Bromley Conservative councillor Julian Grainger speaks out on UKIP switch

Bromley Conservative councillor Julian Grainger speaks out on UKIP switch

Julian Grainger with UKIP leader Nigel Farage.

Councillor Grainger speaking at the UKIP Spring conference last Friday.

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Bromley Conservative councillor Julian Grainger has spoken out about his decision to switch to UKIP.

Councillor Grainger, of the Chelsfield and Pratts Bottom ward, confirmed last week that he will be seeking re-election in the May borough elections as a UKIP councillor.

He said: "I am delighted to join UKIP and support its common sense policies.

"UKIP believes in true localism - not just bringing home decisions from Brussels but encouraging more local decision-making."

Councillor Grainger explained his switch, saying: "There is more than one reason - but the disconnect between local voters and the party leadership was a big factor.

"A key milestone was David Cameron's Bloomberg speech where he ended by declaring that he would 'campaign heart and soul' to stay in the EU - an astonishing way to negotiate the future of our country."

He added: "I was given a warm welcome by Nigel Farage."

 

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1:48pm Tue 4 Mar 14

Barra boy says...

Yas an ya nicking the BNPers slogans as well cos ya cant think of any yaselfs! tell farage ta git his teeth done; they us dirty and crooked like grave stone innit boi!
Yas an ya nicking the BNPers slogans as well cos ya cant think of any yaselfs! tell farage ta git his teeth done; they us dirty and crooked like grave stone innit boi! Barra boy
  • Score: -33

2:38pm Tue 4 Mar 14

Dr John Smith says...

I am glad to see another person join the swelling ranks of the UKIP.

I hope that many more sensible people will join in future.
I am glad to see another person join the swelling ranks of the UKIP. I hope that many more sensible people will join in future. Dr John Smith
  • Score: 32

2:44pm Tue 4 Mar 14

goldenbroomboy says...

Dr John Smith wrote:
I am glad to see another person join the swelling ranks of the UKIP. I hope that many more sensible people will join in future.
As opposed to all the loonies who constitute the present membership?
[quote][p][bold]Dr John Smith[/bold] wrote: I am glad to see another person join the swelling ranks of the UKIP. I hope that many more sensible people will join in future.[/p][/quote]As opposed to all the loonies who constitute the present membership? goldenbroomboy
  • Score: -18

4:42pm Tue 4 Mar 14

SidcupResident says...

Many more Tories will be switching to UKIP after they European election.

The Conservative party membership has collapsed since the general election, and Cameron has nobody to blame but himself. The Conservative party might as well just call themselves Blue Labour....
Many more Tories will be switching to UKIP after they European election. The Conservative party membership has collapsed since the general election, and Cameron has nobody to blame but himself. The Conservative party might as well just call themselves Blue Labour.... SidcupResident
  • Score: 21

6:27pm Tue 4 Mar 14

Dr John Smith says...

goldenbroomboy wrote:
Dr John Smith wrote:
I am glad to see another person join the swelling ranks of the UKIP. I hope that many more sensible people will join in future.
As opposed to all the loonies who constitute the present membership?
There are one or two loonies, for sure - but no more than in other parties.

Look at the arrest of Patrick Rock, one of Cameron's closest aides, for instance. Arrested on suspicion of offences relating to child ****. There are lots of examples of loonies and criminals from con/lab/lib, aren't there. Whats-his-name - perverting the course of justice. The loon who transferred from the conservatives and claimed the floods were "due to gay marriage". Labour people arrested for criminally fiddling their expenses.

They're being weeded out. At least they *are* being weeded out of UKIP.
[quote][p][bold]goldenbroomboy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dr John Smith[/bold] wrote: I am glad to see another person join the swelling ranks of the UKIP. I hope that many more sensible people will join in future.[/p][/quote]As opposed to all the loonies who constitute the present membership?[/p][/quote]There are one or two loonies, for sure - but no more than in other parties. Look at the arrest of Patrick Rock, one of Cameron's closest aides, for instance. Arrested on suspicion of offences relating to child ****. There are lots of examples of loonies and criminals from con/lab/lib, aren't there. Whats-his-name - perverting the course of justice. The loon who transferred from the conservatives and claimed the floods were "due to gay marriage". Labour people arrested for criminally fiddling their expenses. They're being weeded out. At least they *are* being weeded out of UKIP. Dr John Smith
  • Score: 14

