Nigel Farage 'felt awkward' on Southeastern train from London to Kent because he couldn't hear English being spoken

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UKIP leader Nigel Farage says he felt 'awkward' because he could hear no English being spoken while on a Southeastern train from London to Kent.

Mr Farage described described how he was on his way home when he went several stops without hearing his native tongue.

Speaking at his party’s annual conference in Torquay, Mr Farage said: ‘It was rush hour, from Charing Cross, it was the stopper going out.

"We stopped at London Bridge, New Cross, Hither Green.

"‘It wasn’t until after we got past Grove Park that I could actually hear English being audibly spoken in the carriage. Does that make me feel slightly awkward? Yes.

"I wonder what’s really going on. And I’m sure that’s a view that will be reflected by three quarters of the population, perhaps even more."

Mr Farage insisted he was not anti-immigration but said Britain should be able to limit the ‘quality and quantity’ of migrants. While he denied wanting people to be forced to speak English, he said the challenge of integration was ‘very, very important’.

His comments followed a provocative speech in which he claimed some areas of Britain are being ‘taken over’ by migrants, while others have become ‘frankly unrecognisable’.

They came a day after figures showed a significant rise in net migration.

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9:36am Mon 3 Mar 14

kentlad says...

Nigel Farage not sure what you are trying to say??? did you not know that English is not the UK's main language hasn't been for many years now!!!
Nigel Farage not sure what you are trying to say??? did you not know that English is not the UK's main language hasn't been for many years now!!! kentlad
  • Score: 214

9:36am Mon 3 Mar 14

SidcupResident says...

He should've got on a tube or a bus. He would have heard even less English!
He should've got on a tube or a bus. He would have heard even less English! SidcupResident
  • Score: 209

9:38am Mon 3 Mar 14

SidcupResident says...

kentlad wrote:
Nigel Farage not sure what you are trying to say??? did you not know that English is not the UK's main language hasn't been for many years now!!!
I have to say it does surprise me how it takes politicians 20+ years to catch up with Joe public.
[quote][p][bold]kentlad[/bold] wrote: Nigel Farage not sure what you are trying to say??? did you not know that English is not the UK's main language hasn't been for many years now!!![/p][/quote]I have to say it does surprise me how it takes politicians 20+ years to catch up with Joe public. SidcupResident
  • Score: 219

9:44am Mon 3 Mar 14

Dr. Nick says...

Not as awkward as the other passengers must have felt having to share a train with this idiot - what rubbish is he going to make up next? I travel on those trains all the time and you do hear English a lot, anyway does it even matter? If he doesn't like it he shouldn't be on our trains. Why was he not in his nice 'foreign' built car anyway?

Personally I would have pulled the emergency cord and reported him under the "something suspicious" column - he should be deported imho. Idiot.
Not as awkward as the other passengers must have felt having to share a train with this idiot - what rubbish is he going to make up next? I travel on those trains all the time and you do hear English a lot, anyway does it even matter? If he doesn't like it he shouldn't be on our trains. Why was he not in his nice 'foreign' built car anyway? Personally I would have pulled the emergency cord and reported him under the "something suspicious" column - he should be deported imho. Idiot. Dr. Nick
  • Score: -110

10:07am Mon 3 Mar 14

white rabbit9 says...

Been the plan all along to destroy Britain. NEW WORLD ORDER ahead, destroy sovereignty, destroy the royalty and all the common laws so all we have is corporation laws (business(corporatio
ns) before people. It's closing in and to change it is simple. become aware of it.
Been the plan all along to destroy Britain. NEW WORLD ORDER ahead, destroy sovereignty, destroy the royalty and all the common laws so all we have is corporation laws (business(corporatio ns) before people. It's closing in and to change it is simple. become aware of it. white rabbit9
  • Score: 72

10:10am Mon 3 Mar 14

iainwarren says...

Then go and live in a small town instead of one of the most multicultural cities in the world! Personally I'm proud to live in a country AND city that attracts people from all over the world
Then go and live in a small town instead of one of the most multicultural cities in the world! Personally I'm proud to live in a country AND city that attracts people from all over the world iainwarren
  • Score: -90

10:40am Mon 3 Mar 14

The Fozziest of Bears says...

iainwarren wrote:
Then go and live in a small town instead of one of the most multicultural cities in the world! Personally I'm proud to live in a country AND city that attracts people from all over the world
I wonder how proud you will be when you have to wait a month for a doctor's appointment, 6 months for a hospital appointment, travel 20 miles for a primary school place for your grandchildren, and finally are kept for 6 months in the deep freeze because there are no burial plots left.

Britain is overcrowded - stop all immigration now, so we can try and recover in the next 50 years. It is nonsense in an overpopulated world, that an advanced country like ours has an open-door policy on EU migration.

We need doctors and engineers - not scrap metal collectors from Romania.
[quote][p][bold]iainwarren[/bold] wrote: Then go and live in a small town instead of one of the most multicultural cities in the world! Personally I'm proud to live in a country AND city that attracts people from all over the world[/p][/quote]I wonder how proud you will be when you have to wait a month for a doctor's appointment, 6 months for a hospital appointment, travel 20 miles for a primary school place for your grandchildren, and finally are kept for 6 months in the deep freeze because there are no burial plots left. Britain is overcrowded - stop all immigration now, so we can try and recover in the next 50 years. It is nonsense in an overpopulated world, that an advanced country like ours has an open-door policy on EU migration. We need doctors and engineers - not scrap metal collectors from Romania. The Fozziest of Bears
  • Score: 137

10:43am Mon 3 Mar 14

sarfflondonbird says...

Was using peasant (sorry...pubic) transport yesterday to get to 'trendy' shoreditch to watch my daughter in law sing in the choir there. Didn't encounter that many white English speaking people whilst observing the potential pick pockets....There certainly were a number of suspects to be seen on trains, and not many trendy white English speaking people to be seen at the markets, either buying or selling. It was our little group that were made to feel like the outsiders in our own country, shouldn't be like that.
Was using peasant (sorry...pubic) transport yesterday to get to 'trendy' shoreditch to watch my daughter in law sing in the choir there. Didn't encounter that many white English speaking people whilst observing the potential pick pockets....There certainly were a number of suspects to be seen on trains, and not many trendy white English speaking people to be seen at the markets, either buying or selling. It was our little group that were made to feel like the outsiders in our own country, shouldn't be like that. sarfflondonbird
  • Score: 109

10:59am Mon 3 Mar 14

Gypo.Joe says...

"We need doctors and engineers - not scrap metal collectors from Romania."

Exactly. The EU is fine BUT we need to go back to what we originally signed up for....a common market. NOT the socialist republic of Europe with open borders and our taxes paying all sorts of benefits too the dregs of every nation.
"We need doctors and engineers - not scrap metal collectors from Romania." Exactly. The EU is fine BUT we need to go back to what we originally signed up for....a common market. NOT the socialist republic of Europe with open borders and our taxes paying all sorts of benefits too the dregs of every nation. Gypo.Joe
  • Score: -34

11:35am Mon 3 Mar 14

Dr. Nick says...

The Fozziest of Bears wrote:
iainwarren wrote:
Then go and live in a small town instead of one of the most multicultural cities in the world! Personally I'm proud to live in a country AND city that attracts people from all over the world
I wonder how proud you will be when you have to wait a month for a doctor's appointment, 6 months for a hospital appointment, travel 20 miles for a primary school place for your grandchildren, and finally are kept for 6 months in the deep freeze because there are no burial plots left.

Britain is overcrowded - stop all immigration now, so we can try and recover in the next 50 years. It is nonsense in an overpopulated world, that an advanced country like ours has an open-door policy on EU migration.

We need doctors and engineers - not scrap metal collectors from Romania.
And that's just the tip of the ice burgh. You forgot to mention all the Global Warming caused by the influx of so many people... no wonder more people are leaving this country than are coming in.
[quote][p][bold]The Fozziest of Bears[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]iainwarren[/bold] wrote: Then go and live in a small town instead of one of the most multicultural cities in the world! Personally I'm proud to live in a country AND city that attracts people from all over the world[/p][/quote]I wonder how proud you will be when you have to wait a month for a doctor's appointment, 6 months for a hospital appointment, travel 20 miles for a primary school place for your grandchildren, and finally are kept for 6 months in the deep freeze because there are no burial plots left. Britain is overcrowded - stop all immigration now, so we can try and recover in the next 50 years. It is nonsense in an overpopulated world, that an advanced country like ours has an open-door policy on EU migration. We need doctors and engineers - not scrap metal collectors from Romania.[/p][/quote]And that's just the tip of the ice burgh. You forgot to mention all the Global Warming caused by the influx of so many people... no wonder more people are leaving this country than are coming in. Dr. Nick
  • Score: -60

11:43am Mon 3 Mar 14

Gypo.Joe says...

" Global Warming " LOL

Are you self medicating Dr Nick ?
" Global Warming " LOL Are you self medicating Dr Nick ? Gypo.Joe
  • Score: -54

11:48am Mon 3 Mar 14

Dr. Nick says...

Gypo.Joe wrote:
" Global Warming " LOL

Are you self medicating Dr Nick ?
Indeed I am. Just trying to get into the spirit of things on here - you know the biggest problem with Johnny Foreigner? They just don't understand our culture. I mean I was in one of 'their' corner shops the other day and I could not for the life of me find a "Happy Birthday Uncle Dad" card - they just don't understand our culture do they!

Right, I'm off for a walk... or as we say in our English culture 'a knuckle drag'...
[quote][p][bold]Gypo.Joe[/bold] wrote: " Global Warming " LOL Are you self medicating Dr Nick ?[/p][/quote]Indeed I am. Just trying to get into the spirit of things on here - you know the biggest problem with Johnny Foreigner? They just don't understand our culture. I mean I was in one of 'their' corner shops the other day and I could not for the life of me find a "Happy Birthday Uncle Dad" card - they just don't understand our culture do they! Right, I'm off for a walk... or as we say in our English culture 'a knuckle drag'... Dr. Nick
  • Score: -61

11:57am Mon 3 Mar 14

Gypo.Joe says...

Dr. Nick wrote:
Gypo.Joe wrote:
" Global Warming " LOL

Are you self medicating Dr Nick ?
Indeed I am. Just trying to get into the spirit of things on here - you know the biggest problem with Johnny Foreigner? They just don't understand our culture. I mean I was in one of 'their' corner shops the other day and I could not for the life of me find a "Happy Birthday Uncle Dad" card - they just don't understand our culture do they!

Right, I'm off for a walk... or as we say in our English culture 'a knuckle drag'...
Oh yes Mr Petals corner shop, must only be used for a packet of fags, the Daily Wail or the Sun and when the munchies start out of normal shop hours.

Of course one can always find a card there for the Mahatmas birthday.
[quote][p][bold]Dr. Nick[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Gypo.Joe[/bold] wrote: " Global Warming " LOL Are you self medicating Dr Nick ?[/p][/quote]Indeed I am. Just trying to get into the spirit of things on here - you know the biggest problem with Johnny Foreigner? They just don't understand our culture. I mean I was in one of 'their' corner shops the other day and I could not for the life of me find a "Happy Birthday Uncle Dad" card - they just don't understand our culture do they! Right, I'm off for a walk... or as we say in our English culture 'a knuckle drag'...[/p][/quote]Oh yes Mr Petals corner shop, must only be used for a packet of fags, the Daily Wail or the Sun and when the munchies start out of normal shop hours. Of course one can always find a card there for the Mahatmas birthday. Gypo.Joe
  • Score: -43

12:06pm Mon 3 Mar 14

Dr. Nick says...

Gypo.Joe wrote:
Dr. Nick wrote:
Gypo.Joe wrote:
" Global Warming " LOL

Are you self medicating Dr Nick ?
Indeed I am. Just trying to get into the spirit of things on here - you know the biggest problem with Johnny Foreigner? They just don't understand our culture. I mean I was in one of 'their' corner shops the other day and I could not for the life of me find a "Happy Birthday Uncle Dad" card - they just don't understand our culture do they!

Right, I'm off for a walk... or as we say in our English culture 'a knuckle drag'...
Oh yes Mr Petals corner shop, must only be used for a packet of fags, the Daily Wail or the Sun and when the munchies start out of normal shop hours.

Of course one can always find a card there for the Mahatmas birthday.
Indeed. Can you believe they don't even sleep with their sisters like all us pure English do; how are they going to maintain their clean and pure gene pool that way? Yeah, foreigners are just not like us pure English are they - at least when you trace our race back it is not tainted with things from other countries where we have been invaded and the like .... Oh wait!
[quote][p][bold]Gypo.Joe[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dr. Nick[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Gypo.Joe[/bold] wrote: " Global Warming " LOL Are you self medicating Dr Nick ?[/p][/quote]Indeed I am. Just trying to get into the spirit of things on here - you know the biggest problem with Johnny Foreigner? They just don't understand our culture. I mean I was in one of 'their' corner shops the other day and I could not for the life of me find a "Happy Birthday Uncle Dad" card - they just don't understand our culture do they! Right, I'm off for a walk... or as we say in our English culture 'a knuckle drag'...[/p][/quote]Oh yes Mr Petals corner shop, must only be used for a packet of fags, the Daily Wail or the Sun and when the munchies start out of normal shop hours. Of course one can always find a card there for the Mahatmas birthday.[/p][/quote]Indeed. Can you believe they don't even sleep with their sisters like all us pure English do; how are they going to maintain their clean and pure gene pool that way? Yeah, foreigners are just not like us pure English are they - at least when you trace our race back it is not tainted with things from other countries where we have been invaded and the like .... Oh wait! Dr. Nick
  • Score: -45

12:18pm Mon 3 Mar 14

Gypo.Joe says...

Dr. Nick wrote:
Gypo.Joe wrote:
Dr. Nick wrote:
Gypo.Joe wrote:
" Global Warming " LOL

Are you self medicating Dr Nick ?
Indeed I am. Just trying to get into the spirit of things on here - you know the biggest problem with Johnny Foreigner? They just don't understand our culture. I mean I was in one of 'their' corner shops the other day and I could not for the life of me find a "Happy Birthday Uncle Dad" card - they just don't understand our culture do they!

Right, I'm off for a walk... or as we say in our English culture 'a knuckle drag'...
Oh yes Mr Petals corner shop, must only be used for a packet of fags, the Daily Wail or the Sun and when the munchies start out of normal shop hours.

Of course one can always find a card there for the Mahatmas birthday.
Indeed. Can you believe they don't even sleep with their sisters like all us pure English do; how are they going to maintain their clean and pure gene pool that way? Yeah, foreigners are just not like us pure English are they - at least when you trace our race back it is not tainted with things from other countries where we have been invaded and the like .... Oh wait!
How dare you Dr Nick, you are jesting us all aren't you ? Us all a mongrel race, NEVER !

I see sarflondonturd mentioned Shoreditch, now I can tell you are a connoisseur of the finer things in life Dr Nick, I would recommend The Merchants Tavern ( Angela Hartnett establishment ) when you are in the area at all. My good friend Ronald is a friend of Angela.
[quote][p][bold]Dr. Nick[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Gypo.Joe[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dr. Nick[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Gypo.Joe[/bold] wrote: " Global Warming " LOL Are you self medicating Dr Nick ?[/p][/quote]Indeed I am. Just trying to get into the spirit of things on here - you know the biggest problem with Johnny Foreigner? They just don't understand our culture. I mean I was in one of 'their' corner shops the other day and I could not for the life of me find a "Happy Birthday Uncle Dad" card - they just don't understand our culture do they! Right, I'm off for a walk... or as we say in our English culture 'a knuckle drag'...[/p][/quote]Oh yes Mr Petals corner shop, must only be used for a packet of fags, the Daily Wail or the Sun and when the munchies start out of normal shop hours. Of course one can always find a card there for the Mahatmas birthday.[/p][/quote]Indeed. Can you believe they don't even sleep with their sisters like all us pure English do; how are they going to maintain their clean and pure gene pool that way? Yeah, foreigners are just not like us pure English are they - at least when you trace our race back it is not tainted with things from other countries where we have been invaded and the like .... Oh wait![/p][/quote]How dare you Dr Nick, you are jesting us all aren't you ? Us all a mongrel race, NEVER ! I see sarflondonturd mentioned Shoreditch, now I can tell you are a connoisseur of the finer things in life Dr Nick, I would recommend The Merchants Tavern ( Angela Hartnett establishment ) when you are in the area at all. My good friend Ronald is a friend of Angela. Gypo.Joe
  • Score: -52

12:31pm Mon 3 Mar 14

Joelo says...

Try shopping In Morrisons in Thamesmead then!
Try shopping In Morrisons in Thamesmead then! Joelo
  • Score: 73

12:42pm Mon 3 Mar 14

Dr. Nick says...

Gypo.Joe wrote:
Dr. Nick wrote:
Gypo.Joe wrote:
Dr. Nick wrote:
Gypo.Joe wrote:
" Global Warming " LOL

Are you self medicating Dr Nick ?
Indeed I am. Just trying to get into the spirit of things on here - you know the biggest problem with Johnny Foreigner? They just don't understand our culture. I mean I was in one of 'their' corner shops the other day and I could not for the life of me find a "Happy Birthday Uncle Dad" card - they just don't understand our culture do they!

Right, I'm off for a walk... or as we say in our English culture 'a knuckle drag'...
Oh yes Mr Petals corner shop, must only be used for a packet of fags, the Daily Wail or the Sun and when the munchies start out of normal shop hours.

Of course one can always find a card there for the Mahatmas birthday.
Indeed. Can you believe they don't even sleep with their sisters like all us pure English do; how are they going to maintain their clean and pure gene pool that way? Yeah, foreigners are just not like us pure English are they - at least when you trace our race back it is not tainted with things from other countries where we have been invaded and the like .... Oh wait!
How dare you Dr Nick, you are jesting us all aren't you ? Us all a mongrel race, NEVER !

I see sarflondonturd mentioned Shoreditch, now I can tell you are a connoisseur of the finer things in life Dr Nick, I would recommend The Merchants Tavern ( Angela Hartnett establishment ) when you are in the area at all. My good friend Ronald is a friend of Angela.
Me? Point out the truth? No, I would never do that.

It is said they the English excel themselves when it comes to Irony ... however I find that the majority of the English excel far more in the field of Hypocrisy, as can be seen when topics such as this appear - so easy to criticise Johnny Foreigner for 'coming over here', 'taking our jobs', 'spending our taxes' etc - much harder for Johnny Englishman to admit to being a hypocrite for frequenting Johnny Foreigners shop, restaurant, pub etc.

It might be time for us English to take a long hard look at ourselves and realise that the world we think exists vanished a very long time ago and we are dinosaurs in a world of rocket-ships and flying cars. No wonder the rest of the world laughs at England these days - existing in a "Once Was" culture.

Do something scary for once - Embrace change (even if you can't embrace difference).
[quote][p][bold]Gypo.Joe[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dr. Nick[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Gypo.Joe[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dr. Nick[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Gypo.Joe[/bold] wrote: " Global Warming " LOL Are you self medicating Dr Nick ?[/p][/quote]Indeed I am. Just trying to get into the spirit of things on here - you know the biggest problem with Johnny Foreigner? They just don't understand our culture. I mean I was in one of 'their' corner shops the other day and I could not for the life of me find a "Happy Birthday Uncle Dad" card - they just don't understand our culture do they! Right, I'm off for a walk... or as we say in our English culture 'a knuckle drag'...[/p][/quote]Oh yes Mr Petals corner shop, must only be used for a packet of fags, the Daily Wail or the Sun and when the munchies start out of normal shop hours. Of course one can always find a card there for the Mahatmas birthday.[/p][/quote]Indeed. Can you believe they don't even sleep with their sisters like all us pure English do; how are they going to maintain their clean and pure gene pool that way? Yeah, foreigners are just not like us pure English are they - at least when you trace our race back it is not tainted with things from other countries where we have been invaded and the like .... Oh wait![/p][/quote]How dare you Dr Nick, you are jesting us all aren't you ? Us all a mongrel race, NEVER ! I see sarflondonturd mentioned Shoreditch, now I can tell you are a connoisseur of the finer things in life Dr Nick, I would recommend The Merchants Tavern ( Angela Hartnett establishment ) when you are in the area at all. My good friend Ronald is a friend of Angela.[/p][/quote]Me? Point out the truth? No, I would never do that. It is said they the English excel themselves when it comes to Irony ... however I find that the majority of the English excel far more in the field of Hypocrisy, as can be seen when topics such as this appear - so easy to criticise Johnny Foreigner for 'coming over here', 'taking our jobs', 'spending our taxes' etc - much harder for Johnny Englishman to admit to being a hypocrite for frequenting Johnny Foreigners shop, restaurant, pub etc. It might be time for us English to take a long hard look at ourselves and realise that the world we think exists vanished a very long time ago and we are dinosaurs in a world of rocket-ships and flying cars. No wonder the rest of the world laughs at England these days - existing in a "Once Was" culture. Do something scary for once - Embrace change (even if you can't embrace difference). Dr. Nick
  • Score: -59

1:49pm Mon 3 Mar 14

Gypo.Joe says...

CHANGE !! and HYPOCRISY !!

How dare you use those filthy words. 'We' are English those words don't apply to us.

PS, you forgot to mention 'they' steal our womens too.
CHANGE !! and HYPOCRISY !! How dare you use those filthy words. 'We' are English those words don't apply to us. PS, you forgot to mention 'they' steal our womens too. Gypo.Joe
  • Score: -52

1:58pm Mon 3 Mar 14

Wiff180 says...

Like it or not he is dead right, and UKIP will do very well in May. A lot of people are sick of the PC left and multiculturalism
Like it or not he is dead right, and UKIP will do very well in May. A lot of people are sick of the PC left and multiculturalism Wiff180
  • Score: 83

3:27pm Mon 3 Mar 14

The Fozziest of Bears says...

Britain is a Christian country - and we have never voted or been asked if we want to change that.

However, we have to give way to Johnny Foreigner (as you call him), rather than sustain our own culture.
For instance: All meat served by many schools is halal - to be on the safe side of upsetting Muslims. Nobody asked us if we wanted this - why should we change 1000 years of food production because some new inhabitants don't like it.

You cannot dress-up these common-sense arguments as xenophobia or racism any longer - the population can all see we are overcrowded and are not prepared to change our history to suit somebody that hung onto the bottom of a train to get here !

Stand-by for a UKIP landslide - the silent majority have had enough now !
Britain is a Christian country - and we have never voted or been asked if we want to change that. However, we have to give way to Johnny Foreigner (as you call him), rather than sustain our own culture. For instance: All meat served by many schools is halal - to be on the safe side of upsetting Muslims. Nobody asked us if we wanted this - why should we change 1000 years of food production because some new inhabitants don't like it. You cannot dress-up these common-sense arguments as xenophobia or racism any longer - the population can all see we are overcrowded and are not prepared to change our history to suit somebody that hung onto the bottom of a train to get here ! Stand-by for a UKIP landslide - the silent majority have had enough now ! The Fozziest of Bears
  • Score: 79

3:52pm Mon 3 Mar 14

iainwarren says...

This morning I went to the shop to buy a good old fashioned BRITISH snack - a packet of Bombay Mix. Instead of that I found nothing but gherkins and sauerkraut. I'm sick of these bloody foreigners coming over here, pickling our baby cucumbers and fermenting our cabbage. It's time we shoved the lot of them on a plane somewhere else in Europe (just not Spain because I'm planning to emigrate there when I retire)
This morning I went to the shop to buy a good old fashioned BRITISH snack - a packet of Bombay Mix. Instead of that I found nothing but gherkins and sauerkraut. I'm sick of these bloody foreigners coming over here, pickling our baby cucumbers and fermenting our cabbage. It's time we shoved the lot of them on a plane somewhere else in Europe (just not Spain because I'm planning to emigrate there when I retire) iainwarren
  • Score: -22

4:24pm Mon 3 Mar 14

Dr. Nick says...

The Fozziest of Bears wrote:
Britain is a Christian country - and we have never voted or been asked if we want to change that.

However, we have to give way to Johnny Foreigner (as you call him), rather than sustain our own culture.
For instance: All meat served by many schools is halal - to be on the safe side of upsetting Muslims. Nobody asked us if we wanted this - why should we change 1000 years of food production because some new inhabitants don't like it.

You cannot dress-up these common-sense arguments as xenophobia or racism any longer - the population can all see we are overcrowded and are not prepared to change our history to suit somebody that hung onto the bottom of a train to get here !

Stand-by for a UKIP landslide - the silent majority have had enough now !
I think you will find that this was a Celtic country long before the Christians came over here with their funny ways which we had to give way to. So, by your logic we should also object to all the Christians who force us to accept their ways - as I said, Dinosaur in a world of the Flying Car.

"Vote UKCeltic and kick some Christian butt!"
[quote][p][bold]The Fozziest of Bears[/bold] wrote: Britain is a Christian country - and we have never voted or been asked if we want to change that. However, we have to give way to Johnny Foreigner (as you call him), rather than sustain our own culture. For instance: All meat served by many schools is halal - to be on the safe side of upsetting Muslims. Nobody asked us if we wanted this - why should we change 1000 years of food production because some new inhabitants don't like it. You cannot dress-up these common-sense arguments as xenophobia or racism any longer - the population can all see we are overcrowded and are not prepared to change our history to suit somebody that hung onto the bottom of a train to get here ! Stand-by for a UKIP landslide - the silent majority have had enough now ![/p][/quote]I think you will find that this was a Celtic country long before the Christians came over here with their funny ways which we had to give way to. So, by your logic we should also object to all the Christians who force us to accept their ways - as I said, Dinosaur in a world of the Flying Car. "Vote UKCeltic and kick some Christian butt!" Dr. Nick
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4:29pm Mon 3 Mar 14

Dr. Nick says...

iainwarren wrote:
This morning I went to the shop to buy a good old fashioned BRITISH snack - a packet of Bombay Mix. Instead of that I found nothing but gherkins and sauerkraut. I'm sick of these bloody foreigners coming over here, pickling our baby cucumbers and fermenting our cabbage. It's time we shoved the lot of them on a plane somewhere else in Europe (just not Spain because I'm planning to emigrate there when I retire)
Yes, where are all the jars of pickled fish'n'chips that's what I want to know.
[quote][p][bold]iainwarren[/bold] wrote: This morning I went to the shop to buy a good old fashioned BRITISH snack - a packet of Bombay Mix. Instead of that I found nothing but gherkins and sauerkraut. I'm sick of these bloody foreigners coming over here, pickling our baby cucumbers and fermenting our cabbage. It's time we shoved the lot of them on a plane somewhere else in Europe (just not Spain because I'm planning to emigrate there when I retire)[/p][/quote]Yes, where are all the jars of pickled fish'n'chips that's what I want to know. Dr. Nick
  • Score: -17

4:34pm Mon 3 Mar 14

Gypo.Joe says...

