Deptford Job Centre pub name 'is offensive'

Deptford Job Centre pub name 'is offensive'

Deptford Job Centre pub name 'is offensive'

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A Deptford pub named after the former job centre it now occupies has been accused of "insulting" the area and making unemployment "a joke".

Lewisham People Before Profit have written to pub company Antic asking them to change the name of The Job Centre pub - which has been given a generally positive reception until now.

Their outraged letter says: "The current name sends an extremely insulting and profoundly negative message about the role of your establishment in the neighbourhood and your view of the majority of people who live there.

"Given the Antic Collective's previous positive and progressive impact in other parts of south London, this is a message out of keeping with your profile and damaging to your reputation."

Since losing down in 2010, the job centre has been used as a squat and gallery before finally being converted into a pub earlier this year.

But Lewisham People Before Profit claim that Antic are making light of a deprived area at a time when high-rise buildings are popping up around SE8, pricing long-standing residents out.

Their letter states: "In the case of your bar, the Job Centre name you have chosen underscores the fact that a location that once housed a service for the many struggling people in the neighbourhood has been replaced with a bar catering to those who can afford the sort of upmarket pub food your website promises.

"By choosing to decorate with an ‘eclectic mix of vintage décor and quirky design features inspired by its function as a place that once served the unemployed’ (a quotation from your website), you turn the experience of the unemployed—an experience so widespread and painful in the current climate that it is literally driving people to suicide—into a style feature for the amusement of those with disposable cash.

"Taken together, the bar's name and its interior design suggest that you want potential clientèle to understand that your bar is for the new people moving into Deptford, for whom job centres are a joke, and not the existing residents of Deptford, for whom job centres are often a necessity.

"This approach takes the injury of unemployment, poverty and displacement, and adds the insult of seeing these injuries turned into fun décor for people lucky enough to escape such experiences. We encourage you to rethink this unnecessarily divisive and repulsive message, which is hugely destructive to the good reputation you have earned across south London."

Antic operations manager Max Alderman said the pub had brought 10 jobs to the area and that its very own jobs board inside was proving popular.

He said: "Historically, pubs were named after what went on either in or around them. It was a job centre and we felt it was appropriate to reflect what used to go on there."

Mr Alderman added: "I don't think it's disrespectful to use the name and it's certainly not our intention to belittle anybody who doesn't have work."

He went on: "We're really very happy to discuss it with anybody and we will hold a meeting down there to discuss it."

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3:37pm Wed 9 Jul 14

sarfflondonbird says...

All I can say is its a good job this organisation didn't get a seat in the elections, a lot of hot air over nothing.
All I can say is its a good job this organisation didn't get a seat in the elections, a lot of hot air over nothing. sarfflondonbird
  • Score: 18

4:22pm Wed 9 Jul 14

the wall says...

Lewisham People Before Profit - Who made you spokesperson of the people? Have you taken a vote from all the people in the Lewisham borough...... What was the result?

Stop being such a drama queen and wind your neck in!

Antic have declined to comment...... Good and don't, you are not answerable to crack pot groups.
Lewisham People Before Profit - Who made you spokesperson of the people? Have you taken a vote from all the people in the Lewisham borough...... What was the result? Stop being such a drama queen and wind your neck in! Antic have declined to comment...... Good and don't, you are not answerable to crack pot groups. the wall
  • Score: 40

4:28pm Wed 9 Jul 14

Brook says...

Great name. Although should have been called the Job Centre and Tax Office. Neither got used much in Deptford. Even the employed are mostly tax dodgers
I hope they sell Champagne - I will be popping in for a flute or two
Great name. Although should have been called the Job Centre and Tax Office. Neither got used much in Deptford. Even the employed are mostly tax dodgers I hope they sell Champagne - I will be popping in for a flute or two Brook
  • Score: 9

5:14pm Wed 9 Jul 14

goldenbroomboy says...

If anything PBP insult Deep Ford in their letter since they imply that anybody with a job in the town has come from somewhere else. as opposed to the locals who are all living hand to mouth on benefits.

Also, Deptford is in South East London, not South London. Middle Class Lefties don't seem to understand that the Proletariat in SE8 don't identify with the Proletariat in SE17 unless a sports team is involved.
If anything PBP insult Deep Ford in their letter since they imply that anybody with a job in the town has come from somewhere else. as opposed to the locals who are all living hand to mouth on benefits. Also, Deptford is in South East London, not South London. Middle Class Lefties don't seem to understand that the Proletariat in SE8 don't identify with the Proletariat in SE17 unless a sports team is involved. goldenbroomboy
  • Score: 19

6:15pm Wed 9 Jul 14

Harold_Monk says...

Looks as inviting as the local morgue
Looks as inviting as the local morgue Harold_Monk
  • Score: 5

7:46pm Wed 9 Jul 14

Dimpydibbles says...

I, too, have noticed a recent preponderance to label South East London as South or East London. South East London has a character very distinctive from the other two. Perhaps due to its origins in Kent as opposed to Essex or Surrey. And while I'm on a role - please, incomers to the borough just over the border, don't say Grennich, it's Grinnidge.
I, too, have noticed a recent preponderance to label South East London as South or East London. South East London has a character very distinctive from the other two. Perhaps due to its origins in Kent as opposed to Essex or Surrey. And while I'm on a role - please, incomers to the borough just over the border, don't say Grennich, it's Grinnidge. Dimpydibbles
  • Score: 24

7:51am Thu 10 Jul 14

PaulErith says...

Next they'll be on to the band UB40 and ask them to change their name!

They should grow up and get a sense of perspective. There's bigger things to worry about.
Next they'll be on to the band UB40 and ask them to change their name! They should grow up and get a sense of perspective. There's bigger things to worry about. PaulErith
  • Score: 21

9:24am Thu 10 Jul 14

hogarth24 says...

the wall wrote:
Lewisham People Before Profit - Who made you spokesperson of the people? Have you taken a vote from all the people in the Lewisham borough...... What was the result?

Stop being such a drama queen and wind your neck in!

Antic have declined to comment...... Good and don't, you are not answerable to crack pot groups.
In Local elections Lewisham People Before Profit got 25% of the vote..thats a mandate.. we have Gov on power on same percentage.
[quote][p][bold]the wall[/bold] wrote: Lewisham People Before Profit - Who made you spokesperson of the people? Have you taken a vote from all the people in the Lewisham borough...... What was the result? Stop being such a drama queen and wind your neck in! Antic have declined to comment...... Good and don't, you are not answerable to crack pot groups.[/p][/quote]In Local elections Lewisham People Before Profit got 25% of the vote..thats a mandate.. we have Gov on power on same percentage. hogarth24
  • Score: -24

9:29am Thu 10 Jul 14

hogarth24 says...

