Swan killer did not know what bird he had beheaded and likes the Queen "very much"

Swan killer did not know what bird he had beheaded

Swan killer did not know what bird he had beheaded

Bob Morris caught the swan killer

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A man caught stuffing a headless swan corpse into his rucksack has said he did not know what bird it was.

Hasan Fidan, 46, was fined after an angler snapped him packing the creature into a bag at a beauty spot in Hildenborough.

Bob Morris, who runs a rod company at the Swan Business Park in Sandpit Road, Dartford, watched in horror as Fidan killed the bird.

The incident happened on March 18 at at the scenic 18-acre Bennett's Lake and police later found remnants of the bird in Fidan's freezer.

However the Evening Standard has spoken to Fidan who has revealed he likes the Queen “very much”.

Yesterday (June 2) Fidan  told the newspaper: “I did not know what type of bird it was.

"For me it was any type of bird. I didn’t know the Queen owned them.

“I like the Queen very much.

“The moment the police told me what I did was wrong, I said I was sorry.”

He was arrested after Mr Morris saw the incident unfold whilst he was fishing.

News Shopper: Swan-killer caught by angler whilst stuffing headless corpse into rucksack

The 64-year-old said: "He grabbed the swan and sat down on it and then took out a knife and cut its head off.

"I was stunned - I couldn't believe what I was seeing."

Mr Morris, who is a volunteer bailiff, took a photo as Fidan stuffed the swan's body into his rucksack.

Thanks to the snap, police soon discovered the swan killer's identity and tracked him down to his home in Tonbridge 10 days after the incident.

Police confirmed the photo taken by Mr Morris was used to identify the swan-killer when he was spotted at another lake on March 28.

Mr Morris - whose book Carping Aside was published last year - said police had discovered the swan cut up into portions in a freezer at Fidan’s home.

At Sevenoaks Magistrates’ Court on May 27, Fidan was handed a £110 fine, with £85 in court costs and a £20 victim surcharge - a total of £215 - after pleading guilty to killing a wild bird.

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11:39am Tue 3 Jun 14

Gypo.Joe says...

If all else fails...plead ignorance !
If all else fails...plead ignorance ! Gypo.Joe
  • Score: 7

12:35pm Tue 3 Jun 14

ripnetuk says...

What a crazy world we live in where a guy who makes a living selling implements used to torture fish is passing comment on someone killing a bird... doesnt he realise he is just as bad posing with that poor fish for the paper ???
What a crazy world we live in where a guy who makes a living selling implements used to torture fish is passing comment on someone killing a bird... doesnt he realise he is just as bad posing with that poor fish for the paper ??? ripnetuk
  • Score: 18

12:35pm Tue 3 Jun 14

sarfflondonbird says...

He likes the Queen...............
..well bless him.
"For me, it was any type of bird". Well there you go, any ole bird will do!!!!
Shut up Gypo before you start..............T
hank you.
Don't matter what sort of bird it was, it was not available to kill. If he wants a bird to eat, then let him pay for it at the supermarkets or farms like the rest of us, and if he cant afford to then tough. Sod off back home. People like him we can well do without.,......What will he try his hand at next?
He likes the Queen............... ..well bless him. "For me, it was any type of bird". Well there you go, any ole bird will do!!!! Shut up Gypo before you start..............T hank you. Don't matter what sort of bird it was, it was not available to kill. If he wants a bird to eat, then let him pay for it at the supermarkets or farms like the rest of us, and if he cant afford to then tough. Sod off back home. People like him we can well do without.,......What will he try his hand at next? sarfflondonbird
  • Score: 1

1:13pm Tue 3 Jun 14

ripnetuk says...

sarfflondonbird wrote:
He likes the Queen...............

..well bless him.
"For me, it was any type of bird". Well there you go, any ole bird will do!!!!
Shut up Gypo before you start..............T

hank you.
Don't matter what sort of bird it was, it was not available to kill. If he wants a bird to eat, then let him pay for it at the supermarkets or farms like the rest of us, and if he cant afford to then tough. Sod off back home. People like him we can well do without.,......What will he try his hand at next?
Im not sure its illegal to kill wild animals (except swans...) so if he didnt know that he can be excused. At least he was eating it, rather than just killing for fun like our royal family do.

