Burning Questions: Can you help end the debate and say whether Sidcup is in London or Kent?

News Shopper: Boris Johnson implied Sidcup is in London rather than Kent - but do you agree? Boris Johnson implied Sidcup is in London rather than Kent - but do you agree?

DURING his recent #askboris Twitter chat one of the more sane questions asked of the London Mayor was to “end the debate” and say whether Sidcup is in London or Kent.

Boris replied that “I have the honour of representing Sidcup”, implying the town is in London.

The debate didn’t go any further as attention was instead given to the Mayor's incorrect statement about Sidcup being where “Mick met Keith”.

So, let’s pick it up here and see if we can form a consensus on whether the town of Sidcup is indeed in London or Kent.

What’s your view? Do you think Sidcup’s postal address means it’s part of Kent or do you think its location within a London borough means it’s part of the capital? Do you live there – if so, where do you tell people you’re from?

What about other fringe towns in the News Shopper area such as Bromley, Chislehurst, Crayford or Welling – which of these places do you think fall within London and which are in Kent?

Where does the boundary between Greater London and Kent actually lie? Does it come down to who people pay their council tax to or are there other factors which determine whether somewhere might be in London rather than Kent or vice-versa?

Add your comments below.

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9:11am Tue 21 Jan 14

white rabbit9 says...

Kent, sidcup is in kent. I assumed that orpington was in london once the way some talk, but realized it was just the television programming kids that coming from London was cooler. I mean you get white folk talking like they are from Africa because they believe they are "cooooooooooooooool"
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Kent, sidcup is in kent. I assumed that orpington was in london once the way some talk, but realized it was just the television programming kids that coming from London was cooler. I mean you get white folk talking like they are from Africa because they believe they are "cooooooooooooooool" . white rabbit9

9:18am Tue 21 Jan 14

groompaul says...

It depends on your postcode if you have an SE or SW Postcode your in London, if you have a DA or BR postcode you are in Kent. Sidcup and Orpington have always been in Kent. Woolwich once was but now is in London. Boris Johnson and the Media can never get London and Kent right,
It depends on your postcode if you have an SE or SW Postcode your in London, if you have a DA or BR postcode you are in Kent. Sidcup and Orpington have always been in Kent. Woolwich once was but now is in London. Boris Johnson and the Media can never get London and Kent right, groompaul

9:18am Tue 21 Jan 14

LadyKay says...

Sidcup is in the London borough of bexley but officially a part of Kent. I'd call it Greater London. Bexley is a London borough but Sidcup has a dartford postcode making it Kent. It's borderline best of both.
Sidcup is in the London borough of bexley but officially a part of Kent. I'd call it Greater London. Bexley is a London borough but Sidcup has a dartford postcode making it Kent. It's borderline best of both. LadyKay

9:28am Tue 21 Jan 14

goldenbroomboy says...

Kent. OK Sidcup is not exactly a rural idyll but then neither is the Mangravet area of Maidstone.
Kent. OK Sidcup is not exactly a rural idyll but then neither is the Mangravet area of Maidstone. goldenbroomboy

9:31am Tue 21 Jan 14

highway warrior says...

Kent postcode, London Borough, inside the M25 therefore Greater London........

Lets just rename it Great Kentdonshire
Kent postcode, London Borough, inside the M25 therefore Greater London........ Lets just rename it Great Kentdonshire highway warrior

9:59am Tue 21 Jan 14

Petras says...

It's not a question of what you think it's a question if fact. Since 1965 Sidcup has been in London. That's the indisputable legal fact. The same as Bromley, Orpington and Croydon etc. Just because one minor body, the Royal Mail, are virtually half a century behind it's of no real significance.
It's not a question of what you think it's a question if fact. Since 1965 Sidcup has been in London. That's the indisputable legal fact. The same as Bromley, Orpington and Croydon etc. Just because one minor body, the Royal Mail, are virtually half a century behind it's of no real significance. Petras

10:35am Tue 21 Jan 14

MsChevious says...

What Petras said!! It's not a matter of opinion, it's in London!
What Petras said!! It's not a matter of opinion, it's in London! MsChevious

11:05am Tue 21 Jan 14

Gypo.Joe says...

Sidcup, yawnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn
nnnnnn !


nuff said !
Sidcup, yawnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn nnnnnn ! nuff said ! Gypo.Joe

12:10pm Tue 21 Jan 14

spamface says...

