Public sector workers strike across News Shopper's patch

Strikers outside the Woolwich Centre today

Unison members picket the Civic Offices in Bexleyheath this morning.

Len McCluskey addresses strikers in Woolwich

Strikers at Ladywell Fields

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Schools across News Shopper’s patch are closed or disrupted today as teachers join council workers and firefighters for a national strike.

Dozens of nurseries, primary schools and secondary schools in Greenwich, Lewisham, Bromley and Bexley are closed or partially open.

In north Kent Northfleet School for Girls, West Hill Primary School in Dartford and Wrotham Road Primary School in Gravesend are all operating at less than full capacity.

Home helps, lollipop men and women, refuse collectors, librarians, dinner ladies, parks attendants, council road safety officers, caretakers and cleaners are among those striking alongside teachers, firefighters, civil servants and transport workers.

Council workers picketed offices in Bexleyheath, Woolwich and Gravesend.

Outside the Woolwich Centre, a large crowd of strikers gathered from a whole range of unions. There was even an address from firebrand Unite chief Len McCluskey who called for Labour to "get off the fence" on the issues affecting strikers.

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Len McCluskey in Woolwich. 

And he told the crowd: "Working people joining together can change things.

"The message being sent out right across our nation today is we're not prepared to tolerate this injustice any further."

Dave Turner from Unison told the crowd that council chief executive Mary Ney earned £100 an hour while an agency cleaner was on just £6.50.

He told News Shopper: "I think today really shows our support. We've got a lot of members who earn less than £15,000 a year.

"We're hoping for further action in September to force the government to give us a decent pay rise."

Caretaker David Hunt had joined the picket line early. He said: "We haven't had a pay rise for four years. Basically, everything's gone up and we've just stayed at a level which is not sustainable.

"For instance, our housing association has just had a rent increase. It's getting harder and harder to pay for something like that."

Tim Woodcock, branch secretary for Greenwich NUT, told News Shopper: "I'm supporting our workers in Greenwich by visiting picket lines around the borough.

"It's important we take strike action to stick up for our teachers."

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Strikers outside the Civic Offices in Bexleyheath. 

Gravesham Council Unison branch secretary Jackie Denton said: "Local government workers have kept on going in the face of four years of draconian government cuts to keep local services running.

"In Gravesham community cohesion is particularly important to us. 

"We have a very diverse community and despite cuts we continue to provide free leisure events throughout the year to bring our community together and want to continue doing this.

"We are also proud to be rolling out a new recycling scheme in the borough.

"Taking strike action is never easy and our members are sending a clear message to the Government that they have had enough."

In total, more than a million people are taking part in the one-day walkout as part of bitter disputes over pay, pensions, jobs and spending cuts.

The action has been hailed as the biggest strike over pay to hit the Government since it came to power in 2010.

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Click on the links to for information in which schools are closed in Greenwich, Lewisham and which Bromley primary and secondary schools are affected by strikes. 

Hundreds of administrative workers at Transport for London have downed tools in a row over pay and pensions.

Fire chiefs urged people to take extra care because of the walkout by members of the Fire Brigades Union in England and Wales between 10am and 7pm – the 15th round of industrial action in a long-running row over pensions and retirement age.

Hundreds of thousands of children are affected as more than 200,000 members of the National Union of Teachers (NUT) are thought to have taken part in the walkout.

The union's general secretary, Christine Blower, said: "We obviously think the strike will go very well, there will be many thousands of public sector workers out and that will affect a lot of schools.

"I've been getting messages from people saying that they are more determined now than they were in the past to take action.

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The picket line outside Gravesham Civic Offices this morning. 

"There are a thousand teachers in every constituency and politicians need to start listening and begin to put pressure on the Government themselves.”

The NUT's action, which focuses on three issues - pay, pensions and working conditions - has been condemned by the Department for Education (DfE), which said that it will hold back pupils' education.

The TUC has said public sector workers are on average more than £2,000 worse off under the Government, while half a million council employees earn less than the living wage.

A Cabinet Office spokesman said: "The vast majority of dedicated public sector workers did not vote for today's action, and early indications are that most are turning up for work as usual.

"It is disappointing that, once again, some union leaders have pushed for strike action that will achieve nothing and benefit no one.”

Are you striking today or do you have a view on the action being taken? Leave your comments below or send your thoughts and pictures to @NewsShopper on Twitter. 

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12:10pm Thu 10 Jul 14

kentlad says...

Are all the teachers who have taken a day off going to be fined? after all it is within school term time!
Are all the teachers who have taken a day off going to be fined? after all it is within school term time! kentlad
  • Score: 26

12:50pm Thu 10 Jul 14

sarfflondonbird says...

kentlad wrote:
Are all the teachers who have taken a day off going to be fined? after all it is within school term time!
Just what I was thinking this morning.
But on the other hand, good luck to them all. It's about time for a change in the way we are expected to live and survive in this country. While fat cats award themselves hefty bonus and commissions, others at the other end of the scale struggle enormously to put food on the table and pay the bills.
[quote][p][bold]kentlad[/bold] wrote: Are all the teachers who have taken a day off going to be fined? after all it is within school term time![/p][/quote]Just what I was thinking this morning. But on the other hand, good luck to them all. It's about time for a change in the way we are expected to live and survive in this country. While fat cats award themselves hefty bonus and commissions, others at the other end of the scale struggle enormously to put food on the table and pay the bills. sarfflondonbird
  • Score: 10

12:57pm Thu 10 Jul 14

SidcupResident says...

Unfortunately if you're a member of one of the big trade unions, you're also a Labour Party donor through the political levy on your membership fee.

However, you can opt-out of the political levy by downloading the opt-out form from your Union's website. Once completed hand it to your branch secretary.

Alternatively switch to a Union that doesn't support the Labour Party, such as Solidarity or Workers Of England.
Unfortunately if you're a member of one of the big trade unions, you're also a Labour Party donor through the political levy on your membership fee. However, you can opt-out of the political levy by downloading the opt-out form from your Union's website. Once completed hand it to your branch secretary. Alternatively switch to a Union that doesn't support the Labour Party, such as Solidarity or Workers Of England. SidcupResident
  • Score: 7

1:00pm Thu 10 Jul 14

Fenderstratocaster says...

Got my vote. Good on them.
Got my vote. Good on them. Fenderstratocaster
  • Score: -5

1:49pm Thu 10 Jul 14

PaulErith says...

I don't support any form of striking. Private sector generally doesn't strike and it's normal for extra hours and weekend working to be the norm despite minimal pay rises. They just get on with it.
I don't support any form of striking. Private sector generally doesn't strike and it's normal for extra hours and weekend working to be the norm despite minimal pay rises. They just get on with it. PaulErith
  • Score: 11

1:50pm Thu 10 Jul 14

BexResident says...

I work in the PRIVATE sector and for the third year running am not getting a pay rise. This is probably quite common in the private sector, but also a little known fact, as most people wrongly assume that private sector employees take home huge salaries. Unfortunately most private company employees do not have the luxury of unions so are unable to strike, we just have to up and shut up. It's a sad sign of the times and something myself and my colleagues have got used to, so maybe public sector workers should think themselves lucky for getting a 1% pay rise, something I would be VERY grateful to receive. Another thing, I think striking teachers should be fined the same amount that parents are who take their children out of school during term time, for refusing to work during term time, it's the school children who suffer.
I work in the PRIVATE sector and for the third year running am not getting a pay rise. This is probably quite common in the private sector, but also a little known fact, as most people wrongly assume that private sector employees take home huge salaries. Unfortunately most private company employees do not have the luxury of unions so are unable to strike, we just have to up and shut up. It's a sad sign of the times and something myself and my colleagues have got used to, so maybe public sector workers should think themselves lucky for getting a 1% pay rise, something I would be VERY grateful to receive. Another thing, I think striking teachers should be fined the same amount that parents are who take their children out of school during term time, for refusing to work during term time, it's the school children who suffer. BexResident
  • Score: 21

7:51am Fri 11 Jul 14

goldenbroomboy says...

