Report reveals cyclists feel more unsafe than ever two days after serious accident near Bromley Common

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A REPORT revealing cyclists feel more unsafe than ever has been published two days after an accident near Bromley Common.

A 41-year-old man was hit by a van in Southborough Lane on Tuesday afternoon and was taken to hospital with head injuries.

Shopkeeper Abaraham Thavarajah, 38, saw the casualty being treated and said “it didn’t look nice”, recalling a similar incident months earlier that also involved a cyclist.

The accident comes as a survey-led report from the London Assembly Transport Committee stating that more than two third of cyclists feel more unsafe than ever.

According to figures accident rates have been rising every year since 2006, with those on two wheels feeling "squashed between cars and buses".

The assembly's called for more to be done to help improve safety. Deputy chair of the committee, Caroline Pidgeon AM said: "Cyclists have been at great risk of accidents and their safety needs to be prioritised as soon as possible."

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10:25am Thu 27 Feb 14

joncook says...

The answer is very simple.
Firstly, any cyclist wanting to ride on the road should have to pass a test, secondly, any cyclist using the road should have insurance and pay road tax. Thirdly when you're riding your bike remember that a motorist is protected by a lot of metal and seat belts and airbags! Cyclists are not so use some common sense and don't cycle like your the only person on the road.
Three very simple things to make you feel safer, bet none of them happen though!
The answer is very simple. Firstly, any cyclist wanting to ride on the road should have to pass a test, secondly, any cyclist using the road should have insurance and pay road tax. Thirdly when you're riding your bike remember that a motorist is protected by a lot of metal and seat belts and airbags! Cyclists are not so use some common sense and don't cycle like your the only person on the road. Three very simple things to make you feel safer, bet none of them happen though! joncook

10:54am Thu 27 Feb 14

Dr. Nick says...

lol... Road Tax... lol...

Here we go again ;o)
lol... Road Tax... lol... Here we go again ;o) Dr. Nick

3:23pm Thu 27 Feb 14

danm5577 says...

joncook wrote:
The answer is very simple.
Firstly, any cyclist wanting to ride on the road should have to pass a test, secondly, any cyclist using the road should have insurance and pay road tax. Thirdly when you're riding your bike remember that a motorist is protected by a lot of metal and seat belts and airbags! Cyclists are not so use some common sense and don't cycle like your the only person on the road.
Three very simple things to make you feel safer, bet none of them happen though!
Completly agree!
Maybe if they had to pay road tax then they might actually use cycle lanes!
I have seen a lot of bad cyclists (not saying they are all the same or are all to blame)
But time and time again you see them not using cycle lanes, jumping red lights, using footpaths to avoid the red lights, swerving between cars in queues.
And going alongside lorries and buses!
[quote][p][bold]joncook[/bold] wrote: The answer is very simple. Firstly, any cyclist wanting to ride on the road should have to pass a test, secondly, any cyclist using the road should have insurance and pay road tax. Thirdly when you're riding your bike remember that a motorist is protected by a lot of metal and seat belts and airbags! Cyclists are not so use some common sense and don't cycle like your the only person on the road. Three very simple things to make you feel safer, bet none of them happen though![/p][/quote]Completly agree! Maybe if they had to pay road tax then they might actually use cycle lanes! I have seen a lot of bad cyclists (not saying they are all the same or are all to blame) But time and time again you see them not using cycle lanes, jumping red lights, using footpaths to avoid the red lights, swerving between cars in queues. And going alongside lorries and buses! danm5577

3:27pm Thu 27 Feb 14

Meehir says...

The answer is very simple. Firstly,any person wanting to drive on the road should have to pass a test,secondly,any driver using the road should have insurance and pay vehicle licence duty. Thirdly,when you are driving your car,remember that a cyclist is vulnerable as they are not protected by a metal cage nor have seatbelts or airbags! So use common sense and don't drive like you're the only person on the road.
Three very simple things to make people feel and be safer, bet none of them happen though. (Ftfy joncook).
The answer is very simple. Firstly,any person wanting to drive on the road should have to pass a test,secondly,any driver using the road should have insurance and pay vehicle licence duty. Thirdly,when you are driving your car,remember that a cyclist is vulnerable as they are not protected by a metal cage nor have seatbelts or airbags! So use common sense and don't drive like you're the only person on the road. Three very simple things to make people feel and be safer, bet none of them happen though. (Ftfy joncook). Meehir

5:25pm Thu 27 Feb 14

joncook says...

