UPDATE: Woman suffers life threatening injuries after crash near Bromley town centre

News Shopper: The crash, which involved a London Ambulance Service vehicle and a car, happened at around 2pm The crash, which involved a London Ambulance Service vehicle and a car, happened at around 2pm

A woman has suffered life threatening injuries after a London Ambulance Service (LAS) vehicle and a car crashed in Bromley this afternoon.

The incident happened in Masons Hill, near the junction with Tiger Lane, at around 2pm.

Masons Hill has been closed between Kentish Way and Holmesdale Road, causing severe traffic.

Bus routes 61, 208, 261, 320, 336 and 358 are all on diversion.

The woman has been taken to King's College Hospital in Denmark Hill as a priority.

Two other people, a man and a woman, have been taken to the Princess Royal University Hospital in Farnborough.

Neither suffered life threatening injuries.

The brother of one of the people hurt in the crash, Billy Milhotra, said at the scene: "I am waiting to find out what happened.

"I hope they are all OK.

"They called me and I rushed from work. I am a bit worried."

A police sergeant added: "There has been an accident involving an LAS vehicle and another car.

"One person was in the LAS vehicle and two people were in the public car, which was a blue Vauxhall Astra.

"All three are being seen by paramedics."

A London Ambulance Service spokeswoman said: "We were called at 1.51pm to reports of a road traffic collision in Masons Hill.

"We sent a single responder in a car, three ambulance crews and a duty officer.

"Staff treated three patients.

"A woman was treated for back pain and was taken to the Princess Royal University Hospital.

"A man suffered a chest injury and was taken to the Princess Royal University Hospital.

"A third patient, a woman, suffered neck, back and head injuries. She was taken to King's College Hospital as a priority."

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6:05pm Wed 26 Mar 14

theman321 says...

I hope the woman and her companion in the car are alright! But I also hope the driver in the LAS Response Car is ok! Thankfully crashes with emergency vehicles are uncommon, but due to the nature of emergency driving and the amount of mileage emergency drivers do crashes do happen.
Nevertheless hope all are ok and that they make a good recovery!
I hope the woman and her companion in the car are alright! But I also hope the driver in the LAS Response Car is ok! Thankfully crashes with emergency vehicles are uncommon, but due to the nature of emergency driving and the amount of mileage emergency drivers do crashes do happen. Nevertheless hope all are ok and that they make a good recovery! theman321
  • Score: 62

6:46pm Wed 26 Mar 14

Chelyabinsk says...

This is an accident waiting to happen.

LAS drivers have been routinely careering recklessly at extremely high speed around the borough causing a danger to other road users. It was only a matter of time before a serious accident resulted.

Blue lights and sirens do not give LAS or the police the right to endanger the lives of other road users with high speed, reckless driving.

LAS is to be commended on the excellent work they do, but not at any cost.
This is an accident waiting to happen. LAS drivers have been routinely careering recklessly at extremely high speed around the borough causing a danger to other road users. It was only a matter of time before a serious accident resulted. Blue lights and sirens do not give LAS or the police the right to endanger the lives of other road users with high speed, reckless driving. LAS is to be commended on the excellent work they do, but not at any cost. Chelyabinsk
  • Score: 4

9:04pm Wed 26 Mar 14

Brook says...

Chelyabinsk - lets hope you never need emergency treatment or assistance. What are they supposed to do? Keep behind the idots who pull in front or stop them overtaking
Chelyabinsk - lets hope you never need emergency treatment or assistance. What are they supposed to do? Keep behind the idots who pull in front or stop them overtaking Brook
  • Score: 7

9:23pm Wed 26 Mar 14

ginger joe says...

Chelyabinsk wrote:
This is an accident waiting to happen.

LAS drivers have been routinely careering recklessly at extremely high speed around the borough causing a danger to other road users. It was only a matter of time before a serious accident resulted.

Blue lights and sirens do not give LAS or the police the right to endanger the lives of other road users with high speed, reckless driving.

LAS is to be commended on the excellent work they do, but not at any cost.
I think this comment is grossly unfair, I spend many hours on the roads of South London, and in my opinion, LAS staff are some of the most cautious and courteous road users about
[quote][p][bold]Chelyabinsk[/bold] wrote: This is an accident waiting to happen. LAS drivers have been routinely careering recklessly at extremely high speed around the borough causing a danger to other road users. It was only a matter of time before a serious accident resulted. Blue lights and sirens do not give LAS or the police the right to endanger the lives of other road users with high speed, reckless driving. LAS is to be commended on the excellent work they do, but not at any cost.[/p][/quote]I think this comment is grossly unfair, I spend many hours on the roads of South London, and in my opinion, LAS staff are some of the most cautious and courteous road users about ginger joe
  • Score: 9

9:38pm Wed 26 Mar 14

Chelyabinsk says...

Brook wrote:
Chelyabinsk - lets hope you never need emergency treatment or assistance. What are they supposed to do? Keep behind the idots who pull in front or stop them overtaking
The high speed driving in this incident has caused:

* An Air Ambulance to be called.
* The road to be closed to all traffic - including the emergency Ambulance services - putting further lives at risk.
* The total closure of roads and disruption of travel on all roads around Bromley town centre.
* Serious injury caused by an Ambulance.

To paraphrase your words - "keep idiots" from behind the wheel of LAS ambulances.
[quote][p][bold]Brook[/bold] wrote: Chelyabinsk - lets hope you never need emergency treatment or assistance. What are they supposed to do? Keep behind the idots who pull in front or stop them overtaking[/p][/quote]The high speed driving in this incident has caused: * An Air Ambulance to be called. * The road to be closed to all traffic - including the emergency Ambulance services - putting further lives at risk. * The total closure of roads and disruption of travel on all roads around Bromley town centre. * Serious injury caused by an Ambulance. To paraphrase your words - "keep idiots" from behind the wheel of LAS ambulances. Chelyabinsk
  • Score: 1

9:45pm Wed 26 Mar 14

Chelyabinsk says...

ginger joe wrote:
Chelyabinsk wrote:
This is an accident waiting to happen.

LAS drivers have been routinely careering recklessly at extremely high speed around the borough causing a danger to other road users. It was only a matter of time before a serious accident resulted.

Blue lights and sirens do not give LAS or the police the right to endanger the lives of other road users with high speed, reckless driving.

LAS is to be commended on the excellent work they do, but not at any cost.
I think this comment is grossly unfair, I spend many hours on the roads of South London, and in my opinion, LAS staff are some of the most cautious and courteous road users about
Don't agree, mate.

Driving about the borough LAS ambulances routinely force other motorists out of their way on a daily basis, intimidating them with blue lights and sirens without showing any courtesy at all.

This was an accident waiting to happen.
[quote][p][bold]ginger joe[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Chelyabinsk[/bold] wrote: This is an accident waiting to happen. LAS drivers have been routinely careering recklessly at extremely high speed around the borough causing a danger to other road users. It was only a matter of time before a serious accident resulted. Blue lights and sirens do not give LAS or the police the right to endanger the lives of other road users with high speed, reckless driving. LAS is to be commended on the excellent work they do, but not at any cost.[/p][/quote]I think this comment is grossly unfair, I spend many hours on the roads of South London, and in my opinion, LAS staff are some of the most cautious and courteous road users about[/p][/quote]Don't agree, mate. Driving about the borough LAS ambulances routinely force other motorists out of their way on a daily basis, intimidating them with blue lights and sirens without showing any courtesy at all. This was an accident waiting to happen. Chelyabinsk
  • Score: 2

9:55pm Wed 26 Mar 14

Chelyabinsk says...

Ambulances must be fitted with dashboard cameras
to monitor and regulate the unnecessary high speed reckless driving
putting the lives of the public in danger.

It is not so long ago that a speeding police car in the adjacent Holmesdale Rd to Mason's Hill killed an innocent member of the public.
Ambulances must be fitted with dashboard cameras to monitor and regulate the unnecessary high speed reckless driving putting the lives of the public in danger. It is not so long ago that a speeding police car in the adjacent Holmesdale Rd to Mason's Hill killed an innocent member of the public. Chelyabinsk
  • Score: 8

11:03pm Wed 26 Mar 14

Unknown Person says...

Chelyabinsk wrote:
Brook wrote:
Chelyabinsk - lets hope you never need emergency treatment or assistance. What are they supposed to do? Keep behind the idots who pull in front or stop them overtaking
The high speed driving in this incident has caused:

* An Air Ambulance to be called.
* The road to be closed to all traffic - including the emergency Ambulance services - putting further lives at risk.
* The total closure of roads and disruption of travel on all roads around Bromley town centre.
* Serious injury caused by an Ambulance.

To paraphrase your words - "keep idiots" from behind the wheel of LAS ambulances.
The air ambulance didn't attend this incident
"We sent a single responder in a car, three ambulance crews and a duty officer.''
[quote][p][bold]Chelyabinsk[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Brook[/bold] wrote: Chelyabinsk - lets hope you never need emergency treatment or assistance. What are they supposed to do? Keep behind the idots who pull in front or stop them overtaking[/p][/quote]The high speed driving in this incident has caused: * An Air Ambulance to be called. * The road to be closed to all traffic - including the emergency Ambulance services - putting further lives at risk. * The total closure of roads and disruption of travel on all roads around Bromley town centre. * Serious injury caused by an Ambulance. To paraphrase your words - "keep idiots" from behind the wheel of LAS ambulances.[/p][/quote]The air ambulance didn't attend this incident "We sent a single responder in a car, three ambulance crews and a duty officer.'' Unknown Person
  • Score: 9

11:15pm Wed 26 Mar 14

skinnydan says...

theman321 wrote:
I hope the woman and her companion in the car are alright! But I also hope the driver in the LAS Response Car is ok! Thankfully crashes with emergency vehicles are uncommon, but due to the nature of emergency driving and the amount of mileage emergency drivers do crashes do happen.
Nevertheless hope all are ok and that they make a good recovery!
Rather worryingly this is the second crash this week involving an emergency services vehicle in SE London this week,

On monday in Bermondsey a Police van on a blue light call smashed into a car at traffic lights in jamaica rd

Not blaming anyone here as nobody yet knows whos fault either crash was,
I also hope all involved are ok.
[quote][p][bold]theman321[/bold] wrote: I hope the woman and her companion in the car are alright! But I also hope the driver in the LAS Response Car is ok! Thankfully crashes with emergency vehicles are uncommon, but due to the nature of emergency driving and the amount of mileage emergency drivers do crashes do happen. Nevertheless hope all are ok and that they make a good recovery![/p][/quote]Rather worryingly this is the second crash this week involving an emergency services vehicle in SE London this week, On monday in Bermondsey a Police van on a blue light call smashed into a car at traffic lights in jamaica rd Not blaming anyone here as nobody yet knows whos fault either crash was, I also hope all involved are ok. skinnydan
  • Score: -5

11:24pm Wed 26 Mar 14

Chelyabinsk says...

Unknown Person wrote:
Chelyabinsk wrote:
Brook wrote:
Chelyabinsk - lets hope you never need emergency treatment or assistance. What are they supposed to do? Keep behind the idots who pull in front or stop them overtaking
The high speed driving in this incident has caused:

* An Air Ambulance to be called.
* The road to be closed to all traffic - including the emergency Ambulance services - putting further lives at risk.
* The total closure of roads and disruption of travel on all roads around Bromley town centre.
* Serious injury caused by an Ambulance.

To paraphrase your words - "keep idiots" from behind the wheel of LAS ambulances.
The air ambulance didn't attend this incident
"We sent a single responder in a car, three ambulance crews and a duty officer.''
At approximately 3.20pm today Wednesday the loud clattering of a helicopter was heard as it rose to gain height above the Kentish Way close to Bromley Civic Centre.

The traffic in all the roads surrounding Bromley town centre was at a standstill having been brought to a complete halt.

Explain !
[quote][p][bold]Unknown Person[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Chelyabinsk[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Brook[/bold] wrote: Chelyabinsk - lets hope you never need emergency treatment or assistance. What are they supposed to do? Keep behind the idots who pull in front or stop them overtaking[/p][/quote]The high speed driving in this incident has caused: * An Air Ambulance to be called. * The road to be closed to all traffic - including the emergency Ambulance services - putting further lives at risk. * The total closure of roads and disruption of travel on all roads around Bromley town centre. * Serious injury caused by an Ambulance. To paraphrase your words - "keep idiots" from behind the wheel of LAS ambulances.[/p][/quote]The air ambulance didn't attend this incident "We sent a single responder in a car, three ambulance crews and a duty officer.''[/p][/quote]At approximately 3.20pm today Wednesday the loud clattering of a helicopter was heard as it rose to gain height above the Kentish Way close to Bromley Civic Centre. The traffic in all the roads surrounding Bromley town centre was at a standstill having been brought to a complete halt. Explain ! Chelyabinsk
  • Score: 5

11:27pm Wed 26 Mar 14

Chelyabinsk says...

Unknown Person wrote:
Chelyabinsk wrote:
Brook wrote:
Chelyabinsk - lets hope you never need emergency treatment or assistance. What are they supposed to do? Keep behind the idots who pull in front or stop them overtaking
The high speed driving in this incident has caused:

* An Air Ambulance to be called.
* The road to be closed to all traffic - including the emergency Ambulance services - putting further lives at risk.
* The total closure of roads and disruption of travel on all roads around Bromley town centre.
* Serious injury caused by an Ambulance.

To paraphrase your words - "keep idiots" from behind the wheel of LAS ambulances.
The air ambulance didn't attend this incident
"We sent a single responder in a car, three ambulance crews and a duty officer.''
At approximately 3.20pm today Wednesday the loud clattering of a helicopter was heard as it rose to gain height above the Kentish Way close to Bromley Civic Centre.

The traffic in all the roads surrounding Bromley town centre was at a standstill having been brought to a complete halt.

Explain !
[quote][p][bold]Unknown Person[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Chelyabinsk[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Brook[/bold] wrote: Chelyabinsk - lets hope you never need emergency treatment or assistance. What are they supposed to do? Keep behind the idots who pull in front or stop them overtaking[/p][/quote]The high speed driving in this incident has caused: * An Air Ambulance to be called. * The road to be closed to all traffic - including the emergency Ambulance services - putting further lives at risk. * The total closure of roads and disruption of travel on all roads around Bromley town centre. * Serious injury caused by an Ambulance. To paraphrase your words - "keep idiots" from behind the wheel of LAS ambulances.[/p][/quote]The air ambulance didn't attend this incident "We sent a single responder in a car, three ambulance crews and a duty officer.''[/p][/quote]At approximately 3.20pm today Wednesday the loud clattering of a helicopter was heard as it rose to gain height above the Kentish Way close to Bromley Civic Centre. The traffic in all the roads surrounding Bromley town centre was at a standstill having been brought to a complete halt. Explain ! Chelyabinsk
  • Score: 3

3:02am Thu 27 Mar 14

David Bow says...

It's unfortunate that an ACCIDENT has occurred. I hope all involved make a speedy recovery and I also hope my colleague in the Fast Response Unit is okay. What people like Chelyabinsk are forgetting is that the London Ambulance Accident and Emergency Service respond to just under five thousand 999 calls every 24 hours. Our budget has been sliced by millions but the demand on the service has continued to grow and the number of Category A (Immediately life threatening calls) we are getting as a result of the city swelling in terms of population are on the up. Despite the pressure and lack of resources we are still reaching and continuing to reach more than 75% of patients within the target times set and our 999 calls for help from the public are being answering quicker than ever before. Out of hospital cardiac arrest patients are now receiving advanced prompt emergency care from our highly skilled professional Paramedics and Techicians resulting in more patients walking out of hospital after their hearts suddenly stopped. Ambulance vehicles involved in crashes are as already mentioned very rare. I'm saddened to hear how some members of the public have reacted to this. Please don't forget that out Fast Response Units are only sent and funded for those crucial Category A calls. The cars are smaller in size and faster than a van. It can negotiate traffic situations and get to people quicker. As for the gentleman who stated we routinely force members of public out of our way. Can I just remind you that you moving out of our way to ensure we can get past can mean the difference between life and death. Next time maybe spare a thought to where that Paramedic could be going. That Paramedic making progress through traffic could mean the difference between someone living to see the light of another day or their loved ones arranging their funeral. Thank you...
It's unfortunate that an ACCIDENT has occurred. I hope all involved make a speedy recovery and I also hope my colleague in the Fast Response Unit is okay. What people like Chelyabinsk are forgetting is that the London Ambulance Accident and Emergency Service respond to just under five thousand 999 calls every 24 hours. Our budget has been sliced by millions but the demand on the service has continued to grow and the number of Category A (Immediately life threatening calls) we are getting as a result of the city swelling in terms of population are on the up. Despite the pressure and lack of resources we are still reaching and continuing to reach more than 75% of patients within the target times set and our 999 calls for help from the public are being answering quicker than ever before. Out of hospital cardiac arrest patients are now receiving advanced prompt emergency care from our highly skilled professional Paramedics and Techicians resulting in more patients walking out of hospital after their hearts suddenly stopped. Ambulance vehicles involved in crashes are as already mentioned very rare. I'm saddened to hear how some members of the public have reacted to this. Please don't forget that out Fast Response Units are only sent and funded for those crucial Category A calls. The cars are smaller in size and faster than a van. It can negotiate traffic situations and get to people quicker. As for the gentleman who stated we routinely force members of public out of our way. Can I just remind you that you moving out of our way to ensure we can get past can mean the difference between life and death. Next time maybe spare a thought to where that Paramedic could be going. That Paramedic making progress through traffic could mean the difference between someone living to see the light of another day or their loved ones arranging their funeral. Thank you... David Bow
  • Score: 53

3:13am Thu 27 Mar 14

Unknown Person says...

Chelyabinsk wrote:
Unknown Person wrote:
Chelyabinsk wrote:
Brook wrote:
Chelyabinsk - lets hope you never need emergency treatment or assistance. What are they supposed to do? Keep behind the idots who pull in front or stop them overtaking
The high speed driving in this incident has caused:

* An Air Ambulance to be called.
* The road to be closed to all traffic - including the emergency Ambulance services - putting further lives at risk.
* The total closure of roads and disruption of travel on all roads around Bromley town centre.
* Serious injury caused by an Ambulance.

To paraphrase your words - "keep idiots" from behind the wheel of LAS ambulances.
The air ambulance didn't attend this incident
"We sent a single responder in a car, three ambulance crews and a duty officer.''
At approximately 3.20pm today Wednesday the loud clattering of a helicopter was heard as it rose to gain height above the Kentish Way close to Bromley Civic Centre.

The traffic in all the roads surrounding Bromley town centre was at a standstill having been brought to a complete halt.

Explain !
So why have LAS not mentioned about the air ambulance? Are you sure it was the air ambulance?
[quote][p][bold]Chelyabinsk[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Unknown Person[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Chelyabinsk[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Brook[/bold] wrote: Chelyabinsk - lets hope you never need emergency treatment or assistance. What are they supposed to do? Keep behind the idots who pull in front or stop them overtaking[/p][/quote]The high speed driving in this incident has caused: * An Air Ambulance to be called. * The road to be closed to all traffic - including the emergency Ambulance services - putting further lives at risk. * The total closure of roads and disruption of travel on all roads around Bromley town centre. * Serious injury caused by an Ambulance. To paraphrase your words - "keep idiots" from behind the wheel of LAS ambulances.[/p][/quote]The air ambulance didn't attend this incident "We sent a single responder in a car, three ambulance crews and a duty officer.''[/p][/quote]At approximately 3.20pm today Wednesday the loud clattering of a helicopter was heard as it rose to gain height above the Kentish Way close to Bromley Civic Centre. The traffic in all the roads surrounding Bromley town centre was at a standstill having been brought to a complete halt. Explain ![/p][/quote]So why have LAS not mentioned about the air ambulance? Are you sure it was the air ambulance? Unknown Person
  • Score: 9

7:43am Thu 27 Mar 14

PaulErith says...

I've seen this kind of article before and you always get idiots having a go at the emergency services. Unfortunately, there's always got to be a trade off. If emergency vehicles had to stick to 30mph and dawdle along the road, then many people with medical emergency or a fire situation would die. This kind of incident will always happen, and it's always tragic when it does, but what's the alternative?
I've seen this kind of article before and you always get idiots having a go at the emergency services. Unfortunately, there's always got to be a trade off. If emergency vehicles had to stick to 30mph and dawdle along the road, then many people with medical emergency or a fire situation would die. This kind of incident will always happen, and it's always tragic when it does, but what's the alternative? PaulErith
  • Score: 5

8:11am Thu 27 Mar 14

Chelyabinsk says...

The News Shopper headline states
"Woman suffers life threatening injuries".

Many comments blatantly ignore the danger high speed public service vehicles pose to the public and the disruption they cause. Yesterday's accident paralysed traffic in the whole of Bromley town centre as the whole area went into lock down.
The News Shopper headline states "Woman suffers life threatening injuries". Many comments blatantly ignore the danger high speed public service vehicles pose to the public and the disruption they cause. Yesterday's accident paralysed traffic in the whole of Bromley town centre as the whole area went into lock down. Chelyabinsk
  • Score: 2

10:37am Thu 27 Mar 14

mareen says...

All of this bickering over who should do what and why. Let's get back to basics, all concerned had that horrible visit/phone call that we all dread to say that our loved one had been involved in a horrendous accident and that's all that I could think about whilst I was waiting for a bus for hours, cold and wet. I note that nobody has mentioned that due to the gridlock perhaps it would have been pertinent for the relevant bus garages to get staff out to the main stops to inform passengers where to go to pick up diverted buses. They could have arranged for the drivers of those buses that could pass through Bromley High St, have radio contact with base to just quickly jump out and give some instructions to the masses. The ambulance car was in deed on a mission of emergency of which any of us may be grateful for in the future and none of know what is waiting around the next corner in our lives. This was an accident, not a deliberate.
All of this bickering over who should do what and why. Let's get back to basics, all concerned had that horrible visit/phone call that we all dread to say that our loved one had been involved in a horrendous accident and that's all that I could think about whilst I was waiting for a bus for hours, cold and wet. I note that nobody has mentioned that due to the gridlock perhaps it would have been pertinent for the relevant bus garages to get staff out to the main stops to inform passengers where to go to pick up diverted buses. They could have arranged for the drivers of those buses that could pass through Bromley High St, have radio contact with base to just quickly jump out and give some instructions to the masses. The ambulance car was in deed on a mission of emergency of which any of us may be grateful for in the future and none of know what is waiting around the next corner in our lives. This was an accident, not a deliberate. mareen
  • Score: 16

10:38am Thu 27 Mar 14

Gypo.Joe says...

Chelyabinsk I do hope you weren't inconvenienced in any way.
Chelyabinsk I do hope you weren't inconvenienced in any way. Gypo.Joe
  • Score: -26

10:54am Thu 27 Mar 14

the wall says...

Chelyabinsk wrote:
The News Shopper headline states
"Woman suffers life threatening injuries".

Many comments blatantly ignore the danger high speed public service vehicles pose to the public and the disruption they cause. Yesterday's accident paralysed traffic in the whole of Bromley town centre as the whole area went into lock down.
What's the matter miss EastCoronation street farm?
[quote][p][bold]Chelyabinsk[/bold] wrote: The News Shopper headline states "Woman suffers life threatening injuries". Many comments blatantly ignore the danger high speed public service vehicles pose to the public and the disruption they cause. Yesterday's accident paralysed traffic in the whole of Bromley town centre as the whole area went into lock down.[/p][/quote]What's the matter miss EastCoronation street farm? the wall
  • Score: -22

11:54am Thu 27 Mar 14

Joinedforthispostonly says...

Chelyabinsk, can I just point out that the woman with the life threatening injuries may well have been the LAS responder, this article doesn't actually say which highlights the fact that LAS staff put their own lives at risk every time they are called out to someone.
All Emergency staff are trained to drive responsibly on blue lights, unfortunately you can't account for the other road users who pay no attention and regularly pull out in front of them- looking at this pic, this is what appears to have happened. LAS car on main road, other car pulled out from side road?
If people paid attention on the road then they wouldn't be 'forced out of the way' as they would have seen the vehicle coming and pulled over in a safe place!
I regularly see people driving whilst chatting on phones or even with headphones in!! That, Chelyabinsk , is reckless driving.
I wish my LAS colleague a speedy recovery
Chelyabinsk, can I just point out that the woman with the life threatening injuries may well have been the LAS responder, this article doesn't actually say which highlights the fact that LAS staff put their own lives at risk every time they are called out to someone. All Emergency staff are trained to drive responsibly on blue lights, unfortunately you can't account for the other road users who pay no attention and regularly pull out in front of them- looking at this pic, this is what appears to have happened. LAS car on main road, other car pulled out from side road? If people paid attention on the road then they wouldn't be 'forced out of the way' as they would have seen the vehicle coming and pulled over in a safe place! I regularly see people driving whilst chatting on phones or even with headphones in!! That, Chelyabinsk , is reckless driving. I wish my LAS colleague a speedy recovery Joinedforthispostonly
  • Score: 7

2:01pm Thu 27 Mar 14

Cheylabinskforpresident says...

Cheylabinsk .....

As your so worried about the dangers of emergency response, you could contact London Ambulance to inform them that when you or your family require immediate emergeny medical attention, you would would prefer paramedics to use public transport !!

But then given your grossly idiotic posts, you are one of those people that would seek compensation when the ambulance took nearly 6 mins to arrive and tend to your grazed knee.
Cheylabinsk ..... As your so worried about the dangers of emergency response, you could contact London Ambulance to inform them that when you or your family require immediate emergeny medical attention, you would would prefer paramedics to use public transport !! But then given your grossly idiotic posts, you are one of those people that would seek compensation when the ambulance took nearly 6 mins to arrive and tend to your grazed knee. Cheylabinskforpresident
  • Score: -39

2:48pm Thu 27 Mar 14

theman321 says...

I'm going to side with the ambulance service too, as someone who regularly travels under blue-light conditions. Ambulance staff are under a lot of pressure to get to life-threatening calls quickly! For all you know that FRU could have been going to a paediatric arrest (or any cardiac arrest for that matter), where every second counts. I don't know the situation but I would be very surprised if the person in question was travelling at speeds excessive for blue-light conditions on that particular stretch and area of road, and to say response vehicles "regularly force people out of their way" is very ignorant - they need to make progress getting to an emergency! Nobody is forcing you to do anything dangerous, but perhaps you should consider how and where to move when you hear sirens - perhaps you won't feel "forced" that way.

The emergency services get a lot of flack from people who haven't experienced what it is like working in that field. As someone who has I know the risks taken everyday, the effort put in to save lives, the passion and drive to keep doing it everyday - and then get home to find they are getting unnecessarily ripped into by the media and armchair warriors.