BexResident wrote:
I work in the PRIVATE sector and for the third year running am not getting a pay rise. This is probably quite common in the private sector, but also a little known fact, as most people wrongly assume that private sector employees take home huge salaries. Unfortunately most private company employees do not have the luxury of unions so are unable to strike, we just have to up and shut up. It's a sad sign of the times and something myself and my colleagues have got used to, so maybe public sector workers should think themselves lucky for getting a 1% pay rise, something I would be VERY grateful to receive. Another thing, I think striking teachers should be fined the same amount that parents are who take their children out of school during term time, for refusing to work during term time, it's the school children who suffer.
Paul, not all strikes are over pay. Some are over working conditions. Anybody working in hazardous conditions who "just gets on with it" IMHO is a fool.
[quote][p][bold]BexResident[/bold] wrote: I work in the PRIVATE sector and for the third year running am not getting a pay rise. This is probably quite common in the private sector, but also a little known fact, as most people wrongly assume that private sector employees take home huge salaries. Unfortunately most private company employees do not have the luxury of unions so are unable to strike, we just have to up and shut up. It's a sad sign of the times and something myself and my colleagues have got used to, so maybe public sector workers should think themselves lucky for getting a 1% pay rise, something I would be VERY grateful to receive. Another thing, I think striking teachers should be fined the same amount that parents are who take their children out of school during term time, for refusing to work during term time, it's the school children who suffer.[/p][/quote]Paul, not all strikes are over pay. Some are over working conditions. Anybody working in hazardous conditions who "just gets on with it" IMHO is a fool. goldenbroomboy
  • Score: -7

7:55am Fri 11 Jul 14

goldenbroomboy says...

BexResident wrote:
I work in the PRIVATE sector and for the third year running am not getting a pay rise. This is probably quite common in the private sector, but also a little known fact, as most people wrongly assume that private sector employees take home huge salaries. Unfortunately most private company employees do not have the luxury of unions so are unable to strike, we just have to up and shut up. It's a sad sign of the times and something myself and my colleagues have got used to, so maybe public sector workers should think themselves lucky for getting a 1% pay rise, something I would be VERY grateful to receive. Another thing, I think striking teachers should be fined the same amount that parents are who take their children out of school during term time, for refusing to work during term time, it's the school children who suffer.
Apols, that should have been addressed to both Paul & yourself.
[quote][p][bold]BexResident[/bold] wrote: I work in the PRIVATE sector and for the third year running am not getting a pay rise. This is probably quite common in the private sector, but also a little known fact, as most people wrongly assume that private sector employees take home huge salaries. Unfortunately most private company employees do not have the luxury of unions so are unable to strike, we just have to up and shut up. It's a sad sign of the times and something myself and my colleagues have got used to, so maybe public sector workers should think themselves lucky for getting a 1% pay rise, something I would be VERY grateful to receive. Another thing, I think striking teachers should be fined the same amount that parents are who take their children out of school during term time, for refusing to work during term time, it's the school children who suffer.[/p][/quote]Apols, that should have been addressed to both Paul & yourself. goldenbroomboy
  • Score: 31

9:52am Fri 11 Jul 14

MsChevious says...

BexResident wrote:
I work in the PRIVATE sector and for the third year running am not getting a pay rise. This is probably quite common in the private sector, but also a little known fact, as most people wrongly assume that private sector employees take home huge salaries. Unfortunately most private company employees do not have the luxury of unions so are unable to strike, we just have to up and shut up. It's a sad sign of the times and something myself and my colleagues have got used to, so maybe public sector workers should think themselves lucky for getting a 1% pay rise, something I would be VERY grateful to receive. Another thing, I think striking teachers should be fined the same amount that parents are who take their children out of school during term time, for refusing to work during term time, it's the school children who suffer.
No, you're right. It's a race to the bottom and as long as someone else has it worse I shouldn't complain about pay cuts, increased hours, less sickness / maternity support, paying more into a pension to get less out of it and not getting anything at all until I'm about 85 anyway.... Yes, because some people have it worse means I should be grateful for my bowl of rats droppings.

From all the teachers & public sector workers I've spoken to their reasons for striking is not pay, actually, it's about the cuts to the services they provide. Most people work in public service because they believe in what they do, and to see it decimated by cut after cut after cut is heartbreaking.
[quote][p][bold]BexResident[/bold] wrote: I work in the PRIVATE sector and for the third year running am not getting a pay rise. This is probably quite common in the private sector, but also a little known fact, as most people wrongly assume that private sector employees take home huge salaries. Unfortunately most private company employees do not have the luxury of unions so are unable to strike, we just have to up and shut up. It's a sad sign of the times and something myself and my colleagues have got used to, so maybe public sector workers should think themselves lucky for getting a 1% pay rise, something I would be VERY grateful to receive. Another thing, I think striking teachers should be fined the same amount that parents are who take their children out of school during term time, for refusing to work during term time, it's the school children who suffer.[/p][/quote]No, you're right. It's a race to the bottom and as long as someone else has it worse I shouldn't complain about pay cuts, increased hours, less sickness / maternity support, paying more into a pension to get less out of it and not getting anything at all until I'm about 85 anyway.... Yes, because some people have it worse means I should be grateful for my bowl of rats droppings. From all the teachers & public sector workers I've spoken to their reasons for striking is not pay, actually, it's about the cuts to the services they provide. Most people work in public service because they believe in what they do, and to see it decimated by cut after cut after cut is heartbreaking. MsChevious
  • Score: -8

10:01am Fri 11 Jul 14

the wall says...

kentlad wrote:
Are all the teachers who have taken a day off going to be fined? after all it is within school term time!
Yeah because losing a days pay is just like going on holiday.
[quote][p][bold]kentlad[/bold] wrote: Are all the teachers who have taken a day off going to be fined? after all it is within school term time![/p][/quote]Yeah because losing a days pay is just like going on holiday. the wall
  • Score: -10

11:17am Fri 11 Jul 14

PaulErith says...

MsChevious wrote:
BexResident wrote:
I work in the PRIVATE sector and for the third year running am not getting a pay rise. This is probably quite common in the private sector, but also a little known fact, as most people wrongly assume that private sector employees take home huge salaries. Unfortunately most private company employees do not have the luxury of unions so are unable to strike, we just have to up and shut up. It's a sad sign of the times and something myself and my colleagues have got used to, so maybe public sector workers should think themselves lucky for getting a 1% pay rise, something I would be VERY grateful to receive. Another thing, I think striking teachers should be fined the same amount that parents are who take their children out of school during term time, for refusing to work during term time, it's the school children who suffer.
No, you're right. It's a race to the bottom and as long as someone else has it worse I shouldn't complain about pay cuts, increased hours, less sickness / maternity support, paying more into a pension to get less out of it and not getting anything at all until I'm about 85 anyway.... Yes, because some people have it worse means I should be grateful for my bowl of rats droppings.

From all the teachers & public sector workers I've spoken to their reasons for striking is not pay, actually, it's about the cuts to the services they provide. Most people work in public service because they believe in what they do, and to see it decimated by cut after cut after cut is heartbreaking.
Interesting one particular point you touched on "less sickness". If you ask me, that's a key thing. I know two council workers who have appalling sickness records. They're off because someone in the same room as them sneezed!! You'd never get away with it in the private sector and rightly so. If they clamped down on this, then it's a good thing.
[quote][p][bold]MsChevious[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BexResident[/bold] wrote: I work in the PRIVATE sector and for the third year running am not getting a pay rise. This is probably quite common in the private sector, but also a little known fact, as most people wrongly assume that private sector employees take home huge salaries. Unfortunately most private company employees do not have the luxury of unions so are unable to strike, we just have to up and shut up. It's a sad sign of the times and something myself and my colleagues have got used to, so maybe public sector workers should think themselves lucky for getting a 1% pay rise, something I would be VERY grateful to receive. Another thing, I think striking teachers should be fined the same amount that parents are who take their children out of school during term time, for refusing to work during term time, it's the school children who suffer.[/p][/quote]No, you're right. It's a race to the bottom and as long as someone else has it worse I shouldn't complain about pay cuts, increased hours, less sickness / maternity support, paying more into a pension to get less out of it and not getting anything at all until I'm about 85 anyway.... Yes, because some people have it worse means I should be grateful for my bowl of rats droppings. From all the teachers & public sector workers I've spoken to their reasons for striking is not pay, actually, it's about the cuts to the services they provide. Most people work in public service because they believe in what they do, and to see it decimated by cut after cut after cut is heartbreaking.[/p][/quote]Interesting one particular point you touched on "less sickness". If you ask me, that's a key thing. I know two council workers who have appalling sickness records. They're off because someone in the same room as them sneezed!! You'd never get away with it in the private sector and rightly so. If they clamped down on this, then it's a good thing. PaulErith
  • Score: 14

1:19pm Fri 11 Jul 14

MsChevious says...

