Council candidates call for action on 'unbelievable' Waste4Fuel fires

News Shopper: Council candidates call for action on 'unbelievable' Waste4Fuel fires Council candidates call for action on 'unbelievable' Waste4Fuel fires

COUNCIL candidates in Cray Valley have called for further action following last week’s Waste4Fuel blaze that saw 21 firefighters involved.

The Cray Valley Labour Action Team, who says it will see members fighting in May’s elections, declared it “unbelievable” another fire hit the site.

The recycling plant, in St Paul’s Cray, was found alight on Thursday morning – the tenth incident in the past year.

Now the council hopefuls are suggesting owners Waste4Fuel Ltd is breaching court orders issued in 2013 and are demanding more is done to prevent risks.

In a statement, the team said of the Cornwall Drive depot: “It does not appear that at least one of the orders, namely that 24 hour security (be) put in place to reduce the risk of any further fires at the site” has been carried out. 

“Strong action must be taken. The current situation is intolerable and residents deserve better from those who represent them.

“The Cray Valley Labour Action team will continue to speak out for the residents against the site and stand up for people.

“It is deplorable that the Crays are so neglected in the Bromley borough – we are not a dumping ground!”

The organisation said Bromley Council and the Environment Agency (EA) should be doing more to ensure fires don’t break out.

The EA said controllers have been visiting the site to assess the situation and added Waste4Fuel Ltd has until May 1 this year to clear all waste.

“The Environment Agency have been on site daily for the last two weeks checking compliance with the High Court Order (specifically waste volumes in and out) and this evidence will be used to inform the next regulatory steps.

“The Environment Agency continues to carry out regular site inspections, and work with London Fire and Emergency Planning Authority to reduce the environmental risk as much as possible.”

Last week residents were complaining of the fumes and described the recycling depot as “toxic”.

Maxine O’Connor, 67, who lives in nearby Sevenoaks Way, told the News Shopper at the time that the stench and sight was “disgraceful” and added the road is “running alive with rats”.

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7:28pm Mon 27 Jan 14

Gavinp says...

wonder how much they pay in business rates as there is obviously a lot of money changing hands some where in order for them to continue to function and its not on..................
....the fire service could be doing far more constructive things than messing around with a load of old crap thats caught on fire again....

Although saying that waldo road had a big fire as well recently yet no much was said about that and thats a "council run" site but think its privately viola or something
wonder how much they pay in business rates as there is obviously a lot of money changing hands some where in order for them to continue to function and its not on.................. ....the fire service could be doing far more constructive things than messing around with a load of old crap thats caught on fire again.... Although saying that waldo road had a big fire as well recently yet no much was said about that and thats a "council run" site but think its privately viola or something Gavinp

8:19pm Mon 27 Jan 14

flea_in_ear says...

This organisation has a Voluntary Arrangement, So if they owe business rates tax, is it in the council's interests to close them down any more quickly?

If this site was in Park Langley it would have been shut down by now.
This organisation has a Voluntary Arrangement, So if they owe business rates tax, is it in the council's interests to close them down any more quickly? If this site was in Park Langley it would have been shut down by now. flea_in_ear

10:03pm Mon 27 Jan 14

Petras says...

Whilst the headline says Council Candidates where does is substinate this claim. It doesn't. Labour don't yet have any candidates and I hear they are struggling to find any. Why do you say candidates and not name them.
Whilst the headline says Council Candidates where does is substinate this claim. It doesn't. Labour don't yet have any candidates and I hear they are struggling to find any. Why do you say candidates and not name them. Petras

6:22am Tue 28 Jan 14

flea_in_ear says...

Petras wrote:
Whilst the headline says Council Candidates where does is substinate this claim. It doesn't. Labour don't yet have any candidates and I hear they are struggling to find any. Why do you say candidates and not name them.
The LibDems were calling for closure of this site last year.
[quote][p][bold]Petras[/bold] wrote: Whilst the headline says Council Candidates where does is substinate this claim. It doesn't. Labour don't yet have any candidates and I hear they are struggling to find any. Why do you say candidates and not name them.[/p][/quote]The LibDems were calling for closure of this site last year. flea_in_ear

9:40am Tue 28 Jan 14

molsey says...

