Couple jailed over Lee Rigby videos which glorified his murder

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A British Muslim couple were jailed today for glorifying the murder of Fusilier Lee Rigby in videos posted on YouTube that were "offensive in the extreme".

Royal Barnes, 23, and his wife Rebekah Dawson, 22, recorded and uploaded three videos shortly after the murder in Woolwich last May.

Barnes was jailed for five years and four months at the Old Bailey after pleading guilty last month to three counts of disseminating a terrorist publication and one of inciting murder.

His wife, who insisted on wearing her veil in court, admitted charges of disseminating a terrorist publication and was sentenced to 20 months in prison.

Judge Brian Barker QC told them the videos they made were "offensive in the extreme".

He said the couple showed "a total and continuing disregard" for how their actions might affect the family of trooper Rigby, those people who witnessed the murder and the British public.

Barnes, 23, and Dawson 22, of Hackney, north east London, embraced in the dock and insisted they would not be separated by a security guard at the start of the hearing.

Before sentencing, the judge asked Dawson's lawyer to confirm the defendant was the woman in the dock in the full veil.

The court heard the first of the three videos was made on the day Fusilier Rigby was murdered, with Barnes hailing it as a "brilliant" day.

It was edited with graphic images of a man holding a decapitated head, a scene of the Woolwich murder and the Twin Towers, and sent on YouTube the following day.

The second video contained the same edited images and saw Dawson ranting about how British troops would be killed on the streets of London.

Then in a follow-up, Barnes mocked the outpouring of public grief, laughing uncontrollably as he drove past floral tributes with Dawson.

Prosecutor Kate Wilkinson said Dawson sent links of the videos to contacts and friends and received some negative comments back.

One friend said to her: "Can you please stop sending me these links. I'm not interested in it."

Another told Dawson: "Be careful with the YouTube stuff."

Dawson replied: "My husband took this one down. If they got that they would have arrested. Have you watched it - it was really inciting and almost glorifying. LOL."

Dawson called her husband "Babes" in messages between them discussing the videos. In one, she told Barnes: "Babes, someone has reported the laughing video. It has been removed."

Barnes, who knew one of the murderers, Michael Adebowale, also posted on Facebook the offer of a reward for avenging the rape of an Iraqi woman. None of his 500 friends replied.

The post on June 12 2013 stated: ''Any1 who kills an invading soldier in Muslim land I will give them a Vauxhall Astra 3door and money (French British American any kaffir soldier take ur pick).''

Michael Adebolajo, 29, was given a whole-life term and Adebowale, 22, was sentenced to life with a minimum term of 45 years at a hearing last month after being found guilty of Fusilier Rigby's murder.

The British Muslim converts ran the soldier down in a car before hacking him to death with a meat cleaver and knives in a frenzied attack. They dumped his body in the middle of the road near Woolwich Barracks.

Dawson has no previous convictions, apart from a charge of witness intimidation that she has admitted and is awaiting sentence for, the court was told.

But Barnes has a string of convictions for using threatening words or behaviour, and one for assault on a security guard at a mosque. He also has a five-year anti-social behaviour order (Asbo) for taking part in vigilante patrols of east London promoting Sharia law, the court was told.

Mitigating for Barnes, Naeem Mian told the court: "There are no ifs, no buts, no maybes, Mr Barnes makes it absolutely clear that these are idiotic acts borne out of breathtaking stupidity."

He said his client was vulnerable to coming under bad influences, having been taken into care at the age of eight and prevented from attending his mother's funeral after she died in custody.

Dawson's lawyer Susan Meek said her client, who had been studying at university, also came under the influence of others and her dreams of becoming a teacher were now in tatters.

She said: "Over the last nine months, her faith and dress has been put under national and international limelight and it has caused her to reflect deeply about her belief and the way she lives her life and her religion.

"There is an understanding from her all she wants now is to live a life quietly, legally, as a wife to her husband and have a family."

The judge, who is Recorder of London, sentenced Barnes to 26 months in jail for each of the three counts relating to the YouTube videos.

Mr Barker said the charge of inciting murder was more serious because it "encouraged others to carry on the war against the West" and kill soldiers.

For this, he handed Barnes five years and four months' imprisonment, all to run concurrently.

Dawson was sentenced to 20 months' imprisonment for each of the first three charges, to run concurrently.

Mr Barker told the couple: "Freedom of speech has long been jealously regarded by the law but with that freedom comes respect and responsibility."

Mari Reid, of the Crown Prosecution Service's Counter Terrorism Division, said afterwards: "While the whole country was unified in grief and horror in the wake of Fusilier Lee Rigby's death last year, Royal Barnes and his wife sought to take advantage of the situation to promote their extremist views.

"Royal Barnes went further, using the savage attack on Fusilier Rigby to encourage others, via Facebook, to murder British, French and American soldiers.

"These were not throwaway comments from a thoughtless individual, but the hardened beliefs of an extremist.

"We pride ourselves in Britain on allowing the right to free speech to flourish. But the vile views posted online by Royal Barnes and Rebekah Dawson justified and glorified terrorist attacks, and tried to foster hatred in our communities."

Temporary Commander Duncan Ball, head of the Counter Terrorism Command (SO15), said: "Disseminating violent extremist material and encouraging others to carry out acts of terrorism are serious offences and I hope today's sentences send out a clear message that we will arrest and prosecute those responsible."

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10:24am Fri 14 Mar 14

chris8210 says...

hang em
hang em chris8210
  • Score: 48

10:30am Fri 14 Mar 14

ripnetuk says...

Whatever happened to free speech ???

I think its appalling that this poor couple have had criminal sanctions against them just for expressing an opinion. Glorifying terrorism ??? wtf even if we disagree with their opinions (and most of us do) they should be free to say what they like.

Lets face it, Britain and USA have gone into several sovereign foreign countries and kicked off, killing hundreds and thousands of people, and Blair and Bush haven't been indited yet. Why not? why is dropping huge bombs on cities not mass murder? it is.

We got pretty **** off when Hitler went on a rampage through Europe taking over and killing people. We were perfectly at liberty to defend ourselves. Why not Afghans and Iraqis. Admittedly the concentration camp in Cube is on a FAR smaller scale, and there is no parallel to the genocide. (apart from the sectarian violence which was unleashed)

As for inciting murder, that's ridiculous as well. If you read what they actually said is that they would reward someone who killed an INVADING SOLDIER in THE COUNTRY THATS BEING INVADED. This is commonly known as defending yourself.