Meehir wrote:
The answer is very simple. Firstly,any person wanting to drive on the road should have to pass a test,secondly,any driver using the road should have insurance and pay vehicle licence duty. Thirdly,when you are driving your car,remember that a cyclist is vulnerable as they are not protected by a metal cage nor have seatbelts or airbags! So use common sense and don't drive like you're the only person on the road.
Three very simple things to make people feel and be safer, bet none of them happen though. (Ftfy joncook).
We do have to pass a test, we do have to have insurance, we do have to pay vehicle licence duty.
You've clearly fallen off your bike one to many times as your point is utterly pointless.
[quote][p][bold]Meehir[/bold] wrote: The answer is very simple. Firstly,any person wanting to drive on the road should have to pass a test,secondly,any driver using the road should have insurance and pay vehicle licence duty. Thirdly,when you are driving your car,remember that a cyclist is vulnerable as they are not protected by a metal cage nor have seatbelts or airbags! So use common sense and don't drive like you're the only person on the road. Three very simple things to make people feel and be safer, bet none of them happen though. (Ftfy joncook).[/p][/quote]We do have to pass a test, we do have to have insurance, we do have to pay vehicle licence duty. You've clearly fallen off your bike one to many times as your point is utterly pointless. joncook

7:27pm Thu 27 Feb 14

Dr. Nick says...

Lol... Road Tax... Lol...

If you are going to be Trolls at least get it right - it's V.E.D. not Road Tax ... now go away and read what VED is for, then come back and Troll some more. There's a good set of Trolls.
Lol... Road Tax... Lol... If you are going to be Trolls at least get it right - it's V.E.D. not Road Tax ... now go away and read what VED is for, then come back and Troll some more. There's a good set of Trolls. Dr. Nick

8:01pm Thu 27 Feb 14

Dr. Nick says...

joncook wrote:
Meehir wrote:
The answer is very simple. Firstly,any person wanting to drive on the road should have to pass a test,secondly,any driver using the road should have insurance and pay vehicle licence duty. Thirdly,when you are driving your car,remember that a cyclist is vulnerable as they are not protected by a metal cage nor have seatbelts or airbags! So use common sense and don't drive like you're the only person on the road.
Three very simple things to make people feel and be safer, bet none of them happen though. (Ftfy joncook).
We do have to pass a test, we do have to have insurance, we do have to pay vehicle licence duty.
You've clearly fallen off your bike one to many times as your point is utterly pointless.
I guess the point that Meehir was making was this:- Those rules you set Joncook work both ways, with the focus being on your line...

"So use common sense and don't drive like you're the only person on the road."

Indeed, it does take two to tango. So actually far from utterly pointless, instead very poignant point, which sadly appears to have to be spelt-out several times for some road users.
[quote][p][bold]joncook[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Meehir[/bold] wrote: The answer is very simple. Firstly,any person wanting to drive on the road should have to pass a test,secondly,any driver using the road should have insurance and pay vehicle licence duty. Thirdly,when you are driving your car,remember that a cyclist is vulnerable as they are not protected by a metal cage nor have seatbelts or airbags! So use common sense and don't drive like you're the only person on the road. Three very simple things to make people feel and be safer, bet none of them happen though. (Ftfy joncook).[/p][/quote]We do have to pass a test, we do have to have insurance, we do have to pay vehicle licence duty. You've clearly fallen off your bike one to many times as your point is utterly pointless.[/p][/quote]I guess the point that Meehir was making was this:- Those rules you set Joncook work both ways, with the focus being on your line... "So use common sense and don't drive like you're the only person on the road." Indeed, it does take two to tango. So actually far from utterly pointless, instead very poignant point, which sadly appears to have to be spelt-out several times for some road users. Dr. Nick

11:09pm Thu 27 Feb 14

Oldchap says...

