The Bakerloo Line in Bromley and beyond: For or against?

The Bakerloo Line in Bromley and beyond: For or against?

The Bakerloo Line in Bromley and beyond: For or against?

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Plans to see the Bakerloo line extended to Bromley and beyond has divided residents. 

Boris Johnson's report, launched last week, suggests the line could continue down through New Cross, Lewisham, Catford, and Beckenham Junction, before dividing to travel onto Bromley and Hayes.

If the proposal goes ahead it is expected to be in place by 2040, with the potential for Hayes to get up to 15 trains per hour and Beckenham six.

News Shopper talked to some residents across the borough to find out what they think about the extension.

For:

Admin assistant Janet Green, 54, from Pickhurst Lane, Hayes, said: "I think it’s a good idea. I would probably use it to get into London.

"It’s a difficult commute – I think it’d help that. I go up to London to go shopping and to the theatre and it’d be another option."

Retired banker Andrew Mackay, 55, from Farnborough, told News Shopper: "I commuted from Beckenham for over 10 years and I think the bottom line is we need more services – this would be a good investment.

"I like trains but lines are overcrowded and some are too slow. The roads are full. There are too many people. Anything to ease congestion is positive, it’s a no brainer."

Graphic designer Gary Cordery, 46, who lives close to Shortlands train station, said: "I think it’s a good thing.

"North London gets all the best transport links. It would be nice to have services improved here."

Luke Tetlow and Harry Harding, both 11, are set to start Hayes Secondary School in September and will be 37 by 2040.

Luke said: "We’ll probably be working in London – I think it would be a positive thing.

"It would be a nice way to get to work. It would make the trains less busy."

Harry added: "I think it would be worth the money. The Tube is very direct."

Carol Coleman, a nurse at the Princess Royal University Hospital who lives in Eden Park, said: "The Tube extension would be great for the local area. South London has had poor transport links for far too long.

"But the plans are a long way off so I’ll believe it when I see it!"

Against:

Former firefighter Colin Hathaway, 53, of New Beckenham, remarked: "There are overground trains that do the job.

"I don’t think this is a good idea at all – I wouldn’t use it. I think the money would be better spent in other ways.

"Why not expand the trams and get them to Bromley?"

Chef Joe Webb, 44, from Beckenham Junction, added: "I commute to London everyday and I cycle. It’s the quickest way.

"The trains are unreliable and the Tube is the same. It’s all overcrowded. If I go into London to go out I get the train, how would the Tube improve that?

"I don’t see how it can be justified considering the money."

Receptionist Stella Shand lives in Bexleyheath but works in Hayes and said: "I don’t think I would use the Tube.

"The overground is okay as it is. How long would the Tube take? Would it even be any quicker?"

Financial reporting manager Allan Robbins, from Hayes, simply said: "Hope this doesn’t happen - will be a nightmare."

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The project comes alongside a number of plans to the capital, which is forecasted to be home to 11 million people by 2050.

The mayor says a 70 per cent increase in public transport is needed as more people arrive, warning that forecasts show the current network "will become increasingly crowded and that more spending will be needed".

The plan is now open for consultation until October 31.

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9:08am Tue 5 Aug 14

Eagles_Man says...

Bakerloo Line to Hayes is daft. £2bn for smaller trains that have to make more stops? Sorry Boris, you could spend a fraction of that bringing the trams and/or the DLR to Bromley.
Bakerloo Line to Hayes is daft. £2bn for smaller trains that have to make more stops? Sorry Boris, you could spend a fraction of that bringing the trams and/or the DLR to Bromley. Eagles_Man
  • Score: 3

10:44am Tue 5 Aug 14

Gypo.Joe says...

I can only see this bringing in lower class riff raff into OUR borough from the jungle that is inner Lahndan.
I can only see this bringing in lower class riff raff into OUR borough from the jungle that is inner Lahndan. Gypo.Joe
  • Score: 4

4:23pm Tue 5 Aug 14

Lukeyboy says...

2040!!?? bit of a way off to worry about it now.
2040!!?? bit of a way off to worry about it now. Lukeyboy
  • Score: 3

9:22am Wed 6 Aug 14

goldenbroomboy says...

Eagles_Man wrote:
Bakerloo Line to Hayes is daft. £2bn for smaller trains that have to make more stops? Sorry Boris, you could spend a fraction of that bringing the trams and/or the DLR to Bromley.
That is what some of us argued in the earlier thread, for which we were down voted & accused of wanting to be Pop Larkin.
[quote][p][bold]Eagles_Man[/bold] wrote: Bakerloo Line to Hayes is daft. £2bn for smaller trains that have to make more stops? Sorry Boris, you could spend a fraction of that bringing the trams and/or the DLR to Bromley.[/p][/quote]That is what some of us argued in the earlier thread, for which we were down voted & accused of wanting to be Pop Larkin. goldenbroomboy
  • Score: 0

3:53am Fri 8 Aug 14

oBLiVioN 70 says...