PaulErith wrote:
MsChevious wrote:
BexResident wrote: I work in the PRIVATE sector and for the third year running am not getting a pay rise. This is probably quite common in the private sector, but also a little known fact, as most people wrongly assume that private sector employees take home huge salaries. Unfortunately most private company employees do not have the luxury of unions so are unable to strike, we just have to up and shut up. It's a sad sign of the times and something myself and my colleagues have got used to, so maybe public sector workers should think themselves lucky for getting a 1% pay rise, something I would be VERY grateful to receive. Another thing, I think striking teachers should be fined the same amount that parents are who take their children out of school during term time, for refusing to work during term time, it's the school children who suffer.
No, you're right. It's a race to the bottom and as long as someone else has it worse I shouldn't complain about pay cuts, increased hours, less sickness / maternity support, paying more into a pension to get less out of it and not getting anything at all until I'm about 85 anyway.... Yes, because some people have it worse means I should be grateful for my bowl of rats droppings. From all the teachers & public sector workers I've spoken to their reasons for striking is not pay, actually, it's about the cuts to the services they provide. Most people work in public service because they believe in what they do, and to see it decimated by cut after cut after cut is heartbreaking.
Interesting one particular point you touched on "less sickness". If you ask me, that's a key thing. I know two council workers who have appalling sickness records. They're off because someone in the same room as them sneezed!! You'd never get away with it in the private sector and rightly so. If they clamped down on this, then it's a good thing.
Perhaps in the olded days Paul - my Dad worked at a council and they used to literally see sick days as extra holiday and would 'book' them off with each other; however at both the councils I've worked at there's always been a veritable Spanish Inquisition after ever sick day - I was once given a warning for having four days off sick having my wisdom teeth out having also had a day off six months previously.

It's not a soft touch anymore, no matter what some would have you think.
[quote][p][bold]PaulErith[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MsChevious[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BexResident[/bold] wrote: I work in the PRIVATE sector and for the third year running am not getting a pay rise. This is probably quite common in the private sector, but also a little known fact, as most people wrongly assume that private sector employees take home huge salaries. Unfortunately most private company employees do not have the luxury of unions so are unable to strike, we just have to up and shut up. It's a sad sign of the times and something myself and my colleagues have got used to, so maybe public sector workers should think themselves lucky for getting a 1% pay rise, something I would be VERY grateful to receive. Another thing, I think striking teachers should be fined the same amount that parents are who take their children out of school during term time, for refusing to work during term time, it's the school children who suffer.[/p][/quote]No, you're right. It's a race to the bottom and as long as someone else has it worse I shouldn't complain about pay cuts, increased hours, less sickness / maternity support, paying more into a pension to get less out of it and not getting anything at all until I'm about 85 anyway.... Yes, because some people have it worse means I should be grateful for my bowl of rats droppings. From all the teachers & public sector workers I've spoken to their reasons for striking is not pay, actually, it's about the cuts to the services they provide. Most people work in public service because they believe in what they do, and to see it decimated by cut after cut after cut is heartbreaking.[/p][/quote]Interesting one particular point you touched on "less sickness". If you ask me, that's a key thing. I know two council workers who have appalling sickness records. They're off because someone in the same room as them sneezed!! You'd never get away with it in the private sector and rightly so. If they clamped down on this, then it's a good thing.[/p][/quote]Perhaps in the olded days Paul - my Dad worked at a council and they used to literally see sick days as extra holiday and would 'book' them off with each other; however at both the councils I've worked at there's always been a veritable Spanish Inquisition after ever sick day - I was once given a warning for having four days off sick having my wisdom teeth out having also had a day off six months previously. It's not a soft touch anymore, no matter what some would have you think. MsChevious
  • Score: -6

6:40pm Tue 15 Jul 14

mooro84 says...

sarfflondonbird wrote:
kentlad wrote:
Are all the teachers who have taken a day off going to be fined? after all it is within school term time!
Just what I was thinking this morning.
But on the other hand, good luck to them all. It's about time for a change in the way we are expected to live and survive in this country. While fat cats award themselves hefty bonus and commissions, others at the other end of the scale struggle enormously to put food on the table and pay the bills.
bloody public service workers stopping the rest of us going about our day .they have loads of holidays , loads of benefits,us in the private sector make the wealth and pay their wages,should be up to us whether they can strike or not
[quote][p][bold]sarfflondonbird[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]kentlad[/bold] wrote: Are all the teachers who have taken a day off going to be fined? after all it is within school term time![/p][/quote]Just what I was thinking this morning. But on the other hand, good luck to them all. It's about time for a change in the way we are expected to live and survive in this country. While fat cats award themselves hefty bonus and commissions, others at the other end of the scale struggle enormously to put food on the table and pay the bills.[/p][/quote]bloody public service workers stopping the rest of us going about our day .they have loads of holidays , loads of benefits,us in the private sector make the wealth and pay their wages,should be up to us whether they can strike or not mooro84
  • Score: 12

6:48pm Tue 15 Jul 14

mooro84 says...

MsChevious wrote:
PaulErith wrote:
MsChevious wrote:
BexResident wrote: I work in the PRIVATE sector and for the third year running am not getting a pay rise. This is probably quite common in the private sector, but also a little known fact, as most people wrongly assume that private sector employees take home huge salaries. Unfortunately most private company employees do not have the luxury of unions so are unable to strike, we just have to up and shut up. It's a sad sign of the times and something myself and my colleagues have got used to, so maybe public sector workers should think themselves lucky for getting a 1% pay rise, something I would be VERY grateful to receive. Another thing, I think striking teachers should be fined the same amount that parents are who take their children out of school during term time, for refusing to work during term time, it's the school children who suffer.
No, you're right. It's a race to the bottom and as long as someone else has it worse I shouldn't complain about pay cuts, increased hours, less sickness / maternity support, paying more into a pension to get less out of it and not getting anything at all until I'm about 85 anyway.... Yes, because some people have it worse means I should be grateful for my bowl of rats droppings. From all the teachers & public sector workers I've spoken to their reasons for striking is not pay, actually, it's about the cuts to the services they provide. Most people work in public service because they believe in what they do, and to see it decimated by cut after cut after cut is heartbreaking.
Interesting one particular point you touched on "less sickness". If you ask me, that's a key thing. I know two council workers who have appalling sickness records. They're off because someone in the same room as them sneezed!! You'd never get away with it in the private sector and rightly so. If they clamped down on this, then it's a good thing.
Perhaps in the olded days Paul - my Dad worked at a council and they used to literally see sick days as extra holiday and would 'book' them off with each other; however at both the councils I've worked at there's always been a veritable Spanish Inquisition after ever sick day - I was once given a warning for having four days off sick having my wisdom teeth out having also had a day off six months previously.