Whilst Lewisham People Before Profit as always have done a greatv service to Lewisham by leading this debate and campaign, readers must note most angry are the 55% young Deptford residents with no jobs, the local low paid to poor to have a smart vote or twitter account or internet access to comment or vote,.In my Ward PB4P in May got almost 30% vote in Deptford Lewisham People Before Profit in the by-Election and the May locals got 25% of vote more making them the real opposition in Lewisham to a Council carrying out savage Tory cuts and Privatisation which they should be opposing not enforcing.
People Before profit..AFantastic you will always win the votes from local residents like me, proud of what you do for us.
Whilst Lewisham People Before Profit as always have done a greatv service to Lewisham by leading this debate and campaign, readers must note most angry are the 55% young Deptford residents with no jobs, the local low paid to poor to have a smart vote or twitter account or internet access to comment or vote,.In my Ward PB4P in May got almost 30% vote in Deptford Lewisham People Before Profit in the by-Election and the May locals got 25% of vote more making them the real opposition in Lewisham to a Council carrying out savage Tory cuts and Privatisation which they should be opposing not enforcing. People Before profit..AFantastic you will always win the votes from local residents like me, proud of what you do for us. hogarth24
  • Score: -23

10:03am Thu 10 Jul 14

Yabbee says...

PaulErith wrote:
Next they'll be on to the band UB40 and ask them to change their name!

They should grow up and get a sense of perspective. There's bigger things to worry about.
Do you also think People Before Profit are childish when they campaign to save Lewisham hospital from closure or outsourcing? When they set a food bank or a legal advice center? When they defend public services or housing? When they bring awareness against PFI or TTIP? Sadly, it does not bring so much interest in the media.
[quote][p][bold]PaulErith[/bold] wrote: Next they'll be on to the band UB40 and ask them to change their name! They should grow up and get a sense of perspective. There's bigger things to worry about.[/p][/quote]Do you also think People Before Profit are childish when they campaign to save Lewisham hospital from closure or outsourcing? When they set a food bank or a legal advice center? When they defend public services or housing? When they bring awareness against PFI or TTIP? Sadly, it does not bring so much interest in the media. Yabbee
  • Score: -14

10:24am Thu 10 Jul 14

the wall says...

hogarth24 wrote:
the wall wrote:
Lewisham People Before Profit - Who made you spokesperson of the people? Have you taken a vote from all the people in the Lewisham borough...... What was the result?

Stop being such a drama queen and wind your neck in!

Antic have declined to comment...... Good and don't, you are not answerable to crack pot groups.
In Local elections Lewisham People Before Profit got 25% of the vote..thats a mandate.. we have Gov on power on same percentage.
London Assembly election, maybe.
[quote][p][bold]hogarth24[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]the wall[/bold] wrote: Lewisham People Before Profit - Who made you spokesperson of the people? Have you taken a vote from all the people in the Lewisham borough...... What was the result? Stop being such a drama queen and wind your neck in! Antic have declined to comment...... Good and don't, you are not answerable to crack pot groups.[/p][/quote]In Local elections Lewisham People Before Profit got 25% of the vote..thats a mandate.. we have Gov on power on same percentage.[/p][/quote]London Assembly election, maybe. the wall
  • Score: 10

10:33am Thu 10 Jul 14

the wall says...

​John Hamilton ​Lewisham People Before Profit 6,014 - ​8.33% This is the online result I found.

This is a 1st world problem of no life threatening significance.
​John Hamilton ​Lewisham People Before Profit 6,014 - ​8.33% This is the online result I found. This is a 1st world problem of no life threatening significance. the wall
  • Score: 19

10:37am Thu 10 Jul 14

Gypo.Joe says...

"People Before Profit got 25% of the vote".. well I never that's a lot more than the BNP.

Whatever happened to them ? They seem to be laying very low licking their wounds.

Bankrupt and finished,

oh my indigenous sides.

ROFLMAO at the BNP.
"People Before Profit got 25% of the vote".. well I never that's a lot more than the BNP. Whatever happened to them ? They seem to be laying very low licking their wounds. Bankrupt and finished, oh my indigenous sides. ROFLMAO at the BNP. Gypo.Joe
  • Score: -3

10:41am Thu 10 Jul 14

the wall says...

Yabbee wrote:
PaulErith wrote:
Next they'll be on to the band UB40 and ask them to change their name!

They should grow up and get a sense of perspective. There's bigger things to worry about.
Do you also think People Before Profit are childish when they campaign to save Lewisham hospital from closure or outsourcing? When they set a food bank or a legal advice center? When they defend public services or housing? When they bring awareness against PFI or TTIP? Sadly, it does not bring so much interest in the media.
But that's the point a campaign to save Lewisham hospital is an important issue. The name of a pub FFS isn't and makes the group look pettifogging and infantile. If you don't like it don't use it. Or are you only going after the pub to get media attention? That could back fire big time!
[quote][p][bold]Yabbee[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]PaulErith[/bold] wrote: Next they'll be on to the band UB40 and ask them to change their name! They should grow up and get a sense of perspective. There's bigger things to worry about.[/p][/quote]Do you also think People Before Profit are childish when they campaign to save Lewisham hospital from closure or outsourcing? When they set a food bank or a legal advice center? When they defend public services or housing? When they bring awareness against PFI or TTIP? Sadly, it does not bring so much interest in the media.[/p][/quote]But that's the point a campaign to save Lewisham hospital is an important issue. The name of a pub FFS isn't and makes the group look pettifogging and infantile. If you don't like it don't use it. Or are you only going after the pub to get media attention? That could back fire big time! the wall
  • Score: 39

10:42am Thu 10 Jul 14

michael@doreenbird.co.uk says...

I am not so much worried about the name as about gentrified facilities being made into theme parks on the topic of the people who still live in the area (but maybe can't afford to for long).
I am not so much worried about the name as about gentrified facilities being made into theme parks on the topic of the people who still live in the area (but maybe can't afford to for long). michael@doreenbird.co.uk
  • Score: 4

11:20am Thu 10 Jul 14

Yabbee says...

the wall wrote:
Yabbee wrote:
PaulErith wrote:
Next they'll be on to the band UB40 and ask them to change their name!

They should grow up and get a sense of perspective. There's bigger things to worry about.
Do you also think People Before Profit are childish when they campaign to save Lewisham hospital from closure or outsourcing? When they set a food bank or a legal advice center? When they defend public services or housing? When they bring awareness against PFI or TTIP? Sadly, it does not bring so much interest in the media.
But that's the point a campaign to save Lewisham hospital is an important issue. The name of a pub FFS isn't and makes the group look pettifogging and infantile. If you don't like it don't use it. Or are you only going after the pub to get media attention? That could back fire big time!
Well, in that case, they did not start a petition or organize a demo - just sent a letter and wrote an article, so it does not seem out of proportion. What the media choose to put forward is another issue, not of LPBP responsability.
[quote][p][bold]the wall[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Yabbee[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]PaulErith[/bold] wrote: Next they'll be on to the band UB40 and ask them to change their name! They should grow up and get a sense of perspective. There's bigger things to worry about.[/p][/quote]Do you also think People Before Profit are childish when they campaign to save Lewisham hospital from closure or outsourcing? When they set a food bank or a legal advice center? When they defend public services or housing? When they bring awareness against PFI or TTIP? Sadly, it does not bring so much interest in the media.[/p][/quote]But that's the point a campaign to save Lewisham hospital is an important issue. The name of a pub FFS isn't and makes the group look pettifogging and infantile. If you don't like it don't use it. Or are you only going after the pub to get media attention? That could back fire big time![/p][/quote]Well, in that case, they did not start a petition or organize a demo - just sent a letter and wrote an article, so it does not seem out of proportion. What the media choose to put forward is another issue, not of LPBP responsability. Yabbee
  • Score: -30

11:21am Thu 10 Jul 14

Yabbee says...

the wall wrote:
Yabbee wrote:
PaulErith wrote:
Next they'll be on to the band UB40 and ask them to change their name!

