Could the Bakerloo line be finally coming to Lewisham and Bromley boroughs?

London Underground could finally one day arrive in Bromley and Lewisham

London Underground could finally one day arrive in Bromley and Lewisham

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The speculation around a possible extension of the Bakerloo line into Lewisham and Bromley boroughs was refuelled today (July 30).

Boris Johnson teased News Shopper about prospective additions to London’s transport in the deep south while visiting the borough last week.

And today the Mayor of London launched the London Infrastructure Plan 2050, detailing some of what Transport for London has in the pipeline.

It suggests the line, which currently ends at Elephant and Castle, could continue down through New Cross, Lewisham, Catford, Beckenham Junction, and finally Hayes. 

However, if south-east London really is to be put on the Tube map it will have to wait – with the project scheduled for as far away as 2040.

A spokesperson for the mayor said: "The mayor believes that south London deserves greater investment in transport infrastructure which is why he is seeking more control over suburban rail services, working to improve the tram network and exploring the possibility of extending the Bakerloo Line. 

"Several routes are being reviewed, including options via the Old Kent Road or Camberwell. Where the Bakerloo line is extended to and its exact alignment depends on the outcome of discussions with the relevant boroughs and consultation with local people."

News Shopper: Possible Bakerloo line extension for the Tube

What a new Bakerloo Line could bring to south-east London - map by City Hall

The plan is now open for consultation until October 31.

Would you like to see the Tube in your neck of the woods? Comment below or get in touch at newsroom@newsshopper.co.uk / @joshbythesea

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Bromley and Lewisham on the Bakerloo Tube line - 10 other things bound to happen by 2040

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6:20pm Wed 30 Jul 14

Womblingbarnacle says...

I suggest all SE London MPs and politicians start fighting for this publicly now, along with the London Overground to Abbey Wood via Thamesmead.

There's no reason it will take 30 years. A new government could be elected that wants to crack on with infrastructure improvements, or they could be keen on giving more powers to future mayors who would then have the independence to get on and do it, which they lack right now.

Whatever happens se london politicians need to start being loud and pushing for it now. As otherwise the area will be overlooked again behind other areas that do fight and do get things.
I suggest all SE London MPs and politicians start fighting for this publicly now, along with the London Overground to Abbey Wood via Thamesmead. There's no reason it will take 30 years. A new government could be elected that wants to crack on with infrastructure improvements, or they could be keen on giving more powers to future mayors who would then have the independence to get on and do it, which they lack right now. Whatever happens se london politicians need to start being loud and pushing for it now. As otherwise the area will be overlooked again behind other areas that do fight and do get things. Womblingbarnacle
  • Score: 14

9:12pm Wed 30 Jul 14

oBLiVioN 70 says...

Taking the underground on to the Greenwich lines tracks from Surrey quays would actually be very simple but it would have to run to Dartford unless crossrail stopped all stations to Dartford.

That said, a spur to thamesmead and a new section of tunnel between Whitechapel and aldgate would have huge benefits, not least in relieving congestion on south eastern tracks in to London bridge.

Unless we all got together though, it's about as plausible as me still being alive if this extension is ever built.
Taking the underground on to the Greenwich lines tracks from Surrey quays would actually be very simple but it would have to run to Dartford unless crossrail stopped all stations to Dartford. That said, a spur to thamesmead and a new section of tunnel between Whitechapel and aldgate would have huge benefits, not least in relieving congestion on south eastern tracks in to London bridge. Unless we all got together though, it's about as plausible as me still being alive if this extension is ever built. oBLiVioN 70
  • Score: 8

10:51pm Wed 30 Jul 14

goldenbroomboy says...

Womblingbarnacle wrote:
I suggest all SE London MPs and politicians start fighting for this publicly now, along with the London Overground to Abbey Wood via Thamesmead.

There's no reason it will take 30 years. A new government could be elected that wants to crack on with infrastructure improvements, or they could be keen on giving more powers to future mayors who would then have the independence to get on and do it, which they lack right now.

Whatever happens se london politicians need to start being loud and pushing for it now. As otherwise the area will be overlooked again behind other areas that do fight and do get things.
Rubbish.

Bromley needs a direct line to London Bridge, not more slow train services to places already easily accessible by train & bus.

I am quite happy for Bromley to be ignored by Larndarn, that's why we still have fields & open spaces.
[quote][p][bold]Womblingbarnacle[/bold] wrote: I suggest all SE London MPs and politicians start fighting for this publicly now, along with the London Overground to Abbey Wood via Thamesmead. There's no reason it will take 30 years. A new government could be elected that wants to crack on with infrastructure improvements, or they could be keen on giving more powers to future mayors who would then have the independence to get on and do it, which they lack right now. Whatever happens se london politicians need to start being loud and pushing for it now. As otherwise the area will be overlooked again behind other areas that do fight and do get things.[/p][/quote]Rubbish. Bromley needs a direct line to London Bridge, not more slow train services to places already easily accessible by train & bus. I am quite happy for Bromley to be ignored by Larndarn, that's why we still have fields & open spaces. goldenbroomboy
  • Score: -6

11:24pm Wed 30 Jul 14

Councillor Nicholas Bennett says...