It's in Kent, but not proper Kent. The area should be called SelKent. :-)
It's in Kent, but not proper Kent. The area should be called SelKent. :-) spamface

12:58pm Tue 21 Jan 14

marc8888 says...

Actually, the Royal Mail couldn't care less.... they just use the postcodes, not counties.... no need to ever put a county on a letter, as their auto-sorters simply spot the postcodes and ignore counties unless no postcode is there.... So I see Bromley for instance as London - because it's a London borough and 020 phone prefix...
Actually, the Royal Mail couldn't care less.... they just use the postcodes, not counties.... no need to ever put a county on a letter, as their auto-sorters simply spot the postcodes and ignore counties unless no postcode is there.... So I see Bromley for instance as London - because it's a London borough and 020 phone prefix... marc8888

12:59pm Tue 21 Jan 14

trish_e says...

Going by all the roadworks and diversions in place near the High Street at the mo, you'd think Sidcup was in London!
Going by all the roadworks and diversions in place near the High Street at the mo, you'd think Sidcup was in London! trish_e

1:22pm Tue 21 Jan 14

Bort24 says...

Sidcup is part of London.
Counties are no longer part of the official Postal Address, so Kent should not be used as part of Sidcup addresses.
Boroughs of Bromley and Bexley are part of Greater London and have been since the mid 1960's.
Bromley and Bexley are policed by the Met Police, majority have 0208 phone numbers, they have the power to vote in the London Mayor, they pay London Council tax, they vote for representation on the London Assembly, they are covered by London Travel Card, their buses are operated by TFL.
The post codes were not changed in 1960's when Bromley and Bexley joined London, I believe this was a decision based on the cost of converting "Postal" addresses and post codes to conform with the SE?? post code style. For instance Bromley uses BR1 to BR7, therefore needing at least 7 SE codes for the Borough.

http://en.wikipedia.
org/wiki/London_Gove
rnment_Act_1963
Sidcup is part of London. Counties are no longer part of the official Postal Address, so Kent should not be used as part of Sidcup addresses. Boroughs of Bromley and Bexley are part of Greater London and have been since the mid 1960's. Bromley and Bexley are policed by the Met Police, majority have 0208 phone numbers, they have the power to vote in the London Mayor, they pay London Council tax, they vote for representation on the London Assembly, they are covered by London Travel Card, their buses are operated by TFL. The post codes were not changed in 1960's when Bromley and Bexley joined London, I believe this was a decision based on the cost of converting "Postal" addresses and post codes to conform with the SE?? post code style. For instance Bromley uses BR1 to BR7, therefore needing at least 7 SE codes for the Borough. http://en.wikipedia. org/wiki/London_Gove rnment_Act_1963 Bort24

1:33pm Tue 21 Jan 14

marc8888 says...

Yep all true... but the London prefix is 020 with an 8-digit number after that... these currently begin with 3, 7 & 8.. To dial within London from landlines, you just use the 8 digits.... Bromley Council is 8464 3333 etc...

I used to live in Ruislip in Middlesex only I didn't... it was LB Hillingdon, as no such county as Middlesex any more....
Yep all true... but the London prefix is 020 with an 8-digit number after that... these currently begin with 3, 7 & 8.. To dial within London from landlines, you just use the 8 digits.... Bromley Council is 8464 3333 etc... I used to live in Ruislip in Middlesex only I didn't... it was LB Hillingdon, as no such county as Middlesex any more.... marc8888

1:54pm Tue 21 Jan 14

goldenbroomboy says...

Petras wrote:
It's not a question of what you think it's a question if fact. Since 1965 Sidcup has been in London. That's the indisputable legal fact. The same as Bromley, Orpington and Croydon etc. Just because one minor body, the Royal Mail, are virtually half a century behind it's of no real significance.
Rubbish.

Sidcup is not and has never been in London. What happened in 1965 was the establishment of the Greater London political region, which includes parts of London, Middlesex, Essex, Kent, Herts, & Surrey.

