'We live in Greenwich not Deptford' - postcode petition started over low house prices and high insurance premiums

Deptford Creek - a new kind of postcode war (pic from Google Maps)

Deptford Creek - a new kind of postcode war (pic from Google Maps)

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SCORES of people want to be classed as Greenwich residents instead of Deptford - saying the SE8 postcode is driving up their insurance premiums and keeping down their house prices.

So far 67 people have signed the petition asking Royal Mail to give them an SE10 postcode.

Founder Dan Price wrote: "The border between Deptford and Greenwich runs along Watergate Street (crossing Creek Road).

"The border of the SE8/SE10 postcode runs along Deptford Creek. Citizens in this area are consistently effected by late/missing deliveries, higher insurance premiums etc.

"We all pay a higher rate of Council Tax to Greenwich, yet we are treated by the world as Deptford because of the power of the postcode."

Signatories have claimed they are being misrepresented, the postcode is confusing and it affects their credit ratings.

John Leo wrote: "Everything about the area is Greenwich, except the post code."

To view the petition visit change.org

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5:26pm Fri 21 Feb 14

Joelo says...

How absolutely ridiculous! I live in Thamesmead but as its still in Greenwich borough Can I have an SE10 postcode too?
No of course I cant, SE8 is and has always been Deptford, you cant change it just to make some more money on your property. When you bought it would have been cheaper because its in DEPTFORD!
How absolutely ridiculous! I live in Thamesmead but as its still in Greenwich borough Can I have an SE10 postcode too? No of course I cant, SE8 is and has always been Deptford, you cant change it just to make some more money on your property. When you bought it would have been cheaper because its in DEPTFORD! Joelo
  • Score: 61

9:17pm Fri 21 Feb 14

Marty1979 says...

So when buying houses there in Deptford, then when selling it becomes Greenwich. Why stop at that, isn't Blackheath "posher"?
So when buying houses there in Deptford, then when selling it becomes Greenwich. Why stop at that, isn't Blackheath "posher"? Marty1979
  • Score: 39

8:22am Sat 22 Feb 14

Jackytalks says...

SE8 Deptford SE10 Greenwich SE3 Blackheath SE13 Lewisham when you moved into SE8 you knew it was Deptford......Get Real Snobby
SE8 Deptford SE10 Greenwich SE3 Blackheath SE13 Lewisham when you moved into SE8 you knew it was Deptford......Get Real Snobby Jackytalks
  • Score: 40

12:45pm Sat 22 Feb 14

newcrosslad says...

Historically the boundary has surely been the actual Deptford Creek river? Anything to the west of this would be Deptford and to the east Greenwich. Local authority boundaries change over the years but the Post Office don't bother to change theirs, so what? It's all just technicalities.
At the end of the day, if you are closer to Deptford High street than Greenwich town centre then you are in Deptford!
Historically the boundary has surely been the actual Deptford Creek river? Anything to the west of this would be Deptford and to the east Greenwich. Local authority boundaries change over the years but the Post Office don't bother to change theirs, so what? It's all just technicalities. At the end of the day, if you are closer to Deptford High street than Greenwich town centre then you are in Deptford! newcrosslad
  • Score: 25

6:24pm Sat 22 Feb 14

Dan Price says...

Actually as confirmed by the royal mail, the postcode does not equate, nor have any bearing on the locality/area boundary. Our building is in fact in Greenwich by every determining factor and the complex is called Greenwich Creekside. Unfortunately whilst postcode has in fact no relevance to area, most of the world incorrectly understand it to which is what causes the issue.

The postcode boundary is the creek, however the council (the only people who have a say in boundaries) determine it as Watergate Street. We also live closer to Cutty Sark (the centre of Greenwich) than we do Deptford High Street. By any measure other than postcode, we live in Greenwich.
Actually as confirmed by the royal mail, the postcode does not equate, nor have any bearing on the locality/area boundary. Our building is in fact in Greenwich by every determining factor and the complex is called Greenwich Creekside. Unfortunately whilst postcode has in fact no relevance to area, most of the world incorrectly understand it to which is what causes the issue. The postcode boundary is the creek, however the council (the only people who have a say in boundaries) determine it as Watergate Street. We also live closer to Cutty Sark (the centre of Greenwich) than we do Deptford High Street. By any measure other than postcode, we live in Greenwich. Dan Price
  • Score: -45

11:52pm Sat 22 Feb 14

Joelo says...

The development is called Greenwich creekside simply so the developer could fool people in to thinking they were buying in Greenwich when Infact it's Deptford.
You'll find there is Greenwich heights in se18, that doesn't make it in Greenwich
The development is called Greenwich creekside simply so the developer could fool people in to thinking they were buying in Greenwich when Infact it's Deptford. You'll find there is Greenwich heights in se18, that doesn't make it in Greenwich Joelo
  • Score: 43

8:57pm Sun 23 Feb 14

sarfflondonbird says...

Vote Greenwich independence. Devolution from thy nearest neighbour......deptf
ord!
Vote Greenwich independence. Devolution from thy nearest neighbour......deptf ord! sarfflondonbird
  • Score: 9

9:40pm Sun 23 Feb 14

x-squi-x says...

'Everything about the area is Greenwich, except the post code."
couldn't help but laugh at this.

the 'low house price' didn't concern them when they bought it, only now when they wan't to sell it.
funny that..
perhaps if they do change it, they could charge them the difference? afterall.. they did buy a house in 'greenwich' didn't they
'Everything about the area is Greenwich, except the post code." couldn't help but laugh at this. the 'low house price' didn't concern them when they bought it, only now when they wan't to sell it. funny that.. perhaps if they do change it, they could charge them the difference? afterall.. they did buy a house in 'greenwich' didn't they x-squi-x
  • Score: 14

12:43pm Mon 24 Feb 14

j.j. says...

It's blatantly obvious that this is all about buying low as SE8 and selling high as SE10.

And the arguments are childish - almost on par with "Iive in a white house, so I should the president of the US". The post is late everywhere and insurance premiums are based on risk calculations using the full postcode - so if you live in the vicinity of a rough area your premiums will be high even if your postcode is SW7.
It's blatantly obvious that this is all about buying low as SE8 and selling high as SE10. And the arguments are childish - almost on par with "Iive in a white house, so I should the president of the US". The post is late everywhere and insurance premiums are based on risk calculations using the full postcode - so if you live in the vicinity of a rough area your premiums will be high even if your postcode is SW7. j.j.
  • Score: 17

12:56pm Mon 24 Feb 14

sarfflondonbird says...

j.j. wrote:
It's blatantly obvious that this is all about buying low as SE8 and selling high as SE10.

And the arguments are childish - almost on par with "Iive in a white house, so I should the president of the US". The post is late everywhere and insurance premiums are based on risk calculations using the full postcode - so if you live in the vicinity of a rough area your premiums will be high even if your postcode is SW7.
Are you using a touch of racism there? White house and president?Surely not.
[quote][p][bold]j.j.[/bold] wrote: It's blatantly obvious that this is all about buying low as SE8 and selling high as SE10. And the arguments are childish - almost on par with "Iive in a white house, so I should the president of the US". The post is late everywhere and insurance premiums are based on risk calculations using the full postcode - so if you live in the vicinity of a rough area your premiums will be high even if your postcode is SW7.[/p][/quote]Are you using a touch of racism there? White house and president?Surely not. sarfflondonbird
  • Score: -11

12:57pm Mon 24 Feb 14

sarfflondonbird says...

And what is wrong with Deptford? From what I hear it is an 'up and coming' area. It's not such a bad place as painted, there are worse.
And what is wrong with Deptford? From what I hear it is an 'up and coming' area. It's not such a bad place as painted, there are worse. sarfflondonbird
  • Score: 14

7:48am Tue 25 Feb 14

toriar says...

If your deliveries are going missing it might be because you're repeating to delivery drivers the estate agent bumpf about being 'in the heart of Greenwich' when you actually live in Deptford. Maybe if you gave the correct address...?

I feel like I'm kicking a puppy here. Estate agents have been describing flats as being in Greenwich when they're not for many, many years. That some people not only fail to see past that but continue to believe this even after moving in is actually quite worrying. I'm worried about you, Dan. I feel like I'm telling you that the Tooth Fairy isn't real, but, Dan...estate agents...they tell fibs. I'm sorry.

This area has a rich heritage. If you've actually bought a flat here I think you'd really profit by finding out something about the area which is now your home. I think it's a real shame you haven't done this yet, but hopefully this will spur you to find out more about the area. And then maybe you will learn to embrace living in Deptford!
If your deliveries are going missing it might be because you're repeating to delivery drivers the estate agent bumpf about being 'in the heart of Greenwich' when you actually live in Deptford. Maybe if you gave the correct address...? I feel like I'm kicking a puppy here. Estate agents have been describing flats as being in Greenwich when they're not for many, many years. That some people not only fail to see past that but continue to believe this even after moving in is actually quite worrying. I'm worried about you, Dan. I feel like I'm telling you that the Tooth Fairy isn't real, but, Dan...estate agents...they tell fibs. I'm sorry. This area has a rich heritage. If you've actually bought a flat here I think you'd really profit by finding out something about the area which is now your home. I think it's a real shame you haven't done this yet, but hopefully this will spur you to find out more about the area. And then maybe you will learn to embrace living in Deptford! toriar
  • Score: 20

11:22am Tue 25 Feb 14

j.j. says...

sarfflondonbird wrote:
j.j. wrote: It's blatantly obvious that this is all about buying low as SE8 and selling high as SE10. And the arguments are childish - almost on par with "Iive in a white house, so I should the president of the US". The post is late everywhere and insurance premiums are based on risk calculations using the full postcode - so if you live in the vicinity of a rough area your premiums will be high even if your postcode is SW7.
Are you using a touch of racism there? White house and president?Surely not.
Not at all. My point is that a child might say a silly thing like that (or that we need to have our post code changed becuse our mail often arrives late), regardless of the child's or the president's skin colour.
[quote][p][bold]sarfflondonbird[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]j.j.[/bold] wrote: It's blatantly obvious that this is all about buying low as SE8 and selling high as SE10. And the arguments are childish - almost on par with "Iive in a white house, so I should the president of the US". The post is late everywhere and insurance premiums are based on risk calculations using the full postcode - so if you live in the vicinity of a rough area your premiums will be high even if your postcode is SW7.[/p][/quote]Are you using a touch of racism there? White house and president?Surely not.[/p][/quote]Not at all. My point is that a child might say a silly thing like that (or that we need to have our post code changed becuse our mail often arrives late), regardless of the child's or the president's skin colour. j.j.
  • Score: -5

11:44am Tue 25 Feb 14

Gypo.Joe says...

Sounds like a bit of Gerrymandering to me.


THAnk yoU
Sounds like a bit of Gerrymandering to me. THAnk yoU Gypo.Joe
  • Score: -11

12:45pm Tue 25 Feb 14

goldenbroomboy says...

I remember an estate agent trying to convince me that an ex council property conversion in Mottingham was actually a two bedroom apartment in Chislehurst.
I remember an estate agent trying to convince me that an ex council property conversion in Mottingham was actually a two bedroom apartment in Chislehurst. goldenbroomboy
  • Score: 7

1:40pm Tue 25 Feb 14

Dan Price says...

People here are very much misinformed and of even greater concern, not willing to re-assess their opinions when presented with new information.

The boundary of Greenwich is Watergate street according to the council, the only authority with the ability to designate boundaries. Does anybody hear refute that?

The postcode boundary is at Deptford Creek. The post office has no bearing on residential boundaries and it's postcodes are for postal organisation only. This has been confirmed to me by the post office.

Unfortunately, if it wasn't for the majority of the country being as ignorant to this fact as those making the same assumptions on this forum, we wouldn't care about the postcode - we only care because people are ignorant to the act it has absolutely no bearing on area boundaries at all. Other than snide remarks I am yet to hear a logical argument for why (whilst postcodes are incorrectly assumed by most to be a determinant of area) we should not be SE10 when we are Greenwich. Claims that we want our property prices to go up, insurance premiums to go down etc are probably correct on the most part, should we be ashamed of wanting to improve these things?
People here are very much misinformed and of even greater concern, not willing to re-assess their opinions when presented with new information. The boundary of Greenwich is Watergate street according to the council, the only authority with the ability to designate boundaries. Does anybody hear refute that? The postcode boundary is at Deptford Creek. The post office has no bearing on residential boundaries and it's postcodes are for postal organisation only. This has been confirmed to me by the post office. Unfortunately, if it wasn't for the majority of the country being as ignorant to this fact as those making the same assumptions on this forum, we wouldn't care about the postcode - we only care because people are ignorant to the act it has absolutely no bearing on area boundaries at all. Other than snide remarks I am yet to hear a logical argument for why (whilst postcodes are incorrectly assumed by most to be a determinant of area) we should not be SE10 when we are Greenwich. Claims that we want our property prices to go up, insurance premiums to go down etc are probably correct on the most part, should we be ashamed of wanting to improve these things? Dan Price
  • Score: -28

2:34pm Tue 25 Feb 14

Joelo says...