And I worry about crossing the road at a zebra crossing - if a cyclist is approaching I know they won't stop

Even at a light controlled crossing I've nearly been run down by a lycra clad person going through a red light screaming abuse at anyone who dares get in their way

But no test, no licence, no accountability
And I worry about crossing the road at a zebra crossing - if a cyclist is approaching I know they won't stop Even at a light controlled crossing I've nearly been run down by a lycra clad person going through a red light screaming abuse at anyone who dares get in their way But no test, no licence, no accountability Oldchap

11:25pm Thu 27 Feb 14

Dr. Nick says...

Oldchap wrote:
And I worry about crossing the road at a zebra crossing - if a cyclist is approaching I know they won't stop

Even at a light controlled crossing I've nearly been run down by a lycra clad person going through a red light screaming abuse at anyone who dares get in their way

But no test, no licence, no accountability
And you have never had a car driver drive over a zebra crossing as you were still crossing it? You can't tell me you never have, especially where the zebra is on the exit/entry to a roundabout. It appears to be a normal thing to do for lots of car, van and even some lorry drivers.

I personally have lost count of the number of times that has happened to me. The worst place for this to happen I find is the roundabout at the bottom of Gypsy Hill (Crystal Palace area) - what gets me the most about this offence is the blank-infront-stare drivers seem to adopt at the time. It appears to say "yes I did see you there, but if I stare straight on I can pretend you don't exist, so I cannot possibly be accused of almost running down a pedestrian." - Morons.

I still say it is Six of One and Half a Dozen of the other when it comes to the issue of cars and bikes on the road. The culprits take one side or the other every time this debate comes up... all very pointless - just like the Road Tax comments.
[quote][p][bold]Oldchap[/bold] wrote: And I worry about crossing the road at a zebra crossing - if a cyclist is approaching I know they won't stop Even at a light controlled crossing I've nearly been run down by a lycra clad person going through a red light screaming abuse at anyone who dares get in their way But no test, no licence, no accountability[/p][/quote]And you have never had a car driver drive over a zebra crossing as you were still crossing it? You can't tell me you never have, especially where the zebra is on the exit/entry to a roundabout. It appears to be a normal thing to do for lots of car, van and even some lorry drivers. I personally have lost count of the number of times that has happened to me. The worst place for this to happen I find is the roundabout at the bottom of Gypsy Hill (Crystal Palace area) - what gets me the most about this offence is the blank-infront-stare drivers seem to adopt at the time. It appears to say "yes I did see you there, but if I stare straight on I can pretend you don't exist, so I cannot possibly be accused of almost running down a pedestrian." - Morons. I still say it is Six of One and Half a Dozen of the other when it comes to the issue of cars and bikes on the road. The culprits take one side or the other every time this debate comes up... all very pointless - just like the Road Tax comments. Dr. Nick

8:25am Fri 28 Feb 14

joncook says...

Dr. Nick wrote:
joncook wrote:
Meehir wrote:
The answer is very simple. Firstly,any person wanting to drive on the road should have to pass a test,secondly,any driver using the road should have insurance and pay vehicle licence duty. Thirdly,when you are driving your car,remember that a cyclist is vulnerable as they are not protected by a metal cage nor have seatbelts or airbags! So use common sense and don't drive like you're the only person on the road.
Three very simple things to make people feel and be safer, bet none of them happen though. (Ftfy joncook).
We do have to pass a test, we do have to have insurance, we do have to pay vehicle licence duty.
You've clearly fallen off your bike one to many times as your point is utterly pointless.
I guess the point that Meehir was making was this:- Those rules you set Joncook work both ways, with the focus being on your line...

"So use common sense and don't drive like you're the only person on the road."