Would our government be guilty of inciting murder if we got invaded by the French, and they rewarded people for defending us (ie, paid soldiers). Of course not.

What an illiberal country we have become. Tony Benn must be rolling in his morgue.
Whatever happened to free speech ??? I think its appalling that this poor couple have had criminal sanctions against them just for expressing an opinion. Glorifying terrorism ??? wtf even if we disagree with their opinions (and most of us do) they should be free to say what they like. Lets face it, Britain and USA have gone into several sovereign foreign countries and kicked off, killing hundreds and thousands of people, and Blair and Bush haven't been indited yet. Why not? why is dropping huge bombs on cities not mass murder? it is. We got pretty **** off when Hitler went on a rampage through Europe taking over and killing people. We were perfectly at liberty to defend ourselves. Why not Afghans and Iraqis. Admittedly the concentration camp in Cube is on a FAR smaller scale, and there is no parallel to the genocide. (apart from the sectarian violence which was unleashed) As for inciting murder, that's ridiculous as well. If you read what they actually said is that they would reward someone who killed an INVADING SOLDIER in THE COUNTRY THATS BEING INVADED. This is commonly known as defending yourself. Would our government be guilty of inciting murder if we got invaded by the French, and they rewarded people for defending us (ie, paid soldiers). Of course not. What an illiberal country we have become. Tony Benn must be rolling in his morgue. ripnetuk
  • Score: -85

10:57am Fri 14 Mar 14

Gypo.Joe says...

ripnetuk you are now definitely a serious contender for the champion negative votes cast this week.

Game on !

You really do have some valid points though.
ripnetuk you are now definitely a serious contender for the champion negative votes cast this week. Game on ! You really do have some valid points though. Gypo.Joe
  • Score: -49

11:04am Fri 14 Mar 14

Virtual-Monster says...

Glorifying the murder of a member of our armed forces should be treated as treason. Don't worry about sending them down, just send them away to some backwards thinking and facing country where they can spew their hate filled diatribe until their hearts are content.
Glorifying the murder of a member of our armed forces should be treated as treason. Don't worry about sending them down, just send them away to some backwards thinking and facing country where they can spew their hate filled diatribe until their hearts are content. Virtual-Monster
  • Score: 22

11:29am Fri 14 Mar 14

PaulErith says...

ripnetuk wrote:
Whatever happened to free speech ???

I think its appalling that this poor couple have had criminal sanctions against them just for expressing an opinion. Glorifying terrorism ??? wtf even if we disagree with their opinions (and most of us do) they should be free to say what they like.

Lets face it, Britain and USA have gone into several sovereign foreign countries and kicked off, killing hundreds and thousands of people, and Blair and Bush haven't been indited yet. Why not? why is dropping huge bombs on cities not mass murder? it is.

We got pretty **** off when Hitler went on a rampage through Europe taking over and killing people. We were perfectly at liberty to defend ourselves. Why not Afghans and Iraqis. Admittedly the concentration camp in Cube is on a FAR smaller scale, and there is no parallel to the genocide. (apart from the sectarian violence which was unleashed)

As for inciting murder, that's ridiculous as well. If you read what they actually said is that they would reward someone who killed an INVADING SOLDIER in THE COUNTRY THATS BEING INVADED. This is commonly known as defending yourself.

Would our government be guilty of inciting murder if we got invaded by the French, and they rewarded people for defending us (ie, paid soldiers). Of course not.

What an illiberal country we have become. Tony Benn must be rolling in his morgue.
Free speech is great but people inciting hatred cannot be allowed. I can only assume therefore that you also don't agree with prosecuting people that are racist? For example, the white woman on a tube coming out with all kinds of racist things. By your argument they're entitled to their view so shouldn't be prosecuted.
[quote][p][bold]ripnetuk[/bold] wrote: Whatever happened to free speech ??? I think its appalling that this poor couple have had criminal sanctions against them just for expressing an opinion. Glorifying terrorism ??? wtf even if we disagree with their opinions (and most of us do) they should be free to say what they like. Lets face it, Britain and USA have gone into several sovereign foreign countries and kicked off, killing hundreds and thousands of people, and Blair and Bush haven't been indited yet. Why not? why is dropping huge bombs on cities not mass murder? it is. We got pretty **** off when Hitler went on a rampage through Europe taking over and killing people. We were perfectly at liberty to defend ourselves. Why not Afghans and Iraqis. Admittedly the concentration camp in Cube is on a FAR smaller scale, and there is no parallel to the genocide. (apart from the sectarian violence which was unleashed) As for inciting murder, that's ridiculous as well. If you read what they actually said is that they would reward someone who killed an INVADING SOLDIER in THE COUNTRY THATS BEING INVADED. This is commonly known as defending yourself. Would our government be guilty of inciting murder if we got invaded by the French, and they rewarded people for defending us (ie, paid soldiers). Of course not. What an illiberal country we have become. Tony Benn must be rolling in his morgue.[/p][/quote]Free speech is great but people inciting hatred cannot be allowed. I can only assume therefore that you also don't agree with prosecuting people that are racist? For example, the white woman on a tube coming out with all kinds of racist things. By your argument they're entitled to their view so shouldn't be prosecuted. PaulErith
  • Score: 70

11:45am Fri 14 Mar 14

ripnetuk says...

PaulErith wrote:
ripnetuk wrote:
Whatever happened to free speech ???

I think its appalling that this poor couple have had criminal sanctions against them just for expressing an opinion. Glorifying terrorism ??? wtf even if we disagree with their opinions (and most of us do) they should be free to say what they like.

Lets face it, Britain and USA have gone into several sovereign foreign countries and kicked off, killing hundreds and thousands of people, and Blair and Bush haven't been indited yet. Why not? why is dropping huge bombs on cities not mass murder? it is.

We got pretty **** off when Hitler went on a rampage through Europe taking over and killing people. We were perfectly at liberty to defend ourselves. Why not Afghans and Iraqis. Admittedly the concentration camp in Cube is on a FAR smaller scale, and there is no parallel to the genocide. (apart from the sectarian violence which was unleashed)

As for inciting murder, that's ridiculous as well. If you read what they actually said is that they would reward someone who killed an INVADING SOLDIER in THE COUNTRY THATS BEING INVADED. This is commonly known as defending yourself.