Dan Price wrote:
People here are very much misinformed and of even greater concern, not willing to re-assess their opinions when presented with new information.

The boundary of Greenwich is Watergate street according to the council, the only authority with the ability to designate boundaries. Does anybody hear refute that?

The postcode boundary is at Deptford Creek. The post office has no bearing on residential boundaries and it's postcodes are for postal organisation only. This has been confirmed to me by the post office.

Unfortunately, if it wasn't for the majority of the country being as ignorant to this fact as those making the same assumptions on this forum, we wouldn't care about the postcode - we only care because people are ignorant to the act it has absolutely no bearing on area boundaries at all. Other than snide remarks I am yet to hear a logical argument for why (whilst postcodes are incorrectly assumed by most to be a determinant of area) we should not be SE10 when we are Greenwich. Claims that we want our property prices to go up, insurance premiums to go down etc are probably correct on the most part, should we be ashamed of wanting to improve these things?
The boundary of Greenwich borough is watergate street, not Greenwich itself. What you are saying then is that anyone living in Charlton, Woolwich, eltham, Thamesmead are all actually living in Greenwich and therefore entitled to an se10 postcode, it's ridiculous.

Especially Charlton, as it's bang next to se10 is everyone there able to get an Se10 postcode too?
[quote][p][bold]Dan Price[/bold] wrote: People here are very much misinformed and of even greater concern, not willing to re-assess their opinions when presented with new information. The boundary of Greenwich is Watergate street according to the council, the only authority with the ability to designate boundaries. Does anybody hear refute that? The postcode boundary is at Deptford Creek. The post office has no bearing on residential boundaries and it's postcodes are for postal organisation only. This has been confirmed to me by the post office. Unfortunately, if it wasn't for the majority of the country being as ignorant to this fact as those making the same assumptions on this forum, we wouldn't care about the postcode - we only care because people are ignorant to the act it has absolutely no bearing on area boundaries at all. Other than snide remarks I am yet to hear a logical argument for why (whilst postcodes are incorrectly assumed by most to be a determinant of area) we should not be SE10 when we are Greenwich. Claims that we want our property prices to go up, insurance premiums to go down etc are probably correct on the most part, should we be ashamed of wanting to improve these things?[/p][/quote]The boundary of Greenwich borough is watergate street, not Greenwich itself. What you are saying then is that anyone living in Charlton, Woolwich, eltham, Thamesmead are all actually living in Greenwich and therefore entitled to an se10 postcode, it's ridiculous. Especially Charlton, as it's bang next to se10 is everyone there able to get an Se10 postcode too? Joelo
  • Score: 19

8:16pm Tue 25 Feb 14

MrBee says...

My life savings says Dan Price ain't even from London.

So we have to change hundreds of years of a town's history cos some out of town yuppie wants to make a bit of extra bunce on his new build property and save face when telling people where he lives?

Sorry son, I've lived in this area for some time and I'm telling you now, you most definitely live in Deptford. And there's no shame in that, it's a decent area with a great and proud history.
My life savings says Dan Price ain't even from London. So we have to change hundreds of years of a town's history cos some out of town yuppie wants to make a bit of extra bunce on his new build property and save face when telling people where he lives? Sorry son, I've lived in this area for some time and I'm telling you now, you most definitely live in Deptford. And there's no shame in that, it's a decent area with a great and proud history. MrBee
  • Score: 30

9:06pm Tue 25 Feb 14

anon!! says...

To the 67 families who have trouble understanding they live in Deptford.. If your insurance is going up have you tried contacting the local police about crime in the area to see what you can be done? If your house prices are going down then I doubt you are alone no matter what area you live in. If your deliveries are always late, have you complained to Royal Mail? If your credit rating is low then have you paid your bills on time? What I am trying to say is don't blame Deptford for changes in society we ALL may have to deal with at some stage. How about you put as much effort into improving your area then trying to turn your back on it. And what about Deptford Green (called Deptford Green for a reason) and St Nicholas Church? It wouldn't be right to locate them as Greenwich. I don't understand what Dan Price means by 'being treated as Deptford'. I think that remark needs explaining. Services are strained everywhere, don't be so stuck up!!!
To the 67 families who have trouble understanding they live in Deptford.. If your insurance is going up have you tried contacting the local police about crime in the area to see what you can be done? If your house prices are going down then I doubt you are alone no matter what area you live in. If your deliveries are always late, have you complained to Royal Mail? If your credit rating is low then have you paid your bills on time? What I am trying to say is don't blame Deptford for changes in society we ALL may have to deal with at some stage. How about you put as much effort into improving your area then trying to turn your back on it. And what about Deptford Green (called Deptford Green for a reason) and St Nicholas Church? It wouldn't be right to locate them as Greenwich. I don't understand what Dan Price means by 'being treated as Deptford'. I think that remark needs explaining. Services are strained everywhere, don't be so stuck up!!! anon!!
  • Score: 20

9:10pm Tue 25 Feb 14

Marty1979 says...

goldenbroomboy wrote:
I remember an estate agent trying to convince me that an ex council property conversion in Mottingham was actually a two bedroom apartment in Chislehurst.
They often try that one - "North Chislehurst" = Mottingham

At least they've renamed the Ferrier Estate development Kidbooke Village, but I expect some would say it should be Blackheath
[quote][p][bold]goldenbroomboy[/bold] wrote: I remember an estate agent trying to convince me that an ex council property conversion in Mottingham was actually a two bedroom apartment in Chislehurst.[/p][/quote]They often try that one - "North Chislehurst" = Mottingham At least they've renamed the Ferrier Estate development Kidbooke Village, but I expect some would say it should be Blackheath Marty1979
  • Score: 8

10:40pm Tue 25 Feb 14

toriar says...

Yes, Dan, we all refute that. Everybody. Everyone in Greenwich, everyone in Deptford, everyone who can read a map. The boundary of the BOROUGH of Greenwich is Watergate Street. The boundary between Deptford and Greenwich is and always has been the Creek. You live in Deptford. Specifically you live in St. Nicholas Deptford, or Deptford Strand. Please google these names. Then reassess YOUR opinion.

You are making yourself look very silly. You need to learn a) local history b) simple geography and c) how to spell and punctuate before calling other people ignorant.
Yes, Dan, we all refute that. Everybody. Everyone in Greenwich, everyone in Deptford, everyone who can read a map. The boundary of the BOROUGH of Greenwich is Watergate Street. The boundary between Deptford and Greenwich is and always has been the Creek. You live in Deptford. Specifically you live in St. Nicholas Deptford, or Deptford Strand. Please google these names. Then reassess YOUR opinion. You are making yourself look very silly. You need to learn a) local history b) simple geography and c) how to spell and punctuate before calling other people ignorant. toriar
  • Score: 22

10:50pm Tue 25 Feb 14

toriar says...

Here you go, Dan, try reading this for starters: http://en.wikipedia.
org/wiki/Deptford_St
_Nicholas
St. Nicholas' Church has a lot of history; Christopher Marlowe is buried in the churchyard, with a memorial plaque on the wall. Derek Jarman's film version of 'Edward II' is being shown there on Friday. As I said - embrace the heritage and the culture of Deptford!
Here you go, Dan, try reading this for starters: http://en.wikipedia. org/wiki/Deptford_St _Nicholas St. Nicholas' Church has a lot of history; Christopher Marlowe is buried in the churchyard, with a memorial plaque on the wall. Derek Jarman's film version of 'Edward II' is being shown there on Friday. As I said - embrace the heritage and the culture of Deptford! toriar
  • Score: 12

8:17am Wed 26 Feb 14

toriar says...

This Wikipedia page might also be helpful for you, since your fundamental issue seems to be an inability to understand the difference between living in the Borough of Greenwich and living in the town of Greenwich. http://en.wikipedia.
org/wiki/List_of_dis
tricts_in_Greenwich The borough also includes, as well as Greenwich and St. Nicholas Deptford (the bit where you live), Charlton, most of Woolwich, Abbey Wood, part of Blackheath, Eltham, Horn Park, Kidbrooke, part of Lee, part of Mottingham, New Eltham, Plumstead, Shooters Hill and part of Thamesmead. None of these places are in Greenwich, either; they are in the +borough+ of Greenwich. You live in Deptford St. Nicholas SE8, which is in the Borough of Greenwich.

I'm not a local, either. (I'm assuming you're not; it seems a pretty safe assumption.) I only moved here in Autumn 2004, but when I did I tried to find out about where I live and visited lots of local places. I truly think it's a real, real shame that you haven't yet found out more about this area. It's a great place to live and has a fascinating history. I do hope you engage more with it in future, I really do.
This Wikipedia page might also be helpful for you, since your fundamental issue seems to be an inability to understand the difference between living in the Borough of Greenwich and living in the town of Greenwich. http://en.wikipedia. org/wiki/List_of_dis tricts_in_Greenwich The borough also includes, as well as Greenwich and St. Nicholas Deptford (the bit where you live), Charlton, most of Woolwich, Abbey Wood, part of Blackheath, Eltham, Horn Park, Kidbrooke, part of Lee, part of Mottingham, New Eltham, Plumstead, Shooters Hill and part of Thamesmead. None of these places are in Greenwich, either; they are in the +borough+ of Greenwich. You live in Deptford St. Nicholas SE8, which is in the Borough of Greenwich. I'm not a local, either. (I'm assuming you're not; it seems a pretty safe assumption.) I only moved here in Autumn 2004, but when I did I tried to find out about where I live and visited lots of local places. I truly think it's a real, real shame that you haven't yet found out more about this area. It's a great place to live and has a fascinating history. I do hope you engage more with it in future, I really do. toriar
  • Score: 12

9:41am Wed 26 Feb 14

Dan Price says...

Joelo wrote:
Dan Price wrote:
People here are very much misinformed and of even greater concern, not willing to re-assess their opinions when presented with new information.

The boundary of Greenwich is Watergate street according to the council, the only authority with the ability to designate boundaries. Does anybody hear refute that?

The postcode boundary is at Deptford Creek. The post office has no bearing on residential boundaries and it's postcodes are for postal organisation only. This has been confirmed to me by the post office.

Unfortunately, if it wasn't for the majority of the country being as ignorant to this fact as those making the same assumptions on this forum, we wouldn't care about the postcode - we only care because people are ignorant to the act it has absolutely no bearing on area boundaries at all. Other than snide remarks I am yet to hear a logical argument for why (whilst postcodes are incorrectly assumed by most to be a determinant of area) we should not be SE10 when we are Greenwich. Claims that we want our property prices to go up, insurance premiums to go down etc are probably correct on the most part, should we be ashamed of wanting to improve these things?
The boundary of Greenwich borough is watergate street, not Greenwich itself. What you are saying then is that anyone living in Charlton, Woolwich, eltham, Thamesmead are all actually living in Greenwich and therefore entitled to an se10 postcode, it's ridiculous.

Especially Charlton, as it's bang next to se10 is everyone there able to get an Se10 postcode too?
@Joleo

So what area do you consider us to live in then... if we go by your borders we are West Greenwich. I can see why you think this sounds like Deptford.

@MrBee

There are several great areas in london, in the UK and in the world. I'm not disputing that, nor that Deptford is one of them. I am simply disputing that by all tangible measures and definitions other than postcode, my property lies in Greenwich. Those who are arguing are simply questioning our motives rather than presenting any reasonable counter-arguments.

@anon!!

The crime is significantly higher over the border, which is the point. You don't have to be sherlock holmes to look around and see the differences in the areas. Yes I personally have had concert tickets delayed for a month, complained to royal mail and they refused to pay out because they delivered them in the end (the day after the concert). My statements have been well explained, before calling people names please re-read them.