"Britain is a Christian country"

Oh my sides. ( my BFF say that ) LOL


A Christian country, you best tell that to the Druids, Pagans, Jews, Atheists etc etc.

PS, may the force be with you. ( I'm a practicing Jedi Knight.)
"Britain is a Christian country" Oh my sides. ( my BFF say that ) LOL A Christian country, you best tell that to the Druids, Pagans, Jews, Atheists etc etc. PS, may the force be with you. ( I'm a practicing Jedi Knight.) Gypo.Joe
  • Score: -13

4:36pm Mon 3 Mar 14

Gypo.Joe says...

Dr. Nick wrote:
iainwarren wrote:
This morning I went to the shop to buy a good old fashioned BRITISH snack - a packet of Bombay Mix. Instead of that I found nothing but gherkins and sauerkraut. I'm sick of these bloody foreigners coming over here, pickling our baby cucumbers and fermenting our cabbage. It's time we shoved the lot of them on a plane somewhere else in Europe (just not Spain because I'm planning to emigrate there when I retire)
Yes, where are all the jars of pickled fish'n'chips that's what I want to know.
Wot abaht the Rollmops already ?
[quote][p][bold]Dr. Nick[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]iainwarren[/bold] wrote: This morning I went to the shop to buy a good old fashioned BRITISH snack - a packet of Bombay Mix. Instead of that I found nothing but gherkins and sauerkraut. I'm sick of these bloody foreigners coming over here, pickling our baby cucumbers and fermenting our cabbage. It's time we shoved the lot of them on a plane somewhere else in Europe (just not Spain because I'm planning to emigrate there when I retire)[/p][/quote]Yes, where are all the jars of pickled fish'n'chips that's what I want to know.[/p][/quote]Wot abaht the Rollmops already ? Gypo.Joe
  • Score: -17

4:38pm Mon 3 Mar 14

Dr. Nick says...

The Fozziest of Bears says...
"Stand-by for a UKIP landslide - the silent majority have had enough now !"

Now that is the best joke I have heard in a long time - we all know this could never happen. Farage is a complete loon and anyone who would vote for him is too; there is as much chance of him winning an election as there is of the Conservatives finding they have more female supporters than they did before the last election. Let's face it, everyone likes a good joke so UKip are a bit of light hearted fun, but to think they ever stand a chance of winning is to think that you stand a chance of winning the Lottery if you don't buy a ticket. UKip is the modern version of the Monster Raving Looney Party - a bit of fun but no chance of ever winning - those that vote for them think they are being 'original', but are really wasting a vote which people died for us to have.
The Fozziest of Bears says... "Stand-by for a UKIP landslide - the silent majority have had enough now !" Now that is the best joke I have heard in a long time - we all know this could never happen. Farage is a complete loon and anyone who would vote for him is too; there is as much chance of him winning an election as there is of the Conservatives finding they have more female supporters than they did before the last election. Let's face it, everyone likes a good joke so UKip are a bit of light hearted fun, but to think they ever stand a chance of winning is to think that you stand a chance of winning the Lottery if you don't buy a ticket. UKip is the modern version of the Monster Raving Looney Party - a bit of fun but no chance of ever winning - those that vote for them think they are being 'original', but are really wasting a vote which people died for us to have. Dr. Nick
  • Score: -32

4:40pm Mon 3 Mar 14

Dr. Nick says...

Gypo.Joe wrote:
Dr. Nick wrote:
iainwarren wrote:
This morning I went to the shop to buy a good old fashioned BRITISH snack - a packet of Bombay Mix. Instead of that I found nothing but gherkins and sauerkraut. I'm sick of these bloody foreigners coming over here, pickling our baby cucumbers and fermenting our cabbage. It's time we shoved the lot of them on a plane somewhere else in Europe (just not Spain because I'm planning to emigrate there when I retire)
Yes, where are all the jars of pickled fish'n'chips that's what I want to know.
Wot abaht the Rollmops already ?
heh, they are just gross. Is that what you are having for tea tonight Joe?
[quote][p][bold]Gypo.Joe[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dr. Nick[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]iainwarren[/bold] wrote: This morning I went to the shop to buy a good old fashioned BRITISH snack - a packet of Bombay Mix. Instead of that I found nothing but gherkins and sauerkraut. I'm sick of these bloody foreigners coming over here, pickling our baby cucumbers and fermenting our cabbage. It's time we shoved the lot of them on a plane somewhere else in Europe (just not Spain because I'm planning to emigrate there when I retire)[/p][/quote]Yes, where are all the jars of pickled fish'n'chips that's what I want to know.[/p][/quote]Wot abaht the Rollmops already ?[/p][/quote]heh, they are just gross. Is that what you are having for tea tonight Joe? Dr. Nick
  • Score: -23

5:09pm Mon 3 Mar 14

The Fozziest of Bears says...

Dr. Nick wrote:
The Fozziest of Bears says...
"Stand-by for a UKIP landslide - the silent majority have had enough now !"

Now that is the best joke I have heard in a long time - we all know this could never happen. Farage is a complete loon and anyone who would vote for him is too; there is as much chance of him winning an election as there is of the Conservatives finding they have more female supporters than they did before the last election. Let's face it, everyone likes a good joke so UKip are a bit of light hearted fun, but to think they ever stand a chance of winning is to think that you stand a chance of winning the Lottery if you don't buy a ticket. UKip is the modern version of the Monster Raving Looney Party - a bit of fun but no chance of ever winning - those that vote for them think they are being 'original', but are really wasting a vote which people died for us to have.
It's not the winning of the most seats - is the disruption they will cause in the marginals, forcing us into another hung parliament. Cameron thinks he is a dead cert, but his smear tactics on UKIP won't work this time.

That's why Cameron is delaying the publication of the number of Romanians and Bulgarians who were issued with NI numbers UNTIL AFTER the European elections in May. He even issued 30,000 "advance" NI numbers to them in December 2013 - to try and cover up the true statistics, but has been rumbled and ordered a hush-up.

As for Celts/Pagans etc - nothing in this country precludes them from having their beliefs, and whether you are religious or not, the fact remains that this is a Christian country by majority - not Islamic/Hindu/Jewish
/Jedi or anything else.

All that are here are welcome to their creed, but please note you are in the minority and so, please respect the customs of the majority.

NOT THE OTHER WAY AROUND !
[quote][p][bold]Dr. Nick[/bold] wrote: The Fozziest of Bears says... "Stand-by for a UKIP landslide - the silent majority have had enough now !" Now that is the best joke I have heard in a long time - we all know this could never happen. Farage is a complete loon and anyone who would vote for him is too; there is as much chance of him winning an election as there is of the Conservatives finding they have more female supporters than they did before the last election. Let's face it, everyone likes a good joke so UKip are a bit of light hearted fun, but to think they ever stand a chance of winning is to think that you stand a chance of winning the Lottery if you don't buy a ticket. UKip is the modern version of the Monster Raving Looney Party - a bit of fun but no chance of ever winning - those that vote for them think they are being 'original', but are really wasting a vote which people died for us to have.[/p][/quote]It's not the winning of the most seats - is the disruption they will cause in the marginals, forcing us into another hung parliament. Cameron thinks he is a dead cert, but his smear tactics on UKIP won't work this time. That's why Cameron is delaying the publication of the number of Romanians and Bulgarians who were issued with NI numbers UNTIL AFTER the European elections in May. He even issued 30,000 "advance" NI numbers to them in December 2013 - to try and cover up the true statistics, but has been rumbled and ordered a hush-up. As for Celts/Pagans etc - nothing in this country precludes them from having their beliefs, and whether you are religious or not, the fact remains that this is a Christian country by majority - not Islamic/Hindu/Jewish /Jedi or anything else. All that are here are welcome to their creed, but please note you are in the minority and so, please respect the customs of the majority. NOT THE OTHER WAY AROUND ! The Fozziest of Bears
  • Score: 40

5:29pm Mon 3 Mar 14

Dr. Nick says...

The Fozziest of Bears wrote:
Dr. Nick wrote:
The Fozziest of Bears says...
"Stand-by for a UKIP landslide - the silent majority have had enough now !"

Now that is the best joke I have heard in a long time - we all know this could never happen. Farage is a complete loon and anyone who would vote for him is too; there is as much chance of him winning an election as there is of the Conservatives finding they have more female supporters than they did before the last election. Let's face it, everyone likes a good joke so UKip are a bit of light hearted fun, but to think they ever stand a chance of winning is to think that you stand a chance of winning the Lottery if you don't buy a ticket. UKip is the modern version of the Monster Raving Looney Party - a bit of fun but no chance of ever winning - those that vote for them think they are being 'original', but are really wasting a vote which people died for us to have.
It's not the winning of the most seats - is the disruption they will cause in the marginals, forcing us into another hung parliament. Cameron thinks he is a dead cert, but his smear tactics on UKIP won't work this time.

That's why Cameron is delaying the publication of the number of Romanians and Bulgarians who were issued with NI numbers UNTIL AFTER the European elections in May. He even issued 30,000 "advance" NI numbers to them in December 2013 - to try and cover up the true statistics, but has been rumbled and ordered a hush-up.

As for Celts/Pagans etc - nothing in this country precludes them from having their beliefs, and whether you are religious or not, the fact remains that this is a Christian country by majority - not Islamic/Hindu/Jewish

/Jedi or anything else.

All that are here are welcome to their creed, but please note you are in the minority and so, please respect the customs of the majority.

NOT THE OTHER WAY AROUND !
Please don't resort to shouting.

There is about as much chance of UKip causing 'disruption', as Clegg being able to become PM on his own - ain't gonna happen, period.

I find it interesting that you feel you are so put upon by the other religions; what stops Christians going to church every sunday? Is it the line of Muslim pickets outside the church or just laziness? And since when has it been difficult to be a practicing Christian in this country? Are the local councils buying lions with our CTax now? One excuse after another... roll on the next one please.

I would agree with you, but then we would both be wrong.
[quote][p][bold]The Fozziest of Bears[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dr. Nick[/bold] wrote: The Fozziest of Bears says... "Stand-by for a UKIP landslide - the silent majority have had enough now !" Now that is the best joke I have heard in a long time - we all know this could never happen. Farage is a complete loon and anyone who would vote for him is too; there is as much chance of him winning an election as there is of the Conservatives finding they have more female supporters than they did before the last election. Let's face it, everyone likes a good joke so UKip are a bit of light hearted fun, but to think they ever stand a chance of winning is to think that you stand a chance of winning the Lottery if you don't buy a ticket. UKip is the modern version of the Monster Raving Looney Party - a bit of fun but no chance of ever winning - those that vote for them think they are being 'original', but are really wasting a vote which people died for us to have.[/p][/quote]It's not the winning of the most seats - is the disruption they will cause in the marginals, forcing us into another hung parliament. Cameron thinks he is a dead cert, but his smear tactics on UKIP won't work this time. That's why Cameron is delaying the publication of the number of Romanians and Bulgarians who were issued with NI numbers UNTIL AFTER the European elections in May. He even issued 30,000 "advance" NI numbers to them in December 2013 - to try and cover up the true statistics, but has been rumbled and ordered a hush-up. As for Celts/Pagans etc - nothing in this country precludes them from having their beliefs, and whether you are religious or not, the fact remains that this is a Christian country by majority - not Islamic/Hindu/Jewish /Jedi or anything else. All that are here are welcome to their creed, but please note you are in the minority and so, please respect the customs of the majority. NOT THE OTHER WAY AROUND ![/p][/quote]Please don't resort to shouting. There is about as much chance of UKip causing 'disruption', as Clegg being able to become PM on his own - ain't gonna happen, period. I find it interesting that you feel you are so put upon by the other religions; what stops Christians going to church every sunday? Is it the line of Muslim pickets outside the church or just laziness? And since when has it been difficult to be a practicing Christian in this country? Are the local councils buying lions with our CTax now? One excuse after another... roll on the next one please. I would agree with you, but then we would both be wrong. Dr. Nick
  • Score: -18

5:36pm Mon 3 Mar 14

iainwarren says...

oh yes I forgot about rollmops - the food that the scandinavians stole off us (boycott Ikea and Volvos people!)

It's the cucumbers I feel sorry for - these eastern European pickling gangs coming over here and grooming the little'uns before forcing them into a jar and selling them on the street corner
oh yes I forgot about rollmops - the food that the scandinavians stole off us (boycott Ikea and Volvos people!) It's the cucumbers I feel sorry for - these eastern European pickling gangs coming over here and grooming the little'uns before forcing them into a jar and selling them on the street corner iainwarren
  • Score: -22

6:45pm Mon 3 Mar 14

Downhamlad says...

The Fozziest of Bears wrote:
Dr. Nick wrote:
The Fozziest of Bears says...
"Stand-by for a UKIP landslide - the silent majority have had enough now !"

Now that is the best joke I have heard in a long time - we all know this could never happen. Farage is a complete loon and anyone who would vote for him is too; there is as much chance of him winning an election as there is of the Conservatives finding they have more female supporters than they did before the last election. Let's face it, everyone likes a good joke so UKip are a bit of light hearted fun, but to think they ever stand a chance of winning is to think that you stand a chance of winning the Lottery if you don't buy a ticket. UKip is the modern version of the Monster Raving Looney Party - a bit of fun but no chance of ever winning - those that vote for them think they are being 'original', but are really wasting a vote which people died for us to have.
It's not the winning of the most seats - is the disruption they will cause in the marginals, forcing us into another hung parliament. Cameron thinks he is a dead cert, but his smear tactics on UKIP won't work this time.

That's why Cameron is delaying the publication of the number of Romanians and Bulgarians who were issued with NI numbers UNTIL AFTER the European elections in May. He even issued 30,000 "advance" NI numbers to them in December 2013 - to try and cover up the true statistics, but has been rumbled and ordered a hush-up.

As for Celts/Pagans etc - nothing in this country precludes them from having their beliefs, and whether you are religious or not, the fact remains that this is a Christian country by majority - not Islamic/Hindu/Jewish

/Jedi or anything else.

All that are here are welcome to their creed, but please note you are in the minority and so, please respect the customs of the majority.

NOT THE OTHER WAY AROUND !
When in Rome?
[quote][p][bold]The Fozziest of Bears[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dr. Nick[/bold] wrote: The Fozziest of Bears says... "Stand-by for a UKIP landslide - the silent majority have had enough now !" Now that is the best joke I have heard in a long time - we all know this could never happen. Farage is a complete loon and anyone who would vote for him is too; there is as much chance of him winning an election as there is of the Conservatives finding they have more female supporters than they did before the last election. Let's face it, everyone likes a good joke so UKip are a bit of light hearted fun, but to think they ever stand a chance of winning is to think that you stand a chance of winning the Lottery if you don't buy a ticket. UKip is the modern version of the Monster Raving Looney Party - a bit of fun but no chance of ever winning - those that vote for them think they are being 'original', but are really wasting a vote which people died for us to have.[/p][/quote]It's not the winning of the most seats - is the disruption they will cause in the marginals, forcing us into another hung parliament. Cameron thinks he is a dead cert, but his smear tactics on UKIP won't work this time. That's why Cameron is delaying the publication of the number of Romanians and Bulgarians who were issued with NI numbers UNTIL AFTER the European elections in May. He even issued 30,000 "advance" NI numbers to them in December 2013 - to try and cover up the true statistics, but has been rumbled and ordered a hush-up. As for Celts/Pagans etc - nothing in this country precludes them from having their beliefs, and whether you are religious or not, the fact remains that this is a Christian country by majority - not Islamic/Hindu/Jewish /Jedi or anything else. All that are here are welcome to their creed, but please note you are in the minority and so, please respect the customs of the majority. NOT THE OTHER WAY AROUND ![/p][/quote]When in Rome? Downhamlad
  • Score: 53

6:54pm Mon 3 Mar 14

Gypo.Joe says...

"When in Rome"

Do as the Romans do. We don't want them poking their noses ( no pun intended ) in as they were invaders too. They had some lovely bathrooms though. I bet they worked cheaper than Poles as well.
"When in Rome" Do as the Romans do. We don't want them poking their noses ( no pun intended ) in as they were invaders too. They had some lovely bathrooms though. I bet they worked cheaper than Poles as well. Gypo.Joe
  • Score: -36

8:06pm Mon 3 Mar 14

Dr. Nick says...

Gypo.Joe wrote:
"When in Rome"

Do as the Romans do. We don't want them poking their noses ( no pun intended ) in as they were invaders too. They had some lovely bathrooms though. I bet they worked cheaper than Poles as well.
Okay, now you guys have invoked the Monty Python sketch in my head, except now instead of the Romans it's "What have the Polish, Romanians (etc) ever done for us .. except our plumbing, our gardens, sold us stuff in the shops we frequent (etc) ... what have the ..." you know how it goes.
[quote][p][bold]Gypo.Joe[/bold] wrote: "When in Rome" Do as the Romans do. We don't want them poking their noses ( no pun intended ) in as they were invaders too. They had some lovely bathrooms though. I bet they worked cheaper than Poles as well.[/p][/quote]Okay, now you guys have invoked the Monty Python sketch in my head, except now instead of the Romans it's "What have the Polish, Romanians (etc) ever done for us .. except our plumbing, our gardens, sold us stuff in the shops we frequent (etc) ... what have the ..." you know how it goes. Dr. Nick
  • Score: -50

8:31pm Mon 3 Mar 14

kevint1972 says...

Dr. Nick wrote:
Gypo.Joe wrote:
"When in Rome"

Do as the Romans do. We don't want them poking their noses ( no pun intended ) in as they were invaders too. They had some lovely bathrooms though. I bet they worked cheaper than Poles as well.
Okay, now you guys have invoked the Monty Python sketch in my head, except now instead of the Romans it's "What have the Polish, Romanians (etc) ever done for us .. except our plumbing, our gardens, sold us stuff in the shops we frequent (etc) ... what have the ..." you know how it goes.
Yet somehow those things were done for us prior to 2004. I wonder how..
[quote][p][bold]Dr. Nick[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Gypo.Joe[/bold] wrote: "When in Rome" Do as the Romans do. We don't want them poking their noses ( no pun intended ) in as they were invaders too. They had some lovely bathrooms though. I bet they worked cheaper than Poles as well.[/p][/quote]Okay, now you guys have invoked the Monty Python sketch in my head, except now instead of the Romans it's "What have the Polish, Romanians (etc) ever done for us .. except our plumbing, our gardens, sold us stuff in the shops we frequent (etc) ... what have the ..." you know how it goes.[/p][/quote]Yet somehow those things were done for us prior to 2004. I wonder how.. kevint1972
  • Score: 75

10:07pm Mon 3 Mar 14

Gypo.Joe says...

kevint1972 wrote:
Dr. Nick wrote:
Gypo.Joe wrote:
"When in Rome"

Do as the Romans do. We don't want them poking their noses ( no pun intended ) in as they were invaders too. They had some lovely bathrooms though. I bet they worked cheaper than Poles as well.
Okay, now you guys have invoked the Monty Python sketch in my head, except now instead of the Romans it's "What have the Polish, Romanians (etc) ever done for us .. except our plumbing, our gardens, sold us stuff in the shops we frequent (etc) ... what have the ..." you know how it goes.
Yet somehow those things were done for us prior to 2004. I wonder how..
Poor Kevin obviously failed history at skool.

Run along now.
[quote][p][bold]kevint1972[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dr. Nick[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Gypo.Joe[/bold] wrote: "When in Rome" Do as the Romans do. We don't want them poking their noses ( no pun intended ) in as they were invaders too. They had some lovely bathrooms though. I bet they worked cheaper than Poles as well.[/p][/quote]Okay, now you guys have invoked the Monty Python sketch in my head, except now instead of the Romans it's "What have the Polish, Romanians (etc) ever done for us .. except our plumbing, our gardens, sold us stuff in the shops we frequent (etc) ... what have the ..." you know how it goes.[/p][/quote]Yet somehow those things were done for us prior to 2004. I wonder how..[/p][/quote]Poor Kevin obviously failed history at skool. Run along now. Gypo.Joe
  • Score: -46

12:10pm Tue 4 Mar 14

goldenbroomboy says...

The Fozziest of Bears wrote:
iainwarren wrote: Then go and live in a small town instead of one of the most multicultural cities in the world! Personally I'm proud to live in a country AND city that attracts people from all over the world
I wonder how proud you will be when you have to wait a month for a doctor's appointment, 6 months for a hospital appointment, travel 20 miles for a primary school place for your grandchildren, and finally are kept for 6 months in the deep freeze because there are no burial plots left. Britain is overcrowded - stop all immigration now, so we can try and recover in the next 50 years. It is nonsense in an overpopulated world, that an advanced country like ours has an open-door policy on EU migration. We need doctors and engineers - not scrap metal collectors from Romania.
My wife is Romanian & she is a qualified Electrical Engineer.

Go kiss my boot.
[quote][p][bold]The Fozziest of Bears[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]iainwarren[/bold] wrote: Then go and live in a small town instead of one of the most multicultural cities in the world! Personally I'm proud to live in a country AND city that attracts people from all over the world[/p][/quote]I wonder how proud you will be when you have to wait a month for a doctor's appointment, 6 months for a hospital appointment, travel 20 miles for a primary school place for your grandchildren, and finally are kept for 6 months in the deep freeze because there are no burial plots left. Britain is overcrowded - stop all immigration now, so we can try and recover in the next 50 years. It is nonsense in an overpopulated world, that an advanced country like ours has an open-door policy on EU migration. We need doctors and engineers - not scrap metal collectors from Romania.[/p][/quote]My wife is Romanian & she is a qualified Electrical Engineer. Go kiss my boot. goldenbroomboy
  • Score: -13

12:16pm Tue 4 Mar 14

sarfflondonbird says...

sarfflondonbird wrote:
Was using peasant (sorry...pubic) transport yesterday to get to 'trendy' shoreditch to watch my daughter in law sing in the choir there. Didn't encounter that many white English speaking people whilst observing the potential pick pockets....There certainly were a number of suspects to be seen on trains, and not many trendy white English speaking people to be seen at the markets, either buying or selling. It was our little group that were made to feel like the outsiders in our own country, shouldn't be like that.
Oh dear, just realised my key board had been doing it's own thing again. That should have read public in one sentence. What was it thinking? Still, that's the joys of predictive type, hope it made your day.
[quote][p][bold]sarfflondonbird[/bold] wrote: Was using peasant (sorry...pubic) transport yesterday to get to 'trendy' shoreditch to watch my daughter in law sing in the choir there. Didn't encounter that many white English speaking people whilst observing the potential pick pockets....There certainly were a number of suspects to be seen on trains, and not many trendy white English speaking people to be seen at the markets, either buying or selling. It was our little group that were made to feel like the outsiders in our own country, shouldn't be like that.[/p][/quote]Oh dear, just realised my key board had been doing it's own thing again. That should have read public in one sentence. What was it thinking? Still, that's the joys of predictive type, hope it made your day. sarfflondonbird
  • Score: 16

1:32pm Tue 4 Mar 14

mrs peach says...

sarfflondonbird wrote:
sarfflondonbird wrote:
Was using peasant (sorry...pubic) transport yesterday to get to 'trendy' shoreditch to watch my daughter in law sing in the choir there. Didn't encounter that many white English speaking people whilst observing the potential pick pockets....There certainly were a number of suspects to be seen on trains, and not many trendy white English speaking people to be seen at the markets, either buying or selling. It was our little group that were made to feel like the outsiders in our own country, shouldn't be like that.
Oh dear, just realised my key board had been doing it's own thing again. That should have read public in one sentence. What was it thinking? Still, that's the joys of predictive type, hope it made your day.
Nigel is 100% right, The English speaking Brit is made to feel like an outsider, if you went to any other country, ie in Japan you would hear Japanese, China u wud hear |Chinese so on and so forth, it is intimidating for us to be surrounded by foreign languages,
[quote][p][bold]sarfflondonbird[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sarfflondonbird[/bold] wrote: Was using peasant (sorry...pubic) transport yesterday to get to 'trendy' shoreditch to watch my daughter in law sing in the choir there. Didn't encounter that many white English speaking people whilst observing the potential pick pockets....There certainly were a number of suspects to be seen on trains, and not many trendy white English speaking people to be seen at the markets, either buying or selling. It was our little group that were made to feel like the outsiders in our own country, shouldn't be like that.[/p][/quote]Oh dear, just realised my key board had been doing it's own thing again. That should have read public in one sentence. What was it thinking? Still, that's the joys of predictive type, hope it made your day.[/p][/quote]Nigel is 100% right, The English speaking Brit is made to feel like an outsider, if you went to any other country, ie in Japan you would hear Japanese, China u wud hear |Chinese so on and so forth, it is intimidating for us to be surrounded by foreign languages, mrs peach
  • Score: 75

1:51pm Tue 4 Mar 14

Dr. Nick says...

mrs peach wrote:
sarfflondonbird wrote:
sarfflondonbird wrote:
Was using peasant (sorry...pubic) transport yesterday to get to 'trendy' shoreditch to watch my daughter in law sing in the choir there. Didn't encounter that many white English speaking people whilst observing the potential pick pockets....There certainly were a number of suspects to be seen on trains, and not many trendy white English speaking people to be seen at the markets, either buying or selling. It was our little group that were made to feel like the outsiders in our own country, shouldn't be like that.
Oh dear, just realised my key board had been doing it's own thing again. That should have read public in one sentence. What was it thinking? Still, that's the joys of predictive type, hope it made your day.
Nigel is 100% right, The English speaking Brit is made to feel like an outsider, if you went to any other country, ie in Japan you would hear Japanese, China u wud hear |Chinese so on and so forth, it is intimidating for us to be surrounded by foreign languages,
Intimidating? How? You are intimidated by your own prejudice? Wow, that is some accomplishment. I guess you hate gay people as well don't you? Hmmm... It might help you if you woke up one day and realised that they is not just -you- in this big wide world and that other people actually exist and -do- matter. This sort of self-centred, self-opinionated racism is something to be ashamed of and not proud of - trying to dress it up as Nationalism is a joke as if you were truly proud of your nation you would stop whining and about feeling like a minority. If 'white English' people were to suffer one ounce of what the real minorities have to suffer, then you would have a point.

I myself am white English (born here of Irish and Welsh ancestry), I consider myself a European and very proud of the fact that I live in a multicultural country where my friends from other countries want to come to - London is a capital to be proud and is admired throughout the world. I am glad that most of my friends do not encounter your sort, the racist bigots who 'think' they are in a minority. You are only in a minority with your outmoded views and opinions.