They should grow up and get a sense of perspective. There's bigger things to worry about.
Do you also think People Before Profit are childish when they campaign to save Lewisham hospital from closure or outsourcing? When they set a food bank or a legal advice center? When they defend public services or housing? When they bring awareness against PFI or TTIP? Sadly, it does not bring so much interest in the media.
But that's the point a campaign to save Lewisham hospital is an important issue. The name of a pub FFS isn't and makes the group look pettifogging and infantile. If you don't like it don't use it. Or are you only going after the pub to get media attention? That could back fire big time!
Well, in that case, they did not start a petition or organize a demo - just sent a letter and wrote an article, so it does not seem out of proportion. What the media choose to put forward is another issue, not of LPBP responsability.
[quote][p][bold]the wall[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Yabbee[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]PaulErith[/bold] wrote: Next they'll be on to the band UB40 and ask them to change their name! They should grow up and get a sense of perspective. There's bigger things to worry about.[/p][/quote]Do you also think People Before Profit are childish when they campaign to save Lewisham hospital from closure or outsourcing? When they set a food bank or a legal advice center? When they defend public services or housing? When they bring awareness against PFI or TTIP? Sadly, it does not bring so much interest in the media.[/p][/quote]But that's the point a campaign to save Lewisham hospital is an important issue. The name of a pub FFS isn't and makes the group look pettifogging and infantile. If you don't like it don't use it. Or are you only going after the pub to get media attention? That could back fire big time![/p][/quote]Well, in that case, they did not start a petition or organize a demo - just sent a letter and wrote an article, so it does not seem out of proportion. What the media choose to put forward is another issue, not of LPBP responsability. Yabbee
  • Score: -28

11:23am Thu 10 Jul 14

the wall says...

Still enough to lose some credibility and make them look like silly crack pots.
Still enough to lose some credibility and make them look like silly crack pots. the wall
  • Score: 34

11:54am Thu 10 Jul 14

PaulErith says...

Yabbee wrote:
PaulErith wrote:
Next they'll be on to the band UB40 and ask them to change their name!

They should grow up and get a sense of perspective. There's bigger things to worry about.
Do you also think People Before Profit are childish when they campaign to save Lewisham hospital from closure or outsourcing? When they set a food bank or a legal advice center? When they defend public services or housing? When they bring awareness against PFI or TTIP? Sadly, it does not bring so much interest in the media.
As 'the wall' posted to you, that's exactly the point that I'm making. No, I think it's very good if they campaign to save hospitals or set up food banks. Worrying about a pub name isn't even worth thinking about. It's just a case of taking the whole 'political correctness' thing to extreme levels. I bet nobody in the area is actually offended by the name anyway.
[quote][p][bold]Yabbee[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]PaulErith[/bold] wrote: Next they'll be on to the band UB40 and ask them to change their name! They should grow up and get a sense of perspective. There's bigger things to worry about.[/p][/quote]Do you also think People Before Profit are childish when they campaign to save Lewisham hospital from closure or outsourcing? When they set a food bank or a legal advice center? When they defend public services or housing? When they bring awareness against PFI or TTIP? Sadly, it does not bring so much interest in the media.[/p][/quote]As 'the wall' posted to you, that's exactly the point that I'm making. No, I think it's very good if they campaign to save hospitals or set up food banks. Worrying about a pub name isn't even worth thinking about. It's just a case of taking the whole 'political correctness' thing to extreme levels. I bet nobody in the area is actually offended by the name anyway. PaulErith
  • Score: 29

6:12pm Thu 10 Jul 14

Yabbee says...

PaulErith wrote:
Yabbee wrote:
PaulErith wrote:
Next they'll be on to the band UB40 and ask them to change their name!

They should grow up and get a sense of perspective. There's bigger things to worry about.
Do you also think People Before Profit are childish when they campaign to save Lewisham hospital from closure or outsourcing? When they set a food bank or a legal advice center? When they defend public services or housing? When they bring awareness against PFI or TTIP? Sadly, it does not bring so much interest in the media.
As 'the wall' posted to you, that's exactly the point that I'm making. No, I think it's very good if they campaign to save hospitals or set up food banks. Worrying about a pub name isn't even worth thinking about. It's just a case of taking the whole 'political correctness' thing to extreme levels. I bet nobody in the area is actually offended by the name anyway.
Lots of local people worried about the name of the bar in that article from the Guardian, though...
http://www.theguardi
an.com/lifeandstyle/
2014/jul/09/job-cent
re-bar-backlash-from
-locals-in-south-lon
don-deptford
[quote][p][bold]PaulErith[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Yabbee[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]PaulErith[/bold] wrote: Next they'll be on to the band UB40 and ask them to change their name! They should grow up and get a sense of perspective. There's bigger things to worry about.[/p][/quote]Do you also think People Before Profit are childish when they campaign to save Lewisham hospital from closure or outsourcing? When they set a food bank or a legal advice center? When they defend public services or housing? When they bring awareness against PFI or TTIP? Sadly, it does not bring so much interest in the media.[/p][/quote]As 'the wall' posted to you, that's exactly the point that I'm making. No, I think it's very good if they campaign to save hospitals or set up food banks. Worrying about a pub name isn't even worth thinking about. It's just a case of taking the whole 'political correctness' thing to extreme levels. I bet nobody in the area is actually offended by the name anyway.[/p][/quote]Lots of local people worried about the name of the bar in that article from the Guardian, though... http://www.theguardi an.com/lifeandstyle/ 2014/jul/09/job-cent re-bar-backlash-from -locals-in-south-lon don-deptford Yabbee
  • Score: -25

7:47am Fri 11 Jul 14

goldenbroomboy says...

Yabbee wrote:
PaulErith wrote:
Yabbee wrote:
PaulErith wrote:
Next they'll be on to the band UB40 and ask them to change their name!