8:12pm Tue 4 Mar 14

Petras says...

goldenbroomboy wrote:
Dr John Smith wrote:
I am glad to see another person join the swelling ranks of the UKIP. I hope that many more sensible people will join in future.
As opposed to all the loonies who constitute the present membership?
Don't worry. Grainger certainly fits the loony bit. He won't let UKIP down in that respect.
[quote][p][bold]goldenbroomboy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dr John Smith[/bold] wrote: I am glad to see another person join the swelling ranks of the UKIP. I hope that many more sensible people will join in future.[/p][/quote]As opposed to all the loonies who constitute the present membership?[/p][/quote]Don't worry. Grainger certainly fits the loony bit. He won't let UKIP down in that respect. Petras
  • Score: -12

8:25pm Tue 4 Mar 14

Eagles_Man says...

"A key milestone was David Cameron's Bloomberg speech where he ended by declaring that he would 'campaign heart and soul' to stay in the EU".

I can see Cllr. Grainger's point and I agree with him. But...that was in January 2013, before he (I'm told) decided to put himself forward for re-selection as a Tory. Why did he wait until he was de-selected before jumping over to UKIP?
"A key milestone was David Cameron's Bloomberg speech where he ended by declaring that he would 'campaign heart and soul' to stay in the EU". I can see Cllr. Grainger's point and I agree with him. But...that was in January 2013, before he (I'm told) decided to put himself forward for re-selection as a Tory. Why did he wait until he was de-selected before jumping over to UKIP? Eagles_Man
  • Score: 4

9:52pm Tue 4 Mar 14

Petras says...

Eagles_Man wrote:
"A key milestone was David Cameron's Bloomberg speech where he ended by declaring that he would 'campaign heart and soul' to stay in the EU".

I can see Cllr. Grainger's point and I agree with him. But...that was in January 2013, before he (I'm told) decided to put himself forward for re-selection as a Tory. Why did he wait until he was de-selected before jumping over to UKIP?
Not only did he put himself forward in Orpington after they rejected him he approached Beckenham Conservatives to try there. Again he wasn't selected. Then he appealed to Conservative HQ. They showed him the door too. As recently as December he was trying to persuade Orpington Conservatives to change their mind. He failed. Then at the end of a February he announces he's joining UKIP. Virtually a full 12 months after the Bloomberg speech and repeated attempts to be a conservative candidate. As I said earlier he will fit well with the other UKIP loonies.

And despite all this, and being elected as Conservative Councillor he doesn't resign because he likes his council salary too much.
[quote][p][bold]Eagles_Man[/bold] wrote: "A key milestone was David Cameron's Bloomberg speech where he ended by declaring that he would 'campaign heart and soul' to stay in the EU". I can see Cllr. Grainger's point and I agree with him. But...that was in January 2013, before he (I'm told) decided to put himself forward for re-selection as a Tory. Why did he wait until he was de-selected before jumping over to UKIP?[/p][/quote]Not only did he put himself forward in Orpington after they rejected him he approached Beckenham Conservatives to try there. Again he wasn't selected. Then he appealed to Conservative HQ. They showed him the door too. As recently as December he was trying to persuade Orpington Conservatives to change their mind. He failed. Then at the end of a February he announces he's joining UKIP. Virtually a full 12 months after the Bloomberg speech and repeated attempts to be a conservative candidate. As I said earlier he will fit well with the other UKIP loonies. And despite all this, and being elected as Conservative Councillor he doesn't resign because he likes his council salary too much. Petras
  • Score: -4

12:53am Wed 5 Mar 14

De-Con says...

Petras
You're clearly a Tory insider - but not from Orpington.

"Orpington .... rejected him...."
His branch wanted him.
If you know so much, can you say why the Constituency over-ruled the branch members?

" he approached Beckenham Conservatives to try there. Again he wasn't selected. "
WRONG. Beckenham approved him as being suitable to stand - but as he did not apply for a seat he couldn't be selected.


Eagles_Man says...
"Why did he wait until he was de-selected before jumping over to UKIP?"
As above - he wasn't "deselected" by his branch.
The Constituency failed to approve him on (I'm told) spurious grounds.
Perhaps getting approved by Beckenham constituency was a way of demonstrating bizarre goings-on in Orpington.