There is one minority you can be fitted into, that is the one of Racist. At least being a 'friend of Nigel' makes it easier for the majority to identify you.
[quote][p][bold]mrs peach[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sarfflondonbird[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sarfflondonbird[/bold] wrote: Was using peasant (sorry...pubic) transport yesterday to get to 'trendy' shoreditch to watch my daughter in law sing in the choir there. Didn't encounter that many white English speaking people whilst observing the potential pick pockets....There certainly were a number of suspects to be seen on trains, and not many trendy white English speaking people to be seen at the markets, either buying or selling. It was our little group that were made to feel like the outsiders in our own country, shouldn't be like that.[/p][/quote]Oh dear, just realised my key board had been doing it's own thing again. That should have read public in one sentence. What was it thinking? Still, that's the joys of predictive type, hope it made your day.[/p][/quote]Nigel is 100% right, The English speaking Brit is made to feel like an outsider, if you went to any other country, ie in Japan you would hear Japanese, China u wud hear |Chinese so on and so forth, it is intimidating for us to be surrounded by foreign languages,[/p][/quote]Intimidating? How? You are intimidated by your own prejudice? Wow, that is some accomplishment. I guess you hate gay people as well don't you? Hmmm... It might help you if you woke up one day and realised that they is not just -you- in this big wide world and that other people actually exist and -do- matter. This sort of self-centred, self-opinionated racism is something to be ashamed of and not proud of - trying to dress it up as Nationalism is a joke as if you were truly proud of your nation you would stop whining and about feeling like a minority. If 'white English' people were to suffer one ounce of what the real minorities have to suffer, then you would have a point. I myself am white English (born here of Irish and Welsh ancestry), I consider myself a European and very proud of the fact that I live in a multicultural country where my friends from other countries want to come to - London is a capital to be proud and is admired throughout the world. I am glad that most of my friends do not encounter your sort, the racist bigots who 'think' they are in a minority. You are only in a minority with your outmoded views and opinions. There is one minority you can be fitted into, that is the one of Racist. At least being a 'friend of Nigel' makes it easier for the majority to identify you. Dr. Nick
  • Score: -52

10:38pm Tue 4 Mar 14

Hatersgonnahate says...

I only look at the NS now to try & gauge the bigoted & crass comments readers make & guarantee the pathetic self voting system for said comments. God forbid if your overweight, black, gay, asylum seeker or on benifits & you'll be scapegoated beyond belief. So here goes, rather than based on blind arrogant & ignorant myths here's some facts, I won't respond to any reply but guarantee I'll have negative votes in the hour....

So here we go. Can we talk about immigration and its economic impact? A government study in 2007 estimated that migrants contributed about £6bn to output growth the previous year. That's equivalent to a 1.5% cut in the basic rate of income tax. Can we talk about this?

Can we talk about how immigrants, contrary to myth and legend, boost wages in the UK? A report for the Low Pay Commission found that between 1997 and 2005, immigration to the UK made a positive contribution to the average wage-increase experienced by non-immigrant workers. In the words of the report's author, Professor Christian Dustmann of UCL's Department of Economics: "Economic theory shows us that immigration can provide a net boost to wages." Is this worth a discussion?

Can we talk about how the British high street has been transformed by foreign-born entrepreneurs? Tesco, Marks & Spencer, easyJet and countless other leading companies were founded by immigrants or the children of immigrants. As the economist Philippe Legrain points out in his book on the financial crisis, Aftershock, immigrants are twice as likely to start a new business as people born in Britain.

Can we talk about how, for the first time, two of our three major political parties are led by sons of immigrants? Nick Clegg's Dutch mother, Hermance van den Wall Bake, met his half-Russian father, Nicholas, on a visit to England in 1956. Ed Miliband's parents fled the Holocaust and arrived on these shores as refugees. His father Ralph caught the last boat to Britain before Belgium was overrun by the Nazis; his mother Marion arrived from Poland in 1947, aged 12 and unable to speak English. Meanwhile, David Cameron's great-great-grandfat
her, Emile Levita, a German-Jewish financier, came to this country as a migrant in the 1850s and obtained British citizenship in 1871. I have yet to hear the prime minister mention Levita in a speech.

Cameron is also a distant cousin of the Queen. Can we talk about migrants and the monarchy? The German origins of our royal family are often glossed over: prior to 1917, the House of Windsor was the House of Saxe-Coburg and Gotha. And, lest we forget, the Queen's husband, the Duke of Edinburgh, father and grandfather to the next two Kings of England, was born in Corfu as "Prince Philip of Greece and Denmark".

Can we talk about the impact of immigrants on another much-loved British institution, the NHS? More than one in three of the UK's registered doctors gained their medical qualification abroad. Official figures obtained by Channel 4 News a year ago revealed that one of the NHS's largest private contractors employed not just immigrants, but illegal immigrants. Without foreign-born workers, the NHS would grind to a halt.

Can we talk about immigration and the funding of higher education? One in 10 students in British universities come from outside the EU and these students pay much higher tuition fees than British students – an average of £20,000 a year compared to £3,290. International fees are now a bigger source of income for most universities than research grants. Without foreign-born students, our universities would go bust.

Can we talk about the fact that nearly a quarter of Britain's Nobel prize winners were born abroad? Take the Nobel physics laureate, Konstantin Novoselov, who holds both Russian and British citizenship and lives and teaches in Manchester, or the 2010 Nobel prize winner for economics, the British-Cypriot Christopher Pissarides.

Can we talk about immigration and the national game? Migrants have helped transform the English Premier League into the world's most popular football league. In 1992, there were only 12 footballers in the Premier League born outside the Commonwealth; two decades on, more than half of the Premier League's clubs could field an entire team of foreign-born players. The current coach of the national team is an economic migrant, the Italian Fabio Capello, as is his predecessor, Swede Sven-Göran Eriksson. (Last month, the linguistically-chall
enged Capello insisted he only needed to know 100 words of English to do his job – will the prime minister denounce his high-profile refusal to integrate?)

Can we talk about the culinary gifts from migrants? The quintessentially British fish and chips, says historian Panikos Panayi, came from French and Jewish immigrants; this is now a land of pizzas, curries and noodles.

Can we talk about all of this? Discussions of immigration tend to revolve around forced marriages and the need for English language lessons. But there is an alternative, positive and uplifting story to tell about the myriad ways in which this country has benefited from its migrant population. In the words of the late Robin Cook: "We should celebrate the enormous contribution of the many communities in Britain to strengthening our economy, to supporting our public services, and to enriching our culture and cuisine." To focus only on the negative side of the ledger is as dangerous as it is disingenuous, irresponsible as it is ill-informed.
I only look at the NS now to try & gauge the bigoted & crass comments readers make & guarantee the pathetic self voting system for said comments. God forbid if your overweight, black, gay, asylum seeker or on benifits & you'll be scapegoated beyond belief. So here goes, rather than based on blind arrogant & ignorant myths here's some facts, I won't respond to any reply but guarantee I'll have negative votes in the hour.... So here we go. Can we talk about immigration and its economic impact? A government study in 2007 estimated that migrants contributed about £6bn to output growth the previous year. That's equivalent to a 1.5% cut in the basic rate of income tax. Can we talk about this? Can we talk about how immigrants, contrary to myth and legend, boost wages in the UK? A report for the Low Pay Commission found that between 1997 and 2005, immigration to the UK made a positive contribution to the average wage-increase experienced by non-immigrant workers. In the words of the report's author, Professor Christian Dustmann of UCL's Department of Economics: "Economic theory shows us that immigration can provide a net boost to wages." Is this worth a discussion? Can we talk about how the British high street has been transformed by foreign-born entrepreneurs? Tesco, Marks & Spencer, easyJet and countless other leading companies were founded by immigrants or the children of immigrants. As the economist Philippe Legrain points out in his book on the financial crisis, Aftershock, immigrants are twice as likely to start a new business as people born in Britain. Can we talk about how, for the first time, two of our three major political parties are led by sons of immigrants? Nick Clegg's Dutch mother, Hermance van den Wall Bake, met his half-Russian father, Nicholas, on a visit to England in 1956. Ed Miliband's parents fled the Holocaust and arrived on these shores as refugees. His father Ralph caught the last boat to Britain before Belgium was overrun by the Nazis; his mother Marion arrived from Poland in 1947, aged 12 and unable to speak English. Meanwhile, David Cameron's great-great-grandfat her, Emile Levita, a German-Jewish financier, came to this country as a migrant in the 1850s and obtained British citizenship in 1871. I have yet to hear the prime minister mention Levita in a speech. Cameron is also a distant cousin of the Queen. Can we talk about migrants and the monarchy? The German origins of our royal family are often glossed over: prior to 1917, the House of Windsor was the House of Saxe-Coburg and Gotha. And, lest we forget, the Queen's husband, the Duke of Edinburgh, father and grandfather to the next two Kings of England, was born in Corfu as "Prince Philip of Greece and Denmark". Can we talk about the impact of immigrants on another much-loved British institution, the NHS? More than one in three of the UK's registered doctors gained their medical qualification abroad. Official figures obtained by Channel 4 News a year ago revealed that one of the NHS's largest private contractors employed not just immigrants, but illegal immigrants. Without foreign-born workers, the NHS would grind to a halt. Can we talk about immigration and the funding of higher education? One in 10 students in British universities come from outside the EU and these students pay much higher tuition fees than British students – an average of £20,000 a year compared to £3,290. International fees are now a bigger source of income for most universities than research grants. Without foreign-born students, our universities would go bust. Can we talk about the fact that nearly a quarter of Britain's Nobel prize winners were born abroad? Take the Nobel physics laureate, Konstantin Novoselov, who holds both Russian and British citizenship and lives and teaches in Manchester, or the 2010 Nobel prize winner for economics, the British-Cypriot Christopher Pissarides. Can we talk about immigration and the national game? Migrants have helped transform the English Premier League into the world's most popular football league. In 1992, there were only 12 footballers in the Premier League born outside the Commonwealth; two decades on, more than half of the Premier League's clubs could field an entire team of foreign-born players. The current coach of the national team is an economic migrant, the Italian Fabio Capello, as is his predecessor, Swede Sven-Göran Eriksson. (Last month, the linguistically-chall enged Capello insisted he only needed to know 100 words of English to do his job – will the prime minister denounce his high-profile refusal to integrate?) Can we talk about the culinary gifts from migrants? The quintessentially British fish and chips, says historian Panikos Panayi, came from French and Jewish immigrants; this is now a land of pizzas, curries and noodles. Can we talk about all of this? Discussions of immigration tend to revolve around forced marriages and the need for English language lessons. But there is an alternative, positive and uplifting story to tell about the myriad ways in which this country has benefited from its migrant population. In the words of the late Robin Cook: "We should celebrate the enormous contribution of the many communities in Britain to strengthening our economy, to supporting our public services, and to enriching our culture and cuisine." To focus only on the negative side of the ledger is as dangerous as it is disingenuous, irresponsible as it is ill-informed. Hatersgonnahate
  • Score: -33

10:45pm Tue 4 Mar 14

Hatersgonnahate says...

...and while we're on a related subject & the misconception of benefits & immigration let's bust a few of those myths as well, again I ignore all replies & you Daily Mail loving racists don't forget to vote me down, makes my day

10 Facts About Benefits Britain.

1) A TUC survey showed that people think around 41% of benefits go to the unemployed, the real figure is 2.6%.

2) 42% of the Welfare Bill goes to pensioners, 21% goes to people in low paid work.

3) Nearly 80% of JSA claimants stop claiming within 6 months.

4) Of the 7.8 million families receiving child benefit, 1.2 million have more than two children.

5) A TUC survey found that people think around 27% of welfare is lost to fraud – the real figure is only 0.7%, around £1.2 billion.

6) Around £17 billion of benefits that people are entitled to goes unclaimed every year.

7) Immigrants are 60% less likely to claim benefits than a British-born person.

8) 64% of families receive benefits – that’s 20.3 million families.

9) The UK spends 12% less on benefits per head than France does, and 19% less compared to Germany.

10) 93% of new Housing Benefit claimants in 2010 and 2011 came from working people, as UK housing costs are the 3rd highest in Europe.
...and while we're on a related subject & the misconception of benefits & immigration let's bust a few of those myths as well, again I ignore all replies & you Daily Mail loving racists don't forget to vote me down, makes my day 10 Facts About Benefits Britain. 1) A TUC survey showed that people think around 41% of benefits go to the unemployed, the real figure is 2.6%. 2) 42% of the Welfare Bill goes to pensioners, 21% goes to people in low paid work. 3) Nearly 80% of JSA claimants stop claiming within 6 months. 4) Of the 7.8 million families receiving child benefit, 1.2 million have more than two children. 5) A TUC survey found that people think around 27% of welfare is lost to fraud – the real figure is only 0.7%, around £1.2 billion. 6) Around £17 billion of benefits that people are entitled to goes unclaimed every year. 7) Immigrants are 60% less likely to claim benefits than a British-born person. 8) 64% of families receive benefits – that’s 20.3 million families. 9) The UK spends 12% less on benefits per head than France does, and 19% less compared to Germany. 10) 93% of new Housing Benefit claimants in 2010 and 2011 came from working people, as UK housing costs are the 3rd highest in Europe. Hatersgonnahate
  • Score: -29

10:54pm Tue 4 Mar 14

Hatersgonnahate says...

This link to a poem sums up bigoted comments here in a nutshell. It's response will either focus on the poet with abuse or vein attempts at unrelated counter arguments but without a shadow of a doubt not one numnut on the comments here will have the intelligence to dissect a single aspect of the poem & offer an intelligent response. Don't forget I ignore replies & I fully expect negative votes while you foam at my higher intelligence to rubbish your blinkered & bigoted views, you do the math :-)

http://m.youtube.com
/watch?v=bJX5XHnONTI
#
This link to a poem sums up bigoted comments here in a nutshell. It's response will either focus on the poet with abuse or vein attempts at unrelated counter arguments but without a shadow of a doubt not one numnut on the comments here will have the intelligence to dissect a single aspect of the poem & offer an intelligent response. Don't forget I ignore replies & I fully expect negative votes while you foam at my higher intelligence to rubbish your blinkered & bigoted views, you do the math :-) http://m.youtube.com /watch?v=bJX5XHnONTI # Hatersgonnahate
  • Score: -28

11:57pm Tue 4 Mar 14

sarfflondonbird says...

Dr. Nick wrote:
mrs peach wrote:
sarfflondonbird wrote:
sarfflondonbird wrote:
Was using peasant (sorry...pubic) transport yesterday to get to 'trendy' shoreditch to watch my daughter in law sing in the choir there. Didn't encounter that many white English speaking people whilst observing the potential pick pockets....There certainly were a number of suspects to be seen on trains, and not many trendy white English speaking people to be seen at the markets, either buying or selling. It was our little group that were made to feel like the outsiders in our own country, shouldn't be like that.
Oh dear, just realised my key board had been doing it's own thing again. That should have read public in one sentence. What was it thinking? Still, that's the joys of predictive type, hope it made your day.
Nigel is 100% right, The English speaking Brit is made to feel like an outsider, if you went to any other country, ie in Japan you would hear Japanese, China u wud hear |Chinese so on and so forth, it is intimidating for us to be surrounded by foreign languages,
Intimidating? How? You are intimidated by your own prejudice? Wow, that is some accomplishment. I guess you hate gay people as well don't you? Hmmm... It might help you if you woke up one day and realised that they is not just -you- in this big wide world and that other people actually exist and -do- matter. This sort of self-centred, self-opinionated racism is something to be ashamed of and not proud of - trying to dress it up as Nationalism is a joke as if you were truly proud of your nation you would stop whining and about feeling like a minority. If 'white English' people were to suffer one ounce of what the real minorities have to suffer, then you would have a point.

I myself am white English (born here of Irish and Welsh ancestry), I consider myself a European and very proud of the fact that I live in a multicultural country where my friends from other countries want to come to - London is a capital to be proud and is admired throughout the world. I am glad that most of my friends do not encounter your sort, the racist bigots who 'think' they are in a minority. You are only in a minority with your outmoded views and opinions.

There is one minority you can be fitted into, that is the one of Racist. At least being a 'friend of Nigel' makes it easier for the majority to identify you.
Well it would seem thatfrom reading reports and comments on similar topics in most national papers, that the one thing we like minded people think of being bombarded with unwanted foreigners who have no wish to integrate with English, Welsh, Irish and Scottish in any way, shape or form, apart from our benefits and social welfare systems are in a majority but we don't see
ourselves as racists, just trying to preserve what is left of a one great but failing Island
[quote][p][bold]Dr. Nick[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mrs peach[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sarfflondonbird[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sarfflondonbird[/bold] wrote: Was using peasant (sorry...pubic) transport yesterday to get to 'trendy' shoreditch to watch my daughter in law sing in the choir there. Didn't encounter that many white English speaking people whilst observing the potential pick pockets....There certainly were a number of suspects to be seen on trains, and not many trendy white English speaking people to be seen at the markets, either buying or selling. It was our little group that were made to feel like the outsiders in our own country, shouldn't be like that.[/p][/quote]Oh dear, just realised my key board had been doing it's own thing again. That should have read public in one sentence. What was it thinking? Still, that's the joys of predictive type, hope it made your day.[/p][/quote]Nigel is 100% right, The English speaking Brit is made to feel like an outsider, if you went to any other country, ie in Japan you would hear Japanese, China u wud hear |Chinese so on and so forth, it is intimidating for us to be surrounded by foreign languages,[/p][/quote]Intimidating? How? You are intimidated by your own prejudice? Wow, that is some accomplishment. I guess you hate gay people as well don't you? Hmmm... It might help you if you woke up one day and realised that they is not just -you- in this big wide world and that other people actually exist and -do- matter. This sort of self-centred, self-opinionated racism is something to be ashamed of and not proud of - trying to dress it up as Nationalism is a joke as if you were truly proud of your nation you would stop whining and about feeling like a minority. If 'white English' people were to suffer one ounce of what the real minorities have to suffer, then you would have a point. I myself am white English (born here of Irish and Welsh ancestry), I consider myself a European and very proud of the fact that I live in a multicultural country where my friends from other countries want to come to - London is a capital to be proud and is admired throughout the world. I am glad that most of my friends do not encounter your sort, the racist bigots who 'think' they are in a minority. You are only in a minority with your outmoded views and opinions. There is one minority you can be fitted into, that is the one of Racist. At least being a 'friend of Nigel' makes it easier for the majority to identify you.[/p][/quote]Well it would seem thatfrom reading reports and comments on similar topics in most national papers, that the one thing we like minded people think of being bombarded with unwanted foreigners who have no wish to integrate with English, Welsh, Irish and Scottish in any way, shape or form, apart from our benefits and social welfare systems are in a majority but we don't see ourselves as racists, just trying to preserve what is left of a one great but failing Island sarfflondonbird
  • Score: 82

12:34am Wed 5 Mar 14

Hatersgonnahate says...

You wrote - Well it would seem thatfrom reading reports and comments on similar topics in most national papers, that the one thing we like minded people think of being bombarded with unwanted foreigners who have no wish to integrate with English, Welsh, Irish and Scottish in any way, shape or form, apart from our benefits and social welfare systems are in a majority but we don't see
ourselves as racists, just trying to preserve what is left of a one great but failing Island.

Let's break your comments down, what national papers do you refer to? Is it the very accurate Sun, what does it's circulation correlate to the UK population as being representative? A paper that has semi naked girls dressed in school uniforms as entertainment for its readers & favoured by knuckle heads driving white vans or is it the Daily Mail claimed for its distortion of facts? Then there's The Guardian & Daily Mirror who often counter your so called popular culture!
However if you'd read my last posts immigrants claim less in welfare than UK born counterparts! Considerably less but shamefully you'd believe the Scum newspaper for your facts!
What's so great about our nation that's affected by immigration? Is it the immigrant workforce holding up the NHS on low pay? Or the immigrants that built our roads? Or the immigrants driving our buses & trains? Or the immigrant workforce so often seen in the cleaning industry because they're not shy of hard work? Is it the immigrants who play in the premiership league you dislike? Maybe the immigrants that share their cuisine in countless ethnic restaurants? Is it immigrants with black skin you dislike so much? How else could you discriminate unless you had a marker to go by? I'm born from an Irish immigrant but have white skin, how is that different? It's because you get your facts from the Sun or is it your 15 minutes of fame on the NS comments section plagued by the same trolls week in week out?
You wrote - Well it would seem thatfrom reading reports and comments on similar topics in most national papers, that the one thing we like minded people think of being bombarded with unwanted foreigners who have no wish to integrate with English, Welsh, Irish and Scottish in any way, shape or form, apart from our benefits and social welfare systems are in a majority but we don't see ourselves as racists, just trying to preserve what is left of a one great but failing Island. Let's break your comments down, what national papers do you refer to? Is it the very accurate Sun, what does it's circulation correlate to the UK population as being representative? A paper that has semi naked girls dressed in school uniforms as entertainment for its readers & favoured by knuckle heads driving white vans or is it the Daily Mail claimed for its distortion of facts? Then there's The Guardian & Daily Mirror who often counter your so called popular culture! However if you'd read my last posts immigrants claim less in welfare than UK born counterparts! Considerably less but shamefully you'd believe the Scum newspaper for your facts! What's so great about our nation that's affected by immigration? Is it the immigrant workforce holding up the NHS on low pay? Or the immigrants that built our roads? Or the immigrants driving our buses & trains? Or the immigrant workforce so often seen in the cleaning industry because they're not shy of hard work? Is it the immigrants who play in the premiership league you dislike? Maybe the immigrants that share their cuisine in countless ethnic restaurants? Is it immigrants with black skin you dislike so much? How else could you discriminate unless you had a marker to go by? I'm born from an Irish immigrant but have white skin, how is that different? It's because you get your facts from the Sun or is it your 15 minutes of fame on the NS comments section plagued by the same trolls week in week out? Hatersgonnahate
  • Score: -37

10:39am Wed 5 Mar 14

Gypo.Joe says...

Hatersgonnahate you nailed it !

Thank you.
Hatersgonnahate you nailed it ! Thank you. Gypo.Joe
  • Score: -36

11:39am Wed 5 Mar 14

ArtfulPodger says...

I do this journey everyday and can honestly say this not something i have ever noticed, i'm pretty sure Farage is talking out of his ****. I have literally never felt uncomfortable because I may have over heard someone talking in a foreign language whether in Orpington, London Manchester or anywhere else in the world. Because that it how globalisation and migration works. If you think thats a bad thing you should have started preventing it back when Inuits crossed over to North America or stepped in when the silk road was being established in 206 BC.

If you are uncomfortable or uneasy when you hear someone speaking in a foreign language i would suggest you stop listening to Farage and the Dailymail, reconsider your life and start enjoying the fact that people are people no matter where you are and the fact your mum was in England when you were born does not give you a divine right to do anything.

If you don't like it, join the greater number of English people emigrating to countries like spain and make sure, as im sure they have, you get that degree in modern languages completed.
I do this journey everyday and can honestly say this not something i have ever noticed, i'm pretty sure Farage is talking out of his ****. I have literally never felt uncomfortable because I may have over heard someone talking in a foreign language whether in Orpington, London Manchester or anywhere else in the world. Because that it how globalisation and migration works. If you think thats a bad thing you should have started preventing it back when Inuits crossed over to North America or stepped in when the silk road was being established in 206 BC. If you are uncomfortable or uneasy when you hear someone speaking in a foreign language i would suggest you stop listening to Farage and the Dailymail, reconsider your life and start enjoying the fact that people are people no matter where you are and the fact your mum was in England when you were born does not give you a divine right to do anything. If you don't like it, join the greater number of English people emigrating to countries like spain and make sure, as im sure they have, you get that degree in modern languages completed. ArtfulPodger
  • Score: -32

11:51am Wed 5 Mar 14

skinnt says...

Im glad to announce that goats/chickens are no longer aloud on buses that pass through Lewisham/Catford between 9AM and 6PM. Thank you Lewisham. Not that I have anything against goats/chickens after all we are all gods creatures.
Im glad to announce that goats/chickens are no longer aloud on buses that pass through Lewisham/Catford between 9AM and 6PM. Thank you Lewisham. Not that I have anything against goats/chickens after all we are all gods creatures. skinnt
  • Score: 6

1:51pm Wed 5 Mar 14

Dr. Nick says...

Hatersgonnahate you star - thank you for stating so eloquently how the majority in this country feel. I note that the racists on here now have nothing to say - well done.
Hatersgonnahate you star - thank you for stating so eloquently how the majority in this country feel. I note that the racists on here now have nothing to say - well done. Dr. Nick
  • Score: -32

2:44pm Wed 5 Mar 14

Hatersgonnahate says...

Dr. Nick wrote:
Hatersgonnahate you star - thank you for stating so eloquently how the majority in this country feel. I note that the racists on here now have nothing to say - well done.
Thank you Dr Nick, it's disgusting beyond belief the amount of openly racist comments on here & obviously supported by the editorial staff. The constant & bigoted comments on here often by serial trolls & how frenzied they become waiting to return to pile up there negative votes to the likes of you & me. A real shame on society especially when it become entrenched and passed own to their children. It never ceases to amaze me the myths they believe about immigration & welfare benefits with immigrants 60% less likely to claim than white uk born. God forbid if your picture is in the NS and you happen to be overweight, black, disabled or on welfare! The trolls on here are like a pack if vicious wild animals waiting to pounce! I guarantee within the hour I'll have a pile of negative votes & yet they fail to realise there falling straight into my trap. But stand up to the we must because they do lack the intelligence to even sit on a toilet the right way found.
[quote][p][bold]Dr. Nick[/bold] wrote: Hatersgonnahate you star - thank you for stating so eloquently how the majority in this country feel. I note that the racists on here now have nothing to say - well done.[/p][/quote]Thank you Dr Nick, it's disgusting beyond belief the amount of openly racist comments on here & obviously supported by the editorial staff. The constant & bigoted comments on here often by serial trolls & how frenzied they become waiting to return to pile up there negative votes to the likes of you & me. A real shame on society especially when it become entrenched and passed own to their children. It never ceases to amaze me the myths they believe about immigration & welfare benefits with immigrants 60% less likely to claim than white uk born. God forbid if your picture is in the NS and you happen to be overweight, black, disabled or on welfare! The trolls on here are like a pack if vicious wild animals waiting to pounce! I guarantee within the hour I'll have a pile of negative votes & yet they fail to realise there falling straight into my trap. But stand up to the we must because they do lack the intelligence to even sit on a toilet the right way found. Hatersgonnahate
  • Score: -33

3:14pm Wed 5 Mar 14

Gypo.Joe says...