It's not a soft touch anymore, no matter what some would have you think.
i had one day off when i had my wisdom teeth out, thats self employment for you, try that then you might have something to moan about,no sick pay in our game. no paid holidays, and on top of that our taxes pay your wages so you can tell how hard done by you are,and that our kids are **** aswell.still its nice to know just what we are paying for, lazy bloody teachers!!!!!
[quote][p][bold]MsChevious[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]PaulErith[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MsChevious[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BexResident[/bold] wrote: I work in the PRIVATE sector and for the third year running am not getting a pay rise. This is probably quite common in the private sector, but also a little known fact, as most people wrongly assume that private sector employees take home huge salaries. Unfortunately most private company employees do not have the luxury of unions so are unable to strike, we just have to up and shut up. It's a sad sign of the times and something myself and my colleagues have got used to, so maybe public sector workers should think themselves lucky for getting a 1% pay rise, something I would be VERY grateful to receive. Another thing, I think striking teachers should be fined the same amount that parents are who take their children out of school during term time, for refusing to work during term time, it's the school children who suffer.[/p][/quote]No, you're right. It's a race to the bottom and as long as someone else has it worse I shouldn't complain about pay cuts, increased hours, less sickness / maternity support, paying more into a pension to get less out of it and not getting anything at all until I'm about 85 anyway.... Yes, because some people have it worse means I should be grateful for my bowl of rats droppings. From all the teachers & public sector workers I've spoken to their reasons for striking is not pay, actually, it's about the cuts to the services they provide. Most people work in public service because they believe in what they do, and to see it decimated by cut after cut after cut is heartbreaking.[/p][/quote]Interesting one particular point you touched on "less sickness". If you ask me, that's a key thing. I know two council workers who have appalling sickness records. They're off because someone in the same room as them sneezed!! You'd never get away with it in the private sector and rightly so. If they clamped down on this, then it's a good thing.[/p][/quote]Perhaps in the olded days Paul - my Dad worked at a council and they used to literally see sick days as extra holiday and would 'book' them off with each other; however at both the councils I've worked at there's always been a veritable Spanish Inquisition after ever sick day - I was once given a warning for having four days off sick having my wisdom teeth out having also had a day off six months previously. It's not a soft touch anymore, no matter what some would have you think.[/p][/quote]i had one day off when i had my wisdom teeth out, thats self employment for you, try that then you might have something to moan about,no sick pay in our game. no paid holidays, and on top of that our taxes pay your wages so you can tell how hard done by you are,and that our kids are **** aswell.still its nice to know just what we are paying for, lazy bloody teachers!!!!! mooro84
  • Score: 10

6:55pm Tue 15 Jul 14

mooro84 says...

goldenbroomboy wrote:
BexResident wrote:
I work in the PRIVATE sector and for the third year running am not getting a pay rise. This is probably quite common in the private sector, but also a little known fact, as most people wrongly assume that private sector employees take home huge salaries. Unfortunately most private company employees do not have the luxury of unions so are unable to strike, we just have to up and shut up. It's a sad sign of the times and something myself and my colleagues have got used to, so maybe public sector workers should think themselves lucky for getting a 1% pay rise, something I would be VERY grateful to receive. Another thing, I think striking teachers should be fined the same amount that parents are who take their children out of school during term time, for refusing to work during term time, it's the school children who suffer.
Paul, not all strikes are over pay. Some are over working conditions. Anybody working in hazardous conditions who "just gets on with it" IMHO is a fool.
poor conditions oh my god! teachers have never had it so easy! you teach the same year after year you must be able to do it standing on your head , then how many holidays with full pay? teacher training days on top of that,AT LEAST YOU HAVE PENSIONS,your blameless in any failings , its always the pupils , or the parents, or management or something else. so stop with the sob stories and get on with what you are paid to do .TEACH OUR KIDS.
[quote][p][bold]goldenbroomboy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BexResident[/bold] wrote: I work in the PRIVATE sector and for the third year running am not getting a pay rise. This is probably quite common in the private sector, but also a little known fact, as most people wrongly assume that private sector employees take home huge salaries. Unfortunately most private company employees do not have the luxury of unions so are unable to strike, we just have to up and shut up. It's a sad sign of the times and something myself and my colleagues have got used to, so maybe public sector workers should think themselves lucky for getting a 1% pay rise, something I would be VERY grateful to receive. Another thing, I think striking teachers should be fined the same amount that parents are who take their children out of school during term time, for refusing to work during term time, it's the school children who suffer.[/p][/quote]Paul, not all strikes are over pay. Some are over working conditions. Anybody working in hazardous conditions who "just gets on with it" IMHO is a fool.[/p][/quote]poor conditions oh my god! teachers have never had it so easy! you teach the same year after year you must be able to do it standing on your head , then how many holidays with full pay? teacher training days on top of that,AT LEAST YOU HAVE PENSIONS,your blameless in any failings , its always the pupils , or the parents, or management or something else. so stop with the sob stories and get on with what you are paid to do .TEACH OUR KIDS. mooro84
  • Score: 6

6:57pm Tue 15 Jul 14

mooro84 says...

the wall wrote:
kentlad wrote:
Are all the teachers who have taken a day off going to be fined? after all it is within school term time!
Yeah because losing a days pay is just like going on holiday.
no stopping the kids a days education is wrong they should be able to fine the unions at least
[quote][p][bold]the wall[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]kentlad[/bold] wrote: Are all the teachers who have taken a day off going to be fined? after all it is within school term time![/p][/quote]Yeah because losing a days pay is just like going on holiday.[/p][/quote]no stopping the kids a days education is wrong they should be able to fine the unions at least mooro84
  • Score: 16

7:11pm Tue 15 Jul 14

mooro84 says...

school, college, uni, teacher training then back to school. teachers really do not know the real world of work or much else. they have a very blinkered view of the world , but then being around all them kids all the time, do they ever grow up? with their part time hours , late starts, early finnishes ,masses of holidays,,,,,,, and they even get to go away on trips in term time with the kids. staff rooms laden with tea and biscuits, free parking , help from the government with their housing needs,etc etc etc ....................
. do they really need to whine on any more than they are already its boring their boring so bore off
school, college, uni, teacher training then back to school. teachers really do not know the real world of work or much else. they have a very blinkered view of the world , but then being around all them kids all the time, do they ever grow up? with their part time hours , late starts, early finnishes ,masses of holidays,,,,,,, and they even get to go away on trips in term time with the kids. staff rooms laden with tea and biscuits, free parking , help from the government with their housing needs,etc etc etc .................... . do they really need to whine on any more than they are already its boring their boring so bore off mooro84
  • Score: 10

10:35am Wed 16 Jul 14

Gypo.Joe says...

Public sector 'WORKERS'.

No I'm not having that, the Shopper should get nicked under the trade description act for using that word. It's an oxymoron.

Public sector loafers more like.
Public sector 'WORKERS'. No I'm not having that, the Shopper should get nicked under the trade description act for using that word. It's an oxymoron. Public sector loafers more like. Gypo.Joe
  • Score: 8

11:53am Wed 16 Jul 14

MsChevious says...

mooro84 wrote:
MsChevious wrote:
PaulErith wrote:
MsChevious wrote:
BexResident wrote: I work in the PRIVATE sector and for the third year running am not getting a pay rise. This is probably quite common in the private sector, but also a little known fact, as most people wrongly assume that private sector employees take home huge salaries. Unfortunately most private company employees do not have the luxury of unions so are unable to strike, we just have to up and shut up. It's a sad sign of the times and something myself and my colleagues have got used to, so maybe public sector workers should think themselves lucky for getting a 1% pay rise, something I would be VERY grateful to receive. Another thing, I think striking teachers should be fined the same amount that parents are who take their children out of school during term time, for refusing to work during term time, it's the school children who suffer.
No, you're right. It's a race to the bottom and as long as someone else has it worse I shouldn't complain about pay cuts, increased hours, less sickness / maternity support, paying more into a pension to get less out of it and not getting anything at all until I'm about 85 anyway.... Yes, because some people have it worse means I should be grateful for my bowl of rats droppings. From all the teachers & public sector workers I've spoken to their reasons for striking is not pay, actually, it's about the cuts to the services they provide. Most people work in public service because they believe in what they do, and to see it decimated by cut after cut after cut is heartbreaking.
Interesting one particular point you touched on "less sickness". If you ask me, that's a key thing. I know two council workers who have appalling sickness records. They're off because someone in the same room as them sneezed!! You'd never get away with it in the private sector and rightly so. If they clamped down on this, then it's a good thing.
Perhaps in the olded days Paul - my Dad worked at a council and they used to literally see sick days as extra holiday and would 'book' them off with each other; however at both the councils I've worked at there's always been a veritable Spanish Inquisition after ever sick day - I was once given a warning for having four days off sick having my wisdom teeth out having also had a day off six months previously. It's not a soft touch anymore, no matter what some would have you think.
i had one day off when i had my wisdom teeth out, thats self employment for you, try that then you might have something to moan about,no sick pay in our game. no paid holidays, and on top of that our taxes pay your wages so you can tell how hard done by you are,and that our kids are **** aswell.still its nice to know just what we are paying for, lazy bloody teachers!!!!!
Not my fault you chose to be self-employed in something which doesn't bring you enough income to take a couple of days off :-D