Would our government be guilty of inciting murder if we got invaded by the French, and they rewarded people for defending us (ie, paid soldiers). Of course not.

What an illiberal country we have become. Tony Benn must be rolling in his morgue.
Free speech is great but people inciting hatred cannot be allowed. I can only assume therefore that you also don't agree with prosecuting people that are racist? For example, the white woman on a tube coming out with all kinds of racist things. By your argument they're entitled to their view so shouldn't be prosecuted.
That awful woman on the train was attacking an individual . If someone (with whom i would disagree) wrote a racist article, or possessed one, or make a racist you tube video, people have to option to simply not read it or watch it, that's where I think the difference lies IMHO.

If these people had gone up to the family of the dead soldier and laughed at them directly, of course they should have been prosecuted. but thats not the case.
[quote][p][bold]PaulErith[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ripnetuk[/bold] wrote: Whatever happened to free speech ??? I think its appalling that this poor couple have had criminal sanctions against them just for expressing an opinion. Glorifying terrorism ??? wtf even if we disagree with their opinions (and most of us do) they should be free to say what they like. Lets face it, Britain and USA have gone into several sovereign foreign countries and kicked off, killing hundreds and thousands of people, and Blair and Bush haven't been indited yet. Why not? why is dropping huge bombs on cities not mass murder? it is. We got pretty **** off when Hitler went on a rampage through Europe taking over and killing people. We were perfectly at liberty to defend ourselves. Why not Afghans and Iraqis. Admittedly the concentration camp in Cube is on a FAR smaller scale, and there is no parallel to the genocide. (apart from the sectarian violence which was unleashed) As for inciting murder, that's ridiculous as well. If you read what they actually said is that they would reward someone who killed an INVADING SOLDIER in THE COUNTRY THATS BEING INVADED. This is commonly known as defending yourself. Would our government be guilty of inciting murder if we got invaded by the French, and they rewarded people for defending us (ie, paid soldiers). Of course not. What an illiberal country we have become. Tony Benn must be rolling in his morgue.[/p][/quote]Free speech is great but people inciting hatred cannot be allowed. I can only assume therefore that you also don't agree with prosecuting people that are racist? For example, the white woman on a tube coming out with all kinds of racist things. By your argument they're entitled to their view so shouldn't be prosecuted.[/p][/quote]That awful woman on the train was attacking an individual . If someone (with whom i would disagree) wrote a racist article, or possessed one, or make a racist you tube video, people have to option to simply not read it or watch it, that's where I think the difference lies IMHO. If these people had gone up to the family of the dead soldier and laughed at them directly, of course they should have been prosecuted. but thats not the case. ripnetuk
  • Score: -46

12:09pm Fri 14 Mar 14

PaulErith says...

But I think in this day and age, making a video is just as bad as saying it face to face. Videos go viral in no time, so of course the family will end up hearing about it. It's as good as mocking the family to their face. Agree that one can choose not to watch or read something, but often you don't know that you will be offended by it until you have seen it. Also, you either hold these high morals about free speech or you don't! You've changed your stance now by saying that free speech is everyone's right, but not if you say it in front of or to someone that might be offended.
But I think in this day and age, making a video is just as bad as saying it face to face. Videos go viral in no time, so of course the family will end up hearing about it. It's as good as mocking the family to their face. Agree that one can choose not to watch or read something, but often you don't know that you will be offended by it until you have seen it. Also, you either hold these high morals about free speech or you don't! You've changed your stance now by saying that free speech is everyone's right, but not if you say it in front of or to someone that might be offended. PaulErith
  • Score: 35

6:32pm Fri 14 Mar 14

Joelo says...

No place for these people in my world. Hang them, scum
No place for these people in my world. Hang them, scum Joelo
  • Score: 42

7:22pm Fri 14 Mar 14

ripnetuk says...

Joelo wrote:
No place for these people in my world. Hang them, scum
If they are guilty to incitement to murder aren't you also ? with that comment you just published. suggesting they are murdered. you forgot to offer a reward.
[quote][p][bold]Joelo[/bold] wrote: No place for these people in my world. Hang them, scum[/p][/quote]If they are guilty to incitement to murder aren't you also ? with that comment you just published. suggesting they are murdered. you forgot to offer a reward. ripnetuk
  • Score: -42

9:47pm Fri 14 Mar 14

ELVIS83 says...

Pure racist scum bags.
Pure racist scum bags. ELVIS83
  • Score: 107

11:09pm Fri 14 Mar 14

Hatersgonnahate says...

Gypo.Joe wrote:
ripnetuk you are now definitely a serious contender for the champion negative votes cast this week.

Game on !

You really do have some valid points though.
I think I could be a contender :-) though - 28 for defending racism is quite good, whilst the UKIP & BNP loving minority bolstered by the NS Daily Mail style of reporting still maintain a delusional belief of achieving majorities in elections it does represent a boring & sad indictment of society.
I really can't see the problem with different cultures coming to our shores, we've (the UK) have been doing it for centuries!

The reported story is cut & dry. A crime was committed mocking a very tragic & emotional crime that resulted in the loss of a young life. Don't insult it by using to bolster attacks against immigration or Islam. His family expressed that most insistently.
[quote][p][bold]Gypo.Joe[/bold] wrote: ripnetuk you are now definitely a serious contender for the champion negative votes cast this week. Game on ! You really do have some valid points though.[/p][/quote]I think I could be a contender :-) though - 28 for defending racism is quite good, whilst the UKIP & BNP loving minority bolstered by the NS Daily Mail style of reporting still maintain a delusional belief of achieving majorities in elections it does represent a boring & sad indictment of society. I really can't see the problem with different cultures coming to our shores, we've (the UK) have been doing it for centuries! The reported story is cut & dry. A crime was committed mocking a very tragic & emotional crime that resulted in the loss of a young life. Don't insult it by using to bolster attacks against immigration or Islam. His family expressed that most insistently. Hatersgonnahate
  • Score: -76

9:53am Sat 15 Mar 14

reasonable75 says...

ripnetuk wrote:
PaulErith wrote:
ripnetuk wrote:
Whatever happened to free speech ???

I think its appalling that this poor couple have had criminal sanctions against them just for expressing an opinion. Glorifying terrorism ??? wtf even if we disagree with their opinions (and most of us do) they should be free to say what they like.