Bringing the Bakerloo Line to Hayes and West Wickham doesn't provide a better service than the one currently enjoyed. It removes the link to London Bridge and replaces full size trains with tube trains. Bromley Council supports the extension of the DLR to Bromley North or if too expensive the extension of the Overgrond from New Cross via a tunnel or flyover at Grove Park to Bromley North.
Bringing the Bakerloo Line to Hayes and West Wickham doesn't provide a better service than the one currently enjoyed. It removes the link to London Bridge and replaces full size trains with tube trains. Bromley Council supports the extension of the DLR to Bromley North or if too expensive the extension of the Overgrond from New Cross via a tunnel or flyover at Grove Park to Bromley North. Councillor Nicholas Bennett
  • Score: -4

11:52pm Wed 30 Jul 14

oBLiVioN 70 says...

Councillor Nicholas Bennett wrote:
Bringing the Bakerloo Line to Hayes and West Wickham doesn't provide a better service than the one currently enjoyed. It removes the link to London Bridge and replaces full size trains with tube trains. Bromley Council supports the extension of the DLR to Bromley North or if too expensive the extension of the Overgrond from New Cross via a tunnel or flyover at Grove Park to Bromley North.
What a bakerloo line extension should bring is more advanced signalling and more frequent trains which more than compensates for smaller trains.

The problem with national rail is the dated Victorian infrastructure that has been subjected to make do and mend for years and rarely sees any modernisation unless a new project requires it, changing trains at elephant and castle will be a minor inconvenience compared to having to wait ages for cancelled trains, people will actually have an idea when they will get to work without having to set off 30 minutes early just in case!

Really doesn't affect me but I know if Dartford had the option of the bakerloo line taking over the bexleyheath line, which has been proposed some years ago, I would be quite happy at the prospect.
[quote][p][bold]Councillor Nicholas Bennett[/bold] wrote: Bringing the Bakerloo Line to Hayes and West Wickham doesn't provide a better service than the one currently enjoyed. It removes the link to London Bridge and replaces full size trains with tube trains. Bromley Council supports the extension of the DLR to Bromley North or if too expensive the extension of the Overgrond from New Cross via a tunnel or flyover at Grove Park to Bromley North.[/p][/quote]What a bakerloo line extension should bring is more advanced signalling and more frequent trains which more than compensates for smaller trains. The problem with national rail is the dated Victorian infrastructure that has been subjected to make do and mend for years and rarely sees any modernisation unless a new project requires it, changing trains at elephant and castle will be a minor inconvenience compared to having to wait ages for cancelled trains, people will actually have an idea when they will get to work without having to set off 30 minutes early just in case! Really doesn't affect me but I know if Dartford had the option of the bakerloo line taking over the bexleyheath line, which has been proposed some years ago, I would be quite happy at the prospect. oBLiVioN 70
  • Score: 8

9:10am Thu 31 Jul 14

concerned.erith says...

We need better connections here in Bexley - Greenwich, Lewisham and Bromley all have better access. MORE HERE PLEASE.
We need better connections here in Bexley - Greenwich, Lewisham and Bromley all have better access. MORE HERE PLEASE. concerned.erith
  • Score: 13

10:08am Thu 31 Jul 14

jaimorjaria25 says...

This is an excellent idea for the upcoming town of Bromley. I think the major issue people have with this is the influx of people this may bring into Bromley and the further 'distancing' itself from Kent and into London. This is a generation gap opinion I think. Older people are used to Bromley being in Kent so want it to stay as it is, however, it needs to accepted we have been in London for the last 50 years. We need more frequent transport around the entire city, not just London Bridge. Having the Bakerloo line would enable people to get as far as north London by one train unlike now where changing in central London is a necessary hassle. However, this plan of 2040 is not thought through. Bromley town centre is currently undergoing massive changes, Bromley North is being redone now, Bromley South is undergoing changes with the new development being built and the Glades (now Intu Bromley) is having a massive redevelopment in a few years. Bromley is changing, and the introduction of the over ground to Bromley North or Bakerloo Line to Hayes will bring in the revenue and jobs needed to boost the borough a bit more. It needs to be accepted, Bromley is now in London and should be more incorporated into the capital.
This is an excellent idea for the upcoming town of Bromley. I think the major issue people have with this is the influx of people this may bring into Bromley and the further 'distancing' itself from Kent and into London. This is a generation gap opinion I think. Older people are used to Bromley being in Kent so want it to stay as it is, however, it needs to accepted we have been in London for the last 50 years. We need more frequent transport around the entire city, not just London Bridge. Having the Bakerloo line would enable people to get as far as north London by one train unlike now where changing in central London is a necessary hassle. However, this plan of 2040 is not thought through. Bromley town centre is currently undergoing massive changes, Bromley North is being redone now, Bromley South is undergoing changes with the new development being built and the Glades (now Intu Bromley) is having a massive redevelopment in a few years. Bromley is changing, and the introduction of the over ground to Bromley North or Bakerloo Line to Hayes will bring in the revenue and jobs needed to boost the borough a bit more. It needs to be accepted, Bromley is now in London and should be more incorporated into the capital. jaimorjaria25
  • Score: -1