And no amount of sock puppet voting will change that!
[quote][p][bold]Petras[/bold] wrote: It's not a question of what you think it's a question if fact. Since 1965 Sidcup has been in London. That's the indisputable legal fact. The same as Bromley, Orpington and Croydon etc. Just because one minor body, the Royal Mail, are virtually half a century behind it's of no real significance.[/p][/quote]Rubbish. Sidcup is not and has never been in London. What happened in 1965 was the establishment of the Greater London political region, which includes parts of London, Middlesex, Essex, Kent, Herts, & Surrey. And no amount of sock puppet voting will change that! goldenbroomboy

1:57pm Tue 21 Jan 14

goldenbroomboy says...

MsChevious wrote:
What Petras said!! It's not a matter of opinion, it's in London!
More ignorant rubbish. I see the wannbe Larndarners are out in force today, kidding yourself won't change anything.
[quote][p][bold]MsChevious[/bold] wrote: What Petras said!! It's not a matter of opinion, it's in London![/p][/quote]More ignorant rubbish. I see the wannbe Larndarners are out in force today, kidding yourself won't change anything. goldenbroomboy

2:04pm Tue 21 Jan 14

chris8210 says...

Sidcup is a only a London Borough council.
Sidcup is located in Kent
Sidcup is a only a London Borough council. Sidcup is located in Kent chris8210

2:13pm Tue 21 Jan 14

Bort24 says...

If you drive south east away from Sidcup, you will come across a sign saying welcome to Kent - this is due to the fact Kents border is after Sidcup (Sidcup being within Londons borders.
If you drive south east away from Sidcup, you will come across a sign saying welcome to Kent - this is due to the fact Kents border is after Sidcup (Sidcup being within Londons borders. Bort24

2:16pm Tue 21 Jan 14

goldenbroomboy says...

Bort24 wrote:
Sidcup is part of London. Counties are no longer part of the official Postal Address, so Kent should not be used as part of Sidcup addresses. Boroughs of Bromley and Bexley are part of Greater London and have been since the mid 1960's. Bromley and Bexley are policed by the Met Police, majority have 0208 phone numbers, they have the power to vote in the London Mayor, they pay London Council tax, they vote for representation on the London Assembly, they are covered by London Travel Card, their buses are operated by TFL. The post codes were not changed in 1960's when Bromley and Bexley joined London, I believe this was a decision based on the cost of converting "Postal" addresses and post codes to conform with the SE?? post code style. For instance Bromley uses BR1 to BR7, therefore needing at least 7 SE codes for the Borough. http://en.wikipedia. org/wiki/London_Gove rnment_Act_1963
You know what? Most people do still use counties as part of an address.

For that matter, half the Bromley borough does not use London phone numbers, and the southern part of the borough uses TN postcodes. Those towns, villages, & hamlets are officially outside of the Greater London Urban Area since they are officially rural. If you go there you will see Arriva buses not TfL, take a trip there instead of quoting from Wiki.
[quote][p][bold]Bort24[/bold] wrote: Sidcup is part of London. Counties are no longer part of the official Postal Address, so Kent should not be used as part of Sidcup addresses. Boroughs of Bromley and Bexley are part of Greater London and have been since the mid 1960's. Bromley and Bexley are policed by the Met Police, majority have 0208 phone numbers, they have the power to vote in the London Mayor, they pay London Council tax, they vote for representation on the London Assembly, they are covered by London Travel Card, their buses are operated by TFL. The post codes were not changed in 1960's when Bromley and Bexley joined London, I believe this was a decision based on the cost of converting "Postal" addresses and post codes to conform with the SE?? post code style. For instance Bromley uses BR1 to BR7, therefore needing at least 7 SE codes for the Borough. http://en.wikipedia. org/wiki/London_Gove rnment_Act_1963[/p][/quote]You know what? Most people do still use counties as part of an address. For that matter, half the Bromley borough does not use London phone numbers, and the southern part of the borough uses TN postcodes. Those towns, villages, & hamlets are officially outside of the Greater London Urban Area since they are officially rural. If you go there you will see Arriva buses not TfL, take a trip there instead of quoting from Wiki. goldenbroomboy

2:19pm Tue 21 Jan 14

goldenbroomboy says...

Bort24 wrote:
If you drive south east away from Sidcup, you will come across a sign saying welcome to Kent - this is due to the fact Kents border is after Sidcup (Sidcup being within Londons borders.
And if you drive away from the Medway towns you will see a similar sign. Are you arguing that Chatham is not in Kent either?

