on backside bent over in front of mixed class ect we walked a mile and a half to school.i had my 2 kids weekend office cleaning at 14 to get them used to getting up and earning money theve never been out of work or drawn dole[/p][/quote]Great so they never will know what life is all about. Life is not about giving the masters all what they want through our slave labour, it's about figuring out why we are here in the first place! A working class hero is something to be. john lennon. white rabbit9
  • Score: 20

1:13pm Mon 8 Sep 14

claireclc says...

white rabbit9 wrote:
minter wrote:
claireclc wrote:
Wouldn't have bothered me as a kid... I got kicked out of the car sideways anyway.

Kids need to toughen up these days. None of this clinging to mummy business. Get your backside into school and do some blooming work. That was my parent's motto and it worked out very well for me in the long term.
well said i was caned at school secondary modern. when i got home me mum said serves you right had slipper on backside bent over in front of mixed class ect we walked a mile and a half to school.i had my 2 kids weekend office cleaning at 14 to get them used to getting up and earning money theve never been out of work or drawn dole
Great so they never will know what life is all about. Life is not about giving the masters all what they want through our slave labour, it's about figuring out why we are here in the first place!

A working class hero is something to be. john lennon.
Never know what life is all about? Enlighten me? I too went to work at 14 during evenings, weekends AND school holidays washing up in a cafe. I saved all my money in a pot and bought what I wanted without having to ask mummy and daddy for it. It's now 14 years later and I have a managerial job in Greenwich, a good salary, house in the 'burbs, two cars, a long term relationship, good friends, nice holidays and a great life - please do tell me where I went wrong?!
[quote][p][bold]white rabbit9[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]minter[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]claireclc[/bold] wrote: Wouldn't have bothered me as a kid... I got kicked out of the car sideways anyway. Kids need to toughen up these days. None of this clinging to mummy business. Get your backside into school and do some blooming work. That was my parent's motto and it worked out very well for me in the long term.[/p][/quote]well said i was caned at school secondary modern. when i got home me mum said serves you right had slipper on backside bent over in front of mixed class ect we walked a mile and a half to school.i had my 2 kids weekend office cleaning at 14 to get them used to getting up and earning money theve never been out of work or drawn dole[/p][/quote]Great so they never will know what life is all about. Life is not about giving the masters all what they want through our slave labour, it's about figuring out why we are here in the first place! A working class hero is something to be. john lennon.[/p][/quote]Never know what life is all about? Enlighten me? I too went to work at 14 during evenings, weekends AND school holidays washing up in a cafe. I saved all my money in a pot and bought what I wanted without having to ask mummy and daddy for it. It's now 14 years later and I have a managerial job in Greenwich, a good salary, house in the 'burbs, two cars, a long term relationship, good friends, nice holidays and a great life - please do tell me where I went wrong?! claireclc
  • Score: -24

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