@Tortiar

Speaking of making ourselves look pretty stupid... why don't you have a look at this wiki page depicting the areas of Greenwich. Which area do I live in... the only area with Greenwich in the name?!

http://en.wikipedia.
org/wiki/File:Greenw
ich-Ward-Map.PNG

People are also stating the well known "fact" that the creek is the dividing line between Greenwich and Deptford area (not borough) but nobody is yet to provide a source. I am reasonable and if someone provides a source from a respected authority of the modern age. I'll let you know now, the parish boundaries of ancient saints are not going to be considered as reasonable.
[quote][p][bold]Joelo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dan Price[/bold] wrote: People here are very much misinformed and of even greater concern, not willing to re-assess their opinions when presented with new information. The boundary of Greenwich is Watergate street according to the council, the only authority with the ability to designate boundaries. Does anybody hear refute that? The postcode boundary is at Deptford Creek. The post office has no bearing on residential boundaries and it's postcodes are for postal organisation only. This has been confirmed to me by the post office. Unfortunately, if it wasn't for the majority of the country being as ignorant to this fact as those making the same assumptions on this forum, we wouldn't care about the postcode - we only care because people are ignorant to the act it has absolutely no bearing on area boundaries at all. Other than snide remarks I am yet to hear a logical argument for why (whilst postcodes are incorrectly assumed by most to be a determinant of area) we should not be SE10 when we are Greenwich. Claims that we want our property prices to go up, insurance premiums to go down etc are probably correct on the most part, should we be ashamed of wanting to improve these things?[/p][/quote]The boundary of Greenwich borough is watergate street, not Greenwich itself. What you are saying then is that anyone living in Charlton, Woolwich, eltham, Thamesmead are all actually living in Greenwich and therefore entitled to an se10 postcode, it's ridiculous. Especially Charlton, as it's bang next to se10 is everyone there able to get an Se10 postcode too?[/p][/quote]@Joleo So what area do you consider us to live in then... if we go by your borders we are West Greenwich. I can see why you think this sounds like Deptford. @MrBee There are several great areas in london, in the UK and in the world. I'm not disputing that, nor that Deptford is one of them. I am simply disputing that by all tangible measures and definitions other than postcode, my property lies in Greenwich. Those who are arguing are simply questioning our motives rather than presenting any reasonable counter-arguments. @anon!! The crime is significantly higher over the border, which is the point. You don't have to be sherlock holmes to look around and see the differences in the areas. Yes I personally have had concert tickets delayed for a month, complained to royal mail and they refused to pay out because they delivered them in the end (the day after the concert). My statements have been well explained, before calling people names please re-read them. @Tortiar Speaking of making ourselves look pretty stupid... why don't you have a look at this wiki page depicting the areas of Greenwich. Which area do I live in... the only area with Greenwich in the name?! http://en.wikipedia. org/wiki/File:Greenw ich-Ward-Map.PNG People are also stating the well known "fact" that the creek is the dividing line between Greenwich and Deptford area (not borough) but nobody is yet to provide a source. I am reasonable and if someone provides a source from a respected authority of the modern age. I'll let you know now, the parish boundaries of ancient saints are not going to be considered as reasonable. Dan Price
  • Score: -15

10:32am Wed 26 Feb 14

skinnydan says...

Look mate, you live in greenwich borough, not in greenwich itself, end of story, i was born in deptford, it used to belong to the GLC, when they was disbanded deptford was split between greenwich council & lewisham council. you live in Deptford, end of story
Look mate, you live in greenwich borough, not in greenwich itself, end of story, i was born in deptford, it used to belong to the GLC, when they was disbanded deptford was split between greenwich council & lewisham council. you live in Deptford, end of story skinnydan
  • Score: 16

10:43am Wed 26 Feb 14

Joelo says...

@dan price
The area I consider you to live in is Deptford, because it is Deptford!
You have in my opinion not made any reasonable argument as to why this is not the case.

Recently on BBC London there was a similar case to forward to Royal Mail by residents of hounslow claiming they should be classed as Richmond, rightly so Royal Mail disputed this. Just as they will with you.
@dan price The area I consider you to live in is Deptford, because it is Deptford! You have in my opinion not made any reasonable argument as to why this is not the case. Recently on BBC London there was a similar case to forward to Royal Mail by residents of hounslow claiming they should be classed as Richmond, rightly so Royal Mail disputed this. Just as they will with you. Joelo
  • Score: 12

11:13am Wed 26 Feb 14

Dan Price says...

Both responses make my point. "look mate, this is how it is (without providing any reasonable evidence) end of".

If you look at Borough boundaries we're in Greenwich. If you look at area boundaries, we're in greenwich west. Please find a map, from a source that has any say on the matter which shows us to be in Deptford. Yes we are SE8, determined by the post office who admit they have nothing to do with boundaries, they just split up areas to make it easier for them.

This is like arguing science vs religion. Here are some facts, here are my sources. Response... yeah but we've always belived there was a god, not really sure why, but that is the way it is. If you want to engage in a debate please be prepared to bring reasonable points backed up by something other than, "we always considered it to be this because someone a long time ago told us it was and we never questioned it".

Being reasonable, I won't even say I am 100% right, what I will say is that nobody has provided me with any reasonable proof to suggest otherwise. If you do, I will welcome it.
Both responses make my point. "look mate, this is how it is (without providing any reasonable evidence) end of". If you look at Borough boundaries we're in Greenwich. If you look at area boundaries, we're in greenwich west. Please find a map, from a source that has any say on the matter which shows us to be in Deptford. Yes we are SE8, determined by the post office who admit they have nothing to do with boundaries, they just split up areas to make it easier for them. This is like arguing science vs religion. Here are some facts, here are my sources. Response... yeah but we've always belived there was a god, not really sure why, but that is the way it is. If you want to engage in a debate please be prepared to bring reasonable points backed up by something other than, "we always considered it to be this because someone a long time ago told us it was and we never questioned it". Being reasonable, I won't even say I am 100% right, what I will say is that nobody has provided me with any reasonable proof to suggest otherwise. If you do, I will welcome it. Dan Price
  • Score: -16

11:46am Wed 26 Feb 14

Daymo-se8 says...

You don't need proof Dan, it was and always has been Deptford long before you moved down here, get a grip, post is late all over Deptford, not just where you live but all of it.
The first ever dc power station was in Deptford and I bet u can still see it from your house, and the street is called Deptford green.
Deptford is full of history, maybe you should remove your head from your arse and research some of it.
If the toffs don't like it down in Deptford then leave!!!
Se8 & proud
You don't need proof Dan, it was and always has been Deptford long before you moved down here, get a grip, post is late all over Deptford, not just where you live but all of it. The first ever dc power station was in Deptford and I bet u can still see it from your house, and the street is called Deptford green. Deptford is full of history, maybe you should remove your head from your arse and research some of it. If the toffs don't like it down in Deptford then leave!!! Se8 & proud Daymo-se8
  • Score: 12

12:28pm Wed 26 Feb 14

anon!! says...

Dan when you say things like 'we are being treated as Deptford', you will come across as stuck up. I also think you may have a personal issue with Royal Mail, as in this day and age when everyone has a sat nav; I find it difficult to believe you have that much trouble with your post.

http://www.ucl.ac.uk
/urbanbuzz/downloads
/projects_09/Deptfor
d_Case_Study.pdf

Check out this map, page 9. Clearly states you live in Deptford in the borough of Greenwich.
Dan when you say things like 'we are being treated as Deptford', you will come across as stuck up. I also think you may have a personal issue with Royal Mail, as in this day and age when everyone has a sat nav; I find it difficult to believe you have that much trouble with your post. http://www.ucl.ac.uk /urbanbuzz/downloads /projects_09/Deptfor d_Case_Study.pdf Check out this map, page 9. Clearly states you live in Deptford in the borough of Greenwich. anon!!
  • Score: 10

12:35pm Wed 26 Feb 14

Dan Price says...

Responses with "you don't need proof" and "it always has been" disguised as logic don't get too far with me.

I have no problem with Deptford at all, and those who think I do seriously need to wipe those tears from their eyes and stop feeling insulted. What I am is simply a man who can read a map, spot discrepancies and apply logic. I have no time for "but 300 years ago there was a priest who said" or "before they restructured xyz 100 years ago". What I have time for is

This is the situation now.
These are the people who make the rules and this is what they say.
These are the criteria that matter and this is what they say.

All, and most importantly... with the sources of information. "My Dad's mate's ex girlfriend once heard a rumour that..." doesn't go very far with me or anyone with the ability to participate in a reasonable open debate. Motive for wanting a certain conclusion also doesn't change the facts behind them.
Responses with "you don't need proof" and "it always has been" disguised as logic don't get too far with me. I have no problem with Deptford at all, and those who think I do seriously need to wipe those tears from their eyes and stop feeling insulted. What I am is simply a man who can read a map, spot discrepancies and apply logic. I have no time for "but 300 years ago there was a priest who said" or "before they restructured xyz 100 years ago". What I have time for is This is the situation now. These are the people who make the rules and this is what they say. These are the criteria that matter and this is what they say. All, and most importantly... with the sources of information. "My Dad's mate's ex girlfriend once heard a rumour that..." doesn't go very far with me or anyone with the ability to participate in a reasonable open debate. Motive for wanting a certain conclusion also doesn't change the facts behind them. Dan Price
  • Score: -12

12:42pm Wed 26 Feb 14

Dan Price says...

anon!! wrote:
Dan when you say things like 'we are being treated as Deptford', you will come across as stuck up. I also think you may have a personal issue with Royal Mail, as in this day and age when everyone has a sat nav; I find it difficult to believe you have that much trouble with your post.

http://www.ucl.ac.uk

/urbanbuzz/downloads

/projects_09/Deptfor

d_Case_Study.pdf

Check out this map, page 9. Clearly states you live in Deptford in the borough of Greenwich.
I believe you have sent me a university project, which has copy and pasted a square map with no boundaries into it. Are you to have me (or anyone) believe that A) this counts as a source who matters, or B) that geographical boundaries in the UK are perfect squares?

Please find me a map (with boundaries) that shows my property listed as Deptford from a source with authority.
[quote][p][bold]anon!![/bold] wrote: Dan when you say things like 'we are being treated as Deptford', you will come across as stuck up. I also think you may have a personal issue with Royal Mail, as in this day and age when everyone has a sat nav; I find it difficult to believe you have that much trouble with your post. http://www.ucl.ac.uk /urbanbuzz/downloads /projects_09/Deptfor d_Case_Study.pdf Check out this map, page 9. Clearly states you live in Deptford in the borough of Greenwich.[/p][/quote]I believe you have sent me a university project, which has copy and pasted a square map with no boundaries into it. Are you to have me (or anyone) believe that A) this counts as a source who matters, or B) that geographical boundaries in the UK are perfect squares? Please find me a map (with boundaries) that shows my property listed as Deptford from a source with authority. Dan Price
  • Score: -10

12:53pm Wed 26 Feb 14

anon!! says...

A university project with sources and most probably marked by a professional. Accept it Dan, there is plenty of proof.
A university project with sources and most probably marked by a professional. Accept it Dan, there is plenty of proof. anon!!
  • Score: 7

12:55pm Wed 26 Feb 14

anon!! says...

Dan you say you can read a map. The pink line separates the areas, the purple separates the boroughs. lol
Dan you say you can read a map. The pink line separates the areas, the purple separates the boroughs. lol anon!!
  • Score: 7

1:00pm Wed 26 Feb 14

Dan Price says...

Marked by a professional, no written by one! Your faith in this leads me to believe you didn't go to university. I did, and a good one at that. I also know many of my projects (similar to this) received good grades and were started the night before, pulling whatever I could from the internet - much like you are now. All in all there are 2 main flaws with this evidence. 1, it is not particularly trustworthy. 2, they are not even backing you up. There is a map on the page, that doesn't claim to be a map of deptford, it is just a square map, that has some of deptford, in it somewhere. To illustrate how laughable your point is, the very same map you quote as a the definitive article to what is and isn't deptford... HAS GREENWICH STATION IN IT! Is this a how to guide of how to discredit yourself?!
Marked by a professional, no written by one! Your faith in this leads me to believe you didn't go to university. I did, and a good one at that. I also know many of my projects (similar to this) received good grades and were started the night before, pulling whatever I could from the internet - much like you are now. All in all there are 2 main flaws with this evidence. 1, it is not particularly trustworthy. 2, they are not even backing you up. There is a map on the page, that doesn't claim to be a map of deptford, it is just a square map, that has some of deptford, in it somewhere. To illustrate how laughable your point is, the very same map you quote as a the definitive article to what is and isn't deptford... HAS GREENWICH STATION IN IT! Is this a how to guide of how to discredit yourself?! Dan Price
  • Score: -16

1:03pm Wed 26 Feb 14

anon!! says...