And if you travel through Bromley, Beckenham, West Wickham, Chislehurst & Orpington, you will see the White Horse of Kent, not the Dragon of London.
[quote][p][bold]Bort24[/bold] wrote: If you drive south east away from Sidcup, you will come across a sign saying welcome to Kent - this is due to the fact Kents border is after Sidcup (Sidcup being within Londons borders.[/p][/quote]And if you drive away from the Medway towns you will see a similar sign. Are you arguing that Chatham is not in Kent either? And if you travel through Bromley, Beckenham, West Wickham, Chislehurst & Orpington, you will see the White Horse of Kent, not the Dragon of London. goldenbroomboy

3:04pm Tue 21 Jan 14

Bort24 says...

goldenbroomboy wrote:
Bort24 wrote:
Sidcup is part of London. Counties are no longer part of the official Postal Address, so Kent should not be used as part of Sidcup addresses. Boroughs of Bromley and Bexley are part of Greater London and have been since the mid 1960's. Bromley and Bexley are policed by the Met Police, majority have 0208 phone numbers, they have the power to vote in the London Mayor, they pay London Council tax, they vote for representation on the London Assembly, they are covered by London Travel Card, their buses are operated by TFL. The post codes were not changed in 1960's when Bromley and Bexley joined London, I believe this was a decision based on the cost of converting "Postal" addresses and post codes to conform with the SE?? post code style. For instance Bromley uses BR1 to BR7, therefore needing at least 7 SE codes for the Borough. http://en.wikipedia. org/wiki/London_Gove rnment_Act_1963
You know what? Most people do still use counties as part of an address.

For that matter, half the Bromley borough does not use London phone numbers, and the southern part of the borough uses TN postcodes. Those towns, villages, & hamlets are officially outside of the Greater London Urban Area since they are officially rural. If you go there you will see Arriva buses not TfL, take a trip there instead of quoting from Wiki.
There may be people who still use Kent in their address, but doing so is incorrect.
It would be similar to me using the argument "some people still state the world is flat" as evidence against the world being round.

You mention the TN postcode areas outside of the Greater London Urban Area but this does not include Sidcup which is the location this discussion is about.
[quote][p][bold]goldenbroomboy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bort24[/bold] wrote: Sidcup is part of London. Counties are no longer part of the official Postal Address, so Kent should not be used as part of Sidcup addresses. Boroughs of Bromley and Bexley are part of Greater London and have been since the mid 1960's. Bromley and Bexley are policed by the Met Police, majority have 0208 phone numbers, they have the power to vote in the London Mayor, they pay London Council tax, they vote for representation on the London Assembly, they are covered by London Travel Card, their buses are operated by TFL. The post codes were not changed in 1960's when Bromley and Bexley joined London, I believe this was a decision based on the cost of converting "Postal" addresses and post codes to conform with the SE?? post code style. For instance Bromley uses BR1 to BR7, therefore needing at least 7 SE codes for the Borough. http://en.wikipedia. org/wiki/London_Gove rnment_Act_1963[/p][/quote]You know what? Most people do still use counties as part of an address. For that matter, half the Bromley borough does not use London phone numbers, and the southern part of the borough uses TN postcodes. Those towns, villages, & hamlets are officially outside of the Greater London Urban Area since they are officially rural. If you go there you will see Arriva buses not TfL, take a trip there instead of quoting from Wiki.[/p][/quote]There may be people who still use Kent in their address, but doing so is incorrect. It would be similar to me using the argument "some people still state the world is flat" as evidence against the world being round. You mention the TN postcode areas outside of the Greater London Urban Area but this does not include Sidcup which is the location this discussion is about. Bort24

3:17pm Tue 21 Jan 14

bojimbo26 says...

It WAS under the GLC . Greater London Council .
It WAS under the GLC . Greater London Council . bojimbo26

3:19pm Tue 21 Jan 14

Bort24 says...

goldenbroomboy wrote:
Bort24 wrote:
If you drive south east away from Sidcup, you will come across a sign saying welcome to Kent - this is due to the fact Kents border is after Sidcup (Sidcup being within Londons borders.
And if you drive away from the Medway towns you will see a similar sign. Are you arguing that Chatham is not in Kent either?

