Residents of quiet West Wickham street find rubbish strewn outside their homes - again

Waste disposal - on a residential street

Waste disposal - on a residential street

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Residents of a quiet West Wickham street awoke to rubbish being scattered outside their homes in the early hours of Sunday morning.

Project manager David Ford, who lives on Copse Avenue, said just before 6am he heard a large vehicle dumping waste just outside his property.

He mentioned it is the fifth time this type of incident has happened in just 12 months and on this occasion bricks, baby seats and planks of wood were among the items left strewn across the tarmac.

The 64-year-old told News Shopper: “It was tipped right outside my house – what seems to be happening is in the early hours of the morning I think a tip-up truck is coming round.

“I can hear the noise but by the time I get up to have a look it’s gone. They (those responsible) leave rubbish dumped all along the road.

“It makes me angry they make such a mess – they keep getting away with it. It seems nothing can be done.”

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Mr Ford said it is a civil matter and has contacted Bromley Council on a number of occasions to try to resolve the situation.

He added after he and other residents got together to clean up the rubbish council workers came to collect the debris.

Now he is hoping CCTV footage can be accessed to catch the culprits and prevent future incidents. A council spokeswoman said she is looking into the situation and is going to provide a statement.

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4:35pm Tue 18 Mar 14

white rabbit9 says...

Blimey they used to find quiet roads and quiet cul de sacs, now they are getting lazy.
Blimey they used to find quiet roads and quiet cul de sacs, now they are getting lazy. white rabbit9
  • Score: 12

6:56pm Tue 18 Mar 14

Marty1979 says...

I thought fly tipping was a criminal matter?
I thought fly tipping was a criminal matter? Marty1979
  • Score: 5

8:28pm Tue 18 Mar 14

white rabbit9 says...

Marty1979 wrote:
I thought fly tipping was a criminal matter?
believe it or not, it is a civil matter. The police can't get involved as no one has been,

1 cause no harm
2 cause no loss by theft or destruction.

A road full of mess is not a police matter. Learn legal vs lawful

This comes down to who pays for the clear up, which means no one want's to pay for it. The only way is to take the person to civil court, who caused it, will that person turn up so the judge slaps him over the wrist?

The council will probably clear it up, no guarentee's as it isn't there mess.

It's all down to now, one thing, Who take's liability? And if no one take's liability........wel
l the person who clears it up will take liability?
[quote][p][bold]Marty1979[/bold] wrote: I thought fly tipping was a criminal matter?[/p][/quote]believe it or not, it is a civil matter. The police can't get involved as no one has been, 1 cause no harm 2 cause no loss by theft or destruction. A road full of mess is not a police matter. Learn legal vs lawful This comes down to who pays for the clear up, which means no one want's to pay for it. The only way is to take the person to civil court, who caused it, will that person turn up so the judge slaps him over the wrist? The council will probably clear it up, no guarentee's as it isn't there mess. It's all down to now, one thing, Who take's liability? And if no one take's liability........wel l the person who clears it up will take liability? white rabbit9
  • Score: 9

9:23am Wed 19 Mar 14

highway warrior says...

As per usual the tax payer bears the cost and the do as they likies get the cash in hand. Chances of the vehicle even being registered if they do get a registration is unlikely.
As per usual the tax payer bears the cost and the do as they likies get the cash in hand. Chances of the vehicle even being registered if they do get a registration is unlikely. highway warrior
  • Score: 3

11:11am Wed 19 Mar 14

Councillor Nicholas Bennett says...

As one of the ward members for West Wickham I visited the scene on Sunday and thank local residents for their action in sweeping up the rubble and alerting the Council. I apologise that the contractors didn't clear it until Tuesday lunchtime; it has been made clear by the Council that this delay is unacceptable.
Fly tipping is a nasty and mean criminal offence which causes intense annoyance and inconvenience to residents. It costs the taxpayer money to remove the rubble and rubbish.
Bromley Council will always prosecute any offender caught doing this. In the Magistrates Court the fine is up to £50,000 and 12 months imprisonment with costs and compensation on top of this. In the Crown Court the maximum sentence is an unlimited fine and up to five years in prison.
There is also a legal duty on householders who are having waste removed by contractors to ensure that they have a waste transfer notice.
The Council is asking the new Borough commander to ensure that police patrols stop any vehicles carrying waste during the night and weekends when waste sites are closed and to take details and check they have a waste transfer permit.
We are also pressing the Mayor of London (who is currently consulting on allowing footage from Transport for London cameras to be used by the police) to extend this to allow local councils the footage for gathering evidence in criminal cases.
As one of the ward members for West Wickham I visited the scene on Sunday and thank local residents for their action in sweeping up the rubble and alerting the Council. I apologise that the contractors didn't clear it until Tuesday lunchtime; it has been made clear by the Council that this delay is unacceptable. Fly tipping is a nasty and mean criminal offence which causes intense annoyance and inconvenience to residents. It costs the taxpayer money to remove the rubble and rubbish. Bromley Council will always prosecute any offender caught doing this. In the Magistrates Court the fine is up to £50,000 and 12 months imprisonment with costs and compensation on top of this. In the Crown Court the maximum sentence is an unlimited fine and up to five years in prison. There is also a legal duty on householders who are having waste removed by contractors to ensure that they have a waste transfer notice. The Council is asking the new Borough commander to ensure that police patrols stop any vehicles carrying waste during the night and weekends when waste sites are closed and to take details and check they have a waste transfer permit. We are also pressing the Mayor of London (who is currently consulting on allowing footage from Transport for London cameras to be used by the police) to extend this to allow local councils the footage for gathering evidence in criminal cases. Councillor Nicholas Bennett
  • Score: 1