Hatersgonnahate I've been standing up to the BNP trolls for years on here along with some others. Not as eloquent as you though I have to admit.

Your comments are a pleasure to read.
Hatersgonnahate I've been standing up to the BNP trolls for years on here along with some others. Not as eloquent as you though I have to admit. Your comments are a pleasure to read. Gypo.Joe
  • Score: -38

3:55pm Wed 5 Mar 14

Prince/Porpoise says...

Whilst I am slightly depressed that I had to scroll so far down the comments to get to them, I leave this page at least slightly buoyed up by the fact that there are some readers who are not entirely brimming with hatred.

This country has long been the natural home of anyone who shares the essentially British values of freedom and respect, wherever they are from, and long may it continue to be so. In my opinion, the diversity of this country is its greatest asset and I am immensely proud of the vast majority of the people who live here for setting an example to the world as to just how civilised, tolerant, human society should work.

Let's hope that Farage and his lot start using alternative forms of transport.
Whilst I am slightly depressed that I had to scroll so far down the comments to get to them, I leave this page at least slightly buoyed up by the fact that there are some readers who are not entirely brimming with hatred. This country has long been the natural home of anyone who shares the essentially British values of freedom and respect, wherever they are from, and long may it continue to be so. In my opinion, the diversity of this country is its greatest asset and I am immensely proud of the vast majority of the people who live here for setting an example to the world as to just how civilised, tolerant, human society should work. Let's hope that Farage and his lot start using alternative forms of transport. Prince/Porpoise
  • Score: -30

4:58pm Wed 5 Mar 14

Hatersgonnahate says...

Gypo.Joe wrote:
Hatersgonnahate I've been standing up to the BNP trolls for years on here along with some others. Not as eloquent as you though I have to admit.

Your comments are a pleasure to read.
Thank you, I've seen several of your comments standing up to such right wing trash & long my it continue, The Guardian newspaper archives are an excellent resource to counter any racist argument & backed up with substantial evidence, sadly often lost on the majority of thick Sun reading numbskulls that troll these boards.
[quote][p][bold]Gypo.Joe[/bold] wrote: Hatersgonnahate I've been standing up to the BNP trolls for years on here along with some others. Not as eloquent as you though I have to admit. Your comments are a pleasure to read.[/p][/quote]Thank you, I've seen several of your comments standing up to such right wing trash & long my it continue, The Guardian newspaper archives are an excellent resource to counter any racist argument & backed up with substantial evidence, sadly often lost on the majority of thick Sun reading numbskulls that troll these boards. Hatersgonnahate
  • Score: -40

5:02pm Wed 5 Mar 14

Ferdy54 says...

How come we keep being told its all multicultural now and how we should integrate, but asians/east europeans are not the slightest bit interested in doing so?
How come we keep being told its all multicultural now and how we should integrate, but asians/east europeans are not the slightest bit interested in doing so? Ferdy54
  • Score: 46

5:31pm Wed 5 Mar 14

Dr. Nick says...

Ferdy54 wrote:
How come we keep being told its all multicultural now and how we should integrate, but asians/east europeans are not the slightest bit interested in doing so?
The simple answer to this:
Because that information is circulated by the media (such as The Sun and Daily Mail), people start to believe it because "it must be true, they said so in the paper", they then tell their friends about this 'fact' and so it spreads...

The honest truth:
Most Asian/Eastern Europeans want to and try to integrate into our society, but when they come face to face with the bigoted lies spread by the aforementioned newspapers and rumour-mill, they become offered and justifiably distrustful and try to keep to their own community where they feel safer - so it is the attitudes of racists and bigots that stop the integration.

I know lots of lovely families who I now consider friends. We are all people after all trying to make our way in life and where we come from does not matter.

So please, rather than just believing that these people have no interest in integration - hold out the hand of friendship then make your own decision; you may find you have just made the best friend you will ever have.
[quote][p][bold]Ferdy54[/bold] wrote: How come we keep being told its all multicultural now and how we should integrate, but asians/east europeans are not the slightest bit interested in doing so?[/p][/quote]The simple answer to this: Because that information is circulated by the media (such as The Sun and Daily Mail), people start to believe it because "it must be true, they said so in the paper", they then tell their friends about this 'fact' and so it spreads... The honest truth: Most Asian/Eastern Europeans want to and try to integrate into our society, but when they come face to face with the bigoted lies spread by the aforementioned newspapers and rumour-mill, they become offered and justifiably distrustful and try to keep to their own community where they feel safer - so it is the attitudes of racists and bigots that stop the integration. I know lots of lovely families who I now consider friends. We are all people after all trying to make our way in life and where we come from does not matter. So please, rather than just believing that these people have no interest in integration - hold out the hand of friendship then make your own decision; you may find you have just made the best friend you will ever have. Dr. Nick
  • Score: -48

6:18pm Wed 5 Mar 14

Dr. Nick says...

That should have read "they become offended" not offered... (sorry, fast typing error)
That should have read "they become offended" not offered... (sorry, fast typing error) Dr. Nick
  • Score: -15

4:18am Thu 6 Mar 14

sarfflondonbird says...

Hatersgonnahate wrote:
You wrote - Well it would seem thatfrom reading reports and comments on similar topics in most national papers, that the one thing we like minded people think of being bombarded with unwanted foreigners who have no wish to integrate with English, Welsh, Irish and Scottish in any way, shape or form, apart from our benefits and social welfare systems are in a majority but we don't see
ourselves as racists, just trying to preserve what is left of a one great but failing Island.

Let's break your comments down, what national papers do you refer to? Is it the very accurate Sun, what does it's circulation correlate to the UK population as being representative? A paper that has semi naked girls dressed in school uniforms as entertainment for its readers & favoured by knuckle heads driving white vans or is it the Daily Mail claimed for its distortion of facts? Then there's The Guardian & Daily Mirror who often counter your so called popular culture!
However if you'd read my last posts immigrants claim less in welfare than UK born counterparts! Considerably less but shamefully you'd believe the Scum newspaper for your facts!
What's so great about our nation that's affected by immigration? Is it the immigrant workforce holding up the NHS on low pay? Or the immigrants that built our roads? Or the immigrants driving our buses & trains? Or the immigrant workforce so often seen in the cleaning industry because they're not shy of hard work? Is it the immigrants who play in the premiership league you dislike? Maybe the immigrants that share their cuisine in countless ethnic restaurants? Is it immigrants with black skin you dislike so much? How else could you discriminate unless you had a marker to go by? I'm born from an Irish immigrant but have white skin, how is that different? It's because you get your facts from the Sun or is it your 15 minutes of fame on the NS comments section plagued by the same trolls week in week out?
If your comments weren't s oooooo lengthy, and boring to excess, I might take time to read them. I gather you are trying to impress with your intellectual ways and thoughts, but some times you have no idea why people such as myself and others make such comments, all of which are valid points, as you feel with your own beliefs, and for your information, my comments/opinions are based on personal experiences.
[quote][p][bold]Hatersgonnahate[/bold] wrote: You wrote - Well it would seem thatfrom reading reports and comments on similar topics in most national papers, that the one thing we like minded people think of being bombarded with unwanted foreigners who have no wish to integrate with English, Welsh, Irish and Scottish in any way, shape or form, apart from our benefits and social welfare systems are in a majority but we don't see ourselves as racists, just trying to preserve what is left of a one great but failing Island. Let's break your comments down, what national papers do you refer to? Is it the very accurate Sun, what does it's circulation correlate to the UK population as being representative? A paper that has semi naked girls dressed in school uniforms as entertainment for its readers & favoured by knuckle heads driving white vans or is it the Daily Mail claimed for its distortion of facts? Then there's The Guardian & Daily Mirror who often counter your so called popular culture! However if you'd read my last posts immigrants claim less in welfare than UK born counterparts! Considerably less but shamefully you'd believe the Scum newspaper for your facts! What's so great about our nation that's affected by immigration? Is it the immigrant workforce holding up the NHS on low pay? Or the immigrants that built our roads? Or the immigrants driving our buses & trains? Or the immigrant workforce so often seen in the cleaning industry because they're not shy of hard work? Is it the immigrants who play in the premiership league you dislike? Maybe the immigrants that share their cuisine in countless ethnic restaurants? Is it immigrants with black skin you dislike so much? How else could you discriminate unless you had a marker to go by? I'm born from an Irish immigrant but have white skin, how is that different? It's because you get your facts from the Sun or is it your 15 minutes of fame on the NS comments section plagued by the same trolls week in week out?[/p][/quote]If your comments weren't s oooooo lengthy, and boring to excess, I might take time to read them. I gather you are trying to impress with your intellectual ways and thoughts, but some times you have no idea why people such as myself and others make such comments, all of which are valid points, as you feel with your own beliefs, and for your information, my comments/opinions are based on personal experiences. sarfflondonbird
  • Score: 45

4:35am Thu 6 Mar 14

sarfflondonbird says...

Dr. Nick wrote:
Ferdy54 wrote:
How come we keep being told its all multicultural now and how we should integrate, but asians/east europeans are not the slightest bit interested in doing so?
The simple answer to this:
Because that information is circulated by the media (such as The Sun and Daily Mail), people start to believe it because "it must be true, they said so in the paper", they then tell their friends about this 'fact' and so it spreads...

The honest truth:
Most Asian/Eastern Europeans want to and try to integrate into our society, but when they come face to face with the bigoted lies spread by the aforementioned newspapers and rumour-mill, they become offered and justifiably distrustful and try to keep to their own community where they feel safer - so it is the attitudes of racists and bigots that stop the integration.

I know lots of lovely families who I now consider friends. We are all people after all trying to make our way in life and where we come from does not matter.

So please, rather than just believing that these people have no interest in integration - hold out the hand of friendship then make your own decision; you may find you have just made the best friend you will ever have.
Re your second paragraph, the same applies the other way around. You try to befriend Asians only to be treated with dirty looks and hostility to start off with. Then you wonder why you bothered, they don't want to know, all their interested in is taking your money. The only Asians I do find pleasant and friendly are the Chinese/ vietnamese people with whom I have no problems with, oh and some Polish but that doesn't mean I want them taking over the country like other races have since the 50's and 60's onwards.
[quote][p][bold]Dr. Nick[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ferdy54[/bold] wrote: How come we keep being told its all multicultural now and how we should integrate, but asians/east europeans are not the slightest bit interested in doing so?[/p][/quote]The simple answer to this: Because that information is circulated by the media (such as The Sun and Daily Mail), people start to believe it because "it must be true, they said so in the paper", they then tell their friends about this 'fact' and so it spreads... The honest truth: Most Asian/Eastern Europeans want to and try to integrate into our society, but when they come face to face with the bigoted lies spread by the aforementioned newspapers and rumour-mill, they become offered and justifiably distrustful and try to keep to their own community where they feel safer - so it is the attitudes of racists and bigots that stop the integration. I know lots of lovely families who I now consider friends. We are all people after all trying to make our way in life and where we come from does not matter. So please, rather than just believing that these people have no interest in integration - hold out the hand of friendship then make your own decision; you may find you have just made the best friend you will ever have.[/p][/quote]Re your second paragraph, the same applies the other way around. You try to befriend Asians only to be treated with dirty looks and hostility to start off with. Then you wonder why you bothered, they don't want to know, all their interested in is taking your money. The only Asians I do find pleasant and friendly are the Chinese/ vietnamese people with whom I have no problems with, oh and some Polish but that doesn't mean I want them taking over the country like other races have since the 50's and 60's onwards. sarfflondonbird
  • Score: 82

8:10am Thu 6 Mar 14

Dr. Nick says...

sarfflondonbird wrote:
Dr. Nick wrote:
Ferdy54 wrote:
How come we keep being told its all multicultural now and how we should integrate, but asians/east europeans are not the slightest bit interested in doing so?
The simple answer to this:
Because that information is circulated by the media (such as The Sun and Daily Mail), people start to believe it because "it must be true, they said so in the paper", they then tell their friends about this 'fact' and so it spreads...

The honest truth:
Most Asian/Eastern Europeans want to and try to integrate into our society, but when they come face to face with the bigoted lies spread by the aforementioned newspapers and rumour-mill, they become offered and justifiably distrustful and try to keep to their own community where they feel safer - so it is the attitudes of racists and bigots that stop the integration.

I know lots of lovely families who I now consider friends. We are all people after all trying to make our way in life and where we come from does not matter.

So please, rather than just believing that these people have no interest in integration - hold out the hand of friendship then make your own decision; you may find you have just made the best friend you will ever have.
Re your second paragraph, the same applies the other way around. You try to befriend Asians only to be treated with dirty looks and hostility to start off with. Then you wonder why you bothered, they don't want to know, all their interested in is taking your money. The only Asians I do find pleasant and friendly are the Chinese/ vietnamese people with whom I have no problems with, oh and some Polish but that doesn't mean I want them taking over the country like other races have since the 50's and 60's onwards.
I have long feared your problem is that you don't read enough to understand the things around you. Thank you for finally admitting to this:

"If your comments weren't soooooo" inaccurate "and boring to excess, I might take time to read them."

You see, "the same applies the other way around".

Next excuse please ...
[quote][p][bold]sarfflondonbird[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dr. Nick[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ferdy54[/bold] wrote: How come we keep being told its all multicultural now and how we should integrate, but asians/east europeans are not the slightest bit interested in doing so?[/p][/quote]The simple answer to this: Because that information is circulated by the media (such as The Sun and Daily Mail), people start to believe it because "it must be true, they said so in the paper", they then tell their friends about this 'fact' and so it spreads... The honest truth: Most Asian/Eastern Europeans want to and try to integrate into our society, but when they come face to face with the bigoted lies spread by the aforementioned newspapers and rumour-mill, they become offered and justifiably distrustful and try to keep to their own community where they feel safer - so it is the attitudes of racists and bigots that stop the integration. I know lots of lovely families who I now consider friends. We are all people after all trying to make our way in life and where we come from does not matter. So please, rather than just believing that these people have no interest in integration - hold out the hand of friendship then make your own decision; you may find you have just made the best friend you will ever have.[/p][/quote]Re your second paragraph, the same applies the other way around. You try to befriend Asians only to be treated with dirty looks and hostility to start off with. Then you wonder why you bothered, they don't want to know, all their interested in is taking your money. The only Asians I do find pleasant and friendly are the Chinese/ vietnamese people with whom I have no problems with, oh and some Polish but that doesn't mean I want them taking over the country like other races have since the 50's and 60's onwards.[/p][/quote]I have long feared your problem is that you don't read enough to understand the things around you. Thank you for finally admitting to this: "If your comments weren't soooooo" inaccurate "and boring to excess, I might take time to read them." You see, "the same applies the other way around". Next excuse please ... Dr. Nick
  • Score: -55

8:17am Thu 6 Mar 14

Dr. Nick says...

sarfflondonbird wrote:
Hatersgonnahate wrote:
You wrote - Well it would seem thatfrom reading reports and comments on similar topics in most national papers, that the one thing we like minded people think of being bombarded with unwanted foreigners who have no wish to integrate with English, Welsh, Irish and Scottish in any way, shape or form, apart from our benefits and social welfare systems are in a majority but we don't see
ourselves as racists, just trying to preserve what is left of a one great but failing Island.

Let's break your comments down, what national papers do you refer to? Is it the very accurate Sun, what does it's circulation correlate to the UK population as being representative? A paper that has semi naked girls dressed in school uniforms as entertainment for its readers & favoured by knuckle heads driving white vans or is it the Daily Mail claimed for its distortion of facts? Then there's The Guardian & Daily Mirror who often counter your so called popular culture!
However if you'd read my last posts immigrants claim less in welfare than UK born counterparts! Considerably less but shamefully you'd believe the Scum newspaper for your facts!
What's so great about our nation that's affected by immigration? Is it the immigrant workforce holding up the NHS on low pay? Or the immigrants that built our roads? Or the immigrants driving our buses & trains? Or the immigrant workforce so often seen in the cleaning industry because they're not shy of hard work? Is it the immigrants who play in the premiership league you dislike? Maybe the immigrants that share their cuisine in countless ethnic restaurants? Is it immigrants with black skin you dislike so much? How else could you discriminate unless you had a marker to go by? I'm born from an Irish immigrant but have white skin, how is that different? It's because you get your facts from the Sun or is it your 15 minutes of fame on the NS comments section plagued by the same trolls week in week out?
If your comments weren't s oooooo lengthy, and boring to excess, I might take time to read them. I gather you are trying to impress with your intellectual ways and thoughts, but some times you have no idea why people such as myself and others make such comments, all of which are valid points, as you feel with your own beliefs, and for your information, my comments/opinions are based on personal experiences.
Perhaps the inclusion of pictures would help you? ... This is far from highbrow reading material - if you expect people to read your comments (which I think you do), the least you can do is give someone the common curtesy of reading theirs (even if you don't understand it) - to openly admit that you are not attempting to read a comment and then to slag the individual off, shows not only as lack of manners but also a lack of basic intelligence.

Please read comments before posting.
[quote][p][bold]sarfflondonbird[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Hatersgonnahate[/bold] wrote: You wrote - Well it would seem thatfrom reading reports and comments on similar topics in most national papers, that the one thing we like minded people think of being bombarded with unwanted foreigners who have no wish to integrate with English, Welsh, Irish and Scottish in any way, shape or form, apart from our benefits and social welfare systems are in a majority but we don't see ourselves as racists, just trying to preserve what is left of a one great but failing Island. Let's break your comments down, what national papers do you refer to? Is it the very accurate Sun, what does it's circulation correlate to the UK population as being representative? A paper that has semi naked girls dressed in school uniforms as entertainment for its readers & favoured by knuckle heads driving white vans or is it the Daily Mail claimed for its distortion of facts? Then there's The Guardian & Daily Mirror who often counter your so called popular culture! However if you'd read my last posts immigrants claim less in welfare than UK born counterparts! Considerably less but shamefully you'd believe the Scum newspaper for your facts! What's so great about our nation that's affected by immigration? Is it the immigrant workforce holding up the NHS on low pay? Or the immigrants that built our roads? Or the immigrants driving our buses & trains? Or the immigrant workforce so often seen in the cleaning industry because they're not shy of hard work? Is it the immigrants who play in the premiership league you dislike? Maybe the immigrants that share their cuisine in countless ethnic restaurants? Is it immigrants with black skin you dislike so much? How else could you discriminate unless you had a marker to go by? I'm born from an Irish immigrant but have white skin, how is that different? It's because you get your facts from the Sun or is it your 15 minutes of fame on the NS comments section plagued by the same trolls week in week out?[/p][/quote]If your comments weren't s oooooo lengthy, and boring to excess, I might take time to read them. I gather you are trying to impress with your intellectual ways and thoughts, but some times you have no idea why people such as myself and others make such comments, all of which are valid points, as you feel with your own beliefs, and for your information, my comments/opinions are based on personal experiences.[/p][/quote]Perhaps the inclusion of pictures would help you? ... This is far from highbrow reading material - if you expect people to read your comments (which I think you do), the least you can do is give someone the common curtesy of reading theirs (even if you don't understand it) - to openly admit that you are not attempting to read a comment and then to slag the individual off, shows not only as lack of manners but also a lack of basic intelligence. Please read comments before posting. Dr. Nick
  • Score: -56

8:55am Thu 6 Mar 14

JoeBlobbs says...

****STOP THE PRESS******

NewsShopper comments section is taken from the white extremists by rational thinking and intelligent people. After a long battle it seems some reasonable views have broken through and are far stronger than anything the haters have to offer.

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****STOP THE PRESS****** NewsShopper comments section is taken from the white extremists by rational thinking and intelligent people. After a long battle it seems some reasonable views have broken through and are far stronger than anything the haters have to offer. ******************** *********** JoeBlobbs
  • Score: 81

10:47am Thu 6 Mar 14

Gypo.Joe says...

JoeBlobbs wrote:
****STOP THE PRESS******

NewsShopper comments section is taken from the white extremists by rational thinking and intelligent people. After a long battle it seems some reasonable views have broken through and are far stronger than anything the haters have to offer.

********************

***********
YES !!!! HOO RAY for common sense. You only have to read sarflondonturds mindless rant to see where 'its 'mind is at.

" but that doesn't mean I want them taking over the country like other races have since the 50's and 60's onwards."

That little part of 'its' sentence tells you by innuendo exactly what 'its' thinking. You could of in fact made it even clearer perhaps by including the name of the first ship into Tilbury the Empire Windrush.
[quote][p][bold]JoeBlobbs[/bold] wrote: ****STOP THE PRESS****** NewsShopper comments section is taken from the white extremists by rational thinking and intelligent people. After a long battle it seems some reasonable views have broken through and are far stronger than anything the haters have to offer. ******************** ***********[/p][/quote]YES !!!! HOO RAY for common sense. You only have to read sarflondonturds mindless rant to see where 'its 'mind is at. " but that doesn't mean I want them taking over the country like other races have since the 50's and 60's onwards." That little part of 'its' sentence tells you by innuendo exactly what 'its' thinking. You could of in fact made it even clearer perhaps by including the name of the first ship into Tilbury the Empire Windrush. Gypo.Joe
  • Score: -29

1:38pm Thu 6 Mar 14

DinoFish says...

Gypo.Joe wrote:
JoeBlobbs wrote: ****STOP THE PRESS****** NewsShopper comments section is taken from the white extremists by rational thinking and intelligent people. After a long battle it seems some reasonable views have broken through and are far stronger than anything the haters have to offer. ******************** ***********
YES !!!! HOO RAY for common sense. You only have to read sarflondonturds mindless rant to see where 'its 'mind is at. " but that doesn't mean I want them taking over the country like other races have since the 50's and 60's onwards." That little part of 'its' sentence tells you by innuendo exactly what 'its' thinking. You could of in fact made it even clearer perhaps by including the name of the first ship into Tilbury the Empire Windrush.
Quality....
[quote][p][bold]Gypo.Joe[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]JoeBlobbs[/bold] wrote: ****STOP THE PRESS****** NewsShopper comments section is taken from the white extremists by rational thinking and intelligent people. After a long battle it seems some reasonable views have broken through and are far stronger than anything the haters have to offer. ******************** ***********[/p][/quote]YES !!!! HOO RAY for common sense. You only have to read sarflondonturds mindless rant to see where 'its 'mind is at. " but that doesn't mean I want them taking over the country like other races have since the 50's and 60's onwards." That little part of 'its' sentence tells you by innuendo exactly what 'its' thinking. You could of in fact made it even clearer perhaps by including the name of the first ship into Tilbury the Empire Windrush.[/p][/quote]Quality.... DinoFish
  • Score: -19

3:01pm Thu 6 Mar 14

Simon Bull says...

Hatersgonnahate wrote:
Dr. Nick wrote:
Hatersgonnahate you star - thank you for stating so eloquently how the majority in this country feel. I note that the racists on here now have nothing to say - well done.
Thank you Dr Nick, it's disgusting beyond belief the amount of openly racist comments on here & obviously supported by the editorial staff. The constant & bigoted comments on here often by serial trolls & how frenzied they become waiting to return to pile up there negative votes to the likes of you & me. A real shame on society especially when it become entrenched and passed own to their children. It never ceases to amaze me the myths they believe about immigration & welfare benefits with immigrants 60% less likely to claim than white uk born. God forbid if your picture is in the NS and you happen to be overweight, black, disabled or on welfare! The trolls on here are like a pack if vicious wild animals waiting to pounce! I guarantee within the hour I'll have a pile of negative votes & yet they fail to realise there falling straight into my trap. But stand up to the we must because they do lack the intelligence to even sit on a toilet the right way found.
Hello Hatersgonnahate . Thanks very much for your comments on here. You've made a number of interesting and valid points.

I do, however, need to take issue on one thing you said - namely: "... openly racist comments on here & obviously supported by the editorial staff." This is a completely untrue and outrageous accusation.

We do not in any way condone or support racist behaviour. You need to bear in mind we DO NOT moderate comments on these threads at all either before they are published or afterwards. We only intervene when somebody uses the very clearly marked 'report this post' button to flag up inappropriate content. In this case nobody has done that, which is why certain comments remain on here.

Ignorant idiots who spout racist drivel are most definitely not welcome on this site.
[quote][p][bold]Hatersgonnahate[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dr. Nick[/bold] wrote: Hatersgonnahate you star - thank you for stating so eloquently how the majority in this country feel. I note that the racists on here now have nothing to say - well done.[/p][/quote]Thank you Dr Nick, it's disgusting beyond belief the amount of openly racist comments on here & obviously supported by the editorial staff. The constant & bigoted comments on here often by serial trolls & how frenzied they become waiting to return to pile up there negative votes to the likes of you & me. A real shame on society especially when it become entrenched and passed own to their children. It never ceases to amaze me the myths they believe about immigration & welfare benefits with immigrants 60% less likely to claim than white uk born. God forbid if your picture is in the NS and you happen to be overweight, black, disabled or on welfare! The trolls on here are like a pack if vicious wild animals waiting to pounce! I guarantee within the hour I'll have a pile of negative votes & yet they fail to realise there falling straight into my trap. But stand up to the we must because they do lack the intelligence to even sit on a toilet the right way found.[/p][/quote]Hello Hatersgonnahate . Thanks very much for your comments on here. You've made a number of interesting and valid points. I do, however, need to take issue on one thing you said - namely: "... openly racist comments on here & obviously supported by the editorial staff." This is a completely untrue and outrageous accusation. We do not in any way condone or support racist behaviour. You need to bear in mind we DO NOT moderate comments on these threads at all either before they are published or afterwards. We only intervene when somebody uses the very clearly marked 'report this post' button to flag up inappropriate content. In this case nobody has done that, which is why certain comments remain on here. Ignorant idiots who spout racist drivel are most definitely not welcome on this site. Simon Bull
  • Score: 14

5:02pm Thu 6 Mar 14

Hatersgonnahate says...

Simon Bull wrote:
Hatersgonnahate wrote:
Dr. Nick wrote:
Hatersgonnahate you star - thank you for stating so eloquently how the majority in this country feel. I note that the racists on here now have nothing to say - well done.
Thank you Dr Nick, it's disgusting beyond belief the amount of openly racist comments on here & obviously supported by the editorial staff. The constant & bigoted comments on here often by serial trolls & how frenzied they become waiting to return to pile up there negative votes to the likes of you & me. A real shame on society especially when it become entrenched and passed own to their children. It never ceases to amaze me the myths they believe about immigration & welfare benefits with immigrants 60% less likely to claim than white uk born. God forbid if your picture is in the NS and you happen to be overweight, black, disabled or on welfare! The trolls on here are like a pack if vicious wild animals waiting to pounce! I guarantee within the hour I'll have a pile of negative votes & yet they fail to realise there falling straight into my trap. But stand up to the we must because they do lack the intelligence to even sit on a toilet the right way found.
Hello Hatersgonnahate . Thanks very much for your comments on here. You've made a number of interesting and valid points.