Lets face it, Britain and USA have gone into several sovereign foreign countries and kicked off, killing hundreds and thousands of people, and Blair and Bush haven't been indited yet. Why not? why is dropping huge bombs on cities not mass murder? it is.

We got pretty **** off when Hitler went on a rampage through Europe taking over and killing people. We were perfectly at liberty to defend ourselves. Why not Afghans and Iraqis. Admittedly the concentration camp in Cube is on a FAR smaller scale, and there is no parallel to the genocide. (apart from the sectarian violence which was unleashed)

As for inciting murder, that's ridiculous as well. If you read what they actually said is that they would reward someone who killed an INVADING SOLDIER in THE COUNTRY THATS BEING INVADED. This is commonly known as defending yourself.

Would our government be guilty of inciting murder if we got invaded by the French, and they rewarded people for defending us (ie, paid soldiers). Of course not.

What an illiberal country we have become. Tony Benn must be rolling in his morgue.
Free speech is great but people inciting hatred cannot be allowed. I can only assume therefore that you also don't agree with prosecuting people that are racist? For example, the white woman on a tube coming out with all kinds of racist things. By your argument they're entitled to their view so shouldn't be prosecuted.
That awful woman on the train was attacking an individual . If someone (with whom i would disagree) wrote a racist article, or possessed one, or make a racist you tube video, people have to option to simply not read it or watch it, that's where I think the difference lies IMHO.

If these people had gone up to the family of the dead soldier and laughed at them directly, of course they should have been prosecuted. but thats not the case.
So giving an interview on TV would be OK because it's not directly to the family?

Publishing an article in a paper is OK?

Because this is racism against white people it's acceptable

By your logic if I appear on national TV and make racist comments against non-white people that it's acceptable because it's not direct to someone

What constitutes Muslim land? Some extremists class any foreigner as an invader - even tourists
[quote][p][bold]ripnetuk[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]PaulErith[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ripnetuk[/bold] wrote: Whatever happened to free speech ??? I think its appalling that this poor couple have had criminal sanctions against them just for expressing an opinion. Glorifying terrorism ??? wtf even if we disagree with their opinions (and most of us do) they should be free to say what they like. Lets face it, Britain and USA have gone into several sovereign foreign countries and kicked off, killing hundreds and thousands of people, and Blair and Bush haven't been indited yet. Why not? why is dropping huge bombs on cities not mass murder? it is. We got pretty **** off when Hitler went on a rampage through Europe taking over and killing people. We were perfectly at liberty to defend ourselves. Why not Afghans and Iraqis. Admittedly the concentration camp in Cube is on a FAR smaller scale, and there is no parallel to the genocide. (apart from the sectarian violence which was unleashed) As for inciting murder, that's ridiculous as well. If you read what they actually said is that they would reward someone who killed an INVADING SOLDIER in THE COUNTRY THATS BEING INVADED. This is commonly known as defending yourself. Would our government be guilty of inciting murder if we got invaded by the French, and they rewarded people for defending us (ie, paid soldiers). Of course not. What an illiberal country we have become. Tony Benn must be rolling in his morgue.[/p][/quote]Free speech is great but people inciting hatred cannot be allowed. I can only assume therefore that you also don't agree with prosecuting people that are racist? For example, the white woman on a tube coming out with all kinds of racist things. By your argument they're entitled to their view so shouldn't be prosecuted.[/p][/quote]That awful woman on the train was attacking an individual . If someone (with whom i would disagree) wrote a racist article, or possessed one, or make a racist you tube video, people have to option to simply not read it or watch it, that's where I think the difference lies IMHO. If these people had gone up to the family of the dead soldier and laughed at them directly, of course they should have been prosecuted. but thats not the case.[/p][/quote]So giving an interview on TV would be OK because it's not directly to the family? Publishing an article in a paper is OK? Because this is racism against white people it's acceptable By your logic if I appear on national TV and make racist comments against non-white people that it's acceptable because it's not direct to someone What constitutes Muslim land? Some extremists class any foreigner as an invader - even tourists reasonable75
  • Score: 95

10:09am Sat 15 Mar 14

reasonable75 says...

ripnetuk wrote:
Joelo wrote:
No place for these people in my world. Hang them, scum
If they are guilty to incitement to murder aren't you also ? with that comment you just published. suggesting they are murdered. you forgot to offer a reward.
This is not incitement to murder, rather another call for capital punishment to be reintroduced
[quote][p][bold]ripnetuk[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Joelo[/bold] wrote: No place for these people in my world. Hang them, scum[/p][/quote]If they are guilty to incitement to murder aren't you also ? with that comment you just published. suggesting they are murdered. you forgot to offer a reward.[/p][/quote]This is not incitement to murder, rather another call for capital punishment to be reintroduced reasonable75
  • Score: 44

10:14am Sat 15 Mar 14

ripnetuk says...

reasonable75 wrote:
ripnetuk wrote:
Joelo wrote:
No place for these people in my world. Hang them, scum
If they are guilty to incitement to murder aren't you also ? with that comment you just published. suggesting they are murdered. you forgot to offer a reward.
This is not incitement to murder, rather another call for capital punishment to be reintroduced
in which case so was the defendants call to capitally punish aggressive invading soldiers in Muslim lands then.
[quote][p][bold]reasonable75[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ripnetuk[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Joelo[/bold] wrote: No place for these people in my world. Hang them, scum[/p][/quote]If they are guilty to incitement to murder aren't you also ? with that comment you just published. suggesting they are murdered. you forgot to offer a reward.[/p][/quote]This is not incitement to murder, rather another call for capital punishment to be reintroduced[/p][/quote]in which case so was the defendants call to capitally punish aggressive invading soldiers in Muslim lands then. ripnetuk
  • Score: -50

12:41pm Sat 15 Mar 14

Marty1979 says...

ripnetuk wrote:
reasonable75 wrote:
ripnetuk wrote:
Joelo wrote:
No place for these people in my world. Hang them, scum
If they are guilty to incitement to murder aren't you also ? with that comment you just published. suggesting they are murdered. you forgot to offer a reward.
This is not incitement to murder, rather another call for capital punishment to be reintroduced
in which case so was the defendants call to capitally punish aggressive invading soldiers in Muslim lands then.
By your logic the murderers of Lee Rigby were justified in their actions as he had been an "invader" ?