7:01pm Wed 19 Mar 14

white rabbit9 says...

Fly tipping is a nasty and mean criminal offence

It's been pointed out, IT'S NOT A CRIMINAL OFFENCE. IT'S A CIVIL CASE.

Bromley Council will always prosecute any offender caught doing this. In the Magistrates Court the fine is up to £50,000 and 12 months imprisonment with costs and compensation on top of this.
-------------

Why not make it a million pounds, instead a quadrillion pounds? The reason they fly tip is to make money, TO LIVE!! Idiots in charge. great!

Yet a criminal offence which I have been involved in 3 times and not a conviction, the perpertrators walked free. Justice!!! system only works fro making money. PATHETIC!!

We are also pressing the Mayor of London (who is currently consulting on allowing footage from Transport for London cameras to be used by the police) to extend this to allow local councils the footage for gathering evidence in criminal cases.

Civl cases not criminal!! FFS how many more times.
Fly tipping is a nasty and mean criminal offence It's been pointed out, IT'S NOT A CRIMINAL OFFENCE. IT'S A CIVIL CASE. Bromley Council will always prosecute any offender caught doing this. In the Magistrates Court the fine is up to £50,000 and 12 months imprisonment with costs and compensation on top of this. ------------- Why not make it a million pounds, instead a quadrillion pounds? The reason they fly tip is to make money, TO LIVE!! Idiots in charge. great! Yet a criminal offence which I have been involved in 3 times and not a conviction, the perpertrators walked free. Justice!!! system only works fro making money. PATHETIC!! We are also pressing the Mayor of London (who is currently consulting on allowing footage from Transport for London cameras to be used by the police) to extend this to allow local councils the footage for gathering evidence in criminal cases. Civl cases not criminal!! FFS how many more times. white rabbit9
  • Score: 12

2:22pm Sat 22 Mar 14

Eagles_Man says...

white rabbit9 wrote:
Fly tipping is a nasty and mean criminal offence

It's been pointed out, IT'S NOT A CRIMINAL OFFENCE. IT'S A CIVIL CASE.

Bromley Council will always prosecute any offender caught doing this. In the Magistrates Court the fine is up to £50,000 and 12 months imprisonment with costs and compensation on top of this.
-------------

Why not make it a million pounds, instead a quadrillion pounds? The reason they fly tip is to make money, TO LIVE!! Idiots in charge. great!

Yet a criminal offence which I have been involved in 3 times and not a conviction, the perpertrators walked free. Justice!!! system only works fro making money. PATHETIC!!

We are also pressing the Mayor of London (who is currently consulting on allowing footage from Transport for London cameras to be used by the police) to extend this to allow local councils the footage for gathering evidence in criminal cases.

Civl cases not criminal!! FFS how many more times.
I believe Cllr Benett is a magistrate. Would you care to reveal your legal credentials?
[quote][p][bold]white rabbit9[/bold] wrote: Fly tipping is a nasty and mean criminal offence It's been pointed out, IT'S NOT A CRIMINAL OFFENCE. IT'S A CIVIL CASE. Bromley Council will always prosecute any offender caught doing this. In the Magistrates Court the fine is up to £50,000 and 12 months imprisonment with costs and compensation on top of this. ------------- Why not make it a million pounds, instead a quadrillion pounds? The reason they fly tip is to make money, TO LIVE!! Idiots in charge. great! Yet a criminal offence which I have been involved in 3 times and not a conviction, the perpertrators walked free. Justice!!! system only works fro making money. PATHETIC!! We are also pressing the Mayor of London (who is currently consulting on allowing footage from Transport for London cameras to be used by the police) to extend this to allow local councils the footage for gathering evidence in criminal cases. Civl cases not criminal!! FFS how many more times.[/p][/quote]I believe Cllr Benett is a magistrate. Would you care to reveal your legal credentials? Eagles_Man
  • Score: 1