Plus, my taxes also pay my wages - and my wages might well pay YOUR wages depending on what it is that you do - so wind your neck in.
[quote][p][bold]mooro84[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MsChevious[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]PaulErith[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MsChevious[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BexResident[/bold] wrote: I work in the PRIVATE sector and for the third year running am not getting a pay rise. This is probably quite common in the private sector, but also a little known fact, as most people wrongly assume that private sector employees take home huge salaries. Unfortunately most private company employees do not have the luxury of unions so are unable to strike, we just have to up and shut up. It's a sad sign of the times and something myself and my colleagues have got used to, so maybe public sector workers should think themselves lucky for getting a 1% pay rise, something I would be VERY grateful to receive. Another thing, I think striking teachers should be fined the same amount that parents are who take their children out of school during term time, for refusing to work during term time, it's the school children who suffer.[/p][/quote]No, you're right. It's a race to the bottom and as long as someone else has it worse I shouldn't complain about pay cuts, increased hours, less sickness / maternity support, paying more into a pension to get less out of it and not getting anything at all until I'm about 85 anyway.... Yes, because some people have it worse means I should be grateful for my bowl of rats droppings. From all the teachers & public sector workers I've spoken to their reasons for striking is not pay, actually, it's about the cuts to the services they provide. Most people work in public service because they believe in what they do, and to see it decimated by cut after cut after cut is heartbreaking.[/p][/quote]Interesting one particular point you touched on "less sickness". If you ask me, that's a key thing. I know two council workers who have appalling sickness records. They're off because someone in the same room as them sneezed!! You'd never get away with it in the private sector and rightly so. If they clamped down on this, then it's a good thing.[/p][/quote]Perhaps in the olded days Paul - my Dad worked at a council and they used to literally see sick days as extra holiday and would 'book' them off with each other; however at both the councils I've worked at there's always been a veritable Spanish Inquisition after ever sick day - I was once given a warning for having four days off sick having my wisdom teeth out having also had a day off six months previously. It's not a soft touch anymore, no matter what some would have you think.[/p][/quote]i had one day off when i had my wisdom teeth out, thats self employment for you, try that then you might have something to moan about,no sick pay in our game. no paid holidays, and on top of that our taxes pay your wages so you can tell how hard done by you are,and that our kids are **** aswell.still its nice to know just what we are paying for, lazy bloody teachers!!!!![/p][/quote]Not my fault you chose to be self-employed in something which doesn't bring you enough income to take a couple of days off :-D Plus, my taxes also pay my wages - and my wages might well pay YOUR wages depending on what it is that you do - so wind your neck in. MsChevious
  • Score: -10

4:46pm Thu 17 Jul 14

mooro84 says...

MsChevious wrote:
mooro84 wrote:
MsChevious wrote:
PaulErith wrote:
MsChevious wrote:
BexResident wrote: I work in the PRIVATE sector and for the third year running am not getting a pay rise. This is probably quite common in the private sector, but also a little known fact, as most people wrongly assume that private sector employees take home huge salaries. Unfortunately most private company employees do not have the luxury of unions so are unable to strike, we just have to up and shut up. It's a sad sign of the times and something myself and my colleagues have got used to, so maybe public sector workers should think themselves lucky for getting a 1% pay rise, something I would be VERY grateful to receive. Another thing, I think striking teachers should be fined the same amount that parents are who take their children out of school during term time, for refusing to work during term time, it's the school children who suffer.
No, you're right. It's a race to the bottom and as long as someone else has it worse I shouldn't complain about pay cuts, increased hours, less sickness / maternity support, paying more into a pension to get less out of it and not getting anything at all until I'm about 85 anyway.... Yes, because some people have it worse means I should be grateful for my bowl of rats droppings. From all the teachers & public sector workers I've spoken to their reasons for striking is not pay, actually, it's about the cuts to the services they provide. Most people work in public service because they believe in what they do, and to see it decimated by cut after cut after cut is heartbreaking.
Interesting one particular point you touched on "less sickness". If you ask me, that's a key thing. I know two council workers who have appalling sickness records. They're off because someone in the same room as them sneezed!! You'd never get away with it in the private sector and rightly so. If they clamped down on this, then it's a good thing.
Perhaps in the olded days Paul - my Dad worked at a council and they used to literally see sick days as extra holiday and would 'book' them off with each other; however at both the councils I've worked at there's always been a veritable Spanish Inquisition after ever sick day - I was once given a warning for having four days off sick having my wisdom teeth out having also had a day off six months previously. It's not a soft touch anymore, no matter what some would have you think.
i had one day off when i had my wisdom teeth out, thats self employment for you, try that then you might have something to moan about,no sick pay in our game. no paid holidays, and on top of that our taxes pay your wages so you can tell how hard done by you are,and that our kids are **** aswell.still its nice to know just what we are paying for, lazy bloody teachers!!!!!
Not my fault you chose to be self-employed in something which doesn't bring you enough income to take a couple of days off :-D

Plus, my taxes also pay my wages - and my wages might well pay YOUR wages depending on what it is that you do - so wind your neck in.
your taxes on your wages have already been taxed once when they took it from me so wind your own neck in . i see marxism is still alive in the teaching profession , if it was not for paying your wages mine might go far enough to afford days off when i am sick. you lot are always complaining about your jobs and pay and conditions you would think you were going down a mine . if you dont like your job change it, oh sorry your a teacher you won't change , everybody else has to.your wages will never pay mine you tool.
[quote][p][bold]MsChevious[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mooro84[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MsChevious[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]PaulErith[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MsChevious[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BexResident[/bold] wrote: I work in the PRIVATE sector and for the third year running am not getting a pay rise. This is probably quite common in the private sector, but also a little known fact, as most people wrongly assume that private sector employees take home huge salaries. Unfortunately most private company employees do not have the luxury of unions so are unable to strike, we just have to up and shut up. It's a sad sign of the times and something myself and my colleagues have got used to, so maybe public sector workers should think themselves lucky for getting a 1% pay rise, something I would be VERY grateful to receive. Another thing, I think striking teachers should be fined the same amount that parents are who take their children out of school during term time, for refusing to work during term time, it's the school children who suffer.[/p][/quote]No, you're right. It's a race to the bottom and as long as someone else has it worse I shouldn't complain about pay cuts, increased hours, less sickness / maternity support, paying more into a pension to get less out of it and not getting anything at all until I'm about 85 anyway.... Yes, because some people have it worse means I should be grateful for my bowl of rats droppings. From all the teachers & public sector workers I've spoken to their reasons for striking is not pay, actually, it's about the cuts to the services they provide. Most people work in public service because they believe in what they do, and to see it decimated by cut after cut after cut is heartbreaking.[/p][/quote]Interesting one particular point you touched on "less sickness". If you ask me, that's a key thing. I know two council workers who have appalling sickness records. They're off because someone in the same room as them sneezed!! You'd never get away with it in the private sector and rightly so. If they clamped down on this, then it's a good thing.[/p][/quote]Perhaps in the olded days Paul - my Dad worked at a council and they used to literally see sick days as extra holiday and would 'book' them off with each other; however at both the councils I've worked at there's always been a veritable Spanish Inquisition after ever sick day - I was once given a warning for having four days off sick having my wisdom teeth out having also had a day off six months previously. It's not a soft touch anymore, no matter what some would have you think.[/p][/quote]i had one day off when i had my wisdom teeth out, thats self employment for you, try that then you might have something to moan about,no sick pay in our game. no paid holidays, and on top of that our taxes pay your wages so you can tell how hard done by you are,and that our kids are **** aswell.still its nice to know just what we are paying for, lazy bloody teachers!!!!![/p][/quote]Not my fault you chose to be self-employed in something which doesn't bring you enough income to take a couple of days off :-D Plus, my taxes also pay my wages - and my wages might well pay YOUR wages depending on what it is that you do - so wind your neck in.[/p][/quote]your taxes on your wages have already been taxed once when they took it from me so wind your own neck in . i see marxism is still alive in the teaching profession , if it was not for paying your wages mine might go far enough to afford days off when i am sick. you lot are always complaining about your jobs and pay and conditions you would think you were going down a mine . if you dont like your job change it, oh sorry your a teacher you won't change , everybody else has to.your wages will never pay mine you tool. mooro84
  • Score: 0

4:49pm Thu 17 Jul 14

mooro84 says...