I wonder why people who think these countries are so great don't go and live there
[quote][p][bold]ripnetuk[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]reasonable75[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ripnetuk[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Joelo[/bold] wrote: No place for these people in my world. Hang them, scum[/p][/quote]If they are guilty to incitement to murder aren't you also ? with that comment you just published. suggesting they are murdered. you forgot to offer a reward.[/p][/quote]This is not incitement to murder, rather another call for capital punishment to be reintroduced[/p][/quote]in which case so was the defendants call to capitally punish aggressive invading soldiers in Muslim lands then.[/p][/quote]By your logic the murderers of Lee Rigby were justified in their actions as he had been an "invader" ? I wonder why people who think these countries are so great don't go and live there Marty1979
  • Score: 85

8:05pm Sat 15 Mar 14

kevint1972 says...

Now put them in general population and let it get around what they're in for.
Now put them in general population and let it get around what they're in for. kevint1972
  • Score: 43

11:48am Mon 17 Mar 14

franksutton says...

Going back to the actual topic! This pair were convicted under this country's laws (if they chose to live here then the laws do apply to them - as much as some argue they don't).

Prior to their disgusting video they appeared in court, he was charged (and convicted) of assault and harrassment. She was charged, pleaded guilty, and is awaiting sentence for witness intimidation. They only recently converted to Islam - their crime was that Barnes attacked the caretaker at a mosque (someone who had been a Muslim all his life) and Dawson threatened the caretaker for daring to report her husband to the police for assault

She actually posted comments:-

'Dat guy frm d mosque dat insulted niqab. Sed dat musa made death threats to him! plz make dua for him dat d truth prevails over this mans bat'. "

then

'I'm gonu beat dat man up' "

Nice couple
Going back to the actual topic! This pair were convicted under this country's laws (if they chose to live here then the laws do apply to them - as much as some argue they don't). Prior to their disgusting video they appeared in court, he was charged (and convicted) of assault and harrassment. She was charged, pleaded guilty, and is awaiting sentence for witness intimidation. They only recently converted to Islam - their crime was that Barnes attacked the caretaker at a mosque (someone who had been a Muslim all his life) and Dawson threatened the caretaker for daring to report her husband to the police for assault She actually posted comments:- 'Dat guy frm d mosque dat insulted niqab. Sed dat musa [Royal Barnes] made death threats to him! plz make dua for him dat d truth prevails over this mans bat'. " then 'I'm gonu beat dat man up' " Nice couple franksutton
  • Score: 18

2:19pm Mon 17 Mar 14

reasonable75 says...

Where have all the comments gone?
Where have all the comments gone? reasonable75
  • Score: 17

2:27pm Mon 17 Mar 14

ความจริง says...

ripnetuk wrote:
Whatever happened to free speech ??? I think its appalling that this poor couple have had criminal sanctions against them just for expressing an opinion. Glorifying terrorism ??? wtf even if we disagree with their opinions (and most of us do) they should be free to say what they like. Lets face it, Britain and USA have gone into several sovereign foreign countries and kicked off, killing hundreds and thousands of people, and Blair and Bush haven't been indited yet. Why not? why is dropping huge bombs on cities not mass murder? it is. We got pretty **** off when Hitler went on a rampage through Europe taking over and killing people. We were perfectly at liberty to defend ourselves. Why not Afghans and Iraqis. Admittedly the concentration camp in Cube is on a FAR smaller scale, and there is no parallel to the genocide. (apart from the sectarian violence which was unleashed) As for inciting murder, that's ridiculous as well. If you read what they actually said is that they would reward someone who killed an INVADING SOLDIER in THE COUNTRY THATS BEING INVADED. This is commonly known as defending yourself. Would our government be guilty of inciting murder if we got invaded by the French, and they rewarded people for defending us (ie, paid soldiers). Of course not. What an illiberal country we have become. Tony Benn must be rolling in his morgue.
What planet are you on ?

What has foreign policy got to do with murdering an innocent soldier ?

The only treatment for these two scum is to lock them in a room with Lee Rigby's regiment, that would sort them out...............
[quote][p][bold]ripnetuk[/bold] wrote: Whatever happened to free speech ??? I think its appalling that this poor couple have had criminal sanctions against them just for expressing an opinion. Glorifying terrorism ??? wtf even if we disagree with their opinions (and most of us do) they should be free to say what they like. Lets face it, Britain and USA have gone into several sovereign foreign countries and kicked off, killing hundreds and thousands of people, and Blair and Bush haven't been indited yet. Why not? why is dropping huge bombs on cities not mass murder? it is. We got pretty **** off when Hitler went on a rampage through Europe taking over and killing people. We were perfectly at liberty to defend ourselves. Why not Afghans and Iraqis. Admittedly the concentration camp in Cube is on a FAR smaller scale, and there is no parallel to the genocide. (apart from the sectarian violence which was unleashed) As for inciting murder, that's ridiculous as well. If you read what they actually said is that they would reward someone who killed an INVADING SOLDIER in THE COUNTRY THATS BEING INVADED. This is commonly known as defending yourself. Would our government be guilty of inciting murder if we got invaded by the French, and they rewarded people for defending us (ie, paid soldiers). Of course not. What an illiberal country we have become. Tony Benn must be rolling in his morgue.[/p][/quote]What planet are you on ? What has foreign policy got to do with murdering an innocent soldier ? The only treatment for these two scum is to lock them in a room with Lee Rigby's regiment, that would sort them out............... ความจริง
  • Score: 20

3:19pm Mon 17 Mar 14

Love London Life says...

ELVIS83 wrote:
Pure racist scum bags.
Here here
[quote][p][bold]ELVIS83[/bold] wrote: Pure racist scum bags.[/p][/quote]Here here Love London Life
  • Score: 35

4:14pm Mon 17 Mar 14

Gypo.Joe says...

I'm still winning -80 and counting.

Gercha you muvers keep 'em coming.
I'm still winning -80 and counting. Gercha you muvers keep 'em coming. Gypo.Joe
  • Score: -33

5:05pm Mon 17 Mar 14

reasonable75 says...

Gypo.Joe wrote:
I'm still winning -80 and counting.