Also, no matter what he has done, making him sod off back to tonbridge (his home from TFA) is a bit cruel..
[quote][p][bold]sarfflondonbird[/bold] wrote: He likes the Queen............... ..well bless him. "For me, it was any type of bird". Well there you go, any ole bird will do!!!! Shut up Gypo before you start..............T hank you. Don't matter what sort of bird it was, it was not available to kill. If he wants a bird to eat, then let him pay for it at the supermarkets or farms like the rest of us, and if he cant afford to then tough. Sod off back home. People like him we can well do without.,......What will he try his hand at next?[/p][/quote]Im not sure its illegal to kill wild animals (except swans...) so if he didnt know that he can be excused. At least he was eating it, rather than just killing for fun like our royal family do. Also, no matter what he has done, making him sod off back to tonbridge (his home from TFA) is a bit cruel.. ripnetuk
  • Score: 11

1:40pm Tue 3 Jun 14

The Fozziest of Bears says...

Anyone for anymore of Blair/Brown's diversity "shoved down their throat".

I don't think Hasan Fidan the swan eater is from Tonbridge, that's probably just where Britain has provided him with shelter while he works his way through our wildlife.
Anyone for anymore of Blair/Brown's diversity "shoved down their throat". I don't think Hasan Fidan the swan eater is from Tonbridge, that's probably just where Britain has provided him with shelter while he works his way through our wildlife. The Fozziest of Bears
  • Score: 29

8:15pm Tue 3 Jun 14

Bevangirl says...

And will this stupid moron pay the fines? I don't suppose so. Sent him back to wherever he came from - we can do without his type here!
And will this stupid moron pay the fines? I don't suppose so. Sent him back to wherever he came from - we can do without his type here! Bevangirl
  • Score: 25

10:33pm Tue 3 Jun 14

ripnetuk says...

i mean seriously, even Hitler didnt send people to tonbridge...
i mean seriously, even Hitler didnt send people to tonbridge... ripnetuk
  • Score: -19

9:02am Wed 4 Jun 14

ripnetuk says...

so if he had done exactly the same minor crime and was called John Smith it would have attracted "sod off back to where you came from" type comments?

There you go.
so if he had done exactly the same minor crime and was called John Smith it would have attracted "sod off back to where you came from" type comments? There you go. ripnetuk
  • Score: -22

10:47am Wed 4 Jun 14

the wall says...

ripnetuk wrote:
so if he had done exactly the same minor crime and was called John Smith it would have attracted "sod off back to where you came from" type comments?

There you go.
This ^
[quote][p][bold]ripnetuk[/bold] wrote: so if he had done exactly the same minor crime and was called John Smith it would have attracted "sod off back to where you came from" type comments? There you go.[/p][/quote]This ^ the wall
  • Score: -20

12:15pm Wed 4 Jun 14

PaulErith says...

ripnetuk wrote:
so if he had done exactly the same minor crime and was called John Smith it would have attracted "sod off back to where you came from" type comments?

There you go.
No it wouldn't because somebody born in England (regardless of their colour or historic ethnicity) is British, and by that virtue is our problem. They would still have attracted comments expressing disgust, and they should still be punished. However, part of the pact or contract of allowing someone to set up home from abroad in the country, should be a condition that if they commit a crime they can be deported after serving their punishment. I wouldn't write "sod off back" etc, but in slightly more diplomatic and less racist tones, I do agree that non British born criminals should be deported.
[quote][p][bold]ripnetuk[/bold] wrote: so if he had done exactly the same minor crime and was called John Smith it would have attracted "sod off back to where you came from" type comments? There you go.[/p][/quote]No it wouldn't because somebody born in England (regardless of their colour or historic ethnicity) is British, and by that virtue is our problem. They would still have attracted comments expressing disgust, and they should still be punished. However, part of the pact or contract of allowing someone to set up home from abroad in the country, should be a condition that if they commit a crime they can be deported after serving their punishment. I wouldn't write "sod off back" etc, but in slightly more diplomatic and less racist tones, I do agree that non British born criminals should be deported. PaulErith
  • Score: 25

12:49pm Wed 4 Jun 14

ripnetuk says...

Who ever said he wasnt British born ??? this has been inferred from his name and his lack of knowledge of obscure swan laws... AFAICT nowhere in the article does it say he is an immigrant. I still call racism here.
Who ever said he wasnt British born ??? this has been inferred from his name and his lack of knowledge of obscure swan laws... AFAICT nowhere in the article does it say he is an immigrant. I still call racism here. ripnetuk
  • Score: -20

12:59pm Wed 4 Jun 14

PaulErith says...

ripnetuk wrote:
Who ever said he wasnt British born ??? this has been inferred from his name and his lack of knowledge of obscure swan laws... AFAICT nowhere in the article does it say he is an immigrant. I still call racism here.
Fair enough. If that's the point you're trying to make, I'll give you that one. It is wrong to judge purely on name. If he isn't British then I stand by my previous argument.
[quote][p][bold]ripnetuk[/bold] wrote: Who ever said he wasnt British born ??? this has been inferred from his name and his lack of knowledge of obscure swan laws... AFAICT nowhere in the article does it say he is an immigrant. I still call racism here.[/p][/quote]Fair enough. If that's the point you're trying to make, I'll give you that one. It is wrong to judge purely on name. If he isn't British then I stand by my previous argument. PaulErith
  • Score: 17

1:04pm Wed 4 Jun 14

ripnetuk says...