If you did go to uni then you would know where to find the source of information in the referencing. Now now Dan, your starting to sound stuck up again. haha your outnumbered, accept it.
If you did go to uni then you would know where to find the source of information in the referencing. Now now Dan, your starting to sound stuck up again. haha your outnumbered, accept it. anon!!
  • Score: 11

1:11pm Wed 26 Feb 14

MrBee says...

Dan, your wilfull ignorance is staggering.

Probably a silly question, but if crime rates, insurance premium prices and property sell on profits are so important to you, would it not have been wise to investigate the area first?

You're in a incredibly small minority and becoming a local laughing stock. Insulting the natives doesn't help your cause.

You live in Deptford mate, stop trying to change that or convincing yourself otherwise.
Dan, your wilfull ignorance is staggering. Probably a silly question, but if crime rates, insurance premium prices and property sell on profits are so important to you, would it not have been wise to investigate the area first? You're in a incredibly small minority and becoming a local laughing stock. Insulting the natives doesn't help your cause. You live in Deptford mate, stop trying to change that or convincing yourself otherwise. MrBee
  • Score: 12

1:20pm Wed 26 Feb 14

Dan Price says...

anon!! wrote:
If you did go to uni then you would know where to find the source of information in the referencing. Now now Dan, your starting to sound stuck up again. haha your outnumbered, accept it.
@anon

What source... did you even read my response? Their source is irrelevant as they are not making the point you want them to. Is greenwich station in deptford?

@MrBee

I've never taken "the majority thinks that" to be a valid source of evidence. History dictates most progress is made by men who agree with me on this. Your question however is not silly at all. I am very happy with where I am, the crime rates etc. I wouldn't be happy living in what I consider to be deptford, with the crime rates etc. The only thing I am unhappy with is that The post office and their postcodes are assumed by most to be a solid method of grouping areas. This is lazy and inaccurate, a sentiment supported by the post office themselves. This is a quote from the Royal Mail in their correspondence with me.

"Postcode boundaries do not always mirror those of other institutions such as County Borders as these often change with County Council responsibility. On occasions, anomalies between postal, geographical and administrative boundaries will arise and this is one such occasion, but the prime concern of the postal address is the efficiency of the postal operation. The postcode was not designed to be a tool used by financial institutions to determine insurance premiums etc."

Even the post office are saying we're not deptford, it just doesn't suit their operational need to change it. What more do you need?
[quote][p][bold]anon!![/bold] wrote: If you did go to uni then you would know where to find the source of information in the referencing. Now now Dan, your starting to sound stuck up again. haha your outnumbered, accept it.[/p][/quote]@anon What source... did you even read my response? Their source is irrelevant as they are not making the point you want them to. Is greenwich station in deptford? @MrBee I've never taken "the majority thinks that" to be a valid source of evidence. History dictates most progress is made by men who agree with me on this. Your question however is not silly at all. I am very happy with where I am, the crime rates etc. I wouldn't be happy living in what I consider to be deptford, with the crime rates etc. The only thing I am unhappy with is that The post office and their postcodes are assumed by most to be a solid method of grouping areas. This is lazy and inaccurate, a sentiment supported by the post office themselves. This is a quote from the Royal Mail in their correspondence with me. "Postcode boundaries do not always mirror those of other institutions such as County Borders as these often change with County Council responsibility. On occasions, anomalies between postal, geographical and administrative boundaries will arise and this is one such occasion, but the prime concern of the postal address is the efficiency of the postal operation. The postcode was not designed to be a tool used by financial institutions to determine insurance premiums etc." Even the post office are saying we're not deptford, it just doesn't suit their operational need to change it. What more do you need? Dan Price
  • Score: -13

4:18pm Wed 26 Feb 14

gemmy says...

Dan Price wrote:
anon!! wrote:
If you did go to uni then you would know where to find the source of information in the referencing. Now now Dan, your starting to sound stuck up again. haha your outnumbered, accept it.
@anon

What source... did you even read my response? Their source is irrelevant as they are not making the point you want them to. Is greenwich station in deptford?

@MrBee

I've never taken "the majority thinks that" to be a valid source of evidence. History dictates most progress is made by men who agree with me on this. Your question however is not silly at all. I am very happy with where I am, the crime rates etc. I wouldn't be happy living in what I consider to be deptford, with the crime rates etc. The only thing I am unhappy with is that The post office and their postcodes are assumed by most to be a solid method of grouping areas. This is lazy and inaccurate, a sentiment supported by the post office themselves. This is a quote from the Royal Mail in their correspondence with me.

"Postcode boundaries do not always mirror those of other institutions such as County Borders as these often change with County Council responsibility. On occasions, anomalies between postal, geographical and administrative boundaries will arise and this is one such occasion, but the prime concern of the postal address is the efficiency of the postal operation. The postcode was not designed to be a tool used by financial institutions to determine insurance premiums etc."

Even the post office are saying we're not deptford, it just doesn't suit their operational need to change it. What more do you need?
I don't get how changing your postcode will improve your postal service. As for the claims about credit ratings, postcode has nothing to do with them.

I suggest putting time into something more worthwhile.
[quote][p][bold]Dan Price[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]anon!![/bold] wrote: If you did go to uni then you would know where to find the source of information in the referencing. Now now Dan, your starting to sound stuck up again. haha your outnumbered, accept it.[/p][/quote]@anon What source... did you even read my response? Their source is irrelevant as they are not making the point you want them to. Is greenwich station in deptford? @MrBee I've never taken "the majority thinks that" to be a valid source of evidence. History dictates most progress is made by men who agree with me on this. Your question however is not silly at all. I am very happy with where I am, the crime rates etc. I wouldn't be happy living in what I consider to be deptford, with the crime rates etc. The only thing I am unhappy with is that The post office and their postcodes are assumed by most to be a solid method of grouping areas. This is lazy and inaccurate, a sentiment supported by the post office themselves. This is a quote from the Royal Mail in their correspondence with me. "Postcode boundaries do not always mirror those of other institutions such as County Borders as these often change with County Council responsibility. On occasions, anomalies between postal, geographical and administrative boundaries will arise and this is one such occasion, but the prime concern of the postal address is the efficiency of the postal operation. The postcode was not designed to be a tool used by financial institutions to determine insurance premiums etc." Even the post office are saying we're not deptford, it just doesn't suit their operational need to change it. What more do you need?[/p][/quote]I don't get how changing your postcode will improve your postal service. As for the claims about credit ratings, postcode has nothing to do with them. I suggest putting time into something more worthwhile. gemmy
  • Score: 11

4:30pm Wed 26 Feb 14

Dan Price says...

@ Gemmy

To be fair, I set up a petition and posted it on a wall, it took me 10 minutes. What has taken me longer is debating with people who think their opinion constitutes fact (not directed at you). I do however admit I enjoy a debate, so it's no big deal. The postcode impacts upon insurance prices and house values mainly, however it seems to confuse a lot of people when I order things. I have had issues with Royal Mail although to be upfront, I can't comment if I would have had the same problems if we were SE10... it's something I can't possibly know.

Even if I said I wanted the SE10 postcode for property prices alone, or to tell my friends I live in SE10 alone - my motive should be irrelevant to any debate of objective fact. Perhaps I am simply tired of people saying I live in Deptford when I know that every boundary and tangible measure other than postcode (which is neither) suggests otherwise. My point is simply, people are offended by the motive, however it has no bearing on the objective fact.

The post office say it is Greenwich

Greenwich Council Says it is Greenwich.

If you argue the Borough is not the area, that is fair. But when you then look at area maps it is Greenwich West.
@ Gemmy To be fair, I set up a petition and posted it on a wall, it took me 10 minutes. What has taken me longer is debating with people who think their opinion constitutes fact (not directed at you). I do however admit I enjoy a debate, so it's no big deal. The postcode impacts upon insurance prices and house values mainly, however it seems to confuse a lot of people when I order things. I have had issues with Royal Mail although to be upfront, I can't comment if I would have had the same problems if we were SE10... it's something I can't possibly know. Even if I said I wanted the SE10 postcode for property prices alone, or to tell my friends I live in SE10 alone - my motive should be irrelevant to any debate of objective fact. Perhaps I am simply tired of people saying I live in Deptford when I know that every boundary and tangible measure other than postcode (which is neither) suggests otherwise. My point is simply, people are offended by the motive, however it has no bearing on the objective fact. The post office say it is Greenwich Greenwich Council Says it is Greenwich. If you argue the Borough is not the area, that is fair. But when you then look at area maps it is Greenwich West. Dan Price
  • Score: -11

4:46pm Wed 26 Feb 14

Joelo says...

Greenwich west is the name of the electoral ward! If that's all you're basing your argument on then you are more ignorant that you appear!

Peninsula ward, covers North Greenwich & some of Charlton Se7,
Plumstead ward covers some of Plumstead but also some of Abbey wood SE2, doesn't make all the address in that ward Plumstead!

You have not provided one reasonable point for your argument, maybe you need to look at the bigger picture.
Greenwich west is the name of the electoral ward! If that's all you're basing your argument on then you are more ignorant that you appear! Peninsula ward, covers North Greenwich & some of Charlton Se7, Plumstead ward covers some of Plumstead but also some of Abbey wood SE2, doesn't make all the address in that ward Plumstead! You have not provided one reasonable point for your argument, maybe you need to look at the bigger picture. Joelo
  • Score: 9

4:49pm Wed 26 Feb 14

gemmy says...

Dan Price wrote:
@ Gemmy

To be fair, I set up a petition and posted it on a wall, it took me 10 minutes. What has taken me longer is debating with people who think their opinion constitutes fact (not directed at you). I do however admit I enjoy a debate, so it's no big deal. The postcode impacts upon insurance prices and house values mainly, however it seems to confuse a lot of people when I order things. I have had issues with Royal Mail although to be upfront, I can't comment if I would have had the same problems if we were SE10... it's something I can't possibly know.

Even if I said I wanted the SE10 postcode for property prices alone, or to tell my friends I live in SE10 alone - my motive should be irrelevant to any debate of objective fact. Perhaps I am simply tired of people saying I live in Deptford when I know that every boundary and tangible measure other than postcode (which is neither) suggests otherwise. My point is simply, people are offended by the motive, however it has no bearing on the objective fact.

The post office say it is Greenwich

Greenwich Council Says it is Greenwich.

If you argue the Borough is not the area, that is fair. But when you then look at area maps it is Greenwich West.
Boundary lines don't always follow town names - just look at Thamesmead, it's in 2 boroughs. Can't you just say you live in Deptford to cause less confusion with the post?
[quote][p][bold]Dan Price[/bold] wrote: @ Gemmy To be fair, I set up a petition and posted it on a wall, it took me 10 minutes. What has taken me longer is debating with people who think their opinion constitutes fact (not directed at you). I do however admit I enjoy a debate, so it's no big deal. The postcode impacts upon insurance prices and house values mainly, however it seems to confuse a lot of people when I order things. I have had issues with Royal Mail although to be upfront, I can't comment if I would have had the same problems if we were SE10... it's something I can't possibly know. Even if I said I wanted the SE10 postcode for property prices alone, or to tell my friends I live in SE10 alone - my motive should be irrelevant to any debate of objective fact. Perhaps I am simply tired of people saying I live in Deptford when I know that every boundary and tangible measure other than postcode (which is neither) suggests otherwise. My point is simply, people are offended by the motive, however it has no bearing on the objective fact. The post office say it is Greenwich Greenwich Council Says it is Greenwich. If you argue the Borough is not the area, that is fair. But when you then look at area maps it is Greenwich West.[/p][/quote]Boundary lines don't always follow town names - just look at Thamesmead, it's in 2 boroughs. Can't you just say you live in Deptford to cause less confusion with the post? gemmy
  • Score: 7

6:02pm Wed 26 Feb 14

Dan Price says...

@ Joleo

I have not mentioned electoral roll once. Having made such assumptions I would question if you are one to be throwing out accusations of ignorance.

@ Gemmy

I rarely have to state deptford or greenwich on my post so it is not an issue of that.