In any case there are still plenty of Conservative activists who have lost faith in Cameron, and could find a home in UKIP. They just haven't had their personal final straw yet.
Petras You're clearly a Tory insider - but not from Orpington. "Orpington .... rejected him...." His branch wanted him. If you know so much, can you say why the Constituency over-ruled the branch members? " he approached Beckenham Conservatives to try there. Again he wasn't selected. " WRONG. Beckenham approved him as being suitable to stand - but as he did not apply for a seat he couldn't be selected. Eagles_Man says... "Why did he wait until he was de-selected before jumping over to UKIP?" As above - he wasn't "deselected" by his branch. The Constituency failed to approve him on (I'm told) spurious grounds. Perhaps getting approved by Beckenham constituency was a way of demonstrating bizarre goings-on in Orpington. In any case there are still plenty of Conservative activists who have lost faith in Cameron, and could find a home in UKIP. They just haven't had their personal final straw yet. De-Con
  • Score: 10

1:24am Wed 5 Mar 14

Councillor Nicholas Bennett says...

Cllr Grainger was not approved to be a Conservative candidate for the 2014 elections by the Orpington Association after he failed to sign the undertaking which all prospective candidates are required to adhere to. He applied to the Beckenham Conservative Association and this time agreed to sign the undertaking. He applied for the Kelsey and Eden Park Ward but withdrew the day before the selection. Something which 'De Con' knows from direct knowledge as it is Cllr Grainger or a relative who is posting under this name.

Last Monday, February 24th, he attended the full meeting of the Council as a Conservative councillor, he gave no indication that he had any doubts about membership of the party and indeed had taken full part in Conservative Group meetings nor, I have to say, has he expressed any concerns about the Conservative promise, that, if we win the General Election next year that we will hold a referendum on European membership in 2017.

Yet, without any notice to his Association or the Conservative Leader, 72 hours or so later he is on the platform at the at the UKIP conference in Torbay.

It is for Cllr Grainger to examine his own conscience about his behaviour but, like a number of others who have defected to UKIP after failing to be reselected, it would appear that he sees everybody as out of step but him.

UKIP has become haven for a rag tag collection of defectors whose egos and ambitions outstrip their willingness to accept that government is not about simple slogans but finding sensible, balanced solutions to often complex issues. UKIP is a one trick pony which has no policies for the future of our borough.
Cllr Grainger was not approved to be a Conservative candidate for the 2014 elections by the Orpington Association after he failed to sign the undertaking which all prospective candidates are required to adhere to. He applied to the Beckenham Conservative Association and this time agreed to sign the undertaking. He applied for the Kelsey and Eden Park Ward but withdrew the day before the selection. Something which 'De Con' knows from direct knowledge as it is Cllr Grainger or a relative who is posting under this name. Last Monday, February 24th, he attended the full meeting of the Council as a Conservative councillor, he gave no indication that he had any doubts about membership of the party and indeed had taken full part in Conservative Group meetings nor, I have to say, has he expressed any concerns about the Conservative promise, that, if we win the General Election next year that we will hold a referendum on European membership in 2017. Yet, without any notice to his Association or the Conservative Leader, 72 hours or so later he is on the platform at the at the UKIP conference in Torbay. It is for Cllr Grainger to examine his own conscience about his behaviour but, like a number of others who have defected to UKIP after failing to be reselected, it would appear that he sees everybody as out of step but him. UKIP has become haven for a rag tag collection of defectors whose egos and ambitions outstrip their willingness to accept that government is not about simple slogans but finding sensible, balanced solutions to often complex issues. UKIP is a one trick pony which has no policies for the future of our borough. Councillor Nicholas Bennett
  • Score: -16

7:33am Wed 5 Mar 14

goldenbroomboy says...

Petras wrote:
goldenbroomboy wrote:
Dr John Smith wrote: I am glad to see another person join the swelling ranks of the UKIP. I hope that many more sensible people will join in future.
As opposed to all the loonies who constitute the present membership?
Don't worry. Grainger certainly fits the loony bit. He won't let UKIP down in that respect.
Julian has seen fit to walk away from the most consistently successful political party that Western Europe has known, so as to join a ragbag of fruitcakes.