Gercha you muvers keep 'em coming.
So what's your record - and is it something to be proud of?
[quote][p][bold]Gypo.Joe[/bold] wrote: I'm still winning -80 and counting. Gercha you muvers keep 'em coming.[/p][/quote]So what's your record - and is it something to be proud of? reasonable75
  • Score: 15

5:11pm Mon 17 Mar 14

ripnetuk says...

reasonable75 wrote:
Gypo.Joe wrote:
I'm still winning -80 and counting.

Gercha you muvers keep 'em coming.
So what's your record - and is it something to be proud of?
It is something to be proud of when all the positives come from comments like "Hang them", "Let the regiment assault them" and "Send 'em back home" and some of the other idiotic opinions on here (the most racist of which seem to have been removed)

:)
[quote][p][bold]reasonable75[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Gypo.Joe[/bold] wrote: I'm still winning -80 and counting. Gercha you muvers keep 'em coming.[/p][/quote]So what's your record - and is it something to be proud of?[/p][/quote]It is something to be proud of when all the positives come from comments like "Hang them", "Let the regiment assault them" and "Send 'em back home" and some of the other idiotic opinions on here (the most racist of which seem to have been removed) :) ripnetuk
  • Score: -21

5:43pm Mon 17 Mar 14

Dr. Nick says...

ripnetuk wrote:
reasonable75 wrote:
Gypo.Joe wrote:
I'm still winning -80 and counting.

Gercha you muvers keep 'em coming.
So what's your record - and is it something to be proud of?
It is something to be proud of when all the positives come from comments like "Hang them", "Let the regiment assault them" and "Send 'em back home" and some of the other idiotic opinions on here (the most racist of which seem to have been removed)

:)
The racist minority are being watched...

Condoning violence of any kind is sickening, but when it is accompanied by race hate and mockery, it is totally unacceptable and must be dealt with in a strong way. These two have been dealt with by our justice system, as will many more.
[quote][p][bold]ripnetuk[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]reasonable75[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Gypo.Joe[/bold] wrote: I'm still winning -80 and counting. Gercha you muvers keep 'em coming.[/p][/quote]So what's your record - and is it something to be proud of?[/p][/quote]It is something to be proud of when all the positives come from comments like "Hang them", "Let the regiment assault them" and "Send 'em back home" and some of the other idiotic opinions on here (the most racist of which seem to have been removed) :)[/p][/quote]The racist minority are being watched... Condoning violence of any kind is sickening, but when it is accompanied by race hate and mockery, it is totally unacceptable and must be dealt with in a strong way. These two have been dealt with by our justice system, as will many more. Dr. Nick
  • Score: -25

6:32pm Mon 17 Mar 14

Gypo.Joe says...

reasonable75 wrote:
Gypo.Joe wrote:
I'm still winning -80 and counting.

Gercha you muvers keep 'em coming.
So what's your record - and is it something to be proud of?
-85 now and counting.

Yes I am proud to stand up to the bigoted racist homophobic morons who post on here and the gutless ones that sit there negative voting me and others. Racist bigots and little Englanders with a shoe size larger than their IQ from the BNP-EDL-SEA-EVF etc etc.

THAnk YoU and keep 'em coming.
[quote][p][bold]reasonable75[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Gypo.Joe[/bold] wrote: I'm still winning -80 and counting. Gercha you muvers keep 'em coming.[/p][/quote]So what's your record - and is it something to be proud of?[/p][/quote]-85 now and counting. Yes I am proud to stand up to the bigoted racist homophobic morons who post on here and the gutless ones that sit there negative voting me and others. Racist bigots and little Englanders with a shoe size larger than their IQ from the BNP-EDL-SEA-EVF etc etc. THAnk YoU and keep 'em coming. Gypo.Joe
  • Score: -19

8:49pm Mon 17 Mar 14

Marty1979 says...

ripnetuk wrote:
Whatever happened to free speech ???

I think its appalling that this poor couple have had criminal sanctions against them just for expressing an opinion. Glorifying terrorism ??? wtf even if we disagree with their opinions (and most of us do) they should be free to say what they like.

Lets face it, Britain and USA have gone into several sovereign foreign countries and kicked off, killing hundreds and thousands of people, and Blair and Bush haven't been indited yet. Why not? why is dropping huge bombs on cities not mass murder? it is.

We got pretty **** off when Hitler went on a rampage through Europe taking over and killing people. We were perfectly at liberty to defend ourselves. Why not Afghans and Iraqis. Admittedly the concentration camp in Cube is on a FAR smaller scale, and there is no parallel to the genocide. (apart from the sectarian violence which was unleashed)

As for inciting murder, that's ridiculous as well. If you read what they actually said is that they would reward someone who killed an INVADING SOLDIER in THE COUNTRY THATS BEING INVADED. This is commonly known as defending yourself.

Would our government be guilty of inciting murder if we got invaded by the French, and they rewarded people for defending us (ie, paid soldiers). Of course not.

What an illiberal country we have become. Tony Benn must be rolling in his morgue.
You say we were at liberty to defend ourselves against Hilter. But Hitler never invaded Britain (or America) we actually invaded Germany

Germany didn't even attack America, but Americans bombed then invaded Germany

So how does your argument work?
[quote][p][bold]ripnetuk[/bold] wrote: Whatever happened to free speech ??? I think its appalling that this poor couple have had criminal sanctions against them just for expressing an opinion. Glorifying terrorism ??? wtf even if we disagree with their opinions (and most of us do) they should be free to say what they like. Lets face it, Britain and USA have gone into several sovereign foreign countries and kicked off, killing hundreds and thousands of people, and Blair and Bush haven't been indited yet. Why not? why is dropping huge bombs on cities not mass murder? it is. We got pretty **** off when Hitler went on a rampage through Europe taking over and killing people. We were perfectly at liberty to defend ourselves. Why not Afghans and Iraqis. Admittedly the concentration camp in Cube is on a FAR smaller scale, and there is no parallel to the genocide. (apart from the sectarian violence which was unleashed) As for inciting murder, that's ridiculous as well. If you read what they actually said is that they would reward someone who killed an INVADING SOLDIER in THE COUNTRY THATS BEING INVADED. This is commonly known as defending yourself. Would our government be guilty of inciting murder if we got invaded by the French, and they rewarded people for defending us (ie, paid soldiers). Of course not. What an illiberal country we have become. Tony Benn must be rolling in his morgue.[/p][/quote]You say we were at liberty to defend ourselves against Hilter. But Hitler never invaded Britain (or America) we actually invaded Germany Germany didn't even attack America, but Americans bombed then invaded Germany So how does your argument work? Marty1979
  • Score: 28

9:12pm Mon 17 Mar 14

ripnetuk says...