I do, however, need to take issue on one thing you said - namely: "... openly racist comments on here & obviously supported by the editorial staff." This is a completely untrue and outrageous accusation.

We do not in any way condone or support racist behaviour. You need to bear in mind we DO NOT moderate comments on these threads at all either before they are published or afterwards. We only intervene when somebody uses the very clearly marked 'report this post' button to flag up inappropriate content. In this case nobody has done that, which is why certain comments remain on here.

Ignorant idiots who spout racist drivel are most definitely not welcome on this site.
I disagree with most of what you state. What does the NS feel with the following two comments especially the terms 'scum' & 'Zulu' that are used....

iainwarren wrote:
Then go and live in a small town instead of one of the most multicultural cities in the world! Personally I'm proud to live in a country AND city that attracts people from all over the world
We take it that you don't live amongst the scum infested upon this country then. Farrage is right. You don't hear a lot of English speaking people on public transport, come to thinking about it, you don't see a lot of English people at all these days, they have all migrated out of London and the suburbs.....If they can.

6:31pm Mon 3 Mar 14
kevint1972 says...

He should try getting on a bus in Croydon, for the full Stanley Baker in Zulu experience.

....do you think they are acceptable? I don't use the 'report' button because in the past racist comments were never removed.

I'm happy to retract that editorial staff condone such comments if you start to police these sections. I'm quite staggered that they are not monitored.

As a suggestion look through previous headlines especially if the people pictured are overweight, on benefits, asylum seekers or black. I guarantee that the actual story is ignored & the serial trolls that plague your paper start attacking.

In the past some of the comments for a community based paper are disgusting and before you defend your paper perhaps you can research this?

I can only base my claims on what I see & when reported in the past still remain despite even emailing your editor.

As for your comment ...This is a completely untrue and outrageous accusation' perhaps I can refer you to when your editor did the same attacking firefighters working conditions in a completely unrelated story on London fire stations being closed. You can follow the links on the comments section from the headline this week of 'Boris has blood on his hands'. It's not nice when it happens the other way round and your editor refused to retract the accusations even when the chair of the fire authority contacted him.

Unless you start to monitor posts then I can only assume that they are condoned & make no apologies.
[quote][p][bold]Simon Bull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Hatersgonnahate[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dr. Nick[/bold] wrote: Hatersgonnahate you star - thank you for stating so eloquently how the majority in this country feel. I note that the racists on here now have nothing to say - well done.[/p][/quote]Thank you Dr Nick, it's disgusting beyond belief the amount of openly racist comments on here & obviously supported by the editorial staff. The constant & bigoted comments on here often by serial trolls & how frenzied they become waiting to return to pile up there negative votes to the likes of you & me. A real shame on society especially when it become entrenched and passed own to their children. It never ceases to amaze me the myths they believe about immigration & welfare benefits with immigrants 60% less likely to claim than white uk born. God forbid if your picture is in the NS and you happen to be overweight, black, disabled or on welfare! The trolls on here are like a pack if vicious wild animals waiting to pounce! I guarantee within the hour I'll have a pile of negative votes & yet they fail to realise there falling straight into my trap. But stand up to the we must because they do lack the intelligence to even sit on a toilet the right way found.[/p][/quote]Hello Hatersgonnahate . Thanks very much for your comments on here. You've made a number of interesting and valid points. I do, however, need to take issue on one thing you said - namely: "... openly racist comments on here & obviously supported by the editorial staff." This is a completely untrue and outrageous accusation. We do not in any way condone or support racist behaviour. You need to bear in mind we DO NOT moderate comments on these threads at all either before they are published or afterwards. We only intervene when somebody uses the very clearly marked 'report this post' button to flag up inappropriate content. In this case nobody has done that, which is why certain comments remain on here. Ignorant idiots who spout racist drivel are most definitely not welcome on this site.[/p][/quote]I disagree with most of what you state. What does the NS feel with the following two comments especially the terms 'scum' & 'Zulu' that are used.... iainwarren wrote: Then go and live in a small town instead of one of the most multicultural cities in the world! Personally I'm proud to live in a country AND city that attracts people from all over the world We take it that you don't live amongst the scum infested upon this country then. Farrage is right. You don't hear a lot of English speaking people on public transport, come to thinking about it, you don't see a lot of English people at all these days, they have all migrated out of London and the suburbs.....If they can. 6:31pm Mon 3 Mar 14 kevint1972 says... He should try getting on a bus in Croydon, for the full Stanley Baker in Zulu experience. ....do you think they are acceptable? I don't use the 'report' button because in the past racist comments were never removed. I'm happy to retract that editorial staff condone such comments if you start to police these sections. I'm quite staggered that they are not monitored. As a suggestion look through previous headlines especially if the people pictured are overweight, on benefits, asylum seekers or black. I guarantee that the actual story is ignored & the serial trolls that plague your paper start attacking. In the past some of the comments for a community based paper are disgusting and before you defend your paper perhaps you can research this? I can only base my claims on what I see & when reported in the past still remain despite even emailing your editor. As for your comment ...This is a completely untrue and outrageous accusation' perhaps I can refer you to when your editor did the same attacking firefighters working conditions in a completely unrelated story on London fire stations being closed. You can follow the links on the comments section from the headline this week of 'Boris has blood on his hands'. It's not nice when it happens the other way round and your editor refused to retract the accusations even when the chair of the fire authority contacted him. Unless you start to monitor posts then I can only assume that they are condoned & make no apologies. Hatersgonnahate
  • Score: -9

5:50pm Thu 6 Mar 14

goldenbroomboy says...

FTR I am quite happy for PUKIP & British Nazi Party types to be allowed to post on here because it shows up their crude ideologies for the kak that they actually are.

Also it means that any casual reader of the site will take note that we are not all racists & bigots & contrary to attempts by PUKIP & British Nazi Party to swamp the voluntary media with their simplistic postings they are not as popular as they like to think they are.
FTR I am quite happy for PUKIP & British Nazi Party types to be allowed to post on here because it shows up their crude ideologies for the kak that they actually are. Also it means that any casual reader of the site will take note that we are not all racists & bigots & contrary to attempts by PUKIP & British Nazi Party to swamp the voluntary media with their simplistic postings they are not as popular as they like to think they are. goldenbroomboy
  • Score: -11

6:23pm Thu 6 Mar 14

Gypo.Joe says...

goldenbroomboy wrote:
FTR I am quite happy for PUKIP & British Nazi Party types to be allowed to post on here because it shows up their crude ideologies for the kak that they actually are.

Also it means that any casual reader of the site will take note that we are not all racists & bigots & contrary to attempts by PUKIP & British Nazi Party to swamp the voluntary media with their simplistic postings they are not as popular as they like to think they are.
I'm with you GBB. I know the NS has to moderate comments when they are reported but from my own personal view I'd let them post their racist BS so we can all see exactly what they ( BNP etc ) stand for.
I have to say it's great to see some others standing up to them at last and exposing them all for the morons they are and they do NOT represent the majority of us.
[quote][p][bold]goldenbroomboy[/bold] wrote: FTR I am quite happy for PUKIP & British Nazi Party types to be allowed to post on here because it shows up their crude ideologies for the kak that they actually are. Also it means that any casual reader of the site will take note that we are not all racists & bigots & contrary to attempts by PUKIP & British Nazi Party to swamp the voluntary media with their simplistic postings they are not as popular as they like to think they are.[/p][/quote]I'm with you GBB. I know the NS has to moderate comments when they are reported but from my own personal view I'd let them post their racist BS so we can all see exactly what they ( BNP etc ) stand for. I have to say it's great to see some others standing up to them at last and exposing them all for the morons they are and they do NOT represent the majority of us. Gypo.Joe
  • Score: -16

7:57pm Thu 6 Mar 14

Simon Bull says...

Hatersgonnahate, while I still support some of your earlier posts on this thread, I now think you're talking nonsense.

The two comments you highlighted are not acceptable but I can only repeat again that nobody has flagged them up using our well-established reporting procedure.

As for racist comments 'never' being removed, that's absolute tosh. I have removed plenty and will continue to do so when they are brought to my attention.

I'm not aware of any complaints you have made in the past. If you have and they have not been actioned to your personal satisfaction it does not follow that we condone racist or otherwise inappropriate behaviour. It just means we took a different view to you at that time. No need for wild conclusions.

As for other stories, the same thing applies. If you see comments you don't like, report them and I'll take a look. I can't guarantee that I'll always agree with you about something being offensive or not, but this is the only way to lodge your complaints and put forward comments for possible removal. If there are any not removed it does not follow that I or NS endorse the comment in any way.

As for the firefighters comment piece from last year, the editor is perfectly entitled to put forth his opinions and you're perfectly entitled to disagree. He was making no 'accusations', merely saying firefighters should not be forever exempt from changes or cutbacks. If that's his view then I don't see he has anything to retract but here isn't the place to drag this one up.

There are very good reasons why our comment moderation policy is in place and there is absolutely no reason to alter it at this time. If you want to jump to the barking mad conclusion that a lack of 24/7 monitoring is an indication of us condoning all the comments posted on here then that's up to you, so be it, no matter. No need to apologise, just know you're completely wrong.
Hatersgonnahate, while I still support some of your earlier posts on this thread, I now think you're talking nonsense. The two comments you highlighted are not acceptable but I can only repeat again that nobody has flagged them up using our well-established reporting procedure. As for racist comments 'never' being removed, that's absolute tosh. I have removed plenty and will continue to do so when they are brought to my attention. I'm not aware of any complaints you have made in the past. If you have and they have not been actioned to your personal satisfaction it does not follow that we condone racist or otherwise inappropriate behaviour. It just means we took a different view to you at that time. No need for wild conclusions. As for other stories, the same thing applies. If you see comments you don't like, report them and I'll take a look. I can't guarantee that I'll always agree with you about something being offensive or not, but this is the only way to lodge your complaints and put forward comments for possible removal. If there are any not removed it does not follow that I or NS endorse the comment in any way. As for the firefighters comment piece from last year, the editor is perfectly entitled to put forth his opinions and you're perfectly entitled to disagree. He was making no 'accusations', merely saying firefighters should not be forever exempt from changes or cutbacks. If that's his view then I don't see he has anything to retract but here isn't the place to drag this one up. There are very good reasons why our comment moderation policy is in place and there is absolutely no reason to alter it at this time. If you want to jump to the barking mad conclusion that a lack of 24/7 monitoring is an indication of us condoning all the comments posted on here then that's up to you, so be it, no matter. No need to apologise, just know you're completely wrong. Simon Bull
  • Score: 18

8:10pm Thu 6 Mar 14

toomush2drink says...

I think the main reason feeling run so high on this subject is because of how certain immigrants want to turn britain into the place they have come from.

I have no issue if someone wants to come here for a better way of life etc but at least make an effort to intergrate and accept our ways. Im sick of seeing people offended by some many things like our flag for example.

If i burn a flag i can cause offence or be arrested for some racist crime but it doesnt happen much the other way round.

Islam is becoming a bit of concern with its constant mission to erode our way of life and get islamic thoughts and views as main stream thinking.

http://www.thesunday
times.co.uk/sto/news
/uk_news/Education/a
rticle1382105.ece?CM
P=OTH-gnws-standard-
2014_03_01

That exposed plot really shows what we are up against regardless of where you are from.

Im not religious whatsoever so i personally find it offensive that others wish me to adopt their religious way of life whether i like it or not.
I think the main reason feeling run so high on this subject is because of how certain immigrants want to turn britain into the place they have come from. I have no issue if someone wants to come here for a better way of life etc but at least make an effort to intergrate and accept our ways. Im sick of seeing people offended by some many things like our flag for example. If i burn a flag i can cause offence or be arrested for some racist crime but it doesnt happen much the other way round. Islam is becoming a bit of concern with its constant mission to erode our way of life and get islamic thoughts and views as main stream thinking. http://www.thesunday times.co.uk/sto/news /uk_news/Education/a rticle1382105.ece?CM P=OTH-gnws-standard- 2014_03_01 That exposed plot really shows what we are up against regardless of where you are from. Im not religious whatsoever so i personally find it offensive that others wish me to adopt their religious way of life whether i like it or not. toomush2drink
  • Score: 33

9:59pm Thu 6 Mar 14

Dr. Nick says...

I have to say I partly agree with Simon Bull. Though the NS could do better.

In the past I have reported things and they have been taken down. Point in case; a post which suggested "shooting cyclists at read lights" was removed after I pointed out the legality of such a comment and the possible impact on the NS had they kept it up. There are a few other more serious cases which I will not mention as I do not want to give the idiot trolls fodder.

My point being, that I agree that we -should- utilise the facility given to us to report offensive posts more and more frequently, though this would not only create more work for the already busy NS staff/editors, but would also mean the curbing of free speech (something which I feel is important for us to keep). Perhaps if we were all to look back on the above comments and report what we find offensive this would partly solve the problem. However, as both Goldenbroom boy and Gypo.Joe have suggested, this would mean that we then don't have anything to balance our majority view against - swings and roundabouts I fear.

I do however feel that the NS does have a public duty to monitor the comments section of this forum better and this is a failing on their part (1.), especially where it comes to the +/- votes which always appear rigged by a few individuals (you know who you are). Perhaps the system should implicate the 1 IP Address = 1 Vote system other forums utilise.

I do still hold that Hatersgonnahate has a lot of very valid points.


(1.) In the past I was a moderator of an open forum and know all too well the implications of such lacklustre monitoring/moderatin
g - with this forum being visible to anyone of any age, with no age check or restrictions in place, there is a huge moral and legal minefield to be traversed. The NS may want to address this issue before they become a headline in their own paper by mistake.
I have to say I partly agree with Simon Bull. Though the NS could do better. In the past I have reported things and they have been taken down. Point in case; a post which suggested "shooting cyclists at read lights" was removed after I pointed out the legality of such a comment and the possible impact on the NS had they kept it up. There are a few other more serious cases which I will not mention as I do not want to give the idiot trolls fodder. My point being, that I agree that we -should- utilise the facility given to us to report offensive posts more and more frequently, though this would not only create more work for the already busy NS staff/editors, but would also mean the curbing of free speech (something which I feel is important for us to keep). Perhaps if we were all to look back on the above comments and report what we find offensive this would partly solve the problem. However, as both Goldenbroom boy and Gypo.Joe have suggested, this would mean that we then don't have anything to balance our majority view against - swings and roundabouts I fear. I do however feel that the NS does have a public duty to monitor the comments section of this forum better and this is a failing on their part (1.), especially where it comes to the +/- votes which always appear rigged by a few individuals (you know who you are). Perhaps the system should implicate the 1 IP Address = 1 Vote system other forums utilise. I do still hold that Hatersgonnahate has a lot of very valid points. (1.) In the past I was a moderator of an open forum and know all too well the implications of such lacklustre monitoring/moderatin g - with this forum being visible to anyone of any age, with no age check or restrictions in place, there is a huge moral and legal minefield to be traversed. The NS may want to address this issue before they become a headline in their own paper by mistake. Dr. Nick
  • Score: -12

10:25pm Thu 6 Mar 14

Dr. Nick says...

toomush2drink wrote:
I think the main reason feeling run so high on this subject is because of how certain immigrants want to turn britain into the place they have come from.

I have no issue if someone wants to come here for a better way of life etc but at least make an effort to intergrate and accept our ways. Im sick of seeing people offended by some many things like our flag for example.

If i burn a flag i can cause offence or be arrested for some racist crime but it doesnt happen much the other way round.

Islam is becoming a bit of concern with its constant mission to erode our way of life and get islamic thoughts and views as main stream thinking.

http://www.thesunday

times.co.uk/sto/news

/uk_news/Education/a

rticle1382105.ece?CM

P=OTH-gnws-standard-

2014_03_01

That exposed plot really shows what we are up against regardless of where you are from.

Im not religious whatsoever so i personally find it offensive that others wish me to adopt their religious way of life whether i like it or not.
I may agree with you to a point - that there are a few individuals who may not feel they want to integrate when they live here, but you do make a rather sweeping generalisation. Please understand that not all immigrants want to do this; therein lies the myth created by the popular press and then spouted back out by the ill informed. As I said before, hold out the hand of friendship andy you will have a pleasant surprise.

We could equally talk amount the 1000s of British expats who move to Spain/France/Germany etc and never bother to learn the local language, customs or culture, they form their own little enclaves so that they can still get their fish 'n' chips / pint of warm beer / Daily Mail etc without having to integrate into the local customs or culture - another stereo-type, but one that appears to be acceptable.

Once you understand more about a culture you can also appreciate how offensive certain behaviour can be. Your point about the flag is an interesting one; in most other cultures than ours, the burning of a flag is one of the greatest expressions of defiance and can be seen as an insult, much like the showing of the bottom of ones shoe or throwing a shoe. In English culture we have a great one of "never bringing someones mother into an argument" - because if you do then you have to face the consequences. What I am saying is it is basically ones lack of knowledge and understanding of the culture which can seem offensive. So let them burn the flag, it means nothing to us, but if they start talking bad about your mother - then is the time to complain. Does that make sense?

One last thing, please don't believe all you read in the press, take it all with a pinch of salt and apply your common sense - to blindly read something then post a link to it believing it as 'fact' is really not a good idea. There are thousands of websites and newspapers I could link to which 'prove' that both the Scientologists and Flat Earth Society are right, but I don't post links to them as I apply common sense when reading them. Things printed in the papers are rarely 'fact' and always have a spin/bias built in; it is our duty to unravel the actual truth through knowledge and education.

This reply in no way is meant to denigrate your post, it is mealy in just response.
[quote][p][bold]toomush2drink[/bold] wrote: I think the main reason feeling run so high on this subject is because of how certain immigrants want to turn britain into the place they have come from. I have no issue if someone wants to come here for a better way of life etc but at least make an effort to intergrate and accept our ways. Im sick of seeing people offended by some many things like our flag for example. If i burn a flag i can cause offence or be arrested for some racist crime but it doesnt happen much the other way round. Islam is becoming a bit of concern with its constant mission to erode our way of life and get islamic thoughts and views as main stream thinking. http://www.thesunday times.co.uk/sto/news /uk_news/Education/a rticle1382105.ece?CM P=OTH-gnws-standard- 2014_03_01 That exposed plot really shows what we are up against regardless of where you are from. Im not religious whatsoever so i personally find it offensive that others wish me to adopt their religious way of life whether i like it or not.[/p][/quote]I may agree with you to a point - that there are a few individuals who may not feel they want to integrate when they live here, but you do make a rather sweeping generalisation. Please understand that not all immigrants want to do this; therein lies the myth created by the popular press and then spouted back out by the ill informed. As I said before, hold out the hand of friendship andy you will have a pleasant surprise. We could equally talk amount the 1000s of British expats who move to Spain/France/Germany etc and never bother to learn the local language, customs or culture, they form their own little enclaves so that they can still get their fish 'n' chips / pint of warm beer / Daily Mail etc without having to integrate into the local customs or culture - another stereo-type, but one that appears to be acceptable. Once you understand more about a culture you can also appreciate how offensive certain behaviour can be. Your point about the flag is an interesting one; in most other cultures than ours, the burning of a flag is one of the greatest expressions of defiance and can be seen as an insult, much like the showing of the bottom of ones shoe or throwing a shoe. In English culture we have a great one of "never bringing someones mother into an argument" - because if you do then you have to face the consequences. What I am saying is it is basically ones lack of knowledge and understanding of the culture which can seem offensive. So let them burn the flag, it means nothing to us, but if they start talking bad about your mother - then is the time to complain. Does that make sense? One last thing, please don't believe all you read in the press, take it all with a pinch of salt and apply your common sense - to blindly read something then post a link to it believing it as 'fact' is really not a good idea. There are thousands of websites and newspapers I could link to which 'prove' that both the Scientologists and Flat Earth Society are right, but I don't post links to them as I apply common sense when reading them. Things printed in the papers are rarely 'fact' and always have a spin/bias built in; it is our duty to unravel the actual truth through knowledge and education. This reply in no way is meant to denigrate your post, it is mealy in just response. Dr. Nick
  • Score: -19

10:34pm Thu 6 Mar 14

kevint1972 says...

JoeBlobbs wrote:
****STOP THE PRESS******

NewsShopper comments section is taken from the white extremists by rational thinking and intelligent people. After a long battle it seems some reasonable views have broken through and are far stronger than anything the haters have to offer.

********************

***********
In other words, one or two left wing obsessives using multiple identities, and with an awful lot of time on their hands, have spammed up the thread to a point where nobody else bothers posting in it. Or do you think no one is wise to that?
[quote][p][bold]JoeBlobbs[/bold] wrote: ****STOP THE PRESS****** NewsShopper comments section is taken from the white extremists by rational thinking and intelligent people. After a long battle it seems some reasonable views have broken through and are far stronger than anything the haters have to offer. ******************** ***********[/p][/quote]In other words, one or two left wing obsessives using multiple identities, and with an awful lot of time on their hands, have spammed up the thread to a point where nobody else bothers posting in it. Or do you think no one is wise to that? kevint1972
  • Score: 27

10:47pm Thu 6 Mar 14

Dr. Nick says...

kevint1972 wrote:
JoeBlobbs wrote:
****STOP THE PRESS******

NewsShopper comments section is taken from the white extremists by rational thinking and intelligent people. After a long battle it seems some reasonable views have broken through and are far stronger than anything the haters have to offer.

********************


***********
In other words, one or two left wing obsessives using multiple identities, and with an awful lot of time on their hands, have spammed up the thread to a point where nobody else bothers posting in it. Or do you think no one is wise to that?
Be careful of making ill-informed sweeping judgements. If I am one of those you are suggesting (which I think that dig was) - you may be surprised to find that I am far from 'left wing', as you put it - you know nothing about my politics or anything else about me so please kindly refrain from making such inaccurate comments.
[quote][p][bold]kevint1972[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]JoeBlobbs[/bold] wrote: ****STOP THE PRESS****** NewsShopper comments section is taken from the white extremists by rational thinking and intelligent people. After a long battle it seems some reasonable views have broken through and are far stronger than anything the haters have to offer. ******************** ***********[/p][/quote]In other words, one or two left wing obsessives using multiple identities, and with an awful lot of time on their hands, have spammed up the thread to a point where nobody else bothers posting in it. Or do you think no one is wise to that?[/p][/quote]Be careful of making ill-informed sweeping judgements. If I am one of those you are suggesting (which I think that dig was) - you may be surprised to find that I am far from 'left wing', as you put it - you know nothing about my politics or anything else about me so please kindly refrain from making such inaccurate comments. Dr. Nick
  • Score: -18

10:51pm Thu 6 Mar 14

kevint1972 says...

Incidentally - and this will make you laugh - "Hatersgonnahate" copied and pasted his first post from this article -

http://www.theguardi
an.com/commentisfree
/2011/apr/16/david-c
ameron-immigration-e
conomy

The writer is Mehdi Hasan, a left wing muslim journalist who can be seen in this YouTube video describing non-muslims as animals -

https://www.youtube.
com/watch?v=h4hpfqFt
-0Q

This is the same poster who gets so high and mighty about racism. Such is the quality of the "anti-racist" left.
Incidentally - and this will make you laugh - "Hatersgonnahate" copied and pasted his first post from this article - http://www.theguardi an.com/commentisfree /2011/apr/16/david-c ameron-immigration-e conomy The writer is Mehdi Hasan, a left wing muslim journalist who can be seen in this YouTube video describing non-muslims as animals - https://www.youtube. com/watch?v=h4hpfqFt -0Q This is the same poster who gets so high and mighty about racism. Such is the quality of the "anti-racist" left. kevint1972
  • Score: 29

10:53pm Thu 6 Mar 14

kevint1972 says...

Dr. Nick wrote:
kevint1972 wrote:
JoeBlobbs wrote:
****STOP THE PRESS******

NewsShopper comments section is taken from the white extremists by rational thinking and intelligent people. After a long battle it seems some reasonable views have broken through and are far stronger than anything the haters have to offer.

********************



***********
In other words, one or two left wing obsessives using multiple identities, and with an awful lot of time on their hands, have spammed up the thread to a point where nobody else bothers posting in it. Or do you think no one is wise to that?
Be careful of making ill-informed sweeping judgements. If I am one of those you are suggesting (which I think that dig was) - you may be surprised to find that I am far from 'left wing', as you put it - you know nothing about my politics or anything else about me so please kindly refrain from making such inaccurate comments.
Yesh the two thumbs ups you've received in a matter of seconds, on a web page few people will be reading at this hour, really support your cause there.
[quote][p][bold]Dr. Nick[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]kevint1972[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]JoeBlobbs[/bold] wrote: ****STOP THE PRESS****** NewsShopper comments section is taken from the white extremists by rational thinking and intelligent people. After a long battle it seems some reasonable views have broken through and are far stronger than anything the haters have to offer. ******************** ***********[/p][/quote]In other words, one or two left wing obsessives using multiple identities, and with an awful lot of time on their hands, have spammed up the thread to a point where nobody else bothers posting in it. Or do you think no one is wise to that?[/p][/quote]Be careful of making ill-informed sweeping judgements. If I am one of those you are suggesting (which I think that dig was) - you may be surprised to find that I am far from 'left wing', as you put it - you know nothing about my politics or anything else about me so please kindly refrain from making such inaccurate comments.[/p][/quote]Yesh the two thumbs ups you've received in a matter of seconds, on a web page few people will be reading at this hour, really support your cause there. kevint1972
  • Score: 9

10:59pm Thu 6 Mar 14

Dr. Nick says...

kevint1972 wrote:
Dr. Nick wrote:
kevint1972 wrote:
JoeBlobbs wrote:
****STOP THE PRESS******

NewsShopper comments section is taken from the white extremists by rational thinking and intelligent people. After a long battle it seems some reasonable views have broken through and are far stronger than anything the haters have to offer.