They should grow up and get a sense of perspective. There's bigger things to worry about.
Do you also think People Before Profit are childish when they campaign to save Lewisham hospital from closure or outsourcing? When they set a food bank or a legal advice center? When they defend public services or housing? When they bring awareness against PFI or TTIP? Sadly, it does not bring so much interest in the media.
As 'the wall' posted to you, that's exactly the point that I'm making. No, I think it's very good if they campaign to save hospitals or set up food banks. Worrying about a pub name isn't even worth thinking about. It's just a case of taking the whole 'political correctness' thing to extreme levels. I bet nobody in the area is actually offended by the name anyway.
Lots of local people worried about the name of the bar in that article from the Guardian, though...
http://www.theguardi

an.com/lifeandstyle/

2014/jul/09/job-cent

re-bar-backlash-from

-locals-in-south-lon

don-deptford
An article in The Grauniad proves my point about middle class lefties knowing beggar all about the communities they purport to represent!

In case anybody is not aware, "People before Profit" is a front organisation for The Socialist Party aka Militant Tendency aka Revolutionary Socialist League. Militant are most famous for running down Liverpool City Council by driving around in taxis delivering redundancy notices to council staff, although more recently the Militant controlled PCS Union dissolved the Council of Civil Service Unions because the other unions vetoed Militant's strategy of calling members out on strike evry five minuites. As a result each union now has to do their pay & conditions negotiations individually, which has weaked the entire civil & public service trade union position.

TBH I would rather that Militant made fools of themselves over pub names then ruin people's lives with sixth form marxism.
[quote][p][bold]Yabbee[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]PaulErith[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Yabbee[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]PaulErith[/bold] wrote: Next they'll be on to the band UB40 and ask them to change their name! They should grow up and get a sense of perspective. There's bigger things to worry about.[/p][/quote]Do you also think People Before Profit are childish when they campaign to save Lewisham hospital from closure or outsourcing? When they set a food bank or a legal advice center? When they defend public services or housing? When they bring awareness against PFI or TTIP? Sadly, it does not bring so much interest in the media.[/p][/quote]As 'the wall' posted to you, that's exactly the point that I'm making. No, I think it's very good if they campaign to save hospitals or set up food banks. Worrying about a pub name isn't even worth thinking about. It's just a case of taking the whole 'political correctness' thing to extreme levels. I bet nobody in the area is actually offended by the name anyway.[/p][/quote]Lots of local people worried about the name of the bar in that article from the Guardian, though... http://www.theguardi an.com/lifeandstyle/ 2014/jul/09/job-cent re-bar-backlash-from -locals-in-south-lon don-deptford[/p][/quote]An article in The Grauniad proves my point about middle class lefties knowing beggar all about the communities they purport to represent! In case anybody is not aware, "People before Profit" is a front organisation for The Socialist Party aka Militant Tendency aka Revolutionary Socialist League. Militant are most famous for running down Liverpool City Council by driving around in taxis delivering redundancy notices to council staff, although more recently the Militant controlled PCS Union dissolved the Council of Civil Service Unions because the other unions vetoed Militant's strategy of calling members out on strike evry five minuites. As a result each union now has to do their pay & conditions negotiations individually, which has weaked the entire civil & public service trade union position. TBH I would rather that Militant made fools of themselves over pub names then ruin people's lives with sixth form marxism. goldenbroomboy
  • Score: 5

10:00am Fri 11 Jul 14

Yabbee says...

goldenbroomboy wrote:
Yabbee wrote:
PaulErith wrote:
Yabbee wrote:
PaulErith wrote:
Next they'll be on to the band UB40 and ask them to change their name!

They should grow up and get a sense of perspective. There's bigger things to worry about.
Do you also think People Before Profit are childish when they campaign to save Lewisham hospital from closure or outsourcing? When they set a food bank or a legal advice center? When they defend public services or housing? When they bring awareness against PFI or TTIP? Sadly, it does not bring so much interest in the media.
As 'the wall' posted to you, that's exactly the point that I'm making. No, I think it's very good if they campaign to save hospitals or set up food banks. Worrying about a pub name isn't even worth thinking about. It's just a case of taking the whole 'political correctness' thing to extreme levels. I bet nobody in the area is actually offended by the name anyway.
Lots of local people worried about the name of the bar in that article from the Guardian, though...
http://www.theguardi


an.com/lifeandstyle/


2014/jul/09/job-cent


re-bar-backlash-from


-locals-in-south-lon


don-deptford
An article in The Grauniad proves my point about middle class lefties knowing beggar all about the communities they purport to represent!

In case anybody is not aware, "People before Profit" is a front organisation for The Socialist Party aka Militant Tendency aka Revolutionary Socialist League. Militant are most famous for running down Liverpool City Council by driving around in taxis delivering redundancy notices to council staff, although more recently the Militant controlled PCS Union dissolved the Council of Civil Service Unions because the other unions vetoed Militant's strategy of calling members out on strike evry five minuites. As a result each union now has to do their pay & conditions negotiations individually, which has weaked the entire civil & public service trade union position.

TBH I would rather that Militant made fools of themselves over pub names then ruin people's lives with sixth form marxism.
When the debate reaches such a low level, I think it's time to stop it as a complete loss of time.
[quote][p][bold]goldenbroomboy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Yabbee[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]PaulErith[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Yabbee[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]PaulErith[/bold] wrote: Next they'll be on to the band UB40 and ask them to change their name! They should grow up and get a sense of perspective. There's bigger things to worry about.[/p][/quote]Do you also think People Before Profit are childish when they campaign to save Lewisham hospital from closure or outsourcing? When they set a food bank or a legal advice center? When they defend public services or housing? When they bring awareness against PFI or TTIP? Sadly, it does not bring so much interest in the media.[/p][/quote]As 'the wall' posted to you, that's exactly the point that I'm making. No, I think it's very good if they campaign to save hospitals or set up food banks. Worrying about a pub name isn't even worth thinking about. It's just a case of taking the whole 'political correctness' thing to extreme levels. I bet nobody in the area is actually offended by the name anyway.[/p][/quote]Lots of local people worried about the name of the bar in that article from the Guardian, though... http://www.theguardi an.com/lifeandstyle/ 2014/jul/09/job-cent re-bar-backlash-from -locals-in-south-lon don-deptford[/p][/quote]An article in The Grauniad proves my point about middle class lefties knowing beggar all about the communities they purport to represent! In case anybody is not aware, "People before Profit" is a front organisation for The Socialist Party aka Militant Tendency aka Revolutionary Socialist League. Militant are most famous for running down Liverpool City Council by driving around in taxis delivering redundancy notices to council staff, although more recently the Militant controlled PCS Union dissolved the Council of Civil Service Unions because the other unions vetoed Militant's strategy of calling members out on strike evry five minuites. As a result each union now has to do their pay & conditions negotiations individually, which has weaked the entire civil & public service trade union position. TBH I would rather that Militant made fools of themselves over pub names then ruin people's lives with sixth form marxism.[/p][/quote]When the debate reaches such a low level, I think it's time to stop it as a complete loss of time. Yabbee
  • Score: -15

10:52am Fri 11 Jul 14

the wall says...