To be fair, it only takes a quick google to reveal (via the Daily 'Racist' Mail) that he is in fact Turkish (and unemployed as well... ) and arrived in the UK in 2006.

However I stand by my point that there is no need to explain why "Sod off back where you came from" directed at an immigrant could be seen as a little racist... Id imagine if that was said to his face it could be the basis for a criminal prosecution.

Maybe study the language of the far right to see what I mean???
To be fair, it only takes a quick google to reveal (via the Daily 'Racist' Mail) that he is in fact Turkish (and unemployed as well... ) and arrived in the UK in 2006. However I stand by my point that there is no need to explain why "Sod off back where you came from" directed at an immigrant could be seen as a little racist... Id imagine if that was said to his face it could be the basis for a criminal prosecution. Maybe study the language of the far right to see what I mean??? ripnetuk
  • Score: -21

1:59pm Wed 4 Jun 14

the wall says...

PaulErith wrote:
ripnetuk wrote:
so if he had done exactly the same minor crime and was called John Smith it would have attracted "sod off back to where you came from" type comments?

There you go.
No it wouldn't because somebody born in England (regardless of their colour or historic ethnicity) is British, and by that virtue is our problem. They would still have attracted comments expressing disgust, and they should still be punished. However, part of the pact or contract of allowing someone to set up home from abroad in the country, should be a condition that if they commit a crime they can be deported after serving their punishment. I wouldn't write "sod off back" etc, but in slightly more diplomatic and less racist tones, I do agree that non British born criminals should be deported.
Would that be any crime?
[quote][p][bold]PaulErith[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ripnetuk[/bold] wrote: so if he had done exactly the same minor crime and was called John Smith it would have attracted "sod off back to where you came from" type comments? There you go.[/p][/quote]No it wouldn't because somebody born in England (regardless of their colour or historic ethnicity) is British, and by that virtue is our problem. They would still have attracted comments expressing disgust, and they should still be punished. However, part of the pact or contract of allowing someone to set up home from abroad in the country, should be a condition that if they commit a crime they can be deported after serving their punishment. I wouldn't write "sod off back" etc, but in slightly more diplomatic and less racist tones, I do agree that non British born criminals should be deported.[/p][/quote]Would that be any crime? the wall
  • Score: -17

2:02pm Wed 4 Jun 14

ripnetuk says...

the wall wrote:
PaulErith wrote:
ripnetuk wrote:
so if he had done exactly the same minor crime and was called John Smith it would have attracted "sod off back to where you came from" type comments?

There you go.
No it wouldn't because somebody born in England (regardless of their colour or historic ethnicity) is British, and by that virtue is our problem. They would still have attracted comments expressing disgust, and they should still be punished. However, part of the pact or contract of allowing someone to set up home from abroad in the country, should be a condition that if they commit a crime they can be deported after serving their punishment. I wouldn't write "sod off back" etc, but in slightly more diplomatic and less racist tones, I do agree that non British born criminals should be deported.
Would that be any crime?
I think it has to be serious crimes... everyone commits minor crimes all the time and we cant chuck someone out (who in all probability is contributing more than our average native back to society) just cause they blazed a doobie, or went 10mph over the speed limit or similar
[quote][p][bold]the wall[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]PaulErith[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ripnetuk[/bold] wrote: so if he had done exactly the same minor crime and was called John Smith it would have attracted "sod off back to where you came from" type comments? There you go.[/p][/quote]No it wouldn't because somebody born in England (regardless of their colour or historic ethnicity) is British, and by that virtue is our problem. They would still have attracted comments expressing disgust, and they should still be punished. However, part of the pact or contract of allowing someone to set up home from abroad in the country, should be a condition that if they commit a crime they can be deported after serving their punishment. I wouldn't write "sod off back" etc, but in slightly more diplomatic and less racist tones, I do agree that non British born criminals should be deported.[/p][/quote]Would that be any crime?[/p][/quote]I think it has to be serious crimes... everyone commits minor crimes all the time and we cant chuck someone out (who in all probability is contributing more than our average native back to society) just cause they blazed a doobie, or went 10mph over the speed limit or similar ripnetuk
  • Score: -16

4:09pm Wed 4 Jun 14

Bevangirl says...

I am certainly NOT racist and truly believe if it was someone born in this country they too should be severely punished. But if I or you were to go and live abroad and break their rules, what do you think would happen to us????
I am certainly NOT racist and truly believe if it was someone born in this country they too should be severely punished. But if I or you were to go and live abroad and break their rules, what do you think would happen to us???? Bevangirl
  • Score: 19

4:14pm Wed 4 Jun 14

ripnetuk says...

