Five of the best pie and mash shops in south east London and north Kent

News Shopper: Five of the best pie and mash shops in south east London and north Kent Five of the best pie and mash shops in south east London and north Kent

IT’S a south London thing, the love of pie, mash and liquor. As it was National Pie Week earlier this month, we went on a hunt to find some of the best pie shops the area* has to offer...

Manze’s, Deptford High Street

News Shopper:

When I started to investigate the best pie and mash shops in south east London, at least half a dozen people I asked didn’t even have to think before recommending Manze’s.

Pie and mash is nostalgic fare and that has never been as obvious as here. The white tiled shop is rudimentary and doesn’t appear to have been redecorated in 30-odd years. In a lot of restaurants, that would be overwhelmingly off-putting but at Manze’s it’s part of the charm.

As ever, the transaction was quick with the options more or less limited to combinations of pie, mash and liquor, which were all ready to be served.

It was cheap at £3.20 for pie, mash and liquor. Justifying the recommendations, the pie was a cut above – crisp pastry and a thick pie, densely packed with full-flavoured bef. The liquor was satisfyingly gloopy and herby.

Shop 2

Pastry 4, Filling 5, Mash 3, Liquor 4

Price - 4

Miller's Pie and Mash, Belvedere

News Shopper:

As many designers will tell you, simplicity is beautiful. And so it proved at this pie shop. It's super clean (it's hygiene score on the door is a maximum five) and basic with gleaming white and green tiled walls, old-fashioned bench seats and a startling simple menu, which basically says pie, mash, liquour, eels.

There are no card facilities, but for a cheap feed (£3.40 for pie, mash and liquor) do you really need them. Service from happy, pinafored staff was lightning. Maybe thirty seconds after placing my order, I was back at a table tucking in. It makes fast food look slow.

The pie was meaty with a soft pastry base and a crisp lid which looked like a stressed-wood wardrobe. The smooth mash was a little on the dry side but compensated for by the silky green liquor.

Shop 3
Pastry 3, Filling 4, Mash 3, Liquor 3
Price 4

Cafe Pie n Mash, Hastings Road, Bromley

News Shopper:

In a row of shops down the road from Bromley Common, this shop is unassuming from the outside but pristine, bright and airy inside with giant pictures of the Olympics, London and Routemaster buses.

I felt spoilt by the friendly table service and saarf Landaan banter from the guy in the apron. Though my pie and mash cost just £3.60, it was a little bit of a letdown. The pastry was a tad undercooked and pasta-y while the ground mince filling was sparse and overpowered by the volume of liquor. Once isolated, though, it was rich in flavour.

The liquor was a highlight; turquoise, lush and silky.

Shop 5
Pastry 2, Filling 2, Mash 4, Liquor 5
Price 4

Square Pie, Bluewater

News Shopper:

It was bold of Square Pie to get in touch when they found out about our quest, and I worried it was foolish when I saw they were tucked away in a food court in Bluewater. Did they really expect to compete with South London’s big guns?

Well, this is not a South London-style pie shop. Contrary to the other places we tested for this feature, you can get nine flavours of pie with an array of sides, sauces and drinks.

The counter is stylish, red and modern. The lad in a tidy apron serving me was happy and helpful, though it does all come at a premium. My one scoop of mash, Guinness and steak pie and liquor set me back £5.80.

Getting away from ground mince, the pie benefitted from the stout and also some sweet onion and carrot. It also had puff pastry on top. The slow-cooked beef fell apart.

Sadly though, the pastry was soggy and it was tricky to eat out of the square cardboard box. The liquor was full of parsley.

Shop 3
Pastry 3, Filling 4, Mash 4, Liquor 3
Price 2

Goddard’s at Greenwich, King William Walk, Greenwich


News Shopper: Kane Goddard, Jeff Goddard and Danny Goddard

When Goddard’s announced they were returning to the area a few years ago, the jubilation stopped just short of parties in the street.

Their pie and mash is easily the town centre's top choice for a diner on a budget (everything's under a fiver) and packs in tourists, students, workers and locals all day long. But with two floors of seating and fast, smiley service, you can always get your fill. I plumped for a steak and kidney pie with liquor - though gravy is also available.

The mash was fresh, the pie was chock full of meaty goodness and the pastry was just the right consistency beneath the sharp green liquor. Goddard’s is the daddy.

Shop 4
Pastry 5, Filling 5, Mash 5, Liquor, 5
Price 5

We know south Londoners all have an opinion on this and a favourite of their own. Tell us your view below...

*There are some great pie and mash shops all over London, but we've stuck to five of the best in the News Shopper area of south east London and north Kent. 

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5:42pm Wed 12 Mar 14

sarfflondonbird says...

Scots at Orpington. The fella that cooks in the back reminds me of Ross Kemp. The food is good too.
Goodards is brilliant. It was sorely missed when it closed. Me and my best friend (who sadly isnt here anymore) spent many sundays browsng the area snd visiting Goodards for a good ole pie, mash and liquor.
Scots at Orpington. The fella that cooks in the back reminds me of Ross Kemp. The food is good too. Goodards is brilliant. It was sorely missed when it closed. Me and my best friend (who sadly isnt here anymore) spent many sundays browsng the area snd visiting Goodards for a good ole pie, mash and liquor. sarfflondonbird
  • Score: 16

8:01pm Wed 12 Mar 14

Gypo.Joe says...