********************




***********
In other words, one or two left wing obsessives using multiple identities, and with an awful lot of time on their hands, have spammed up the thread to a point where nobody else bothers posting in it. Or do you think no one is wise to that?
Be careful of making ill-informed sweeping judgements. If I am one of those you are suggesting (which I think that dig was) - you may be surprised to find that I am far from 'left wing', as you put it - you know nothing about my politics or anything else about me so please kindly refrain from making such inaccurate comments.
Yesh the two thumbs ups you've received in a matter of seconds, on a web page few people will be reading at this hour, really support your cause there.
Really? You are reading it, I am reading it, do you think we are alone? Really? It's not even late yet... besides some of us are still working through the night and are entailed to a break ... again with the generalisations about others and now their behaviour. You truly do know it all don't you. lol
[quote][p][bold]kevint1972[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dr. Nick[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]kevint1972[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]JoeBlobbs[/bold] wrote: ****STOP THE PRESS****** NewsShopper comments section is taken from the white extremists by rational thinking and intelligent people. After a long battle it seems some reasonable views have broken through and are far stronger than anything the haters have to offer. ******************** ***********[/p][/quote]In other words, one or two left wing obsessives using multiple identities, and with an awful lot of time on their hands, have spammed up the thread to a point where nobody else bothers posting in it. Or do you think no one is wise to that?[/p][/quote]Be careful of making ill-informed sweeping judgements. If I am one of those you are suggesting (which I think that dig was) - you may be surprised to find that I am far from 'left wing', as you put it - you know nothing about my politics or anything else about me so please kindly refrain from making such inaccurate comments.[/p][/quote]Yesh the two thumbs ups you've received in a matter of seconds, on a web page few people will be reading at this hour, really support your cause there.[/p][/quote]Really? You are reading it, I am reading it, do you think we are alone? Really? It's not even late yet... besides some of us are still working through the night and are entailed to a break ... again with the generalisations about others and now their behaviour. You truly do know it all don't you. lol Dr. Nick
  • Score: -8

11:03pm Thu 6 Mar 14

Dr. Nick says...

kevint1972 wrote:
Incidentally - and this will make you laugh - "Hatersgonnahat
e" copied and pasted his first post from this article -

http://www.theguardi

an.com/commentisfree

/2011/apr/16/david-c

ameron-immigration-e

conomy

The writer is Mehdi Hasan, a left wing muslim journalist who can be seen in this YouTube video describing non-muslims as animals -

https://www.youtube.

com/watch?v=h4hpfqFt

-0Q

This is the same poster who gets so high and mighty about racism. Such is the quality of the "anti-racist" left.
Yawn. Ok, let's cut and paste other peoples posts to make ourselves feel better shall we. Yawn...

Give. A. Battle. Fighting. Up. Losing.
[quote][p][bold]kevint1972[/bold] wrote: Incidentally - and this will make you laugh - "Hatersgonnahat e" copied and pasted his first post from this article - http://www.theguardi an.com/commentisfree /2011/apr/16/david-c ameron-immigration-e conomy The writer is Mehdi Hasan, a left wing muslim journalist who can be seen in this YouTube video describing non-muslims as animals - https://www.youtube. com/watch?v=h4hpfqFt -0Q This is the same poster who gets so high and mighty about racism. Such is the quality of the "anti-racist" left.[/p][/quote]Yawn. Ok, let's cut and paste other peoples posts to make ourselves feel better shall we. Yawn... Give. A. Battle. Fighting. Up. Losing. Dr. Nick
  • Score: -11

11:15pm Thu 6 Mar 14

Dr. Nick says...

kevint1972 wrote:
Incidentally - and this will make you laugh - "Hatersgonnahat
e" copied and pasted his first post from this article -

http://www.theguardi

an.com/commentisfree

/2011/apr/16/david-c

ameron-immigration-e

conomy

The writer is Mehdi Hasan, a left wing muslim journalist who can be seen in this YouTube video describing non-muslims as animals -

https://www.youtube.

com/watch?v=h4hpfqFt

-0Q

This is the same poster who gets so high and mighty about racism. Such is the quality of the "anti-racist" left.
kevint1972 wrote:
kevint1972 wrote:
Yesh the two thumbs ups you've received in a matter of seconds, on a web page few people will be reading at this hour, really support your cause there.


I see your supporters are also up, yay for the multiple 'thumbs up' - or shall I make the same sweeping judgement you do. Pathetic.
[quote][p][bold]kevint1972[/bold] wrote: Incidentally - and this will make you laugh - "Hatersgonnahat e" copied and pasted his first post from this article - http://www.theguardi an.com/commentisfree /2011/apr/16/david-c ameron-immigration-e conomy The writer is Mehdi Hasan, a left wing muslim journalist who can be seen in this YouTube video describing non-muslims as animals - https://www.youtube. com/watch?v=h4hpfqFt -0Q This is the same poster who gets so high and mighty about racism. Such is the quality of the "anti-racist" left.[/p][/quote]kevint1972 wrote: [quote][p][bold]kevint1972[/bold] wrote: Yesh the two thumbs ups you've received in a matter of seconds, on a web page few people will be reading at this hour, really support your cause there.[/p][/quote] I see your supporters are also up, yay for the multiple 'thumbs up' - or shall I make the same sweeping judgement you do. Pathetic. Dr. Nick
  • Score: -12

11:31pm Thu 6 Mar 14

JoeBlobbs says...

kevint1972 wrote:
JoeBlobbs wrote:
****STOP THE PRESS******

NewsShopper comments section is taken from the white extremists by rational thinking and intelligent people. After a long battle it seems some reasonable views have broken through and are far stronger than anything the haters have to offer.

********************


***********
In other words, one or two left wing obsessives using multiple identities, and with an awful lot of time on their hands, have spammed up the thread to a point where nobody else bothers posting in it. Or do you think no one is wise to that?
Nothing left about my views kev and only one identity so wrong on both counts me old mucker.

As for having time on my hands, well it comes with spending a couple of decades working hard and now enjoying the fruits of many years labour (and not the political party either before you get a bit confused).
[quote][p][bold]kevint1972[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]JoeBlobbs[/bold] wrote: ****STOP THE PRESS****** NewsShopper comments section is taken from the white extremists by rational thinking and intelligent people. After a long battle it seems some reasonable views have broken through and are far stronger than anything the haters have to offer. ******************** ***********[/p][/quote]In other words, one or two left wing obsessives using multiple identities, and with an awful lot of time on their hands, have spammed up the thread to a point where nobody else bothers posting in it. Or do you think no one is wise to that?[/p][/quote]Nothing left about my views kev and only one identity so wrong on both counts me old mucker. As for having time on my hands, well it comes with spending a couple of decades working hard and now enjoying the fruits of many years labour (and not the political party either before you get a bit confused). JoeBlobbs
  • Score: -28

11:51pm Thu 6 Mar 14

Hatersgonnahate says...

Dr. Nick wrote:
kevint1972 wrote:
Incidentally - and this will make you laugh - "Hatersgonnahat

e" copied and pasted his first post from this article -

http://www.theguardi


an.com/commentisfree


/2011/apr/16/david-c


ameron-immigration-e


conomy

The writer is Mehdi Hasan, a left wing muslim journalist who can be seen in this YouTube video describing non-muslims as animals -

https://www.youtube.


com/watch?v=h4hpfqFt


-0Q

This is the same poster who gets so high and mighty about racism. Such is the quality of the "anti-racist" left.
kevint1972 wrote:
kevint1972 wrote:
Yesh the two thumbs ups you've received in a matter of seconds, on a web page few people will be reading at this hour, really support your cause there.


I see your supporters are also up, yay for the multiple 'thumbs up' - or shall I make the same sweeping judgement you do. Pathetic.
Incidentally, and this WILL make you laugh even more, kevin blah blah blah posted a couple of links that don't work but used the typical right wing trick of posting an excerpt of a speech but predictably lacked the intellect to understand its context or examined the full speech and how the Quran uses specific terminology just like any religion.
It's not as if he attacked a black lad like a pack of frenzied animals at a bus stop is it....
Perhaps this will help, nice try stupid.

Hasan, a Shia Muslim, has written articles about Islam and Muslims for the New Statesman and newspapers. He has written in favour of secularism, writing that a "religiously neutral model of governance" is the only way for a country like India to "prosper".
In April 2009, Hasan argued against the concept and idea of an Islamic state. He argues that "Today it is difficult, if not impossible, to identify a Muslim-majority nation that could plausibly be identified as a modern, viable and legitimate “Islamic state” and that "contrary to popular Muslim opinion, there is not a shred of theological, historical or empirical evidence to support the existence of such an entity."
Hasan has been criticised for his remarks on religion. During a sermon delivered in 2009, quoting the Quran, Hasan said to an audience: "The kuffar, the disbelievers, the atheists who remain deaf and stubborn to the teachings of Islam, the rational message of the Koran; they are described in the Koran as “a people of no intelligence”, Allah describes them as not of no morality, not as people of no belief – people of “no intelligence” – because they’re incapable of the intellectual effort it requires to shake off those blind prejudices, to shake off those easy assumptions about this world, about the existence of God. In this respect, the Koran describes the atheists as “cattle”, as cattle of those who grow the crops and do not stop and wonder about this world."
In response to criticism over the use of the term "cattle" to describe non-believers, Hasan wrote in his New Statesman blog: "The Quranic phrase 'people of no intelligence' simply and narrowly refers to the fact that Muslims regard their views on God as the only intellectually tenable position, just as atheists (like Richard Dawkins or Sam Harris) regard believers as fundamentally irrational and, even, mentally deficient." The Islamophobia Watch website argued Hasan was the victim of a "witch-hunt", writing that these allegations of extremism were "aimed at getting him dismissed from his job". Hasan returned to this issue in August 2012 following criticism from the conservative polemicist Peter Hitchens. Hasan wrote: "the entire 45-minute speech is primarily an attack on Muslim extremists who try and justify violence against non-Muslims on an 'ends justify the means' basis", but noted of his 2009 comments that his "phraseology was ill-judged, ill-advised and, even, inappropriate".
In November 2009, Hasan wrote a column denouncing suicide bombing from an Islamic perspective. Hasan argued that "There is, in fact, nothing Islamic about so-called Islamic terrorism… So why are many Muslims so reluctant to condemn such cold-blooded tactics of terror?"
In April 2010, Hasan wrote a piece condemning the controversial Islamic advocacy of the death penalty for apostasy in the New Statesman. He states that "The sharia (or Islamic law), it is claimed, sanctions the death penalty for any adult Muslim who chooses to leave the faith, or apostatise. This is an intellectually, morally and, perhaps above all, theologically unsustainable position."
Hasan wrote an article in The Guardian in September 2011 condemning the Iranian regime for its proposed execution of an "apostate." "The death sentence given to Youcef Nadarkhani in Iran is an affront to universal moral values and a disservice to Muslims."
In April 2012, Hasan wrote an article criticising British Muslims for being obsessed with foreign affairs and the anti-war movement. He criticised British Muslims' apparent apathy towards national issues, "why is it that most British Muslims get so excited and aroused by foreign affairs, yet seem so bored by and uninterested in domestic politics and the economy?"
Following the allegation of antisemitism against Lord Ahmed in March 2013, Hasan referred to antisemitism in some sections of the British Muslim community as "our dirty little secret."
In May 2013, he appeared at an Oxford Union Debate proposing a motion arguing that Islam is a religion of peace. The motion was carried.
In October 2013, on BBC Question Time, Hasan claimed that The Daily Mail was, among other accusations, "Muslim-smearing". The paper responded by claiming that he had applied to them for a column in 2010, praising their editorial standards and some of their positions.
[quote][p][bold]Dr. Nick[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]kevint1972[/bold] wrote: Incidentally - and this will make you laugh - "Hatersgonnahat e" copied and pasted his first post from this article - http://www.theguardi an.com/commentisfree /2011/apr/16/david-c ameron-immigration-e conomy The writer is Mehdi Hasan, a left wing muslim journalist who can be seen in this YouTube video describing non-muslims as animals - https://www.youtube. com/watch?v=h4hpfqFt -0Q This is the same poster who gets so high and mighty about racism. Such is the quality of the "anti-racist" left.[/p][/quote]kevint1972 wrote: [quote][p][bold]kevint1972[/bold] wrote: Yesh the two thumbs ups you've received in a matter of seconds, on a web page few people will be reading at this hour, really support your cause there.[/p][/quote] I see your supporters are also up, yay for the multiple 'thumbs up' - or shall I make the same sweeping judgement you do. Pathetic.[/p][/quote]Incidentally, and this WILL make you laugh even more, kevin blah blah blah posted a couple of links that don't work but used the typical right wing trick of posting an excerpt of a speech but predictably lacked the intellect to understand its context or examined the full speech and how the Quran uses specific terminology just like any religion. It's not as if he attacked a black lad like a pack of frenzied animals at a bus stop is it.... Perhaps this will help, nice try stupid. Hasan, a Shia Muslim,[16][17] has written articles about Islam and Muslims for the New Statesman and newspapers. He has written in favour of secularism, writing that a "religiously neutral model of governance" is the only way for a country like India to "prosper".[18] In April 2009, Hasan argued against the concept and idea of an Islamic state.[19] He argues that "Today it is difficult, if not impossible, to identify a Muslim-majority nation that could plausibly be identified as a modern, viable and legitimate “Islamic state” and that "contrary to popular Muslim opinion, there is not a shred of theological, historical or empirical evidence to support the existence of such an entity." Hasan has been criticised for his remarks on religion.[20] During a sermon delivered in 2009,[21] quoting the Quran, Hasan said to an audience: "The kuffar, the disbelievers, the atheists who remain deaf and stubborn to the teachings of Islam, the rational message of the Koran; they are described in the Koran as “a people of no intelligence”, Allah describes them as not of no morality, not as people of no belief – people of “no intelligence” – because they’re incapable of the intellectual effort it requires to shake off those blind prejudices, to shake off those easy assumptions about this world, about the existence of God. In this respect, the Koran describes the atheists as “cattle”, as cattle of those who grow the crops and do not stop and wonder about this world."[20] In response to criticism over the use of the term "cattle" to describe non-believers, Hasan wrote in his New Statesman blog: "The Quranic phrase 'people of no intelligence' simply and narrowly refers to the fact that Muslims regard their views on God as the only intellectually tenable position, just as atheists (like Richard Dawkins or Sam Harris) regard believers as fundamentally irrational and, even, mentally deficient."[22] The Islamophobia Watch website argued Hasan was the victim of a "witch-hunt", writing that these allegations of extremism were "aimed at getting him dismissed from his job".[23] Hasan returned to this issue in August 2012 following criticism from the conservative polemicist Peter Hitchens.[20] Hasan wrote: "the entire 45-minute speech is primarily an attack on Muslim extremists who try and justify violence against non-Muslims on an 'ends justify the means' basis", but noted of his 2009 comments that his "phraseology was ill-judged, ill-advised and, even, inappropriate".[24] In November 2009, Hasan wrote a column denouncing suicide bombing from an Islamic perspective.[25] Hasan argued that "There is, in fact, nothing Islamic about so-called Islamic terrorism… So why are many Muslims so reluctant to condemn such cold-blooded tactics of terror?" In April 2010, Hasan wrote a piece condemning the controversial Islamic advocacy of the death penalty for apostasy in the New Statesman.[26] He states that "The sharia (or Islamic law), it is claimed, sanctions the death penalty for any adult Muslim who chooses to leave the faith, or apostatise. This is an intellectually, morally and, perhaps above all, theologically unsustainable position." Hasan wrote an article in The Guardian in September 2011 condemning the Iranian regime for its proposed execution of an "apostate."[27] "The death sentence given to Youcef Nadarkhani in Iran is an affront to universal moral values and a disservice to Muslims." In April 2012, Hasan wrote an article criticising British Muslims for being obsessed with foreign affairs and the anti-war movement.[28] He criticised British Muslims' apparent apathy towards national issues, "why is it that most British Muslims get so excited and aroused by foreign affairs, yet seem so bored by and uninterested in domestic politics and the economy?" Following the allegation of antisemitism against Lord Ahmed in March 2013, Hasan referred to antisemitism in some sections of the British Muslim community as "our dirty little secret."[29] In May 2013, he appeared at an Oxford Union Debate proposing a motion arguing that Islam is a religion of peace. The motion was carried.[30] In October 2013, on BBC Question Time, Hasan claimed that The Daily Mail was, among other accusations, "Muslim-smearing". The paper responded by claiming that he had applied to them for a column in 2010, praising their editorial standards and some of their positions.[31] Hatersgonnahate
  • Score: -13

11:53pm Thu 6 Mar 14

Hatersgonnahate says...

kevint1972 wrote:
Incidentally - and this will make you laugh - "Hatersgonnahat
e" copied and pasted his first post from this article -

http://www.theguardi

an.com/commentisfree

/2011/apr/16/david-c

ameron-immigration-e

conomy

The writer is Mehdi Hasan, a left wing muslim journalist who can be seen in this YouTube video describing non-muslims as animals -

https://www.youtube.

com/watch?v=h4hpfqFt

-0Q

This is the same poster who gets so high and mighty about racism. Such is the quality of the "anti-racist" left.
Hasan, a Shia Muslim, has written articles about Islam and Muslims for the New Statesman and newspapers. He has written in favour of secularism, writing that a "religiously neutral model of governance" is the only way for a country like India to "prosper".
In April 2009, Hasan argued against the concept and idea of an Islamic state. He argues that "Today it is difficult, if not impossible, to identify a Muslim-majority nation that could plausibly be identified as a modern, viable and legitimate “Islamic state” and that "contrary to popular Muslim opinion, there is not a shred of theological, historical or empirical evidence to support the existence of such an entity."
Hasan has been criticised for his remarks on religion. During a sermon delivered in 2009, quoting the Quran, Hasan said to an audience: "The kuffar, the disbelievers, the atheists who remain deaf and stubborn to the teachings of Islam, the rational message of the Koran; they are described in the Koran as “a people of no intelligence”, Allah describes them as not of no morality, not as people of no belief – people of “no intelligence” – because they’re incapable of the intellectual effort it requires to shake off those blind prejudices, to shake off those easy assumptions about this world, about the existence of God. In this respect, the Koran describes the atheists as “cattle”, as cattle of those who grow the crops and do not stop and wonder about this world."
In response to criticism over the use of the term "cattle" to describe non-believers, Hasan wrote in his New Statesman blog: "The Quranic phrase 'people of no intelligence' simply and narrowly refers to the fact that Muslims regard their views on God as the only intellectually tenable position, just as atheists (like Richard Dawkins or Sam Harris) regard believers as fundamentally irrational and, even, mentally deficient." The Islamophobia Watch website argued Hasan was the victim of a "witch-hunt", writing that these allegations of extremism were "aimed at getting him dismissed from his job". Hasan returned to this issue in August 2012 following criticism from the conservative polemicist Peter Hitchens. Hasan wrote: "the entire 45-minute speech is primarily an attack on Muslim extremists who try and justify violence against non-Muslims on an 'ends justify the means' basis", but noted of his 2009 comments that his "phraseology was ill-judged, ill-advised and, even, inappropriate".
In November 2009, Hasan wrote a column denouncing suicide bombing from an Islamic perspective. Hasan argued that "There is, in fact, nothing Islamic about so-called Islamic terrorism… So why are many Muslims so reluctant to condemn such cold-blooded tactics of terror?"
In April 2010, Hasan wrote a piece condemning the controversial Islamic advocacy of the death penalty for apostasy in the New Statesman. He states that "The sharia (or Islamic law), it is claimed, sanctions the death penalty for any adult Muslim who chooses to leave the faith, or apostatise. This is an intellectually, morally and, perhaps above all, theologically unsustainable position."
Hasan wrote an article in The Guardian in September 2011 condemning the Iranian regime for its proposed execution of an "apostate." "The death sentence given to Youcef Nadarkhani in Iran is an affront to universal moral values and a disservice to Muslims."
In April 2012, Hasan wrote an article criticising British Muslims for being obsessed with foreign affairs and the anti-war movement. He criticised British Muslims' apparent apathy towards national issues, "why is it that most British Muslims get so excited and aroused by foreign affairs, yet seem so bored by and uninterested in domestic politics and the economy?"
Following the allegation of antisemitism against Lord Ahmed in March 2013, Hasan referred to antisemitism in some sections of the British Muslim community as "our dirty little secret."
In May 2013, he appeared at an Oxford Union Debate proposing a motion arguing that Islam is a religion of peace. The motion was carried.
In October 2013, on BBC Question Time, Hasan claimed that The Daily Mail was, among other accusations, "Muslim-smearing". The paper responded by claiming that he had applied to them for a column in 2010, praising their editorial standards and some of their positions.
[quote][p][bold]kevint1972[/bold] wrote: Incidentally - and this will make you laugh - "Hatersgonnahat e" copied and pasted his first post from this article - http://www.theguardi an.com/commentisfree /2011/apr/16/david-c ameron-immigration-e conomy The writer is Mehdi Hasan, a left wing muslim journalist who can be seen in this YouTube video describing non-muslims as animals - https://www.youtube. com/watch?v=h4hpfqFt -0Q This is the same poster who gets so high and mighty about racism. Such is the quality of the "anti-racist" left.[/p][/quote]Hasan, a Shia Muslim,[16][17] has written articles about Islam and Muslims for the New Statesman and newspapers. He has written in favour of secularism, writing that a "religiously neutral model of governance" is the only way for a country like India to "prosper".[18] In April 2009, Hasan argued against the concept and idea of an Islamic state.[19] He argues that "Today it is difficult, if not impossible, to identify a Muslim-majority nation that could plausibly be identified as a modern, viable and legitimate “Islamic state” and that "contrary to popular Muslim opinion, there is not a shred of theological, historical or empirical evidence to support the existence of such an entity." Hasan has been criticised for his remarks on religion.[20] During a sermon delivered in 2009,[21] quoting the Quran, Hasan said to an audience: "The kuffar, the disbelievers, the atheists who remain deaf and stubborn to the teachings of Islam, the rational message of the Koran; they are described in the Koran as “a people of no intelligence”, Allah describes them as not of no morality, not as people of no belief – people of “no intelligence” – because they’re incapable of the intellectual effort it requires to shake off those blind prejudices, to shake off those easy assumptions about this world, about the existence of God. In this respect, the Koran describes the atheists as “cattle”, as cattle of those who grow the crops and do not stop and wonder about this world."[20] In response to criticism over the use of the term "cattle" to describe non-believers, Hasan wrote in his New Statesman blog: "The Quranic phrase 'people of no intelligence' simply and narrowly refers to the fact that Muslims regard their views on God as the only intellectually tenable position, just as atheists (like Richard Dawkins or Sam Harris) regard believers as fundamentally irrational and, even, mentally deficient."[22] The Islamophobia Watch website argued Hasan was the victim of a "witch-hunt", writing that these allegations of extremism were "aimed at getting him dismissed from his job".[23] Hasan returned to this issue in August 2012 following criticism from the conservative polemicist Peter Hitchens.[20] Hasan wrote: "the entire 45-minute speech is primarily an attack on Muslim extremists who try and justify violence against non-Muslims on an 'ends justify the means' basis", but noted of his 2009 comments that his "phraseology was ill-judged, ill-advised and, even, inappropriate".[24] In November 2009, Hasan wrote a column denouncing suicide bombing from an Islamic perspective.[25] Hasan argued that "There is, in fact, nothing Islamic about so-called Islamic terrorism… So why are many Muslims so reluctant to condemn such cold-blooded tactics of terror?" In April 2010, Hasan wrote a piece condemning the controversial Islamic advocacy of the death penalty for apostasy in the New Statesman.[26] He states that "The sharia (or Islamic law), it is claimed, sanctions the death penalty for any adult Muslim who chooses to leave the faith, or apostatise. This is an intellectually, morally and, perhaps above all, theologically unsustainable position." Hasan wrote an article in The Guardian in September 2011 condemning the Iranian regime for its proposed execution of an "apostate."[27] "The death sentence given to Youcef Nadarkhani in Iran is an affront to universal moral values and a disservice to Muslims." In April 2012, Hasan wrote an article criticising British Muslims for being obsessed with foreign affairs and the anti-war movement.[28] He criticised British Muslims' apparent apathy towards national issues, "why is it that most British Muslims get so excited and aroused by foreign affairs, yet seem so bored by and uninterested in domestic politics and the economy?" Following the allegation of antisemitism against Lord Ahmed in March 2013, Hasan referred to antisemitism in some sections of the British Muslim community as "our dirty little secret."[29] In May 2013, he appeared at an Oxford Union Debate proposing a motion arguing that Islam is a religion of peace. The motion was carried.[30] In October 2013, on BBC Question Time, Hasan claimed that The Daily Mail was, among other accusations, "Muslim-smearing". The paper responded by claiming that he had applied to them for a column in 2010, praising their editorial standards and some of their positions.[31] Hatersgonnahate
  • Score: -14

12:09am Fri 7 Mar 14

Hatersgonnahate says...

Simon Bull wrote:
Hatersgonnahate, while I still support some of your earlier posts on this thread, I now think you're talking nonsense.

The two comments you highlighted are not acceptable but I can only repeat again that nobody has flagged them up using our well-established reporting procedure.

As for racist comments 'never' being removed, that's absolute tosh. I have removed plenty and will continue to do so when they are brought to my attention.

I'm not aware of any complaints you have made in the past. If you have and they have not been actioned to your personal satisfaction it does not follow that we condone racist or otherwise inappropriate behaviour. It just means we took a different view to you at that time. No need for wild conclusions.

As for other stories, the same thing applies. If you see comments you don't like, report them and I'll take a look. I can't guarantee that I'll always agree with you about something being offensive or not, but this is the only way to lodge your complaints and put forward comments for possible removal. If there are any not removed it does not follow that I or NS endorse the comment in any way.

As for the firefighters comment piece from last year, the editor is perfectly entitled to put forth his opinions and you're perfectly entitled to disagree. He was making no 'accusations', merely saying firefighters should not be forever exempt from changes or cutbacks. If that's his view then I don't see he has anything to retract but here isn't the place to drag this one up.

There are very good reasons why our comment moderation policy is in place and there is absolutely no reason to alter it at this time. If you want to jump to the barking mad conclusion that a lack of 24/7 monitoring is an indication of us condoning all the comments posted on here then that's up to you, so be it, no matter. No need to apologise, just know you're completely wrong.
Please make your mind up, either I'm talking nonsense or you support my posts.

You rightly state that the posts I flagged are not acceptable, they're very tame to the other extreme right wing ideology that haunts your comments section. Research and you'll see, if after that you feel I'm wrong so be it but I know I'm not and other posters on here will bear testament to that. I emailed your editor on previous posts last year far worse than ones you agreed were unacceptable but he refused to reply after I had reported several comments which remained. I can only base my judgments on the NS's actions.

I've made no wild accusations as you claim, the comments you deem unacceptable are tame in comparison, perhaps you should view the comments history of a few of your serial trolls some of which I've complained about. As a result I don't accept your argument that the NS took a different view.

On the contrary his article on firefighters as you claim on modernising was wholly inaccurate, spiteful and jumping on the bandwagon of hating firefighters. You claim it's not irrelevant but it's exactly that because like you I don't take kindly to false accusations.