Yabbee wrote:
goldenbroomboy wrote:
Yabbee wrote:
PaulErith wrote:
Yabbee wrote:
PaulErith wrote:
Next they'll be on to the band UB40 and ask them to change their name!

They should grow up and get a sense of perspective. There's bigger things to worry about.
Do you also think People Before Profit are childish when they campaign to save Lewisham hospital from closure or outsourcing? When they set a food bank or a legal advice center? When they defend public services or housing? When they bring awareness against PFI or TTIP? Sadly, it does not bring so much interest in the media.
As 'the wall' posted to you, that's exactly the point that I'm making. No, I think it's very good if they campaign to save hospitals or set up food banks. Worrying about a pub name isn't even worth thinking about. It's just a case of taking the whole 'political correctness' thing to extreme levels. I bet nobody in the area is actually offended by the name anyway.
Lots of local people worried about the name of the bar in that article from the Guardian, though...
http://www.theguardi



an.com/lifeandstyle/



2014/jul/09/job-cent



re-bar-backlash-from



-locals-in-south-lon



don-deptford
An article in The Grauniad proves my point about middle class lefties knowing beggar all about the communities they purport to represent!

In case anybody is not aware, "People before Profit" is a front organisation for The Socialist Party aka Militant Tendency aka Revolutionary Socialist League. Militant are most famous for running down Liverpool City Council by driving around in taxis delivering redundancy notices to council staff, although more recently the Militant controlled PCS Union dissolved the Council of Civil Service Unions because the other unions vetoed Militant's strategy of calling members out on strike evry five minuites. As a result each union now has to do their pay & conditions negotiations individually, which has weaked the entire civil & public service trade union position.

TBH I would rather that Militant made fools of themselves over pub names then ruin people's lives with sixth form marxism.
When the debate reaches such a low level, I think it's time to stop it as a complete loss of time.
This wasn't a debate. This was 'the people' telling Lewisham People Before Profit to wind their necks in.

LOL The Guardian read by people who earn over 50k a year and own more Apple products than most poor people have ever seen. But aren't you sticking up for the poor of Lewisham? Do you sit around Starbucks sipping Frappucinos while talking about how big businesses are crushing the lower-classes?

GROLIES: Guardian Reader Of Low Intelligence in Ethnic Skirt
[quote][p][bold]Yabbee[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]goldenbroomboy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Yabbee[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]PaulErith[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Yabbee[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]PaulErith[/bold] wrote: Next they'll be on to the band UB40 and ask them to change their name! They should grow up and get a sense of perspective. There's bigger things to worry about.[/p][/quote]Do you also think People Before Profit are childish when they campaign to save Lewisham hospital from closure or outsourcing? When they set a food bank or a legal advice center? When they defend public services or housing? When they bring awareness against PFI or TTIP? Sadly, it does not bring so much interest in the media.[/p][/quote]As 'the wall' posted to you, that's exactly the point that I'm making. No, I think it's very good if they campaign to save hospitals or set up food banks. Worrying about a pub name isn't even worth thinking about. It's just a case of taking the whole 'political correctness' thing to extreme levels. I bet nobody in the area is actually offended by the name anyway.[/p][/quote]Lots of local people worried about the name of the bar in that article from the Guardian, though... http://www.theguardi an.com/lifeandstyle/ 2014/jul/09/job-cent re-bar-backlash-from -locals-in-south-lon don-deptford[/p][/quote]An article in The Grauniad proves my point about middle class lefties knowing beggar all about the communities they purport to represent! In case anybody is not aware, "People before Profit" is a front organisation for The Socialist Party aka Militant Tendency aka Revolutionary Socialist League. Militant are most famous for running down Liverpool City Council by driving around in taxis delivering redundancy notices to council staff, although more recently the Militant controlled PCS Union dissolved the Council of Civil Service Unions because the other unions vetoed Militant's strategy of calling members out on strike evry five minuites. As a result each union now has to do their pay & conditions negotiations individually, which has weaked the entire civil & public service trade union position. TBH I would rather that Militant made fools of themselves over pub names then ruin people's lives with sixth form marxism.[/p][/quote]When the debate reaches such a low level, I think it's time to stop it as a complete loss of time.[/p][/quote]This wasn't a debate. This was 'the people' telling Lewisham People Before Profit to wind their necks in. LOL The Guardian read by people who earn over 50k a year and own more Apple products than most poor people have ever seen. But aren't you sticking up for the poor of Lewisham? Do you sit around Starbucks sipping Frappucinos while talking about how big businesses are crushing the lower-classes? GROLIES: Guardian Reader Of Low Intelligence in Ethnic Skirt the wall
  • Score: 17

11:03am Fri 11 Jul 14

hogarth24 says...

the wall wrote:
​John Hamilton ​Lewisham People Before Profit 6,014 - ​8.33% This is the online result I found.

This is a 1st world problem of no life threatening significance.
John Hamilton Secured 29% of the Vote in Telegraph Hill Ward in Mays Local election.in Deptford Ray Woolford secured 24% plus of the vote increasing his share of the vote by 60% in the Deptford Evelyn By Election last March Lewisham People Before Profit again secured 25% of the vote and got more votes than Lib Dems, UKIP, Torys all together.Clearly unlike most commentators People Before Profit do community work whilst most negastive comments are from people who are tp lazy to get beyound the sofa and almost certainly if they do vote vote BNP.
[quote][p][bold]the wall[/bold] wrote: ​John Hamilton ​Lewisham People Before Profit 6,014 - ​8.33% This is the online result I found. This is a 1st world problem of no life threatening significance.[/p][/quote]John Hamilton Secured 29% of the Vote in Telegraph Hill Ward in Mays Local election.in Deptford Ray Woolford secured 24% plus of the vote increasing his share of the vote by 60% in the Deptford Evelyn By Election last March Lewisham People Before Profit again secured 25% of the vote and got more votes than Lib Dems, UKIP, Torys all together.Clearly unlike most commentators People Before Profit do community work whilst most negastive comments are from people who are tp lazy to get beyound the sofa and almost certainly if they do vote vote BNP. hogarth24
  • Score: -14

11:03am Fri 11 Jul 14

hogarth24 says...

the wall wrote:
​John Hamilton ​Lewisham People Before Profit 6,014 - ​8.33% This is the online result I found.

This is a 1st world problem of no life threatening significance.
John Hamilton Secured 29% of the Vote in Telegraph Hill Ward in Mays Local election.in Deptford Ray Woolford secured 24% plus of the vote increasing his share of the vote by 60% in the Deptford Evelyn By Election last March Lewisham People Before Profit again secured 25% of the vote and got more votes than Lib Dems, UKIP, Torys all together.Clearly unlike most commentators People Before Profit do community work whilst most negastive comments are from people who are tp lazy to get beyound the sofa and almost certainly if they do vote vote BNP.
[quote][p][bold]the wall[/bold] wrote: ​John Hamilton ​Lewisham People Before Profit 6,014 - ​8.33% This is the online result I found. This is a 1st world problem of no life threatening significance.[/p][/quote]John Hamilton Secured 29% of the Vote in Telegraph Hill Ward in Mays Local election.in Deptford Ray Woolford secured 24% plus of the vote increasing his share of the vote by 60% in the Deptford Evelyn By Election last March Lewisham People Before Profit again secured 25% of the vote and got more votes than Lib Dems, UKIP, Torys all together.Clearly unlike most commentators People Before Profit do community work whilst most negastive comments are from people who are tp lazy to get beyound the sofa and almost certainly if they do vote vote BNP. hogarth24
  • Score: -18

11:12am Fri 11 Jul 14

hogarth24 says...