Manzes end of story.

Anyone who says different is a plastic sarf Londoner and an imposter.
Manzes end of story. Anyone who says different is a plastic sarf Londoner and an imposter. Gypo.Joe
  • Score: -25

8:13pm Wed 12 Mar 14

FlossyLoo says...

The best pie mash shop is Arments in Walworth South London!
Took my son once to Manzie's he looked at it and said " I am not eating that" the liquor was like jelly, vile!
The best pie mash shop is Arments in Walworth South London! Took my son once to Manzie's he looked at it and said " I am not eating that" the liquor was like jelly, vile! FlossyLoo
  • Score: 23

10:35pm Wed 12 Mar 14

meatlover says...

Where is your reporter from, Mars or further afield ?
Arments,is THE pie shop, I wasn't aware there was any other !
Arments 100% authentic
Arments 100% pure beef none of that rusk stuff
Arments 100% fresh every day
Arments post all over the country super chilled pies which can be frozen on delivery. My kids have them delivered to Yorkshire every month!
Arments 100 years old
Arments 100 years practice
Arments 100 years perfection!
Nuff said
Where is your reporter from, Mars or further afield ? Arments,is THE pie shop, I wasn't aware there was any other ! Arments 100% authentic Arments 100% pure beef none of that rusk stuff Arments 100% fresh every day Arments post all over the country super chilled pies which can be frozen on delivery. My kids have them delivered to Yorkshire every month! Arments 100 years old Arments 100 years practice Arments 100 years perfection! Nuff said meatlover
  • Score: 14

8:09am Thu 13 Mar 14

Rich41 says...

Manzes end of story !!!!
Manzes end of story !!!! Rich41
  • Score: 4

9:43am Thu 13 Mar 14

Jim Palmer says...

Morning Meatlover, I'd have loved to have included Arments (and a few others) but I was restricted to the News Shopper circulation area, hence the rather clunky south east London and north Kent headline. I'll pop a note on the end of the story to that effect. Cheers.
Morning Meatlover, I'd have loved to have included Arments (and a few others) but I was restricted to the News Shopper circulation area, hence the rather clunky south east London and north Kent headline. I'll pop a note on the end of the story to that effect. Cheers. Jim Palmer
  • Score: 12

2:28pm Thu 13 Mar 14

sarfflondonbird says...

Rich41 wrote:
Manzes end of story !!!!
Have to agree here. There area where I was born had and still has a Manzes with sawdust and marble top tables, the food was great and on Saturdays, my older sister would take me (as a little girl) over there for our Saturday lunch. When I moved to another area, again Manzes was nearby, again the same atmosphere and great food, although this time I was alot older and was able to take myself there for a meal. Where I used to work at Bermondsey there was a Manzes, so I was spoilt for choice at the time. But I have to say Scots and Goodards and occasionally the one in Bexleyheath High Street, are my normal haunts for a good pie and mash nowadays. They are just as good.
[quote][p][bold]Rich41[/bold] wrote: Manzes end of story !!!![/p][/quote]Have to agree here. There area where I was born had and still has a Manzes with sawdust and marble top tables, the food was great and on Saturdays, my older sister would take me (as a little girl) over there for our Saturday lunch. When I moved to another area, again Manzes was nearby, again the same atmosphere and great food, although this time I was alot older and was able to take myself there for a meal. Where I used to work at Bermondsey there was a Manzes, so I was spoilt for choice at the time. But I have to say Scots and Goodards and occasionally the one in Bexleyheath High Street, are my normal haunts for a good pie and mash nowadays. They are just as good. sarfflondonbird
  • Score: 7

3:14pm Thu 13 Mar 14

Mr Mills says...

I actually rather enjoy the Pie Shop in Bexleyheath.
I actually rather enjoy the Pie Shop in Bexleyheath. Mr Mills
  • Score: 3

4:45pm Thu 13 Mar 14

Gypo.Joe says...

Manzes, a nice basin of stewed eels put lead in ya pencil boi. Well that's what my old Dad says.
Manzes, a nice basin of stewed eels put lead in ya pencil boi. Well that's what my old Dad says. Gypo.Joe
  • Score: -17

11:58pm Thu 13 Mar 14

Merlinman says...

How can you report on Pie & Mash shops in South London without including Arments Pie & Mash shop in The Walworth Road?!

Iconic!!

'Arments' are in their 100th year of trading and have just been presented with a 'Blue Plaque'.

In lieu of not including 'Arments' I suggest you arrange a visit and write a piece about them!

A very traditional family run business whose product is second to none.
How can you report on Pie & Mash shops in South London without including Arments Pie & Mash shop in The Walworth Road?! Iconic!! 'Arments' are in their 100th year of trading and have just been presented with a 'Blue Plaque'. In lieu of not including 'Arments' I suggest you arrange a visit and write a piece about them! A very traditional family run business whose product is second to none. Merlinman
  • Score: 3

12:35am Fri 14 Mar 14

meatlover says...