For all those of you condemning their actions - go and do some observing with the services and you will see what it is like!
I'm going to side with the ambulance service too, as someone who regularly travels under blue-light conditions. Ambulance staff are under a lot of pressure to get to life-threatening calls quickly! For all you know that FRU could have been going to a paediatric arrest (or any cardiac arrest for that matter), where every second counts. I don't know the situation but I would be very surprised if the person in question was travelling at speeds excessive for blue-light conditions on that particular stretch and area of road, and to say response vehicles "regularly force people out of their way" is very ignorant - they need to make progress getting to an emergency! Nobody is forcing you to do anything dangerous, but perhaps you should consider how and where to move when you hear sirens - perhaps you won't feel "forced" that way. The emergency services get a lot of flack from people who haven't experienced what it is like working in that field. As someone who has I know the risks taken everyday, the effort put in to save lives, the passion and drive to keep doing it everyday - and then get home to find they are getting unnecessarily ripped into by the media and armchair warriors. For all those of you condemning their actions - go and do some observing with the services and you will see what it is like! theman321
  • Score: 6

6:38pm Thu 27 Mar 14

jaded1 says...

Chelyabinsk wrote:
Unknown Person wrote:
Chelyabinsk wrote:
Brook wrote:
Chelyabinsk - lets hope you never need emergency treatment or assistance. What are they supposed to do? Keep behind the idots who pull in front or stop them overtaking
The high speed driving in this incident has caused:

* An Air Ambulance to be called.
* The road to be closed to all traffic - including the emergency Ambulance services - putting further lives at risk.
* The total closure of roads and disruption of travel on all roads around Bromley town centre.
* Serious injury caused by an Ambulance.

To paraphrase your words - "keep idiots" from behind the wheel of LAS ambulances.
The air ambulance didn't attend this incident
"We sent a single responder in a car, three ambulance crews and a duty officer.''
At approximately 3.20pm today Wednesday the loud clattering of a helicopter was heard as it rose to gain height above the Kentish Way close to Bromley Civic Centre.

The traffic in all the roads surrounding Bromley town centre was at a standstill having been brought to a complete halt.

Explain !
Dear Expert,the helicopter was the police one looking for a high-risk missing person in the Orpington area.They probably swooped to have a look at the accident on the way back to their base.
Yes I am PC at Bromley who did attend this accident and got very wet trying to clear the road.By the way stopping and asking a wet PC "can I go through?" isn't cool and just slows the traffic down even more.The road is shut for all drivers,it's not personal against you.
[quote][p][bold]Chelyabinsk[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Unknown Person[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Chelyabinsk[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Brook[/bold] wrote: Chelyabinsk - lets hope you never need emergency treatment or assistance. What are they supposed to do? Keep behind the idots who pull in front or stop them overtaking[/p][/quote]The high speed driving in this incident has caused: * An Air Ambulance to be called. * The road to be closed to all traffic - including the emergency Ambulance services - putting further lives at risk. * The total closure of roads and disruption of travel on all roads around Bromley town centre. * Serious injury caused by an Ambulance. To paraphrase your words - "keep idiots" from behind the wheel of LAS ambulances.[/p][/quote]The air ambulance didn't attend this incident "We sent a single responder in a car, three ambulance crews and a duty officer.''[/p][/quote]At approximately 3.20pm today Wednesday the loud clattering of a helicopter was heard as it rose to gain height above the Kentish Way close to Bromley Civic Centre. The traffic in all the roads surrounding Bromley town centre was at a standstill having been brought to a complete halt. Explain ![/p][/quote]Dear Expert,the helicopter was the police one looking for a high-risk missing person in the Orpington area.They probably swooped to have a look at the accident on the way back to their base. Yes I am PC at Bromley who did attend this accident and got very wet trying to clear the road.By the way stopping and asking a wet PC "can I go through?" isn't cool and just slows the traffic down even more.The road is shut for all drivers,it's not personal against you. jaded1
  • Score: 7

7:28pm Thu 27 Mar 14

Chelyabinsk says...

jaded1

Thank you for your most informative reply
and the public service duty you have performed
in the rain.

I am pleased to say I was not inconvenienced by this accident
as I was a pedestrian at the time although others I know suffered severe disruption.

The point I have been making is that LAS vehicles are routinely being driven at high speed forcing drivers to give way. This is a danger to ambulances themselves, their on-board patients and the general public driving about the borough.

Hardly a day goes by when one is not forced over to give way to a speeding LAS vehicle with shrieking siren and flashing blue lights. Are there really this many genuine health emergencies in Bromley borough requiring a death defying race around our streets?
jaded1 Thank you for your most informative reply and the public service duty you have performed in the rain. I am pleased to say I was not inconvenienced by this accident as I was a pedestrian at the time although others I know suffered severe disruption. The point I have been making is that LAS vehicles are routinely being driven at high speed forcing drivers to give way. This is a danger to ambulances themselves, their on-board patients and the general public driving about the borough. Hardly a day goes by when one is not forced over to give way to a speeding LAS vehicle with shrieking siren and flashing blue lights. Are there really this many genuine health emergencies in Bromley borough requiring a death defying race around our streets? Chelyabinsk
  • Score: 5

7:39pm Thu 27 Mar 14

Chelyabinsk says...

Cheylabinskforpresid
ent
wrote:
Cheylabinsk .....

As your so worried about the dangers of emergency response, you could contact London Ambulance to inform them that when you or your family require immediate emergeny medical attention, you would would prefer paramedics to use public transport !!

But then given your grossly idiotic posts, you are one of those people that would seek compensation when the ambulance took nearly 6 mins to arrive and tend to your grazed knee.
A fatuous comment.
[quote][p][bold]Cheylabinskforpresid ent[/bold] wrote: Cheylabinsk ..... As your so worried about the dangers of emergency response, you could contact London Ambulance to inform them that when you or your family require immediate emergeny medical attention, you would would prefer paramedics to use public transport !! But then given your grossly idiotic posts, you are one of those people that would seek compensation when the ambulance took nearly 6 mins to arrive and tend to your grazed knee.[/p][/quote]A fatuous comment. Chelyabinsk
  • Score: 2

8:45pm Thu 27 Mar 14

Bambi* says...

Bleaky chins oops I meant Chelyabinsk give it a rest who gives a fudge about how you or others were inconvenienced. It amazes me how ignorant people or just plain baiters can speak so fluently through their ars*s.

NS it would be nice if we could all have an update to how this severely injured person is doing.

p.s. Bleaky chins how many computers can you lay your hands on to thumbs down this post?
Bleaky chins oops I meant Chelyabinsk give it a rest who gives a fudge about how you or others were inconvenienced. It amazes me how ignorant people or just plain baiters can speak so fluently through their ars*s. NS it would be nice if we could all have an update to how this severely injured person is doing. p.s. Bleaky chins how many computers can you lay your hands on to thumbs down this post? Bambi*
  • Score: 5

9:44pm Thu 27 Mar 14

Chelyabinsk says...

Bambi* wrote:
Bleaky chins oops I meant Chelyabinsk give it a rest who gives a fudge about how you or others were inconvenienced. It amazes me how ignorant people or just plain baiters can speak so fluently through their ars*s.

NS it would be nice if we could all have an update to how this severely injured person is doing.

p.s. Bleaky chins how many computers can you lay your hands on to thumbs down this post?
Bambi the Troll.
[quote][p][bold]Bambi*[/bold] wrote: Bleaky chins oops I meant Chelyabinsk give it a rest who gives a fudge about how you or others were inconvenienced. It amazes me how ignorant people or just plain baiters can speak so fluently through their ars*s. NS it would be nice if we could all have an update to how this severely injured person is doing. p.s. Bleaky chins how many computers can you lay your hands on to thumbs down this post?[/p][/quote]Bambi the Troll. Chelyabinsk
  • Score: 3

9:53pm Thu 27 Mar 14

Bambi* says...

Chelyabinsk wrote:
Bambi* wrote:
Bleaky chins oops I meant Chelyabinsk give it a rest who gives a fudge about how you or others were inconvenienced. It amazes me how ignorant people or just plain baiters can speak so fluently through their ars*s.

NS it would be nice if we could all have an update to how this severely injured person is doing.

p.s. Bleaky chins how many computers can you lay your hands on to thumbs down this post?
Bambi the Troll.
Lol touch a nerve did I? Guess what billy goat gruff....I couldn't give a stuff.
[quote][p][bold]Chelyabinsk[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bambi*[/bold] wrote: Bleaky chins oops I meant Chelyabinsk give it a rest who gives a fudge about how you or others were inconvenienced. It amazes me how ignorant people or just plain baiters can speak so fluently through their ars*s. NS it would be nice if we could all have an update to how this severely injured person is doing. p.s. Bleaky chins how many computers can you lay your hands on to thumbs down this post?[/p][/quote]Bambi the Troll.[/p][/quote]Lol touch a nerve did I? Guess what billy goat gruff....I couldn't give a stuff. Bambi*
  • Score: 4

10:27pm Thu 27 Mar 14

Teaspoon says...

Firstly I hope those injured are okay.
Seondly I would urge those involved to ask the LAS for a copy of their Blue Light Policy, which states at what speed an emergency vehicle should approach a junction. And good luck with their insurance company because they will put the blame on the member of public because it costs too much to go to court. I know this through experience!
Firstly I hope those injured are okay. Seondly I would urge those involved to ask the LAS for a copy of their Blue Light Policy, which states at what speed an emergency vehicle should approach a junction. And good luck with their insurance company because they will put the blame on the member of public because it costs too much to go to court. I know this through experience! Teaspoon
  • Score: 24

10:38pm Thu 27 Mar 14

mareen says...

It's good to see that many of you support the LAS. I sadly had to call the LAS last year to my husband and I can tell you that I wouldn't have cared what measures they had to take to get here to save my husband which sadly they couldn't. I wonder if these negative people would have not thought the same had they of been in my position. The LAS are emergency service doing their utmost to get to a situation that the sooner they get there the more hopeful it would be to save a life. I only hope that they were able to recruit another crew swiftly to the person they were intending to help before the accident. How many times have we all read in the News Shopper of those complaining that someone had died as they were too long getting to their destination. It's terrible that this awful accident happened but that is life, it's not planned, it's tragic but let's not **** those who put their lives on the line in order to save others, 999 could be knocking on any of our doors at any time god forbid.
It's good to see that many of you support the LAS. I sadly had to call the LAS last year to my husband and I can tell you that I wouldn't have cared what measures they had to take to get here to save my husband which sadly they couldn't. I wonder if these negative people would have not thought the same had they of been in my position. The LAS are emergency service doing their utmost to get to a situation that the sooner they get there the more hopeful it would be to save a life. I only hope that they were able to recruit another crew swiftly to the person they were intending to help before the accident. How many times have we all read in the News Shopper of those complaining that someone had died as they were too long getting to their destination. It's terrible that this awful accident happened but that is life, it's not planned, it's tragic but let's not **** those who put their lives on the line in order to save others, 999 could be knocking on any of our doors at any time god forbid. mareen
  • Score: 5

11:03pm Thu 27 Mar 14

Chelyabinsk says...

FIT LAS AMBULANCES WITH ON-BOARD CAMERAS

Mason's Hill Wednesday was an accident waiting to happen.
Ambulances are careering around the borough daily at alarming speeds, often without due regard to the safety of other road users. The "get out of my way" attitude of ambulance drivers is putting the public at risk.

At 12.20am Thursday 27 March an LAS ambulance blithely reversed off the Market Square, Bromley into a line of oncoming traffic seemingly without any regard for public safety.

This cavalier attitude for public safety needs careful monitoring and regulating. On board cameras and black box recorders are the only solution.they may well be required for insurance purposes.
FIT LAS AMBULANCES WITH ON-BOARD CAMERAS Mason's Hill Wednesday was an accident waiting to happen. Ambulances are careering around the borough daily at alarming speeds, often without due regard to the safety of other road users. The "get out of my way" attitude of ambulance drivers is putting the public at risk. At 12.20am Thursday 27 March an LAS ambulance blithely reversed off the Market Square, Bromley into a line of oncoming traffic seemingly without any regard for public safety. This cavalier attitude for public safety needs careful monitoring and regulating. On board cameras and black box recorders are the only solution.they may well be required for insurance purposes. Chelyabinsk
  • Score: 5

10:09am Fri 28 Mar 14

theman321 says...

Chelyabinsk wrote:
FIT LAS AMBULANCES WITH ON-BOARD CAMERAS Mason's Hill Wednesday was an accident waiting to happen. Ambulances are careering around the borough daily at alarming speeds, often without due regard to the safety of other road users. The "get out of my way" attitude of ambulance drivers is putting the public at risk. At 12.20am Thursday 27 March an LAS ambulance blithely reversed off the Market Square, Bromley into a line of oncoming traffic seemingly without any regard for public safety. This cavalier attitude for public safety needs careful monitoring and regulating. On board cameras and black box recorders are the only solution.they may well be required for insurance purposes.
You simply amaze me with what you come out with! There is no cavalier attitude amongst the ambulance service! They do a job, which isn't very well paid considering, for the love of the job. They are very careful and highly trained drivers and clinicians who take justified and careful risks.
The "get out of my way attitude" you refer to is most likely because people are not paying attention and don't have the foresight to move out of the way and let these responders make progress, for all you know at the other end of that call may be a tiny baby that has stopped breathing, or a stab victim - there isn't just a life at the end of that but a collection of family and friends of the victim!

If you put cameras in ambulance vehicles, it will show you the number of wreckless and idiotic things people do when an ambulance is traveling up the road with lights on and sirens blaring! I pulled over the other day to let an ambulance pass, the driver behind was not paying attention, overtook me, and it was only the quick thinking if the ambulance driver who averted a disaster, and he (or she) was not traveling at excessive speed. 9/10 ambulance crashes, or any other emergency vehicle for that matter, are not the fault of the emergency driver! I've been in a few close calls because of people paying attention whilst on lights, and at no point were we in excess of speed, and anytime we do go over the speed limit we have to know we are safe to do so, which means taking road users and conditions into account!

I would quite happily let ambulance vehicles have cameras so it can be proven beyond all doubt that we are not at fault, and so more wreckless/not paying attention drivers can be prosecuted!

Also Chelyabinsk, by he manner of certain things you are saying I would suggest you are not a blue-light driver not have you been a passenger during a blue-light drive - therefore I suggest you observe a few before you comment any further. What you most likely consider "alarming speeds" are speeds that the drivers are well trained, safe and told they can use.
[quote][p][bold]Chelyabinsk[/bold] wrote: FIT LAS AMBULANCES WITH ON-BOARD CAMERAS Mason's Hill Wednesday was an accident waiting to happen. Ambulances are careering around the borough daily at alarming speeds, often without due regard to the safety of other road users. The "get out of my way" attitude of ambulance drivers is putting the public at risk. At 12.20am Thursday 27 March an LAS ambulance blithely reversed off the Market Square, Bromley into a line of oncoming traffic seemingly without any regard for public safety. This cavalier attitude for public safety needs careful monitoring and regulating. On board cameras and black box recorders are the only solution.they may well be required for insurance purposes.[/p][/quote]You simply amaze me with what you come out with! There is no cavalier attitude amongst the ambulance service! They do a job, which isn't very well paid considering, for the love of the job. They are very careful and highly trained drivers and clinicians who take justified and careful risks. The "get out of my way attitude" you refer to is most likely because people are not paying attention and don't have the foresight to move out of the way and let these responders make progress, for all you know at the other end of that call may be a tiny baby that has stopped breathing, or a stab victim - there isn't just a life at the end of that but a collection of family and friends of the victim! If you put cameras in ambulance vehicles, it will show you the number of wreckless and idiotic things people do when an ambulance is traveling up the road with lights on and sirens blaring! I pulled over the other day to let an ambulance pass, the driver behind was not paying attention, overtook me, and it was only the quick thinking if the ambulance driver who averted a disaster, and he (or she) was not traveling at excessive speed. 9/10 ambulance crashes, or any other emergency vehicle for that matter, are not the fault of the emergency driver! I've been in a few close calls because of people paying attention whilst on lights, and at no point were we in excess of speed, and anytime we do go over the speed limit we have to know we are safe to do so, which means taking road users and conditions into account! I would quite happily let ambulance vehicles have cameras so it can be proven beyond all doubt that we are not at fault, and so more wreckless/not paying attention drivers can be prosecuted! Also Chelyabinsk, by he manner of certain things you are saying I would suggest you are not a blue-light driver not have you been a passenger during a blue-light drive - therefore I suggest you observe a few before you comment any further. What you most likely consider "alarming speeds" are speeds that the drivers are well trained, safe and told they can use. theman321
  • Score: 5

10:16am Fri 28 Mar 14

the wall says...

Chelyabinsk wrote:
FIT LAS AMBULANCES WITH ON-BOARD CAMERAS

Mason's Hill Wednesday was an accident waiting to happen.
Ambulances are careering around the borough daily at alarming speeds, often without due regard to the safety of other road users. The "get out of my way" attitude of ambulance drivers is putting the public at risk.

At 12.20am Thursday 27 March an LAS ambulance blithely reversed off the Market Square, Bromley into a line of oncoming traffic seemingly without any regard for public safety.

This cavalier attitude for public safety needs careful monitoring and regulating. On board cameras and black box recorders are the only solution.they may well be required for insurance purposes.
Obvious troll is obvious.
[quote][p][bold]Chelyabinsk[/bold] wrote: FIT LAS AMBULANCES WITH ON-BOARD CAMERAS Mason's Hill Wednesday was an accident waiting to happen. Ambulances are careering around the borough daily at alarming speeds, often without due regard to the safety of other road users. The "get out of my way" attitude of ambulance drivers is putting the public at risk. At 12.20am Thursday 27 March an LAS ambulance blithely reversed off the Market Square, Bromley into a line of oncoming traffic seemingly without any regard for public safety. This cavalier attitude for public safety needs careful monitoring and regulating. On board cameras and black box recorders are the only solution.they may well be required for insurance purposes.[/p][/quote]Obvious troll is obvious. the wall
  • Score: -21

10:53am Fri 28 Mar 14

Chelyabinsk says...

We all applaud the service the London Ambulance Service gives us.
That is not in question.

The real concern is that innocent members of the public can be put at risk of serious injury or death by death defying public service vehicles charging at high speed along congested roads in 30mph traffic zones.

What about the Health and Safety issues, not least for Ambulance drivers themselves?

.
We all applaud the service the London Ambulance Service gives us. That is not in question. The real concern is that innocent members of the public can be put at risk of serious injury or death by death defying public service vehicles charging at high speed along congested roads in 30mph traffic zones. What about the Health and Safety issues, not least for Ambulance drivers themselves? . Chelyabinsk
  • Score: 8

12:38pm Fri 28 Mar 14

mareen says...

Chelyabinsk
I really don't understand your double standards in respect of innocent people being placed in death defying situations, don't you get it, 9 times out of 10 that's exactly what the ambulance service are doing, driving to a death defying situation, what do you want them to do, walk or maybe ride a bike. These drivers have their blues and twos on, as a driver, as soon as you hear them you should be observing and preparing to pull over to let them through, it's not rocket science. Are the innocent people on the road that you are referring to those that overtake me with music blaring so loud that they couldn't possibly hear themselves think let alone emergency service sirens or are they those that are texting or talking on their mobiles and too preoccupied to notice the blue lights which are distinctly visible.
The ambulances and fire brigade are usually summoned to death defying situations, maybe the police at times could be considered a little reckless, not always but there are some debatable issues with that force. It would appear to me that you have never experienced being witness to a death defying situation with a loved one of your own but rest assured should that ever happen to you and I hope it never does, you would completely change your mind, every minute that it takes for the ambulance to arrive feels like an eternity and your gratitude to them will be overwhelming.
Chelyabinsk I really don't understand your double standards in respect of innocent people being placed in death defying situations, don't you get it, 9 times out of 10 that's exactly what the ambulance service are doing, driving to a death defying situation, what do you want them to do, walk or maybe ride a bike. These drivers have their blues and twos on, as a driver, as soon as you hear them you should be observing and preparing to pull over to let them through, it's not rocket science. Are the innocent people on the road that you are referring to those that overtake me with music blaring so loud that they couldn't possibly hear themselves think let alone emergency service sirens or are they those that are texting or talking on their mobiles and too preoccupied to notice the blue lights which are distinctly visible. The ambulances and fire brigade are usually summoned to death defying situations, maybe the police at times could be considered a little reckless, not always but there are some debatable issues with that force. It would appear to me that you have never experienced being witness to a death defying situation with a loved one of your own but rest assured should that ever happen to you and I hope it never does, you would completely change your mind, every minute that it takes for the ambulance to arrive feels like an eternity and your gratitude to them will be overwhelming. mareen
  • Score: 3

3:12pm Fri 28 Mar 14

reasonable75 says...

Chelyabinsk

Imagine a member of your family was suffering a heart attack or other life threatening condition. Would you want the ambulance to wait patiently in traffic instead of getting there as quickly as possible?

If your house/flat was on fire and you were trapped don't worry the fire engine is stuck in a traffic jam but will get there when it can

You're being attacked, police are on their way but it may take a while as they must not break the speed limit

If people are paying attention then they should be aware of what's around them so don't pull out, if not then they could be driving without due care and attention

Perhaps you should read what the Highway Code says about emergency vehicles
Chelyabinsk Imagine a member of your family was suffering a heart attack or other life threatening condition. Would you want the ambulance to wait patiently in traffic instead of getting there as quickly as possible? If your house/flat was on fire and you were trapped don't worry the fire engine is stuck in a traffic jam but will get there when it can You're being attacked, police are on their way but it may take a while as they must not break the speed limit If people are paying attention then they should be aware of what's around them so don't pull out, if not then they could be driving without due care and attention Perhaps you should read what the Highway Code says about emergency vehicles reasonable75
  • Score: 4

3:32pm Fri 28 Mar 14

Marty1979 says...

Chelyabinsk wrote:
FIT LAS AMBULANCES WITH ON-BOARD CAMERAS

Mason's Hill Wednesday was an accident waiting to happen.
Ambulances are careering around the borough daily at alarming speeds, often without due regard to the safety of other road users. The "get out of my way" attitude of ambulance drivers is putting the public at risk.

At 12.20am Thursday 27 March an LAS ambulance blithely reversed off the Market Square, Bromley into a line of oncoming traffic seemingly without any regard for public safety.

This cavalier attitude for public safety needs careful monitoring and regulating. On board cameras and black box recorders are the only solution.they may well be required for insurance purposes.
At 12.20 am on Thursday 27 March"

So you are going round looking for examples of what you consider are bad driving by ambulance drivers?

Are you aware that drivers of emergency vehicles are trained on how to drive ? And they are accountable for their actions?

The majority of crashes involving emergency vehicles are due to the actions of the other driver
[quote][p][bold]Chelyabinsk[/bold] wrote: FIT LAS AMBULANCES WITH ON-BOARD CAMERAS Mason's Hill Wednesday was an accident waiting to happen. Ambulances are careering around the borough daily at alarming speeds, often without due regard to the safety of other road users. The "get out of my way" attitude of ambulance drivers is putting the public at risk. At 12.20am Thursday 27 March an LAS ambulance blithely reversed off the Market Square, Bromley into a line of oncoming traffic seemingly without any regard for public safety. This cavalier attitude for public safety needs careful monitoring and regulating. On board cameras and black box recorders are the only solution.they may well be required for insurance purposes.[/p][/quote]At 12.20 am on Thursday 27 March" So you are going round looking for examples of what you consider are bad driving by ambulance drivers? Are you aware that drivers of emergency vehicles are trained on how to drive ? And they are accountable for their actions? The majority of crashes involving emergency vehicles are due to the actions of the other driver Marty1979
  • Score: 4

3:39pm Fri 28 Mar 14

Marty1979 says...

reasonable75 wrote:
Chelyabinsk

Imagine a member of your family was suffering a heart attack or other life threatening condition. Would you want the ambulance to wait patiently in traffic instead of getting there as quickly as possible?

If your house/flat was on fire and you were trapped don't worry the fire engine is stuck in a traffic jam but will get there when it can

You're being attacked, police are on their way but it may take a while as they must not break the speed limit

If people are paying attention then they should be aware of what's around them so don't pull out, if not then they could be driving without due care and attention

Perhaps you should read what the Highway Code says about emergency vehicles
I expect she'd call an ambulance if she had a splinter in her finger, and complain if they took over 5 minutes to arrive
[quote][p][bold]reasonable75[/bold] wrote: Chelyabinsk Imagine a member of your family was suffering a heart attack or other life threatening condition. Would you want the ambulance to wait patiently in traffic instead of getting there as quickly as possible? If your house/flat was on fire and you were trapped don't worry the fire engine is stuck in a traffic jam but will get there when it can You're being attacked, police are on their way but it may take a while as they must not break the speed limit If people are paying attention then they should be aware of what's around them so don't pull out, if not then they could be driving without due care and attention Perhaps you should read what the Highway Code says about emergency vehicles[/p][/quote]I expect she'd call an ambulance if she had a splinter in her finger, and complain if they took over 5 minutes to arrive Marty1979
  • Score: 3

3:54pm Fri 28 Mar 14

BeckenhamCloud9 says...

A few weeks ago I was waiting to cross a road - I could hear a siren so looked around & saw an ambulance approaching

There was a young man wearing headphones, busy texting (or e-mailing) on his iphone. He went to step out & grabbed his arm to stop him

If I hadn't he would have walked in front of the ambulance & been injured or worse. But by Chelyabinsk's logic the ambulance driver would have been at fault and should be hung drawn & quartered
A few weeks ago I was waiting to cross a road - I could hear a siren so looked around & saw an ambulance approaching There was a young man wearing headphones, busy texting (or e-mailing) on his iphone. He went to step out & grabbed his arm to stop him If I hadn't he would have walked in front of the ambulance & been injured or worse. But by Chelyabinsk's logic the ambulance driver would have been at fault and should be hung drawn & quartered BeckenhamCloud9
  • Score: 5

3:55pm Fri 28 Mar 14

BeckenhamCloud9 says...