10:09am Thu 31 Jul 14

jaimorjaria25 says...

I meant to include that the plans need to be brought forward so they come only a few years after Bromley's redevelopment
I meant to include that the plans need to be brought forward so they come only a few years after Bromley's redevelopment jaimorjaria25
  • Score: -2

1:49pm Thu 31 Jul 14

markylyons says...

This is long over due, SE London and north Kent have had no new transport infrastructure since the Victorian times.
Unfortunately I will be retired before this is put in to operation.
This is long over due, SE London and north Kent have had no new transport infrastructure since the Victorian times. Unfortunately I will be retired before this is put in to operation. markylyons
  • Score: 1

2:26pm Thu 31 Jul 14

jaimorjaria25 says...

markylyons wrote:
This is long over due, SE London and north Kent have had no new transport infrastructure since the Victorian times.
Unfortunately I will be retired before this is put in to operation.
That's why we need to fight for this to be brought forward to be in line with Bromley's redevelopment.
[quote][p][bold]markylyons[/bold] wrote: This is long over due, SE London and north Kent have had no new transport infrastructure since the Victorian times. Unfortunately I will be retired before this is put in to operation.[/p][/quote]That's why we need to fight for this to be brought forward to be in line with Bromley's redevelopment. jaimorjaria25
  • Score: -4

6:58pm Thu 31 Jul 14

Councillor Nicholas Bennett says...

Pity the picture shows a District Line full size train rather than a tube train. Passengers for the Bakerloo and north of Charing Cross can get the train at Charing Cross. Losing the service to London Bridge and Waterloo will hit many of my constituents. Such a link doesn't provide the sort of new links which an Overground extension from New Cross to Bromley North would provide.
Pity the picture shows a District Line full size train rather than a tube train. Passengers for the Bakerloo and north of Charing Cross can get the train at Charing Cross. Losing the service to London Bridge and Waterloo will hit many of my constituents. Such a link doesn't provide the sort of new links which an Overground extension from New Cross to Bromley North would provide. Councillor Nicholas Bennett
  • Score: 4

10:41am Fri 1 Aug 14

goldenbroomboy says...

jaimorjaria25 wrote:
This is an excellent idea for the upcoming town of Bromley. I think the major issue people have with this is the influx of people this may bring into Bromley and the further 'distancing' itself from Kent and into London. This is a generation gap opinion I think. Older people are used to Bromley being in Kent so want it to stay as it is, however, it needs to accepted we have been in London for the last 50 years. We need more frequent transport around the entire city, not just London Bridge. Having the Bakerloo line would enable people to get as far as north London by one train unlike now where changing in central London is a necessary hassle. However, this plan of 2040 is not thought through. Bromley town centre is currently undergoing massive changes, Bromley North is being redone now, Bromley South is undergoing changes with the new development being built and the Glades (now Intu Bromley) is having a massive redevelopment in a few years. Bromley is changing, and the introduction of the over ground to Bromley North or Bakerloo Line to Hayes will bring in the revenue and jobs needed to boost the borough a bit more. It needs to be accepted, Bromley is now in London and should be more incorporated into the capital.
More rubbish.

South Eastern Greater London is hardly a neglected backwater! Greater London is a region not a city, and transport is needed from the outskirts into the City & the West End, not across the entire region How many people need to cross from Orpington to Pinner every day? If I needed to get from Bromley to Harrow I would use a fast train from Bromley to London Victoria, the LU to Baker Street, & then a fast Met Line. The thought of sitting on a slow Bakerloo train slogging it's way for hours through through such delights as Harlesden, & Stonebridge Park is less appealing than sitting in a dentists waiting room awaiting a root filling.