And if you travel through Bromley, Beckenham, West Wickham, Chislehurst & Orpington, you will see the White Horse of Kent, not the Dragon of London.
Does the White Horse not relate to the historical nature of Bromley, Beckenham, West Wickham, Chislehurst & Orpington all having been part of Kent Until the mid 1960's? The coat of arms would predate the move to London Boroughs, and have not been modernised to remove them (which I do not believe should be done, as historically Kent is important to these boroughs).
I believe the Dragon is used by the City of London , but other boroughs do not (such as Southwark for instance).
Have you an example of a road that goes away from the Medway towns which you state that you will see a similar sign? I have not seen any saying Welcome to Kent (just welcome to Gillingham etc...)
[quote][p][bold]goldenbroomboy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bort24[/bold] wrote: If you drive south east away from Sidcup, you will come across a sign saying welcome to Kent - this is due to the fact Kents border is after Sidcup (Sidcup being within Londons borders.[/p][/quote]And if you drive away from the Medway towns you will see a similar sign. Are you arguing that Chatham is not in Kent either? And if you travel through Bromley, Beckenham, West Wickham, Chislehurst & Orpington, you will see the White Horse of Kent, not the Dragon of London.[/p][/quote]Does the White Horse not relate to the historical nature of Bromley, Beckenham, West Wickham, Chislehurst & Orpington all having been part of Kent Until the mid 1960's? The coat of arms would predate the move to London Boroughs, and have not been modernised to remove them (which I do not believe should be done, as historically Kent is important to these boroughs). I believe the Dragon is used by the City of London , but other boroughs do not (such as Southwark for instance). Have you an example of a road that goes away from the Medway towns which you state that you will see a similar sign? I have not seen any saying Welcome to Kent (just welcome to Gillingham etc...) Bort24

3:19pm Tue 21 Jan 14

marc8888 says...

It really is as simple as this. Counties - when they have a council and you are within that council area - still exist... in that Sevenoaks is in Kent, Exeter is in Devon etc. The postcodes are based on the days when you did need a county in an address to post a letter (you don't now, haven't for ages)... then it was all off this road, near that town etc..... decades ago.

Then they introduced postcodes and OCR scanners etc... and some BR, TN etc codes might have been old Kent town codes, but aren't any more - the ones that fall inside the London boroughs.

Kent begins at the Bromley/Bexley border, where you go into the administrative county.... Cannot believe there are signs at Medway as that's all way into Kent....

So Sutton, Mitcham, Selhurst, Croydon, Thornton Heath etc are all Surrey then... ?? don't think so.... just happen to be CR or SM postcodes...
It really is as simple as this. Counties - when they have a council and you are within that council area - still exist... in that Sevenoaks is in Kent, Exeter is in Devon etc. The postcodes are based on the days when you did need a county in an address to post a letter (you don't now, haven't for ages)... then it was all off this road, near that town etc..... decades ago. Then they introduced postcodes and OCR scanners etc... and some BR, TN etc codes might have been old Kent town codes, but aren't any more - the ones that fall inside the London boroughs. Kent begins at the Bromley/Bexley border, where you go into the administrative county.... Cannot believe there are signs at Medway as that's all way into Kent.... So Sutton, Mitcham, Selhurst, Croydon, Thornton Heath etc are all Surrey then... ?? don't think so.... just happen to be CR or SM postcodes... marc8888

4:38pm Tue 21 Jan 14

cookster says...

Having moved from there to "proper Kent" I can safely say it's in London. Buses run more than every two hours for a start.
Having moved from there to "proper Kent" I can safely say it's in London. Buses run more than every two hours for a start. cookster

4:49pm Tue 21 Jan 14

white rabbit9 says...

Gypo.Joe wrote:
Sidcup, yawnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn

nnnnnn !


nuff said !
Gypo joe

Yaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaww
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nnnnnnnn

Enough said.
[quote][p][bold]Gypo.Joe[/bold] wrote: Sidcup, yawnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn nnnnnn ! nuff said ![/p][/quote]Gypo joe Yaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaww wwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwnnnn nnnnnnnn Enough said. white rabbit9

5:14pm Tue 21 Jan 14

Gypo.Joe says...

Its only snobbery for some who like to say the live in Kent. You can almost hear Hyacinth Bucket ( pronounced Bouquet ) saying "Sidcup Kent" with a plum firmly up her fat arse.

My old Ma always said "Down ham, Bromley, Kent."
Its only snobbery for some who like to say the live in Kent. You can almost hear Hyacinth Bucket ( pronounced Bouquet ) saying "Sidcup Kent" with a plum firmly up her fat arse. My old Ma always said "Down ham, Bromley, Kent." Gypo.Joe

6:00pm Tue 21 Jan 14

swissmiss says...

