Yet another fire at Waste4Fuel site in St Paul's Cray with wind adding to misery

News Shopper: Waste4Fuel was on fire again last night Waste4Fuel was on fire again last night

A FIRE has again hit the Waste4Fuel site in St Paul’s Cray with high winds adding to the problems.

Patricia Smith, of Bostall Road, said firefighters were at the Cornwall Drive plant just after 10pm last night.

While the 67-year-old also said there was an incident on Wednesday, with stormy weather causing fumes and debris to fly out into the local area.

She said: “There was lots of hard plastic blowing off the pile. They were missiles.

“It’s nonstop. It’s like a kettle boiling – there were fumes coming out. We had smoke all day.”

The resident added it was still smouldering this morning, February 17, likening the pile to a “waiting volcano”.

London Fire Brigade confirmed a unit from Sidcup and another from Orpington were sent to the scene after receiving a call at 9.39pm yesterday.

A spokeswoman said 10 tonnes of waste was affected by the fire and added crews left in the early hours of this morning.

The emergency follows numerous others at the waste disposal and collection unit, with well over 10 recorded over the past two years.

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11:55am Mon 17 Feb 14

Tonic says...

Just close it down! It's wasting too many resources.
Just close it down! It's wasting too many resources. Tonic

2:04pm Mon 17 Feb 14

Dr. Nick says...

After this many fires in one place in such a short space of time, nobody would be blamed for thinking money is exchanging hands to keep the place open... as has been said before; if this had happened elsewhere, the place would have been shut down immediately and their trading licence revoked - just why is this place so special?

Public Enquiry anyone?
After this many fires in one place in such a short space of time, nobody would be blamed for thinking money is exchanging hands to keep the place open... as has been said before; if this had happened elsewhere, the place would have been shut down immediately and their trading licence revoked - just why is this place so special? Public Enquiry anyone? Dr. Nick

2:48pm Mon 17 Feb 14

SidcupResident says...

Either someone at the Environment Agency or Bromley Council is getting a backhander or Bromley council are trying to turn the Waste4Fuel site into a tourist attraction by making it the country's largest rubbish mound.

Someone needs to start a petition.
Either someone at the Environment Agency or Bromley Council is getting a backhander or Bromley council are trying to turn the Waste4Fuel site into a tourist attraction by making it the country's largest rubbish mound. Someone needs to start a petition. SidcupResident

7:14pm Mon 17 Feb 14

danm5577 says...

There was a fire engine there at 5pm today. The smell around there is disgusting!
There was a fire engine there at 5pm today. The smell around there is disgusting! danm5577

11:31pm Mon 17 Feb 14

manbaker1968 says...

Fire crews still slogging on at 11pm. When will this madness end. Close the site and clear it. Send the company the bill for all of the wasted time!!
Fire crews still slogging on at 11pm. When will this madness end. Close the site and clear it. Send the company the bill for all of the wasted time!! manbaker1968

2:00am Tue 18 Feb 14

Not A Salmon says...

No, there must be some mistake, it can't be on fire again because there was a court order saying they had to remove all the combustible waste and they would never ignore that would they? I mean if they didn't comply with the court order, or with the rules and regulations governing the safe running of a waste site they'd receive harsh penalties wouldn't they?

(Just a tiny bit of sarcasm).

The smell is unpleasant on a good day, the sight is incredibly ugly, the mountain of rubbish isn't getting any smaller, the fire brigade keep having to attend, the authorities appear to do nothing but blame each other, is it any wonder that local residents are getting a bit cross?