The piece also claims that firefighters shouldn't be exempt from cut backs, yet that's been happening since I joined the service 27 years ago and still continues, nothing new. If we'd being excempt from cutbacks can he comment on the difference of firefighter numbers in 1980 and today? Or the 3 year pay freeze? Yes fires are down but we don't just attend fires. He failed to comment on this but also made false claims on cuts that have actually happened, so no research there.

His piece entirely focused on our previous strike and bold assumptions NONE of which were either true or relevant to stations being closed and has now as we warned cost someone's lives! It's not as if we caused this economic crises, we save lives not banks!

Let's not forget his attack on us in 1998 which unleashed a storm of protest and boycott of your paper, didn't this result in an apology I believe. His 2nd attack on us still graces the Union notice boards of most stations. I took great pleasure when you used to ring my station asking for news stories in asking for you to justify your editors comments, I believe you gave up after a dozen or so attempts.

As regards his last article....

Never have we assumed as he claimed being a protected species, what a bizarre comment.

He wrongly claimed we called first national strike during the queens jubilee (again irrelevant) which happened over ten years ago (again irrelevant) but totally wrong, first national strike was in the late 70's.

We never claimed a 30% pay rise, in fact the media claimed and always did that it was a 40% pay rise, how could your editor get that so wrong. In fact the truth is the FBU asked the labour research dept to evaluate the firefighters job. They moved us from the category of 'blue collar workers' to 'associate professional technicians' as a result of the new skills, equipment and roles we had adopted.

This occupation group at the time attracted a salary of 30k, as firefighters at the time were on a basic salary of 21k this equated to a 40% pay rise which of course the right wing media including your editor jumped on, but he got his figures wrong! Why did he not research it?

The FBU had done there research and said to the employers that was what the figures had produced, that has never been disputed nor were we removed from that new category. We stated that was what we was worth but make us an offer, they did, 16% pay rise over 3 years with strings attached which was going to be offered until Prescott, Brown & Blair interfered. They offered us 4%, we declined. A independent review offered us 11%, we declined. We still ended up with the original offer of 16% but over 2.5 years and we accepted ALL of the modernisation proposals. We only did a total of 13 days strike and cancelled more strike dates than ones carried out. How unprofessional your editor should confuse the 30k salary with what equated to 40%.

He wrongly claimed we get paid to sleep, again wrong and irrelevant. He claimed it was brought into focus for the first time, really! We get paid to be available to rescue members of the public 24/7 which we always do and have the highest and most respected attendance times of all emergency services. (though its only through lack of funding that the police and paramedics can't always achieve this and through no fault of their own).

He claimed firefighters are free to have second jobs, really 'FREE', !!! everyone is free to do a 2nd or even 3rd job if they wish. Jobs that we pay tax on as well, makes economic sense. Was he suggesting of endorsing some draconian law that determines what you can and can't do in your own free time!

Firefighters don't retire early, never have. Their pension and conditions of service state they retire at a specific age, that's the schemes of the pension they joined, exactly the same for the armed service and police. We also pay heavily for that scheme, I currently pay over £400 per month and will this year see its 3rd consecutive rise. The pension changed in 2006 for new members that they will work till either 60 or 40 years service, good luck getting rescued by a bunch of 60 year old firefighters! Plus you only get out of a pension what you pay into it and I've paid that so I expect what I deserve and what I was promised. If another occupation has a less desirable or no pension is no justification nor is it a race to the bottom.

Apparently according to your editor I plumb cisterns in my down time, never done that, does he mean during my break or my days off. Quite odd that he assumes he is both my employer and paymaster to determine my job description. Despite the tiny insignificant amount that comes from his taxes that goes towards the fire service does not qualify him to make such outrageous and blatant lies.

He claims 'join the real world' yet I work for the worlds 3rd largest fire brigade in one of the most largest and cosmopolitan city's in the world and have done for 27 years. I have seen and attended incidents I wouldn't wish upon my worse enemy and sustained burns and injuries as part of the job including attending the riots.

Crawling on my hands and knees in thick black smoke with ceiling temperatures of a 1000 degrees searching for poor victims, cutting victims out of car accidents, the countless floods plus all the special services we do. We do that 24/7 365 days a year including public holidays. For that I expect a decent salary and the pension I was promised and pay into. So pretty please what part of the 'real world' do I need to subscribe to. Why did he only mention all of the lies above which I've trashed but not mention what we actually do.

You see it's very easy to assume what firefighters apparently do and fail to mention what we actually do, also very easy for him to make them from behind his safe and cosy office desk. So next time he wants to attack us perhaps jump off the bandwagon, The Sun and Daily Mail do that, heard it all before and water off a ducks back but he's more than welcome to walk a mile in my fire boots and do the job I do.

But don't attack firefighters profession with lies and then get one of his minions to deny accusations against their own profession, hypocrisy at its worse & appalling journalism. I've shown you evidence of racism, I've complained but it will continue in the NS by not policing a system that's failed and I have shown that. You don't get that many comments that one of your staff can't monitor in a short period, I managed it, why don't you?

Your editor also failed in his last article attacking my job to even mention what cuts were been made and that in his opinion wasn't down to the public but the politicians. In fact the public were consulted and 90% plus rejected the cuts! the fire authority rejected the cuts several times but were overruled by Boris. We told you this would cost lives and has now sadly been proved.

Let's return to other examples of underlying racism, though not blatant extremely unpleasant....

This first one regarding support for Steven Lawrence's mother gets a -3 vote!!!! Says it all the the minus votes a typical NS troll craves.

12:55pm Thu 6 Mar 14
mouthalmighty says...

Wow what strength and determination the lawrences have shown. Their persistance will not only bring justice them, BUT for all of us, black white and indifferent. The institutions have, for a long time, relied on our emotional states and apathy in order to get away with so many injustices. I couldn't have continued this quest for justice for so long, I wouldn't have had the strength. I will say it again and continue to say it and mean it, thst persistance pays off. Doreen and co., are a fine example to us all.

If we all questioned our grievances more often, the world would be a better place.
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Yet this one gets a +5 and the next +4 and the next even more distasteful gets a +1, the last is probably the worse. This is a mother who's son was murdered, the police made a complete mess of the investigation including spying on her and her killers escaped justice for decades!!!

Please tell me, especially if you have children of your own and you was Doreen Lawrence how would you feel? Do you accept such comments acceptable under your mantra of being allowed free speech and right to opinion? Are you happy with these comments, if so why? Again referring to Steven Lawrence and his mother.

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Just how many more times is this going to keep being dragged up? It was over 20 years ago FFS
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Dont remember Doreen trying to find the killers of P C Blakelot.
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She don't do Black on White....
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7:27am Fri 28 Feb 14
cosmick says...

Give it a rest we are sick to death of this story rolling on and on.


Then this article by Excalibur about a completely innocent man being shot 7 times at point blank range being justified....

"Put yourselves in the place of those officers, thinking you have a split-second........
....all that person has to do is trigger a button and the who carriage is blown apart. What do you do? If you don’t make a snap-decision, if you don’t open fire, and fifty people die and a hundred are injured, and then the excuse you offer in the subsequent enquiry is that you only had one photo from a bus pass and by the way the lighting wasn’t at studio-level, would this not lead to immediate outrage and justified calls for a complete revision of your operating protocols and the sacking of all officers involved? The media pundits who point the finger of blame at the police officers involved have never had to endure such a situation – the nearest they’ve ever come to danger is when they stagger **** from a Fleet Street pub each day and try and negotiate their way home through the London traffic.

Excalibur says...

Thanks for all of the feedback - I knew the post would attract the odd nutter or two, and AR2048 & Naser1949 didn't disappoint!

And puss in boots, thank you for pointing out the fact that Mr De Menezes was an overstayer - as brutal as this may sound, if he'd abided by the terms of his visa the chances are that he'd be alive today.

One of the other things that I forgot to mention, is the fact that if this had happened in Brazil it would not have garnered any media attention at all - after all, in that country the state officials routinely take the so called 'street children' off the streets and kill them.

The fact is that this has been blown out of all proportion by people who see the UK taxpayer as a cash cow. A line needs to be drawn under this affair now."


Really!!!! do you defend this from the NS? nothing more really to say about it as it speaks volumes about someone who is assumed not to have a valid visa so deserves to be shot. Just how different it would have been if it had been a white born UK citizen.

For the record...

de Menezes was not an illegal immigrant, or an illegal electrician.

de Menezes did not vault over ticket barriers.

de Menezes was not carrying a bag, or wearing a rucksack.

de Menezes, horrifically, was not challenged by police.

de Menezes did not run from the police that did not challenge him.

de Menezes was not wearing a padded jacket that concealed a bomb, but instead a denim jacket that concealed nothing.

de Menezes was not wearing a "bomb belt with wires coming out of it" as described by Anthony Larkin, a possible Metropolitan Police Forensic scientist who, coincidentally, gave the only statement that would provide, albeit tenuously, some justification for the shooting.

So now you begin to get a flavour of how the NS operates and the sort of article it favours, but also the gross distortion and inaccuracies which it turn attracts hateful comments in support, until someone challenges it and then you described them (me) as 'barking mad', being called a lot worse by The Sun.

You claim there are very good reason why comments are not monitored 24/7 but fail to explain why? No reason to alter it but I feel I have shown you several examples why and how your articles attract such bigoted views. And they are just the tip of the iceberg yet your not even aware of the negative attraction your stories get, perhaps it's the type and style of articles you write and the underlying culture within your organisation so typical of the right wing press.

Why not run an alternative flip side to your usual line of enquiry your reporting? Why not write an article on the benefits of immigration, or the benefits of Unions or perhaps actually research particular incidents firefighters have attended from the perspective of entering a burning building while all others are running out and not the common misconceptions your editor favours.

What is it with him and firefighters, did a firefighter not wave to him as the big red truck drove past? Did he fail to get past the first stage of applying for a firefighter? It is tough with tens of thousands of applicants each round of recruiting? Stick to the pencil pushing and lies, nothing will change and I'll continue to challenge.

I'll apologise when your editor writes a piece worthy of being considered professional journalism, i.e. never!

Ps as an example watch the negativity and hatred this will attract, your trolls will be foaming at the mouth.
[quote][p][bold]Simon Bull[/bold] wrote: Hatersgonnahate, while I still support some of your earlier posts on this thread, I now think you're talking nonsense. The two comments you highlighted are not acceptable but I can only repeat again that nobody has flagged them up using our well-established reporting procedure. As for racist comments 'never' being removed, that's absolute tosh. I have removed plenty and will continue to do so when they are brought to my attention. I'm not aware of any complaints you have made in the past. If you have and they have not been actioned to your personal satisfaction it does not follow that we condone racist or otherwise inappropriate behaviour. It just means we took a different view to you at that time. No need for wild conclusions. As for other stories, the same thing applies. If you see comments you don't like, report them and I'll take a look. I can't guarantee that I'll always agree with you about something being offensive or not, but this is the only way to lodge your complaints and put forward comments for possible removal. If there are any not removed it does not follow that I or NS endorse the comment in any way. As for the firefighters comment piece from last year, the editor is perfectly entitled to put forth his opinions and you're perfectly entitled to disagree. He was making no 'accusations', merely saying firefighters should not be forever exempt from changes or cutbacks. If that's his view then I don't see he has anything to retract but here isn't the place to drag this one up. There are very good reasons why our comment moderation policy is in place and there is absolutely no reason to alter it at this time. If you want to jump to the barking mad conclusion that a lack of 24/7 monitoring is an indication of us condoning all the comments posted on here then that's up to you, so be it, no matter. No need to apologise, just know you're completely wrong.[/p][/quote]Please make your mind up, either I'm talking nonsense or you support my posts. You rightly state that the posts I flagged are not acceptable, they're very tame to the other extreme right wing ideology that haunts your comments section. Research and you'll see, if after that you feel I'm wrong so be it but I know I'm not and other posters on here will bear testament to that. I emailed your editor on previous posts last year far worse than ones you agreed were unacceptable but he refused to reply after I had reported several comments which remained. I can only base my judgments on the NS's actions. I've made no wild accusations as you claim, the comments you deem unacceptable are tame in comparison, perhaps you should view the comments history of a few of your serial trolls some of which I've complained about. As a result I don't accept your argument that the NS took a different view. On the contrary his article on firefighters as you claim on modernising was wholly inaccurate, spiteful and jumping on the bandwagon of hating firefighters. You claim it's not irrelevant but it's exactly that because like you I don't take kindly to false accusations. The piece also claims that firefighters shouldn't be exempt from cut backs, yet that's been happening since I joined the service 27 years ago and still continues, nothing new. If we'd being excempt from cutbacks can he comment on the difference of firefighter numbers in 1980 and today? Or the 3 year pay freeze? Yes fires are down but we don't just attend fires. He failed to comment on this but also made false claims on cuts that have actually happened, so no research there. His piece entirely focused on our previous strike and bold assumptions NONE of which were either true or relevant to stations being closed and has now as we warned cost someone's lives! It's not as if we caused this economic crises, we save lives not banks! Let's not forget his attack on us in 1998 which unleashed a storm of protest and boycott of your paper, didn't this result in an apology I believe. His 2nd attack on us still graces the Union notice boards of most stations. I took great pleasure when you used to ring my station asking for news stories in asking for you to justify your editors comments, I believe you gave up after a dozen or so attempts. As regards his last article.... Never have we assumed as he claimed being a protected species, what a bizarre comment. He wrongly claimed we called first national strike during the queens jubilee (again irrelevant) which happened over ten years ago (again irrelevant) but totally wrong, first national strike was in the late 70's. We never claimed a 30% pay rise, in fact the media claimed and always did that it was a 40% pay rise, how could your editor get that so wrong. In fact the truth is the FBU asked the labour research dept to evaluate the firefighters job. They moved us from the category of 'blue collar workers' to 'associate professional technicians' as a result of the new skills, equipment and roles we had adopted. This occupation group at the time attracted a salary of 30k, as firefighters at the time were on a basic salary of 21k this equated to a 40% pay rise which of course the right wing media including your editor jumped on, but he got his figures wrong! Why did he not research it? The FBU had done there research and said to the employers that was what the figures had produced, that has never been disputed nor were we removed from that new category. We stated that was what we was worth but make us an offer, they did, 16% pay rise over 3 years with strings attached which was going to be offered until Prescott, Brown & Blair interfered. They offered us 4%, we declined. A independent review offered us 11%, we declined. We still ended up with the original offer of 16% but over 2.5 years and we accepted ALL of the modernisation proposals. We only did a total of 13 days strike and cancelled more strike dates than ones carried out. How unprofessional your editor should confuse the 30k salary with what equated to 40%. He wrongly claimed we get paid to sleep, again wrong and irrelevant. He claimed it was brought into focus for the first time, really! We get paid to be available to rescue members of the public 24/7 which we always do and have the highest and most respected attendance times of all emergency services. (though its only through lack of funding that the police and paramedics can't always achieve this and through no fault of their own). He claimed firefighters are free to have second jobs, really 'FREE', !!! everyone is free to do a 2nd or even 3rd job if they wish. Jobs that we pay tax on as well, makes economic sense. Was he suggesting of endorsing some draconian law that determines what you can and can't do in your own free time! Firefighters don't retire early, never have. Their pension and conditions of service state they retire at a specific age, that's the schemes of the pension they joined, exactly the same for the armed service and police. We also pay heavily for that scheme, I currently pay over £400 per month and will this year see its 3rd consecutive rise. The pension changed in 2006 for new members that they will work till either 60 or 40 years service, good luck getting rescued by a bunch of 60 year old firefighters! Plus you only get out of a pension what you pay into it and I've paid that so I expect what I deserve and what I was promised. If another occupation has a less desirable or no pension is no justification nor is it a race to the bottom. Apparently according to your editor I plumb cisterns in my down time, never done that, does he mean during my break or my days off. Quite odd that he assumes he is both my employer and paymaster to determine my job description. Despite the tiny insignificant amount that comes from his taxes that goes towards the fire service does not qualify him to make such outrageous and blatant lies. He claims 'join the real world' yet I work for the worlds 3rd largest fire brigade in one of the most largest and cosmopolitan city's in the world and have done for 27 years. I have seen and attended incidents I wouldn't wish upon my worse enemy and sustained burns and injuries as part of the job including attending the riots. Crawling on my hands and knees in thick black smoke with ceiling temperatures of a 1000 degrees searching for poor victims, cutting victims out of car accidents, the countless floods plus all the special services we do. We do that 24/7 365 days a year including public holidays. For that I expect a decent salary and the pension I was promised and pay into. So pretty please what part of the 'real world' do I need to subscribe to. Why did he only mention all of the lies above which I've trashed but not mention what we actually do. You see it's very easy to assume what firefighters apparently do and fail to mention what we actually do, also very easy for him to make them from behind his safe and cosy office desk. So next time he wants to attack us perhaps jump off the bandwagon, The Sun and Daily Mail do that, heard it all before and water off a ducks back but he's more than welcome to walk a mile in my fire boots and do the job I do. But don't attack firefighters profession with lies and then get one of his minions to deny accusations against their own profession, hypocrisy at its worse & appalling journalism. I've shown you evidence of racism, I've complained but it will continue in the NS by not policing a system that's failed and I have shown that. You don't get that many comments that one of your staff can't monitor in a short period, I managed it, why don't you? Your editor also failed in his last article attacking my job to even mention what cuts were been made and that in his opinion wasn't down to the public but the politicians. In fact the public were consulted and 90% plus rejected the cuts! the fire authority rejected the cuts several times but were overruled by Boris. We told you this would cost lives and has now sadly been proved. Let's return to other examples of underlying racism, though not blatant extremely unpleasant.... This first one regarding support for Steven Lawrence's mother gets a -3 vote!!!! Says it all the the minus votes a typical NS troll craves. 12:55pm Thu 6 Mar 14 mouthalmighty says... Wow what strength and determination the lawrences have shown. Their persistance will not only bring justice them, BUT for all of us, black white and indifferent. The institutions have, for a long time, relied on our emotional states and apathy in order to get away with so many injustices. I couldn't have continued this quest for justice for so long, I wouldn't have had the strength. I will say it again and continue to say it and mean it, thst persistance pays off. Doreen and co., are a fine example to us all. If we all questioned our grievances more often, the world would be a better place. Score: -3 Like Dislike Quote » Report this post » Yet this one gets a +5 and the next +4 and the next even more distasteful gets a +1, the last is probably the worse. This is a mother who's son was murdered, the police made a complete mess of the investigation including spying on her and her killers escaped justice for decades!!! Please tell me, especially if you have children of your own and you was Doreen Lawrence how would you feel? Do you accept such comments acceptable under your mantra of being allowed free speech and right to opinion? Are you happy with these comments, if so why? Again referring to Steven Lawrence and his mother. 1:46pm Thu 6 Mar 14 Joelo says... Just how many more times is this going to keep being dragged up? It was over 20 years ago FFS Score: 5 Like Dislike Quote » Report this post » 6:44am Thu 6 Mar 14 cosmick says... Dont remember Doreen trying to find the killers of P C Blakelot. Score: 4 Like Dislike Quote » Report this post » 5:17pm Thu 6 Mar 14 welshmen says... She don't do Black on White.... Score: 1 Like Dislike Quote » Report this post » 7:27am Fri 28 Feb 14 cosmick says... Give it a rest we are sick to death of this story rolling on and on. Then this article by Excalibur about a completely innocent man being shot 7 times at point blank range being justified.... "Put yourselves in the place of those officers, thinking you have a split-second........ ....all that person has to do is trigger a button and the who carriage is blown apart. What do you do? If you don’t make a snap-decision, if you don’t open fire, and fifty people die and a hundred are injured, and then the excuse you offer in the subsequent enquiry is that you only had one photo from a bus pass and by the way the lighting wasn’t at studio-level, would this not lead to immediate outrage and justified calls for a complete revision of your operating protocols and the sacking of all officers involved? The media pundits who point the finger of blame at the police officers involved have never had to endure such a situation – the nearest they’ve ever come to danger is when they stagger **** from a Fleet Street pub each day and try and negotiate their way home through the London traffic. Excalibur says... Thanks for all of the feedback - I knew the post would attract the odd nutter or two, and AR2048 & Naser1949 didn't disappoint! And puss in boots, thank you for pointing out the fact that Mr De Menezes was an overstayer - as brutal as this may sound, if he'd abided by the terms of his visa the chances are that he'd be alive today. One of the other things that I forgot to mention, is the fact that if this had happened in Brazil it would not have garnered any media attention at all - after all, in that country the state officials routinely take the so called 'street children' off the streets and kill them. The fact is that this has been blown out of all proportion by people who see the UK taxpayer as a cash cow. A line needs to be drawn under this affair now." Really!!!! do you defend this from the NS? nothing more really to say about it as it speaks volumes about someone who is assumed not to have a valid visa so deserves to be shot. Just how different it would have been if it had been a white born UK citizen. For the record... de Menezes was not an illegal immigrant, or an illegal electrician. de Menezes did not vault over ticket barriers. de Menezes was not carrying a bag, or wearing a rucksack. de Menezes, horrifically, was not challenged by police. de Menezes did not run from the police that did not challenge him. de Menezes was not wearing a padded jacket that concealed a bomb, but instead a denim jacket that concealed nothing. de Menezes was not wearing a "bomb belt with wires coming out of it" as described by Anthony Larkin, a possible Metropolitan Police Forensic scientist who, coincidentally, gave the only statement that would provide, albeit tenuously, some justification for the shooting. So now you begin to get a flavour of how the NS operates and the sort of article it favours, but also the gross distortion and inaccuracies which it turn attracts hateful comments in support, until someone challenges it and then you described them (me) as 'barking mad', being called a lot worse by The Sun. You claim there are very good reason why comments are not monitored 24/7 but fail to explain why? No reason to alter it but I feel I have shown you several examples why and how your articles attract such bigoted views. And they are just the tip of the iceberg yet your not even aware of the negative attraction your stories get, perhaps it's the type and style of articles you write and the underlying culture within your organisation so typical of the right wing press. Why not run an alternative flip side to your usual line of enquiry your reporting? Why not write an article on the benefits of immigration, or the benefits of Unions or perhaps actually research particular incidents firefighters have attended from the perspective of entering a burning building while all others are running out and not the common misconceptions your editor favours. What is it with him and firefighters, did a firefighter not wave to him as the big red truck drove past? Did he fail to get past the first stage of applying for a firefighter? It is tough with tens of thousands of applicants each round of recruiting? Stick to the pencil pushing and lies, nothing will change and I'll continue to challenge. I'll apologise when your editor writes a piece worthy of being considered professional journalism, i.e. never! Ps as an example watch the negativity and hatred this will attract, your trolls will be foaming at the mouth. Hatersgonnahate
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12:41am Fri 7 Mar 14

Dr. Nick says...

No disrespect to Hatersgonnahate. Can someone remind me how we managed to get from a logical debate on racism to something about firefighters? Riveting though this is, I do feel we are not in Kansas anymore.
No disrespect to Hatersgonnahate. Can someone remind me how we managed to get from a logical debate on racism to something about firefighters? Riveting though this is, I do feel we are not in Kansas anymore. Dr. Nick
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2:25am Fri 7 Mar 14

Hatersgonnahate says...

Dr. Nick wrote:
No disrespect to Hatersgonnahate. Can someone remind me how we managed to get from a logical debate on racism to something about firefighters? Riveting though this is, I do feel we are not in Kansas anymore.
No your right Dr. Nick it is a tad off topic but used to bolster an argument against the NS & this guy that's being questioning me. As I pulled them up over their editorial ethics & how they've responded to my critisim of comments they took the moral high ground. I had to use the response of an unrelated article their editor used to attack my profession & used that to show how grossly inaccurate & full of lies it was to prove a point. They didn't like it when I criticized their profession but was ok for them to lie about mine based on assumptions and blatant lies which I showed as I actually do that job. It's been a common occurance by their editor over the years & his open hatred against firefighters, quite bizarre to say the least. Anyway out in the open now and back to the main topic in point. Thanks anyway for the support earlier & has had the unexpected result of shutting the ignorant & uneducated racists.
[quote][p][bold]Dr. Nick[/bold] wrote: No disrespect to Hatersgonnahate. Can someone remind me how we managed to get from a logical debate on racism to something about firefighters? Riveting though this is, I do feel we are not in Kansas anymore.[/p][/quote]No your right Dr. Nick it is a tad off topic but used to bolster an argument against the NS & this guy that's being questioning me. As I pulled them up over their editorial ethics & how they've responded to my critisim of comments they took the moral high ground. I had to use the response of an unrelated article their editor used to attack my profession & used that to show how grossly inaccurate & full of lies it was to prove a point. They didn't like it when I criticized their profession but was ok for them to lie about mine based on assumptions and blatant lies which I showed as I actually do that job. It's been a common occurance by their editor over the years & his open hatred against firefighters, quite bizarre to say the least. Anyway out in the open now and back to the main topic in point. Thanks anyway for the support earlier & has had the unexpected result of shutting the ignorant & uneducated racists. Hatersgonnahate
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2:39am Fri 7 Mar 14

Hatersgonnahate says...

(1.) In the past I was a moderator of an open forum and know all too well the implications of such lacklustre monitoring/moderatin

g - with this forum being visible to anyone of any age, with no age check or restrictions in place, there is a huge moral and legal minefield to be traversed. The NS may want to address this issue before they become a headline in their own paper by mistake.


Take note NS the above is from another poster not me & I'm fully aware of how in the past you've ran story's based on fiction not fact with complete disregard for the identities of those in the article. Would be very embarrassing for a local council to have to take out an injunction again to make you remove a piece from your website. How thoughtless just to pander to the needs of your typical Sun bigoted readership, shame on you, if only I could elaborate.
(1.) In the past I was a moderator of an open forum and know all too well the implications of such lacklustre monitoring/moderatin g - with this forum being visible to anyone of any age, with no age check or restrictions in place, there is a huge moral and legal minefield to be traversed. The NS may want to address this issue before they become a headline in their own paper by mistake. Take note NS the above is from another poster not me & I'm fully aware of how in the past you've ran story's based on fiction not fact with complete disregard for the identities of those in the article. Would be very embarrassing for a local council to have to take out an injunction again to make you remove a piece from your website. How thoughtless just to pander to the needs of your typical Sun bigoted readership, shame on you, if only I could elaborate. Hatersgonnahate
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2:42am Fri 7 Mar 14

Hatersgonnahate says...

g - with this forum being visible to anyone of any age, with no age check or restrictions in place, there is a huge moral and legal minefield to be traversed. The NS may want to address this issue before they become a headline in their own paper by mistake.