Marty1979 wrote:
Chelyabinsk wrote: FIT LAS AMBULANCES WITH ON-BOARD CAMERAS Mason's Hill Wednesday was an accident waiting to happen. Ambulances are careering around the borough daily at alarming speeds, often without due regard to the safety of other road users. The "get out of my way" attitude of ambulance drivers is putting the public at risk. At 12.20am Thursday 27 March an LAS ambulance blithely reversed off the Market Square, Bromley into a line of oncoming traffic seemingly without any regard for public safety. This cavalier attitude for public safety needs careful monitoring and regulating. On board cameras and black box recorders are the only solution.they may well be required for insurance purposes.
At 12.20 am on Thursday 27 March" So you are going round looking for examples of what you consider are bad driving by ambulance drivers? Are you aware that drivers of emergency vehicles are trained on how to drive ? And they are accountable for their actions? The majority of crashes involving emergency vehicles are due to the actions of the other driver
12.20 am on Thursday 27 March

Perhaps he/she has nothing better to do?
[quote][p][bold]Marty1979[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Chelyabinsk[/bold] wrote: FIT LAS AMBULANCES WITH ON-BOARD CAMERAS Mason's Hill Wednesday was an accident waiting to happen. Ambulances are careering around the borough daily at alarming speeds, often without due regard to the safety of other road users. The "get out of my way" attitude of ambulance drivers is putting the public at risk. At 12.20am Thursday 27 March an LAS ambulance blithely reversed off the Market Square, Bromley into a line of oncoming traffic seemingly without any regard for public safety. This cavalier attitude for public safety needs careful monitoring and regulating. On board cameras and black box recorders are the only solution.they may well be required for insurance purposes.[/p][/quote]At 12.20 am on Thursday 27 March" So you are going round looking for examples of what you consider are bad driving by ambulance drivers? Are you aware that drivers of emergency vehicles are trained on how to drive ? And they are accountable for their actions? The majority of crashes involving emergency vehicles are due to the actions of the other driver[/p][/quote]12.20 am on Thursday 27 March Perhaps he/she has nothing better to do? BeckenhamCloud9
  • Score: 3

4:05pm Fri 28 Mar 14

franksutton says...

Chelyabinsk wrote:
Unknown Person wrote:
Chelyabinsk wrote:
Brook wrote: Chelyabinsk - lets hope you never need emergency treatment or assistance. What are they supposed to do? Keep behind the idots who pull in front or stop them overtaking
The high speed driving in this incident has caused: * An Air Ambulance to be called. * The road to be closed to all traffic - including the emergency Ambulance services - putting further lives at risk. * The total closure of roads and disruption of travel on all roads around Bromley town centre. * Serious injury caused by an Ambulance. To paraphrase your words - "keep idiots" from behind the wheel of LAS ambulances.
The air ambulance didn't attend this incident "We sent a single responder in a car, three ambulance crews and a duty officer.''
At approximately 3.20pm today Wednesday the loud clattering of a helicopter was heard as it rose to gain height above the Kentish Way close to Bromley Civic Centre. The traffic in all the roads surrounding Bromley town centre was at a standstill having been brought to a complete halt. Explain !
So why do you need to post twice?
[quote][p][bold]Chelyabinsk[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Unknown Person[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Chelyabinsk[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Brook[/bold] wrote: Chelyabinsk - lets hope you never need emergency treatment or assistance. What are they supposed to do? Keep behind the idots who pull in front or stop them overtaking[/p][/quote]The high speed driving in this incident has caused: * An Air Ambulance to be called. * The road to be closed to all traffic - including the emergency Ambulance services - putting further lives at risk. * The total closure of roads and disruption of travel on all roads around Bromley town centre. * Serious injury caused by an Ambulance. To paraphrase your words - "keep idiots" from behind the wheel of LAS ambulances.[/p][/quote]The air ambulance didn't attend this incident "We sent a single responder in a car, three ambulance crews and a duty officer.''[/p][/quote]At approximately 3.20pm today Wednesday the loud clattering of a helicopter was heard as it rose to gain height above the Kentish Way close to Bromley Civic Centre. The traffic in all the roads surrounding Bromley town centre was at a standstill having been brought to a complete halt. Explain ![/p][/quote]So why do you need to post twice? franksutton
  • Score: 3

4:08pm Fri 28 Mar 14

franksutton says...

jaded1 wrote:
Chelyabinsk wrote:
Unknown Person wrote:
Chelyabinsk wrote:
Brook wrote: Chelyabinsk - lets hope you never need emergency treatment or assistance. What are they supposed to do? Keep behind the idots who pull in front or stop them overtaking
The high speed driving in this incident has caused: * An Air Ambulance to be called. * The road to be closed to all traffic - including the emergency Ambulance services - putting further lives at risk. * The total closure of roads and disruption of travel on all roads around Bromley town centre. * Serious injury caused by an Ambulance. To paraphrase your words - "keep idiots" from behind the wheel of LAS ambulances.
The air ambulance didn't attend this incident "We sent a single responder in a car, three ambulance crews and a duty officer.''
At approximately 3.20pm today Wednesday the loud clattering of a helicopter was heard as it rose to gain height above the Kentish Way close to Bromley Civic Centre. The traffic in all the roads surrounding Bromley town centre was at a standstill having been brought to a complete halt. Explain !
Dear Expert,the helicopter was the police one looking for a high-risk missing person in the Orpington area.They probably swooped to have a look at the accident on the way back to their base. Yes I am PC at Bromley who did attend this accident and got very wet trying to clear the road.By the way stopping and asking a wet PC "can I go through?" isn't cool and just slows the traffic down even more.The road is shut for all drivers,it's not personal against you.
But we know Chelyabinsk goes around checking every detail - ambulance reversing at 12.20 am

If she says it was the air ambulance she must be right & you are making it up
[quote][p][bold]jaded1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Chelyabinsk[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Unknown Person[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Chelyabinsk[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Brook[/bold] wrote: Chelyabinsk - lets hope you never need emergency treatment or assistance. What are they supposed to do? Keep behind the idots who pull in front or stop them overtaking[/p][/quote]The high speed driving in this incident has caused: * An Air Ambulance to be called. * The road to be closed to all traffic - including the emergency Ambulance services - putting further lives at risk. * The total closure of roads and disruption of travel on all roads around Bromley town centre. * Serious injury caused by an Ambulance. To paraphrase your words - "keep idiots" from behind the wheel of LAS ambulances.[/p][/quote]The air ambulance didn't attend this incident "We sent a single responder in a car, three ambulance crews and a duty officer.''[/p][/quote]At approximately 3.20pm today Wednesday the loud clattering of a helicopter was heard as it rose to gain height above the Kentish Way close to Bromley Civic Centre. The traffic in all the roads surrounding Bromley town centre was at a standstill having been brought to a complete halt. Explain ![/p][/quote]Dear Expert,the helicopter was the police one looking for a high-risk missing person in the Orpington area.They probably swooped to have a look at the accident on the way back to their base. Yes I am PC at Bromley who did attend this accident and got very wet trying to clear the road.By the way stopping and asking a wet PC "can I go through?" isn't cool and just slows the traffic down even more.The road is shut for all drivers,it's not personal against you.[/p][/quote]But we know Chelyabinsk goes around checking every detail - ambulance reversing at 12.20 am If she says it was the air ambulance she must be right & you are making it up franksutton
  • Score: 3

4:21pm Fri 28 Mar 14

franksutton says...

Chelyabinsk wrote:
jaded1 Thank you for your most informative reply and the public service duty you have performed in the rain. I am pleased to say I was not inconvenienced by this accident as I was a pedestrian at the time although others I know suffered severe disruption. The point I have been making is that LAS vehicles are routinely being driven at high speed forcing drivers to give way. This is a danger to ambulances themselves, their on-board patients and the general public driving about the borough. Hardly a day goes by when one is not forced over to give way to a speeding LAS vehicle with shrieking siren and flashing blue lights. Are there really this many genuine health emergencies in Bromley borough requiring a death defying race around our streets?
An ambulance is called, unfortunately many calls are to what end up a non-urgent situation, but they do need to respond "just in case".

Whilst you may decided to call an ambulance for something trivial, then complain (and sue) if it doesnt arrive immediately the crew cannot make that judgement until they arrive on scene

"forcing drivers to give way" well if other drivers took heed of the ambulance & made space then they would not have to force there way

So you are forced over to give way to a speeding LAS vehicle with shrieking siren and flashing blue lights - say you decided not to give way and someone died. That would be justified in your opinion?
[quote][p][bold]Chelyabinsk[/bold] wrote: jaded1 Thank you for your most informative reply and the public service duty you have performed in the rain. I am pleased to say I was not inconvenienced by this accident as I was a pedestrian at the time although others I know suffered severe disruption. The point I have been making is that LAS vehicles are routinely being driven at high speed forcing drivers to give way. This is a danger to ambulances themselves, their on-board patients and the general public driving about the borough. Hardly a day goes by when one is not forced over to give way to a speeding LAS vehicle with shrieking siren and flashing blue lights. Are there really this many genuine health emergencies in Bromley borough requiring a death defying race around our streets?[/p][/quote]An ambulance is called, unfortunately many calls are to what end up a non-urgent situation, but they do need to respond "just in case". Whilst you may decided to call an ambulance for something trivial, then complain (and sue) if it doesnt arrive immediately the crew cannot make that judgement until they arrive on scene "forcing drivers to give way" well if other drivers took heed of the ambulance & made space then they would not have to force there way So you are forced over to give way to a speeding LAS vehicle with shrieking siren and flashing blue lights - say you decided not to give way and someone died. That would be justified in your opinion? franksutton
  • Score: 3

5:22pm Fri 28 Mar 14

Chelyabinsk says...

Do the ends justify the means?

This is the moral dilemma public service vehicle drivers face.

1. Should they drive at excessively high speeds in 30mph zones
endangering the lives of others, often to call outs of a trivial nature?
2. Or should they be given carte blanche to drive at high speed recklessly
regardless of the consequences and the danger this poses to the public?
Do the ends justify the means? This is the moral dilemma public service vehicle drivers face. 1. Should they drive at excessively high speeds in 30mph zones endangering the lives of others, often to call outs of a trivial nature? 2. Or should they be given carte blanche to drive at high speed recklessly regardless of the consequences and the danger this poses to the public? Chelyabinsk
  • Score: 6

7:11pm Fri 28 Mar 14

Marty1979 says...

NS have yet again created a second article about this

http://www.newsshopp
er.co.uk/news/111074
94.Traffic_chaos_aft
er_severe_Bromley_cr
ash/

And Chelyabinsk has added comments on there as well - wanting to why the ambulance service haven't apologised
NS have yet again created a second article about this http://www.newsshopp er.co.uk/news/111074 94.Traffic_chaos_aft er_severe_Bromley_cr ash/ And Chelyabinsk has added comments on there as well - wanting to why the ambulance service haven't apologised Marty1979
  • Score: 4

10:21pm Fri 28 Mar 14

kae says...

Chelyabinsk how do you know they were not responding to am actual emergency, rather then a call of a "trivial" nature?! LAS respond based on the information supplied to them by the emergency call centre, who in turn base their information on the details supplied by the caller. Heaven forbid that anyone you love/care for has treatment delayed because your attitude implies that you believe that emergency responders should not be able to travel on lights and sirens. Also the incident that you refer to in HOlmesdale road, was actually proven to be a police officer showing off and not responding to an emergency call, although at the time it was believed to be a car respondin to an armed robbery at the McDonalds at Bromley common!
Chelyabinsk how do you know they were not responding to am actual emergency, rather then a call of a "trivial" nature?! LAS respond based on the information supplied to them by the emergency call centre, who in turn base their information on the details supplied by the caller. Heaven forbid that anyone you love/care for has treatment delayed because your attitude implies that you believe that emergency responders should not be able to travel on lights and sirens. Also the incident that you refer to in HOlmesdale road, was actually proven to be a police officer showing off and not responding to an emergency call, although at the time it was believed to be a car respondin to an armed robbery at the McDonalds at Bromley common! kae
  • Score: 3

10:45pm Fri 28 Mar 14

Chelyabinsk says...

Marty1979 wrote:
NS have yet again created a second article about this

http://www.newsshopp

er.co.uk/news/111074

94.Traffic_chaos_aft

er_severe_Bromley_cr

ash/

And Chelyabinsk has added comments on there as well - wanting to why the ambulance service haven't apologised
Why haven't the LAS apologised?

Is it because they think they are above the law?
[quote][p][bold]Marty1979[/bold] wrote: NS have yet again created a second article about this http://www.newsshopp er.co.uk/news/111074 94.Traffic_chaos_aft er_severe_Bromley_cr ash/ And Chelyabinsk has added comments on there as well - wanting to why the ambulance service haven't apologised[/p][/quote]Why haven't the LAS apologised? Is it because they think they are above the law? Chelyabinsk
  • Score: 6

10:53pm Fri 28 Mar 14

Chelyabinsk says...

kae wrote:
Chelyabinsk how do you know they were not responding to am actual emergency, rather then a call of a "trivial" nature?! LAS respond based on the information supplied to them by the emergency call centre, who in turn base their information on the details supplied by the caller. Heaven forbid that anyone you love/care for has treatment delayed because your attitude implies that you believe that emergency responders should not be able to travel on lights and sirens. Also the incident that you refer to in HOlmesdale road, was actually proven to be a police officer showing off and not responding to an emergency call, although at the time it was believed to be a car respondin to an armed robbery at the McDonalds at Bromley common!
Heaven forbid that you will be hospitalised (or worse) because of a speeding ambulance.

As to the speeding police vehicle you mention which claimed the life of a Holmesdale Rd resident. The speeding vehicle was in pursuit of an allegedly stolen vehicle. A claim which proved false in court.

The driver of that speeding vehicle was given a 6 1/2 year jail sentence and lost his job.

Comment is free. Facts are sacred.
[quote][p][bold]kae[/bold] wrote: Chelyabinsk how do you know they were not responding to am actual emergency, rather then a call of a "trivial" nature?! LAS respond based on the information supplied to them by the emergency call centre, who in turn base their information on the details supplied by the caller. Heaven forbid that anyone you love/care for has treatment delayed because your attitude implies that you believe that emergency responders should not be able to travel on lights and sirens. Also the incident that you refer to in HOlmesdale road, was actually proven to be a police officer showing off and not responding to an emergency call, although at the time it was believed to be a car respondin to an armed robbery at the McDonalds at Bromley common![/p][/quote]Heaven forbid that you will be hospitalised (or worse) because of a speeding ambulance. As to the speeding police vehicle you mention which claimed the life of a Holmesdale Rd resident. The speeding vehicle was in pursuit of an allegedly stolen vehicle. A claim which proved false in court. The driver of that speeding vehicle was given a 6 1/2 year jail sentence and lost his job. Comment is free. Facts are sacred. Chelyabinsk
  • Score: 4

11:26pm Fri 28 Mar 14

reasonable75 says...

Chelyabinsk wrote:
Marty1979 wrote:
NS have yet again created a second article about this

http://www.newsshopp


er.co.uk/news/111074


94.Traffic_chaos_aft


er_severe_Bromley_cr


ash/

And Chelyabinsk has added comments on there as well - wanting to why the ambulance service haven't apologised
Why haven't the LAS apologised?

Is it because they think they are above the law?
What exactly do you want LAS to apologise for?
[quote][p][bold]Chelyabinsk[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Marty1979[/bold] wrote: NS have yet again created a second article about this http://www.newsshopp er.co.uk/news/111074 94.Traffic_chaos_aft er_severe_Bromley_cr ash/ And Chelyabinsk has added comments on there as well - wanting to why the ambulance service haven't apologised[/p][/quote]Why haven't the LAS apologised? Is it because they think they are above the law?[/p][/quote]What exactly do you want LAS to apologise for? reasonable75
  • Score: 5

12:48am Sat 29 Mar 14

ADDIKS181 says...

Chelyabinsk wrote:
This is an accident waiting to happen.

LAS drivers have been routinely careering recklessly at extremely high speed around the borough causing a danger to other road users. It was only a matter of time before a serious accident resulted.

Blue lights and sirens do not give LAS or the police the right to endanger the lives of other road users with high speed, reckless driving.

LAS is to be commended on the excellent work they do, but not at any cost.
I am struggling to comprehend if this and your other ridiculous posts, are constructed to provoke a reaction or you really are that dense. You clearly have no perception of the stress that an emergency responder suffers when responding to an emergency call. These vehicles are driven at speeds above the prescribed limits, but rarely at high speeds, with extreme diligence and a high degree of skill, requiring an immense level of concentration. This type of driving is not due to some machismo, but rather to effectively discharge their duties. Critical time factors are undoubtably an issue in many cases , yet an ever increasing number of road users fail to respect that those blue, red and white lights are not coming from a mobile disco neither is that wailing siren Mr Whippys latest music to attract kids to his ice cream van. Those lights and those sirens are there to tell other road users to afford the emergency vehicle precedence. The Highway Code is quite specific about this, not to mention the fact that it is a criminal offence to intentionally obstruct a member of the emergency services. Arguably the attitude of some drivers would suggest that they are doing just that. Many drivers simply do not look beyond their nose. They look but they do not see. As they sit cocooned in that metal box, headphones in, music blaring, the see 5 yards in front of their bonnet and no further, let alone what is in their mirrors. Before condemning the person behind the wheel, why not walk a short while in their shoes. You might well see that Paramedic is not driving recklessly but with greater precision than many others on the road. To suggest that they would intentionally put the lives of the public at risk is an absolute insult and 1 that you should be thoroughly ashamed of. Do you not realise that that they do not get paid per patient? Creating additional casualties and damaging their fleet is hardly going to be a priority for the LAS. I suspect that they already have enough work to do. Might I suggest that rather than spending so much time spouting tripe, that you do a bit of research. You might find that our emergency services have some of the best driver training anywhere in the world and that the schools at which they are taught, attract students from across the globe. Their safety record is second to none.
[quote][p][bold]Chelyabinsk[/bold] wrote: This is an accident waiting to happen. LAS drivers have been routinely careering recklessly at extremely high speed around the borough causing a danger to other road users. It was only a matter of time before a serious accident resulted. Blue lights and sirens do not give LAS or the police the right to endanger the lives of other road users with high speed, reckless driving. LAS is to be commended on the excellent work they do, but not at any cost.[/p][/quote]I am struggling to comprehend if this and your other ridiculous posts, are constructed to provoke a reaction or you really are that dense. You clearly have no perception of the stress that an emergency responder suffers when responding to an emergency call. These vehicles are driven at speeds above the prescribed limits, but rarely at high speeds, with extreme diligence and a high degree of skill, requiring an immense level of concentration. This type of driving is not due to some machismo, but rather to effectively discharge their duties. Critical time factors are undoubtably an issue in many cases , yet an ever increasing number of road users fail to respect that those blue, red and white lights are not coming from a mobile disco neither is that wailing siren Mr Whippys latest music to attract kids to his ice cream van. Those lights and those sirens are there to tell other road users to afford the emergency vehicle precedence. The Highway Code is quite specific about this, not to mention the fact that it is a criminal offence to intentionally obstruct a member of the emergency services. Arguably the attitude of some drivers would suggest that they are doing just that. Many drivers simply do not look beyond their nose. They look but they do not see. As they sit cocooned in that metal box, headphones in, music blaring, the see 5 yards in front of their bonnet and no further, let alone what is in their mirrors. Before condemning the person behind the wheel, why not walk a short while in their shoes. You might well see that Paramedic is not driving recklessly but with greater precision than many others on the road. To suggest that they would intentionally put the lives of the public at risk is an absolute insult and 1 that you should be thoroughly ashamed of. Do you not realise that that they do not get paid per patient? Creating additional casualties and damaging their fleet is hardly going to be a priority for the LAS. I suspect that they already have enough work to do. Might I suggest that rather than spending so much time spouting tripe, that you do a bit of research. You might find that our emergency services have some of the best driver training anywhere in the world and that the schools at which they are taught, attract students from across the globe. Their safety record is second to none. ADDIKS181
  • Score: 5

6:30am Sat 29 Mar 14

Chelyabinsk says...

ADDIKS181 wrote:
Chelyabinsk wrote:
This is an accident waiting to happen.

LAS drivers have been routinely careering recklessly at extremely high speed around the borough causing a danger to other road users. It was only a matter of time before a serious accident resulted.

Blue lights and sirens do not give LAS or the police the right to endanger the lives of other road users with high speed, reckless driving.

LAS is to be commended on the excellent work they do, but not at any cost.
I am struggling to comprehend if this and your other ridiculous posts, are constructed to provoke a reaction or you really are that dense. You clearly have no perception of the stress that an emergency responder suffers when responding to an emergency call. These vehicles are driven at speeds above the prescribed limits, but rarely at high speeds, with extreme diligence and a high degree of skill, requiring an immense level of concentration. This type of driving is not due to some machismo, but rather to effectively discharge their duties. Critical time factors are undoubtably an issue in many cases , yet an ever increasing number of road users fail to respect that those blue, red and white lights are not coming from a mobile disco neither is that wailing siren Mr Whippys latest music to attract kids to his ice cream van. Those lights and those sirens are there to tell other road users to afford the emergency vehicle precedence. The Highway Code is quite specific about this, not to mention the fact that it is a criminal offence to intentionally obstruct a member of the emergency services. Arguably the attitude of some drivers would suggest that they are doing just that. Many drivers simply do not look beyond their nose. They look but they do not see. As they sit cocooned in that metal box, headphones in, music blaring, the see 5 yards in front of their bonnet and no further, let alone what is in their mirrors. Before condemning the person behind the wheel, why not walk a short while in their shoes. You might well see that Paramedic is not driving recklessly but with greater precision than many others on the road. To suggest that they would intentionally put the lives of the public at risk is an absolute insult and 1 that you should be thoroughly ashamed of. Do you not realise that that they do not get paid per patient? Creating additional casualties and damaging their fleet is hardly going to be a priority for the LAS. I suspect that they already have enough work to do. Might I suggest that rather than spending so much time spouting tripe, that you do a bit of research. You might find that our emergency services have some of the best driver training anywhere in the world and that the schools at which they are taught, attract students from across the globe. Their safety record is second to none.
ADDIKS

Methinks you protest too much.
Your post fails to acknowledge that despite your claims of the extremely high standards of driver training an LAS vehicle is pictured bent and crumpled. It has obviously careered at high speed to have sustained such damage. The vehicle appears to be a total write off.
[quote][p][bold]ADDIKS181[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Chelyabinsk[/bold] wrote: This is an accident waiting to happen. LAS drivers have been routinely careering recklessly at extremely high speed around the borough causing a danger to other road users. It was only a matter of time before a serious accident resulted. Blue lights and sirens do not give LAS or the police the right to endanger the lives of other road users with high speed, reckless driving. LAS is to be commended on the excellent work they do, but not at any cost.[/p][/quote]I am struggling to comprehend if this and your other ridiculous posts, are constructed to provoke a reaction or you really are that dense. You clearly have no perception of the stress that an emergency responder suffers when responding to an emergency call. These vehicles are driven at speeds above the prescribed limits, but rarely at high speeds, with extreme diligence and a high degree of skill, requiring an immense level of concentration. This type of driving is not due to some machismo, but rather to effectively discharge their duties. Critical time factors are undoubtably an issue in many cases , yet an ever increasing number of road users fail to respect that those blue, red and white lights are not coming from a mobile disco neither is that wailing siren Mr Whippys latest music to attract kids to his ice cream van. Those lights and those sirens are there to tell other road users to afford the emergency vehicle precedence. The Highway Code is quite specific about this, not to mention the fact that it is a criminal offence to intentionally obstruct a member of the emergency services. Arguably the attitude of some drivers would suggest that they are doing just that. Many drivers simply do not look beyond their nose. They look but they do not see. As they sit cocooned in that metal box, headphones in, music blaring, the see 5 yards in front of their bonnet and no further, let alone what is in their mirrors. Before condemning the person behind the wheel, why not walk a short while in their shoes. You might well see that Paramedic is not driving recklessly but with greater precision than many others on the road. To suggest that they would intentionally put the lives of the public at risk is an absolute insult and 1 that you should be thoroughly ashamed of. Do you not realise that that they do not get paid per patient? Creating additional casualties and damaging their fleet is hardly going to be a priority for the LAS. I suspect that they already have enough work to do. Might I suggest that rather than spending so much time spouting tripe, that you do a bit of research. You might find that our emergency services have some of the best driver training anywhere in the world and that the schools at which they are taught, attract students from across the globe. Their safety record is second to none.[/p][/quote]ADDIKS Methinks you protest too much. Your post fails to acknowledge that despite your claims of the extremely high standards of driver training an LAS vehicle is pictured bent and crumpled. It has obviously careered at high speed to have sustained such damage. The vehicle appears to be a total write off. Chelyabinsk
  • Score: 2

9:20am Sat 29 Mar 14

Meehir says...

Chelyabinsk wrote:
Do the ends justify the means?

This is the moral dilemma public service vehicle drivers face.

1. Should they drive at excessively high speeds in 30mph zones
endangering the lives of others, often to call outs of a trivial nature?
2. Or should they be given carte blanche to drive at high speed recklessly
regardless of the consequences and the danger this poses to the public?
I will try and answer your questions as best I can.
"Do the ends justify the means? ". Apparently yes, as LAS drivers are bound to drive within the law. The speed and direction of vehicles is monitored at all times via LAS control. Drivers are expected to arrive at incidents within timescales that are set by Parliament. They are regularly monitored and have to explain when they fall short of expectation. Crews are also monitored on the quality of care given for each type of incident.
1. Crews are expected to "make progress" en route to an incident. Sometimes the nature of the call may necessitate a faster response, as stated in comments above. At no time are crews allowed to drive at "excessive speed" ( this is a matter of opinion to people , depending on their experience or point of view). Crew staff cannot pre-judge whether an incident is trivial or not, if they do they would not last very long in the job.
2. No!
[quote][p][bold]Chelyabinsk[/bold] wrote: Do the ends justify the means? This is the moral dilemma public service vehicle drivers face. 1. Should they drive at excessively high speeds in 30mph zones endangering the lives of others, often to call outs of a trivial nature? 2. Or should they be given carte blanche to drive at high speed recklessly regardless of the consequences and the danger this poses to the public?[/p][/quote]I will try and answer your questions as best I can. "Do the ends justify the means? ". Apparently yes, as LAS drivers are bound to drive within the law. The speed and direction of vehicles is monitored at all times via LAS control. Drivers are expected to arrive at incidents within timescales that are set by Parliament. They are regularly monitored and have to explain when they fall short of expectation. Crews are also monitored on the quality of care given for each type of incident. 1. Crews are expected to "make progress" en route to an incident. Sometimes the nature of the call may necessitate a faster response, as stated in comments above. At no time are crews allowed to drive at "excessive speed" ( this is a matter of opinion to people , depending on their experience or point of view). Crew staff cannot pre-judge whether an incident is trivial or not, if they do they would not last very long in the job. 2. No! Meehir
  • Score: 6

9:34am Sat 29 Mar 14

Downhamlad says...

Chelyabinsk wrote:
ADDIKS181 wrote:
Chelyabinsk wrote:
This is an accident waiting to happen.

LAS drivers have been routinely careering recklessly at extremely high speed around the borough causing a danger to other road users. It was only a matter of time before a serious accident resulted.

Blue lights and sirens do not give LAS or the police the right to endanger the lives of other road users with high speed, reckless driving.