My point to all is simply, every single "authority" (which does not include outdated word of mouth) supports my claim. In reality, the only one that should matter is that of the council. Unfortunately due to incorrect perceptions, the only one that does matter in this regard is the post office. Even more unfortunately the post office agree with my stance, however quite reasonably argue that their postcodes are for internal operational use and shouldn't be changed to fit in with the public's misguided perceptions. I actually agree with the post office on this, you shouldn't change something that works to fit with something that is broken... However judging by the response on this forum, it would seem the easier option of the two.
@ Joleo I have not mentioned electoral roll once. Having made such assumptions I would question if you are one to be throwing out accusations of ignorance. @ Gemmy I rarely have to state deptford or greenwich on my post so it is not an issue of that. My point to all is simply, every single "authority" (which does not include outdated word of mouth) supports my claim. In reality, the only one that should matter is that of the council. Unfortunately due to incorrect perceptions, the only one that does matter in this regard is the post office. Even more unfortunately the post office agree with my stance, however quite reasonably argue that their postcodes are for internal operational use and shouldn't be changed to fit in with the public's misguided perceptions. I actually agree with the post office on this, you shouldn't change something that works to fit with something that is broken... However judging by the response on this forum, it would seem the easier option of the two. Dan Price
  • Score: -13

6:25pm Wed 26 Feb 14

Joelo says...

Dan Price wrote:
@ Joleo

I have not mentioned electoral roll once. Having made such assumptions I would question if you are one to be throwing out accusations of ignorance.

@ Gemmy

I rarely have to state deptford or greenwich on my post so it is not an issue of that.

My point to all is simply, every single "authority" (which does not include outdated word of mouth) supports my claim. In reality, the only one that should matter is that of the council. Unfortunately due to incorrect perceptions, the only one that does matter in this regard is the post office. Even more unfortunately the post office agree with my stance, however quite reasonably argue that their postcodes are for internal operational use and shouldn't be changed to fit in with the public's misguided perceptions. I actually agree with the post office on this, you shouldn't change something that works to fit with something that is broken... However judging by the response on this forum, it would seem the easier option of the two.
Neither did I? I said ward
[quote][p][bold]Dan Price[/bold] wrote: @ Joleo I have not mentioned electoral roll once. Having made such assumptions I would question if you are one to be throwing out accusations of ignorance. @ Gemmy I rarely have to state deptford or greenwich on my post so it is not an issue of that. My point to all is simply, every single "authority" (which does not include outdated word of mouth) supports my claim. In reality, the only one that should matter is that of the council. Unfortunately due to incorrect perceptions, the only one that does matter in this regard is the post office. Even more unfortunately the post office agree with my stance, however quite reasonably argue that their postcodes are for internal operational use and shouldn't be changed to fit in with the public's misguided perceptions. I actually agree with the post office on this, you shouldn't change something that works to fit with something that is broken... However judging by the response on this forum, it would seem the easier option of the two.[/p][/quote]Neither did I? I said ward Joelo
  • Score: 8

7:51pm Wed 26 Feb 14

anon!! says...

http://www.streetmap
.co.uk/map.srf?x=537
573&y=177454&z=0&sv=
SE8%203DZ&st=PostCod
e&lu=N&tl=~&ar=y&bi=
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hp=ids.srf
http://www.streetmap .co.uk/map.srf?x=537 573&y=177454&z=0&sv= SE8%203DZ&st=PostCod e&lu=N&tl=~&ar=y&bi= ~&mapp=map.srf&searc hp=ids.srf anon!!
  • Score: 5

8:29pm Wed 26 Feb 14

reasonable75 says...

Dan Price wrote:
Marked by a professional, no written by one! Your faith in this leads me to believe you didn't go to university. I did, and a good one at that. I also know many of my projects (similar to this) received good grades and were started the night before, pulling whatever I could from the internet - much like you are now. All in all there are 2 main flaws with this evidence. 1, it is not particularly trustworthy. 2, they are not even backing you up. There is a map on the page, that doesn't claim to be a map of deptford, it is just a square map, that has some of deptford, in it somewhere. To illustrate how laughable your point is, the very same map you quote as a the definitive article to what is and isn't deptford... HAS GREENWICH STATION IN IT! Is this a how to guide of how to discredit yourself?!
So which university did you got to - perhaps the University of Greenwich (previously known as Woolwich Polytechnic - hint...)

They also have a campus in Chatham - by your logic students there might ask for a SE10 postcode
[quote][p][bold]Dan Price[/bold] wrote: Marked by a professional, no written by one! Your faith in this leads me to believe you didn't go to university. I did, and a good one at that. I also know many of my projects (similar to this) received good grades and were started the night before, pulling whatever I could from the internet - much like you are now. All in all there are 2 main flaws with this evidence. 1, it is not particularly trustworthy. 2, they are not even backing you up. There is a map on the page, that doesn't claim to be a map of deptford, it is just a square map, that has some of deptford, in it somewhere. To illustrate how laughable your point is, the very same map you quote as a the definitive article to what is and isn't deptford... HAS GREENWICH STATION IN IT! Is this a how to guide of how to discredit yourself?![/p][/quote]So which university did you got to - perhaps the University of Greenwich (previously known as Woolwich Polytechnic - hint...) They also have a campus in Chatham - by your logic students there might ask for a SE10 postcode reasonable75
  • Score: 12

8:42pm Wed 26 Feb 14

anon!! says...

reasonable75 wrote:
Dan Price wrote:
Marked by a professional, no written by one! Your faith in this leads me to believe you didn't go to university. I did, and a good one at that. I also know many of my projects (similar to this) received good grades and were started the night before, pulling whatever I could from the internet - much like you are now. All in all there are 2 main flaws with this evidence. 1, it is not particularly trustworthy. 2, they are not even backing you up. There is a map on the page, that doesn't claim to be a map of deptford, it is just a square map, that has some of deptford, in it somewhere. To illustrate how laughable your point is, the very same map you quote as a the definitive article to what is and isn't deptford... HAS GREENWICH STATION IN IT! Is this a how to guide of how to discredit yourself?!
So which university did you got to - perhaps the University of Greenwich (previously known as Woolwich Polytechnic - hint...)

They also have a campus in Chatham - by your logic students there might ask for a SE10 postcode
Can't have been that good if they accepted your assignment you threw together the night before.
[quote][p][bold]reasonable75[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dan Price[/bold] wrote: Marked by a professional, no written by one! Your faith in this leads me to believe you didn't go to university. I did, and a good one at that. I also know many of my projects (similar to this) received good grades and were started the night before, pulling whatever I could from the internet - much like you are now. All in all there are 2 main flaws with this evidence. 1, it is not particularly trustworthy. 2, they are not even backing you up. There is a map on the page, that doesn't claim to be a map of deptford, it is just a square map, that has some of deptford, in it somewhere. To illustrate how laughable your point is, the very same map you quote as a the definitive article to what is and isn't deptford... HAS GREENWICH STATION IN IT! Is this a how to guide of how to discredit yourself?![/p][/quote]So which university did you got to - perhaps the University of Greenwich (previously known as Woolwich Polytechnic - hint...) They also have a campus in Chatham - by your logic students there might ask for a SE10 postcode[/p][/quote]Can't have been that good if they accepted your assignment you threw together the night before. anon!!
  • Score: 10

12:02am Thu 27 Feb 14

Dan Price says...

Actually I went to a Red Brick uni, after attending the top independent boys school in the country - where I learned how to construct an argument and seek out reasonable conclusions from genuine evidence. Some can just get away with competent work with little effort... and as this debate shows, some can't.
Actually I went to a Red Brick uni, after attending the top independent boys school in the country - where I learned how to construct an argument and seek out reasonable conclusions from genuine evidence. Some can just get away with competent work with little effort... and as this debate shows, some can't. Dan Price
  • Score: -20

10:22am Thu 27 Feb 14

the wall says...

Dan Price wrote:
Actually I went to a Red Brick uni, after attending the top independent boys school in the country - where I learned how to construct an argument and seek out reasonable conclusions from genuine evidence. Some can just get away with competent work with little effort... and as this debate shows, some can't.
You're not that bright if you have bought property in the wrong postcode.

you didn't go to university. I did.......Go you! So in your mind you think you are so much better than people that didn't go. Must be hard carrying that chip around with you. So did university give you increased sense of self-importance? Going to university has nothing to do with IQ, just shows your ability to behave like a parrot! You do know that here on the interweb we're all anonymous so credentials count for squat. Do you thinking an internetiverse debate counts for anything in life? Are you high fiving yourself?
Did you join the:
Cambridge
University
Netball
Team?

One day son, maybe, you'll realise what a twunt you are...like the rest of us do.
[quote][p][bold]Dan Price[/bold] wrote: Actually I went to a Red Brick uni, after attending the top independent boys school in the country - where I learned how to construct an argument and seek out reasonable conclusions from genuine evidence. Some can just get away with competent work with little effort... and as this debate shows, some can't.[/p][/quote]You're not that bright if you have bought property in the wrong postcode. you didn't go to university. I did.......Go you! So in your mind you think you are so much better than people that didn't go. Must be hard carrying that chip around with you. So did university give you increased sense of self-importance? Going to university has nothing to do with IQ, just shows your ability to behave like a parrot! You do know that here on the interweb we're all anonymous so credentials count for squat. Do you thinking an internetiverse debate counts for anything in life? Are you high fiving yourself? Did you join the: Cambridge University Netball Team? One day son, maybe, you'll realise what a twunt you are...like the rest of us do. the wall
  • Score: 22

11:47am Thu 27 Feb 14

Gypo.Joe says...

Dan you should change your name to 'Half Price' son, Wall just owned you boi.
Dan you should change your name to 'Half Price' son, Wall just owned you boi. Gypo.Joe
  • Score: 18

3:01pm Thu 27 Feb 14

Marty1979 says...

Dan Price wrote:
Actually I went to a Red Brick uni, after attending the top independent boys school in the country - where I learned how to construct an argument and seek out reasonable conclusions from genuine evidence. Some can just get away with competent work with little effort... and as this debate shows, some can't.
Top independent boys school in the country, then red brick uni

So why did you move to Deptford?
[quote][p][bold]Dan Price[/bold] wrote: Actually I went to a Red Brick uni, after attending the top independent boys school in the country - where I learned how to construct an argument and seek out reasonable conclusions from genuine evidence. Some can just get away with competent work with little effort... and as this debate shows, some can't.[/p][/quote]Top independent boys school in the country, then red brick uni So why did you move to Deptford? Marty1979
  • Score: 14

3:49pm Thu 27 Feb 14

the wall says...

Marty1979 wrote:
Dan Price wrote:
Actually I went to a Red Brick uni, after attending the top independent boys school in the country - where I learned how to construct an argument and seek out reasonable conclusions from genuine evidence. Some can just get away with competent work with little effort... and as this debate shows, some can't.
Top independent boys school in the country, then red brick uni

So why did you move to Deptford?
You know you read about those people who move to a lovely old English village, then campaign to get the church bells stopped even thou they have played for 300 years. Or the when someone move into a property near a pub and then want the pub shut............ That the same as Dan Half Price.
[quote][p][bold]Marty1979[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dan Price[/bold] wrote: Actually I went to a Red Brick uni, after attending the top independent boys school in the country - where I learned how to construct an argument and seek out reasonable conclusions from genuine evidence. Some can just get away with competent work with little effort... and as this debate shows, some can't.[/p][/quote]Top independent boys school in the country, then red brick uni So why did you move to Deptford?[/p][/quote]You know you read about those people who move to a lovely old English village, then campaign to get the church bells stopped even thou they have played for 300 years. Or the when someone move into a property near a pub and then want the pub shut............ That the same as Dan Half Price. the wall
  • Score: 19

4:08pm Thu 27 Feb 14

Meehir says...

Dan, simple answer to your conundrum... Request that any correspondence be addressed to "Greenwich SE8".
Dan, simple answer to your conundrum... Request that any correspondence be addressed to "Greenwich SE8". Meehir
  • Score: 5

4:36pm Thu 27 Feb 14

DinoFish says...

Correct me if I'm wrong but weren't postcodes instroduced as cities got bigger and population density increased?.....and London was the first City to have postcodes?

But now 67 people have signed a petition to change just their postcode because their Amazon deliveries sometime go astray. Logic would dicatate that this is not a precedent that will be allowed.
Correct me if I'm wrong but weren't postcodes instroduced as cities got bigger and population density increased?.....and London was the first City to have postcodes? But now 67 people have signed a petition to change just their postcode because their Amazon deliveries sometime go astray. Logic would dicatate that this is not a precedent that will be allowed. DinoFish
  • Score: 8

7:52pm Thu 27 Feb 14

BainBer says...

I live in the same development as Dan. Unlike him I was well aware which postcode it was in when I bought and don't see why it needs to change. This entire petition is motivated by two things: greed and snobbery.