Yabbee wrote:
the wall wrote:
Yabbee wrote:
PaulErith wrote:
Next they'll be on to the band UB40 and ask them to change their name!

They should grow up and get a sense of perspective. There's bigger things to worry about.
Do you also think People Before Profit are childish when they campaign to save Lewisham hospital from closure or outsourcing? When they set a food bank or a legal advice center? When they defend public services or housing? When they bring awareness against PFI or TTIP? Sadly, it does not bring so much interest in the media.
But that's the point a campaign to save Lewisham hospital is an important issue. The name of a pub FFS isn't and makes the group look pettifogging and infantile. If you don't like it don't use it. Or are you only going after the pub to get media attention? That could back fire big time!
Well, in that case, they did not start a petition or organize a demo - just sent a letter and wrote an article, so it does not seem out of proportion. What the media choose to put forward is another issue, not of LPBP responsability.
Lewisham People Before Profit do huge number of campaigns, they do not chose which campaign the press and social media will run with. The pub name is offensive as agreed by the pub owners who have apologised but refuse to change name. Tnhis building past 4 years was an awesome Arts collective called TUtopia, before that the office for the local Mercury news[paper.. so clearly great names could have been selected. but they chose to use a name that offends to boost profit, PB$P are not opposed to a pub, the issue is that Deptford neds to see its History, Heritage and community reflected in what is going on, a clear point on the blog Lewishamcampaignerbl
ogspot Labour Party have been bought out by big business long ago, i am so pleased i live in a Borough that has such an awesome community activist party as Lewisham People Before Profit,Fighting Cuts and privatisation,Shamin
g the Goverment by running food Banks and Legal advice surgerys, as well as i hear Breakfast and Lunch Clubs over the summer for familes dependent on free school meals who have no cash to keed kids during the holidays..Clearly this is a Part that does stuff and gets things done, which is why more and more Local residents who care about what is going on, vote People Before Profit and are proud to do so, as a disabled resident only wish i could do more to help them than just pledge my vote. But i and my family will not be going to The Job Centre Bar..
[quote][p][bold]Yabbee[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]the wall[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Yabbee[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]PaulErith[/bold] wrote: Next they'll be on to the band UB40 and ask them to change their name! They should grow up and get a sense of perspective. There's bigger things to worry about.[/p][/quote]Do you also think People Before Profit are childish when they campaign to save Lewisham hospital from closure or outsourcing? When they set a food bank or a legal advice center? When they defend public services or housing? When they bring awareness against PFI or TTIP? Sadly, it does not bring so much interest in the media.[/p][/quote]But that's the point a campaign to save Lewisham hospital is an important issue. The name of a pub FFS isn't and makes the group look pettifogging and infantile. If you don't like it don't use it. Or are you only going after the pub to get media attention? That could back fire big time![/p][/quote]Well, in that case, they did not start a petition or organize a demo - just sent a letter and wrote an article, so it does not seem out of proportion. What the media choose to put forward is another issue, not of LPBP responsability.[/p][/quote]Lewisham People Before Profit do huge number of campaigns, they do not chose which campaign the press and social media will run with. The pub name is offensive as agreed by the pub owners who have apologised but refuse to change name. Tnhis building past 4 years was an awesome Arts collective called TUtopia, before that the office for the local Mercury news[paper.. so clearly great names could have been selected. but they chose to use a name that offends to boost profit, PB$P are not opposed to a pub, the issue is that Deptford neds to see its History, Heritage and community reflected in what is going on, a clear point on the blog Lewishamcampaignerbl ogspot Labour Party have been bought out by big business long ago, i am so pleased i live in a Borough that has such an awesome community activist party as Lewisham People Before Profit,Fighting Cuts and privatisation,Shamin g the Goverment by running food Banks and Legal advice surgerys, as well as i hear Breakfast and Lunch Clubs over the summer for familes dependent on free school meals who have no cash to keed kids during the holidays..Clearly this is a Part that does stuff and gets things done, which is why more and more Local residents who care about what is going on, vote People Before Profit and are proud to do so, as a disabled resident only wish i could do more to help them than just pledge my vote. But i and my family will not be going to The Job Centre Bar.. hogarth24
  • Score: -13

11:17am Fri 11 Jul 14

hogarth24 says...

sarfflondonbird wrote:
All I can say is its a good job this organisation didn't get a seat in the elections, a lot of hot air over nothing.
So How about helping them on the TITIp campaign, Fighting cuts and Privatisation.. Being a Volunteer at the food banks or advice centres they run...helping out with the Charity shop..Helping with the outreach work helping the housebound.. Helping with the South London Energy Co-Op they are part of..Being a volunterr in the Deptford Heritage Festival 1-4 May 2015 that they have launched to reflect areas Heritage, History and Community..
Help? no i think what they do shames the reality that you do nothing but abuse the good work of others. Lewisham People BeforeV Profit.. you should be proud you have such an awesome choice to vote for in the elections.. Whjilst Labour line there own pockets. These guys care 24 hours a day 7 days a week, and not just at election time.. Labour Won in May..are you aware who or what your local Labour Councillor does or is?
[quote][p][bold]sarfflondonbird[/bold] wrote: All I can say is its a good job this organisation didn't get a seat in the elections, a lot of hot air over nothing.[/p][/quote]So How about helping them on the TITIp campaign, Fighting cuts and Privatisation.. Being a Volunteer at the food banks or advice centres they run...helping out with the Charity shop..Helping with the outreach work helping the housebound.. Helping with the South London Energy Co-Op they are part of..Being a volunterr in the Deptford Heritage Festival 1-4 May 2015 that they have launched to reflect areas Heritage, History and Community.. Help? no i think what they do shames the reality that you do nothing but abuse the good work of others. Lewisham People BeforeV Profit.. you should be proud you have such an awesome choice to vote for in the elections.. Whjilst Labour line there own pockets. These guys care 24 hours a day 7 days a week, and not just at election time.. Labour Won in May..are you aware who or what your local Labour Councillor does or is? hogarth24
  • Score: -10

11:18am Fri 11 Jul 14

hogarth24 says...