LAS is to be commended on the excellent work they do, but not at any cost.
I am struggling to comprehend if this and your other ridiculous posts, are constructed to provoke a reaction or you really are that dense. You clearly have no perception of the stress that an emergency responder suffers when responding to an emergency call. These vehicles are driven at speeds above the prescribed limits, but rarely at high speeds, with extreme diligence and a high degree of skill, requiring an immense level of concentration. This type of driving is not due to some machismo, but rather to effectively discharge their duties. Critical time factors are undoubtably an issue in many cases , yet an ever increasing number of road users fail to respect that those blue, red and white lights are not coming from a mobile disco neither is that wailing siren Mr Whippys latest music to attract kids to his ice cream van. Those lights and those sirens are there to tell other road users to afford the emergency vehicle precedence. The Highway Code is quite specific about this, not to mention the fact that it is a criminal offence to intentionally obstruct a member of the emergency services. Arguably the attitude of some drivers would suggest that they are doing just that. Many drivers simply do not look beyond their nose. They look but they do not see. As they sit cocooned in that metal box, headphones in, music blaring, the see 5 yards in front of their bonnet and no further, let alone what is in their mirrors. Before condemning the person behind the wheel, why not walk a short while in their shoes. You might well see that Paramedic is not driving recklessly but with greater precision than many others on the road. To suggest that they would intentionally put the lives of the public at risk is an absolute insult and 1 that you should be thoroughly ashamed of. Do you not realise that that they do not get paid per patient? Creating additional casualties and damaging their fleet is hardly going to be a priority for the LAS. I suspect that they already have enough work to do. Might I suggest that rather than spending so much time spouting tripe, that you do a bit of research. You might find that our emergency services have some of the best driver training anywhere in the world and that the schools at which they are taught, attract students from across the globe. Their safety record is second to none.
ADDIKS

Methinks you protest too much.
Your post fails to acknowledge that despite your claims of the extremely high standards of driver training an LAS vehicle is pictured bent and crumpled. It has obviously careered at high speed to have sustained such damage. The vehicle appears to be a total write off.
So in addition to your other skills you are an expert vehicle assessor able to judge a car is beyond economical repair simply by looking at a photo?

Well I actually repair cars and the damage to the ambulance vehicle is the front bumper and bonnet, the bumper is GRP so would be replaced. The bonnet has bent but due to build of panel would be replaced. The rest of the car is not badly damaged to would not be a "write off"

The other car is an older vehicle and whilst damage appears less the cost might exceed the value of the car so it would be
"write off"

I have seen similar danage caused at low speed - but I forgot you are such an expert you know from the photo exactly how fast each vehicle was travelling
[quote][p][bold]Chelyabinsk[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ADDIKS181[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Chelyabinsk[/bold] wrote: This is an accident waiting to happen. LAS drivers have been routinely careering recklessly at extremely high speed around the borough causing a danger to other road users. It was only a matter of time before a serious accident resulted. Blue lights and sirens do not give LAS or the police the right to endanger the lives of other road users with high speed, reckless driving. LAS is to be commended on the excellent work they do, but not at any cost.[/p][/quote]I am struggling to comprehend if this and your other ridiculous posts, are constructed to provoke a reaction or you really are that dense. You clearly have no perception of the stress that an emergency responder suffers when responding to an emergency call. These vehicles are driven at speeds above the prescribed limits, but rarely at high speeds, with extreme diligence and a high degree of skill, requiring an immense level of concentration. This type of driving is not due to some machismo, but rather to effectively discharge their duties. Critical time factors are undoubtably an issue in many cases , yet an ever increasing number of road users fail to respect that those blue, red and white lights are not coming from a mobile disco neither is that wailing siren Mr Whippys latest music to attract kids to his ice cream van. Those lights and those sirens are there to tell other road users to afford the emergency vehicle precedence. The Highway Code is quite specific about this, not to mention the fact that it is a criminal offence to intentionally obstruct a member of the emergency services. Arguably the attitude of some drivers would suggest that they are doing just that. Many drivers simply do not look beyond their nose. They look but they do not see. As they sit cocooned in that metal box, headphones in, music blaring, the see 5 yards in front of their bonnet and no further, let alone what is in their mirrors. Before condemning the person behind the wheel, why not walk a short while in their shoes. You might well see that Paramedic is not driving recklessly but with greater precision than many others on the road. To suggest that they would intentionally put the lives of the public at risk is an absolute insult and 1 that you should be thoroughly ashamed of. Do you not realise that that they do not get paid per patient? Creating additional casualties and damaging their fleet is hardly going to be a priority for the LAS. I suspect that they already have enough work to do. Might I suggest that rather than spending so much time spouting tripe, that you do a bit of research. You might find that our emergency services have some of the best driver training anywhere in the world and that the schools at which they are taught, attract students from across the globe. Their safety record is second to none.[/p][/quote]ADDIKS Methinks you protest too much. Your post fails to acknowledge that despite your claims of the extremely high standards of driver training an LAS vehicle is pictured bent and crumpled. It has obviously careered at high speed to have sustained such damage. The vehicle appears to be a total write off.[/p][/quote]So in addition to your other skills you are an expert vehicle assessor able to judge a car is beyond economical repair simply by looking at a photo? Well I actually repair cars and the damage to the ambulance vehicle is the front bumper and bonnet, the bumper is GRP so would be replaced. The bonnet has bent but due to build of panel would be replaced. The rest of the car is not badly damaged to would not be a "write off" The other car is an older vehicle and whilst damage appears less the cost might exceed the value of the car so it would be "write off" I have seen similar danage caused at low speed - but I forgot you are such an expert you know from the photo exactly how fast each vehicle was travelling Downhamlad
  • Score: 5

10:10am Sat 29 Mar 14

Marty1979 says...

reasonable75 wrote:
Chelyabinsk wrote:
Marty1979 wrote:
NS have yet again created a second article about this

http://www.newsshopp



er.co.uk/news/111074



94.Traffic_chaos_aft



er_severe_Bromley_cr



ash/

And Chelyabinsk has added comments on there as well - wanting to why the ambulance service haven't apologised
Why haven't the LAS apologised?

Is it because they think they are above the law?
What exactly do you want LAS to apologise for?
I asked Chelyabinsk what LAS need to apologise for. No answer yet

Perhaps the question is too difficult
[quote][p][bold]reasonable75[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Chelyabinsk[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Marty1979[/bold] wrote: NS have yet again created a second article about this http://www.newsshopp er.co.uk/news/111074 94.Traffic_chaos_aft er_severe_Bromley_cr ash/ And Chelyabinsk has added comments on there as well - wanting to why the ambulance service haven't apologised[/p][/quote]Why haven't the LAS apologised? Is it because they think they are above the law?[/p][/quote]What exactly do you want LAS to apologise for?[/p][/quote]I asked Chelyabinsk what LAS need to apologise for. No answer yet Perhaps the question is too difficult Marty1979
  • Score: 4

11:01am Sat 29 Mar 14

theman321 says...

Can I just make the point about the speeding police vehicle you were referring to, that killed a pedestrian in Holmesdale Road. The police officer got 6 1/2 years as he was driving on blue lights whilst not on a call - he had just finished his training and did "practice runs" around Bromley, and he was driving like an idiot, hence why he was removed from the force and did time. He was an exception to the thousands of highly trained emergency drivers out there.

Chelyabinsk - despite what you say emergency drivers are very good, take justified and assessed risks which includes judging at what speed to go down a specific area of road, save lives on a daily basis and take unnecessary flack from members of the public despite all of this. You seem to be intent on giving them a bad name when it is not deserved. Even if it does prove to be the fault of the LAS driver, they still don't deserve a bad name because of one person considering all the great work they do!
Can I just make the point about the speeding police vehicle you were referring to, that killed a pedestrian in Holmesdale Road. The police officer got 6 1/2 years as he was driving on blue lights whilst not on a call - he had just finished his training and did "practice runs" around Bromley, and he was driving like an idiot, hence why he was removed from the force and did time. He was an exception to the thousands of highly trained emergency drivers out there. Chelyabinsk - despite what you say emergency drivers are very good, take justified and assessed risks which includes judging at what speed to go down a specific area of road, save lives on a daily basis and take unnecessary flack from members of the public despite all of this. You seem to be intent on giving them a bad name when it is not deserved. Even if it does prove to be the fault of the LAS driver, they still don't deserve a bad name because of one person considering all the great work they do! theman321
  • Score: 5

11:34am Sat 29 Mar 14

Chelyabinsk says...

theman321 wrote:
Can I just make the point about the speeding police vehicle you were referring to, that killed a pedestrian in Holmesdale Road. The police officer got 6 1/2 years as he was driving on blue lights whilst not on a call - he had just finished his training and did "practice runs" around Bromley, and he was driving like an idiot, hence why he was removed from the force and did time. He was an exception to the thousands of highly trained emergency drivers out there.

Chelyabinsk - despite what you say emergency drivers are very good, take justified and assessed risks which includes judging at what speed to go down a specific area of road, save lives on a daily basis and take unnecessary flack from members of the public despite all of this. You seem to be intent on giving them a bad name when it is not deserved. Even if it does prove to be the fault of the LAS driver, they still don't deserve a bad name because of one person considering all the great work they do!
Let's be quite clear.

You wrote,
"You seem to be intent on giving them (ambulance drivers) a bad name."
Not so !

Chelyabinsk wrote here:
"We all applaud the service the London Ambulance Service gives us.
That is not in question."

Please do not put words into my mouth that were never uttered.

There are serious safety issues about high speed driving on congested streets in 30mph areas - and not least for the ambulance crew themselves.
[quote][p][bold]theman321[/bold] wrote: Can I just make the point about the speeding police vehicle you were referring to, that killed a pedestrian in Holmesdale Road. The police officer got 6 1/2 years as he was driving on blue lights whilst not on a call - he had just finished his training and did "practice runs" around Bromley, and he was driving like an idiot, hence why he was removed from the force and did time. He was an exception to the thousands of highly trained emergency drivers out there. Chelyabinsk - despite what you say emergency drivers are very good, take justified and assessed risks which includes judging at what speed to go down a specific area of road, save lives on a daily basis and take unnecessary flack from members of the public despite all of this. You seem to be intent on giving them a bad name when it is not deserved. Even if it does prove to be the fault of the LAS driver, they still don't deserve a bad name because of one person considering all the great work they do![/p][/quote]Let's be quite clear. You wrote, "You seem to be intent on giving them (ambulance drivers) a bad name." Not so ! Chelyabinsk wrote here: "We all applaud the service the London Ambulance Service gives us. That is not in question." Please do not put words into my mouth that were never uttered. There are serious safety issues about high speed driving on congested streets in 30mph areas - and not least for the ambulance crew themselves. Chelyabinsk
  • Score: 4

11:49am Sat 29 Mar 14

Marty1979 says...

But what do they need to apologise for?
But what do they need to apologise for? Marty1979
  • Score: 4

1:15pm Sat 29 Mar 14

Chelyabinsk says...

Marty1979 wrote:
reasonable75 wrote:
Chelyabinsk wrote:
Marty1979 wrote:
NS have yet again created a second article about this

http://www.newsshopp




er.co.uk/news/111074




94.Traffic_chaos_aft




er_severe_Bromley_cr




ash/

And Chelyabinsk has added comments on there as well - wanting to why the ambulance service haven't apologised
Why haven't the LAS apologised?

Is it because they think they are above the law?
What exactly do you want LAS to apologise for?
I asked Chelyabinsk what LAS need to apologise for. No answer yet

Perhaps the question is too difficult
Vexatious
[quote][p][bold]Marty1979[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]reasonable75[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Chelyabinsk[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Marty1979[/bold] wrote: NS have yet again created a second article about this http://www.newsshopp er.co.uk/news/111074 94.Traffic_chaos_aft er_severe_Bromley_cr ash/ And Chelyabinsk has added comments on there as well - wanting to why the ambulance service haven't apologised[/p][/quote]Why haven't the LAS apologised? Is it because they think they are above the law?[/p][/quote]What exactly do you want LAS to apologise for?[/p][/quote]I asked Chelyabinsk what LAS need to apologise for. No answer yet Perhaps the question is too difficult[/p][/quote]Vexatious Chelyabinsk
  • Score: 2

6:05pm Sat 29 Mar 14

Meehir says...

Chelyabinsk wrote:
Marty1979 wrote:
reasonable75 wrote:
Chelyabinsk wrote:
Marty1979 wrote:
NS have yet again created a second article about this

http://www.newsshopp





er.co.uk/news/111074





94.Traffic_chaos_aft





er_severe_Bromley_cr





ash/

And Chelyabinsk has added comments on there as well - wanting to why the ambulance service haven't apologised
Why haven't the LAS apologised?

Is it because they think they are above the law?
What exactly do you want LAS to apologise for?
I asked Chelyabinsk what LAS need to apologise for. No answer yet

Perhaps the question is too difficult
Vexatious
Lorem ipsum describere?
[quote][p][bold]Chelyabinsk[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Marty1979[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]reasonable75[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Chelyabinsk[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Marty1979[/bold] wrote: NS have yet again created a second article about this http://www.newsshopp er.co.uk/news/111074 94.Traffic_chaos_aft er_severe_Bromley_cr ash/ And Chelyabinsk has added comments on there as well - wanting to why the ambulance service haven't apologised[/p][/quote]Why haven't the LAS apologised? Is it because they think they are above the law?[/p][/quote]What exactly do you want LAS to apologise for?[/p][/quote]I asked Chelyabinsk what LAS need to apologise for. No answer yet Perhaps the question is too difficult[/p][/quote]Vexatious[/p][/quote]Lorem ipsum describere? Meehir
  • Score: -32

6:07pm Sat 29 Mar 14

Marty1979 says...

Chelyabinsk wrote:
Marty1979 wrote:
reasonable75 wrote:
Chelyabinsk wrote:
Marty1979 wrote:
NS have yet again created a second article about this

http://www.newsshopp





er.co.uk/news/111074





94.Traffic_chaos_aft





er_severe_Bromley_cr





ash/

And Chelyabinsk has added comments on there as well - wanting to why the ambulance service haven't apologised
Why haven't the LAS apologised?

Is it because they think they are above the law?
What exactly do you want LAS to apologise for?
I asked Chelyabinsk what LAS need to apologise for. No answer yet

Perhaps the question is too difficult
Vexatious
But what is the reason?
[quote][p][bold]Chelyabinsk[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Marty1979[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]reasonable75[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Chelyabinsk[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Marty1979[/bold] wrote: NS have yet again created a second article about this http://www.newsshopp er.co.uk/news/111074 94.Traffic_chaos_aft er_severe_Bromley_cr ash/ And Chelyabinsk has added comments on there as well - wanting to why the ambulance service haven't apologised[/p][/quote]Why haven't the LAS apologised? Is it because they think they are above the law?[/p][/quote]What exactly do you want LAS to apologise for?[/p][/quote]I asked Chelyabinsk what LAS need to apologise for. No answer yet Perhaps the question is too difficult[/p][/quote]Vexatious[/p][/quote]But what is the reason? Marty1979
  • Score: 6

7:42pm Sat 29 Mar 14

ADDIKS181 says...

Downhamlad wrote:
Chelyabinsk wrote:
ADDIKS181 wrote:
Chelyabinsk wrote:
This is an accident waiting to happen.

LAS drivers have been routinely careering recklessly at extremely high speed around the borough causing a danger to other road users. It was only a matter of time before a serious accident resulted.

Blue lights and sirens do not give LAS or the police the right to endanger the lives of other road users with high speed, reckless driving.

LAS is to be commended on the excellent work they do, but not at any cost.
I am struggling to comprehend if this and your other ridiculous posts, are constructed to provoke a reaction or you really are that dense. You clearly have no perception of the stress that an emergency responder suffers when responding to an emergency call. These vehicles are driven at speeds above the prescribed limits, but rarely at high speeds, with extreme diligence and a high degree of skill, requiring an immense level of concentration. This type of driving is not due to some machismo, but rather to effectively discharge their duties. Critical time factors are undoubtably an issue in many cases , yet an ever increasing number of road users fail to respect that those blue, red and white lights are not coming from a mobile disco neither is that wailing siren Mr Whippys latest music to attract kids to his ice cream van. Those lights and those sirens are there to tell other road users to afford the emergency vehicle precedence. The Highway Code is quite specific about this, not to mention the fact that it is a criminal offence to intentionally obstruct a member of the emergency services. Arguably the attitude of some drivers would suggest that they are doing just that. Many drivers simply do not look beyond their nose. They look but they do not see. As they sit cocooned in that metal box, headphones in, music blaring, the see 5 yards in front of their bonnet and no further, let alone what is in their mirrors. Before condemning the person behind the wheel, why not walk a short while in their shoes. You might well see that Paramedic is not driving recklessly but with greater precision than many others on the road. To suggest that they would intentionally put the lives of the public at risk is an absolute insult and 1 that you should be thoroughly ashamed of. Do you not realise that that they do not get paid per patient? Creating additional casualties and damaging their fleet is hardly going to be a priority for the LAS. I suspect that they already have enough work to do. Might I suggest that rather than spending so much time spouting tripe, that you do a bit of research. You might find that our emergency services have some of the best driver training anywhere in the world and that the schools at which they are taught, attract students from across the globe. Their safety record is second to none.
ADDIKS

Methinks you protest too much.
Your post fails to acknowledge that despite your claims of the extremely high standards of driver training an LAS vehicle is pictured bent and crumpled. It has obviously careered at high speed to have sustained such damage. The vehicle appears to be a total write off.
So in addition to your other skills you are an expert vehicle assessor able to judge a car is beyond economical repair simply by looking at a photo?

Well I actually repair cars and the damage to the ambulance vehicle is the front bumper and bonnet, the bumper is GRP so would be replaced. The bonnet has bent but due to build of panel would be replaced. The rest of the car is not badly damaged to would not be a "write off"

The other car is an older vehicle and whilst damage appears less the cost might exceed the value of the car so it would be
"write off"

I have seen similar danage caused at low speed - but I forgot you are such an expert you know from the photo exactly how fast each vehicle was travelling
Downhamlad beat me to it , but I will give my 2 penneth in any event. You are wasted Chelyabinsk. Not only doe police forces across the country spend taxpayers money on driver training, they also she'll out to train an amount of their number as accident investigators. Hah, there they go waging tipping the tax payers hard earned cash down the drain. They should simply call you, the genius accident investigator. You could team up with Miss Marple or Angela Lansbury and attempt a hostile take over of all of the big cases that cops investigate. Then again probably not, as with all of your skills you can't tell the difference between a bright orange HEMS and the blue and yellow copper chopper. Honestly, what complete twoddle you spout. How you have the audacity to try and explain this collision is beyond me. Many modern cars have crumple zones, designed to alleviate the level of impact sustained by those inside the car in the event of a collision and thus reduce internal trauma. Essentially the car takes the brunt of the shunt. That means that a low speed collision can appear to THE UNTRAINED EYE, as if it has been driven at a brick wall rather quickly. Next pointless comment please
[quote][p][bold]Downhamlad[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Chelyabinsk[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ADDIKS181[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Chelyabinsk[/bold] wrote: This is an accident waiting to happen. LAS drivers have been routinely careering recklessly at extremely high speed around the borough causing a danger to other road users. It was only a matter of time before a serious accident resulted. Blue lights and sirens do not give LAS or the police the right to endanger the lives of other road users with high speed, reckless driving. LAS is to be commended on the excellent work they do, but not at any cost.[/p][/quote]I am struggling to comprehend if this and your other ridiculous posts, are constructed to provoke a reaction or you really are that dense. You clearly have no perception of the stress that an emergency responder suffers when responding to an emergency call. These vehicles are driven at speeds above the prescribed limits, but rarely at high speeds, with extreme diligence and a high degree of skill, requiring an immense level of concentration. This type of driving is not due to some machismo, but rather to effectively discharge their duties. Critical time factors are undoubtably an issue in many cases , yet an ever increasing number of road users fail to respect that those blue, red and white lights are not coming from a mobile disco neither is that wailing siren Mr Whippys latest music to attract kids to his ice cream van. Those lights and those sirens are there to tell other road users to afford the emergency vehicle precedence. The Highway Code is quite specific about this, not to mention the fact that it is a criminal offence to intentionally obstruct a member of the emergency services. Arguably the attitude of some drivers would suggest that they are doing just that. Many drivers simply do not look beyond their nose. They look but they do not see. As they sit cocooned in that metal box, headphones in, music blaring, the see 5 yards in front of their bonnet and no further, let alone what is in their mirrors. Before condemning the person behind the wheel, why not walk a short while in their shoes. You might well see that Paramedic is not driving recklessly but with greater precision than many others on the road. To suggest that they would intentionally put the lives of the public at risk is an absolute insult and 1 that you should be thoroughly ashamed of. Do you not realise that that they do not get paid per patient? Creating additional casualties and damaging their fleet is hardly going to be a priority for the LAS. I suspect that they already have enough work to do. Might I suggest that rather than spending so much time spouting tripe, that you do a bit of research. You might find that our emergency services have some of the best driver training anywhere in the world and that the schools at which they are taught, attract students from across the globe. Their safety record is second to none.[/p][/quote]ADDIKS Methinks you protest too much. Your post fails to acknowledge that despite your claims of the extremely high standards of driver training an LAS vehicle is pictured bent and crumpled. It has obviously careered at high speed to have sustained such damage. The vehicle appears to be a total write off.[/p][/quote]So in addition to your other skills you are an expert vehicle assessor able to judge a car is beyond economical repair simply by looking at a photo? Well I actually repair cars and the damage to the ambulance vehicle is the front bumper and bonnet, the bumper is GRP so would be replaced. The bonnet has bent but due to build of panel would be replaced. The rest of the car is not badly damaged to would not be a "write off" The other car is an older vehicle and whilst damage appears less the cost might exceed the value of the car so it would be "write off" I have seen similar danage caused at low speed - but I forgot you are such an expert you know from the photo exactly how fast each vehicle was travelling[/p][/quote]Downhamlad beat me to it , but I will give my 2 penneth in any event. You are wasted Chelyabinsk. Not only doe police forces across the country spend taxpayers money on driver training, they also she'll out to train an amount of their number as accident investigators. Hah, there they go waging tipping the tax payers hard earned cash down the drain. They should simply call you, the genius accident investigator. You could team up with Miss Marple or Angela Lansbury and attempt a hostile take over of all of the big cases that cops investigate. Then again probably not, as with all of your skills you can't tell the difference between a bright orange HEMS and the blue and yellow copper chopper. Honestly, what complete twoddle you spout. How you have the audacity to try and explain this collision is beyond me. Many modern cars have crumple zones, designed to alleviate the level of impact sustained by those inside the car in the event of a collision and thus reduce internal trauma. Essentially the car takes the brunt of the shunt. That means that a low speed collision can appear to THE UNTRAINED EYE, as if it has been driven at a brick wall rather quickly. Next pointless comment please ADDIKS181
  • Score: 4

10:09pm Sat 29 Mar 14

mareen says...

Chelyabinsk

What exactly are you moaning about, the inconvenience caused to members of the public? I was inconvenienced but did I care, no, as I was more concerned for those involved in the accident despite being drenched to the skin and freezing cold. I can assure you that anybody that has had the misfortune of calling for an emergency ambulance would not give a hoot on how they got to the destination. Are you involved with horses I ask myself as you appear to have blinkered vision. Emergency services travelling above the speed limits are not exclusive to the UK, it's world wide, that's what they are employed to do. They are expertly trained and if you drive like a Sunday driver then I would prefer to go in the ambulance. Perhaps you don't drive and therefore are talking out the back of your neck.
Chelyabinsk What exactly are you moaning about, the inconvenience caused to members of the public? I was inconvenienced but did I care, no, as I was more concerned for those involved in the accident despite being drenched to the skin and freezing cold. I can assure you that anybody that has had the misfortune of calling for an emergency ambulance would not give a hoot on how they got to the destination. Are you involved with horses I ask myself as you appear to have blinkered vision. Emergency services travelling above the speed limits are not exclusive to the UK, it's world wide, that's what they are employed to do. They are expertly trained and if you drive like a Sunday driver then I would prefer to go in the ambulance. Perhaps you don't drive and therefore are talking out the back of your neck. mareen
  • Score: 3

9:46am Sun 30 Mar 14

Marty1979 says...

Still waiting to know what Chelyabinsk wants LAS to apologise for
Still waiting to know what Chelyabinsk wants LAS to apologise for Marty1979
  • Score: 4

11:19am Sun 30 Mar 14

BeckenhamCloud9 says...

Chelyabinsk has jumped to the assumption that the LAS vehicle was speeding on an emergency call

Guess what - IT WASNT

It was simply driving towards Bromley when a car pulled out (without looking) from a pub car park. This was then a crash involving 2 cars where people were injured

Chelyabinsk seems to invent stuff to try to support his/her hatred of emergency services (eg stating the air ambulance attended when it was the police flying overhead)

But Chelyabinsk will still demand LAS issue an apology without saying what for

Could he/she explain exacly why
Chelyabinsk has jumped to the assumption that the LAS vehicle was speeding on an emergency call Guess what - IT WASNT It was simply driving towards Bromley when a car pulled out (without looking) from a pub car park. This was then a crash involving 2 cars where people were injured Chelyabinsk seems to invent stuff to try to support his/her hatred of emergency services (eg stating the air ambulance attended when it was the police flying overhead) But Chelyabinsk will still demand LAS issue an apology without saying what for Could he/she explain exacly why BeckenhamCloud9
  • Score: 6

2:04pm Sun 30 Mar 14

ADDIKS181 says...

BeckenhamCloud9 wrote:
Chelyabinsk has jumped to the assumption that the LAS vehicle was speeding on an emergency call

Guess what - IT WASNT

It was simply driving towards Bromley when a car pulled out (without looking) from a pub car park. This was then a crash involving 2 cars where people were injured

Chelyabinsk seems to invent stuff to try to support his/her hatred of emergency services (eg stating the air ambulance attended when it was the police flying overhead)

But Chelyabinsk will still demand LAS issue an apology without saying what for

Could he/she explain exacly why
Oh that is priceless. Can we not give a cyber chorus of "you're not singing any more" or perhaps "it's all gone quiet over there".
[quote][p][bold]BeckenhamCloud9[/bold] wrote: Chelyabinsk has jumped to the assumption that the LAS vehicle was speeding on an emergency call Guess what - IT WASNT It was simply driving towards Bromley when a car pulled out (without looking) from a pub car park. This was then a crash involving 2 cars where people were injured Chelyabinsk seems to invent stuff to try to support his/her hatred of emergency services (eg stating the air ambulance attended when it was the police flying overhead) But Chelyabinsk will still demand LAS issue an apology without saying what for Could he/she explain exacly why[/p][/quote]Oh that is priceless. Can we not give a cyber chorus of "you're not singing any more" or perhaps "it's all gone quiet over there". ADDIKS181
  • Score: 4

4:39pm Sun 30 Mar 14

Chelyabinsk says...