Oh don't worry that's in hand, the attempt by their minion to defend it & lack of control was the icing on the cake, just a matter of time now :-))
g - with this forum being visible to anyone of any age, with no age check or restrictions in place, there is a huge moral and legal minefield to be traversed. The NS may want to address this issue before they become a headline in their own paper by mistake. Oh don't worry that's in hand, the attempt by their minion to defend it & lack of control was the icing on the cake, just a matter of time now :-)) Hatersgonnahate
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2:51am Fri 7 Mar 14

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iainwarren wrote:
Then go and live in a small town instead of one of the most multicultural cities in the world! Personally I'm proud to live in a country AND city that attracts people from all over the world
Including trained terrorists?
[quote][p][bold]iainwarren[/bold] wrote: Then go and live in a small town instead of one of the most multicultural cities in the world! Personally I'm proud to live in a country AND city that attracts people from all over the world[/p][/quote]Including trained terrorists? Stop_Whining
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9:53am Fri 7 Mar 14

Simon Bull says...

Hatersgonnahate, I support your earlier comments attacking the typical far-right viewpoint because I thought you put forward some reasoned arguments backed up by figures.

Unfortunately, your most recent derogatory, obnoxious and patronising posts have only served to remind me of who you are and the opinion I formed of you from previous communications. Your attacks on News Shopper are thoroughly unjustified as well as wildly inaccurate in places and defamatory in others.

Given how you're continuing to stamp and shout after not getting your own way in the past and how you're still making ridiculous statements now, I'm not going to discuss these matters with you any further. I'll end with a suggestion that if you feel this strongly against News Shopper you consider going elsewhere. Only a nutter or masochist would keep returning to a newspaper website they obviously dislike so much.
Hatersgonnahate, I support your earlier comments attacking the typical far-right viewpoint because I thought you put forward some reasoned arguments backed up by figures. Unfortunately, your most recent derogatory, obnoxious and patronising posts have only served to remind me of who you are and the opinion I formed of you from previous communications. Your attacks on News Shopper are thoroughly unjustified as well as wildly inaccurate in places and defamatory in others. Given how you're continuing to stamp and shout after not getting your own way in the past and how you're still making ridiculous statements now, I'm not going to discuss these matters with you any further. I'll end with a suggestion that if you feel this strongly against News Shopper you consider going elsewhere. Only a nutter or masochist would keep returning to a newspaper website they obviously dislike so much. Simon Bull
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10:15am Fri 7 Mar 14

Simon Bull says...

Dr. Nick wrote:
I have to say I partly agree with Simon Bull. Though the NS could do better.

In the past I have reported things and they have been taken down. Point in case; a post which suggested "shooting cyclists at read lights" was removed after I pointed out the legality of such a comment and the possible impact on the NS had they kept it up. There are a few other more serious cases which I will not mention as I do not want to give the idiot trolls fodder.

My point being, that I agree that we -should- utilise the facility given to us to report offensive posts more and more frequently, though this would not only create more work for the already busy NS staff/editors, but would also mean the curbing of free speech (something which I feel is important for us to keep). Perhaps if we were all to look back on the above comments and report what we find offensive this would partly solve the problem. However, as both Goldenbroom boy and Gypo.Joe have suggested, this would mean that we then don't have anything to balance our majority view against - swings and roundabouts I fear.

I do however feel that the NS does have a public duty to monitor the comments section of this forum better and this is a failing on their part (1.), especially where it comes to the +/- votes which always appear rigged by a few individuals (you know who you are). Perhaps the system should implicate the 1 IP Address = 1 Vote system other forums utilise.

I do still hold that Hatersgonnahate has a lot of very valid points.


(1.) In the past I was a moderator of an open forum and know all too well the implications of such lacklustre monitoring/moderatin

g - with this forum being visible to anyone of any age, with no age check or restrictions in place, there is a huge moral and legal minefield to be traversed. The NS may want to address this issue before they become a headline in their own paper by mistake.
Thanks for your comments and advice at the end. This has got long and off-topic enough already so I'm not going to come back on everything I want to, but I will say that the 'report comment' option is there to be used - it won't guarantee every comment someone doesn't like being removed, but if people don't at least use it they can have no complaints about continuing to see comments they think are inappropriate.
[quote][p][bold]Dr. Nick[/bold] wrote: I have to say I partly agree with Simon Bull. Though the NS could do better. In the past I have reported things and they have been taken down. Point in case; a post which suggested "shooting cyclists at read lights" was removed after I pointed out the legality of such a comment and the possible impact on the NS had they kept it up. There are a few other more serious cases which I will not mention as I do not want to give the idiot trolls fodder. My point being, that I agree that we -should- utilise the facility given to us to report offensive posts more and more frequently, though this would not only create more work for the already busy NS staff/editors, but would also mean the curbing of free speech (something which I feel is important for us to keep). Perhaps if we were all to look back on the above comments and report what we find offensive this would partly solve the problem. However, as both Goldenbroom boy and Gypo.Joe have suggested, this would mean that we then don't have anything to balance our majority view against - swings and roundabouts I fear. I do however feel that the NS does have a public duty to monitor the comments section of this forum better and this is a failing on their part (1.), especially where it comes to the +/- votes which always appear rigged by a few individuals (you know who you are). Perhaps the system should implicate the 1 IP Address = 1 Vote system other forums utilise. I do still hold that Hatersgonnahate has a lot of very valid points. (1.) In the past I was a moderator of an open forum and know all too well the implications of such lacklustre monitoring/moderatin g - with this forum being visible to anyone of any age, with no age check or restrictions in place, there is a huge moral and legal minefield to be traversed. The NS may want to address this issue before they become a headline in their own paper by mistake.[/p][/quote]Thanks for your comments and advice at the end. This has got long and off-topic enough already so I'm not going to come back on everything I want to, but I will say that the 'report comment' option is there to be used - it won't guarantee every comment someone doesn't like being removed, but if people don't at least use it they can have no complaints about continuing to see comments they think are inappropriate. Simon Bull
  • Score: 18

11:13am Fri 7 Mar 14

neighbour says...

I have a confession to make: I am an Englishman and I speak French, and when I'm in France, I speak French. Even when my French friends say 'Ah! I can practice my English with you!'. Well, up to a point, and NOT in supermarkets, on public transport or any other public place come to think of it. To speak English would, in my opinion, be a mark of disrespect. On explaining this (in French) to my French mates in a branch of Lidl's, an old guy actually doffed his cap and said 'Merci!' His wife gave me a slight bow and a kind look. WHEN IN ROME, DO AS THE ROMANS DO. My Spanish isn't too bad either and you won't often hear me speaking English when I'm there.
I have a confession to make: I am an Englishman and I speak French, and when I'm in France, I speak French. Even when my French friends say 'Ah! I can practice my English with you!'. Well, up to a point, and NOT in supermarkets, on public transport or any other public place come to think of it. To speak English would, in my opinion, be a mark of disrespect. On explaining this (in French) to my French mates in a branch of Lidl's, an old guy actually doffed his cap and said 'Merci!' His wife gave me a slight bow and a kind look. WHEN IN ROME, DO AS THE ROMANS DO. My Spanish isn't too bad either and you won't often hear me speaking English when I'm there. neighbour
  • Score: 34

11:15am Fri 7 Mar 14

neighbour says...

PS: Please note that I said ROMAN! Not ROMA!
PS: Please note that I said ROMAN! Not ROMA! neighbour
  • Score: 11

11:17am Fri 7 Mar 14

Gypo.Joe says...

WOW !!

Haters you really do have some anger issues pent up there. Well all I'm going to say is you have nicely cultivated the image of the fire fairies again for us all, and I just hope you weren't on the pay roll at 'work' while you composed your diatribe. Or perhaps you were sat watching the rubbish smolder down at Crittals Corner. I know someone has to do it !

Lighten up bro and you stay safe. ( seriously )
WOW !! Haters you really do have some anger issues pent up there. Well all I'm going to say is you have nicely cultivated the image of the fire fairies again for us all, and I just hope you weren't on the pay roll at 'work' while you composed your diatribe. Or perhaps you were sat watching the rubbish smolder down at Crittals Corner. I know someone has to do it ! Lighten up bro and you stay safe. ( seriously ) Gypo.Joe
  • Score: -26

11:37am Fri 7 Mar 14

Gypo.Joe says...

neighbour wrote:
I have a confession to make: I am an Englishman and I speak French, and when I'm in France, I speak French. Even when my French friends say 'Ah! I can practice my English with you!'. Well, up to a point, and NOT in supermarkets, on public transport or any other public place come to think of it. To speak English would, in my opinion, be a mark of disrespect. On explaining this (in French) to my French mates in a branch of Lidl's, an old guy actually doffed his cap and said 'Merci!' His wife gave me a slight bow and a kind look. WHEN IN ROME, DO AS THE ROMANS DO. My Spanish isn't too bad either and you won't often hear me speaking English when I'm there.
What do you mean exactly ?

Throw some Christians to the lions ?

Do tell please.
[quote][p][bold]neighbour[/bold] wrote: I have a confession to make: I am an Englishman and I speak French, and when I'm in France, I speak French. Even when my French friends say 'Ah! I can practice my English with you!'. Well, up to a point, and NOT in supermarkets, on public transport or any other public place come to think of it. To speak English would, in my opinion, be a mark of disrespect. On explaining this (in French) to my French mates in a branch of Lidl's, an old guy actually doffed his cap and said 'Merci!' His wife gave me a slight bow and a kind look. WHEN IN ROME, DO AS THE ROMANS DO. My Spanish isn't too bad either and you won't often hear me speaking English when I'm there.[/p][/quote]What do you mean exactly ? Throw some Christians to the lions ? Do tell please. Gypo.Joe
  • Score: -23

6:53pm Fri 7 Mar 14

kevint1972 says...

Question for News Shopper staff / moderators - are you able to see the IP addresses of posters here? If not, can your IT staff? I'm curious how many of the posters on this thread share the same IP. I'm not asking you to post the information, just verify that people are posting under multiple identities.
Question for News Shopper staff / moderators - are you able to see the IP addresses of posters here? If not, can your IT staff? I'm curious how many of the posters on this thread share the same IP. I'm not asking you to post the information, just verify that people are posting under multiple identities. kevint1972
  • Score: 51

7:04pm Fri 7 Mar 14

sarfflondonbird says...

goldenbroomboy wrote:
FTR I am quite happy for PUKIP & British Nazi Party types to be allowed to post on here because it shows up their crude ideologies for the kak that they actually are.

Also it means that any casual reader of the site will take note that we are not all racists & bigots & contrary to attempts by PUKIP & British Nazi Party to swamp the voluntary media with their simplistic postings they are not as popular as they like to think they are.
It would appear that you and your cronies are not all that popular onhere either by the amount of thumbs down you get. When you mention kak Spoken on here by imaginary racists, you should actually read your child like rants that you spout, childish remarks such as yours made against ukip and bnp/edl make you sound pathetic. Just saying like.
[quote][p][bold]goldenbroomboy[/bold] wrote: FTR I am quite happy for PUKIP & British Nazi Party types to be allowed to post on here because it shows up their crude ideologies for the kak that they actually are. Also it means that any casual reader of the site will take note that we are not all racists & bigots & contrary to attempts by PUKIP & British Nazi Party to swamp the voluntary media with their simplistic postings they are not as popular as they like to think they are.[/p][/quote]It would appear that you and your cronies are not all that popular onhere either by the amount of thumbs down you get. When you mention kak Spoken on here by imaginary racists, you should actually read your child like rants that you spout, childish remarks such as yours made against ukip and bnp/edl make you sound pathetic. Just saying like. sarfflondonbird
  • Score: 22

7:24pm Fri 7 Mar 14

JoeBlobbs says...

kevint1972 wrote:
Question for News Shopper staff / moderators - are you able to see the IP addresses of posters here? If not, can your IT staff? I'm curious how many of the posters on this thread share the same IP. I'm not asking you to post the information, just verify that people are posting under multiple identities.
Dear NS, if it makes kev happy can you please confirm that I have only ever used one log in and am not one of the multiple personality posters.

Heaven forbid someone might think I'm the White Rabbit
[quote][p][bold]kevint1972[/bold] wrote: Question for News Shopper staff / moderators - are you able to see the IP addresses of posters here? If not, can your IT staff? I'm curious how many of the posters on this thread share the same IP. I'm not asking you to post the information, just verify that people are posting under multiple identities.[/p][/quote]Dear NS, if it makes kev happy can you please confirm that I have only ever used one log in and am not one of the multiple personality posters. Heaven forbid someone might think I'm the White Rabbit JoeBlobbs
  • Score: -46

7:46pm Fri 7 Mar 14

Gypo.Joe says...

I'm not WR9 either.

I'm Spartacus !

"childish remarks such as yours made against ukip and bnp/edl "

sarflondonturd you need to read your own childish racist innuendo.
I'm not WR9 either. I'm Spartacus ! "childish remarks such as yours made against ukip and bnp/edl " sarflondonturd you need to read your own childish racist innuendo. Gypo.Joe
  • Score: -25

11:25pm Fri 7 Mar 14

Dr. Nick says...

sarfflondonbird wrote:
goldenbroomboy wrote:
FTR I am quite happy for PUKIP & British Nazi Party types to be allowed to post on here because it shows up their crude ideologies for the kak that they actually are.

Also it means that any casual reader of the site will take note that we are not all racists & bigots & contrary to attempts by PUKIP & British Nazi Party to swamp the voluntary media with their simplistic postings they are not as popular as they like to think they are.
It would appear that you and your cronies are not all that popular onhere either by the amount of thumbs down you get. When you mention kak Spoken on here by imaginary racists, you should actually read your child like rants that you spout, childish remarks such as yours made against ukip and bnp/edl make you sound pathetic. Just saying like.
Hmmm... and you want us to believe that the thumbs voting is accurate? Please, give us some credit. As Kevint1972 is pointing out, things one here can be manipulated - we all know that the voting is manipulated as it is possible for one person with one machine to vote multiple times. That is common knowledge and has even been proved before. We not only have racist morons on her, but also some people who think they are smarter than the average bear - what a bunch of booboos. Just have a look at just how quickly individuals can be shot down by around 30 votes, even I know that there are not that many people reading the articles in short spaces of time. Want more proof? There is actually a way of finding out how the votes were cast... not rocket science that one. I have come to enjoy getting lost of negatives, I feel popular that so many individuals (read 5 at the most) want to spend their time hating me :)

They are playing us all for fools - the problem is the fools are the ones who don't see it. Just sit back and watch posts on other topics and you will see it.

I find the whole thing rather amusing really :) Bring on my -30... lol
[quote][p][bold]sarfflondonbird[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]goldenbroomboy[/bold] wrote: FTR I am quite happy for PUKIP & British Nazi Party types to be allowed to post on here because it shows up their crude ideologies for the kak that they actually are. Also it means that any casual reader of the site will take note that we are not all racists & bigots & contrary to attempts by PUKIP & British Nazi Party to swamp the voluntary media with their simplistic postings they are not as popular as they like to think they are.[/p][/quote]It would appear that you and your cronies are not all that popular onhere either by the amount of thumbs down you get. When you mention kak Spoken on here by imaginary racists, you should actually read your child like rants that you spout, childish remarks such as yours made against ukip and bnp/edl make you sound pathetic. Just saying like.[/p][/quote]Hmmm... and you want us to believe that the thumbs voting is accurate? Please, give us some credit. As Kevint1972 is pointing out, things one here can be manipulated - we all know that the voting is manipulated as it is possible for one person with one machine to vote multiple times. That is common knowledge and has even been proved before. We not only have racist morons on her, but also some people who think they are smarter than the average bear - what a bunch of booboos. Just have a look at just how quickly individuals can be shot down by around 30 votes, even I know that there are not that many people reading the articles in short spaces of time. Want more proof? There is actually a way of finding out how the votes were cast... not rocket science that one. I have come to enjoy getting lost of negatives, I feel popular that so many individuals (read 5 at the most) want to spend their time hating me :) They are playing us all for fools - the problem is the fools are the ones who don't see it. Just sit back and watch posts on other topics and you will see it. I find the whole thing rather amusing really :) Bring on my -30... lol Dr. Nick
  • Score: -35

11:30pm Fri 7 Mar 14

Dr. Nick says...

Gypo.Joe wrote:
I'm not WR9 either.

I'm Spartacus !

"childish remarks such as yours made against ukip and bnp/edl "

sarflondonturd you need to read your own childish racist innuendo.
I am starting to believe sarfflondonbird and wr9 are the same person... I mean animal... you know what I mean ;)

Cor, there is more vote rigging here that on an ITV morning show!
[quote][p][bold]Gypo.Joe[/bold] wrote: I'm not WR9 either. I'm Spartacus ! "childish remarks such as yours made against ukip and bnp/edl " sarflondonturd you need to read your own childish racist innuendo.[/p][/quote]I am starting to believe sarfflondonbird and wr9 are the same person... I mean animal... you know what I mean ;) Cor, there is more vote rigging here that on an ITV morning show! Dr. Nick
  • Score: -44

1:30am Sat 8 Mar 14

Gypo.Joe says...

I wear my negative votes with pride. It's an honour I cherish. I could very well march along waving my Union Jack wearing my negative badges all glinting in the morning sun, why I may even drag a cross for good measure.

Perhaps it's only the Guinness speaking though.
I wear my negative votes with pride. It's an honour I cherish. I could very well march along waving my Union Jack wearing my negative badges all glinting in the morning sun, why I may even drag a cross for good measure. Perhaps it's only the Guinness speaking though. Gypo.Joe
  • Score: -39

11:22pm Sat 8 Mar 14

The Fozziest of Bears says...

Once again some of you have reached for the "racist" red card in order to defend whatever it is that you think needs defending.

Back to the original point:
This landmass is overcrowded.
Maybe it's overcrowded by people who have been here since 1066, but the fact doesn't change - we are overcrowded.

Now, shall we get rid of some that are already here ?
Or shall we stop taking any more ?

It's simple, nothing to do with height/width/colour/
shape or anything else.

Typical of the existing parties to try and dodge the overcrowding issue with racism soundbites and phoney statistics.

Do what politicians don't - go for a simple blood test at the local hospital, or try and register at a local NHS dentist, or pop on the train up to town at 8:30am and look for an empty seat.

You will see that we have gone from 60m population to 65m in the last decade and heading for 70m in this decade. It's unsustainable, we were 90,000 primary school places short of requirements in September 2013.

Remember, you can't just keep on building more house and schools on an island that is eroding because people want to come here.
Once again some of you have reached for the "racist" red card in order to defend whatever it is that you think needs defending. Back to the original point: This landmass is overcrowded. Maybe it's overcrowded by people who have been here since 1066, but the fact doesn't change - we are overcrowded. Now, shall we get rid of some that are already here ? Or shall we stop taking any more ? It's simple, nothing to do with height/width/colour/ shape or anything else. Typical of the existing parties to try and dodge the overcrowding issue with racism soundbites and phoney statistics. Do what politicians don't - go for a simple blood test at the local hospital, or try and register at a local NHS dentist, or pop on the train up to town at 8:30am and look for an empty seat. You will see that we have gone from 60m population to 65m in the last decade and heading for 70m in this decade. It's unsustainable, we were 90,000 primary school places short of requirements in September 2013. Remember, you can't just keep on building more house and schools on an island that is eroding because people want to come here. The Fozziest of Bears
  • Score: 57

10:45pm Sun 9 Mar 14

Kakikomi says...

Oh my god, the comments read like Question Time! They're hilarious!
Oh my god, the comments read like Question Time! They're hilarious! Kakikomi
  • Score: 6

6:29am Mon 10 Mar 14

sarfflondonbird says...

Gypo.Joe wrote:
Hatersgonnahate you nailed it !

Thank you.
Having finally found afew spare moments to sit and read this drivel, It hasn't really nailed anything on the head. I can find plenty of flaws in its lengthy rants but as it is not interested in any one else's responses to have the courtesy to reply back, why bother commenting to it? The only thing I will say is that I wonder how many true friends it really has with a pompous, jumped and self righteous attitude it displays on here? I bet it's a right bundle of fun to be around. It may feel it's under the pretence of being a tad intellectual and superior to others on here, but really it is a little nobody of significance. Don't expect a reply to any response eh.
[quote][p][bold]Gypo.Joe[/bold] wrote: Hatersgonnahate you nailed it ! Thank you.[/p][/quote]Having finally found afew spare moments to sit and read this drivel, It hasn't really nailed anything on the head. I can find plenty of flaws in its lengthy rants but as it is not interested in any one else's responses to have the courtesy to reply back, why bother commenting to it? The only thing I will say is that I wonder how many true friends it really has with a pompous, jumped and self righteous attitude it displays on here? I bet it's a right bundle of fun to be around. It may feel it's under the pretence of being a tad intellectual and superior to others on here, but really it is a little nobody of significance. Don't expect a reply to any response eh. sarfflondonbird
  • Score: 57

10:13am Mon 10 Mar 14

Gypo.Joe says...

sarfflondonbird wrote:
Gypo.Joe wrote:
Hatersgonnahate you nailed it !

Thank you.
Having finally found afew spare moments to sit and read this drivel, It hasn't really nailed anything on the head. I can find plenty of flaws in its lengthy rants but as it is not interested in any one else's responses to have the courtesy to reply back, why bother commenting to it? The only thing I will say is that I wonder how many true friends it really has with a pompous, jumped and self righteous attitude it displays on here? I bet it's a right bundle of fun to be around. It may feel it's under the pretence of being a tad intellectual and superior to others on here, but really it is a little nobody of significance. Don't expect a reply to any response eh.
Pot kettle kettle pot sarflondonturd.
[quote][p][bold]sarfflondonbird[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Gypo.Joe[/bold] wrote: Hatersgonnahate you nailed it ! Thank you.[/p][/quote]Having finally found afew spare moments to sit and read this drivel, It hasn't really nailed anything on the head. I can find plenty of flaws in its lengthy rants but as it is not interested in any one else's responses to have the courtesy to reply back, why bother commenting to it? The only thing I will say is that I wonder how many true friends it really has with a pompous, jumped and self righteous attitude it displays on here? I bet it's a right bundle of fun to be around. It may feel it's under the pretence of being a tad intellectual and superior to others on here, but really it is a little nobody of significance. Don't expect a reply to any response eh.[/p][/quote]Pot kettle kettle pot sarflondonturd. Gypo.Joe
  • Score: -30

12:50pm Mon 10 Mar 14

Dr. Nick says...

sarfflondonbird wrote:
Gypo.Joe wrote:
Hatersgonnahate you nailed it !

Thank you.
Having finally found afew spare moments to sit and read this drivel, It hasn't really nailed anything on the head. I can find plenty of flaws in its lengthy rants but as it is not interested in any one else's responses to have the courtesy to reply back, why bother commenting to it? The only thing I will say is that I wonder how many true friends it really has with a pompous, jumped and self righteous attitude it displays on here? I bet it's a right bundle of fun to be around. It may feel it's under the pretence of being a tad intellectual and superior to others on here, but really it is a little nobody of significance. Don't expect a reply to any response eh.
Heh, somebody really got your goat didn't they. That's really funny :) lol
[quote][p][bold]sarfflondonbird[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Gypo.Joe[/bold] wrote: Hatersgonnahate you nailed it ! Thank you.[/p][/quote]Having finally found afew spare moments to sit and read this drivel, It hasn't really nailed anything on the head. I can find plenty of flaws in its lengthy rants but as it is not interested in any one else's responses to have the courtesy to reply back, why bother commenting to it? The only thing I will say is that I wonder how many true friends it really has with a pompous, jumped and self righteous attitude it displays on here? I bet it's a right bundle of fun to be around. It may feel it's under the pretence of being a tad intellectual and superior to others on here, but really it is a little nobody of significance. Don't expect a reply to any response eh.[/p][/quote]Heh, somebody really got your goat didn't they. That's really funny :) lol Dr. Nick
  • Score: -25

5:13pm Mon 10 Mar 14

Gypo.Joe says...

Hatersgonnahate can't reply sarflondonturd he is busy parked up dahn Crittals Corner watching the rubbish smolder.

The Fozziest of Bears would you like a little ethnic cleansing ? 'The Final Solution' sound about right for you ?
Let me guess who you'd like to start with.
Hatersgonnahate can't reply sarflondonturd he is busy parked up dahn Crittals Corner watching the rubbish smolder. The Fozziest of Bears would you like a little ethnic cleansing ? 'The Final Solution' sound about right for you ? Let me guess who you'd like to start with. Gypo.Joe
  • Score: -36

10:51am Tue 11 Mar 14

The Fozziest of Bears says...

Well GJ, I would start with all those who think they are witty - but are actually just one-line keyboard warriors.
Well GJ, I would start with all those who think they are witty - but are actually just one-line keyboard warriors. The Fozziest of Bears
  • Score: 43

1:47pm Tue 11 Mar 14

Gypo.Joe says...

The Fozziest of Bears wrote:
Well GJ, I would start with all those who think they are witty - but are actually just one-line keyboard warriors.
Pot kettle, kettle pot. I know I said that already but the cap fits you too Fozzie.

Mind it don't fall down over your eyes boi.

You never told us who you would round up first ?? Lost ya gonads did ya BOI ?
[quote][p][bold]The Fozziest of Bears[/bold] wrote: Well GJ, I would start with all those who think they are witty - but are actually just one-line keyboard warriors.[/p][/quote]Pot kettle, kettle pot. I know I said that already but the cap fits you too Fozzie. Mind it don't fall down over your eyes boi. You never told us who you would round up first ?? Lost ya gonads did ya BOI ? Gypo.Joe
  • Score: -27

10:01pm Tue 11 Mar 14

Dr. Nick says...

The Fozziest of Bears wrote:
Well GJ, I would start with all those who think they are witty - but are actually just one-line keyboard warriors.
Hmmm... so that would be over very quickly as you would start with yourself? You 'think' you are witty and you are the 'king' of the one liners; as proved by your post.

Bye bye TFoB.
[quote][p][bold]The Fozziest of Bears[/bold] wrote: Well GJ, I would start with all those who think they are witty - but are actually just one-line keyboard warriors.[/p][/quote]Hmmm... so that would be over very quickly as you would start with yourself? You 'think' you are witty and you are the 'king' of the one liners; as proved by your post. Bye bye TFoB. Dr. Nick
  • Score: -29

9:58am Wed 12 Mar 14

Gypo.Joe says...

Dr Nick I'm thinking we should demand the UN come in and monitor the voting on here. We need a team of inspectors, and when do we want them ...NOW !


THAnk YOu
Dr Nick I'm thinking we should demand the UN come in and monitor the voting on here. We need a team of inspectors, and when do we want them ...NOW ! THAnk YOu Gypo.Joe
  • Score: -32

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