As for Bromley being "upcoming", that is plain daft. Abbey Wood perhaps, not Bromley.
[quote][p][bold]jaimorjaria25[/bold] wrote: This is an excellent idea for the upcoming town of Bromley. I think the major issue people have with this is the influx of people this may bring into Bromley and the further 'distancing' itself from Kent and into London. This is a generation gap opinion I think. Older people are used to Bromley being in Kent so want it to stay as it is, however, it needs to accepted we have been in London for the last 50 years. We need more frequent transport around the entire city, not just London Bridge. Having the Bakerloo line would enable people to get as far as north London by one train unlike now where changing in central London is a necessary hassle. However, this plan of 2040 is not thought through. Bromley town centre is currently undergoing massive changes, Bromley North is being redone now, Bromley South is undergoing changes with the new development being built and the Glades (now Intu Bromley) is having a massive redevelopment in a few years. Bromley is changing, and the introduction of the over ground to Bromley North or Bakerloo Line to Hayes will bring in the revenue and jobs needed to boost the borough a bit more. It needs to be accepted, Bromley is now in London and should be more incorporated into the capital.[/p][/quote]More rubbish. South Eastern Greater London is hardly a neglected backwater! Greater London is a region not a city, and transport is needed from the outskirts into the City & the West End, not across the entire region How many people need to cross from Orpington to Pinner every day? If I needed to get from Bromley to Harrow I would use a fast train from Bromley to London Victoria, the LU to Baker Street, & then a fast Met Line. The thought of sitting on a slow Bakerloo train slogging it's way for hours through through such delights as Harlesden, & Stonebridge Park is less appealing than sitting in a dentists waiting room awaiting a root filling. As for Bromley being "upcoming", that is plain daft. Abbey Wood perhaps, not Bromley. goldenbroomboy
  • Score: -4

11:15am Fri 1 Aug 14

oBLiVioN 70 says...

Councillor Nicholas Bennett wrote:
Pity the picture shows a District Line full size train rather than a tube train. Passengers for the Bakerloo and north of Charing Cross can get the train at Charing Cross. Losing the service to London Bridge and Waterloo will hit many of my constituents. Such a link doesn't provide the sort of new links which an Overground extension from New Cross to Bromley North would provide.
Even though it will stop at new cross?

The advantages tube trains have are better acceleration and braking over short distances which when combined with more door space allowing shorter dwell times should speed up journeys on that route. I would have thought more frequent trains as well would compensate those that have to change at new cross or Lewisham.

Also don't forget that overground trains are limited in length and there would be problems running them frequently enough to provide needed capacity (due to them being shorter) on that section of track at peak times as they would bottleneck through the main section.
[quote][p][bold]Councillor Nicholas Bennett[/bold] wrote: Pity the picture shows a District Line full size train rather than a tube train. Passengers for the Bakerloo and north of Charing Cross can get the train at Charing Cross. Losing the service to London Bridge and Waterloo will hit many of my constituents. Such a link doesn't provide the sort of new links which an Overground extension from New Cross to Bromley North would provide.[/p][/quote]Even though it will stop at new cross? The advantages tube trains have are better acceleration and braking over short distances which when combined with more door space allowing shorter dwell times should speed up journeys on that route. I would have thought more frequent trains as well would compensate those that have to change at new cross or Lewisham. Also don't forget that overground trains are limited in length and there would be problems running them frequently enough to provide needed capacity (due to them being shorter) on that section of track at peak times as they would bottleneck through the main section. oBLiVioN 70
  • Score: 0

2:38pm Fri 1 Aug 14

jaimorjaria25 says...

goldenbroomboy wrote:
jaimorjaria25 wrote:
This is an excellent idea for the upcoming town of Bromley. I think the major issue people have with this is the influx of people this may bring into Bromley and the further 'distancing' itself from Kent and into London. This is a generation gap opinion I think. Older people are used to Bromley being in Kent so want it to stay as it is, however, it needs to accepted we have been in London for the last 50 years. We need more frequent transport around the entire city, not just London Bridge. Having the Bakerloo line would enable people to get as far as north London by one train unlike now where changing in central London is a necessary hassle. However, this plan of 2040 is not thought through. Bromley town centre is currently undergoing massive changes, Bromley North is being redone now, Bromley South is undergoing changes with the new development being built and the Glades (now Intu Bromley) is having a massive redevelopment in a few years. Bromley is changing, and the introduction of the over ground to Bromley North or Bakerloo Line to Hayes will bring in the revenue and jobs needed to boost the borough a bit more. It needs to be accepted, Bromley is now in London and should be more incorporated into the capital.
More rubbish.

South Eastern Greater London is hardly a neglected backwater! Greater London is a region not a city, and transport is needed from the outskirts into the City & the West End, not across the entire region How many people need to cross from Orpington to Pinner every day? If I needed to get from Bromley to Harrow I would use a fast train from Bromley to London Victoria, the LU to Baker Street, & then a fast Met Line. The thought of sitting on a slow Bakerloo train slogging it's way for hours through through such delights as Harlesden, & Stonebridge Park is less appealing than sitting in a dentists waiting room awaiting a root filling.