Bevangirl wrote:
I am certainly NOT racist and truly believe if it was someone born in this country they too should be severely punished. But if I or you were to go and live abroad and break their rules, what do you think would happen to us????
What was racist Bevangirl was assuming someone who had an Islamic sounding name and looked middle eastern was an immigrant .

Given that he in fact is, its possible you knew this and didn't base the assumption on the picture / name, in which case I apologise to you.
[quote][p][bold]Bevangirl[/bold] wrote: I am certainly NOT racist and truly believe if it was someone born in this country they too should be severely punished. But if I or you were to go and live abroad and break their rules, what do you think would happen to us????[/p][/quote]What was racist Bevangirl was assuming someone who had an Islamic sounding name and looked middle eastern was an immigrant . Given that he in fact is, its possible you knew this and didn't base the assumption on the picture / name, in which case I apologise to you. ripnetuk
  • Score: -17

9:56am Thu 5 Jun 14

kentlad says...

ripnetuk wrote:
To be fair, it only takes a quick google to reveal (via the Daily 'Racist' Mail) that he is in fact Turkish (and unemployed as well... ) and arrived in the UK in 2006.

However I stand by my point that there is no need to explain why "Sod off back where you came from" directed at an immigrant could be seen as a little racist... Id imagine if that was said to his face it could be the basis for a criminal prosecution.

Maybe study the language of the far right to see what I mean???
Yeah exactly if we told him to 'Sod Off' it could be classed as a racist comment now what would happen to him if he told a british person (white) to 'sod off'? ohh yeah nothing!!! He arrived in the UK in 2006 and doesnt know what a Swan is? ohh please you don't just kill something and eat it without knowing what it is and whether its even safe to eat. He knew exactly what he was doing and he's just playing the poor i'm a foreigner i dont understand tactic.... well Go back to Turkey where you do understand the Laws!!!!
[quote][p][bold]ripnetuk[/bold] wrote: To be fair, it only takes a quick google to reveal (via the Daily 'Racist' Mail) that he is in fact Turkish (and unemployed as well... ) and arrived in the UK in 2006. However I stand by my point that there is no need to explain why "Sod off back where you came from" directed at an immigrant could be seen as a little racist... Id imagine if that was said to his face it could be the basis for a criminal prosecution. Maybe study the language of the far right to see what I mean???[/p][/quote]Yeah exactly if we told him to 'Sod Off' it could be classed as a racist comment now what would happen to him if he told a british person (white) to 'sod off'? ohh yeah nothing!!! He arrived in the UK in 2006 and doesnt know what a Swan is? ohh please you don't just kill something and eat it without knowing what it is and whether its even safe to eat. He knew exactly what he was doing and he's just playing the poor i'm a foreigner i dont understand tactic.... well Go back to Turkey where you do understand the Laws!!!! kentlad
  • Score: 18

6:19pm Thu 5 Jun 14

Harold_Monk says...

"Bob Morris caught the swan killer"?. Looks more like a fish to me
"Bob Morris caught the swan killer"?. Looks more like a fish to me Harold_Monk
  • Score: 5

8:34pm Thu 5 Jun 14

ripnetuk says...

kentlad wrote:
ripnetuk wrote:
To be fair, it only takes a quick google to reveal (via the Daily 'Racist' Mail) that he is in fact Turkish (and unemployed as well... ) and arrived in the UK in 2006.

However I stand by my point that there is no need to explain why "Sod off back where you came from" directed at an immigrant could be seen as a little racist... Id imagine if that was said to his face it could be the basis for a criminal prosecution.

Maybe study the language of the far right to see what I mean???
Yeah exactly if we told him to 'Sod Off' it could be classed as a racist comment now what would happen to him if he told a british person (white) to 'sod off'? ohh yeah nothing!!! He arrived in the UK in 2006 and doesnt know what a Swan is? ohh please you don't just kill something and eat it without knowing what it is and whether its even safe to eat. He knew exactly what he was doing and he's just playing the poor i'm a foreigner i dont understand tactic.... well Go back to Turkey where you do understand the Laws!!!!
I'll explain this simply. If you told a white guy to go pick cotton it wouldn't be racist but if you said the same to a black guy it would.