Fit Ambulances with dashboard cameras
and don't feed the trolls.
Fit Ambulances with dashboard cameras and don't feed the trolls. Chelyabinsk
  • Score: 4

5:17pm Sun 30 Mar 14

Marty1979 says...

You have (more than once) demanded that LAS issue an apology

I asked a perfectly reasonable question - why

Could you either answer or explain why not
You have (more than once) demanded that LAS issue an apology I asked a perfectly reasonable question - why Could you either answer or explain why not Marty1979
  • Score: 4

5:45pm Sun 30 Mar 14

Chelyabinsk says...

Forced into the gutter once again by a screaming LAS vehicle on the blues and twos. This time on at 2.58pm on a quiet Mother's Day afternoon across Chislehurst Common.

In the direction the LAS vehicle was going (towards Queen Mary's, Sidcup) there is no A&E Department.
Forced into the gutter once again by a screaming LAS vehicle on the blues and twos. This time on at 2.58pm on a quiet Mother's Day afternoon across Chislehurst Common. In the direction the LAS vehicle was going (towards Queen Mary's, Sidcup) there is no A&E Department. Chelyabinsk
  • Score: 4

5:46pm Sun 30 Mar 14

Chelyabinsk says...

Marty1979 wrote:
You have (more than once) demanded that LAS issue an apology

I asked a perfectly reasonable question - why

Could you either answer or explain why not
Dashboard cameras. No trolls !
[quote][p][bold]Marty1979[/bold] wrote: You have (more than once) demanded that LAS issue an apology I asked a perfectly reasonable question - why Could you either answer or explain why not[/p][/quote]Dashboard cameras. No trolls ! Chelyabinsk
  • Score: 3

6:52pm Sun 30 Mar 14

Marty1979 says...

OK - imagine I'm a LAS spokesman

"Certainly Chelyabinsk we will be installing dashboard cameras in all our vehicles (which will show road users such as yourself who refuse to May way)

"I note you want an apology, we will be delighted to apologise if you could just explain what you would like us to apologise for"
OK - imagine I'm a LAS spokesman "Certainly Chelyabinsk we will be installing dashboard cameras in all our vehicles (which will show road users such as yourself who refuse to May way) "I note you want an apology, we will be delighted to apologise if you could just explain what you would like us to apologise for" Marty1979
  • Score: 6

9:20pm Sun 30 Mar 14

reasonable75 says...

Chelyabinsk wrote:
Forced into the gutter once again by a screaming LAS vehicle on the blues and twos. This time on at 2.58pm on a quiet Mother's Day afternoon across Chislehurst Common.

In the direction the LAS vehicle was going (towards Queen Mary's, Sidcup) there is no A&E Department.
Are you really that thick or are you deliberately trying to offend?

So an ambulance went towards Queen Mary's. But from Chislehurst it could have been going down the A 20, to Eltham. Anywhere. You choose to assume it was going to Queen Mary's hospital. Why?

If you bothered to talk to a member of the ambulance service instead of slagging them off all the time you would find they use siren & lights on the way to an emergency. It is extremely rare to use siren & lights when travelling to a hospital

I really hope you never need emergency medical treatment - as you would probably refuse to get in an ambulance that had broken a speed limit to get to you. Or not - you would probably complain they weren't quick enough
[quote][p][bold]Chelyabinsk[/bold] wrote: Forced into the gutter once again by a screaming LAS vehicle on the blues and twos. This time on at 2.58pm on a quiet Mother's Day afternoon across Chislehurst Common. In the direction the LAS vehicle was going (towards Queen Mary's, Sidcup) there is no A&E Department.[/p][/quote]Are you really that thick or are you deliberately trying to offend? So an ambulance went towards Queen Mary's. But from Chislehurst it could have been going down the A 20, to Eltham. Anywhere. You choose to assume it was going to Queen Mary's hospital. Why? If you bothered to talk to a member of the ambulance service instead of slagging them off all the time you would find they use siren & lights on the way to an emergency. It is extremely rare to use siren & lights when travelling to a hospital I really hope you never need emergency medical treatment - as you would probably refuse to get in an ambulance that had broken a speed limit to get to you. Or not - you would probably complain they weren't quick enough reasonable75
  • Score: 5

9:24pm Sun 30 Mar 14

ElsieH says...

Chelyabinsk wrote:
Forced into the gutter once again by a screaming LAS vehicle on the blues and twos. This time on at 2.58pm on a quiet Mother's Day afternoon across Chislehurst Common.

In the direction the LAS vehicle was going (towards Queen Mary's, Sidcup) there is no A&E Department.
And of course it wouldn't occur to you that the general public are the ones forgetting that there is no longer an A&E at Queen Mary's, so when they arrive with "chest pain" or "difficulty in breathing", then an ambulance is required to attend urgently to transfer them to a more appropriate destination.
[quote][p][bold]Chelyabinsk[/bold] wrote: Forced into the gutter once again by a screaming LAS vehicle on the blues and twos. This time on at 2.58pm on a quiet Mother's Day afternoon across Chislehurst Common. In the direction the LAS vehicle was going (towards Queen Mary's, Sidcup) there is no A&E Department.[/p][/quote]And of course it wouldn't occur to you that the general public are the ones forgetting that there is no longer an A&E at Queen Mary's, so when they arrive with "chest pain" or "difficulty in breathing", then an ambulance is required to attend urgently to transfer them to a more appropriate destination. ElsieH
  • Score: 7

10:18pm Sun 30 Mar 14

ADDIKS181 says...

reasonable75 wrote:
Chelyabinsk wrote:
Forced into the gutter once again by a screaming LAS vehicle on the blues and twos. This time on at 2.58pm on a quiet Mother's Day afternoon across Chislehurst Common.

In the direction the LAS vehicle was going (towards Queen Mary's, Sidcup) there is no A&E Department.
Are you really that thick or are you deliberately trying to offend?

So an ambulance went towards Queen Mary's. But from Chislehurst it could have been going down the A 20, to Eltham. Anywhere. You choose to assume it was going to Queen Mary's hospital. Why?

If you bothered to talk to a member of the ambulance service instead of slagging them off all the time you would find they use siren & lights on the way to an emergency. It is extremely rare to use siren & lights when travelling to a hospital

I really hope you never need emergency medical treatment - as you would probably refuse to get in an ambulance that had broken a speed limit to get to you. Or not - you would probably complain they weren't quick enough
Now I feel we are all being a little harsh on poor old Chelyabinsk, who makes a valid point about being forced into the gutter on a quiet Mother's Day afternoon by a screaming LAS vehicle going in the direction of Queen Marys Hospital, which doesn't even have an ED. Crikey, we are so silly. Finally the penny has dropped. People don't get ill on Mothers Day or any quiet Sunday afternoon, especially in Chislehurst or Sidcup. What possible excuse could that beastly Paramedic have for sticking on that dreadful siren and breaching the tranquility of Chislehurst Common? Really, what shocking behaviour. There is only 1 thing for it, I think that you Chelyabinsk should take a leaf out of that cycling mike blokes book and get yourself a dash cam so you can prove to the world that those Paramedic people are nothing but jumped up joyriders in their fluorescent yellow trucks and Skodas, belting around suburbia at all hours of the day and night for no good reason other than the fact that some attention seeker is clinging on to life. I can't wait to see the footage, and we can partition Parliment. I can see it now, we can call it Chelyabinsk Against London Ambulance Service, or should we just stick to CALAS (I well aware that is not the correct spelling of callous, it is a play on words)
[quote][p][bold]reasonable75[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Chelyabinsk[/bold] wrote: Forced into the gutter once again by a screaming LAS vehicle on the blues and twos. This time on at 2.58pm on a quiet Mother's Day afternoon across Chislehurst Common. In the direction the LAS vehicle was going (towards Queen Mary's, Sidcup) there is no A&E Department.[/p][/quote]Are you really that thick or are you deliberately trying to offend? So an ambulance went towards Queen Mary's. But from Chislehurst it could have been going down the A 20, to Eltham. Anywhere. You choose to assume it was going to Queen Mary's hospital. Why? If you bothered to talk to a member of the ambulance service instead of slagging them off all the time you would find they use siren & lights on the way to an emergency. It is extremely rare to use siren & lights when travelling to a hospital I really hope you never need emergency medical treatment - as you would probably refuse to get in an ambulance that had broken a speed limit to get to you. Or not - you would probably complain they weren't quick enough[/p][/quote]Now I feel we are all being a little harsh on poor old Chelyabinsk, who makes a valid point about being forced into the gutter on a quiet Mother's Day afternoon by a screaming LAS vehicle going in the direction of Queen Marys Hospital, which doesn't even have an ED. Crikey, we are so silly. Finally the penny has dropped. People don't get ill on Mothers Day or any quiet Sunday afternoon, especially in Chislehurst or Sidcup. What possible excuse could that beastly Paramedic have for sticking on that dreadful siren and breaching the tranquility of Chislehurst Common? Really, what shocking behaviour. There is only 1 thing for it, I think that you Chelyabinsk should take a leaf out of that cycling mike blokes book and get yourself a dash cam so you can prove to the world that those Paramedic people are nothing but jumped up joyriders in their fluorescent yellow trucks and Skodas, belting around suburbia at all hours of the day and night for no good reason other than the fact that some attention seeker is clinging on to life. I can't wait to see the footage, and we can partition Parliment. I can see it now, we can call it Chelyabinsk Against London Ambulance Service, or should we just stick to CALAS (I well aware that is not the correct spelling of callous, it is a play on words) ADDIKS181
  • Score: 7

10:40pm Sun 30 Mar 14

Chelyabinsk says...

These people need to get closure and move on.
An accident happened, get over it !

Suggest they follow the News Shopper's Pub Spy
down to the Lullingstone Castle, Swanley.
From their comments it sounds like their kind of place.

Enjoy.
These people need to get closure and move on. An accident happened, get over it ! Suggest they follow the News Shopper's Pub Spy down to the Lullingstone Castle, Swanley. From their comments it sounds like their kind of place. Enjoy. Chelyabinsk
  • Score: 4

10:59pm Sun 30 Mar 14

Chelyabinsk says...

ADDIKS181 wrote:
reasonable75 wrote:
Chelyabinsk wrote:
Forced into the gutter once again by a screaming LAS vehicle on the blues and twos. This time on at 2.58pm on a quiet Mother's Day afternoon across Chislehurst Common.

In the direction the LAS vehicle was going (towards Queen Mary's, Sidcup) there is no A&E Department.
Are you really that thick or are you deliberately trying to offend?

So an ambulance went towards Queen Mary's. But from Chislehurst it could have been going down the A 20, to Eltham. Anywhere. You choose to assume it was going to Queen Mary's hospital. Why?

If you bothered to talk to a member of the ambulance service instead of slagging them off all the time you would find they use siren & lights on the way to an emergency. It is extremely rare to use siren & lights when travelling to a hospital

I really hope you never need emergency medical treatment - as you would probably refuse to get in an ambulance that had broken a speed limit to get to you. Or not - you would probably complain they weren't quick enough
Now I feel we are all being a little harsh on poor old Chelyabinsk, who makes a valid point about being forced into the gutter on a quiet Mother's Day afternoon by a screaming LAS vehicle going in the direction of Queen Marys Hospital, which doesn't even have an ED. Crikey, we are so silly. Finally the penny has dropped. People don't get ill on Mothers Day or any quiet Sunday afternoon, especially in Chislehurst or Sidcup. What possible excuse could that beastly Paramedic have for sticking on that dreadful siren and breaching the tranquility of Chislehurst Common? Really, what shocking behaviour. There is only 1 thing for it, I think that you Chelyabinsk should take a leaf out of that cycling mike blokes book and get yourself a dash cam so you can prove to the world that those Paramedic people are nothing but jumped up joyriders in their fluorescent yellow trucks and Skodas, belting around suburbia at all hours of the day and night for no good reason other than the fact that some attention seeker is clinging on to life. I can't wait to see the footage, and we can partition Parliment. I can see it now, we can call it Chelyabinsk Against London Ambulance Service, or should we just stick to CALAS (I well aware that is not the correct spelling of callous, it is a play on words)
Quote:

"so we partition parliament".

Blimey, English not your first language, ADDICK?
[quote][p][bold]ADDIKS181[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]reasonable75[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Chelyabinsk[/bold] wrote: Forced into the gutter once again by a screaming LAS vehicle on the blues and twos. This time on at 2.58pm on a quiet Mother's Day afternoon across Chislehurst Common. In the direction the LAS vehicle was going (towards Queen Mary's, Sidcup) there is no A&E Department.[/p][/quote]Are you really that thick or are you deliberately trying to offend? So an ambulance went towards Queen Mary's. But from Chislehurst it could have been going down the A 20, to Eltham. Anywhere. You choose to assume it was going to Queen Mary's hospital. Why? If you bothered to talk to a member of the ambulance service instead of slagging them off all the time you would find they use siren & lights on the way to an emergency. It is extremely rare to use siren & lights when travelling to a hospital I really hope you never need emergency medical treatment - as you would probably refuse to get in an ambulance that had broken a speed limit to get to you. Or not - you would probably complain they weren't quick enough[/p][/quote]Now I feel we are all being a little harsh on poor old Chelyabinsk, who makes a valid point about being forced into the gutter on a quiet Mother's Day afternoon by a screaming LAS vehicle going in the direction of Queen Marys Hospital, which doesn't even have an ED. Crikey, we are so silly. Finally the penny has dropped. People don't get ill on Mothers Day or any quiet Sunday afternoon, especially in Chislehurst or Sidcup. What possible excuse could that beastly Paramedic have for sticking on that dreadful siren and breaching the tranquility of Chislehurst Common? Really, what shocking behaviour. There is only 1 thing for it, I think that you Chelyabinsk should take a leaf out of that cycling mike blokes book and get yourself a dash cam so you can prove to the world that those Paramedic people are nothing but jumped up joyriders in their fluorescent yellow trucks and Skodas, belting around suburbia at all hours of the day and night for no good reason other than the fact that some attention seeker is clinging on to life. I can't wait to see the footage, and we can partition Parliment. I can see it now, we can call it Chelyabinsk Against London Ambulance Service, or should we just stick to CALAS (I well aware that is not the correct spelling of callous, it is a play on words)[/p][/quote]Quote: "so we partition parliament". Blimey, English not your first language, ADDICK? Chelyabinsk
  • Score: -41

8:04am Mon 31 Mar 14

Chelyabinsk says...

Breaking news:

BBC News 31 March

Conservative London Assembly member calls for
cameras to be fitted to Ambulance staff and vehicles.
Breaking news: BBC News 31 March Conservative London Assembly member calls for cameras to be fitted to Ambulance staff and vehicles. Chelyabinsk
  • Score: 10

9:11am Mon 31 Mar 14

Bimembris says...

Chelyabinsk wrote:
Forced into the gutter once again by a screaming LAS vehicle on the blues and twos. This time on at 2.58pm on a quiet Mother's Day afternoon across Chislehurst Common. In the direction the LAS vehicle was going (towards Queen Mary's, Sidcup) there is no A&E Department.
Maybe they knew who you are and decided the gutter is the best place for you, suggest you stay there!!!
[quote][p][bold]Chelyabinsk[/bold] wrote: Forced into the gutter once again by a screaming LAS vehicle on the blues and twos. This time on at 2.58pm on a quiet Mother's Day afternoon across Chislehurst Common. In the direction the LAS vehicle was going (towards Queen Mary's, Sidcup) there is no A&E Department.[/p][/quote]Maybe they knew who you are and decided the gutter is the best place for you, suggest you stay there!!! Bimembris
  • Score: 6

10:14am Mon 31 Mar 14

the wall says...

Chelyabinsk wrote:
Forced into the gutter once again by a screaming LAS vehicle on the blues and twos. This time on at 2.58pm on a quiet Mother's Day afternoon across Chislehurst Common.

In the direction the LAS vehicle was going (towards Queen Mary's, Sidcup) there is no A&E Department.
I take it you have a camra in your car to prove this. Could it really be that you are not a very good driver .

It's also very clever of you to know that this LAS vehicle was heading to the closed A&E Department. With powers like that you must be able to pick winning lotto numbers every week.
[quote][p][bold]Chelyabinsk[/bold] wrote: Forced into the gutter once again by a screaming LAS vehicle on the blues and twos. This time on at 2.58pm on a quiet Mother's Day afternoon across Chislehurst Common. In the direction the LAS vehicle was going (towards Queen Mary's, Sidcup) there is no A&E Department.[/p][/quote]I take it you have a camra in your car to prove this. Could it really be that you are not a very good driver . It's also very clever of you to know that this LAS vehicle was heading to the closed A&E Department. With powers like that you must be able to pick winning lotto numbers every week. the wall
  • Score: -20

10:23am Mon 31 Mar 14

Chelyabinsk says...

the wall wrote:
Chelyabinsk wrote:
Forced into the gutter once again by a screaming LAS vehicle on the blues and twos. This time on at 2.58pm on a quiet Mother's Day afternoon across Chislehurst Common.

In the direction the LAS vehicle was going (towards Queen Mary's, Sidcup) there is no A&E Department.
I take it you have a camra in your car to prove this. Could it really be that you are not a very good driver .

It's also very clever of you to know that this LAS vehicle was heading to the closed A&E Department. With powers like that you must be able to pick winning lotto numbers every week.
Camra !!!
[quote][p][bold]the wall[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Chelyabinsk[/bold] wrote: Forced into the gutter once again by a screaming LAS vehicle on the blues and twos. This time on at 2.58pm on a quiet Mother's Day afternoon across Chislehurst Common. In the direction the LAS vehicle was going (towards Queen Mary's, Sidcup) there is no A&E Department.[/p][/quote]I take it you have a camra in your car to prove this. Could it really be that you are not a very good driver . It's also very clever of you to know that this LAS vehicle was heading to the closed A&E Department. With powers like that you must be able to pick winning lotto numbers every week.[/p][/quote]Camra !!! Chelyabinsk
  • Score: 4

12:25pm Mon 31 Mar 14

the wall says...

Chelyabinsk wrote:
the wall wrote:
Chelyabinsk wrote:
Forced into the gutter once again by a screaming LAS vehicle on the blues and twos. This time on at 2.58pm on a quiet Mother's Day afternoon across Chislehurst Common.

In the direction the LAS vehicle was going (towards Queen Mary's, Sidcup) there is no A&E Department.
I take it you have a camra in your car to prove this. Could it really be that you are not a very good driver .

It's also very clever of you to know that this LAS vehicle was heading to the closed A&E Department. With powers like that you must be able to pick winning lotto numbers every week.
Camra !!!
Yes the Campaign for Real Ale. You know what I mean camera.

So what are this weeks lotto numbers?
[quote][p][bold]Chelyabinsk[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]the wall[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Chelyabinsk[/bold] wrote: Forced into the gutter once again by a screaming LAS vehicle on the blues and twos. This time on at 2.58pm on a quiet Mother's Day afternoon across Chislehurst Common. In the direction the LAS vehicle was going (towards Queen Mary's, Sidcup) there is no A&E Department.[/p][/quote]I take it you have a camra in your car to prove this. Could it really be that you are not a very good driver . It's also very clever of you to know that this LAS vehicle was heading to the closed A&E Department. With powers like that you must be able to pick winning lotto numbers every week.[/p][/quote]Camra !!![/p][/quote]Yes the Campaign for Real Ale. You know what I mean camera. So what are this weeks lotto numbers? the wall
  • Score: -13

3:49pm Mon 31 Mar 14

reasonable75 says...

Chelyabinsk wrote:
Breaking news:

BBC News 31 March

Conservative London Assembly member calls for
cameras to be fitted to Ambulance staff and vehicles.
This would be cameras to be fitted to staff so everyone can see the abuse they have to put up with trying to help people

Cameras to be fitted to vehicles to show (and hopefully prosecute) other drivers (not mentioning a certain person) refusing to give way as stipulated in the Highway Code?

Fantastic - look forward to seeing Chelyabinsk in court
[quote][p][bold]Chelyabinsk[/bold] wrote: Breaking news: BBC News 31 March Conservative London Assembly member calls for cameras to be fitted to Ambulance staff and vehicles.[/p][/quote]This would be cameras to be fitted to staff so everyone can see the abuse they have to put up with trying to help people Cameras to be fitted to vehicles to show (and hopefully prosecute) other drivers (not mentioning a certain person) refusing to give way as stipulated in the Highway Code? Fantastic - look forward to seeing Chelyabinsk in court reasonable75
  • Score: 5

4:05pm Mon 31 Mar 14

Teaspoon says...

MAUREEN - As I understand your concerns for the LAS to attend to patients as quickly as possible.... they need to do this safely and without putting others at risk! The vehicle involved in this accident could well have been on their way to someone like your husband but has become involved in an RTC along the way, which has resulted in them not being able to get there at all! Also now there is another casulty to deal with. Bit of a mess now isnt it?
MAUREEN - As I understand your concerns for the LAS to attend to patients as quickly as possible.... they need to do this safely and without putting others at risk! The vehicle involved in this accident could well have been on their way to someone like your husband but has become involved in an RTC along the way, which has resulted in them not being able to get there at all! Also now there is another casulty to deal with. Bit of a mess now isnt it? Teaspoon
  • Score: 18

4:54pm Mon 31 Mar 14

franksutton says...

Chelyabinsk wrote:
kae wrote: Chelyabinsk how do you know they were not responding to am actual emergency, rather then a call of a "trivial" nature?! LAS respond based on the information supplied to them by the emergency call centre, who in turn base their information on the details supplied by the caller. Heaven forbid that anyone you love/care for has treatment delayed because your attitude implies that you believe that emergency responders should not be able to travel on lights and sirens. Also the incident that you refer to in HOlmesdale road, was actually proven to be a police officer showing off and not responding to an emergency call, although at the time it was believed to be a car respondin to an armed robbery at the McDonalds at Bromley common!
Heaven forbid that you will be hospitalised (or worse) because of a speeding ambulance. As to the speeding police vehicle you mention which claimed the life of a Holmesdale Rd resident. The speeding vehicle was in pursuit of an allegedly stolen vehicle. A claim which proved false in court. The driver of that speeding vehicle was given a 6 1/2 year jail sentence and lost his job. Comment is free. Facts are sacred.
OK so Facts are sacred!

There was a collision between a LAS car and another vehicle which came out of a side turning (possibly without paying attention). This was no different to a collision between 2 cars.

Because people were injured medical assistance was needed, as with other incidents the road needed to be closed (causing problems in the area)

Because it involved an LAS vehicle a more detailed investigation was necessary so lengthening the delays

Chelyabinsk claimed an air ambulance attended. This was incorrect - the helicopter was in fact the Metropolitan Police helicopter attending another incident. TIP - the air ambulance (HEMS) is bright red, the police yellow and dark blue

Chelyabinsk has logged occasions where he/she has had to give way to an emergency vehicle - but this is listed in the highway code as to what people should do

Chelyabinsk wants LAS vehicles to be fitted with cameras. They are already fitted with data recorders showing every movement, signals, speed etc similar to a "black box", the drivers are held accountable for their actions and may be prosecuted if they have exceeded their rules

Chelyabinsk is an expert and simply looking at a photo can tell the speed that a vehicle was travelling and deduce who was to blame. Other mere mortals have to rely on a police investigation

Chelyabinsk demands LAS issue an apology, but refuses to say what for. In this case it appears the LAS driver was the innocent party

Chelyabinsk was "forced into the gutter" by an LAS vehicle - and knew that, even though this was on Chislehurst Common, it was going to Queen Mary's hospital

Chelyabinsk wants "people need to get closure and move on. An accident happened, get over it !" Yet adds more comments so prolonging the article



Have I got any of the facts wrong?
[quote][p][bold]Chelyabinsk[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]kae[/bold] wrote: Chelyabinsk how do you know they were not responding to am actual emergency, rather then a call of a "trivial" nature?! LAS respond based on the information supplied to them by the emergency call centre, who in turn base their information on the details supplied by the caller. Heaven forbid that anyone you love/care for has treatment delayed because your attitude implies that you believe that emergency responders should not be able to travel on lights and sirens. Also the incident that you refer to in HOlmesdale road, was actually proven to be a police officer showing off and not responding to an emergency call, although at the time it was believed to be a car respondin to an armed robbery at the McDonalds at Bromley common![/p][/quote]Heaven forbid that you will be hospitalised (or worse) because of a speeding ambulance. As to the speeding police vehicle you mention which claimed the life of a Holmesdale Rd resident. The speeding vehicle was in pursuit of an allegedly stolen vehicle. A claim which proved false in court. The driver of that speeding vehicle was given a 6 1/2 year jail sentence and lost his job. Comment is free. Facts are sacred.[/p][/quote]OK so Facts are sacred! There was a collision between a LAS car and another vehicle which came out of a side turning (possibly without paying attention). This was no different to a collision between 2 cars. Because people were injured medical assistance was needed, as with other incidents the road needed to be closed (causing problems in the area) Because it involved an LAS vehicle a more detailed investigation was necessary so lengthening the delays Chelyabinsk claimed an air ambulance attended. This was incorrect - the helicopter was in fact the Metropolitan Police helicopter attending another incident. TIP - the air ambulance (HEMS) is bright red, the police yellow and dark blue Chelyabinsk has logged occasions where he/she has had to give way to an emergency vehicle - but this is listed in the highway code as to what people should do Chelyabinsk wants LAS vehicles to be fitted with cameras. They are already fitted with data recorders showing every movement, signals, speed etc similar to a "black box", the drivers are held accountable for their actions and may be prosecuted if they have exceeded their rules Chelyabinsk is an expert and simply looking at a photo can tell the speed that a vehicle was travelling and deduce who was to blame. Other mere mortals have to rely on a police investigation Chelyabinsk demands LAS issue an apology, but refuses to say what for. In this case it appears the LAS driver was the innocent party Chelyabinsk was "forced into the gutter" by an LAS vehicle - and knew that, even though this was on Chislehurst Common, it was going to Queen Mary's hospital Chelyabinsk wants "people need to get closure and move on. An accident happened, get over it !" Yet adds more comments so prolonging the article Have I got any of the facts wrong? franksutton
  • Score: 5

5:18pm Mon 31 Mar 14

reasonable75 says...