2:26pm Sat 22 Mar 14

Eagles_Man says...

highway warrior wrote:
As per usual the tax payer bears the cost and the do as they likies get the cash in hand. Chances of the vehicle even being registered if they do get a registration is unlikely.
"the do as they likies" - love the rhyming slang.
[quote][p][bold]highway warrior[/bold] wrote: As per usual the tax payer bears the cost and the do as they likies get the cash in hand. Chances of the vehicle even being registered if they do get a registration is unlikely.[/p][/quote]"the do as they likies" - love the rhyming slang. Eagles_Man
  • Score: 1

7:12pm Sun 23 Mar 14

white rabbit9 says...

Eagles_Man wrote:
white rabbit9 wrote:
Fly tipping is a nasty and mean criminal offence

It's been pointed out, IT'S NOT A CRIMINAL OFFENCE. IT'S A CIVIL CASE.

Bromley Council will always prosecute any offender caught doing this. In the Magistrates Court the fine is up to £50,000 and 12 months imprisonment with costs and compensation on top of this.
-------------

Why not make it a million pounds, instead a quadrillion pounds? The reason they fly tip is to make money, TO LIVE!! Idiots in charge. great!

Yet a criminal offence which I have been involved in 3 times and not a conviction, the perpertrators walked free. Justice!!! system only works fro making money. PATHETIC!!

We are also pressing the Mayor of London (who is currently consulting on allowing footage from Transport for London cameras to be used by the police) to extend this to allow local councils the footage for gathering evidence in criminal cases.

Civl cases not criminal!! FFS how many more times.
I believe Cllr Benett is a magistrate. Would you care to reveal your legal credentials?
I am a sovereign citizen and under 'common law' he is no better than me under GOD.
A magistrate has to swear an oath to the queen under 'common law'. If he doesn't do this then he is an imposter.
So don't think a sheep on top of a head makes him better than anyone else.

I don't operate under a LEGAL FICTION, I as a human being operate under god and under common law, the law of the land under the queens bench.
[quote][p][bold]Eagles_Man[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]white rabbit9[/bold] wrote: Fly tipping is a nasty and mean criminal offence It's been pointed out, IT'S NOT A CRIMINAL OFFENCE. IT'S A CIVIL CASE. Bromley Council will always prosecute any offender caught doing this. In the Magistrates Court the fine is up to £50,000 and 12 months imprisonment with costs and compensation on top of this. ------------- Why not make it a million pounds, instead a quadrillion pounds? The reason they fly tip is to make money, TO LIVE!! Idiots in charge. great! Yet a criminal offence which I have been involved in 3 times and not a conviction, the perpertrators walked free. Justice!!! system only works fro making money. PATHETIC!! We are also pressing the Mayor of London (who is currently consulting on allowing footage from Transport for London cameras to be used by the police) to extend this to allow local councils the footage for gathering evidence in criminal cases. Civl cases not criminal!! FFS how many more times.[/p][/quote]I believe Cllr Benett is a magistrate. Would you care to reveal your legal credentials?[/p][/quote]I am a sovereign citizen and under 'common law' he is no better than me under GOD. A magistrate has to swear an oath to the queen under 'common law'. If he doesn't do this then he is an imposter. So don't think a sheep on top of a head makes him better than anyone else. I don't operate under a LEGAL FICTION, I as a human being operate under god and under common law, the law of the land under the queens bench. white rabbit9
  • Score: -1

8:08pm Sun 23 Mar 14

white rabbit9 says...

Just because a PERSON has 'status' in a fictional world/society doesn't mean jack If I don't stand under it. I am a sovereign man and a magistrate has no power If I don't consent to it. The queen protects me under 'common law' of the land and under our constitution, the 'magna carta' we all stand under GOD! So sheep on his head magistrate, fictional title can be all powerful over the people that wish to stand under such administrative, STATUTE'S & ACT laws. No one is going to order me around.
Just because a PERSON has 'status' in a fictional world/society doesn't mean jack If I don't stand under it. I am a sovereign man and a magistrate has no power If I don't consent to it. The queen protects me under 'common law' of the land and under our constitution, the 'magna carta' we all stand under GOD! So sheep on his head magistrate, fictional title can be all powerful over the people that wish to stand under such administrative, STATUTE'S & ACT laws. No one is going to order me around. white rabbit9
  • Score: -1

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