As for Bromley being "upcoming", that is plain daft. Abbey Wood perhaps, not Bromley.
Just because you don't have to commute to north London everyday does not mean other people wont. South Eastern trains from Bromley are a nightmare, constantly delayed or cancelled. Take this morning for example, I was delayed by half an hour causing me to arrive at work late. Tube trains wont have so much of an issue regarding this as they are more frequent and the tracks newer. As for your comment saying Bromley isn't upcoming, your denying facts, the entire town centre is being redone more or less, this will create jobs and bring money into the borough. How is this not upcoming?! you my friend are stuck in the old times, get used to the present stop trying to live 50 years ago. If you want to live in Kent move away from Bromley.
[quote][p][bold]goldenbroomboy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jaimorjaria25[/bold] wrote: This is an excellent idea for the upcoming town of Bromley. I think the major issue people have with this is the influx of people this may bring into Bromley and the further 'distancing' itself from Kent and into London. This is a generation gap opinion I think. Older people are used to Bromley being in Kent so want it to stay as it is, however, it needs to accepted we have been in London for the last 50 years. We need more frequent transport around the entire city, not just London Bridge. Having the Bakerloo line would enable people to get as far as north London by one train unlike now where changing in central London is a necessary hassle. However, this plan of 2040 is not thought through. Bromley town centre is currently undergoing massive changes, Bromley North is being redone now, Bromley South is undergoing changes with the new development being built and the Glades (now Intu Bromley) is having a massive redevelopment in a few years. Bromley is changing, and the introduction of the over ground to Bromley North or Bakerloo Line to Hayes will bring in the revenue and jobs needed to boost the borough a bit more. It needs to be accepted, Bromley is now in London and should be more incorporated into the capital.[/p][/quote]More rubbish. South Eastern Greater London is hardly a neglected backwater! Greater London is a region not a city, and transport is needed from the outskirts into the City & the West End, not across the entire region How many people need to cross from Orpington to Pinner every day? If I needed to get from Bromley to Harrow I would use a fast train from Bromley to London Victoria, the LU to Baker Street, & then a fast Met Line. The thought of sitting on a slow Bakerloo train slogging it's way for hours through through such delights as Harlesden, & Stonebridge Park is less appealing than sitting in a dentists waiting room awaiting a root filling. As for Bromley being "upcoming", that is plain daft. Abbey Wood perhaps, not Bromley.[/p][/quote]Just because you don't have to commute to north London everyday does not mean other people wont. South Eastern trains from Bromley are a nightmare, constantly delayed or cancelled. Take this morning for example, I was delayed by half an hour causing me to arrive at work late. Tube trains wont have so much of an issue regarding this as they are more frequent and the tracks newer. As for your comment saying Bromley isn't upcoming, your denying facts, the entire town centre is being redone more or less, this will create jobs and bring money into the borough. How is this not upcoming?! you my friend are stuck in the old times, get used to the present stop trying to live 50 years ago. If you want to live in Kent move away from Bromley. jaimorjaria25
  • Score: 4

3:01pm Fri 1 Aug 14

ความจริง says...

Why are the Boroughs of Greenwich and Bexley overlooked? There has been no real investment in decades with the exception of the Jubilee Line to North Greenwich and the DLR to Woolwich. Also the Overgound extension went SW at New Cross!
Why is it that the Ditrict line goes out as far as Upminster to the East and the Metropolitan line ends in Amersham to the NW! All this talk of the Geographical issues (i.e. The ground in South East London is too hard to tunnel) is old hat as there are far superior tunelling machines available today. Come on Boris, remove your head from your ar$e and put your money where your mouth is.
Why are the Boroughs of Greenwich and Bexley overlooked? There has been no real investment in decades with the exception of the Jubilee Line to North Greenwich and the DLR to Woolwich. Also the Overgound extension went SW at New Cross! Why is it that the Ditrict line goes out as far as Upminster to the East and the Metropolitan line ends in Amersham to the NW! All this talk of the Geographical issues (i.e. The ground in South East London is too hard to tunnel) is old hat as there are far superior tunelling machines available today. Come on Boris, remove your head from your ar$e and put your money where your mouth is. ความจริง
  • Score: 10

3:38pm Fri 1 Aug 14

oBLiVioN 70 says...

ความจร
wrote:
Why are the Boroughs of Greenwich and Bexley overlooked? There has been no real investment in decades with the exception of the Jubilee Line to North Greenwich and the DLR to Woolwich. Also the Overgound extension went SW at New Cross!
Why is it that the Ditrict line goes out as far as Upminster to the East and the Metropolitan line ends in Amersham to the NW! All this talk of the Geographical issues (i.e. The ground in South East London is too hard to tunnel) is old hat as there are far superior tunelling machines available today. Come on Boris, remove your head from your ar$e and put your money where your mouth is.
The metropolitan railway owned a lot of land which in turn made it quite a profitable venture, they also had ideas about becoming a national railway, the district also was competing quite actively in the east, it wasn't until just before ww2 that you had the expansion program and although it took over a lot of national rail track's trying to do anything now seems to get large numbers of people moaning.