Sidcup was absorbed into the London area in 1965 and since then the government shortly after this Crayford became part of London and they are still trying to spread to cover Dartford. this is also reflected in the rail travel zones, TFL travel cards etc., if you are in the London boroughs you can apply for freedom passes etc., and lower fares once past Crayford and zone 6, the prices jump exponentially. this gives you some idea of where London has now spread to.
Sidcup was absorbed into the London area in 1965 and since then the government shortly after this Crayford became part of London and they are still trying to spread to cover Dartford. this is also reflected in the rail travel zones, TFL travel cards etc., if you are in the London boroughs you can apply for freedom passes etc., and lower fares once past Crayford and zone 6, the prices jump exponentially. this gives you some idea of where London has now spread to. swissmiss

10:16pm Tue 21 Jan 14

toomush2drink says...

Who cares ?
Who cares ? toomush2drink

4:34am Wed 22 Jan 14

goldenbroomboy says...

Bort24 wrote:
goldenbroomboy wrote:
Bort24 wrote: If you drive south east away from Sidcup, you will come across a sign saying welcome to Kent - this is due to the fact Kents border is after Sidcup (Sidcup being within Londons borders.
And if you drive away from the Medway towns you will see a similar sign. Are you arguing that Chatham is not in Kent either? And if you travel through Bromley, Beckenham, West Wickham, Chislehurst & Orpington, you will see the White Horse of Kent, not the Dragon of London.
Does the White Horse not relate to the historical nature of Bromley, Beckenham, West Wickham, Chislehurst & Orpington all having been part of Kent Until the mid 1960's? The coat of arms would predate the move to London Boroughs, and have not been modernised to remove them (which I do not believe should be done, as historically Kent is important to these boroughs). I believe the Dragon is used by the City of London , but other boroughs do not (such as Southwark for instance). Have you an example of a road that goes away from the Medway towns which you state that you will see a similar sign? I have not seen any saying Welcome to Kent (just welcome to Gillingham etc...)
The Medway towns are a unitary authority who send no more representatives to County Hall Maidstone than do Bromley, or Bexley. The signs saying "Welcome to Kent" are found on the main roads once one leaves the Medway Towns administrative area. I don't know of anybody who considers Gillingham to be in "Medway".

As to what Southwark Council choose to use is up to them. I doubt if anybody outside those who work in Bromley Civic Centre could even tell you what the current borough's official Coat of Arms looks like. It;s a question of identity,an examplke being that ethnic Romanians living in FSR Moldova dont see themselves as Moldovans, they consider themselves to be Bassarabians. Closer to home, do you lnow of anybody from The Wirral who thinks themselves to be a Scouser?
[quote][p][bold]Bort24[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]goldenbroomboy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bort24[/bold] wrote: If you drive south east away from Sidcup, you will come across a sign saying welcome to Kent - this is due to the fact Kents border is after Sidcup (Sidcup being within Londons borders.[/p][/quote]And if you drive away from the Medway towns you will see a similar sign. Are you arguing that Chatham is not in Kent either? And if you travel through Bromley, Beckenham, West Wickham, Chislehurst & Orpington, you will see the White Horse of Kent, not the Dragon of London.[/p][/quote]Does the White Horse not relate to the historical nature of Bromley, Beckenham, West Wickham, Chislehurst & Orpington all having been part of Kent Until the mid 1960's? The coat of arms would predate the move to London Boroughs, and have not been modernised to remove them (which I do not believe should be done, as historically Kent is important to these boroughs). I believe the Dragon is used by the City of London , but other boroughs do not (such as Southwark for instance). Have you an example of a road that goes away from the Medway towns which you state that you will see a similar sign? I have not seen any saying Welcome to Kent (just welcome to Gillingham etc...)[/p][/quote]The Medway towns are a unitary authority who send no more representatives to County Hall Maidstone than do Bromley, or Bexley. The signs saying "Welcome to Kent" are found on the main roads once one leaves the Medway Towns administrative area. I don't know of anybody who considers Gillingham to be in "Medway". As to what Southwark Council choose to use is up to them. I doubt if anybody outside those who work in Bromley Civic Centre could even tell you what the current borough's official Coat of Arms looks like. It;s a question of identity,an examplke being that ethnic Romanians living in FSR Moldova dont see themselves as Moldovans, they consider themselves to be Bassarabians. Closer to home, do you lnow of anybody from The Wirral who thinks themselves to be a Scouser? goldenbroomboy