sarfflondonbird wrote:
All I can say is its a good job this organisation didn't get a seat in the elections, a lot of hot air over nothing.
So How about helping them on the TITIp campaign, Fighting cuts and Privatisation.. Being a Volunteer at the food banks or advice centres they run...helping out with the Charity shop..Helping with the outreach work helping the housebound.. Helping with the South London Energy Co-Op they are part of..Being a volunterr in the Deptford Heritage Festival 1-4 May 2015 that they have launched to reflect areas Heritage, History and Community..
Help? no i think what they do shames the reality that you do nothing but abuse the good work of others. Lewisham People BeforeV Profit.. you should be proud you have such an awesome choice to vote for in the elections.. Whjilst Labour line there own pockets. These guys care 24 hours a day 7 days a week, and not just at election time.. Labour Won in May..are you aware who or what your local Labour Councillor does or is?
[quote][p][bold]sarfflondonbird[/bold] wrote: All I can say is its a good job this organisation didn't get a seat in the elections, a lot of hot air over nothing.[/p][/quote]So How about helping them on the TITIp campaign, Fighting cuts and Privatisation.. Being a Volunteer at the food banks or advice centres they run...helping out with the Charity shop..Helping with the outreach work helping the housebound.. Helping with the South London Energy Co-Op they are part of..Being a volunterr in the Deptford Heritage Festival 1-4 May 2015 that they have launched to reflect areas Heritage, History and Community.. Help? no i think what they do shames the reality that you do nothing but abuse the good work of others. Lewisham People BeforeV Profit.. you should be proud you have such an awesome choice to vote for in the elections.. Whjilst Labour line there own pockets. These guys care 24 hours a day 7 days a week, and not just at election time.. Labour Won in May..are you aware who or what your local Labour Councillor does or is? hogarth24
  • Score: -16

12:08pm Fri 11 Jul 14

the wall says...

hogarth24 wrote:
the wall wrote:
​John Hamilton ​Lewisham People Before Profit 6,014 - ​8.33% This is the online result I found.

This is a 1st world problem of no life threatening significance.
John Hamilton Secured 29% of the Vote in Telegraph Hill Ward in Mays Local election.in Deptford Ray Woolford secured 24% plus of the vote increasing his share of the vote by 60% in the Deptford Evelyn By Election last March Lewisham People Before Profit again secured 25% of the vote and got more votes than Lib Dems, UKIP, Torys all together.Clearly unlike most commentators People Before Profit do community work whilst most negastive comments are from people who are tp lazy to get beyound the sofa and almost certainly if they do vote vote BNP.
Evelyn​ - David Michael​ ​Labour ​1,930: Jamie Milne​ ​Labour ​1,743: Crada Nkechinyere Onuegbu​ Labour​ ​1,571

https://www.lewisham
.gov.uk/mayorandcoun
cil/elections/electi
ons-2014/Pages/Elect
ion-results-for-22-M
ay-2014.aspx

IMHO You bleat out a load of rubbish. Your attitude says ' We do all this community work so you should all respect us' What do you want a medal? You're not the only one that does work for the community/charity, but you're the only one bragging about it.

RE your BNP comment. I'm mixed race so why would I be voting BNP?
[quote][p][bold]hogarth24[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]the wall[/bold] wrote: ​John Hamilton ​Lewisham People Before Profit 6,014 - ​8.33% This is the online result I found. This is a 1st world problem of no life threatening significance.[/p][/quote]John Hamilton Secured 29% of the Vote in Telegraph Hill Ward in Mays Local election.in Deptford Ray Woolford secured 24% plus of the vote increasing his share of the vote by 60% in the Deptford Evelyn By Election last March Lewisham People Before Profit again secured 25% of the vote and got more votes than Lib Dems, UKIP, Torys all together.Clearly unlike most commentators People Before Profit do community work whilst most negastive comments are from people who are tp lazy to get beyound the sofa and almost certainly if they do vote vote BNP.[/p][/quote]Evelyn​ - David Michael​ ​Labour ​1,930: Jamie Milne​ ​Labour ​1,743: Crada Nkechinyere Onuegbu​ Labour​ ​1,571 https://www.lewisham .gov.uk/mayorandcoun cil/elections/electi ons-2014/Pages/Elect ion-results-for-22-M ay-2014.aspx IMHO You bleat out a load of rubbish. Your attitude says ' We do all this community work so you should all respect us' What do you want a medal? You're not the only one that does work for the community/charity, but you're the only one bragging about it. RE your BNP comment. I'm mixed race so why would I be voting BNP? the wall
  • Score: 17

12:32pm Fri 11 Jul 14

goldenbroomboy says...

Yabbee wrote:
goldenbroomboy wrote:
Yabbee wrote:
PaulErith wrote:
Yabbee wrote:
PaulErith wrote:
Next they'll be on to the band UB40 and ask them to change their name!

They should grow up and get a sense of perspective. There's bigger things to worry about.
Do you also think People Before Profit are childish when they campaign to save Lewisham hospital from closure or outsourcing? When they set a food bank or a legal advice center? When they defend public services or housing? When they bring awareness against PFI or TTIP? Sadly, it does not bring so much interest in the media.
As 'the wall' posted to you, that's exactly the point that I'm making. No, I think it's very good if they campaign to save hospitals or set up food banks. Worrying about a pub name isn't even worth thinking about. It's just a case of taking the whole 'political correctness' thing to extreme levels. I bet nobody in the area is actually offended by the name anyway.
Lots of local people worried about the name of the bar in that article from the Guardian, though...
http://www.theguardi



an.com/lifeandstyle/



2014/jul/09/job-cent



re-bar-backlash-from



-locals-in-south-lon



don-deptford
An article in The Grauniad proves my point about middle class lefties knowing beggar all about the communities they purport to represent!

In case anybody is not aware, "People before Profit" is a front organisation for The Socialist Party aka Militant Tendency aka Revolutionary Socialist League. Militant are most famous for running down Liverpool City Council by driving around in taxis delivering redundancy notices to council staff, although more recently the Militant controlled PCS Union dissolved the Council of Civil Service Unions because the other unions vetoed Militant's strategy of calling members out on strike evry five minuites. As a result each union now has to do their pay & conditions negotiations individually, which has weaked the entire civil & public service trade union position.