Technology is now there, dlr extension east is viable and giving tfl control of local trains would improve things, it would all be relatively cheap but you can guarantee, as with tfl taking over southeastern, people will just moan that it's too disruptive or that it is ill thought out, and so progress now is always going to be slow.

Crossrail is a decades old idea that is finally being built.
[quote][p][bold]ความจร ง[/bold] wrote: Why are the Boroughs of Greenwich and Bexley overlooked? There has been no real investment in decades with the exception of the Jubilee Line to North Greenwich and the DLR to Woolwich. Also the Overgound extension went SW at New Cross! Why is it that the Ditrict line goes out as far as Upminster to the East and the Metropolitan line ends in Amersham to the NW! All this talk of the Geographical issues (i.e. The ground in South East London is too hard to tunnel) is old hat as there are far superior tunelling machines available today. Come on Boris, remove your head from your ar$e and put your money where your mouth is.[/p][/quote]The metropolitan railway owned a lot of land which in turn made it quite a profitable venture, they also had ideas about becoming a national railway, the district also was competing quite actively in the east, it wasn't until just before ww2 that you had the expansion program and although it took over a lot of national rail track's trying to do anything now seems to get large numbers of people moaning. Technology is now there, dlr extension east is viable and giving tfl control of local trains would improve things, it would all be relatively cheap but you can guarantee, as with tfl taking over southeastern, people will just moan that it's too disruptive or that it is ill thought out, and so progress now is always going to be slow. Crossrail is a decades old idea that is finally being built. oBLiVioN 70
  • Score: -2

7:03am Sat 2 Aug 14

goldenbroomboy says...

jaimorjaria25 wrote:
goldenbroomboy wrote:
jaimorjaria25 wrote:
This is an excellent idea for the upcoming town of Bromley. I think the major issue people have with this is the influx of people this may bring into Bromley and the further 'distancing' itself from Kent and into London. This is a generation gap opinion I think. Older people are used to Bromley being in Kent so want it to stay as it is, however, it needs to accepted we have been in London for the last 50 years. We need more frequent transport around the entire city, not just London Bridge. Having the Bakerloo line would enable people to get as far as north London by one train unlike now where changing in central London is a necessary hassle. However, this plan of 2040 is not thought through. Bromley town centre is currently undergoing massive changes, Bromley North is being redone now, Bromley South is undergoing changes with the new development being built and the Glades (now Intu Bromley) is having a massive redevelopment in a few years. Bromley is changing, and the introduction of the over ground to Bromley North or Bakerloo Line to Hayes will bring in the revenue and jobs needed to boost the borough a bit more. It needs to be accepted, Bromley is now in London and should be more incorporated into the capital.
More rubbish.

South Eastern Greater London is hardly a neglected backwater! Greater London is a region not a city, and transport is needed from the outskirts into the City & the West End, not across the entire region How many people need to cross from Orpington to Pinner every day? If I needed to get from Bromley to Harrow I would use a fast train from Bromley to London Victoria, the LU to Baker Street, & then a fast Met Line. The thought of sitting on a slow Bakerloo train slogging it's way for hours through through such delights as Harlesden, & Stonebridge Park is less appealing than sitting in a dentists waiting room awaiting a root filling.

As for Bromley being "upcoming", that is plain daft. Abbey Wood perhaps, not Bromley.
Just because you don't have to commute to north London everyday does not mean other people wont. South Eastern trains from Bromley are a nightmare, constantly delayed or cancelled. Take this morning for example, I was delayed by half an hour causing me to arrive at work late. Tube trains wont have so much of an issue regarding this as they are more frequent and the tracks newer. As for your comment saying Bromley isn't upcoming, your denying facts, the entire town centre is being redone more or less, this will create jobs and bring money into the borough. How is this not upcoming?! you my friend are stuck in the old times, get used to the present stop trying to live 50 years ago. If you want to live in Kent move away from Bromley.
It's not a question of sentiment or culture, it's a matter of logistics! Do you seriously think that an employer in Acton is going to want to take on somebody who lives a two hour suburban line tube journey away? In any event, if all these new jobs that you predict will become availiable, why would anybody from Bromley need to go to Norf Landan anyway?