mooro84 wrote:
MsChevious wrote:
mooro84 wrote:
MsChevious wrote:
PaulErith wrote:
MsChevious wrote:
BexResident wrote: I work in the PRIVATE sector and for the third year running am not getting a pay rise. This is probably quite common in the private sector, but also a little known fact, as most people wrongly assume that private sector employees take home huge salaries. Unfortunately most private company employees do not have the luxury of unions so are unable to strike, we just have to up and shut up. It's a sad sign of the times and something myself and my colleagues have got used to, so maybe public sector workers should think themselves lucky for getting a 1% pay rise, something I would be VERY grateful to receive. Another thing, I think striking teachers should be fined the same amount that parents are who take their children out of school during term time, for refusing to work during term time, it's the school children who suffer.
No, you're right. It's a race to the bottom and as long as someone else has it worse I shouldn't complain about pay cuts, increased hours, less sickness / maternity support, paying more into a pension to get less out of it and not getting anything at all until I'm about 85 anyway.... Yes, because some people have it worse means I should be grateful for my bowl of rats droppings. From all the teachers & public sector workers I've spoken to their reasons for striking is not pay, actually, it's about the cuts to the services they provide. Most people work in public service because they believe in what they do, and to see it decimated by cut after cut after cut is heartbreaking.
Interesting one particular point you touched on "less sickness". If you ask me, that's a key thing. I know two council workers who have appalling sickness records. They're off because someone in the same room as them sneezed!! You'd never get away with it in the private sector and rightly so. If they clamped down on this, then it's a good thing.
Perhaps in the olded days Paul - my Dad worked at a council and they used to literally see sick days as extra holiday and would 'book' them off with each other; however at both the councils I've worked at there's always been a veritable Spanish Inquisition after ever sick day - I was once given a warning for having four days off sick having my wisdom teeth out having also had a day off six months previously. It's not a soft touch anymore, no matter what some would have you think.
i had one day off when i had my wisdom teeth out, thats self employment for you, try that then you might have something to moan about,no sick pay in our game. no paid holidays, and on top of that our taxes pay your wages so you can tell how hard done by you are,and that our kids are **** aswell.still its nice to know just what we are paying for, lazy bloody teachers!!!!!
Not my fault you chose to be self-employed in something which doesn't bring you enough income to take a couple of days off :-D

Plus, my taxes also pay my wages - and my wages might well pay YOUR wages depending on what it is that you do - so wind your neck in.
your taxes on your wages have already been taxed once when they took it from me so wind your own neck in . i see marxism is still alive in the teaching profession , if it was not for paying your wages mine might go far enough to afford days off when i am sick. you lot are always complaining about your jobs and pay and conditions you would think you were going down a mine . if you dont like your job change it, oh sorry your a teacher you won't change , everybody else has to.your wages will never pay mine you tool.
plus we all know what you do teach then repeat year after year must be so hard for you, and now your pensions are crap join the rest of society.
[quote][p][bold]mooro84[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MsChevious[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mooro84[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MsChevious[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]PaulErith[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MsChevious[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BexResident[/bold] wrote: I work in the PRIVATE sector and for the third year running am not getting a pay rise. This is probably quite common in the private sector, but also a little known fact, as most people wrongly assume that private sector employees take home huge salaries. Unfortunately most private company employees do not have the luxury of unions so are unable to strike, we just have to up and shut up. It's a sad sign of the times and something myself and my colleagues have got used to, so maybe public sector workers should think themselves lucky for getting a 1% pay rise, something I would be VERY grateful to receive. Another thing, I think striking teachers should be fined the same amount that parents are who take their children out of school during term time, for refusing to work during term time, it's the school children who suffer.[/p][/quote]No, you're right. It's a race to the bottom and as long as someone else has it worse I shouldn't complain about pay cuts, increased hours, less sickness / maternity support, paying more into a pension to get less out of it and not getting anything at all until I'm about 85 anyway.... Yes, because some people have it worse means I should be grateful for my bowl of rats droppings. From all the teachers & public sector workers I've spoken to their reasons for striking is not pay, actually, it's about the cuts to the services they provide. Most people work in public service because they believe in what they do, and to see it decimated by cut after cut after cut is heartbreaking.[/p][/quote]Interesting one particular point you touched on "less sickness". If you ask me, that's a key thing. I know two council workers who have appalling sickness records. They're off because someone in the same room as them sneezed!! You'd never get away with it in the private sector and rightly so. If they clamped down on this, then it's a good thing.[/p][/quote]Perhaps in the olded days Paul - my Dad worked at a council and they used to literally see sick days as extra holiday and would 'book' them off with each other; however at both the councils I've worked at there's always been a veritable Spanish Inquisition after ever sick day - I was once given a warning for having four days off sick having my wisdom teeth out having also had a day off six months previously. It's not a soft touch anymore, no matter what some would have you think.[/p][/quote]i had one day off when i had my wisdom teeth out, thats self employment for you, try that then you might have something to moan about,no sick pay in our game. no paid holidays, and on top of that our taxes pay your wages so you can tell how hard done by you are,and that our kids are **** aswell.still its nice to know just what we are paying for, lazy bloody teachers!!!!![/p][/quote]Not my fault you chose to be self-employed in something which doesn't bring you enough income to take a couple of days off :-D Plus, my taxes also pay my wages - and my wages might well pay YOUR wages depending on what it is that you do - so wind your neck in.[/p][/quote]your taxes on your wages have already been taxed once when they took it from me so wind your own neck in . i see marxism is still alive in the teaching profession , if it was not for paying your wages mine might go far enough to afford days off when i am sick. you lot are always complaining about your jobs and pay and conditions you would think you were going down a mine . if you dont like your job change it, oh sorry your a teacher you won't change , everybody else has to.your wages will never pay mine you tool.[/p][/quote]plus we all know what you do teach then repeat year after year must be so hard for you, and now your pensions are crap join the rest of society. mooro84
  • Score: 0

4:49pm Thu 17 Jul 14

mooro84 says...

mooro84 wrote:
MsChevious wrote:
mooro84 wrote:
MsChevious wrote:
PaulErith wrote:
MsChevious wrote:
BexResident wrote: I work in the PRIVATE sector and for the third year running am not getting a pay rise. This is probably quite common in the private sector, but also a little known fact, as most people wrongly assume that private sector employees take home huge salaries. Unfortunately most private company employees do not have the luxury of unions so are unable to strike, we just have to up and shut up. It's a sad sign of the times and something myself and my colleagues have got used to, so maybe public sector workers should think themselves lucky for getting a 1% pay rise, something I would be VERY grateful to receive. Another thing, I think striking teachers should be fined the same amount that parents are who take their children out of school during term time, for refusing to work during term time, it's the school children who suffer.
No, you're right. It's a race to the bottom and as long as someone else has it worse I shouldn't complain about pay cuts, increased hours, less sickness / maternity support, paying more into a pension to get less out of it and not getting anything at all until I'm about 85 anyway.... Yes, because some people have it worse means I should be grateful for my bowl of rats droppings. From all the teachers & public sector workers I've spoken to their reasons for striking is not pay, actually, it's about the cuts to the services they provide. Most people work in public service because they believe in what they do, and to see it decimated by cut after cut after cut is heartbreaking.
Interesting one particular point you touched on "less sickness". If you ask me, that's a key thing. I know two council workers who have appalling sickness records. They're off because someone in the same room as them sneezed!! You'd never get away with it in the private sector and rightly so. If they clamped down on this, then it's a good thing.
Perhaps in the olded days Paul - my Dad worked at a council and they used to literally see sick days as extra holiday and would 'book' them off with each other; however at both the councils I've worked at there's always been a veritable Spanish Inquisition after ever sick day - I was once given a warning for having four days off sick having my wisdom teeth out having also had a day off six months previously. It's not a soft touch anymore, no matter what some would have you think.
i had one day off when i had my wisdom teeth out, thats self employment for you, try that then you might have something to moan about,no sick pay in our game. no paid holidays, and on top of that our taxes pay your wages so you can tell how hard done by you are,and that our kids are **** aswell.still its nice to know just what we are paying for, lazy bloody teachers!!!!!
Not my fault you chose to be self-employed in something which doesn't bring you enough income to take a couple of days off :-D