Teaspoon wrote:
MAUREEN - As I understand your concerns for the LAS to attend to patients as quickly as possible.... they need to do this safely and without putting others at risk! The vehicle involved in this accident could well have been on their way to someone like your husband but has become involved in an RTC along the way, which has resulted in them not being able to get there at all! Also now there is another casulty to deal with. Bit of a mess now isnt it?
But it has been suggested the LAS car was not on an emergency call & was hit by a car coming out of a side turning

So the other car driver may be responsible for the responder being unavailable for another emergency - in addition to the injuries to the occupants of the LAS vehicle as well as themselves
[quote][p][bold]Teaspoon[/bold] wrote: MAUREEN - As I understand your concerns for the LAS to attend to patients as quickly as possible.... they need to do this safely and without putting others at risk! The vehicle involved in this accident could well have been on their way to someone like your husband but has become involved in an RTC along the way, which has resulted in them not being able to get there at all! Also now there is another casulty to deal with. Bit of a mess now isnt it?[/p][/quote]But it has been suggested the LAS car was not on an emergency call & was hit by a car coming out of a side turning So the other car driver may be responsible for the responder being unavailable for another emergency - in addition to the injuries to the occupants of the LAS vehicle as well as themselves reasonable75
  • Score: 7

5:39pm Mon 31 Mar 14

reasonable75 says...

franksutton wrote:
Chelyabinsk wrote:
kae wrote: Chelyabinsk how do you know they were not responding to am actual emergency, rather then a call of a "trivial" nature?! LAS respond based on the information supplied to them by the emergency call centre, who in turn base their information on the details supplied by the caller. Heaven forbid that anyone you love/care for has treatment delayed because your attitude implies that you believe that emergency responders should not be able to travel on lights and sirens. Also the incident that you refer to in HOlmesdale road, was actually proven to be a police officer showing off and not responding to an emergency call, although at the time it was believed to be a car respondin to an armed robbery at the McDonalds at Bromley common!
Heaven forbid that you will be hospitalised (or worse) because of a speeding ambulance. As to the speeding police vehicle you mention which claimed the life of a Holmesdale Rd resident. The speeding vehicle was in pursuit of an allegedly stolen vehicle. A claim which proved false in court. The driver of that speeding vehicle was given a 6 1/2 year jail sentence and lost his job. Comment is free. Facts are sacred.
OK so Facts are sacred!

There was a collision between a LAS car and another vehicle which came out of a side turning (possibly without paying attention). This was no different to a collision between 2 cars.

Because people were injured medical assistance was needed, as with other incidents the road needed to be closed (causing problems in the area)

Because it involved an LAS vehicle a more detailed investigation was necessary so lengthening the delays

Chelyabinsk claimed an air ambulance attended. This was incorrect - the helicopter was in fact the Metropolitan Police helicopter attending another incident. TIP - the air ambulance (HEMS) is bright red, the police yellow and dark blue

Chelyabinsk has logged occasions where he/she has had to give way to an emergency vehicle - but this is listed in the highway code as to what people should do

Chelyabinsk wants LAS vehicles to be fitted with cameras. They are already fitted with data recorders showing every movement, signals, speed etc similar to a "black box", the drivers are held accountable for their actions and may be prosecuted if they have exceeded their rules

Chelyabinsk is an expert and simply looking at a photo can tell the speed that a vehicle was travelling and deduce who was to blame. Other mere mortals have to rely on a police investigation

Chelyabinsk demands LAS issue an apology, but refuses to say what for. In this case it appears the LAS driver was the innocent party

Chelyabinsk was "forced into the gutter" by an LAS vehicle - and knew that, even though this was on Chislehurst Common, it was going to Queen Mary's hospital

Chelyabinsk wants "people need to get closure and move on. An accident happened, get over it !" Yet adds more comments so prolonging the article



Have I got any of the facts wrong?
Looks about right to me
[quote][p][bold]franksutton[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Chelyabinsk[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]kae[/bold] wrote: Chelyabinsk how do you know they were not responding to am actual emergency, rather then a call of a "trivial" nature?! LAS respond based on the information supplied to them by the emergency call centre, who in turn base their information on the details supplied by the caller. Heaven forbid that anyone you love/care for has treatment delayed because your attitude implies that you believe that emergency responders should not be able to travel on lights and sirens. Also the incident that you refer to in HOlmesdale road, was actually proven to be a police officer showing off and not responding to an emergency call, although at the time it was believed to be a car respondin to an armed robbery at the McDonalds at Bromley common![/p][/quote]Heaven forbid that you will be hospitalised (or worse) because of a speeding ambulance. As to the speeding police vehicle you mention which claimed the life of a Holmesdale Rd resident. The speeding vehicle was in pursuit of an allegedly stolen vehicle. A claim which proved false in court. The driver of that speeding vehicle was given a 6 1/2 year jail sentence and lost his job. Comment is free. Facts are sacred.[/p][/quote]OK so Facts are sacred! There was a collision between a LAS car and another vehicle which came out of a side turning (possibly without paying attention). This was no different to a collision between 2 cars. Because people were injured medical assistance was needed, as with other incidents the road needed to be closed (causing problems in the area) Because it involved an LAS vehicle a more detailed investigation was necessary so lengthening the delays Chelyabinsk claimed an air ambulance attended. This was incorrect - the helicopter was in fact the Metropolitan Police helicopter attending another incident. TIP - the air ambulance (HEMS) is bright red, the police yellow and dark blue Chelyabinsk has logged occasions where he/she has had to give way to an emergency vehicle - but this is listed in the highway code as to what people should do Chelyabinsk wants LAS vehicles to be fitted with cameras. They are already fitted with data recorders showing every movement, signals, speed etc similar to a "black box", the drivers are held accountable for their actions and may be prosecuted if they have exceeded their rules Chelyabinsk is an expert and simply looking at a photo can tell the speed that a vehicle was travelling and deduce who was to blame. Other mere mortals have to rely on a police investigation Chelyabinsk demands LAS issue an apology, but refuses to say what for. In this case it appears the LAS driver was the innocent party Chelyabinsk was "forced into the gutter" by an LAS vehicle - and knew that, even though this was on Chislehurst Common, it was going to Queen Mary's hospital Chelyabinsk wants "people need to get closure and move on. An accident happened, get over it !" Yet adds more comments so prolonging the article Have I got any of the facts wrong?[/p][/quote]Looks about right to me reasonable75
  • Score: 5

5:50pm Mon 31 Mar 14

Chelyabinsk says...

reasonable75 wrote:
Chelyabinsk wrote:
Breaking news:

BBC News 31 March

Conservative London Assembly member calls for
cameras to be fitted to Ambulance staff and vehicles.
This would be cameras to be fitted to staff so everyone can see the abuse they have to put up with trying to help people

Cameras to be fitted to vehicles to show (and hopefully prosecute) other drivers (not mentioning a certain person) refusing to give way as stipulated in the Highway Code?

Fantastic - look forward to seeing Chelyabinsk in court
OTT, mate.
[quote][p][bold]reasonable75[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Chelyabinsk[/bold] wrote: Breaking news: BBC News 31 March Conservative London Assembly member calls for cameras to be fitted to Ambulance staff and vehicles.[/p][/quote]This would be cameras to be fitted to staff so everyone can see the abuse they have to put up with trying to help people Cameras to be fitted to vehicles to show (and hopefully prosecute) other drivers (not mentioning a certain person) refusing to give way as stipulated in the Highway Code? Fantastic - look forward to seeing Chelyabinsk in court[/p][/quote]OTT, mate. Chelyabinsk
  • Score: 1

5:59pm Mon 31 Mar 14

Chelyabinsk says...

BBC News 31 March

DASHBOARD CAMERAS

Conservative London Assembly Member calls for cameras to be fitted
to ambulance staff and vehicles.

Dashboard cameras are exactly what Chelyabinsk has been calling for in the public interest.



.
BBC News 31 March DASHBOARD CAMERAS Conservative London Assembly Member calls for cameras to be fitted to ambulance staff and vehicles. Dashboard cameras are exactly what Chelyabinsk has been calling for in the public interest. . Chelyabinsk
  • Score: 4

6:02pm Mon 31 Mar 14

Chelyabinsk says...

reasonable75 wrote:
franksutton wrote:
Chelyabinsk wrote:
kae wrote: Chelyabinsk how do you know they were not responding to am actual emergency, rather then a call of a "trivial" nature?! LAS respond based on the information supplied to them by the emergency call centre, who in turn base their information on the details supplied by the caller. Heaven forbid that anyone you love/care for has treatment delayed because your attitude implies that you believe that emergency responders should not be able to travel on lights and sirens. Also the incident that you refer to in HOlmesdale road, was actually proven to be a police officer showing off and not responding to an emergency call, although at the time it was believed to be a car respondin to an armed robbery at the McDonalds at Bromley common!
Heaven forbid that you will be hospitalised (or worse) because of a speeding ambulance. As to the speeding police vehicle you mention which claimed the life of a Holmesdale Rd resident. The speeding vehicle was in pursuit of an allegedly stolen vehicle. A claim which proved false in court. The driver of that speeding vehicle was given a 6 1/2 year jail sentence and lost his job. Comment is free. Facts are sacred.
OK so Facts are sacred!

There was a collision between a LAS car and another vehicle which came out of a side turning (possibly without paying attention). This was no different to a collision between 2 cars.

Because people were injured medical assistance was needed, as with other incidents the road needed to be closed (causing problems in the area)

Because it involved an LAS vehicle a more detailed investigation was necessary so lengthening the delays

Chelyabinsk claimed an air ambulance attended. This was incorrect - the helicopter was in fact the Metropolitan Police helicopter attending another incident. TIP - the air ambulance (HEMS) is bright red, the police yellow and dark blue

Chelyabinsk has logged occasions where he/she has had to give way to an emergency vehicle - but this is listed in the highway code as to what people should do

Chelyabinsk wants LAS vehicles to be fitted with cameras. They are already fitted with data recorders showing every movement, signals, speed etc similar to a "black box", the drivers are held accountable for their actions and may be prosecuted if they have exceeded their rules

Chelyabinsk is an expert and simply looking at a photo can tell the speed that a vehicle was travelling and deduce who was to blame. Other mere mortals have to rely on a police investigation

Chelyabinsk demands LAS issue an apology, but refuses to say what for. In this case it appears the LAS driver was the innocent party

Chelyabinsk was "forced into the gutter" by an LAS vehicle - and knew that, even though this was on Chislehurst Common, it was going to Queen Mary's hospital

Chelyabinsk wants "people need to get closure and move on. An accident happened, get over it !" Yet adds more comments so prolonging the article



Have I got any of the facts wrong?
Looks about right to me
You clearly have a vested interest to declare.
[quote][p][bold]reasonable75[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]franksutton[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Chelyabinsk[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]kae[/bold] wrote: Chelyabinsk how do you know they were not responding to am actual emergency, rather then a call of a "trivial" nature?! LAS respond based on the information supplied to them by the emergency call centre, who in turn base their information on the details supplied by the caller. Heaven forbid that anyone you love/care for has treatment delayed because your attitude implies that you believe that emergency responders should not be able to travel on lights and sirens. Also the incident that you refer to in HOlmesdale road, was actually proven to be a police officer showing off and not responding to an emergency call, although at the time it was believed to be a car respondin to an armed robbery at the McDonalds at Bromley common![/p][/quote]Heaven forbid that you will be hospitalised (or worse) because of a speeding ambulance. As to the speeding police vehicle you mention which claimed the life of a Holmesdale Rd resident. The speeding vehicle was in pursuit of an allegedly stolen vehicle. A claim which proved false in court. The driver of that speeding vehicle was given a 6 1/2 year jail sentence and lost his job. Comment is free. Facts are sacred.[/p][/quote]OK so Facts are sacred! There was a collision between a LAS car and another vehicle which came out of a side turning (possibly without paying attention). This was no different to a collision between 2 cars. Because people were injured medical assistance was needed, as with other incidents the road needed to be closed (causing problems in the area) Because it involved an LAS vehicle a more detailed investigation was necessary so lengthening the delays Chelyabinsk claimed an air ambulance attended. This was incorrect - the helicopter was in fact the Metropolitan Police helicopter attending another incident. TIP - the air ambulance (HEMS) is bright red, the police yellow and dark blue Chelyabinsk has logged occasions where he/she has had to give way to an emergency vehicle - but this is listed in the highway code as to what people should do Chelyabinsk wants LAS vehicles to be fitted with cameras. They are already fitted with data recorders showing every movement, signals, speed etc similar to a "black box", the drivers are held accountable for their actions and may be prosecuted if they have exceeded their rules Chelyabinsk is an expert and simply looking at a photo can tell the speed that a vehicle was travelling and deduce who was to blame. Other mere mortals have to rely on a police investigation Chelyabinsk demands LAS issue an apology, but refuses to say what for. In this case it appears the LAS driver was the innocent party Chelyabinsk was "forced into the gutter" by an LAS vehicle - and knew that, even though this was on Chislehurst Common, it was going to Queen Mary's hospital Chelyabinsk wants "people need to get closure and move on. An accident happened, get over it !" Yet adds more comments so prolonging the article Have I got any of the facts wrong?[/p][/quote]Looks about right to me[/p][/quote]You clearly have a vested interest to declare. Chelyabinsk
  • Score: 0

6:05pm Mon 31 Mar 14

Chelyabinsk says...

reasonable75 wrote:
Chelyabinsk wrote:
Breaking news:

BBC News 31 March

Conservative London Assembly member calls for
cameras to be fitted to Ambulance staff and vehicles.
This would be cameras to be fitted to staff so everyone can see the abuse they have to put up with trying to help people

Cameras to be fitted to vehicles to show (and hopefully prosecute) other drivers (not mentioning a certain person) refusing to give way as stipulated in the Highway Code?

Fantastic - look forward to seeing Chelyabinsk in court
Trolling again !
See you in court.
[quote][p][bold]reasonable75[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Chelyabinsk[/bold] wrote: Breaking news: BBC News 31 March Conservative London Assembly member calls for cameras to be fitted to Ambulance staff and vehicles.[/p][/quote]This would be cameras to be fitted to staff so everyone can see the abuse they have to put up with trying to help people Cameras to be fitted to vehicles to show (and hopefully prosecute) other drivers (not mentioning a certain person) refusing to give way as stipulated in the Highway Code? Fantastic - look forward to seeing Chelyabinsk in court[/p][/quote]Trolling again ! See you in court. Chelyabinsk
  • Score: 2

6:14pm Mon 31 Mar 14

Gypo.Joe says...

Chelyabinsk and your point is ?

Please please in just a few words.
Chelyabinsk and your point is ? Please please in just a few words. Gypo.Joe
  • Score: -18

6:21pm Mon 31 Mar 14

Chelyabinsk says...

Gypo.Joe wrote:
Chelyabinsk and your point is ?

Please please in just a few words.
Gypo.Joe

And your point is?
[quote][p][bold]Gypo.Joe[/bold] wrote: Chelyabinsk and your point is ? Please please in just a few words.[/p][/quote]Gypo.Joe And your point is? Chelyabinsk
  • Score: 3

6:22pm Mon 31 Mar 14

reasonable75 says...

Chelyabinsk wrote:
reasonable75 wrote:
franksutton wrote:
Chelyabinsk wrote:
kae wrote: Chelyabinsk how do you know they were not responding to am actual emergency, rather then a call of a "trivial" nature?! LAS respond based on the information supplied to them by the emergency call centre, who in turn base their information on the details supplied by the caller. Heaven forbid that anyone you love/care for has treatment delayed because your attitude implies that you believe that emergency responders should not be able to travel on lights and sirens. Also the incident that you refer to in HOlmesdale road, was actually proven to be a police officer showing off and not responding to an emergency call, although at the time it was believed to be a car respondin to an armed robbery at the McDonalds at Bromley common!
Heaven forbid that you will be hospitalised (or worse) because of a speeding ambulance. As to the speeding police vehicle you mention which claimed the life of a Holmesdale Rd resident. The speeding vehicle was in pursuit of an allegedly stolen vehicle. A claim which proved false in court. The driver of that speeding vehicle was given a 6 1/2 year jail sentence and lost his job. Comment is free. Facts are sacred.
OK so Facts are sacred!

There was a collision between a LAS car and another vehicle which came out of a side turning (possibly without paying attention). This was no different to a collision between 2 cars.

Because people were injured medical assistance was needed, as with other incidents the road needed to be closed (causing problems in the area)

Because it involved an LAS vehicle a more detailed investigation was necessary so lengthening the delays

Chelyabinsk claimed an air ambulance attended. This was incorrect - the helicopter was in fact the Metropolitan Police helicopter attending another incident. TIP - the air ambulance (HEMS) is bright red, the police yellow and dark blue

Chelyabinsk has logged occasions where he/she has had to give way to an emergency vehicle - but this is listed in the highway code as to what people should do

Chelyabinsk wants LAS vehicles to be fitted with cameras. They are already fitted with data recorders showing every movement, signals, speed etc similar to a "black box", the drivers are held accountable for their actions and may be prosecuted if they have exceeded their rules

Chelyabinsk is an expert and simply looking at a photo can tell the speed that a vehicle was travelling and deduce who was to blame. Other mere mortals have to rely on a police investigation

Chelyabinsk demands LAS issue an apology, but refuses to say what for. In this case it appears the LAS driver was the innocent party

Chelyabinsk was "forced into the gutter" by an LAS vehicle - and knew that, even though this was on Chislehurst Common, it was going to Queen Mary's hospital

Chelyabinsk wants "people need to get closure and move on. An accident happened, get over it !" Yet adds more comments so prolonging the article



Have I got any of the facts wrong?
Looks about right to me
You clearly have a vested interest to declare.
But are any of the facts wrong?
[quote][p][bold]Chelyabinsk[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]reasonable75[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]franksutton[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Chelyabinsk[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]kae[/bold] wrote: Chelyabinsk how do you know they were not responding to am actual emergency, rather then a call of a "trivial" nature?! LAS respond based on the information supplied to them by the emergency call centre, who in turn base their information on the details supplied by the caller. Heaven forbid that anyone you love/care for has treatment delayed because your attitude implies that you believe that emergency responders should not be able to travel on lights and sirens. Also the incident that you refer to in HOlmesdale road, was actually proven to be a police officer showing off and not responding to an emergency call, although at the time it was believed to be a car respondin to an armed robbery at the McDonalds at Bromley common![/p][/quote]Heaven forbid that you will be hospitalised (or worse) because of a speeding ambulance. As to the speeding police vehicle you mention which claimed the life of a Holmesdale Rd resident. The speeding vehicle was in pursuit of an allegedly stolen vehicle. A claim which proved false in court. The driver of that speeding vehicle was given a 6 1/2 year jail sentence and lost his job. Comment is free. Facts are sacred.[/p][/quote]OK so Facts are sacred! There was a collision between a LAS car and another vehicle which came out of a side turning (possibly without paying attention). This was no different to a collision between 2 cars. Because people were injured medical assistance was needed, as with other incidents the road needed to be closed (causing problems in the area) Because it involved an LAS vehicle a more detailed investigation was necessary so lengthening the delays Chelyabinsk claimed an air ambulance attended. This was incorrect - the helicopter was in fact the Metropolitan Police helicopter attending another incident. TIP - the air ambulance (HEMS) is bright red, the police yellow and dark blue Chelyabinsk has logged occasions where he/she has had to give way to an emergency vehicle - but this is listed in the highway code as to what people should do Chelyabinsk wants LAS vehicles to be fitted with cameras. They are already fitted with data recorders showing every movement, signals, speed etc similar to a "black box", the drivers are held accountable for their actions and may be prosecuted if they have exceeded their rules Chelyabinsk is an expert and simply looking at a photo can tell the speed that a vehicle was travelling and deduce who was to blame. Other mere mortals have to rely on a police investigation Chelyabinsk demands LAS issue an apology, but refuses to say what for. In this case it appears the LAS driver was the innocent party Chelyabinsk was "forced into the gutter" by an LAS vehicle - and knew that, even though this was on Chislehurst Common, it was going to Queen Mary's hospital Chelyabinsk wants "people need to get closure and move on. An accident happened, get over it !" Yet adds more comments so prolonging the article Have I got any of the facts wrong?[/p][/quote]Looks about right to me[/p][/quote]You clearly have a vested interest to declare.[/p][/quote]But are any of the facts wrong? reasonable75
  • Score: 7

6:39pm Mon 31 Mar 14

reasonable75 says...

Chelyabinsk wrote:
reasonable75 wrote:
Chelyabinsk wrote:
Breaking news:

BBC News 31 March

Conservative London Assembly member calls for
cameras to be fitted to Ambulance staff and vehicles.
This would be cameras to be fitted to staff so everyone can see the abuse they have to put up with trying to help people

Cameras to be fitted to vehicles to show (and hopefully prosecute) other drivers (not mentioning a certain person) refusing to give way as stipulated in the Highway Code?

Fantastic - look forward to seeing Chelyabinsk in court
Trolling again !
See you in court.
Takes one to know one?
[quote][p][bold]Chelyabinsk[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]reasonable75[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Chelyabinsk[/bold] wrote: Breaking news: BBC News 31 March Conservative London Assembly member calls for cameras to be fitted to Ambulance staff and vehicles.[/p][/quote]This would be cameras to be fitted to staff so everyone can see the abuse they have to put up with trying to help people Cameras to be fitted to vehicles to show (and hopefully prosecute) other drivers (not mentioning a certain person) refusing to give way as stipulated in the Highway Code? Fantastic - look forward to seeing Chelyabinsk in court[/p][/quote]Trolling again ! See you in court.[/p][/quote]Takes one to know one? reasonable75
  • Score: 3

6:43pm Mon 31 Mar 14

Chelyabinsk says...

Fit cameras to ambulances and staff,
says Conservative London Assembly member.
BBC 31 March

Clearly accidents like that on Mason's Hill, Bromley
which severely disrupted traffic in Bromley at a peak travel time
cannot be allowed to be repeated.

Ambulance drivers have a duty of care to drive carefully and not write reckless posts.
Fit cameras to ambulances and staff, says Conservative London Assembly member. BBC 31 March Clearly accidents like that on Mason's Hill, Bromley which severely disrupted traffic in Bromley at a peak travel time cannot be allowed to be repeated. Ambulance drivers have a duty of care to drive carefully and not write reckless posts. Chelyabinsk
  • Score: 2

7:02pm Mon 31 Mar 14

Meehir says...

I really think that there is not much point in trying to converse with chelyabinsk on this subject. He/she/it appears to be a total KNobber. There, I feel better already.
I really think that there is not much point in trying to converse with chelyabinsk on this subject. He/she/it appears to be a total KNobber. There, I feel better already. Meehir
  • Score: 5

7:06pm Mon 31 Mar 14

ADDIKS181 says...

Chelyabinsk wrote:
Fit cameras to ambulances and staff,
says Conservative London Assembly member.
BBC 31 March

Clearly accidents like that on Mason's Hill, Bromley
which severely disrupted traffic in Bromley at a peak travel time
cannot be allowed to be repeated.

Ambulance drivers have a duty of care to drive carefully and not write reckless posts.
Do you mean that they are writing reckless posts at the same time as they are careering along recklessly in there ambulance. Now that is naughty
[quote][p][bold]Chelyabinsk[/bold] wrote: Fit cameras to ambulances and staff, says Conservative London Assembly member. BBC 31 March Clearly accidents like that on Mason's Hill, Bromley which severely disrupted traffic in Bromley at a peak travel time cannot be allowed to be repeated. Ambulance drivers have a duty of care to drive carefully and not write reckless posts.[/p][/quote]Do you mean that they are writing reckless posts at the same time as they are careering along recklessly in there ambulance. Now that is naughty ADDIKS181
  • Score: 6

7:12pm Mon 31 Mar 14

Chelyabinsk says...

Meehir wrote:
I really think that there is not much point in trying to converse with chelyabinsk on this subject. He/she/it appears to be a total KNobber. There, I feel better already.
Call an ambulance.
You need A & E.
[quote][p][bold]Meehir[/bold] wrote: I really think that there is not much point in trying to converse with chelyabinsk on this subject. He/she/it appears to be a total KNobber. There, I feel better already.[/p][/quote]Call an ambulance. You need A & E. Chelyabinsk
  • Score: 2

7:27pm Mon 31 Mar 14

Marty1979 says...

Chelyabinsk

You have in a number of posts demanded that LAS apologise, in one you claimed they had not because they are above the law

In turn I asked what they are supposed to apologise for

This is not trolling, but surely a reasonable question
Chelyabinsk You have in a number of posts demanded that LAS apologise, in one you claimed they had not because they are above the law In turn I asked what they are supposed to apologise for This is not trolling, but surely a reasonable question Marty1979
  • Score: 7

7:37pm Mon 31 Mar 14

Gypo.Joe says...

Chelyabinsk wrote:
Gypo.Joe wrote:
Chelyabinsk and your point is ?

Please please in just a few words.
Gypo.Joe

And your point is?
My point is you've posted so much BS I was hoping you could précis it all down to a line or maybe two at most.

You seem to have a massive issue with the LAS, was it a paramedic laughed when you called about an erection that lasted longer than four hours after one of your erectile dysfunction tablets ? Or is it just a case of anal retentiveness ?

The later me thinks.
[quote][p][bold]Chelyabinsk[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Gypo.Joe[/bold] wrote: Chelyabinsk and your point is ? Please please in just a few words.[/p][/quote]Gypo.Joe And your point is?[/p][/quote]My point is you've posted so much BS I was hoping you could précis it all down to a line or maybe two at most. You seem to have a massive issue with the LAS, was it a paramedic laughed when you called about an erection that lasted longer than four hours after one of your erectile dysfunction tablets ? Or is it just a case of anal retentiveness ? The later me thinks. Gypo.Joe
  • Score: -16

8:31pm Mon 31 Mar 14

Chelyabinsk says...

Marty1979 wrote:
Chelyabinsk

You have in a number of posts demanded that LAS apologise, in one you claimed they had not because they are above the law

In turn I asked what they are supposed to apologise for

This is not trolling, but surely a reasonable question
Troll
[quote][p][bold]Marty1979[/bold] wrote: Chelyabinsk You have in a number of posts demanded that LAS apologise, in one you claimed they had not because they are above the law In turn I asked what they are supposed to apologise for This is not trolling, but surely a reasonable question[/p][/quote]Troll Chelyabinsk
  • Score: 3

8:32pm Mon 31 Mar 14

Chelyabinsk says...

Gypo.Joe wrote:
Chelyabinsk wrote:
Gypo.Joe wrote:
Chelyabinsk and your point is ?

Please please in just a few words.
Gypo.Joe

And your point is?
My point is you've posted so much BS I was hoping you could précis it all down to a line or maybe two at most.

You seem to have a massive issue with the LAS, was it a paramedic laughed when you called about an erection that lasted longer than four hours after one of your erectile dysfunction tablets ? Or is it just a case of anal retentiveness ?

The later me thinks.
Troll with sexual hang-ups.