That is his business. My concern is what UKIP councillors would actually do in office? Ranting about the EU is of no use when discussing setting school meal budgets. If UKIP really are libertarians, then presumably they would be rubber stamping each and every planning application that gets on the table. Since we only have elections every four years, that could mean Bromley borough in 2018 would look like a bigger version of the concrete and tarmac nightmare that is now Bexley. That is why I have no intention of voting for UKIP.
[quote][p][bold]Petras[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]goldenbroomboy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dr John Smith[/bold] wrote: I am glad to see another person join the swelling ranks of the UKIP. I hope that many more sensible people will join in future.[/p][/quote]As opposed to all the loonies who constitute the present membership?[/p][/quote]Don't worry. Grainger certainly fits the loony bit. He won't let UKIP down in that respect.[/p][/quote]Julian has seen fit to walk away from the most consistently successful political party that Western Europe has known, so as to join a ragbag of fruitcakes. That is his business. My concern is what UKIP councillors would actually do in office? Ranting about the EU is of no use when discussing setting school meal budgets. If UKIP really are libertarians, then presumably they would be rubber stamping each and every planning application that gets on the table. Since we only have elections every four years, that could mean Bromley borough in 2018 would look like a bigger version of the concrete and tarmac nightmare that is now Bexley. That is why I have no intention of voting for UKIP. goldenbroomboy
  • Score: -6

8:07am Wed 5 Mar 14

Frank Brock says...

It doesn't matter whether he is Tory, UKIP, Labour or Monster Raving Loony.
They all sign up to our undemocratic political system which is designed not to change anything, and they all support the awful monarchy which should have been done away with decades ago.
It doesn't matter whether he is Tory, UKIP, Labour or Monster Raving Loony. They all sign up to our undemocratic political system which is designed not to change anything, and they all support the awful monarchy which should have been done away with decades ago. Frank Brock
  • Score: 1

4:02pm Wed 5 Mar 14

De-Con says...

Cllr Bennett - another person from outside Orpington who believes what he was told by Orpington Tory leadership.

"Cllr Grainger was not approved to be a Conservative candidate for the 2014 elections by the Orpington Association after he failed to sign the undertaking which all prospective candidates are required to adhere to."
WRONG.
He showed me the original form signed and unamended.

If you know the REAL reason why not say so? If you don't know, keep quiet.
Cllr Bennett - another person from outside Orpington who believes what he was told by Orpington Tory leadership. "Cllr Grainger was not approved to be a Conservative candidate for the 2014 elections by the Orpington Association after he failed to sign the undertaking which all prospective candidates are required to adhere to." WRONG. He showed me the original form signed and unamended. If you know the REAL reason why not say so? If you don't know, keep quiet. De-Con
  • Score: -1

4:13pm Wed 5 Mar 14

De-Con says...

goldenbroomboy wrote:
Petras wrote:
goldenbroomboy wrote:
Dr John Smith wrote: I am glad to see another person join the swelling ranks of the UKIP. I hope that many more sensible people will join in future.
As opposed to all the loonies who constitute the present membership?
Don't worry. Grainger certainly fits the loony bit. He won't let UKIP down in that respect.
Julian has seen fit to walk away from the most consistently successful political party that Western Europe has known, so as to join a ragbag of fruitcakes. That is his business. My concern is what UKIP councillors would actually do in office? Ranting about the EU is of no use when discussing setting school meal budgets. If UKIP really are libertarians, then presumably they would be rubber stamping each and every planning application that gets on the table. Since we only have elections every four years, that could mean Bromley borough in 2018 would look like a bigger version of the concrete and tarmac nightmare that is now Bexley. That is why I have no intention of voting for UKIP.
It's the Tories that can't be trusted on Planning and the Greenbelt.
It starts with allowing 8 metre house extensions with no or minimal restraint - even in a 12 metre garden !