Plus, my taxes also pay my wages - and my wages might well pay YOUR wages depending on what it is that you do - so wind your neck in.
your taxes on your wages have already been taxed once when they took it from me so wind your own neck in . i see marxism is still alive in the teaching profession , if it was not for paying your wages mine might go far enough to afford days off when i am sick. you lot are always complaining about your jobs and pay and conditions you would think you were going down a mine . if you dont like your job change it, oh sorry your a teacher you won't change , everybody else has to.your wages will never pay mine you tool.
plus we all know what you do teach then repeat year after year must be so hard for you, and now your pensions are crap join the rest of society.
[quote][p][bold]mooro84[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MsChevious[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mooro84[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MsChevious[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]PaulErith[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MsChevious[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BexResident[/bold] wrote: I work in the PRIVATE sector and for the third year running am not getting a pay rise. This is probably quite common in the private sector, but also a little known fact, as most people wrongly assume that private sector employees take home huge salaries. Unfortunately most private company employees do not have the luxury of unions so are unable to strike, we just have to up and shut up. It's a sad sign of the times and something myself and my colleagues have got used to, so maybe public sector workers should think themselves lucky for getting a 1% pay rise, something I would be VERY grateful to receive. Another thing, I think striking teachers should be fined the same amount that parents are who take their children out of school during term time, for refusing to work during term time, it's the school children who suffer.[/p][/quote]No, you're right. It's a race to the bottom and as long as someone else has it worse I shouldn't complain about pay cuts, increased hours, less sickness / maternity support, paying more into a pension to get less out of it and not getting anything at all until I'm about 85 anyway.... Yes, because some people have it worse means I should be grateful for my bowl of rats droppings. From all the teachers & public sector workers I've spoken to their reasons for striking is not pay, actually, it's about the cuts to the services they provide. Most people work in public service because they believe in what they do, and to see it decimated by cut after cut after cut is heartbreaking.[/p][/quote]Interesting one particular point you touched on "less sickness". If you ask me, that's a key thing. I know two council workers who have appalling sickness records. They're off because someone in the same room as them sneezed!! You'd never get away with it in the private sector and rightly so. If they clamped down on this, then it's a good thing.[/p][/quote]Perhaps in the olded days Paul - my Dad worked at a council and they used to literally see sick days as extra holiday and would 'book' them off with each other; however at both the councils I've worked at there's always been a veritable Spanish Inquisition after ever sick day - I was once given a warning for having four days off sick having my wisdom teeth out having also had a day off six months previously. It's not a soft touch anymore, no matter what some would have you think.[/p][/quote]i had one day off when i had my wisdom teeth out, thats self employment for you, try that then you might have something to moan about,no sick pay in our game. no paid holidays, and on top of that our taxes pay your wages so you can tell how hard done by you are,and that our kids are **** aswell.still its nice to know just what we are paying for, lazy bloody teachers!!!!![/p][/quote]Not my fault you chose to be self-employed in something which doesn't bring you enough income to take a couple of days off :-D Plus, my taxes also pay my wages - and my wages might well pay YOUR wages depending on what it is that you do - so wind your neck in.[/p][/quote]your taxes on your wages have already been taxed once when they took it from me so wind your own neck in . i see marxism is still alive in the teaching profession , if it was not for paying your wages mine might go far enough to afford days off when i am sick. you lot are always complaining about your jobs and pay and conditions you would think you were going down a mine . if you dont like your job change it, oh sorry your a teacher you won't change , everybody else has to.your wages will never pay mine you tool.[/p][/quote]plus we all know what you do teach then repeat year after year must be so hard for you, and now your pensions are crap join the rest of society. mooro84
  • Score: 0

9:01am Fri 18 Jul 14

MsChevious says...

mooro84 wrote:
mooro84 wrote:
MsChevious wrote:
mooro84 wrote:
MsChevious wrote:
PaulErith wrote:
MsChevious wrote:
BexResident wrote: I work in the PRIVATE sector and for the third year running am not getting a pay rise. This is probably quite common in the private sector, but also a little known fact, as most people wrongly assume that private sector employees take home huge salaries. Unfortunately most private company employees do not have the luxury of unions so are unable to strike, we just have to up and shut up. It's a sad sign of the times and something myself and my colleagues have got used to, so maybe public sector workers should think themselves lucky for getting a 1% pay rise, something I would be VERY grateful to receive. Another thing, I think striking teachers should be fined the same amount that parents are who take their children out of school during term time, for refusing to work during term time, it's the school children who suffer.
No, you're right. It's a race to the bottom and as long as someone else has it worse I shouldn't complain about pay cuts, increased hours, less sickness / maternity support, paying more into a pension to get less out of it and not getting anything at all until I'm about 85 anyway.... Yes, because some people have it worse means I should be grateful for my bowl of rats droppings. From all the teachers & public sector workers I've spoken to their reasons for striking is not pay, actually, it's about the cuts to the services they provide. Most people work in public service because they believe in what they do, and to see it decimated by cut after cut after cut is heartbreaking.
Interesting one particular point you touched on "less sickness". If you ask me, that's a key thing. I know two council workers who have appalling sickness records. They're off because someone in the same room as them sneezed!! You'd never get away with it in the private sector and rightly so. If they clamped down on this, then it's a good thing.
Perhaps in the olded days Paul - my Dad worked at a council and they used to literally see sick days as extra holiday and would 'book' them off with each other; however at both the councils I've worked at there's always been a veritable Spanish Inquisition after ever sick day - I was once given a warning for having four days off sick having my wisdom teeth out having also had a day off six months previously. It's not a soft touch anymore, no matter what some would have you think.
i had one day off when i had my wisdom teeth out, thats self employment for you, try that then you might have something to moan about,no sick pay in our game. no paid holidays, and on top of that our taxes pay your wages so you can tell how hard done by you are,and that our kids are **** aswell.still its nice to know just what we are paying for, lazy bloody teachers!!!!!
Not my fault you chose to be self-employed in something which doesn't bring you enough income to take a couple of days off :-D Plus, my taxes also pay my wages - and my wages might well pay YOUR wages depending on what it is that you do - so wind your neck in.
your taxes on your wages have already been taxed once when they took it from me so wind your own neck in . i see marxism is still alive in the teaching profession , if it was not for paying your wages mine might go far enough to afford days off when i am sick. you lot are always complaining about your jobs and pay and conditions you would think you were going down a mine . if you dont like your job change it, oh sorry your a teacher you won't change , everybody else has to.your wages will never pay mine you tool.
plus we all know what you do teach then repeat year after year must be so hard for you, and now your pensions are crap join the rest of society.
I'm not a teacher you tool, if you can't read properly then perhaps that illustrates why you can't support yourself properly without whinging and whining about it being everyone else's fault.
[quote][p][bold]mooro84[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mooro84[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MsChevious[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mooro84[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MsChevious[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]PaulErith[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MsChevious[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BexResident[/bold] wrote: I work in the PRIVATE sector and for the third year running am not getting a pay rise. This is probably quite common in the private sector, but also a little known fact, as most people wrongly assume that private sector employees take home huge salaries. Unfortunately most private company employees do not have the luxury of unions so are unable to strike, we just have to up and shut up. It's a sad sign of the times and something myself and my colleagues have got used to, so maybe public sector workers should think themselves lucky for getting a 1% pay rise, something I would be VERY grateful to receive. Another thing, I think striking teachers should be fined the same amount that parents are who take their children out of school during term time, for refusing to work during term time, it's the school children who suffer.[/p][/quote]No, you're right. It's a race to the bottom and as long as someone else has it worse I shouldn't complain about pay cuts, increased hours, less sickness / maternity support, paying more into a pension to get less out of it and not getting anything at all until I'm about 85 anyway.... Yes, because some people have it worse means I should be grateful for my bowl of rats droppings. From all the teachers & public sector workers I've spoken to their reasons for striking is not pay, actually, it's about the cuts to the services they provide. Most people work in public service because they believe in what they do, and to see it decimated by cut after cut after cut is heartbreaking.[/p][/quote]Interesting one particular point you touched on "less sickness". If you ask me, that's a key thing. I know two council workers who have appalling sickness records. They're off because someone in the same room as them sneezed!! You'd never get away with it in the private sector and rightly so. If they clamped down on this, then it's a good thing.[/p][/quote]Perhaps in the olded days Paul - my Dad worked at a council and they used to literally see sick days as extra holiday and would 'book' them off with each other; however at both the councils I've worked at there's always been a veritable Spanish Inquisition after ever sick day - I was once given a warning for having four days off sick having my wisdom teeth out having also had a day off six months previously. It's not a soft touch anymore, no matter what some would have you think.[/p][/quote]i had one day off when i had my wisdom teeth out, thats self employment for you, try that then you might have something to moan about,no sick pay in our game. no paid holidays, and on top of that our taxes pay your wages so you can tell how hard done by you are,and that our kids are **** aswell.still its nice to know just what we are paying for, lazy bloody teachers!!!!![/p][/quote]Not my fault you chose to be self-employed in something which doesn't bring you enough income to take a couple of days off :-D Plus, my taxes also pay my wages - and my wages might well pay YOUR wages depending on what it is that you do - so wind your neck in.[/p][/quote]your taxes on your wages have already been taxed once when they took it from me so wind your own neck in . i see marxism is still alive in the teaching profession , if it was not for paying your wages mine might go far enough to afford days off when i am sick. you lot are always complaining about your jobs and pay and conditions you would think you were going down a mine . if you dont like your job change it, oh sorry your a teacher you won't change , everybody else has to.your wages will never pay mine you tool.[/p][/quote]plus we all know what you do teach then repeat year after year must be so hard for you, and now your pensions are crap join the rest of society.[/p][/quote]I'm not a teacher you tool, if you can't read properly then perhaps that illustrates why you can't support yourself properly without whinging and whining about it being everyone else's fault. MsChevious
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mooro84 says...