When he argues that they pay higher council tax in Greenwich that's a lie.The average Band D council tax in Greenwich is £1,287.63 and in Lewisham it's £1,363.35 so with his postcode he should actually be petitioning to be in Lewisham (which would also save him money swimming at the nearest swimming pool at Wavelengths)

On the subject of missing post: I've lived here a year, and not once have I had any deliveries go missing. I had to order in an entire 3 bedrooms worth of furniture so I'm amazed at his claim. Dan are you writing your address down correctly?

Also Dan don't boast about going to private school. It just shows your parents were wealthy and you are a snob. I actually went to one too (and also a red brick uni- aren't we cool!) and would never use it to prove I was intelligent.

Finally its just a postcode. You could say you lived in Nairobi all that you want it doesn't change the fact that. Deptford Creek is the border of Deptford and Greenwich and we live just west of it. It doesn't actually stop you from going into Greenwich though bar when the bridge is up- that does actually stop you sorry.
I live in the same development as Dan. Unlike him I was well aware which postcode it was in when I bought and don't see why it needs to change. This entire petition is motivated by two things: greed and snobbery. When he argues that they pay higher council tax in Greenwich that's a lie.The average Band D council tax in Greenwich is £1,287.63 and in Lewisham it's £1,363.35 so with his postcode he should actually be petitioning to be in Lewisham (which would also save him money swimming at the nearest swimming pool at Wavelengths) On the subject of missing post: I've lived here a year, and not once have I had any deliveries go missing. I had to order in an entire 3 bedrooms worth of furniture so I'm amazed at his claim. Dan are you writing your address down correctly? Also Dan don't boast about going to private school. It just shows your parents were wealthy and you are a snob. I actually went to one too (and also a red brick uni- aren't we cool!) and would never use it to prove I was intelligent. Finally its just a postcode. You could say you lived in Nairobi all that you want it doesn't change the fact that. Deptford Creek is the border of Deptford and Greenwich and we live just west of it. It doesn't actually stop you from going into Greenwich though bar when the bridge is up- that does actually stop you sorry. BainBer
  • Score: 22

8:30pm Thu 27 Feb 14

Oldchap says...

Dan Price wrote:
Actually I went to a Red Brick uni, after attending the top independent boys school in the country - where I learned how to construct an argument and seek out reasonable conclusions from genuine evidence. Some can just get away with competent work with little effort... and as this debate shows, some can't.
So having been at the top independent boys school in the country (courtesy of parents wealth?), then at a red brick university (more expense?), Dan moves to Deptford (taking advantage of the price) but now wants it to be categorised as Greenwich.

Have I got any of that wrong?

Now if the property was advertised as Greenwich then he would have a case for misrepresentation against the estate or letting agent. But if it was advertised as Deptford I can't see what the problem is
[quote][p][bold]Dan Price[/bold] wrote: Actually I went to a Red Brick uni, after attending the top independent boys school in the country - where I learned how to construct an argument and seek out reasonable conclusions from genuine evidence. Some can just get away with competent work with little effort... and as this debate shows, some can't.[/p][/quote]So having been at the top independent boys school in the country (courtesy of parents wealth?), then at a red brick university (more expense?), Dan moves to Deptford (taking advantage of the price) but now wants it to be categorised as Greenwich. Have I got any of that wrong? Now if the property was advertised as Greenwich then he would have a case for misrepresentation against the estate or letting agent. But if it was advertised as Deptford I can't see what the problem is Oldchap
  • Score: 11

9:34pm Thu 27 Feb 14

toomush2drink says...

Am i the only one who sees a quick profit ready to be made here ? Yep snap up some cheap deptfort property then start a campaign to get the postcode changed to the more profitable greenwich area.
Am i the only one who sees a quick profit ready to be made here ? Yep snap up some cheap deptfort property then start a campaign to get the postcode changed to the more profitable greenwich area. toomush2drink
  • Score: 11

11:06pm Thu 27 Feb 14

BainBer says...

Just realised I mangled my point about council tax. Basically Dan's argument seems to be that we pay Greenwich council tax but have a Deptford postcode so pay more but the figures show that to be a lie. Unless he wants to move to Wandsworth he won't find much cheaper than the band he's already in. Basically he's lying about us paying higher council tax.

Post- that's simply nonsense, The royal mail have no issues getting things to me nor my flatmates. Occasionally private companies have called me to verify my address but having lived in Bermondsey, Dalston and Camden I can honestly swear to you that this is an issue everywhere in London Dan and is no reason to change the postcode.

Insurance- if there is an effect its minimal as I haven't noticed it (but then I don't pretend to be in other post codes when getting quotes- better things to do). The fact that his other points are lies makes me think this is also nonsense.

House prices- I think Dan needs to understand the point of post codes. They are not designed to increase house prices. In his post on the Creekside facebook forum his first point regarding the change in postcodes was "I imagine an SE10 postcode would significantly add value to our properties". Sorry Dan but postcodes are to help the post office deliver letters and parcels more effectively.

I wish you guys could see his postings on the facebook forum. He says you have not made "reasonable counter arguments" and have "no reputable sources". Whilst the location of Deptford Creek and 500 years of history isn't enough for him he believes he needs to offer no evidence supporting his points on the council tax, post or the insurance (mainly as he has none)

In all seriousness- the problem is he doesn't understand the difference between Borough and postcodes. The Borough of Islington contains Finsbury Park yet no one in Finsbury Park says the live in Islington (Dan if you have friends there please don't use them as an example as they will literally be the only ones). Same with people in Creekside- we might pay council tax to Greenwich, and we might even feel that we Greenwich (I personally couldn't care) but we are not.
Just realised I mangled my point about council tax. Basically Dan's argument seems to be that we pay Greenwich council tax but have a Deptford postcode so pay more but the figures show that to be a lie. Unless he wants to move to Wandsworth he won't find much cheaper than the band he's already in. Basically he's lying about us paying higher council tax. Post- that's simply nonsense, The royal mail have no issues getting things to me nor my flatmates. Occasionally private companies have called me to verify my address but having lived in Bermondsey, Dalston and Camden I can honestly swear to you that this is an issue everywhere in London Dan and is no reason to change the postcode. Insurance- if there is an effect its minimal as I haven't noticed it (but then I don't pretend to be in other post codes when getting quotes- better things to do). The fact that his other points are lies makes me think this is also nonsense. House prices- I think Dan needs to understand the point of post codes. They are not designed to increase house prices. In his post on the Creekside facebook forum his first point regarding the change in postcodes was "I imagine an SE10 postcode would significantly add value to our properties". Sorry Dan but postcodes are to help the post office deliver letters and parcels more effectively. I wish you guys could see his postings on the facebook forum. He says you have not made "reasonable counter arguments" and have "no reputable sources". Whilst the location of Deptford Creek and 500 years of history isn't enough for him he believes he needs to offer no evidence supporting his points on the council tax, post or the insurance (mainly as he has none) In all seriousness- the problem is he doesn't understand the difference between Borough and postcodes. The Borough of Islington contains Finsbury Park yet no one in Finsbury Park says the live in Islington (Dan if you have friends there please don't use them as an example as they will literally be the only ones). Same with people in Creekside- we might pay council tax to Greenwich, and we might even feel that we Greenwich (I personally couldn't care) but we are not. BainBer
  • Score: 17

11:16pm Thu 27 Feb 14

Stop_Whining says...

BORING.
BORING. Stop_Whining
  • Score: 1

6:31am Fri 28 Feb 14

Oldchap says...

BainBer wrote:
Just realised I mangled my point about council tax. Basically Dan's argument seems to be that we pay Greenwich council tax but have a Deptford postcode so pay more but the figures show that to be a lie. Unless he wants to move to Wandsworth he won't find much cheaper than the band he's already in. Basically he's lying about us paying higher council tax.

Post- that's simply nonsense, The royal mail have no issues getting things to me nor my flatmates. Occasionally private companies have called me to verify my address but having lived in Bermondsey, Dalston and Camden I can honestly swear to you that this is an issue everywhere in London Dan and is no reason to change the postcode.

Insurance- if there is an effect its minimal as I haven't noticed it (but then I don't pretend to be in other post codes when getting quotes- better things to do). The fact that his other points are lies makes me think this is also nonsense.

House prices- I think Dan needs to understand the point of post codes. They are not designed to increase house prices. In his post on the Creekside facebook forum his first point regarding the change in postcodes was "I imagine an SE10 postcode would significantly add value to our properties". Sorry Dan but postcodes are to help the post office deliver letters and parcels more effectively.

I wish you guys could see his postings on the facebook forum. He says you have not made "reasonable counter arguments" and have "no reputable sources". Whilst the location of Deptford Creek and 500 years of history isn't enough for him he believes he needs to offer no evidence supporting his points on the council tax, post or the insurance (mainly as he has none)

In all seriousness- the problem is he doesn't understand the difference between Borough and postcodes. The Borough of Islington contains Finsbury Park yet no one in Finsbury Park says the live in Islington (Dan if you have friends there please don't use them as an example as they will literally be the only ones). Same with people in Creekside- we might pay council tax to Greenwich, and we might even feel that we Greenwich (I personally couldn't care) but we are not.
Just post link to Facebook page - we could all do with a good laugh
[quote][p][bold]BainBer[/bold] wrote: Just realised I mangled my point about council tax. Basically Dan's argument seems to be that we pay Greenwich council tax but have a Deptford postcode so pay more but the figures show that to be a lie. Unless he wants to move to Wandsworth he won't find much cheaper than the band he's already in. Basically he's lying about us paying higher council tax. Post- that's simply nonsense, The royal mail have no issues getting things to me nor my flatmates. Occasionally private companies have called me to verify my address but having lived in Bermondsey, Dalston and Camden I can honestly swear to you that this is an issue everywhere in London Dan and is no reason to change the postcode. Insurance- if there is an effect its minimal as I haven't noticed it (but then I don't pretend to be in other post codes when getting quotes- better things to do). The fact that his other points are lies makes me think this is also nonsense. House prices- I think Dan needs to understand the point of post codes. They are not designed to increase house prices. In his post on the Creekside facebook forum his first point regarding the change in postcodes was "I imagine an SE10 postcode would significantly add value to our properties". Sorry Dan but postcodes are to help the post office deliver letters and parcels more effectively. I wish you guys could see his postings on the facebook forum. He says you have not made "reasonable counter arguments" and have "no reputable sources". Whilst the location of Deptford Creek and 500 years of history isn't enough for him he believes he needs to offer no evidence supporting his points on the council tax, post or the insurance (mainly as he has none) In all seriousness- the problem is he doesn't understand the difference between Borough and postcodes. The Borough of Islington contains Finsbury Park yet no one in Finsbury Park says the live in Islington (Dan if you have friends there please don't use them as an example as they will literally be the only ones). Same with people in Creekside- we might pay council tax to Greenwich, and we might even feel that we Greenwich (I personally couldn't care) but we are not.[/p][/quote]Just post link to Facebook page - we could all do with a good laugh Oldchap
  • Score: 10

9:45am Fri 28 Feb 14

Dan Price says...

OK, So as a few of you are making assumptions let me straighten you all out.

Yes I went to the top independent boys school in the country, but courtesy of my parents wealth? Not at all. I am from a single parent, working class upbringing, something I am proud of. I was offered a full scholarship (which I think you will find takes care of the IQ remark too).

Chip on my shoulder because I went to a top uni? No not at all, personally, I didn't want to go, I considered it a waste of time when compared with 3 years of getting stuck in to work - I still do. Unfortunately all of the companies I wanted to work for considered a 2.1. in any degree, whether relevant to my field or not, a crucial determinant when choosing candidates. I personally still think uni is highly overrated in this regard but I don't make the rules of the game.

To the person in my building - again incorrect, and if you read up you would see this. I was aware of the postcode of the area long before I moved in. I was also aware that it was Greenwich long before I moved in. Finally I was also aware that postcodes were a completely irrelevant tool when it comes to area boundaries. I ididn't realise however that people, especially in London (incorrectly) assume postcodes are the total determinant of area, something that isn't commonplace in the rest of the country. You are however correct that the two council taxes are pretty similar in price, something I wasn't aware of and I did make an assumption there - hands up, my fault (see how easy that is people). Nonetheless if we are paying towards one pot, should we not be considered part of it regardless of whether it is more or less costly?

To all the rest of the people here who show no consistency, well done you. My points have been consistent throughout.

Who dictates area boundaries?
What do they say?
Is there a contradiction between them and postcode?
Why does this matter.
Why would I like it changed.