Mr Mills wrote:
I actually rather enjoy the Pie Shop in Bexleyheath.
if you enjoy Bexleyheaths pie shop you've got a real treat waiting to be discovered next time your up the walworth road.
It comes in the shape of Arments
A taste to travel for !!!
On the other hand you only say you like the shop in Bexleyheath, you dont mention their food !!!
Perhaps that says it all
[quote][p][bold]Mr Mills[/bold] wrote: I actually rather enjoy the Pie Shop in Bexleyheath.[/p][/quote]if you enjoy Bexleyheaths pie shop you've got a real treat waiting to be discovered next time your up the walworth road. It comes in the shape of Arments A taste to travel for !!! On the other hand you only say you like the shop in Bexleyheath, you dont mention their food !!! Perhaps that says it all meatlover
  • Score: 4

8:58am Fri 14 Mar 14

dizzy13 says...

The one in Bexleyheath isn't bad, and there is one in Welling, and Blackfen. Better then that rubbish place in Bluewater.

Arments and Manzies are both good, the first one probably beats the second.

BUT

How do you eat your pie? Crust up or down....the answer will tell us if your serious or not.
The one in Bexleyheath isn't bad, and there is one in Welling, and Blackfen. Better then that rubbish place in Bluewater. Arments and Manzies are both good, the first one probably beats the second. BUT How do you eat your pie? Crust up or down....the answer will tell us if your serious or not. dizzy13
  • Score: 5

10:38am Fri 14 Mar 14

Gypo.Joe says...

I try to avoid the Walworth Road if I can, too many bad memories of Carter Street if ya know what I mean. Me brief is in Walworth Road though so I slip in and out to see him as quick as poss and then back to me own manor and Manzes
I try to avoid the Walworth Road if I can, too many bad memories of Carter Street if ya know what I mean. Me brief is in Walworth Road though so I slip in and out to see him as quick as poss and then back to me own manor and Manzes Gypo.Joe
  • Score: -17

5:56pm Fri 14 Mar 14

TallGingerBird says...

I'm not sure how you can score Goddards with a 5 for their filling. Their beef is minced so finely that it's barely discernable as meat! Horrible tourist trap trading on the fine name of a decent pie & mash.
I'm not sure how you can score Goddards with a 5 for their filling. Their beef is minced so finely that it's barely discernable as meat! Horrible tourist trap trading on the fine name of a decent pie & mash. TallGingerBird
  • Score: 3

8:38pm Fri 14 Mar 14

FlossyLoo says...

dizzy13 wrote:
The one in Bexleyheath isn't bad, and there is one in Welling, and Blackfen. Better then that rubbish place in Bluewater.

Arments and Manzies are both good, the first one probably beats the second.

BUT

How do you eat your pie? Crust up or down....the answer will tell us if your serious or not.
I prefer my crust down, everyone has there own way of eating pie mash though,
[quote][p][bold]dizzy13[/bold] wrote: The one in Bexleyheath isn't bad, and there is one in Welling, and Blackfen. Better then that rubbish place in Bluewater. Arments and Manzies are both good, the first one probably beats the second. BUT How do you eat your pie? Crust up or down....the answer will tell us if your serious or not.[/p][/quote]I prefer my crust down, everyone has there own way of eating pie mash though, FlossyLoo
  • Score: 4

2:04pm Tue 18 Mar 14

C¥dne¥ says...

Don't even know why Bluewater is listed as a pie and mash shop!

Arments is the best! But have to say when I'm not down that end i go in bexleyheath one which aint bad or the chip shop in dartford near mcd's do pie and mash liquor when you eat in !
Don't even know why Bluewater is listed as a pie and mash shop! Arments is the best! But have to say when I'm not down that end i go in bexleyheath one which aint bad or the chip shop in dartford near mcd's do pie and mash liquor when you eat in ! C¥dne¥
  • Score: 0

5:03pm Sat 29 Mar 14

Orpington_Man says...

sarfflondonbird wrote:
Scots at Orpington. The fella that cooks in the back reminds me of Ross Kemp. The food is good too.
Goodards is brilliant. It was sorely missed when it closed. Me and my best friend (who sadly isnt here anymore) spent many sundays browsng the area snd visiting Goodards for a good ole pie, mash and liquor.
I completely agree with your comment about Scotts pie and mash in Orpington and also there other shop down in the Cray! I have tried many different shops over the years and have to say Scotts comes out on top!
Lovely pies and nice liquor!
[quote][p][bold]sarfflondonbird[/bold] wrote: Scots at Orpington. The fella that cooks in the back reminds me of Ross Kemp. The food is good too. Goodards is brilliant. It was sorely missed when it closed. Me and my best friend (who sadly isnt here anymore) spent many sundays browsng the area snd visiting Goodards for a good ole pie, mash and liquor.[/p][/quote]I completely agree with your comment about Scotts pie and mash in Orpington and also there other shop down in the Cray! I have tried many different shops over the years and have to say Scotts comes out on top! Lovely pies and nice liquor! Orpington_Man
  • Score: 0

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