Call an ambulance !
[quote][p][bold]Gypo.Joe[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Chelyabinsk[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Gypo.Joe[/bold] wrote: Chelyabinsk and your point is ? Please please in just a few words.[/p][/quote]Gypo.Joe And your point is?[/p][/quote]My point is you've posted so much BS I was hoping you could précis it all down to a line or maybe two at most. You seem to have a massive issue with the LAS, was it a paramedic laughed when you called about an erection that lasted longer than four hours after one of your erectile dysfunction tablets ? Or is it just a case of anal retentiveness ? The later me thinks.[/p][/quote]Troll with sexual hang-ups. Call an ambulance ! Chelyabinsk
  • Score: 3

8:40pm Mon 31 Mar 14

Oldchap says...

Gypo.Joe wrote:
Chelyabinsk and your point is ?

Please please in just a few words.
Wow! Can't remember the last time (if ever) that Gypo Joe actually had a thumbs up

Probably due to the rubbish Chelyabinsk keeps posting
[quote][p][bold]Gypo.Joe[/bold] wrote: Chelyabinsk and your point is ? Please please in just a few words.[/p][/quote]Wow! Can't remember the last time (if ever) that Gypo Joe actually had a thumbs up Probably due to the rubbish Chelyabinsk keeps posting Oldchap
  • Score: 6

8:42pm Mon 31 Mar 14

Chelyabinsk says...

Conservative London Assembly Member
calls for cameras on ambulance staff and vehicles.

Exactly what Chelyabinsk has suggested.
Conservative London Assembly Member calls for cameras on ambulance staff and vehicles. Exactly what Chelyabinsk has suggested. Chelyabinsk
  • Score: 1

9:34pm Mon 31 Mar 14

Gypo.Joe says...

Chelyabinsk wrote:
Gypo.Joe wrote:
Chelyabinsk wrote:
Gypo.Joe wrote:
Chelyabinsk and your point is ?

Please please in just a few words.
Gypo.Joe

And your point is?
My point is you've posted so much BS I was hoping you could précis it all down to a line or maybe two at most.

You seem to have a massive issue with the LAS, was it a paramedic laughed when you called about an erection that lasted longer than four hours after one of your erectile dysfunction tablets ? Or is it just a case of anal retentiveness ?

The later me thinks.
Troll with sexual hang-ups.

Call an ambulance !
https://www.youtube.
com/watch?v=x_3zNyXV
LZo



Was this you Chelyabinsk ?


If so call an ambulance boi !
[quote][p][bold]Chelyabinsk[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Gypo.Joe[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Chelyabinsk[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Gypo.Joe[/bold] wrote: Chelyabinsk and your point is ? Please please in just a few words.[/p][/quote]Gypo.Joe And your point is?[/p][/quote]My point is you've posted so much BS I was hoping you could précis it all down to a line or maybe two at most. You seem to have a massive issue with the LAS, was it a paramedic laughed when you called about an erection that lasted longer than four hours after one of your erectile dysfunction tablets ? Or is it just a case of anal retentiveness ? The later me thinks.[/p][/quote]Troll with sexual hang-ups. Call an ambulance ![/p][/quote]https://www.youtube. com/watch?v=x_3zNyXV LZo Was this you Chelyabinsk ? If so call an ambulance boi ! Gypo.Joe
  • Score: -12

9:46pm Mon 31 Mar 14

Chelyabinsk says...

Blimey, another near miss with one of the LAS finest.

Monday 31st, 12.30pm Widmore Rd, junction East/West St standing at traffic lights for green man to walk across. A screaming LAS ambulance in full cry driving on the wrong side of the road sped by.
Blimey, another near miss with one of the LAS finest. Monday 31st, 12.30pm Widmore Rd, junction East/West St standing at traffic lights for green man to walk across. A screaming LAS ambulance in full cry driving on the wrong side of the road sped by. Chelyabinsk
  • Score: 1

11:10pm Mon 31 Mar 14

palacefan99 says...

I all with the ambulance driver on this one, this might happen in Chelyabinsk, Russia but this is England where we like saving peoples lifes and so if that means taking more safe risks then so be it!!!!! I,m a bus driver and I see loads of times ambulances trying to dodge safely in and out of traffic and morons just trying to block them!!!! let the LAS have cameras and then when they cant get to a dying person on time, show the deceased family which car held them up!!!!
I all with the ambulance driver on this one, this might happen in Chelyabinsk, Russia but this is England where we like saving peoples lifes and so if that means taking more safe risks then so be it!!!!! I,m a bus driver and I see loads of times ambulances trying to dodge safely in and out of traffic and morons just trying to block them!!!! let the LAS have cameras and then when they cant get to a dying person on time, show the deceased family which car held them up!!!! palacefan99
  • Score: 6

11:21pm Mon 31 Mar 14

Chelyabinsk says...

Blimey, lets hope bus drivers don't get blues and twos.
Then we really will be in trouble.

.
Blimey, lets hope bus drivers don't get blues and twos. Then we really will be in trouble. . Chelyabinsk
  • Score: 1

11:22pm Mon 31 Mar 14

Chelyabinsk says...

palacefan99 wrote:
I all with the ambulance driver on this one, this might happen in Chelyabinsk, Russia but this is England where we like saving peoples lifes and so if that means taking more safe risks then so be it!!!!! I,m a bus driver and I see loads of times ambulances trying to dodge safely in and out of traffic and morons just trying to block them!!!! let the LAS have cameras and then when they cant get to a dying person on time, show the deceased family which car held them up!!!!
What's Russia got to do with it?
[quote][p][bold]palacefan99[/bold] wrote: I all with the ambulance driver on this one, this might happen in Chelyabinsk, Russia but this is England where we like saving peoples lifes and so if that means taking more safe risks then so be it!!!!! I,m a bus driver and I see loads of times ambulances trying to dodge safely in and out of traffic and morons just trying to block them!!!! let the LAS have cameras and then when they cant get to a dying person on time, show the deceased family which car held them up!!!![/p][/quote]What's Russia got to do with it? Chelyabinsk
  • Score: 4

11:27pm Mon 31 Mar 14

ADDIKS181 says...

Chelyabinsk wrote:
Blimey, another near miss with one of the LAS finest.

Monday 31st, 12.30pm Widmore Rd, junction East/West St standing at traffic lights for green man to walk across. A screaming LAS ambulance in full cry driving on the wrong side of the road sped by.
You really are a tiresome individual. Be careful who you upset though, as statistically in London you are far more likely to be hit by a bus than an emergency vehicle.
[quote][p][bold]Chelyabinsk[/bold] wrote: Blimey, another near miss with one of the LAS finest. Monday 31st, 12.30pm Widmore Rd, junction East/West St standing at traffic lights for green man to walk across. A screaming LAS ambulance in full cry driving on the wrong side of the road sped by.[/p][/quote]You really are a tiresome individual. Be careful who you upset though, as statistically in London you are far more likely to be hit by a bus than an emergency vehicle. ADDIKS181
  • Score: 7

12:46am Tue 1 Apr 14

Bambi* says...

Chelyabinsk wrote:
Forced into the gutter once again by a screaming LAS vehicle on the blues and twos. This time on at 2.58pm on a quiet Mother's Day afternoon across Chislehurst Common.

In the direction the LAS vehicle was going (towards Queen Mary's, Sidcup) there is no A&E Department.
You are priceless! What has the comment no A&E department got to do with anything? Ah got it! With that inane comment you must be judging that the ambulance crew have limited intelligence like your own by suggesting that they didn't know that QMH A&E department had closed.
[quote][p][bold]Chelyabinsk[/bold] wrote: Forced into the gutter once again by a screaming LAS vehicle on the blues and twos. This time on at 2.58pm on a quiet Mother's Day afternoon across Chislehurst Common. In the direction the LAS vehicle was going (towards Queen Mary's, Sidcup) there is no A&E Department.[/p][/quote]You are priceless! What has the comment no A&E department got to do with anything? Ah got it! With that inane comment you must be judging that the ambulance crew have limited intelligence like your own by suggesting that they didn't know that QMH A&E department had closed. Bambi*
  • Score: 7

12:53am Tue 1 Apr 14

Bambi* says...

Chelyabinsk wrote:
palacefan99 wrote:
I all with the ambulance driver on this one, this might happen in Chelyabinsk, Russia but this is England where we like saving peoples lifes and so if that means taking more safe risks then so be it!!!!! I,m a bus driver and I see loads of times ambulances trying to dodge safely in and out of traffic and morons just trying to block them!!!! let the LAS have cameras and then when they cant get to a dying person on time, show the deceased family which car held them up!!!!
What's Russia got to do with it?
Not the sharpest knife in the draw are they palacefan99.
[quote][p][bold]Chelyabinsk[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]palacefan99[/bold] wrote: I all with the ambulance driver on this one, this might happen in Chelyabinsk, Russia but this is England where we like saving peoples lifes and so if that means taking more safe risks then so be it!!!!! I,m a bus driver and I see loads of times ambulances trying to dodge safely in and out of traffic and morons just trying to block them!!!! let the LAS have cameras and then when they cant get to a dying person on time, show the deceased family which car held them up!!!![/p][/quote]What's Russia got to do with it?[/p][/quote]Not the sharpest knife in the draw are they palacefan99. Bambi*
  • Score: 2

1:00am Tue 1 Apr 14

Bambi* says...

Chelyabinsk wrote:
Marty1979 wrote:
Chelyabinsk

You have in a number of posts demanded that LAS apologise, in one you claimed they had not because they are above the law

In turn I asked what they are supposed to apologise for

This is not trolling, but surely a reasonable question
Troll
Marty1979 such an appropriate question. Seems Bleaky chins does not have a clue, so retorts with the usual troll comment.

So Bleaky chins what do you think they should apologise for? Come on you have been braying on and on about this, please do tell.
[quote][p][bold]Chelyabinsk[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Marty1979[/bold] wrote: Chelyabinsk You have in a number of posts demanded that LAS apologise, in one you claimed they had not because they are above the law In turn I asked what they are supposed to apologise for This is not trolling, but surely a reasonable question[/p][/quote]Troll[/p][/quote]Marty1979 such an appropriate question. Seems Bleaky chins does not have a clue, so retorts with the usual troll comment. So Bleaky chins what do you think they should apologise for? Come on you have been braying on and on about this, please do tell. Bambi*
  • Score: 6

7:27am Tue 1 Apr 14

reasonable75 says...

Chelyabinsk wrote:
Blimey, another near miss with one of the LAS finest.

Monday 31st, 12.30pm Widmore Rd, junction East/West St standing at traffic lights for green man to walk across. A screaming LAS ambulance in full cry driving on the wrong side of the road sped by.
So how do you define a near miss? The purpose of blue lights and siren is to warn people of the approach of the ambulance, presumably people (including yourself) waited for it to go past

Whether or not it was fitted with a camera, would you suggest it stopped and waited patiently for you to cross the road - someone suffering a heart attack won't mind if it takes a bit longer

And what speed do you believe it was travelling?
[quote][p][bold]Chelyabinsk[/bold] wrote: Blimey, another near miss with one of the LAS finest. Monday 31st, 12.30pm Widmore Rd, junction East/West St standing at traffic lights for green man to walk across. A screaming LAS ambulance in full cry driving on the wrong side of the road sped by.[/p][/quote]So how do you define a near miss? The purpose of blue lights and siren is to warn people of the approach of the ambulance, presumably people (including yourself) waited for it to go past Whether or not it was fitted with a camera, would you suggest it stopped and waited patiently for you to cross the road - someone suffering a heart attack won't mind if it takes a bit longer And what speed do you believe it was travelling? reasonable75
  • Score: 6

8:35am Tue 1 Apr 14

JoeBlobbs says...

Why do I have a feeling that chelyabinsk may have been an attention seeking Rothschilds hating rabbit in a previous life
Why do I have a feeling that chelyabinsk may have been an attention seeking Rothschilds hating rabbit in a previous life JoeBlobbs
  • Score: -16

10:13am Tue 1 Apr 14

franksutton says...

Chelyabinsk wrote:
Blimey, another near miss with one of the LAS finest. Monday 31st, 12.30pm Widmore Rd, junction East/West St standing at traffic lights for green man to walk across. A screaming LAS ambulance in full cry driving on the wrong side of the road sped by.
You are demanding cameras be fitted in ambulances - well Bromley town centre has CCTV so the incident you describe would have been filmed.

Perhaps it will show you waiting to cross the road? You might be able to see how fast the ambulance was going, and I doubt it was breaking the speed limit
[quote][p][bold]Chelyabinsk[/bold] wrote: Blimey, another near miss with one of the LAS finest. Monday 31st, 12.30pm Widmore Rd, junction East/West St standing at traffic lights for green man to walk across. A screaming LAS ambulance in full cry driving on the wrong side of the road sped by.[/p][/quote]You are demanding cameras be fitted in ambulances - well Bromley town centre has CCTV so the incident you describe would have been filmed. Perhaps it will show you waiting to cross the road? You might be able to see how fast the ambulance was going, and I doubt it was breaking the speed limit franksutton
  • Score: 6

12:23pm Tue 1 Apr 14

the wall says...

Anyone remember Inspirationalady28 and this new story
http://www.newsshopp
er.co.uk/news/101440
34.Teen_killed_in_po
lice_chase_crash_nea
r_New_Cross/
Anyone remember Inspirationalady28 and this new story http://www.newsshopp er.co.uk/news/101440 34.Teen_killed_in_po lice_chase_crash_nea r_New_Cross/ the wall
  • Score: -11

12:42pm Tue 1 Apr 14

Downhamlad says...

Perhaps Inspirationalady28 and Chelyabinsk are related?

They don't want emergency vehicles to exceed speed limits, or drive with blue lights & sirens.

So a criminal will know all they have to do to escape is drive fast, the police won't chase them

Ambulances must wait in traffic patiently - doesn't matter if someone dies, as they MUST NOT try to get there quickly.

If a house is on fire & children trapped. The fire engine will get there eventually

If Chelyabinsk just considered what he/she is suggesting perhaps they might see how idiotic it is
Perhaps Inspirationalady28 and Chelyabinsk are related? They don't want emergency vehicles to exceed speed limits, or drive with blue lights & sirens. So a criminal will know all they have to do to escape is drive fast, the police won't chase them Ambulances must wait in traffic patiently - doesn't matter if someone dies, as they MUST NOT try to get there quickly. If a house is on fire & children trapped. The fire engine will get there eventually If Chelyabinsk just considered what he/she is suggesting perhaps they might see how idiotic it is Downhamlad
  • Score: 7

2:33pm Tue 1 Apr 14

reasonable75 says...

Chelyabinsk is acting like a petulant child - incapable of a reasoned reply, whenever his/her "facts" are proved incorrect simply replies troll

And still no explanation what LAS need to apologise for
Chelyabinsk is acting like a petulant child - incapable of a reasoned reply, whenever his/her "facts" are proved incorrect simply replies troll And still no explanation what LAS need to apologise for reasonable75
  • Score: 6

4:49pm Tue 1 Apr 14

Chelyabinsk says...

Dashboard cams and body cams are the way to go
for the health and safety, liability and accountability of public service workers and the public they serve. And as evidence that they are driving safely with due regard to the safety of pedestrians, cyclists, motorists and the patients they are taking to hospital.

Often ambulances career down the road at high speed
only for their patients to be left hanging about in hospital A&E departments for hours, which defeats the purpose of the exercise.
Dashboard cams and body cams are the way to go for the health and safety, liability and accountability of public service workers and the public they serve. And as evidence that they are driving safely with due regard to the safety of pedestrians, cyclists, motorists and the patients they are taking to hospital. Often ambulances career down the road at high speed only for their patients to be left hanging about in hospital A&E departments for hours, which defeats the purpose of the exercise. Chelyabinsk
  • Score: 3

5:22pm Tue 1 Apr 14

reasonable75 says...

So what speed was the one you spotted in Bromley doing?
So what speed was the one you spotted in Bromley doing? reasonable75
  • Score: 5

5:32pm Tue 1 Apr 14

Chelyabinsk says...

So why do LAS drivers put on the blues and twos
and drive on the wrong side of the road just to jump the lights
only to dump patients in A&E who wait for hours for a doctor?

Does this make sense?
So why do LAS drivers put on the blues and twos and drive on the wrong side of the road just to jump the lights only to dump patients in A&E who wait for hours for a doctor? Does this make sense? Chelyabinsk
  • Score: 5

5:35pm Tue 1 Apr 14

Chelyabinsk says...

reasonable75 wrote:
So what speed was the one you spotted in Bromley doing?
You tell me mate.
Were you on board?

A dashboard cam would make all the difference.
Just like a transponder on MH370 that couldn't be turned off.
[quote][p][bold]reasonable75[/bold] wrote: So what speed was the one you spotted in Bromley doing?[/p][/quote]You tell me mate. Were you on board? A dashboard cam would make all the difference. Just like a transponder on MH370 that couldn't be turned off. Chelyabinsk
  • Score: 6

5:48pm Tue 1 Apr 14

reasonable75 says...

Chelyabinsk wrote:
reasonable75 wrote:
So what speed was the one you spotted in Bromley doing?
You tell me mate.
Were you on board?

A dashboard cam would make all the difference.
Just like a transponder on MH370 that couldn't be turned off.
I wasn't there, you were - and you keep commenting about "high speed"

As you're an expert on damage, and identifying helicopters as air ambulance surely you can tell us how fast the one in Bromley was going as it "sped past"
[quote][p][bold]Chelyabinsk[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]reasonable75[/bold] wrote: So what speed was the one you spotted in Bromley doing?[/p][/quote]You tell me mate. Were you on board? A dashboard cam would make all the difference. Just like a transponder on MH370 that couldn't be turned off.[/p][/quote]I wasn't there, you were - and you keep commenting about "high speed" As you're an expert on damage, and identifying helicopters as air ambulance surely you can tell us how fast the one in Bromley was going as it "sped past" reasonable75
  • Score: 7

6:09pm Tue 1 Apr 14

Chelyabinsk says...

Ambulance drivers dash about
only to dump patients in A&E to wait for hours.

Does this make sense?
Ambulance drivers dash about only to dump patients in A&E to wait for hours. Does this make sense? Chelyabinsk
  • Score: 2

6:29pm Tue 1 Apr 14

reasonable75 says...

To make it simpler - what speed to you consider dashing?

It was your comment that an ambulance "sped" past you, so you must have considered it was speeding. How fast do you estimate it was going?

And I notice you still haven't said what you want LAS to apologise for
To make it simpler - what speed to you consider dashing? It was your comment that an ambulance "sped" past you, so you must have considered it was speeding. How fast do you estimate it was going? And I notice you still haven't said what you want LAS to apologise for reasonable75
  • Score: 7

7:05pm Tue 1 Apr 14

Marty1979 says...

Chelyabinsk wrote:
Ambulance drivers dash about
only to dump patients in A&E to wait for hours.

Does this make sense?
Whilst some people may have to wait in A&E, there are usually those who have called an ambulance for a comparatively trivial condition (minor cut, headache, being drunk etc) . All would be triaged on arrival & then dealt with depending on medical priority - a heart attack would be dealt with immediately

But until the ambulance crew have seen the patient and assessed they have to assume it is a serious incident and need to get there as a matter of urgency

Bear in mind there are government targets for ambulance response times


And why will you not say what you want LAS to apologise for?
[quote][p][bold]Chelyabinsk[/bold] wrote: Ambulance drivers dash about only to dump patients in A&E to wait for hours. Does this make sense?[/p][/quote]Whilst some people may have to wait in A&E, there are usually those who have called an ambulance for a comparatively trivial condition (minor cut, headache, being drunk etc) . All would be triaged on arrival & then dealt with depending on medical priority - a heart attack would be dealt with immediately But until the ambulance crew have seen the patient and assessed they have to assume it is a serious incident and need to get there as a matter of urgency Bear in mind there are government targets for ambulance response times And why will you not say what you want LAS to apologise for? Marty1979
  • Score: 7

7:57pm Tue 1 Apr 14

Chelyabinsk says...

Marty1979 wrote:
Chelyabinsk wrote:
Ambulance drivers dash about
only to dump patients in A&E to wait for hours.

Does this make sense?
Whilst some people may have to wait in A&E, there are usually those who have called an ambulance for a comparatively trivial condition (minor cut, headache, being drunk etc) . All would be triaged on arrival & then dealt with depending on medical priority - a heart attack would be dealt with immediately

But until the ambulance crew have seen the patient and assessed they have to assume it is a serious incident and need to get there as a matter of urgency

Bear in mind there are government targets for ambulance response times


And why will you not say what you want LAS to apologise for?
Marty,

Your reply is a load of eyewash, mate.
Everyone knows about the gut wrenching waiting times in A & E departments despite ambulances dashing about usually to avoid traffic lights, queues and busy road junctions.

C'mon, it's time the LAS fessed up.
[quote][p][bold]Marty1979[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Chelyabinsk[/bold] wrote: Ambulance drivers dash about only to dump patients in A&E to wait for hours. Does this make sense?[/p][/quote]Whilst some people may have to wait in A&E, there are usually those who have called an ambulance for a comparatively trivial condition (minor cut, headache, being drunk etc) . All would be triaged on arrival & then dealt with depending on medical priority - a heart attack would be dealt with immediately But until the ambulance crew have seen the patient and assessed they have to assume it is a serious incident and need to get there as a matter of urgency Bear in mind there are government targets for ambulance response times And why will you not say what you want LAS to apologise for?[/p][/quote]Marty, Your reply is a load of eyewash, mate. Everyone knows about the gut wrenching waiting times in A & E departments despite ambulances dashing about usually to avoid traffic lights, queues and busy road junctions. C'mon, it's time the LAS fessed up. Chelyabinsk
  • Score: 2

8:16pm Tue 1 Apr 14

Gypo.Joe says...

Chelyabinsk I make it 6 days now you have had a raging hard on over the LAS.

Give it a rest FFS.
Chelyabinsk I make it 6 days now you have had a raging hard on over the LAS. Give it a rest FFS. Gypo.Joe
  • Score: -11

8:21pm Tue 1 Apr 14

Bambi* says...

Chelyabinsk wrote:
Fit Ambulances with dashboard cameras
and don't feed the trolls.
Hey Bleaky chins was this you caught on camera? Sure you want LAS dashboard cameras if you can't adequately and promptly move out of the way by the sound of your own posts?

http://www.youtube.c
om/watch?v=u-lVgWfe6
WM

Sorry Bleaky couldn't resist feeding you!
[quote][p][bold]Chelyabinsk[/bold] wrote: Fit Ambulances with dashboard cameras and don't feed the trolls.[/p][/quote]Hey Bleaky chins was this you caught on camera? Sure you want LAS dashboard cameras if you can't adequately and promptly move out of the way by the sound of your own posts? http://www.youtube.c om/watch?v=u-lVgWfe6 WM Sorry Bleaky couldn't resist feeding you! Bambi*
  • Score: 4

8:34pm Tue 1 Apr 14

Chelyabinsk says...

Dashboard & body cams.
Their time has come.

To protect ambulance staff and the drivers of all public service emergency vehicle, their passengers and other road users cameras need to be fitted immediately.

A Conservative London Assembly member has called for them.
The Police Service are trialling them in selected areas.
Even Mike the Bike, Bromley's demon recumbent cyclist has one.

Regardless of the luddite ad hominem comments posted by Neanderthals and Trolls dashboard and body cams are the future.
Dashboard & body cams. Their time has come. To protect ambulance staff and the drivers of all public service emergency vehicle, their passengers and other road users cameras need to be fitted immediately. A Conservative London Assembly member has called for them. The Police Service are trialling them in selected areas. Even Mike the Bike, Bromley's demon recumbent cyclist has one. Regardless of the luddite ad hominem comments posted by Neanderthals and Trolls dashboard and body cams are the future. Chelyabinsk
  • Score: 1

8:39pm Tue 1 Apr 14

Bambi* says...

Chelyabinsk wrote:
Dashboard & body cams.
Their time has come.

To protect ambulance staff and the drivers of all public service emergency vehicle, their passengers and other road users cameras need to be fitted immediately.

A Conservative London Assembly member has called for them.
The Police Service are trialling them in selected areas.
Even Mike the Bike, Bromley's demon recumbent cyclist has one.

Regardless of the luddite ad hominem comments posted by Neanderthals and Trolls dashboard and body cams are the future.
Careful there, people who live in glass houses and all that...
You are so full of sugared honeyed ice tea that when you do finally explode there will be a lot of cleaning of windows to be done.
[quote][p][bold]Chelyabinsk[/bold] wrote: Dashboard & body cams. Their time has come. To protect ambulance staff and the drivers of all public service emergency vehicle, their passengers and other road users cameras need to be fitted immediately. A Conservative London Assembly member has called for them. The Police Service are trialling them in selected areas. Even Mike the Bike, Bromley's demon recumbent cyclist has one. Regardless of the luddite ad hominem comments posted by Neanderthals and Trolls dashboard and body cams are the future.[/p][/quote]Careful there, people who live in glass houses and all that... You are so full of sugared honeyed ice tea that when you do finally explode there will be a lot of cleaning of windows to be done. Bambi*
  • Score: 4

8:40pm Tue 1 Apr 14

franksutton says...

Chelyabinsk wrote:
Marty1979 wrote:
Chelyabinsk wrote:
Ambulance drivers dash about
only to dump patients in A&E to wait for hours.

Does this make sense?
Whilst some people may have to wait in A&E, there are usually those who have called an ambulance for a comparatively trivial condition (minor cut, headache, being drunk etc) . All would be triaged on arrival & then dealt with depending on medical priority - a heart attack would be dealt with immediately

But until the ambulance crew have seen the patient and assessed they have to assume it is a serious incident and need to get there as a matter of urgency

Bear in mind there are government targets for ambulance response times


And why will you not say what you want LAS to apologise for?
Marty,

Your reply is a load of eyewash, mate.
Everyone knows about the gut wrenching waiting times in A & E departments despite ambulances dashing about usually to avoid traffic lights, queues and busy road junctions.

C'mon, it's time the LAS fessed up.
Come on Marty - can't you sort your mate out?

Obviously completely lost the plot about ambulances he/she has now started on about waiting times on A&E, but they usually have cameras so he/she can't demand them. Might want the nurses to wear cameras though
[quote][p][bold]Chelyabinsk[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Marty1979[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Chelyabinsk[/bold] wrote: Ambulance drivers dash about only to dump patients in A&E to wait for hours. Does this make sense?[/p][/quote]Whilst some people may have to wait in A&E, there are usually those who have called an ambulance for a comparatively trivial condition (minor cut, headache, being drunk etc) . All would be triaged on arrival & then dealt with depending on medical priority - a heart attack would be dealt with immediately But until the ambulance crew have seen the patient and assessed they have to assume it is a serious incident and need to get there as a matter of urgency Bear in mind there are government targets for ambulance response times And why will you not say what you want LAS to apologise for?[/p][/quote]Marty, Your reply is a load of eyewash, mate. Everyone knows about the gut wrenching waiting times in A & E departments despite ambulances dashing about usually to avoid traffic lights, queues and busy road junctions. C'mon, it's time the LAS fessed up.[/p][/quote]Come on Marty - can't you sort your mate out? Obviously completely lost the plot about ambulances he/she has now started on about waiting times on A&E, but they usually have cameras so he/she can't demand them. Might want the nurses to wear cameras though franksutton
  • Score: 6

8:55pm Tue 1 Apr 14

Chelyabinsk says...