Marty1979 wrote:
ripnetuk wrote:
Whatever happened to free speech ???

I think its appalling that this poor couple have had criminal sanctions against them just for expressing an opinion. Glorifying terrorism ??? wtf even if we disagree with their opinions (and most of us do) they should be free to say what they like.

Lets face it, Britain and USA have gone into several sovereign foreign countries and kicked off, killing hundreds and thousands of people, and Blair and Bush haven't been indited yet. Why not? why is dropping huge bombs on cities not mass murder? it is.

We got pretty **** off when Hitler went on a rampage through Europe taking over and killing people. We were perfectly at liberty to defend ourselves. Why not Afghans and Iraqis. Admittedly the concentration camp in Cube is on a FAR smaller scale, and there is no parallel to the genocide. (apart from the sectarian violence which was unleashed)

As for inciting murder, that's ridiculous as well. If you read what they actually said is that they would reward someone who killed an INVADING SOLDIER in THE COUNTRY THATS BEING INVADED. This is commonly known as defending yourself.

Would our government be guilty of inciting murder if we got invaded by the French, and they rewarded people for defending us (ie, paid soldiers). Of course not.

What an illiberal country we have become. Tony Benn must be rolling in his morgue.
You say we were at liberty to defend ourselves against Hilter. But Hitler never invaded Britain (or America) we actually invaded Germany

Germany didn't even attack America, but Americans bombed then invaded Germany

So how does your argument work?
That wasn't really the main thrust of my argument which simply put was that people in countries we have invaded have the duty and right to kill our soldiers. that's how war works. The 2 guys in the original story (the sick stuff on Facebook ones not the murderers) simply offered a reward for someone to do that.i don't understand how that is incitement to murder.eli5 pls
[quote][p][bold]Marty1979[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ripnetuk[/bold] wrote: Whatever happened to free speech ??? I think its appalling that this poor couple have had criminal sanctions against them just for expressing an opinion. Glorifying terrorism ??? wtf even if we disagree with their opinions (and most of us do) they should be free to say what they like. Lets face it, Britain and USA have gone into several sovereign foreign countries and kicked off, killing hundreds and thousands of people, and Blair and Bush haven't been indited yet. Why not? why is dropping huge bombs on cities not mass murder? it is. We got pretty **** off when Hitler went on a rampage through Europe taking over and killing people. We were perfectly at liberty to defend ourselves. Why not Afghans and Iraqis. Admittedly the concentration camp in Cube is on a FAR smaller scale, and there is no parallel to the genocide. (apart from the sectarian violence which was unleashed) As for inciting murder, that's ridiculous as well. If you read what they actually said is that they would reward someone who killed an INVADING SOLDIER in THE COUNTRY THATS BEING INVADED. This is commonly known as defending yourself. Would our government be guilty of inciting murder if we got invaded by the French, and they rewarded people for defending us (ie, paid soldiers). Of course not. What an illiberal country we have become. Tony Benn must be rolling in his morgue.[/p][/quote]You say we were at liberty to defend ourselves against Hilter. But Hitler never invaded Britain (or America) we actually invaded Germany Germany didn't even attack America, but Americans bombed then invaded Germany So how does your argument work?[/p][/quote]That wasn't really the main thrust of my argument which simply put was that people in countries we have invaded have the duty and right to kill our soldiers. that's how war works. The 2 guys in the original story (the sick stuff on Facebook ones not the murderers) simply offered a reward for someone to do that.i don't understand how that is incitement to murder.eli5 pls ripnetuk
  • Score: -30

10:19am Tue 18 Mar 14

Gypo.Joe says...

Come on now y'all slowing only -87. Keep up the good work we can get to -100 but you have to try harder,

LETS BE 'AVING YAS.
Come on now y'all slowing only -87. Keep up the good work we can get to -100 but you have to try harder, LETS BE 'AVING YAS. Gypo.Joe
  • Score: 10

11:13am Tue 18 Mar 14

sarfflondonbird says...

Gypo.Joe wrote:
Come on now y'all slowing only -87. Keep up the good work we can get to -100 but you have to try harder,

LETS BE 'AVING YAS.
Yawnnnnnnnnnnnnn
[quote][p][bold]Gypo.Joe[/bold] wrote: Come on now y'all slowing only -87. Keep up the good work we can get to -100 but you have to try harder, LETS BE 'AVING YAS.[/p][/quote]Yawnnnnnnnnnnnnn sarfflondonbird
  • Score: -138

11:20am Tue 18 Mar 14

kentlad says...

None of my comments are being posted..... mmmm thanks NS!
None of my comments are being posted..... mmmm thanks NS! kentlad
  • Score: 20

11:54am Tue 18 Mar 14

Gypo.Joe says...

-89 now and I'm saving my vote for later.

Happy days.
-89 now and I'm saving my vote for later. Happy days. Gypo.Joe
  • Score: 4

2:57pm Tue 18 Mar 14

Marty1979 says...

Gypo.Joe wrote:
-89 now and I'm saving my vote for later.

Happy days.
Perhaps everyone should upset GJ by giving him a thumbs up
[quote][p][bold]Gypo.Joe[/bold] wrote: -89 now and I'm saving my vote for later. Happy days.[/p][/quote]Perhaps everyone should upset GJ by giving him a thumbs up Marty1979
  • Score: 14

8:05pm Tue 18 Mar 14

Gypo.Joe says...

Marty1979 wrote:
Gypo.Joe wrote:
-89 now and I'm saving my vote for later.

Happy days.
Perhaps everyone should upset GJ by giving him a thumbs up
Upset me ? Are you sure, don't make me laugh 'Marty'.
[quote][p][bold]Marty1979[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Gypo.Joe[/bold] wrote: -89 now and I'm saving my vote for later. Happy days.[/p][/quote]Perhaps everyone should upset GJ by giving him a thumbs up[/p][/quote]Upset me ? Are you sure, don't make me laugh 'Marty'. Gypo.Joe
  • Score: 217

8:30am Wed 19 Mar 14

kentlad says...

This guy in the pic is one ungly fella i'm surprised he doesnt laugh at himself in the mirror!!!