TBH I would rather that Militant made fools of themselves over pub names then ruin people's lives with sixth form marxism.
When the debate reaches such a low level, I think it's time to stop it as a complete loss of time.
I read once of a young man who styled himself as "Prince Michael Romanov" in Chicago in the thirties. When introduced to an exiled Russian aristocrat, the latter looked suspiciously at him & then spoke to him in Russian. "Prince Michael" replied "I don't think we should be rude to our hosts like that" & swiftly left the room.
[quote][p][bold]Yabbee[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]goldenbroomboy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Yabbee[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]PaulErith[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Yabbee[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]PaulErith[/bold] wrote: Next they'll be on to the band UB40 and ask them to change their name! They should grow up and get a sense of perspective. There's bigger things to worry about.[/p][/quote]Do you also think People Before Profit are childish when they campaign to save Lewisham hospital from closure or outsourcing? When they set a food bank or a legal advice center? When they defend public services or housing? When they bring awareness against PFI or TTIP? Sadly, it does not bring so much interest in the media.[/p][/quote]As 'the wall' posted to you, that's exactly the point that I'm making. No, I think it's very good if they campaign to save hospitals or set up food banks. Worrying about a pub name isn't even worth thinking about. It's just a case of taking the whole 'political correctness' thing to extreme levels. I bet nobody in the area is actually offended by the name anyway.[/p][/quote]Lots of local people worried about the name of the bar in that article from the Guardian, though... http://www.theguardi an.com/lifeandstyle/ 2014/jul/09/job-cent re-bar-backlash-from -locals-in-south-lon don-deptford[/p][/quote]An article in The Grauniad proves my point about middle class lefties knowing beggar all about the communities they purport to represent! In case anybody is not aware, "People before Profit" is a front organisation for The Socialist Party aka Militant Tendency aka Revolutionary Socialist League. Militant are most famous for running down Liverpool City Council by driving around in taxis delivering redundancy notices to council staff, although more recently the Militant controlled PCS Union dissolved the Council of Civil Service Unions because the other unions vetoed Militant's strategy of calling members out on strike evry five minuites. As a result each union now has to do their pay & conditions negotiations individually, which has weaked the entire civil & public service trade union position. TBH I would rather that Militant made fools of themselves over pub names then ruin people's lives with sixth form marxism.[/p][/quote]When the debate reaches such a low level, I think it's time to stop it as a complete loss of time.[/p][/quote]I read once of a young man who styled himself as "Prince Michael Romanov" in Chicago in the thirties. When introduced to an exiled Russian aristocrat, the latter looked suspiciously at him & then spoke to him in Russian. "Prince Michael" replied "I don't think we should be rude to our hosts like that" & swiftly left the room. goldenbroomboy
  • Score: 9

2:26pm Fri 11 Jul 14

hogarth24 says...

PaulErith wrote:
Yabbee wrote:
PaulErith wrote:
Next they'll be on to the band UB40 and ask them to change their name!

They should grow up and get a sense of perspective. There's bigger things to worry about.
Do you also think People Before Profit are childish when they campaign to save Lewisham hospital from closure or outsourcing? When they set a food bank or a legal advice center? When they defend public services or housing? When they bring awareness against PFI or TTIP? Sadly, it does not bring so much interest in the media.
As 'the wall' posted to you, that's exactly the point that I'm making. No, I think it's very good if they campaign to save hospitals or set up food banks. Worrying about a pub name isn't even worth thinking about. It's just a case of taking the whole 'political correctness' thing to extreme levels. I bet nobody in the area is actually offended by the name anyway.
As a Local resident i am offended. you need to read the People Before Profit on the blog Lewishamcampaignerbl
ogspot to get the facts and clear understanding of the issue and then when you read it, you will understand why loads of us local residents support People Before Profit position on this and the long overdue debate they have lead us on./
[quote][p][bold]PaulErith[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Yabbee[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]PaulErith[/bold] wrote: Next they'll be on to the band UB40 and ask them to change their name! They should grow up and get a sense of perspective. There's bigger things to worry about.[/p][/quote]Do you also think People Before Profit are childish when they campaign to save Lewisham hospital from closure or outsourcing? When they set a food bank or a legal advice center? When they defend public services or housing? When they bring awareness against PFI or TTIP? Sadly, it does not bring so much interest in the media.[/p][/quote]As 'the wall' posted to you, that's exactly the point that I'm making. No, I think it's very good if they campaign to save hospitals or set up food banks. Worrying about a pub name isn't even worth thinking about. It's just a case of taking the whole 'political correctness' thing to extreme levels. I bet nobody in the area is actually offended by the name anyway.[/p][/quote]As a Local resident i am offended. you need to read the People Before Profit on the blog Lewishamcampaignerbl ogspot to get the facts and clear understanding of the issue and then when you read it, you will understand why loads of us local residents support People Before Profit position on this and the long overdue debate they have lead us on./ hogarth24
  • Score: -20

2:26pm Fri 11 Jul 14

hogarth24 says...

PaulErith wrote:
Yabbee wrote:
PaulErith wrote:
Next they'll be on to the band UB40 and ask them to change their name!

They should grow up and get a sense of perspective. There's bigger things to worry about.
Do you also think People Before Profit are childish when they campaign to save Lewisham hospital from closure or outsourcing? When they set a food bank or a legal advice center? When they defend public services or housing? When they bring awareness against PFI or TTIP? Sadly, it does not bring so much interest in the media.
As 'the wall' posted to you, that's exactly the point that I'm making. No, I think it's very good if they campaign to save hospitals or set up food banks. Worrying about a pub name isn't even worth thinking about. It's just a case of taking the whole 'political correctness' thing to extreme levels. I bet nobody in the area is actually offended by the name anyway.
As a Local resident i am offended. you need to read the People Before Profit on the blog Lewishamcampaignerbl
ogspot to get the facts and clear understanding of the issue and then when you read it, you will understand why loads of us local residents support People Before Profit position on this and the long overdue debate they have lead us on./
[quote][p][bold]PaulErith[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Yabbee[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]PaulErith[/bold] wrote: Next they'll be on to the band UB40 and ask them to change their name! They should grow up and get a sense of perspective. There's bigger things to worry about.[/p][/quote]Do you also think People Before Profit are childish when they campaign to save Lewisham hospital from closure or outsourcing? When they set a food bank or a legal advice center? When they defend public services or housing? When they bring awareness against PFI or TTIP? Sadly, it does not bring so much interest in the media.[/p][/quote]As 'the wall' posted to you, that's exactly the point that I'm making. No, I think it's very good if they campaign to save hospitals or set up food banks. Worrying about a pub name isn't even worth thinking about. It's just a case of taking the whole 'political correctness' thing to extreme levels. I bet nobody in the area is actually offended by the name anyway.[/p][/quote]As a Local resident i am offended. you need to read the People Before Profit on the blog Lewishamcampaignerbl ogspot to get the facts and clear understanding of the issue and then when you read it, you will understand why loads of us local residents support People Before Profit position on this and the long overdue debate they have lead us on./ hogarth24
  • Score: -20

7:56pm Sat 12 Jul 14

MichaelSTW says...

I am a bit confused by goldenbroomboy's comment about LPBP being a front for the Socialist Party. When I last looked, the Socialist Party was part of TUSC, which stands against LPBP. No doubt, there's something dubious in the history of just about every political party, so maybe it doesn't matter which is which?
I am a bit confused by goldenbroomboy's comment about LPBP being a front for the Socialist Party. When I last looked, the Socialist Party was part of TUSC, which stands against LPBP. No doubt, there's something dubious in the history of just about every political party, so maybe it doesn't matter which is which? MichaelSTW
  • Score: -3

1:28pm Wed 16 Jul 14

Toolbox69 says...

People are too easily offfended these days. Get over yourselves!
People are too easily offfended these days. Get over yourselves! Toolbox69
  • Score: 3

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