Indeed, it does take two to tango. So actually far from utterly pointless, instead very poignant point, which sadly appears to have to be spelt-out several times for some road users.
The very clear difference is that motorist DO have to abide by all the things I listed, of course you'll get people braking the law and not doing them but that's a whole new discussion. The fact is that cyclist have no accountability on the roads and so of course they will take advantage of that and misuse the roads. If cyclist were accountable and were required to have insurance and sit tests I guarantee you would see a change in their actions.
Before you start spouting off about trolls, of which I am certainly not one of, think more carefully about what you are saying, I am actually both a cyclist and a motorist so see this perfectly from both sides. Also 'Road Tax' is a commonly used term for V.E.D so save your breath on that one!
[quote][p][bold]Dr. Nick[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]joncook[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Meehir[/bold] wrote: The answer is very simple. Firstly,any person wanting to drive on the road should have to pass a test,secondly,any driver using the road should have insurance and pay vehicle licence duty. Thirdly,when you are driving your car,remember that a cyclist is vulnerable as they are not protected by a metal cage nor have seatbelts or airbags! So use common sense and don't drive like you're the only person on the road. Three very simple things to make people feel and be safer, bet none of them happen though. (Ftfy joncook).[/p][/quote]We do have to pass a test, we do have to have insurance, we do have to pay vehicle licence duty. You've clearly fallen off your bike one to many times as your point is utterly pointless.[/p][/quote]I guess the point that Meehir was making was this:- Those rules you set Joncook work both ways, with the focus being on your line... "So use common sense and don't drive like you're the only person on the road." Indeed, it does take two to tango. So actually far from utterly pointless, instead very poignant point, which sadly appears to have to be spelt-out several times for some road users.[/p][/quote]The very clear difference is that motorist DO have to abide by all the things I listed, of course you'll get people braking the law and not doing them but that's a whole new discussion. The fact is that cyclist have no accountability on the roads and so of course they will take advantage of that and misuse the roads. If cyclist were accountable and were required to have insurance and sit tests I guarantee you would see a change in their actions. Before you start spouting off about trolls, of which I am certainly not one of, think more carefully about what you are saying, I am actually both a cyclist and a motorist so see this perfectly from both sides. Also 'Road Tax' is a commonly used term for V.E.D so save your breath on that one! joncook

12:10pm Fri 28 Feb 14

Dr. Nick says...

joncook wrote:
Dr. Nick wrote:
joncook wrote:
Meehir wrote:
The answer is very simple. Firstly,any person wanting to drive on the road should have to pass a test,secondly,any driver using the road should have insurance and pay vehicle licence duty. Thirdly,when you are driving your car,remember that a cyclist is vulnerable as they are not protected by a metal cage nor have seatbelts or airbags! So use common sense and don't drive like you're the only person on the road.
Three very simple things to make people feel and be safer, bet none of them happen though. (Ftfy joncook).
We do have to pass a test, we do have to have insurance, we do have to pay vehicle licence duty.
You've clearly fallen off your bike one to many times as your point is utterly pointless.
I guess the point that Meehir was making was this:- Those rules you set Joncook work both ways, with the focus being on your line...

"So use common sense and don't drive like you're the only person on the road."

Indeed, it does take two to tango. So actually far from utterly pointless, instead very poignant point, which sadly appears to have to be spelt-out several times for some road users.
The very clear difference is that motorist DO have to abide by all the things I listed, of course you'll get people braking the law and not doing them but that's a whole new discussion. The fact is that cyclist have no accountability on the roads and so of course they will take advantage of that and misuse the roads. If cyclist were accountable and were required to have insurance and sit tests I guarantee you would see a change in their actions.
Before you start spouting off about trolls, of which I am certainly not one of, think more carefully about what you are saying, I am actually both a cyclist and a motorist so see this perfectly from both sides. Also 'Road Tax' is a commonly used term for V.E.D so save your breath on that one!
Strangely enough there is accountability for cyclists, firstly the highway code applies to all - that is motorists, cyclists and even pedestrians - there is a section for each one and -everyone- must read and know -all- sections. That is the rules/law of the road.

Next insurance: as I have stated the last few times when this keeps cropping up, you next to make the distinction between 'bloke on a bike' and 'cyclist' instead of using a sweeping blanket term. Most 'cyclists' do have insurance on their bikes as they are rather expensive bits of kit - they either gain this by being a club member, joining the CTC, or even just take it out or extend their home contents cover to cover the bike - this not only covers them for loss/damage, but also gives others someone to contact in the case of an accident etc. Now 'bloke-on-a-bike" may or may not have insurance; this is because he has a cheaper bike that may be covered by contents insurance if he has such a thing. I was behind a bloke-on-a-bike the other day in the Pettswood area - he was wearing all black, was on a dark bike, had no lights what so ever, was hugging the gutter line and swerving all over the place (I suspect he was drunk) - I however was lit up like a christmas tree on a light coloured bike wearing bright colours. It is these bloke-on-a-bike (BoaB) types who give everyone a bad name. It is common sense really to be seen and place yourself in the correct road position to be seen.