MsChevious wrote:
mooro84 wrote:
mooro84 wrote:
MsChevious wrote:
mooro84 wrote:
MsChevious wrote:
PaulErith wrote:
MsChevious wrote:
BexResident wrote: I work in the PRIVATE sector and for the third year running am not getting a pay rise. This is probably quite common in the private sector, but also a little known fact, as most people wrongly assume that private sector employees take home huge salaries. Unfortunately most private company employees do not have the luxury of unions so are unable to strike, we just have to up and shut up. It's a sad sign of the times and something myself and my colleagues have got used to, so maybe public sector workers should think themselves lucky for getting a 1% pay rise, something I would be VERY grateful to receive. Another thing, I think striking teachers should be fined the same amount that parents are who take their children out of school during term time, for refusing to work during term time, it's the school children who suffer.
No, you're right. It's a race to the bottom and as long as someone else has it worse I shouldn't complain about pay cuts, increased hours, less sickness / maternity support, paying more into a pension to get less out of it and not getting anything at all until I'm about 85 anyway.... Yes, because some people have it worse means I should be grateful for my bowl of rats droppings. From all the teachers & public sector workers I've spoken to their reasons for striking is not pay, actually, it's about the cuts to the services they provide. Most people work in public service because they believe in what they do, and to see it decimated by cut after cut after cut is heartbreaking.
Interesting one particular point you touched on "less sickness". If you ask me, that's a key thing. I know two council workers who have appalling sickness records. They're off because someone in the same room as them sneezed!! You'd never get away with it in the private sector and rightly so. If they clamped down on this, then it's a good thing.
Perhaps in the olded days Paul - my Dad worked at a council and they used to literally see sick days as extra holiday and would 'book' them off with each other; however at both the councils I've worked at there's always been a veritable Spanish Inquisition after ever sick day - I was once given a warning for having four days off sick having my wisdom teeth out having also had a day off six months previously. It's not a soft touch anymore, no matter what some would have you think.
i had one day off when i had my wisdom teeth out, thats self employment for you, try that then you might have something to moan about,no sick pay in our game. no paid holidays, and on top of that our taxes pay your wages so you can tell how hard done by you are,and that our kids are **** aswell.still its nice to know just what we are paying for, lazy bloody teachers!!!!!
Not my fault you chose to be self-employed in something which doesn't bring you enough income to take a couple of days off :-D Plus, my taxes also pay my wages - and my wages might well pay YOUR wages depending on what it is that you do - so wind your neck in.
your taxes on your wages have already been taxed once when they took it from me so wind your own neck in . i see marxism is still alive in the teaching profession , if it was not for paying your wages mine might go far enough to afford days off when i am sick. you lot are always complaining about your jobs and pay and conditions you would think you were going down a mine . if you dont like your job change it, oh sorry your a teacher you won't change , everybody else has to.your wages will never pay mine you tool.
plus we all know what you do teach then repeat year after year must be so hard for you, and now your pensions are crap join the rest of society.
I'm not a teacher you tool, if you can't read properly then perhaps that illustrates why you can't support yourself properly without whinging and whining about it being everyone else's fault.
if not a teacher then you must be in the public sector , why keep defending them, as for my wage its all good, as for my reading ability , i will challenge anyone anytime. plus i think you will find its the members of the public sector who are always striking, not the sparks ,hvac engineers ,or gas fitters . as for being a tool i have plenty thanks . keep looking to the government for your next wage, you will find our taxes in there.
[quote][p][bold]MsChevious[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mooro84[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mooro84[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MsChevious[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mooro84[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MsChevious[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]PaulErith[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MsChevious[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BexResident[/bold] wrote: I work in the PRIVATE sector and for the third year running am not getting a pay rise. This is probably quite common in the private sector, but also a little known fact, as most people wrongly assume that private sector employees take home huge salaries. Unfortunately most private company employees do not have the luxury of unions so are unable to strike, we just have to up and shut up. It's a sad sign of the times and something myself and my colleagues have got used to, so maybe public sector workers should think themselves lucky for getting a 1% pay rise, something I would be VERY grateful to receive. Another thing, I think striking teachers should be fined the same amount that parents are who take their children out of school during term time, for refusing to work during term time, it's the school children who suffer.[/p][/quote]No, you're right. It's a race to the bottom and as long as someone else has it worse I shouldn't complain about pay cuts, increased hours, less sickness / maternity support, paying more into a pension to get less out of it and not getting anything at all until I'm about 85 anyway.... Yes, because some people have it worse means I should be grateful for my bowl of rats droppings. From all the teachers & public sector workers I've spoken to their reasons for striking is not pay, actually, it's about the cuts to the services they provide. Most people work in public service because they believe in what they do, and to see it decimated by cut after cut after cut is heartbreaking.[/p][/quote]Interesting one particular point you touched on "less sickness". If you ask me, that's a key thing. I know two council workers who have appalling sickness records. They're off because someone in the same room as them sneezed!! You'd never get away with it in the private sector and rightly so. If they clamped down on this, then it's a good thing.[/p][/quote]Perhaps in the olded days Paul - my Dad worked at a council and they used to literally see sick days as extra holiday and would 'book' them off with each other; however at both the councils I've worked at there's always been a veritable Spanish Inquisition after ever sick day - I was once given a warning for having four days off sick having my wisdom teeth out having also had a day off six months previously. It's not a soft touch anymore, no matter what some would have you think.[/p][/quote]i had one day off when i had my wisdom teeth out, thats self employment for you, try that then you might have something to moan about,no sick pay in our game. no paid holidays, and on top of that our taxes pay your wages so you can tell how hard done by you are,and that our kids are **** aswell.still its nice to know just what we are paying for, lazy bloody teachers!!!!![/p][/quote]Not my fault you chose to be self-employed in something which doesn't bring you enough income to take a couple of days off :-D Plus, my taxes also pay my wages - and my wages might well pay YOUR wages depending on what it is that you do - so wind your neck in.[/p][/quote]your taxes on your wages have already been taxed once when they took it from me so wind your own neck in . i see marxism is still alive in the teaching profession , if it was not for paying your wages mine might go far enough to afford days off when i am sick. you lot are always complaining about your jobs and pay and conditions you would think you were going down a mine . if you dont like your job change it, oh sorry your a teacher you won't change , everybody else has to.your wages will never pay mine you tool.[/p][/quote]plus we all know what you do teach then repeat year after year must be so hard for you, and now your pensions are crap join the rest of society.[/p][/quote]I'm not a teacher you tool, if you can't read properly then perhaps that illustrates why you can't support yourself properly without whinging and whining about it being everyone else's fault.[/p][/quote]if not a teacher then you must be in the public sector , why keep defending them, as for my wage its all good, as for my reading ability , i will challenge anyone anytime. plus i think you will find its the members of the public sector who are always striking, not the sparks ,hvac engineers ,or gas fitters . as for being a tool i have plenty thanks . keep looking to the government for your next wage, you will find our taxes in there. mooro84
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