Cue the reply from a digital media-savvy councillor saying "we are doing all we can, it's not up to us, we really sympathise with the residents (but we can't see it or smell it from where we live so it's not a priority)".
No, there must be some mistake, it can't be on fire again because there was a court order saying they had to remove all the combustible waste and they would never ignore that would they? I mean if they didn't comply with the court order, or with the rules and regulations governing the safe running of a waste site they'd receive harsh penalties wouldn't they? (Just a tiny bit of sarcasm). The smell is unpleasant on a good day, the sight is incredibly ugly, the mountain of rubbish isn't getting any smaller, the fire brigade keep having to attend, the authorities appear to do nothing but blame each other, is it any wonder that local residents are getting a bit cross? Cue the reply from a digital media-savvy councillor saying "we are doing all we can, it's not up to us, we really sympathise with the residents (but we can't see it or smell it from where we live so it's not a priority)". Not A Salmon

6:17am Tue 18 Feb 14

molsey says...

WASTE4FUEL, NINTH FIRE
ATT ROBIN FISK
Dear Mr Fisk, you have run 2 stories on the above, the first on Tuesday 26th Nov, and the second on Weds 27th Nov. Please review the comments in both stories and you will see I have spelt out the way to have the waste4Fuel yard closed down permanently by way of a DISCONTINUANCE ORDER. I obtained this solution from a good friend of mine who is a Planning Barrister from Chambers in the Temple, London.
At the time of writing neither Jo Johnson MP nor Cllr Colin Smith have replied to my posting/s. May I suggest you contact both of these Bromley officials to see if they are taking the DISCONTINUANCE ORDER route seriously and report their response in the NS.
Regards, Molsey
BY EMAIL 10.15AM MON 2ND DEC 2013

molsey says... 12.45pm Sat 30th Nov 13
AN OPEN LETTER TO COUNCILLOR COLIN SMITH

Dear Cllr Smith,

You have claimed and stated many things in your comments above, including that you and the Council has gone far beyond what it can control itself, I BEG TO DIFFER. You need have gone no further than your own Bromley Council Legal Department to find the LAW and the weapon in the Council's existing Enforcement Armoury that will deal with the Waste4Fuel fiasco once and for all. It is called a DISCONTINUANCE ORDER and I provide it below.

Discontinuance Orders
Section 102 of the Town and Country Planning Act 1990 enables a local planning
authority to make an order requiring that any use of land shall be discontinued, or
continued subject to conditions (s102(1)(a)), or that any buildings or works shall be
altered or removed (s102(1)(b)). An order may also grant planning permission for
development subject to conditions specified in the order.
An order under s102 can be made if the local planning authority is satisfied that it is
appropriate in the interests of the proper planning of the area (including the
interests of amenity and any present or future detriment to amenity). The decision
to make a discontinuance order must take account of the development plan and
other material considerations.
Discontinuance orders are made to deal with the use to which land is being put.
An order can discontinue any existing use of land (whether lawful or unlawful) or,
alternatively, can impose conditions on the continuance of a use of land. It may
also require any buildings or works to be altered or removed.
A claim for compensation may be made to the local planning authority under s115
of the Act if it is shown that a person having an interest in the land has suffered
damage in consequence of the order. Other persons may be entitled to
compensation in respect of disturbance in their enjoyment of the land or for
carrying out works in compliance with the order.
Unlike unopposed revocation and modification orders, discontinuance orders need
to be confirmed by the Secretary of State. He has power to modify the submitted
order, including power to grant planning permission or to modify the order’s grant
of planning permission. Before confirming an order, the Secretary of State must
provide an opportunity to be heard to any person on whom the order has been
served.

I trust now you will bring this to the attention of your Legal Dept and report back here that you have done so?