Got what they deserved!!!
This guy in the pic is one ungly fella i'm surprised he doesnt laugh at himself in the mirror!!! Got what they deserved!!! kentlad
  • Score: 53

4:24pm Wed 19 Mar 14

Gypo.Joe says...

-93, come on peeps don't let Joe boi down at this late stage of the game.

You know y'all luvs me.
-93, come on peeps don't let Joe boi down at this late stage of the game. You know y'all luvs me. Gypo.Joe
  • Score: 280

12:56am Fri 21 Mar 14

Hatersgonnahate says...

reasonable75 wrote:
Gypo.Joe wrote:
I'm still winning -80 and counting.

Gercha you muvers keep 'em coming.
So what's your record - and is it something to be proud of?
Achieving a negative vote of such levels is a strong indication of two things. Foam frothing ukip morans & bnp knuckleheads in between reading page 3 & the sport in the Sun wait for email alerts of new comments & deliberately vote their own comments up under the illusion we care while voting down those that defend racism.
The second reason is because readers of the NS have an extreme right wing ideology of blaming everything wrong with society on minority's.
So who should we blame our woes on, shall we blame it on those that create the problem? No because that would show an ounce of intelligence, let's blame it on those people who don't have a vote, those on minimum wage who have no bearing or influence, must be those peskey immigrants, yes let's blame it on them!
[quote][p][bold]reasonable75[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Gypo.Joe[/bold] wrote: I'm still winning -80 and counting. Gercha you muvers keep 'em coming.[/p][/quote]So what's your record - and is it something to be proud of?[/p][/quote]Achieving a negative vote of such levels is a strong indication of two things. Foam frothing ukip morans & bnp knuckleheads in between reading page 3 & the sport in the Sun wait for email alerts of new comments & deliberately vote their own comments up under the illusion we care while voting down those that defend racism. The second reason is because readers of the NS have an extreme right wing ideology of blaming everything wrong with society on minority's. So who should we blame our woes on, shall we blame it on those that create the problem? No because that would show an ounce of intelligence, let's blame it on those people who don't have a vote, those on minimum wage who have no bearing or influence, must be those peskey immigrants, yes let's blame it on them! Hatersgonnahate
  • Score: -24

1:08am Fri 21 Mar 14

Hatersgonnahate says...

Gypo.Joe wrote:
-93, come on peeps don't let Joe boi down at this late stage of the game.

You know y'all luvs me.
What's so very sad is how a vote of 'hang em' gets 35 yet those defending racism get - 80 odd!
So let's break it down, an innocent man gets tragically murdered by other men who have been convicted & have beyond doubt shown to be brainwashed by an ideology the vast majority of the same faith denounce.
Yet a comment that wants a civilised society to allow two persons to be calculatedly & with malice to be hung! Fail to see the difference, no actually I do see a difference but will allow the brain dead bnp loving morons explain.
Should the murderes of a Muslim returning from prayer who was attacked & murdered a week later in revenge be hung?
Should we hang ex-IRA members for their attacks or is it because they have white skin you have no physical markers to spew your verbal vomit against?
[quote][p][bold]Gypo.Joe[/bold] wrote: -93, come on peeps don't let Joe boi down at this late stage of the game. You know y'all luvs me.[/p][/quote]What's so very sad is how a vote of 'hang em' gets 35 yet those defending racism get - 80 odd! So let's break it down, an innocent man gets tragically murdered by other men who have been convicted & have beyond doubt shown to be brainwashed by an ideology the vast majority of the same faith denounce. Yet a comment that wants a civilised society to allow two persons to be calculatedly & with malice to be hung! Fail to see the difference, no actually I do see a difference but will allow the brain dead bnp loving morons explain. Should the murderes of a Muslim returning from prayer who was attacked & murdered a week later in revenge be hung? Should we hang ex-IRA members for their attacks or is it because they have white skin you have no physical markers to spew your verbal vomit against? Hatersgonnahate
  • Score: -18

1:18am Fri 21 Mar 14

Hatersgonnahate says...

Gypo.Joe wrote:
-93, come on peeps don't let Joe boi down at this late stage of the game.

You know y'all luvs me.
I can only dream of achieving -100 for an anti-racist comment, think
I'm on -83. Odd that the bnp loving clowns fail to comprehend that the more negative comments just confirms our arguments.
My biggest achievement to date is having at least 3-4 comments by someone who has a weird name mimicking a S.London accent ending in bird being removed. How brilliant is that? Don't fight them or feed their bigotry, just get it removed, 'IT' seems very hushed up now thanks to my constant reporting of offensive comments. Let's hope the 'thing' says something in anger & gets arrested.
[quote][p][bold]Gypo.Joe[/bold] wrote: -93, come on peeps don't let Joe boi down at this late stage of the game. You know y'all luvs me.[/p][/quote]I can only dream of achieving -100 for an anti-racist comment, think I'm on -83. Odd that the bnp loving clowns fail to comprehend that the more negative comments just confirms our arguments. My biggest achievement to date is having at least 3-4 comments by someone who has a weird name mimicking a S.London accent ending in bird being removed. How brilliant is that? Don't fight them or feed their bigotry, just get it removed, 'IT' seems very hushed up now thanks to my constant reporting of offensive comments. Let's hope the 'thing' says something in anger & gets arrested. Hatersgonnahate
  • Score: -26

10:53am Fri 21 Mar 14

Gypo.Joe says...

Haters I'm sure the couple of BNP tards who post on here believe we are the same person. We can share the negative votes, how's that for a winning team. We have to include Dr Nick too though.

:)
Haters I'm sure the couple of BNP tards who post on here believe we are the same person. We can share the negative votes, how's that for a winning team. We have to include Dr Nick too though. :) Gypo.Joe
  • Score: 105

7:49pm Sun 23 Mar 14

Gypo.Joe says...

I'm up and down like a whores draws with this negative vote lark. Last time I looked I was over -100 now back to -99 ( change hands. )

THANk yOu
I'm up and down like a whores draws with this negative vote lark. Last time I looked I was over -100 now back to -99 ( change hands. ) THANk yOu Gypo.Joe
  • Score: 54

10:47am Mon 24 Mar 14

Gypo.Joe says...

OUTRAGED.COM
OUTRAGED.COM Gypo.Joe
  • Score: 29

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