That was the structure of my argument. It was simply factual not personal. For those who have skin so thin that they take this as a highly offensive point, that I am claiming I am better than you because I live 100m down the road, you are not only wrong, but presumptuous and to be frank, You are the ones who have made a debate of objective fact personal through being whiny and presumptuous. I have never said that I was better than anyone on here because of where I live, however based upon the assumptions you make, the pettiness of your replies, the resorting to name calling when you run out of logical statements, the calling me stupid until you realise my CV dictates otherwise, you calling me pretentious when i defend myself from such claims (clearly I can't win here) etc. etc. you've made that point for me better than I could have made it myself.
OK, So as a few of you are making assumptions let me straighten you all out. Yes I went to the top independent boys school in the country, but courtesy of my parents wealth? Not at all. I am from a single parent, working class upbringing, something I am proud of. I was offered a full scholarship (which I think you will find takes care of the IQ remark too). Chip on my shoulder because I went to a top uni? No not at all, personally, I didn't want to go, I considered it a waste of time when compared with 3 years of getting stuck in to work - I still do. Unfortunately all of the companies I wanted to work for considered a 2.1. in any degree, whether relevant to my field or not, a crucial determinant when choosing candidates. I personally still think uni is highly overrated in this regard but I don't make the rules of the game. To the person in my building - again incorrect, and if you read up you would see this. I was aware of the postcode of the area long before I moved in. I was also aware that it was Greenwich long before I moved in. Finally I was also aware that postcodes were a completely irrelevant tool when it comes to area boundaries. I ididn't realise however that people, especially in London (incorrectly) assume postcodes are the total determinant of area, something that isn't commonplace in the rest of the country. You are however correct that the two council taxes are pretty similar in price, something I wasn't aware of and I did make an assumption there - hands up, my fault (see how easy that is people). Nonetheless if we are paying towards one pot, should we not be considered part of it regardless of whether it is more or less costly? To all the rest of the people here who show no consistency, well done you. My points have been consistent throughout. Who dictates area boundaries? What do they say? Is there a contradiction between them and postcode? Why does this matter. Why would I like it changed. That was the structure of my argument. It was simply factual not personal. For those who have skin so thin that they take this as a highly offensive point, that I am claiming I am better than you because I live 100m down the road, you are not only wrong, but presumptuous and to be frank, You are the ones who have made a debate of objective fact personal through being whiny and presumptuous. I have never said that I was better than anyone on here because of where I live, however based upon the assumptions you make, the pettiness of your replies, the resorting to name calling when you run out of logical statements, the calling me stupid until you realise my CV dictates otherwise, you calling me pretentious when i defend myself from such claims (clearly I can't win here) etc. etc. you've made that point for me better than I could have made it myself. Dan Price
  • Score: -19

10:19am Fri 28 Feb 14

Dan Price says...

BainBer wrote:
Just realised I mangled my point about council tax. Basically Dan's argument seems to be that we pay Greenwich council tax but have a Deptford postcode so pay more but the figures show that to be a lie. Unless he wants to move to Wandsworth he won't find much cheaper than the band he's already in. Basically he's lying about us paying higher council tax.

Post- that's simply nonsense, The royal mail have no issues getting things to me nor my flatmates. Occasionally private companies have called me to verify my address but having lived in Bermondsey, Dalston and Camden I can honestly swear to you that this is an issue everywhere in London Dan and is no reason to change the postcode.

Insurance- if there is an effect its minimal as I haven't noticed it (but then I don't pretend to be in other post codes when getting quotes- better things to do). The fact that his other points are lies makes me think this is also nonsense.

House prices- I think Dan needs to understand the point of post codes. They are not designed to increase house prices. In his post on the Creekside facebook forum his first point regarding the change in postcodes was "I imagine an SE10 postcode would significantly add value to our properties". Sorry Dan but postcodes are to help the post office deliver letters and parcels more effectively.

I wish you guys could see his postings on the facebook forum. He says you have not made "reasonable counter arguments" and have "no reputable sources". Whilst the location of Deptford Creek and 500 years of history isn't enough for him he believes he needs to offer no evidence supporting his points on the council tax, post or the insurance (mainly as he has none)

In all seriousness- the problem is he doesn't understand the difference between Borough and postcodes. The Borough of Islington contains Finsbury Park yet no one in Finsbury Park says the live in Islington (Dan if you have friends there please don't use them as an example as they will literally be the only ones). Same with people in Creekside- we might pay council tax to Greenwich, and we might even feel that we Greenwich (I personally couldn't care) but we are not.
Oh and old chap... if the property was advertised as greenwich I may have a point? remind me what our complex is called again? (Hint below)

www.greenwichcreeksi
de.com

And Bainber - I can point to landmarks in greenwich too. The hill in the park, should that signify some boundary simply because it is there? Or the history, do you know what that dictates? Not that the boundary was on the creek 500 years ago therefore it shall remain there until the end of time. But that the powers that be (council or equivalent) at the time set the boundary and it should be respected until changed by their successors - which it was. By your logic we should follow 17th century laws when they suit us and if we prefer to take the view of 100 years ago England still has the largest empire in the world. Get with the times, old facts are just that, old - and in this case outdated.
[quote][p][bold]BainBer[/bold] wrote: Just realised I mangled my point about council tax. Basically Dan's argument seems to be that we pay Greenwich council tax but have a Deptford postcode so pay more but the figures show that to be a lie. Unless he wants to move to Wandsworth he won't find much cheaper than the band he's already in. Basically he's lying about us paying higher council tax. Post- that's simply nonsense, The royal mail have no issues getting things to me nor my flatmates. Occasionally private companies have called me to verify my address but having lived in Bermondsey, Dalston and Camden I can honestly swear to you that this is an issue everywhere in London Dan and is no reason to change the postcode. Insurance- if there is an effect its minimal as I haven't noticed it (but then I don't pretend to be in other post codes when getting quotes- better things to do). The fact that his other points are lies makes me think this is also nonsense. House prices- I think Dan needs to understand the point of post codes. They are not designed to increase house prices. In his post on the Creekside facebook forum his first point regarding the change in postcodes was "I imagine an SE10 postcode would significantly add value to our properties". Sorry Dan but postcodes are to help the post office deliver letters and parcels more effectively. I wish you guys could see his postings on the facebook forum. He says you have not made "reasonable counter arguments" and have "no reputable sources". Whilst the location of Deptford Creek and 500 years of history isn't enough for him he believes he needs to offer no evidence supporting his points on the council tax, post or the insurance (mainly as he has none) In all seriousness- the problem is he doesn't understand the difference between Borough and postcodes. The Borough of Islington contains Finsbury Park yet no one in Finsbury Park says the live in Islington (Dan if you have friends there please don't use them as an example as they will literally be the only ones). Same with people in Creekside- we might pay council tax to Greenwich, and we might even feel that we Greenwich (I personally couldn't care) but we are not.[/p][/quote]Oh and old chap... if the property was advertised as greenwich I may have a point? remind me what our complex is called again? (Hint below) www.greenwichcreeksi de.com And Bainber - I can point to landmarks in greenwich too. The hill in the park, should that signify some boundary simply because it is there? Or the history, do you know what that dictates? Not that the boundary was on the creek 500 years ago therefore it shall remain there until the end of time. But that the powers that be (council or equivalent) at the time set the boundary and it should be respected until changed by their successors - which it was. By your logic we should follow 17th century laws when they suit us and if we prefer to take the view of 100 years ago England still has the largest empire in the world. Get with the times, old facts are just that, old - and in this case outdated. Dan Price
  • Score: -14

10:57am Fri 28 Feb 14

the wall says...

Dan Price wrote:
OK, So as a few of you are making assumptions let me straighten you all out.

Yes I went to the top independent boys school in the country, but courtesy of my parents wealth? Not at all. I am from a single parent, working class upbringing, something I am proud of. I was offered a full scholarship (which I think you will find takes care of the IQ remark too).

Chip on my shoulder because I went to a top uni? No not at all, personally, I didn't want to go, I considered it a waste of time when compared with 3 years of getting stuck in to work - I still do. Unfortunately all of the companies I wanted to work for considered a 2.1. in any degree, whether relevant to my field or not, a crucial determinant when choosing candidates. I personally still think uni is highly overrated in this regard but I don't make the rules of the game.

To the person in my building - again incorrect, and if you read up you would see this. I was aware of the postcode of the area long before I moved in. I was also aware that it was Greenwich long before I moved in. Finally I was also aware that postcodes were a completely irrelevant tool when it comes to area boundaries. I ididn't realise however that people, especially in London (incorrectly) assume postcodes are the total determinant of area, something that isn't commonplace in the rest of the country. You are however correct that the two council taxes are pretty similar in price, something I wasn't aware of and I did make an assumption there - hands up, my fault (see how easy that is people). Nonetheless if we are paying towards one pot, should we not be considered part of it regardless of whether it is more or less costly?

To all the rest of the people here who show no consistency, well done you. My points have been consistent throughout.

Who dictates area boundaries?
What do they say?
Is there a contradiction between them and postcode?
Why does this matter.
Why would I like it changed.

That was the structure of my argument. It was simply factual not personal. For those who have skin so thin that they take this as a highly offensive point, that I am claiming I am better than you because I live 100m down the road, you are not only wrong, but presumptuous and to be frank, You are the ones who have made a debate of objective fact personal through being whiny and presumptuous. I have never said that I was better than anyone on here because of where I live, however based upon the assumptions you make, the pettiness of your replies, the resorting to name calling when you run out of logical statements, the calling me stupid until you realise my CV dictates otherwise, you calling me pretentious when i defend myself from such claims (clearly I can't win here) etc. etc. you've made that point for me better than I could have made it myself.
Pick up your toys and have a day off mate, you're making yourself sound a right twunt.
[quote][p][bold]Dan Price[/bold] wrote: OK, So as a few of you are making assumptions let me straighten you all out. Yes I went to the top independent boys school in the country, but courtesy of my parents wealth? Not at all. I am from a single parent, working class upbringing, something I am proud of. I was offered a full scholarship (which I think you will find takes care of the IQ remark too). Chip on my shoulder because I went to a top uni? No not at all, personally, I didn't want to go, I considered it a waste of time when compared with 3 years of getting stuck in to work - I still do. Unfortunately all of the companies I wanted to work for considered a 2.1. in any degree, whether relevant to my field or not, a crucial determinant when choosing candidates. I personally still think uni is highly overrated in this regard but I don't make the rules of the game. To the person in my building - again incorrect, and if you read up you would see this. I was aware of the postcode of the area long before I moved in. I was also aware that it was Greenwich long before I moved in. Finally I was also aware that postcodes were a completely irrelevant tool when it comes to area boundaries. I ididn't realise however that people, especially in London (incorrectly) assume postcodes are the total determinant of area, something that isn't commonplace in the rest of the country. You are however correct that the two council taxes are pretty similar in price, something I wasn't aware of and I did make an assumption there - hands up, my fault (see how easy that is people). Nonetheless if we are paying towards one pot, should we not be considered part of it regardless of whether it is more or less costly? To all the rest of the people here who show no consistency, well done you. My points have been consistent throughout. Who dictates area boundaries? What do they say? Is there a contradiction between them and postcode? Why does this matter. Why would I like it changed. That was the structure of my argument. It was simply factual not personal. For those who have skin so thin that they take this as a highly offensive point, that I am claiming I am better than you because I live 100m down the road, you are not only wrong, but presumptuous and to be frank, You are the ones who have made a debate of objective fact personal through being whiny and presumptuous. I have never said that I was better than anyone on here because of where I live, however based upon the assumptions you make, the pettiness of your replies, the resorting to name calling when you run out of logical statements, the calling me stupid until you realise my CV dictates otherwise, you calling me pretentious when i defend myself from such claims (clearly I can't win here) etc. etc. you've made that point for me better than I could have made it myself.[/p][/quote]Pick up your toys and have a day off mate, you're making yourself sound a right twunt. the wall
  • Score: 17

1:41pm Fri 28 Feb 14

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  • Score: 5

2:15pm Fri 28 Feb 14

SmiddyPence says...

As you can see the development in question Greenwich Creekside (Grey Buildings on Right) is past the "Welcome to the (Royal Borough) Greenwich" Sign. That marks the boundary of Greenwich and Lewisham (thus Deptford)

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Territorial boundaries change over time. Do you head to Hong Kong on holiday and insist on using Sterling still? No, that time as past.