Molsey
WASTE4FUEL, NINTH FIRE ATT ROBIN FISK Dear Mr Fisk, you have run 2 stories on the above, the first on Tuesday 26th Nov, and the second on Weds 27th Nov. Please review the comments in both stories and you will see I have spelt out the way to have the waste4Fuel yard closed down permanently by way of a DISCONTINUANCE ORDER. I obtained this solution from a good friend of mine who is a Planning Barrister from Chambers in the Temple, London. At the time of writing neither Jo Johnson MP nor Cllr Colin Smith have replied to my posting/s. May I suggest you contact both of these Bromley officials to see if they are taking the DISCONTINUANCE ORDER route seriously and report their response in the NS. Regards, Molsey BY EMAIL 10.15AM MON 2ND DEC 2013 molsey says... 12.45pm Sat 30th Nov 13 AN OPEN LETTER TO COUNCILLOR COLIN SMITH Dear Cllr Smith, You have claimed and stated many things in your comments above, including that you and the Council has gone far beyond what it can control itself, I BEG TO DIFFER. You need have gone no further than your own Bromley Council Legal Department to find the LAW and the weapon in the Council's existing Enforcement Armoury that will deal with the Waste4Fuel fiasco once and for all. It is called a DISCONTINUANCE ORDER and I provide it below. Discontinuance Orders Section 102 of the Town and Country Planning Act 1990 enables a local planning authority to make an order requiring that any use of land shall be discontinued, or continued subject to conditions (s102(1)(a)), or that any buildings or works shall be altered or removed (s102(1)(b)). An order may also grant planning permission for development subject to conditions specified in the order. An order under s102 can be made if the local planning authority is satisfied that it is appropriate in the interests of the proper planning of the area (including the interests of amenity and any present or future detriment to amenity). The decision to make a discontinuance order must take account of the development plan and other material considerations. Discontinuance orders are made to deal with the use to which land is being put. An order can discontinue any existing use of land (whether lawful or unlawful) or, alternatively, can impose conditions on the continuance of a use of land. It may also require any buildings or works to be altered or removed. A claim for compensation may be made to the local planning authority under s115 of the Act if it is shown that a person having an interest in the land has suffered damage in consequence of the order. Other persons may be entitled to compensation in respect of disturbance in their enjoyment of the land or for carrying out works in compliance with the order. Unlike unopposed revocation and modification orders, discontinuance orders need to be confirmed by the Secretary of State. He has power to modify the submitted order, including power to grant planning permission or to modify the order’s grant of planning permission. Before confirming an order, the Secretary of State must provide an opportunity to be heard to any person on whom the order has been served. I trust now you will bring this to the attention of your Legal Dept and report back here that you have done so? Molsey molsey

8:32am Tue 18 Feb 14

local-Orpington-resident says...

The local residents also suffer with the water being cut off for lengths of time without notice as the Fire Brigade have to divert it to the fire!
The local residents also suffer with the water being cut off for lengths of time without notice as the Fire Brigade have to divert it to the fire! local-Orpington-resident

12:30pm Tue 18 Feb 14

tdlkent says...

I was going to correct the news report by saying that there was one fire engine present before 8.00 p.m. last night, but I see an earlier comment says it was there at 5.00. The smell was appalling, and could be detected when we arrived at our destination, Foots Cray Social Club. There are a lot of houses and flats in that area, so the residents there must suffer too.
I was going to correct the news report by saying that there was one fire engine present before 8.00 p.m. last night, but I see an earlier comment says it was there at 5.00. The smell was appalling, and could be detected when we arrived at our destination, Foots Cray Social Club. There are a lot of houses and flats in that area, so the residents there must suffer too. tdlkent

2:57pm Wed 19 Feb 14

flea_in_ear says...

SidcupResident wrote:
Either someone at the Environment Agency or Bromley Council is getting a backhander or Bromley council are trying to turn the Waste4Fuel site into a tourist attraction by making it the country's largest rubbish mound.

Someone needs to start a petition.
Well, they've got to put the flood water somewhere, haven't they?

I would have thought by now that a breach of an order might result in a brief custodial sentence.
[quote][p][bold]SidcupResident[/bold] wrote: Either someone at the Environment Agency or Bromley Council is getting a backhander or Bromley council are trying to turn the Waste4Fuel site into a tourist attraction by making it the country's largest rubbish mound. Someone needs to start a petition.[/p][/quote]Well, they've got to put the flood water somewhere, haven't they? I would have thought by now that a breach of an order might result in a brief custodial sentence. flea_in_ear

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