Leaving aside the fact that this topic has fully run its course, what some people don't understand when they complain about smaller trains is that they are actually after and have more capacity on busy commuter routes.

1 mainline train of 12 cars every 10 minutes hitting a maximum speed of 60mph (an example but average line speed isn't that far off) is not going to have the capacity of 3 to 4 tube trains in the same time frame, and despite having a lower top speed of 50mph the greatly increased acceleration and braking abilities will correct that not tormenting that these trains are designed for short dwell times at stations.

I've used many commuter services from living in many places and like most people, I found mainline trains by far the most comfortable, but also the least suitable for busy commuter lines.

Try a comparison of Ilford to Stratford, the central line takes a longer route from gants hill by over 2 miles and stops at 1 extra station but only takes 3 minutes longer than national rail.

I fully understand why people of Bromley might not want better transport from London, but that is itself an admission the tube would provide a better service.

Frankly, the people that say it would provide an inferior service are either idiots or have a hidden agenda.
Leaving aside the fact that this topic has fully run its course, what some people don't understand when they complain about smaller trains is that they are actually after and have more capacity on busy commuter routes. 1 mainline train of 12 cars every 10 minutes hitting a maximum speed of 60mph (an example but average line speed isn't that far off) is not going to have the capacity of 3 to 4 tube trains in the same time frame, and despite having a lower top speed of 50mph the greatly increased acceleration and braking abilities will correct that not tormenting that these trains are designed for short dwell times at stations. I've used many commuter services from living in many places and like most people, I found mainline trains by far the most comfortable, but also the least suitable for busy commuter lines. Try a comparison of Ilford to Stratford, the central line takes a longer route from gants hill by over 2 miles and stops at 1 extra station but only takes 3 minutes longer than national rail. I fully understand why people of Bromley might not want better transport from London, but that is itself an admission the tube would provide a better service. Frankly, the people that say it would provide an inferior service are either idiots or have a hidden agenda. oBLiVioN 70
  • Score: 1

3:58am Fri 8 Aug 14

oBLiVioN 70 says...

oBLiVioN 70 wrote:
Leaving aside the fact that this topic has fully run its course, what some people don't understand when they complain about smaller trains is that they are actually after and have more capacity on busy commuter routes. 1 mainline train of 12 cars every 10 minutes hitting a maximum speed of 60mph (an example but average line speed isn't that far off) is not going to have the capacity of 3 to 4 tube trains in the same time frame, and despite having a lower top speed of 50mph the greatly increased acceleration and braking abilities will correct that not tormenting that these trains are designed for short dwell times at stations. I've used many commuter services from living in many places and like most people, I found mainline trains by far the most comfortable, but also the least suitable for busy commuter lines. Try a comparison of Ilford to Stratford, the central line takes a longer route from gants hill by over 2 miles and stops at 1 extra station but only takes 3 minutes longer than national rail. I fully understand why people of Bromley might not want better transport from London, but that is itself an admission the tube would provide a better service. Frankly, the people that say it would provide an inferior service are either idiots or have a hidden agenda.
For after read faster.

Tormenting... Hmm that's forgetting.

Gotta love auto correct, of course I could take a bit more care.....
[quote][p][bold]oBLiVioN 70[/bold] wrote: Leaving aside the fact that this topic has fully run its course, what some people don't understand when they complain about smaller trains is that they are actually after and have more capacity on busy commuter routes. 1 mainline train of 12 cars every 10 minutes hitting a maximum speed of 60mph (an example but average line speed isn't that far off) is not going to have the capacity of 3 to 4 tube trains in the same time frame, and despite having a lower top speed of 50mph the greatly increased acceleration and braking abilities will correct that not tormenting that these trains are designed for short dwell times at stations. I've used many commuter services from living in many places and like most people, I found mainline trains by far the most comfortable, but also the least suitable for busy commuter lines. Try a comparison of Ilford to Stratford, the central line takes a longer route from gants hill by over 2 miles and stops at 1 extra station but only takes 3 minutes longer than national rail. I fully understand why people of Bromley might not want better transport from London, but that is itself an admission the tube would provide a better service. Frankly, the people that say it would provide an inferior service are either idiots or have a hidden agenda.[/p][/quote]For after read faster. Tormenting... Hmm that's forgetting. Gotta love auto correct, of course I could take a bit more care..... oBLiVioN 70
  • Score: 0

3:43pm Fri 8 Aug 14

oBLiVioN 70 says...

Just wanted to clarify my above post. It's up to the people of Bromley and it might be in their interests to avoid the tube reaching them but that's for them to decide.

I just do not buy the argument that it's not going to offer an improved service. Show me a mainline service that can offer 34 trains per hour without being new or extensively upgraded and I'll change my opinion.
Just wanted to clarify my above post. It's up to the people of Bromley and it might be in their interests to avoid the tube reaching them but that's for them to decide. I just do not buy the argument that it's not going to offer an improved service. Show me a mainline service that can offer 34 trains per hour without being new or extensively upgraded and I'll change my opinion. oBLiVioN 70
  • Score: 1

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