WASTE4FUEL, NINTH FIRE
ATT ROBIN FISK
Dear Mr Fisk, you have run 2 stories on the above, the first on Tuesday 26th Nov, and the second on Weds 27th Nov. Please review the comments in both stories and you will see I have spelt out the way to have the waste4Fuel yard closed down permanently by way of a DISCONTINUANCE ORDER. I obtained this solution from a good friend of mine who is a Planning Barrister from Chambers in the Temple, London.
At the time of writing neither Jo Johnson MP nor Cllr Colin Smith have replied to my posting/s. May I suggest you contact both of these Bromley officials to see if they are taking the DISCONTINUANCE ORDER route seriously and report their response in the NS.
Regards, Molsey
BY EMAIL 10.15AM MON 2ND DEC 2013

molsey says... 12.45pm Sat 30th Nov 13
AN OPEN LETTER TO COUNCILLOR COLIN SMITH

Dear Cllr Smith,

You have claimed and stated many things in your comments above, including that you and the Council has gone far beyond what it can control itself, I BEG TO DIFFER. You need have gone no further than your own Bromley Council Legal Department to find the LAW and the weapon in the Council's existing Enforcement Armoury that will deal with the Waste4Fuel fiasco once and for all. It is called a DISCONTINUANCE ORDER and I provide it below.

Discontinuance Orders
Section 102 of the Town and Country Planning Act 1990 enables a local planning
authority to make an order requiring that any use of land shall be discontinued, or
continued subject to conditions (s102(1)(a)), or that any buildings or works shall be
altered or removed (s102(1)(b)). An order may also grant planning permission for
development subject to conditions specified in the order.
An order under s102 can be made if the local planning authority is satisfied that it is
appropriate in the interests of the proper planning of the area (including the
interests of amenity and any present or future detriment to amenity). The decision
to make a discontinuance order must take account of the development plan and
other material considerations.
Discontinuance orders are made to deal with the use to which land is being put.
An order can discontinue any existing use of land (whether lawful or unlawful) or,
alternatively, can impose conditions on the continuance of a use of land. It may
also require any buildings or works to be altered or removed.
A claim for compensation may be made to the local planning authority under s115
of the Act if it is shown that a person having an interest in the land has suffered
damage in consequence of the order. Other persons may be entitled to
compensation in respect of disturbance in their enjoyment of the land or for
carrying out works in compliance with the order.
Unlike unopposed revocation and modification orders, discontinuance orders need
to be confirmed by the Secretary of State. He has power to modify the submitted
order, including power to grant planning permission or to modify the order’s grant
of planning permission. Before confirming an order, the Secretary of State must
provide an opportunity to be heard to any person on whom the order has been
served.

I trust now you will bring this to the attention of your Legal Dept and report back here that you have done so?

Molsey
WASTE4FUEL, NINTH FIRE ATT ROBIN FISK Dear Mr Fisk, you have run 2 stories on the above, the first on Tuesday 26th Nov, and the second on Weds 27th Nov. Please review the comments in both stories and you will see I have spelt out the way to have the waste4Fuel yard closed down permanently by way of a DISCONTINUANCE ORDER. I obtained this solution from a good friend of mine who is a Planning Barrister from Chambers in the Temple, London. At the time of writing neither Jo Johnson MP nor Cllr Colin Smith have replied to my posting/s. May I suggest you contact both of these Bromley officials to see if they are taking the DISCONTINUANCE ORDER route seriously and report their response in the NS. Regards, Molsey BY EMAIL 10.15AM MON 2ND DEC 2013 molsey says... 12.45pm Sat 30th Nov 13 AN OPEN LETTER TO COUNCILLOR COLIN SMITH Dear Cllr Smith, You have claimed and stated many things in your comments above, including that you and the Council has gone far beyond what it can control itself, I BEG TO DIFFER. You need have gone no further than your own Bromley Council Legal Department to find the LAW and the weapon in the Council's existing Enforcement Armoury that will deal with the Waste4Fuel fiasco once and for all. It is called a DISCONTINUANCE ORDER and I provide it below. Discontinuance Orders Section 102 of the Town and Country Planning Act 1990 enables a local planning authority to make an order requiring that any use of land shall be discontinued, or continued subject to conditions (s102(1)(a)), or that any buildings or works shall be altered or removed (s102(1)(b)). An order may also grant planning permission for development subject to conditions specified in the order. An order under s102 can be made if the local planning authority is satisfied that it is appropriate in the interests of the proper planning of the area (including the interests of amenity and any present or future detriment to amenity). The decision to make a discontinuance order must take account of the development plan and other material considerations. Discontinuance orders are made to deal with the use to which land is being put. An order can discontinue any existing use of land (whether lawful or unlawful) or, alternatively, can impose conditions on the continuance of a use of land. It may also require any buildings or works to be altered or removed. A claim for compensation may be made to the local planning authority under s115 of the Act if it is shown that a person having an interest in the land has suffered damage in consequence of the order. Other persons may be entitled to compensation in respect of disturbance in their enjoyment of the land or for carrying out works in compliance with the order. Unlike unopposed revocation and modification orders, discontinuance orders need to be confirmed by the Secretary of State. He has power to modify the submitted order, including power to grant planning permission or to modify the order’s grant of planning permission. Before confirming an order, the Secretary of State must provide an opportunity to be heard to any person on whom the order has been served. I trust now you will bring this to the attention of your Legal Dept and report back here that you have done so? Molsey molsey

10:01am Tue 28 Jan 14

The Fozziest of Bears says...