Please think better.
[quote][p][bold]kentlad[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ripnetuk[/bold] wrote: To be fair, it only takes a quick google to reveal (via the Daily 'Racist' Mail) that he is in fact Turkish (and unemployed as well... ) and arrived in the UK in 2006. However I stand by my point that there is no need to explain why "Sod off back where you came from" directed at an immigrant could be seen as a little racist... Id imagine if that was said to his face it could be the basis for a criminal prosecution. Maybe study the language of the far right to see what I mean???[/p][/quote]Yeah exactly if we told him to 'Sod Off' it could be classed as a racist comment now what would happen to him if he told a british person (white) to 'sod off'? ohh yeah nothing!!! He arrived in the UK in 2006 and doesnt know what a Swan is? ohh please you don't just kill something and eat it without knowing what it is and whether its even safe to eat. He knew exactly what he was doing and he's just playing the poor i'm a foreigner i dont understand tactic.... well Go back to Turkey where you do understand the Laws!!!![/p][/quote]I'll explain this simply. If you told a white guy to go pick cotton it wouldn't be racist but if you said the same to a black guy it would. Please think better. ripnetuk
  • Score: -13

9:06pm Thu 5 Jun 14

Bevangirl says...

Apology accepted. I reiterate, I really am not racist - even if he had come from Milton Keynes (I have nothing against MK either!!) I would have said I wish he would go back to wherever he had come from. I really didn't mean to offend anyone.
Apology accepted. I reiterate, I really am not racist - even if he had come from Milton Keynes (I have nothing against MK either!!) I would have said I wish he would go back to wherever he had come from. I really didn't mean to offend anyone. Bevangirl
  • Score: 7

10:58pm Thu 5 Jun 14

kentlad says...

ripnetuk wrote:
kentlad wrote:
ripnetuk wrote:
To be fair, it only takes a quick google to reveal (via the Daily 'Racist' Mail) that he is in fact Turkish (and unemployed as well... ) and arrived in the UK in 2006.

However I stand by my point that there is no need to explain why "Sod off back where you came from" directed at an immigrant could be seen as a little racist... Id imagine if that was said to his face it could be the basis for a criminal prosecution.

Maybe study the language of the far right to see what I mean???
Yeah exactly if we told him to 'Sod Off' it could be classed as a racist comment now what would happen to him if he told a british person (white) to 'sod off'? ohh yeah nothing!!! He arrived in the UK in 2006 and doesnt know what a Swan is? ohh please you don't just kill something and eat it without knowing what it is and whether its even safe to eat. He knew exactly what he was doing and he's just playing the poor i'm a foreigner i dont understand tactic.... well Go back to Turkey where you do understand the Laws!!!!
I'll explain this simply. If you told a white guy to go pick cotton it wouldn't be racist but if you said the same to a black guy it would.

Please think better.
Idiot please don't try and educate me. Maybe if you used better examples and explained yourself correctly then we might understand you!
[quote][p][bold]ripnetuk[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]kentlad[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ripnetuk[/bold] wrote: To be fair, it only takes a quick google to reveal (via the Daily 'Racist' Mail) that he is in fact Turkish (and unemployed as well... ) and arrived in the UK in 2006. However I stand by my point that there is no need to explain why "Sod off back where you came from" directed at an immigrant could be seen as a little racist... Id imagine if that was said to his face it could be the basis for a criminal prosecution. Maybe study the language of the far right to see what I mean???[/p][/quote]Yeah exactly if we told him to 'Sod Off' it could be classed as a racist comment now what would happen to him if he told a british person (white) to 'sod off'? ohh yeah nothing!!! He arrived in the UK in 2006 and doesnt know what a Swan is? ohh please you don't just kill something and eat it without knowing what it is and whether its even safe to eat. He knew exactly what he was doing and he's just playing the poor i'm a foreigner i dont understand tactic.... well Go back to Turkey where you do understand the Laws!!!![/p][/quote]I'll explain this simply. If you told a white guy to go pick cotton it wouldn't be racist but if you said the same to a black guy it would. Please think better.[/p][/quote]Idiot please don't try and educate me. Maybe if you used better examples and explained yourself correctly then we might understand you! kentlad
  • Score: 10

9:26am Fri 6 Jun 14

ms day says...

GO HOME FIDAN THE FIDDLER YOU ARE NOT WELCOME HERE .
GO HOME FIDAN THE FIDDLER YOU ARE NOT WELCOME HERE . ms day
  • Score: 11

10:20am Fri 6 Jun 14

Gypo.Joe says...

A foreign sounding name, a black or brownish face in a picture and out they crawl knuckles adragging.

Who let the rabid dogs out ?
A foreign sounding name, a black or brownish face in a picture and out they crawl knuckles adragging. Who let the rabid dogs out ? Gypo.Joe
  • Score: 2

6:11am Tue 10 Jun 14

sarfflondonbird says...

ripnetuk wrote:
Bevangirl wrote:
I am certainly NOT racist and truly believe if it was someone born in this country they too should be severely punished. But if I or you were to go and live abroad and break their rules, what do you think would happen to us????
What was racist Bevangirl was assuming someone who had an Islamic sounding name and looked middle eastern was an immigrant .