Dan is making a case based on the facts of where his taxes are paid and the current border markings. Yes, to a degree this look like a blatant case of feathering ones own nest. In the same way all those that are citing 500 year old borders look envious of those trying to get something for nothing.
As you can see the development in question Greenwich Creekside (Grey Buildings on Right) is past the "Welcome to the (Royal Borough) Greenwich" Sign. That marks the boundary of Greenwich and Lewisham (thus Deptford) https://www.google.c o.uk/maps/@51.48092, -0.021447,3a,75y,55. 85h,73.11t/data=!3m4 !1e1!3m2!1scIbaH_JPx LMPjNJx-EP4pQ!2e0 Territorial boundaries change over time. Do you head to Hong Kong on holiday and insist on using Sterling still? No, that time as past. Dan is making a case based on the facts of where his taxes are paid and the current border markings. Yes, to a degree this look like a blatant case of feathering ones own nest. In the same way all those that are citing 500 year old borders look envious of those trying to get something for nothing. SmiddyPence
  • Score: -9

3:37pm Sat 1 Mar 14

Oldchap says...

Dan Price wrote:
BainBer wrote:
Just realised I mangled my point about council tax. Basically Dan's argument seems to be that we pay Greenwich council tax but have a Deptford postcode so pay more but the figures show that to be a lie. Unless he wants to move to Wandsworth he won't find much cheaper than the band he's already in. Basically he's lying about us paying higher council tax.

Post- that's simply nonsense, The royal mail have no issues getting things to me nor my flatmates. Occasionally private companies have called me to verify my address but having lived in Bermondsey, Dalston and Camden I can honestly swear to you that this is an issue everywhere in London Dan and is no reason to change the postcode.

Insurance- if there is an effect its minimal as I haven't noticed it (but then I don't pretend to be in other post codes when getting quotes- better things to do). The fact that his other points are lies makes me think this is also nonsense.

House prices- I think Dan needs to understand the point of post codes. They are not designed to increase house prices. In his post on the Creekside facebook forum his first point regarding the change in postcodes was "I imagine an SE10 postcode would significantly add value to our properties". Sorry Dan but postcodes are to help the post office deliver letters and parcels more effectively.

I wish you guys could see his postings on the facebook forum. He says you have not made "reasonable counter arguments" and have "no reputable sources". Whilst the location of Deptford Creek and 500 years of history isn't enough for him he believes he needs to offer no evidence supporting his points on the council tax, post or the insurance (mainly as he has none)

In all seriousness- the problem is he doesn't understand the difference between Borough and postcodes. The Borough of Islington contains Finsbury Park yet no one in Finsbury Park says the live in Islington (Dan if you have friends there please don't use them as an example as they will literally be the only ones). Same with people in Creekside- we might pay council tax to Greenwich, and we might even feel that we Greenwich (I personally couldn't care) but we are not.
Oh and old chap... if the property was advertised as greenwich I may have a point? remind me what our complex is called again? (Hint below)

www.greenwichcreeksi

de.com

And Bainber - I can point to landmarks in greenwich too. The hill in the park, should that signify some boundary simply because it is there? Or the history, do you know what that dictates? Not that the boundary was on the creek 500 years ago therefore it shall remain there until the end of time. But that the powers that be (council or equivalent) at the time set the boundary and it should be respected until changed by their successors - which it was. By your logic we should follow 17th century laws when they suit us and if we prefer to take the view of 100 years ago England still has the largest empire in the world. Get with the times, old facts are just that, old - and in this case outdated.
As I commented, if it was advertised as Greenwich (estate agent speak) then surely you and the others in the development have a claim for misrepresentation

Or didn't you research the area before moving there?
[quote][p][bold]Dan Price[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BainBer[/bold] wrote: Just realised I mangled my point about council tax. Basically Dan's argument seems to be that we pay Greenwich council tax but have a Deptford postcode so pay more but the figures show that to be a lie. Unless he wants to move to Wandsworth he won't find much cheaper than the band he's already in. Basically he's lying about us paying higher council tax. Post- that's simply nonsense, The royal mail have no issues getting things to me nor my flatmates. Occasionally private companies have called me to verify my address but having lived in Bermondsey, Dalston and Camden I can honestly swear to you that this is an issue everywhere in London Dan and is no reason to change the postcode. Insurance- if there is an effect its minimal as I haven't noticed it (but then I don't pretend to be in other post codes when getting quotes- better things to do). The fact that his other points are lies makes me think this is also nonsense. House prices- I think Dan needs to understand the point of post codes. They are not designed to increase house prices. In his post on the Creekside facebook forum his first point regarding the change in postcodes was "I imagine an SE10 postcode would significantly add value to our properties". Sorry Dan but postcodes are to help the post office deliver letters and parcels more effectively. I wish you guys could see his postings on the facebook forum. He says you have not made "reasonable counter arguments" and have "no reputable sources". Whilst the location of Deptford Creek and 500 years of history isn't enough for him he believes he needs to offer no evidence supporting his points on the council tax, post or the insurance (mainly as he has none) In all seriousness- the problem is he doesn't understand the difference between Borough and postcodes. The Borough of Islington contains Finsbury Park yet no one in Finsbury Park says the live in Islington (Dan if you have friends there please don't use them as an example as they will literally be the only ones). Same with people in Creekside- we might pay council tax to Greenwich, and we might even feel that we Greenwich (I personally couldn't care) but we are not.[/p][/quote]Oh and old chap... if the property was advertised as greenwich I may have a point? remind me what our complex is called again? (Hint below) www.greenwichcreeksi de.com And Bainber - I can point to landmarks in greenwich too. The hill in the park, should that signify some boundary simply because it is there? Or the history, do you know what that dictates? Not that the boundary was on the creek 500 years ago therefore it shall remain there until the end of time. But that the powers that be (council or equivalent) at the time set the boundary and it should be respected until changed by their successors - which it was. By your logic we should follow 17th century laws when they suit us and if we prefer to take the view of 100 years ago England still has the largest empire in the world. Get with the times, old facts are just that, old - and in this case outdated.[/p][/quote]As I commented, if it was advertised as Greenwich (estate agent speak) then surely you and the others in the development have a claim for misrepresentation Or didn't you research the area before moving there? Oldchap
  • Score: 9

10:42am Sun 2 Mar 14

franksutton says...

BainBer wrote:
Just realised I mangled my point about council tax. Basically Dan's argument seems to be that we pay Greenwich council tax but have a Deptford postcode so pay more but the figures show that to be a lie. Unless he wants to move to Wandsworth he won't find much cheaper than the band he's already in. Basically he's lying about us paying higher council tax.

Post- that's simply nonsense, The royal mail have no issues getting things to me nor my flatmates. Occasionally private companies have called me to verify my address but having lived in Bermondsey, Dalston and Camden I can honestly swear to you that this is an issue everywhere in London Dan and is no reason to change the postcode.

Insurance- if there is an effect its minimal as I haven't noticed it (but then I don't pretend to be in other post codes when getting quotes- better things to do). The fact that his other points are lies makes me think this is also nonsense.

House prices- I think Dan needs to understand the point of post codes. They are not designed to increase house prices. In his post on the Creekside facebook forum his first point regarding the change in postcodes was "I imagine an SE10 postcode would significantly add value to our properties". Sorry Dan but postcodes are to help the post office deliver letters and parcels more effectively.

I wish you guys could see his postings on the facebook forum. He says you have not made "reasonable counter arguments" and have "no reputable sources". Whilst the location of Deptford Creek and 500 years of history isn't enough for him he believes he needs to offer no evidence supporting his points on the council tax, post or the insurance (mainly as he has none)

In all seriousness- the problem is he doesn't understand the difference between Borough and postcodes. The Borough of Islington contains Finsbury Park yet no one in Finsbury Park says the live in Islington (Dan if you have friends there please don't use them as an example as they will literally be the only ones). Same with people in Creekside- we might pay council tax to Greenwich, and we might even feel that we Greenwich (I personally couldn't care) but we are not.
Actually the facebook page might be enlightening - he obviously considers himself of a vastly superior intellect than NS readers (so why did be contact the paper)

Research is valuable - check details of petition that "scores of people" have signed (well 67 is 3 score, so technically correct) but of those how many actually live in the area??? HINT - a couple aren't even in the UK, doubt they know where Deptford (sorry Greenwich) actually is

Looks like he's got all his mates from the top boys school in the country & red brick uni to complete
[quote][p][bold]BainBer[/bold] wrote: Just realised I mangled my point about council tax. Basically Dan's argument seems to be that we pay Greenwich council tax but have a Deptford postcode so pay more but the figures show that to be a lie. Unless he wants to move to Wandsworth he won't find much cheaper than the band he's already in. Basically he's lying about us paying higher council tax. Post- that's simply nonsense, The royal mail have no issues getting things to me nor my flatmates. Occasionally private companies have called me to verify my address but having lived in Bermondsey, Dalston and Camden I can honestly swear to you that this is an issue everywhere in London Dan and is no reason to change the postcode. Insurance- if there is an effect its minimal as I haven't noticed it (but then I don't pretend to be in other post codes when getting quotes- better things to do). The fact that his other points are lies makes me think this is also nonsense. House prices- I think Dan needs to understand the point of post codes. They are not designed to increase house prices. In his post on the Creekside facebook forum his first point regarding the change in postcodes was "I imagine an SE10 postcode would significantly add value to our properties". Sorry Dan but postcodes are to help the post office deliver letters and parcels more effectively. I wish you guys could see his postings on the facebook forum. He says you have not made "reasonable counter arguments" and have "no reputable sources". Whilst the location of Deptford Creek and 500 years of history isn't enough for him he believes he needs to offer no evidence supporting his points on the council tax, post or the insurance (mainly as he has none) In all seriousness- the problem is he doesn't understand the difference between Borough and postcodes. The Borough of Islington contains Finsbury Park yet no one in Finsbury Park says the live in Islington (Dan if you have friends there please don't use them as an example as they will literally be the only ones). Same with people in Creekside- we might pay council tax to Greenwich, and we might even feel that we Greenwich (I personally couldn't care) but we are not.[/p][/quote]Actually the facebook page might be enlightening - he obviously considers himself of a vastly superior intellect than NS readers (so why did be contact the paper) Research is valuable - check details of petition that "scores of people" have signed (well 67 is 3 score, so technically correct) but of those how many actually live in the area??? HINT - a couple aren't even in the UK, doubt they know where Deptford (sorry Greenwich) actually is Looks like he's got all his mates from the top boys school in the country & red brick uni to complete franksutton
  • Score: 5

5:49pm Sun 2 Mar 14

Dan Price says...

Old Chap - we did research it, it is greenwich, there is no misrepresentation. If ti was advertised as SE10 creekside I'd see the point. 500 years ago it might not have been but I didn't purchase my new build flat then.

Frank Sutton - I didn't contact the paper, I'd never actually heard of it until someone posted the link on the Facebook wall. I've posted the petition two places, The facebook group of our building with around 200 members, and I sent a link to the complex over the road. That's 100% on incorrect assumptions, quite the achievement.
Old Chap - we did research it, it is greenwich, there is no misrepresentation. If ti was advertised as SE10 creekside I'd see the point. 500 years ago it might not have been but I didn't purchase my new build flat then. Frank Sutton - I didn't contact the paper, I'd never actually heard of it until someone posted the link on the Facebook wall. I've posted the petition two places, The facebook group of our building with around 200 members, and I sent a link to the complex over the road. That's 100% on incorrect assumptions, quite the achievement. Dan Price
  • Score: -6

8:02pm Sun 2 Mar 14

Downhamlad says...

You all might as well give up - no point in arguing with someone how has a superior IQ

But note he doesn't actually answer points, just replies attempting to justify his arguments

he might have posted the petition in two or three places covering over 200 people - how many residents have actually signed it. That's not that 67 in total, as a lot aren't in the development?
You all might as well give up - no point in arguing with someone how has a superior IQ But note he doesn't actually answer points, just replies attempting to justify his arguments he might have posted the petition in two or three places covering over 200 people - how many residents have actually signed it. That's not that 67 in total, as a lot aren't in the development? Downhamlad
  • Score: 3

9:00pm Sun 2 Mar 14

Dan Price says...

Downhamlad - which points didn't I answer? Set me a list of specific questions and I shall answer them all to the best of my ability. I can't vouch for who the signatories are as I didn't watch them do it, nor do I recognise all the names. I can merely make assumptions based upon where I have posted it, the likely reach and the feedback on the facebook group of all those who said they had signed it.
Downhamlad - which points didn't I answer? Set me a list of specific questions and I shall answer them all to the best of my ability. I can't vouch for who the signatories are as I didn't watch them do it, nor do I recognise all the names. I can merely make assumptions based upon where I have posted it, the likely reach and the feedback on the facebook group of all those who said they had signed it. Dan Price
  • Score: -7

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