I too am a car user and it frightens me to see so many of these BoaB types around. Quite apart from if I hit one because I just couldn't see him and the fact that I will damage my car (which I value as equally as my bike), I really don't want to cause that much pain and terror to another living being (I know, I have been on the receiving end).

As I said before, it is Six of One, Half a dozen of the other when it comes to this topic - Not all cyclists are BAD, Not all drivers are BAD, Not all pedestrians are BAD; though for some reason people seem to just get a bee in their bonnet (spot the car pun!) when it comes to what they view as cyclists.... it is all rather silly really.

And yes I totally agree with you 'Road Tax' is the commonly misused term for VED - hence why I was laughing so much :o)
[quote][p][bold]joncook[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dr. Nick[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]joncook[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Meehir[/bold] wrote: The answer is very simple. Firstly,any person wanting to drive on the road should have to pass a test,secondly,any driver using the road should have insurance and pay vehicle licence duty. Thirdly,when you are driving your car,remember that a cyclist is vulnerable as they are not protected by a metal cage nor have seatbelts or airbags! So use common sense and don't drive like you're the only person on the road. Three very simple things to make people feel and be safer, bet none of them happen though. (Ftfy joncook).[/p][/quote]We do have to pass a test, we do have to have insurance, we do have to pay vehicle licence duty. You've clearly fallen off your bike one to many times as your point is utterly pointless.[/p][/quote]I guess the point that Meehir was making was this:- Those rules you set Joncook work both ways, with the focus being on your line... "So use common sense and don't drive like you're the only person on the road." Indeed, it does take two to tango. So actually far from utterly pointless, instead very poignant point, which sadly appears to have to be spelt-out several times for some road users.[/p][/quote]The very clear difference is that motorist DO have to abide by all the things I listed, of course you'll get people braking the law and not doing them but that's a whole new discussion. The fact is that cyclist have no accountability on the roads and so of course they will take advantage of that and misuse the roads. If cyclist were accountable and were required to have insurance and sit tests I guarantee you would see a change in their actions. Before you start spouting off about trolls, of which I am certainly not one of, think more carefully about what you are saying, I am actually both a cyclist and a motorist so see this perfectly from both sides. Also 'Road Tax' is a commonly used term for V.E.D so save your breath on that one![/p][/quote]Strangely enough there is accountability for cyclists, firstly the highway code applies to all - that is motorists, cyclists and even pedestrians - there is a section for each one and -everyone- must read and know -all- sections. That is the rules/law of the road. Next insurance: as I have stated the last few times when this keeps cropping up, you next to make the distinction between 'bloke on a bike' and 'cyclist' instead of using a sweeping blanket term. Most 'cyclists' do have insurance on their bikes as they are rather expensive bits of kit - they either gain this by being a club member, joining the CTC, or even just take it out or extend their home contents cover to cover the bike - this not only covers them for loss/damage, but also gives others someone to contact in the case of an accident etc. Now 'bloke-on-a-bike" may or may not have insurance; this is because he has a cheaper bike that may be covered by contents insurance if he has such a thing. I was behind a bloke-on-a-bike the other day in the Pettswood area - he was wearing all black, was on a dark bike, had no lights what so ever, was hugging the gutter line and swerving all over the place (I suspect he was drunk) - I however was lit up like a christmas tree on a light coloured bike wearing bright colours. It is these bloke-on-a-bike (BoaB) types who give everyone a bad name. It is common sense really to be seen and place yourself in the correct road position to be seen. I too am a car user and it frightens me to see so many of these BoaB types around. Quite apart from if I hit one because I just couldn't see him and the fact that I will damage my car (which I value as equally as my bike), I really don't want to cause that much pain and terror to another living being (I know, I have been on the receiving end). As I said before, it is Six of One, Half a dozen of the other when it comes to this topic - Not all cyclists are BAD, Not all drivers are BAD, Not all pedestrians are BAD; though for some reason people seem to just get a bee in their bonnet (spot the car pun!) when it comes to what they view as cyclists.... it is all rather silly really. And yes I totally agree with you 'Road Tax' is the commonly misused term for VED - hence why I was laughing so much :o) Dr. Nick

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