Given that he in fact is, its possible you knew this and didn't base the assumption on the picture / name, in which case I apologise to you.
Do I get an apology? As you tried to class me as racist too, even though I posted (in true cockney style!) the same thoughts as many others on here? For your information, I had a very good education, thank you, and educated enough to see that this country is being eroded by people from different shores, landing here, making it their home for convenience (benefits of all kinds), and contributing by trying to turn this country 'third world' with their undesirable cultures and flouting of our laws, and being allowed to get away with such behaviour. They should be deported.
An English person (from the word "go")would never get away with such in any other country, so why should we have to expect, put up with, and shut up, for the sake of allowing our country to be s€%% €d on in such ways because of the attitude of people such as you? It's not being racist, its called trying to keep civility, respect and decency which our parents and grand parents suffered two world wars to try and preserve for their children and this country.
[quote][p][bold]ripnetuk[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bevangirl[/bold] wrote: I am certainly NOT racist and truly believe if it was someone born in this country they too should be severely punished. But if I or you were to go and live abroad and break their rules, what do you think would happen to us????[/p][/quote]What was racist Bevangirl was assuming someone who had an Islamic sounding name and looked middle eastern was an immigrant . Given that he in fact is, its possible you knew this and didn't base the assumption on the picture / name, in which case I apologise to you.[/p][/quote]Do I get an apology? As you tried to class me as racist too, even though I posted (in true cockney style!) the same thoughts as many others on here? For your information, I had a very good education, thank you, and educated enough to see that this country is being eroded by people from different shores, landing here, making it their home for convenience (benefits of all kinds), and contributing by trying to turn this country 'third world' with their undesirable cultures and flouting of our laws, and being allowed to get away with such behaviour. They should be deported. An English person (from the word "go")would never get away with such in any other country, so why should we have to expect, put up with, and shut up, for the sake of allowing our country to be s€%% €d on in such ways because of the attitude of people such as you? It's not being racist, its called trying to keep civility, respect and decency which our parents and grand parents suffered two world wars to try and preserve for their children and this country. sarfflondonbird
  • Score: 1

8:28am Tue 10 Jun 14

ripnetuk says...

sarfflondonbird wrote:
ripnetuk wrote:
Bevangirl wrote:
I am certainly NOT racist and truly believe if it was someone born in this country they too should be severely punished. But if I or you were to go and live abroad and break their rules, what do you think would happen to us????
What was racist Bevangirl was assuming someone who had an Islamic sounding name and looked middle eastern was an immigrant .

Given that he in fact is, its possible you knew this and didn't base the assumption on the picture / name, in which case I apologise to you.
Do I get an apology? As you tried to class me as racist too, even though I posted (in true cockney style!) the same thoughts as many others on here? For your information, I had a very good education, thank you, and educated enough to see that this country is being eroded by people from different shores, landing here, making it their home for convenience (benefits of all kinds), and contributing by trying to turn this country 'third world' with their undesirable cultures and flouting of our laws, and being allowed to get away with such behaviour. They should be deported.
An English person (from the word "go")would never get away with such in any other country, so why should we have to expect, put up with, and shut up, for the sake of allowing our country to be s€%% €d on in such ways because of the attitude of people such as you? It's not being racist, its called trying to keep civility, respect and decency which our parents and grand parents suffered two world wars to try and preserve for their children and this country.
No. I still perceive "sod off home" in this context as racist.

The quality of your education is quite apparent from your comments.
[quote][p][bold]sarfflondonbird[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ripnetuk[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bevangirl[/bold] wrote: I am certainly NOT racist and truly believe if it was someone born in this country they too should be severely punished. But if I or you were to go and live abroad and break their rules, what do you think would happen to us????[/p][/quote]What was racist Bevangirl was assuming someone who had an Islamic sounding name and looked middle eastern was an immigrant . Given that he in fact is, its possible you knew this and didn't base the assumption on the picture / name, in which case I apologise to you.[/p][/quote]Do I get an apology? As you tried to class me as racist too, even though I posted (in true cockney style!) the same thoughts as many others on here? For your information, I had a very good education, thank you, and educated enough to see that this country is being eroded by people from different shores, landing here, making it their home for convenience (benefits of all kinds), and contributing by trying to turn this country 'third world' with their undesirable cultures and flouting of our laws, and being allowed to get away with such behaviour. They should be deported. An English person (from the word "go")would never get away with such in any other country, so why should we have to expect, put up with, and shut up, for the sake of allowing our country to be s€%% €d on in such ways because of the attitude of people such as you? It's not being racist, its called trying to keep civility, respect and decency which our parents and grand parents suffered two world wars to try and preserve for their children and this country.[/p][/quote]No. I still perceive "sod off home" in this context as racist. The quality of your education is quite apparent from your comments. ripnetuk
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10:09am Tue 10 Jun 14

sarfflondonbird says...