Quite frankly it's you who need to move if you want to live near the tube!
[quote][p][bold]jaimorjaria25[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]goldenbroomboy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jaimorjaria25[/bold] wrote: This is an excellent idea for the upcoming town of Bromley. I think the major issue people have with this is the influx of people this may bring into Bromley and the further 'distancing' itself from Kent and into London. This is a generation gap opinion I think. Older people are used to Bromley being in Kent so want it to stay as it is, however, it needs to accepted we have been in London for the last 50 years. We need more frequent transport around the entire city, not just London Bridge. Having the Bakerloo line would enable people to get as far as north London by one train unlike now where changing in central London is a necessary hassle. However, this plan of 2040 is not thought through. Bromley town centre is currently undergoing massive changes, Bromley North is being redone now, Bromley South is undergoing changes with the new development being built and the Glades (now Intu Bromley) is having a massive redevelopment in a few years. Bromley is changing, and the introduction of the over ground to Bromley North or Bakerloo Line to Hayes will bring in the revenue and jobs needed to boost the borough a bit more. It needs to be accepted, Bromley is now in London and should be more incorporated into the capital.[/p][/quote]More rubbish. South Eastern Greater London is hardly a neglected backwater! Greater London is a region not a city, and transport is needed from the outskirts into the City & the West End, not across the entire region How many people need to cross from Orpington to Pinner every day? If I needed to get from Bromley to Harrow I would use a fast train from Bromley to London Victoria, the LU to Baker Street, & then a fast Met Line. The thought of sitting on a slow Bakerloo train slogging it's way for hours through through such delights as Harlesden, & Stonebridge Park is less appealing than sitting in a dentists waiting room awaiting a root filling. As for Bromley being "upcoming", that is plain daft. Abbey Wood perhaps, not Bromley.[/p][/quote]Just because you don't have to commute to north London everyday does not mean other people wont. South Eastern trains from Bromley are a nightmare, constantly delayed or cancelled. Take this morning for example, I was delayed by half an hour causing me to arrive at work late. Tube trains wont have so much of an issue regarding this as they are more frequent and the tracks newer. As for your comment saying Bromley isn't upcoming, your denying facts, the entire town centre is being redone more or less, this will create jobs and bring money into the borough. How is this not upcoming?! you my friend are stuck in the old times, get used to the present stop trying to live 50 years ago. If you want to live in Kent move away from Bromley.[/p][/quote]It's not a question of sentiment or culture, it's a matter of logistics! Do you seriously think that an employer in Acton is going to want to take on somebody who lives a two hour suburban line tube journey away? In any event, if all these new jobs that you predict will become availiable, why would anybody from Bromley need to go to Norf Landan anyway? Quite frankly it's you who need to move if you want to live near the tube! goldenbroomboy
  • Score: -3

9:56am Mon 4 Aug 14

jaimorjaria25 says...

goldenbroomboy wrote:
jaimorjaria25 wrote:
goldenbroomboy wrote:
jaimorjaria25 wrote:
This is an excellent idea for the upcoming town of Bromley. I think the major issue people have with this is the influx of people this may bring into Bromley and the further 'distancing' itself from Kent and into London. This is a generation gap opinion I think. Older people are used to Bromley being in Kent so want it to stay as it is, however, it needs to accepted we have been in London for the last 50 years. We need more frequent transport around the entire city, not just London Bridge. Having the Bakerloo line would enable people to get as far as north London by one train unlike now where changing in central London is a necessary hassle. However, this plan of 2040 is not thought through. Bromley town centre is currently undergoing massive changes, Bromley North is being redone now, Bromley South is undergoing changes with the new development being built and the Glades (now Intu Bromley) is having a massive redevelopment in a few years. Bromley is changing, and the introduction of the over ground to Bromley North or Bakerloo Line to Hayes will bring in the revenue and jobs needed to boost the borough a bit more. It needs to be accepted, Bromley is now in London and should be more incorporated into the capital.
More rubbish.

South Eastern Greater London is hardly a neglected backwater! Greater London is a region not a city, and transport is needed from the outskirts into the City & the West End, not across the entire region How many people need to cross from Orpington to Pinner every day? If I needed to get from Bromley to Harrow I would use a fast train from Bromley to London Victoria, the LU to Baker Street, & then a fast Met Line. The thought of sitting on a slow Bakerloo train slogging it's way for hours through through such delights as Harlesden, & Stonebridge Park is less appealing than sitting in a dentists waiting room awaiting a root filling.

As for Bromley being "upcoming", that is plain daft. Abbey Wood perhaps, not Bromley.
Just because you don't have to commute to north London everyday does not mean other people wont. South Eastern trains from Bromley are a nightmare, constantly delayed or cancelled. Take this morning for example, I was delayed by half an hour causing me to arrive at work late. Tube trains wont have so much of an issue regarding this as they are more frequent and the tracks newer. As for your comment saying Bromley isn't upcoming, your denying facts, the entire town centre is being redone more or less, this will create jobs and bring money into the borough. How is this not upcoming?! you my friend are stuck in the old times, get used to the present stop trying to live 50 years ago. If you want to live in Kent move away from Bromley.
It's not a question of sentiment or culture, it's a matter of logistics! Do you seriously think that an employer in Acton is going to want to take on somebody who lives a two hour suburban line tube journey away? In any event, if all these new jobs that you predict will become availiable, why would anybody from Bromley need to go to Norf Landan anyway?