Waiting times in A & E
make a complete mockery of all that dashing about the place by the
London Ambulance Service.

Nee Naw, Nee Naw, Nee Naw.
Waiting times in A & E make a complete mockery of all that dashing about the place by the London Ambulance Service. Nee Naw, Nee Naw, Nee Naw. Chelyabinsk
  • Score: 2

8:58pm Tue 1 Apr 14

Chelyabinsk says...

franksutton wrote:
Chelyabinsk wrote:
Marty1979 wrote:
Chelyabinsk wrote:
Ambulance drivers dash about
only to dump patients in A&E to wait for hours.

Does this make sense?
Whilst some people may have to wait in A&E, there are usually those who have called an ambulance for a comparatively trivial condition (minor cut, headache, being drunk etc) . All would be triaged on arrival & then dealt with depending on medical priority - a heart attack would be dealt with immediately

But until the ambulance crew have seen the patient and assessed they have to assume it is a serious incident and need to get there as a matter of urgency

Bear in mind there are government targets for ambulance response times


And why will you not say what you want LAS to apologise for?
Marty,

Your reply is a load of eyewash, mate.
Everyone knows about the gut wrenching waiting times in A & E departments despite ambulances dashing about usually to avoid traffic lights, queues and busy road junctions.

C'mon, it's time the LAS fessed up.
Come on Marty - can't you sort your mate out?

Obviously completely lost the plot about ambulances he/she has now started on about waiting times on A&E, but they usually have cameras so he/she can't demand them. Might want the nurses to wear cameras though
Marty,

Get a grip mate.

Are you saying there are no horrendous waits in A & E - if you can find one?
[quote][p][bold]franksutton[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Chelyabinsk[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Marty1979[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Chelyabinsk[/bold] wrote: Ambulance drivers dash about only to dump patients in A&E to wait for hours. Does this make sense?[/p][/quote]Whilst some people may have to wait in A&E, there are usually those who have called an ambulance for a comparatively trivial condition (minor cut, headache, being drunk etc) . All would be triaged on arrival & then dealt with depending on medical priority - a heart attack would be dealt with immediately But until the ambulance crew have seen the patient and assessed they have to assume it is a serious incident and need to get there as a matter of urgency Bear in mind there are government targets for ambulance response times And why will you not say what you want LAS to apologise for?[/p][/quote]Marty, Your reply is a load of eyewash, mate. Everyone knows about the gut wrenching waiting times in A & E departments despite ambulances dashing about usually to avoid traffic lights, queues and busy road junctions. C'mon, it's time the LAS fessed up.[/p][/quote]Come on Marty - can't you sort your mate out? Obviously completely lost the plot about ambulances he/she has now started on about waiting times on A&E, but they usually have cameras so he/she can't demand them. Might want the nurses to wear cameras though[/p][/quote]Marty, Get a grip mate. Are you saying there are no horrendous waits in A & E - if you can find one? Chelyabinsk
  • Score: 3

8:58pm Tue 1 Apr 14

Bambi* says...

Hey Bleaky I have just seen just how traumatic it is for you to avoid those LAS vehicles in another story on this site. Has your care dried out yet?

http://www.newsshopp
er.co.uk/news/111172
14.PICTURED__Man_dri
ves_into_Chislehurst
_pond/?action=succes
s#comments
Hey Bleaky I have just seen just how traumatic it is for you to avoid those LAS vehicles in another story on this site. Has your care dried out yet? http://www.newsshopp er.co.uk/news/111172 14.PICTURED__Man_dri ves_into_Chislehurst _pond/?action=succes s#comments Bambi*
  • Score: 5

9:00pm Tue 1 Apr 14

Chelyabinsk says...

Bambi* wrote:
Chelyabinsk wrote:
Dashboard & body cams.
Their time has come.

To protect ambulance staff and the drivers of all public service emergency vehicle, their passengers and other road users cameras need to be fitted immediately.

A Conservative London Assembly member has called for them.
The Police Service are trialling them in selected areas.
Even Mike the Bike, Bromley's demon recumbent cyclist has one.

Regardless of the luddite ad hominem comments posted by Neanderthals and Trolls dashboard and body cams are the future.
Careful there, people who live in glass houses and all that...
You are so full of sugared honeyed ice tea that when you do finally explode there will be a lot of cleaning of windows to be done.
Quick, call an ambulance.
This guy's lost it.
[quote][p][bold]Bambi*[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Chelyabinsk[/bold] wrote: Dashboard & body cams. Their time has come. To protect ambulance staff and the drivers of all public service emergency vehicle, their passengers and other road users cameras need to be fitted immediately. A Conservative London Assembly member has called for them. The Police Service are trialling them in selected areas. Even Mike the Bike, Bromley's demon recumbent cyclist has one. Regardless of the luddite ad hominem comments posted by Neanderthals and Trolls dashboard and body cams are the future.[/p][/quote]Careful there, people who live in glass houses and all that... You are so full of sugared honeyed ice tea that when you do finally explode there will be a lot of cleaning of windows to be done.[/p][/quote]Quick, call an ambulance. This guy's lost it. Chelyabinsk
  • Score: 4

9:19pm Tue 1 Apr 14

Virtual-Monster says...

Emergency responders have an incredibly difficult job to do just getting to the site of an emergency and I think that screaming sirens and blue lights means one simple thing: 'Get the hell out of the way because we might just be rushing to help one of your friends or family'.

Sadly there are far too many drivers (and commentators) out there who are so unaware of their surroundings and ignorant of the needs of others that they don't give way or take into account emergency vehicles.

All drivers need to be aware of what is happening around them and spend less time being wrapped up in their own bubble of selfishness.

I'm pretty sure that the first people to complain about the time it takes for an emergency responder to attend to an incident involving them, are the same imbeciles complaining about emergency responders on here now.
Emergency responders have an incredibly difficult job to do just getting to the site of an emergency and I think that screaming sirens and blue lights means one simple thing: 'Get the hell out of the way because we might just be rushing to help one of your friends or family'. Sadly there are far too many drivers (and commentators) out there who are so unaware of their surroundings and ignorant of the needs of others that they don't give way or take into account emergency vehicles. All drivers need to be aware of what is happening around them and spend less time being wrapped up in their own bubble of selfishness. I'm pretty sure that the first people to complain about the time it takes for an emergency responder to attend to an incident involving them, are the same imbeciles complaining about emergency responders on here now. Virtual-Monster
  • Score: 6

10:04pm Tue 1 Apr 14

sarfflondonbird says...

Bleaky chins.......can I call you that? I have to admit I have not had a good laugh on here for ages, but ffs ..... why cant you answer the question everybody is literally! Dying on here to know.......what have LAS got to apologise for?
You would make a bloody good politician, managing to evade the questions and spouting a hell of a lot of methane. Keep it up, tis very entertaining. For once I ain't getting stick.
Bleaky chins.......can I call you that? I have to admit I have not had a good laugh on here for ages, but ffs ..... why cant you answer the question everybody is literally! Dying on here to know.......what have LAS got to apologise for? You would make a bloody good politician, managing to evade the questions and spouting a hell of a lot of methane. Keep it up, tis very entertaining. For once I ain't getting stick. sarfflondonbird
  • Score: 11

10:22pm Tue 1 Apr 14

Bambi* says...

Chelyabinsk wrote:
Waiting times in A & E
make a complete mockery of all that dashing about the place by the
London Ambulance Service.

Nee Naw, Nee Naw, Nee Naw.
I have noticed if you cannot win at a comment and all the fair and reasonable comments on here you resort to calling people trolls or "Quick call and ambulance." Rather weak Bleaky!

You originally complain about the commotion caused by the accident. You report to us all that an air ambulance attended the scene when it did not. You then twist other posters comments by saying that you are paraphrasing them you say: "To paraphrase your words - "keep idiots" from behind the wheel of LAS ambulances." This poster was on about idiots on the roads who cause problems for emergency vehicles.

Then there is the constant begging for an apology from the LAS, well again we all want to know what the apology is for.

It appears in your silly little mind that you have orchestrated, and succeeded in the LAS vehicles to have dash cams.

Again after this we are all still asking you why you need an apology, well come on Bleaky give us the answer.

After the constant dash cam demands and knew that this will possibly be put into operation you then bemoan the waiting times in A&E.

As for the last paragraph of the above quote, well really as I have said before you are priceless or in serious need of an ambulance escort by the boys in blue!
[quote][p][bold]Chelyabinsk[/bold] wrote: Waiting times in A & E make a complete mockery of all that dashing about the place by the London Ambulance Service. Nee Naw, Nee Naw, Nee Naw.[/p][/quote]I have noticed if you cannot win at a comment and all the fair and reasonable comments on here you resort to calling people trolls or "Quick call and ambulance." Rather weak Bleaky! You originally complain about the commotion caused by the accident. You report to us all that an air ambulance attended the scene when it did not. You then twist other posters comments by saying that you are paraphrasing them you say: "To paraphrase your words - "keep idiots" from behind the wheel of LAS ambulances." This poster was on about idiots on the roads who cause problems for emergency vehicles. Then there is the constant begging for an apology from the LAS, well again we all want to know what the apology is for. It appears in your silly little mind that you have orchestrated, and succeeded in the LAS vehicles to have dash cams. Again after this we are all still asking you why you need an apology, well come on Bleaky give us the answer. After the constant dash cam demands and knew that this will possibly be put into operation you then bemoan the waiting times in A&E. As for the last paragraph of the above quote, well really as I have said before you are priceless or in serious need of an ambulance escort by the boys in blue! Bambi*
  • Score: 5

10:25pm Tue 1 Apr 14

Bambi* says...

sarfflondonbird wrote:
Bleaky chins.......can I call you that? I have to admit I have not had a good laugh on here for ages, but ffs ..... why cant you answer the question everybody is literally! Dying on here to know.......what have LAS got to apologise for?
You would make a bloody good politician, managing to evade the questions and spouting a hell of a lot of methane. Keep it up, tis very entertaining. For once I ain't getting stick.
I will have to say here here to this sarfflondonbird as although you will have a thumbs up from me, the + and - comment scores seem to be a bit strange and all in Bleaky's favour.
[quote][p][bold]sarfflondonbird[/bold] wrote: Bleaky chins.......can I call you that? I have to admit I have not had a good laugh on here for ages, but ffs ..... why cant you answer the question everybody is literally! Dying on here to know.......what have LAS got to apologise for? You would make a bloody good politician, managing to evade the questions and spouting a hell of a lot of methane. Keep it up, tis very entertaining. For once I ain't getting stick.[/p][/quote]I will have to say here here to this sarfflondonbird as although you will have a thumbs up from me, the + and - comment scores seem to be a bit strange and all in Bleaky's favour. Bambi*
  • Score: 6

12:03am Wed 2 Apr 14

ADDIKS181 says...

Chelyabinsk wrote:
Ambulance drivers dash about
only to dump patients in A&E to wait for hours.

Does this make sense?
And still you Whitter on... They stopped being "Ambulance drivers" in the 80's. The drivers are highly trained and able to deliver life saving treatment themselves which is how the patients are able to arrive at the ED alive and able to wait for a bit to be seen. As for waiting times, if you arrive at an ED with a life threatening or life changing condition you will be seen quite quickly. If you rock up because you have a broken nail you may well have to wait a while. I can't think for a minute that you might be 1 such attention seeking time waster.
[quote][p][bold]Chelyabinsk[/bold] wrote: Ambulance drivers dash about only to dump patients in A&E to wait for hours. Does this make sense?[/p][/quote]And still you Whitter on... They stopped being "Ambulance drivers" in the 80's. The drivers are highly trained and able to deliver life saving treatment themselves which is how the patients are able to arrive at the ED alive and able to wait for a bit to be seen. As for waiting times, if you arrive at an ED with a life threatening or life changing condition you will be seen quite quickly. If you rock up because you have a broken nail you may well have to wait a while. I can't think for a minute that you might be 1 such attention seeking time waster. ADDIKS181
  • Score: 6

7:42am Wed 2 Apr 14

Oldchap says...

Bambi* wrote:
sarfflondonbird wrote:
Bleaky chins.......can I call you that? I have to admit I have not had a good laugh on here for ages, but ffs ..... why cant you answer the question everybody is literally! Dying on here to know.......what have LAS got to apologise for?
You would make a bloody good politician, managing to evade the questions and spouting a hell of a lot of methane. Keep it up, tis very entertaining. For once I ain't getting stick.
I will have to say here here to this sarfflondonbird as although you will have a thumbs up from me, the + and - comment scores seem to be a bit strange and all in Bleaky's favour.
I noticed the way thumbs up & down suddenly change - anything Chelyabinsk posts ends up with many thumbs up, anything pointing out flaws in his reasoning gets the thumbs down

Gypo Joe might be able to explain how people can manipulate the ratings

But another sign that Chelyabinsk needs professional help
[quote][p][bold]Bambi*[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sarfflondonbird[/bold] wrote: Bleaky chins.......can I call you that? I have to admit I have not had a good laugh on here for ages, but ffs ..... why cant you answer the question everybody is literally! Dying on here to know.......what have LAS got to apologise for? You would make a bloody good politician, managing to evade the questions and spouting a hell of a lot of methane. Keep it up, tis very entertaining. For once I ain't getting stick.[/p][/quote]I will have to say here here to this sarfflondonbird as although you will have a thumbs up from me, the + and - comment scores seem to be a bit strange and all in Bleaky's favour.[/p][/quote]I noticed the way thumbs up & down suddenly change - anything Chelyabinsk posts ends up with many thumbs up, anything pointing out flaws in his reasoning gets the thumbs down Gypo Joe might be able to explain how people can manipulate the ratings But another sign that Chelyabinsk needs professional help Oldchap
  • Score: 6

11:47am Wed 2 Apr 14

Gypo.Joe says...

"Gypo Joe might be able to explain how people can manipulate the ratings"


Nuffink to do with me. Like others I think some people delete cookies on their compooter then vote again, or they have multiple IDs and log in and out to vote. Contrary to what some may believe I have one ID on here.
"Gypo Joe might be able to explain how people can manipulate the ratings" Nuffink to do with me. Like others I think some people delete cookies on their compooter then vote again, or they have multiple IDs and log in and out to vote. Contrary to what some may believe I have one ID on here. Gypo.Joe
  • Score: -11

2:43pm Wed 2 Apr 14

Marty1979 says...

sarfflondonbird wrote:
Bleaky chins.......can I call you that? I have to admit I have not had a good laugh on here for ages, but ffs ..... why cant you answer the question everybody is literally! Dying on here to know.......what have LAS got to apologise for?
You would make a bloody good politician, managing to evade the questions and spouting a hell of a lot of methane. Keep it up, tis very entertaining. For once I ain't getting stick.
You might be right, perhaps Chelyabinsk is a politician - can never give a straight answer to a simple question, keeps trying to come up with more BS

Any anyone noticed that he/she never posts until late in the day?
[quote][p][bold]sarfflondonbird[/bold] wrote: Bleaky chins.......can I call you that? I have to admit I have not had a good laugh on here for ages, but ffs ..... why cant you answer the question everybody is literally! Dying on here to know.......what have LAS got to apologise for? You would make a bloody good politician, managing to evade the questions and spouting a hell of a lot of methane. Keep it up, tis very entertaining. For once I ain't getting stick.[/p][/quote]You might be right, perhaps Chelyabinsk is a politician - can never give a straight answer to a simple question, keeps trying to come up with more BS Any anyone noticed that he/she never posts until late in the day? Marty1979
  • Score: 5

2:51pm Wed 2 Apr 14

Marty1979 says...

Gypo.Joe wrote:
"Gypo Joe might be able to explain how people can manipulate the ratings"


Nuffink to do with me. Like others I think some people delete cookies on their compooter then vote again, or they have multiple IDs and log in and out to vote. Contrary to what some may believe I have one ID on here.
Delete cookies & vote again?

Have some people nothing better to do?

Get a life
[quote][p][bold]Gypo.Joe[/bold] wrote: "Gypo Joe might be able to explain how people can manipulate the ratings" Nuffink to do with me. Like others I think some people delete cookies on their compooter then vote again, or they have multiple IDs and log in and out to vote. Contrary to what some may believe I have one ID on here.[/p][/quote]Delete cookies & vote again? Have some people nothing better to do? Get a life Marty1979
  • Score: 6

3:45pm Wed 2 Apr 14

Gypo.Joe says...

Marty1979 wrote:
Gypo.Joe wrote:
"Gypo Joe might be able to explain how people can manipulate the ratings"


Nuffink to do with me. Like others I think some people delete cookies on their compooter then vote again, or they have multiple IDs and log in and out to vote. Contrary to what some may believe I have one ID on here.
Delete cookies & vote again?

Have some people nothing better to do?

Get a life
'Marty' if you mean me I have only EVER voted once and that was on another story when the negative votes got to -99. I gave myself a neg vote so as to hit the -100. BIG DEAL ha.

I DON'T play that silly game I leave it to other tiny minded morons.

Know what I mean boi.
[quote][p][bold]Marty1979[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Gypo.Joe[/bold] wrote: "Gypo Joe might be able to explain how people can manipulate the ratings" Nuffink to do with me. Like others I think some people delete cookies on their compooter then vote again, or they have multiple IDs and log in and out to vote. Contrary to what some may believe I have one ID on here.[/p][/quote]Delete cookies & vote again? Have some people nothing better to do? Get a life[/p][/quote]'Marty' if you mean me I have only EVER voted once and that was on another story when the negative votes got to -99. I gave myself a neg vote so as to hit the -100. BIG DEAL ha. I DON'T play that silly game I leave it to other tiny minded morons. Know what I mean boi. Gypo.Joe
  • Score: -10

3:45pm Wed 2 Apr 14

reasonable75 says...

But still no answer as to what LAS need to apologise for
But still no answer as to what LAS need to apologise for reasonable75
  • Score: 4

5:14pm Wed 2 Apr 14

Chelyabinsk says...

Quick call an ambulance.
Neandertrolls need urgent medical assistance
after crashing on NS website.

Nee naw, nee naw, nee naw.
Quick call an ambulance. Neandertrolls need urgent medical assistance after crashing on NS website. Nee naw, nee naw, nee naw. Chelyabinsk
  • Score: 6

5:22pm Wed 2 Apr 14

Chelyabinsk says...

reasonable75 wrote:
But still no answer as to what LAS need to apologise for
Ambulances take people to hospital.
They should not put people in hospital.
[quote][p][bold]reasonable75[/bold] wrote: But still no answer as to what LAS need to apologise for[/p][/quote]Ambulances take people to hospital. They should not put people in hospital. Chelyabinsk
  • Score: 5

5:33pm Wed 2 Apr 14

Bambi* says...

Chelyabinsk wrote:
reasonable75 wrote:
But still no answer as to what LAS need to apologise for
Ambulances take people to hospital.
They should not put people in hospital.
So are you saying in other words that you were or someone close to you involved in an accident with an ambulance and hospitalized?

Is that why you keep asking the LAS for an apology on here?

Did you then or your close one get to the hospital and not seen for a long time?

If not it is time to shut up as you have hijacked a serious story with your constant griping.
[quote][p][bold]Chelyabinsk[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]reasonable75[/bold] wrote: But still no answer as to what LAS need to apologise for[/p][/quote]Ambulances take people to hospital. They should not put people in hospital.[/p][/quote]So are you saying in other words that you were or someone close to you involved in an accident with an ambulance and hospitalized? Is that why you keep asking the LAS for an apology on here? Did you then or your close one get to the hospital and not seen for a long time? If not it is time to shut up as you have hijacked a serious story with your constant griping. Bambi*
  • Score: 3

5:50pm Wed 2 Apr 14

Marty1979 says...

Chelyabinsk wrote:
reasonable75 wrote:
But still no answer as to what LAS need to apologise for
Ambulances take people to hospital.
They should not put people in hospital.
But on this occasion someone put an ambulance person in hospital, if you bothered to read properly, a LAS car was driving towards Bromley (not an emergency call, so no siren or lights) when another car pulled out of a side turning and collided with it

So why should LAS apologise when they were the innocent victim?
[quote][p][bold]Chelyabinsk[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]reasonable75[/bold] wrote: But still no answer as to what LAS need to apologise for[/p][/quote]Ambulances take people to hospital. They should not put people in hospital.[/p][/quote]But on this occasion someone put an ambulance person in hospital, if you bothered to read properly, a LAS car was driving towards Bromley (not an emergency call, so no siren or lights) when another car pulled out of a side turning and collided with it So why should LAS apologise when they were the innocent victim? Marty1979
  • Score: 5

6:02pm Wed 2 Apr 14

Chelyabinsk says...

Marty

You are revealing information not in the public domain and not reported by the News Shopper.

How is it that you know this?

You portray the LAS driver as an innocent victim.
Where is your evidence for this?

Chelyabinsk
Marty You are revealing information not in the public domain and not reported by the News Shopper. How is it that you know this? You portray the LAS driver as an innocent victim. Where is your evidence for this? Chelyabinsk Chelyabinsk
  • Score: 2

6:09pm Wed 2 Apr 14

Chelyabinsk says...

Dashboard cameras are required to corroborate
the claim made on this blog that the LAS driver was an innocent victim
crashing into another motorist.

This is not what was reported in the News Shopper.
Dashboard cameras are required to corroborate the claim made on this blog that the LAS driver was an innocent victim crashing into another motorist. This is not what was reported in the News Shopper. Chelyabinsk
  • Score: 3

6:28pm Wed 2 Apr 14

Marty1979 says...

Chelyabinsk wrote:
Dashboard cameras are required to corroborate
the claim made on this blog that the LAS driver was an innocent victim
crashing into another motorist.

This is not what was reported in the News Shopper.
Read the report again

A woman has suffered life threatening injuries after a London Ambulance Service (LAS) vehicle and a car crashed in Bromley this afternoon.

Nowhere does it say the LAS vehicle was on an emergency call

You have assumed it was, the same as you assumed the helicopter (actually police) was the air ambulance

PS - reason for LAS apologising?
[quote][p][bold]Chelyabinsk[/bold] wrote: Dashboard cameras are required to corroborate the claim made on this blog that the LAS driver was an innocent victim crashing into another motorist. This is not what was reported in the News Shopper.[/p][/quote]Read the report again A woman has suffered life threatening injuries after a London Ambulance Service (LAS) vehicle and a car crashed in Bromley this afternoon. Nowhere does it say the LAS vehicle was on an emergency call You have assumed it was, the same as you assumed the helicopter (actually police) was the air ambulance PS - reason for LAS apologising? Marty1979
  • Score: 4

11:01pm Wed 2 Apr 14

ADDIKS181 says...

Chelyabinsk wrote:
Marty

You are revealing information not in the public domain and not reported by the News Shopper.

How is it that you know this?

You portray the LAS driver as an innocent victim.
Where is your evidence for this?

Chelyabinsk
EVIDENCE. What rather than ill informed opinion or reckless speculation! One should practice what one preaches
[quote][p][bold]Chelyabinsk[/bold] wrote: Marty You are revealing information not in the public domain and not reported by the News Shopper. How is it that you know this? You portray the LAS driver as an innocent victim. Where is your evidence for this? Chelyabinsk[/p][/quote]EVIDENCE. What rather than ill informed opinion or reckless speculation! One should practice what one preaches ADDIKS181
  • Score: 5

7:11am Thu 3 Apr 14

reasonable75 says...

ADDIKS181 wrote:
Chelyabinsk wrote:
Marty

You are revealing information not in the public domain and not reported by the News Shopper.

How is it that you know this?

You portray the LAS driver as an innocent victim.
Where is your evidence for this?

Chelyabinsk
EVIDENCE. What rather than ill informed opinion or reckless speculation! One should practice what one preaches
Chelyabinsk you talk about evidence, yet you continue to make assumptions based on nothing more than your opinion

You assumed the helicopter was the air ambulance

You assumed high speed involved

You assumed an ambulance was going to Queen Mary's

You assumed the vehicles are write offs

You assumed it was attending an emergency call


But there is no evidence, simply what your biased mind has made up
[quote][p][bold]ADDIKS181[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Chelyabinsk[/bold] wrote: Marty You are revealing information not in the public domain and not reported by the News Shopper. How is it that you know this? You portray the LAS driver as an innocent victim. Where is your evidence for this? Chelyabinsk[/p][/quote]EVIDENCE. What rather than ill informed opinion or reckless speculation! One should practice what one preaches[/p][/quote]Chelyabinsk you talk about evidence, yet you continue to make assumptions based on nothing more than your opinion You assumed the helicopter was the air ambulance You assumed high speed involved You assumed an ambulance was going to Queen Mary's You assumed the vehicles are write offs You assumed it was attending an emergency call But there is no evidence, simply what your biased mind has made up reasonable75
  • Score: 4

8:50pm Thu 3 Apr 14

Chelyabinsk says...

Let us hope all concerned are making a speedy recovery.

Chelyabinsk
Let us hope all concerned are making a speedy recovery. Chelyabinsk Chelyabinsk
  • Score: 6

12:30am Fri 4 Apr 14

Gypo.Joe says...

Chelyabinsk wrote:
Let us hope all concerned are making a speedy recovery.

Chelyabinsk
Yes Joe sends his regards and hopes your insanity is only temporary.

Left yaself signed in again Joe boi.
[quote][p][bold]Chelyabinsk[/bold] wrote: Let us hope all concerned are making a speedy recovery. Chelyabinsk[/p][/quote]Yes Joe sends his regards and hopes your insanity is only temporary. Left yaself signed in again Joe boi. Gypo.Joe
  • Score: -12

8:28pm Fri 4 Apr 14

Marty1979 says...

Chelyabinsk wrote:
Let us hope all concerned are making a speedy recovery.

Chelyabinsk
Perhaps Chelyabinsk has finally realised what a p**** he/she has been & finally made a proper comment

Must take ages doing what GJ said to change his/her comments to thumbs up and everyone else to thumbs down - on over 100 posts

But still can't explain what LAS need to apologise for
[quote][p][bold]Chelyabinsk[/bold] wrote: Let us hope all concerned are making a speedy recovery. Chelyabinsk[/p][/quote]Perhaps Chelyabinsk has finally realised what a p**** he/she has been & finally made a proper comment Must take ages doing what GJ said to change his/her comments to thumbs up and everyone else to thumbs down - on over 100 posts But still can't explain what LAS need to apologise for Marty1979
  • Score: 4

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