ripnetuk wrote:
i mean seriously, even Hitler didnt send people to tonbridge...
No he didn't. He sent them somewhere else even less pleasant, but lets not be racist about this eh? What's Hitler got to do with the subject?
[quote][p][bold]ripnetuk[/bold] wrote: i mean seriously, even Hitler didnt send people to tonbridge...[/p][/quote]No he didn't. He sent them somewhere else even less pleasant, but lets not be racist about this eh? What's Hitler got to do with the subject? sarfflondonbird
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10:11am Tue 10 Jun 14

sarfflondonbird says...

ripnetuk wrote:
so if he had done exactly the same minor crime and was called John Smith it would have attracted "sod off back to where you came from" type comments?

There you go.
If he was not originally from this country.............
yes I would. Not all foreign settlers here have non english type names!!!
[quote][p][bold]ripnetuk[/bold] wrote: so if he had done exactly the same minor crime and was called John Smith it would have attracted "sod off back to where you came from" type comments? There you go.[/p][/quote]If he was not originally from this country............. yes I would. Not all foreign settlers here have non english type names!!! sarfflondonbird
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10:18am Tue 10 Jun 14

sarfflondonbird says...

kentlad wrote:
ripnetuk wrote:
To be fair, it only takes a quick google to reveal (via the Daily 'Racist' Mail) that he is in fact Turkish (and unemployed as well... ) and arrived in the UK in 2006.

However I stand by my point that there is no need to explain why "Sod off back where you came from" directed at an immigrant could be seen as a little racist... Id imagine if that was said to his face it could be the basis for a criminal prosecution.

Maybe study the language of the far right to see what I mean???
Yeah exactly if we told him to 'Sod Off' it could be classed as a racist comment now what would happen to him if he told a british person (white) to 'sod off'? ohh yeah nothing!!! He arrived in the UK in 2006 and doesnt know what a Swan is? ohh please you don't just kill something and eat it without knowing what it is and whether its even safe to eat. He knew exactly what he was doing and he's just playing the poor i'm a foreigner i dont understand tactic.... well Go back to Turkey where you do understand the Laws!!!!
Sorry, but "sod off" is or was a general term used by many and has been for years. Just because of reading about "far right wing" language, you cannot just associate that term with them. If so then I feel sorry for you. If you (as a white English person) said "oh sod off" to some other white English person because they told you you were riding your bicycle too close to their car, would that be classed as being racist? Get a grip please. It is an everyday term used by many people or it used to be, until the leftie nurds got a hold on the country.
[quote][p][bold]kentlad[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ripnetuk[/bold] wrote: To be fair, it only takes a quick google to reveal (via the Daily 'Racist' Mail) that he is in fact Turkish (and unemployed as well... ) and arrived in the UK in 2006. However I stand by my point that there is no need to explain why "Sod off back where you came from" directed at an immigrant could be seen as a little racist... Id imagine if that was said to his face it could be the basis for a criminal prosecution. Maybe study the language of the far right to see what I mean???[/p][/quote]Yeah exactly if we told him to 'Sod Off' it could be classed as a racist comment now what would happen to him if he told a british person (white) to 'sod off'? ohh yeah nothing!!! He arrived in the UK in 2006 and doesnt know what a Swan is? ohh please you don't just kill something and eat it without knowing what it is and whether its even safe to eat. He knew exactly what he was doing and he's just playing the poor i'm a foreigner i dont understand tactic.... well Go back to Turkey where you do understand the Laws!!!![/p][/quote]Sorry, but "sod off" is or was a general term used by many and has been for years. Just because of reading about "far right wing" language, you cannot just associate that term with them. If so then I feel sorry for you. If you (as a white English person) said "oh sod off" to some other white English person because they told you you were riding your bicycle too close to their car, would that be classed as being racist? Get a grip please. It is an everyday term used by many people or it used to be, until the leftie nurds got a hold on the country. sarfflondonbird
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10:18am Tue 10 Jun 14

ripnetuk says...

sarfflondonbird wrote:
ripnetuk wrote:
so if he had done exactly the same minor crime and was called John Smith it would have attracted "sod off back to where you came from" type comments?

There you go.
If he was not originally from this country.............

yes I would. Not all foreign settlers here have non english type names!!!
The point I was making was that I believed (in the absence of any evidence otherwise) that people were assuming from his appearance and name that he was an immigrant, rather than a British born descendant of an immigrant. (which lets face it, all of us are - we are all from Africa / the middle east originally)

Since he is in fact an immigrant, my argument is rather weakened since the 2 people I called out for racism might well have had prior knowledge of his immigration status. Like I said, if that is the case, I apologise.