Petras wrote:
Whilst the headline says Council Candidates where does is substinate this claim. It doesn't. Labour don't yet have any candidates and I hear they are struggling to find any. Why do you say candidates and not name them.
This is exactly the kind of tactic that the existing councillors (who have failed) could try and pull to get re-elected.

This is a brilliant example of where elected representatives have failed the people that put them in office.

Get rid of the 2 MP's that represent the area, and the relevant local council members.

If there was a general election scheduled for THIS Spring, then you could bet your bottom dollar that the MP's and council members involved would be all over W4F site like Gestapo.

We have all seen reports of garden sheds being torn down because they are 6 inches too high, and other crazy planning decisions - BUT this is a constant safety and health hazard that gets totally ignored.

Use the power of the ballot box - elect one of the local residents to the council and Westminster.
[quote][p][bold]Petras[/bold] wrote: Whilst the headline says Council Candidates where does is substinate this claim. It doesn't. Labour don't yet have any candidates and I hear they are struggling to find any. Why do you say candidates and not name them.[/p][/quote]This is exactly the kind of tactic that the existing councillors (who have failed) could try and pull to get re-elected. This is a brilliant example of where elected representatives have failed the people that put them in office. Get rid of the 2 MP's that represent the area, and the relevant local council members. If there was a general election scheduled for THIS Spring, then you could bet your bottom dollar that the MP's and council members involved would be all over W4F site like Gestapo. We have all seen reports of garden sheds being torn down because they are 6 inches too high, and other crazy planning decisions - BUT this is a constant safety and health hazard that gets totally ignored. Use the power of the ballot box - elect one of the local residents to the council and Westminster. The Fozziest of Bears

12:33pm Tue 28 Jan 14

tdlkent says...

I wrote to Jo Johnson and asked him several pertinent questions about Waste4 Fuel and it's activities. I asked for example, where was this waste coming from ? Is it recycling ? If it is , where is it coming from ? Is it Bromley and Bexley's household recycling ? All of the questions have gone unanswered in his reply to me.
I wrote to Jo Johnson and asked him several pertinent questions about Waste4 Fuel and it's activities. I asked for example, where was this waste coming from ? Is it recycling ? If it is , where is it coming from ? Is it Bromley and Bexley's household recycling ? All of the questions have gone unanswered in his reply to me. tdlkent

9:11pm Tue 28 Jan 14

danm5577 says...

I suggest everyone reports this site on fixmystreet.
This will clog the council email address up with complaints!
I suggest everyone reports this site on fixmystreet. This will clog the council email address up with complaints! danm5577

11:11pm Tue 28 Jan 14

clairel069 says...

I predict there will be another fire very shortly. Came passed the site this evening and there was a machine sitting on top on the mountain of rubbish digging, with lots of steam coming off.
Shame nobody in authority bothers to monitor the out of hours activity!!
Isn't it time the council did something's constructive instead of rubbing scared that the owners will do a bunk and leave the rubbish to be cleared up by them instead. The taxpayers are already footing the bill, what difference would it make??
I predict there will be another fire very shortly. Came passed the site this evening and there was a machine sitting on top on the mountain of rubbish digging, with lots of steam coming off. Shame nobody in authority bothers to monitor the out of hours activity!! Isn't it time the council did something's constructive instead of rubbing scared that the owners will do a bunk and leave the rubbish to be cleared up by them instead. The taxpayers are already footing the bill, what difference would it make?? clairel069

11:12pm Tue 28 Jan 14

clairel069 says...

Running, not rubbing... oops
Running, not rubbing... oops clairel069

1:39am Wed 5 Feb 14

shazza1234 says...

There is over £3 million in rubbish at this site, who's going to clear it if the gates are closed? the owner wont so it will be left to the council and the tax payer!!!!
There is over £3 million in rubbish at this site, who's going to clear it if the gates are closed? the owner wont so it will be left to the council and the tax payer!!!! shazza1234

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