On Greenbelt, Goldenbroomboy confuses libertarian with anarchist..
The former accepts the need for some rules, the latter believes in no rules (or at least no government).
No libertarian I know believes in harming others - so why would a libertarian "rubber-stamp each and every planning application"?
[quote][p][bold]goldenbroomboy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Petras[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]goldenbroomboy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dr John Smith[/bold] wrote: I am glad to see another person join the swelling ranks of the UKIP. I hope that many more sensible people will join in future.[/p][/quote]As opposed to all the loonies who constitute the present membership?[/p][/quote]Don't worry. Grainger certainly fits the loony bit. He won't let UKIP down in that respect.[/p][/quote]Julian has seen fit to walk away from the most consistently successful political party that Western Europe has known, so as to join a ragbag of fruitcakes. That is his business. My concern is what UKIP councillors would actually do in office? Ranting about the EU is of no use when discussing setting school meal budgets. If UKIP really are libertarians, then presumably they would be rubber stamping each and every planning application that gets on the table. Since we only have elections every four years, that could mean Bromley borough in 2018 would look like a bigger version of the concrete and tarmac nightmare that is now Bexley. That is why I have no intention of voting for UKIP.[/p][/quote]It's the Tories that can't be trusted on Planning and the Greenbelt. It starts with allowing 8 metre house extensions with no or minimal restraint - even in a 12 metre garden ! On Greenbelt, Goldenbroomboy confuses libertarian with anarchist.. The former accepts the need for some rules, the latter believes in no rules (or at least no government). No libertarian I know believes in harming others - so why would a libertarian "rubber-stamp each and every planning application"? De-Con
  • Score: -2

7:47am Thu 6 Mar 14

goldenbroomboy says...

De-Con wrote:
goldenbroomboy wrote:
Petras wrote:
goldenbroomboy wrote:
Dr John Smith wrote: I am glad to see another person join the swelling ranks of the UKIP. I hope that many more sensible people will join in future.
As opposed to all the loonies who constitute the present membership?
Don't worry. Grainger certainly fits the loony bit. He won't let UKIP down in that respect.
Julian has seen fit to walk away from the most consistently successful political party that Western Europe has known, so as to join a ragbag of fruitcakes. That is his business. My concern is what UKIP councillors would actually do in office? Ranting about the EU is of no use when discussing setting school meal budgets. If UKIP really are libertarians, then presumably they would be rubber stamping each and every planning application that gets on the table. Since we only have elections every four years, that could mean Bromley borough in 2018 would look like a bigger version of the concrete and tarmac nightmare that is now Bexley. That is why I have no intention of voting for UKIP.
It's the Tories that can't be trusted on Planning and the Greenbelt. It starts with allowing 8 metre house extensions with no or minimal restraint - even in a 12 metre garden ! On Greenbelt, Goldenbroomboy confuses libertarian with anarchist.. The former accepts the need for some rules, the latter believes in no rules (or at least no government). No libertarian I know believes in harming others - so why would a libertarian "rubber-stamp each and every planning application"?
Quite simply a libertarian believes that a person can do what he or she wants with his or her property & money. The opinions of others do not matter.
[quote][p][bold]De-Con[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]goldenbroomboy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Petras[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]goldenbroomboy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dr John Smith[/bold] wrote: I am glad to see another person join the swelling ranks of the UKIP. I hope that many more sensible people will join in future.[/p][/quote]As opposed to all the loonies who constitute the present membership?[/p][/quote]Don't worry. Grainger certainly fits the loony bit. He won't let UKIP down in that respect.[/p][/quote]Julian has seen fit to walk away from the most consistently successful political party that Western Europe has known, so as to join a ragbag of fruitcakes. That is his business. My concern is what UKIP councillors would actually do in office? Ranting about the EU is of no use when discussing setting school meal budgets. If UKIP really are libertarians, then presumably they would be rubber stamping each and every planning application that gets on the table. Since we only have elections every four years, that could mean Bromley borough in 2018 would look like a bigger version of the concrete and tarmac nightmare that is now Bexley. That is why I have no intention of voting for UKIP.[/p][/quote]It's the Tories that can't be trusted on Planning and the Greenbelt. It starts with allowing 8 metre house extensions with no or minimal restraint - even in a 12 metre garden ! On Greenbelt, Goldenbroomboy confuses libertarian with anarchist.. The former accepts the need for some rules, the latter believes in no rules (or at least no government). No libertarian I know believes in harming others - so why would a libertarian "rubber-stamp each and every planning application"?[/p][/quote]Quite simply a libertarian believes that a person can do what he or she wants with his or her property & money. The opinions of others do not matter. goldenbroomboy
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