I do agree that (like all other countries) we have to right to deport people who come over here (regardless of race / skin colour / religion) who commit serious crimes.

Killing a swan is NOT a serious crime. Its a minor crime, as reflected by the sentence the guy got. I certainly don't think we should be evicting people from the UK for this. Especially given that the legal owner of the swan (the queen) is from a family who go out killing animals for fun with guns.
[quote][p][bold]sarfflondonbird[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ripnetuk[/bold] wrote: so if he had done exactly the same minor crime and was called John Smith it would have attracted "sod off back to where you came from" type comments? There you go.[/p][/quote]If he was not originally from this country............. yes I would. Not all foreign settlers here have non english type names!!![/p][/quote]The point I was making was that I believed (in the absence of any evidence otherwise) that people were assuming from his appearance and name that he was an immigrant, rather than a British born descendant of an immigrant. (which lets face it, all of us are - we are all from Africa / the middle east originally) Since he is in fact an immigrant, my argument is rather weakened since the 2 people I called out for racism might well have had prior knowledge of his immigration status. Like I said, if that is the case, I apologise. I do agree that (like all other countries) we have to right to deport people who come over here (regardless of race / skin colour / religion) who commit serious crimes. Killing a swan is NOT a serious crime. Its a minor crime, as reflected by the sentence the guy got. I certainly don't think we should be evicting people from the UK for this. Especially given that the legal owner of the swan (the queen) is from a family who go out killing animals for fun with guns. ripnetuk
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10:19am Tue 10 Jun 14

ripnetuk says...

sarfflondonbird wrote:
kentlad wrote:
ripnetuk wrote:
To be fair, it only takes a quick google to reveal (via the Daily 'Racist' Mail) that he is in fact Turkish (and unemployed as well... ) and arrived in the UK in 2006.

However I stand by my point that there is no need to explain why "Sod off back where you came from" directed at an immigrant could be seen as a little racist... Id imagine if that was said to his face it could be the basis for a criminal prosecution.

Maybe study the language of the far right to see what I mean???
Yeah exactly if we told him to 'Sod Off' it could be classed as a racist comment now what would happen to him if he told a british person (white) to 'sod off'? ohh yeah nothing!!! He arrived in the UK in 2006 and doesnt know what a Swan is? ohh please you don't just kill something and eat it without knowing what it is and whether its even safe to eat. He knew exactly what he was doing and he's just playing the poor i'm a foreigner i dont understand tactic.... well Go back to Turkey where you do understand the Laws!!!!
Sorry, but "sod off" is or was a general term used by many and has been for years. Just because of reading about "far right wing" language, you cannot just associate that term with them. If so then I feel sorry for you. If you (as a white English person) said "oh sod off" to some other white English person because they told you you were riding your bicycle too close to their car, would that be classed as being racist? Get a grip please. It is an everyday term used by many people or it used to be, until the leftie nurds got a hold on the country.
Oh dear...

"Sod off"

"Sod off back to where you came from"

See the difference ???
[quote][p][bold]sarfflondonbird[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]kentlad[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ripnetuk[/bold] wrote: To be fair, it only takes a quick google to reveal (via the Daily 'Racist' Mail) that he is in fact Turkish (and unemployed as well... ) and arrived in the UK in 2006. However I stand by my point that there is no need to explain why "Sod off back where you came from" directed at an immigrant could be seen as a little racist... Id imagine if that was said to his face it could be the basis for a criminal prosecution. Maybe study the language of the far right to see what I mean???[/p][/quote]Yeah exactly if we told him to 'Sod Off' it could be classed as a racist comment now what would happen to him if he told a british person (white) to 'sod off'? ohh yeah nothing!!! He arrived in the UK in 2006 and doesnt know what a Swan is? ohh please you don't just kill something and eat it without knowing what it is and whether its even safe to eat. He knew exactly what he was doing and he's just playing the poor i'm a foreigner i dont understand tactic.... well Go back to Turkey where you do understand the Laws!!!![/p][/quote]Sorry, but "sod off" is or was a general term used by many and has been for years. Just because of reading about "far right wing" language, you cannot just associate that term with them. If so then I feel sorry for you. If you (as a white English person) said "oh sod off" to some other white English person because they told you you were riding your bicycle too close to their car, would that be classed as being racist? Get a grip please. It is an everyday term used by many people or it used to be, until the leftie nurds got a hold on the country.[/p][/quote]Oh dear... "Sod off" "Sod off back to where you came from" See the difference ??? ripnetuk
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