Quite frankly it's you who need to move if you want to live near the tube!
People do go to north London to work, I know a fair few who do. And those jobs would be available for those people looking to work. There are people who commute to north London, why should they have to give up their jobs to work in Bromley, just so your point becomes valid. Bromley is Greater London, we deserve the tube as much as any other borough, so why fight it?
[quote][p][bold]goldenbroomboy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jaimorjaria25[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]goldenbroomboy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jaimorjaria25[/bold] wrote: This is an excellent idea for the upcoming town of Bromley. I think the major issue people have with this is the influx of people this may bring into Bromley and the further 'distancing' itself from Kent and into London. This is a generation gap opinion I think. Older people are used to Bromley being in Kent so want it to stay as it is, however, it needs to accepted we have been in London for the last 50 years. We need more frequent transport around the entire city, not just London Bridge. Having the Bakerloo line would enable people to get as far as north London by one train unlike now where changing in central London is a necessary hassle. However, this plan of 2040 is not thought through. Bromley town centre is currently undergoing massive changes, Bromley North is being redone now, Bromley South is undergoing changes with the new development being built and the Glades (now Intu Bromley) is having a massive redevelopment in a few years. Bromley is changing, and the introduction of the over ground to Bromley North or Bakerloo Line to Hayes will bring in the revenue and jobs needed to boost the borough a bit more. It needs to be accepted, Bromley is now in London and should be more incorporated into the capital.[/p][/quote]More rubbish. South Eastern Greater London is hardly a neglected backwater! Greater London is a region not a city, and transport is needed from the outskirts into the City & the West End, not across the entire region How many people need to cross from Orpington to Pinner every day? If I needed to get from Bromley to Harrow I would use a fast train from Bromley to London Victoria, the LU to Baker Street, & then a fast Met Line. The thought of sitting on a slow Bakerloo train slogging it's way for hours through through such delights as Harlesden, & Stonebridge Park is less appealing than sitting in a dentists waiting room awaiting a root filling. As for Bromley being "upcoming", that is plain daft. Abbey Wood perhaps, not Bromley.[/p][/quote]Just because you don't have to commute to north London everyday does not mean other people wont. South Eastern trains from Bromley are a nightmare, constantly delayed or cancelled. Take this morning for example, I was delayed by half an hour causing me to arrive at work late. Tube trains wont have so much of an issue regarding this as they are more frequent and the tracks newer. As for your comment saying Bromley isn't upcoming, your denying facts, the entire town centre is being redone more or less, this will create jobs and bring money into the borough. How is this not upcoming?! you my friend are stuck in the old times, get used to the present stop trying to live 50 years ago. If you want to live in Kent move away from Bromley.[/p][/quote]It's not a question of sentiment or culture, it's a matter of logistics! Do you seriously think that an employer in Acton is going to want to take on somebody who lives a two hour suburban line tube journey away? In any event, if all these new jobs that you predict will become availiable, why would anybody from Bromley need to go to Norf Landan anyway? Quite frankly it's you who need to move if you want to live near the tube![/p][/quote]People do go to north London to work, I know a fair few who do. And those jobs would be available for those people looking to work. There are people who commute to north London, why should they have to give up their jobs to work in Bromley, just so your point becomes valid. Bromley is Greater London, we deserve the tube as much as any other borough, so why fight it? jaimorjaria25
  • Score: 2

11:03pm Thu 7 Aug 14

JamesViktor says...

concerned.erith wrote:
We need better connections here in Bexley - Greenwich, Lewisham and Bromley all have better access. MORE HERE PLEASE.
I live in Bexley too and all I want to say is they don't really care about us.
[quote][p][bold]concerned.erith[/bold] wrote: We need better connections here in Bexley - Greenwich, Lewisham and Bromley all have better access. MORE HERE PLEASE.[/p][/quote]I live in Bexley too and all I want to say is they don't really care about us. JamesViktor
  • Score: 2

11:07pm Thu 7 Aug 14

JamesViktor says...

But seriously can't we start a petition or something? There were two petitions for the Old Kent Road and Camberwell branches and low and behold they're both in the plans! I'm sure most people who use Blackheath, Kidbrooke, Eltham, Falconwood, Welling, Bexleyheath, Barnehurst and/or Slade Green stations would sign it and that is a lot of people!
But seriously can't we start a petition or something? There were two petitions for the Old Kent Road and Camberwell branches and low and behold they're both in the plans! I'm sure most people who use Blackheath, Kidbrooke, Eltham, Falconwood, Welling, Bexleyheath, Barnehurst and/or Slade Green stations would sign it and that is a lot of people! JamesViktor
  • Score: 2

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