4:37am Wed 22 Jan 14

goldenbroomboy says...

marc8888 wrote:
It really is as simple as this. Counties - when they have a council and you are within that council area - still exist... in that Sevenoaks is in Kent, Exeter is in Devon etc. The postcodes are based on the days when you did need a county in an address to post a letter (you don't now, haven't for ages)... then it was all off this road, near that town etc..... decades ago. Then they introduced postcodes and OCR scanners etc... and some BR, TN etc codes might have been old Kent town codes, but aren't any more - the ones that fall inside the London boroughs. Kent begins at the Bromley/Bexley border, where you go into the administrative county.... Cannot believe there are signs at Medway as that's all way into Kent.... So Sutton, Mitcham, Selhurst, Croydon, Thornton Heath etc are all Surrey then... ?? don't think so.... just happen to be CR or SM postcodes...
Berkshire does not have a County Council anymore. Nor does Cornwall. And Yorkshire never did, but I don;t advise telling the tykes that their council does not exist!

As for Medway, see my answer above.
[quote][p][bold]marc8888[/bold] wrote: It really is as simple as this. Counties - when they have a council and you are within that council area - still exist... in that Sevenoaks is in Kent, Exeter is in Devon etc. The postcodes are based on the days when you did need a county in an address to post a letter (you don't now, haven't for ages)... then it was all off this road, near that town etc..... decades ago. Then they introduced postcodes and OCR scanners etc... and some BR, TN etc codes might have been old Kent town codes, but aren't any more - the ones that fall inside the London boroughs. Kent begins at the Bromley/Bexley border, where you go into the administrative county.... Cannot believe there are signs at Medway as that's all way into Kent.... So Sutton, Mitcham, Selhurst, Croydon, Thornton Heath etc are all Surrey then... ?? don't think so.... just happen to be CR or SM postcodes...[/p][/quote]Berkshire does not have a County Council anymore. Nor does Cornwall. And Yorkshire never did, but I don;t advise telling the tykes that their council does not exist! As for Medway, see my answer above. goldenbroomboy

7:29am Wed 22 Jan 14

martint235 says...

How difficult can it be? You pay council tax, does a proportion of that money go to London or to Kent? That's where you are. It's hardly rocket science.
How difficult can it be? You pay council tax, does a proportion of that money go to London or to Kent? That's where you are. It's hardly rocket science. martint235

10:03am Wed 22 Jan 14

rescoffering says...

...beckers with an 0208 landline is ...kent!! rofl!!
...beckers with an 0208 landline is ...kent!! rofl!! rescoffering

10:28am Wed 22 Jan 14

marc8888 says...

020 landline code then 8-digit number, currently starting with 3/7/8 (they will add more), blimey not complicated..... like at Solent area, N Ireland, Australia etc.....

And Beck certainly does not feel like Kent.... it's outer London.
020 landline code then 8-digit number, currently starting with 3/7/8 (they will add more), blimey not complicated..... like at Solent area, N Ireland, Australia etc..... And Beck certainly does not feel like Kent.... it's outer London. marc8888

11:14am Wed 22 Jan 14

fedup76 says...

Its got a DA postcode so its Kent, if it was SE then it would be London
Its got a DA postcode so its Kent, if it was SE then it would be London fedup76

11:27am Wed 22 Jan 14

martint235 says...

fedup76 wrote:
Its got a DA postcode so its Kent, if it was SE then it would be London
It's already been ascertained that postcode has nothing to do with it or couldn't you be a***d to read the other comments.
[quote][p][bold]fedup76[/bold] wrote: Its got a DA postcode so its Kent, if it was SE then it would be London[/p][/quote]It's already been ascertained that postcode has nothing to do with it or couldn't you be a***d to read the other comments. martint235

11:28am Wed 22 Jan 14

Frank Brock says...

Your postcode and postal address are merely something allocated to you to reflect which Royal Mail sorting office deliver and collect your mail. The fact is that Sidcup, Chislehurst, Bromley et al are all now part of London Boroughs and are administered by London government.
Your postcode and postal address are merely something allocated to you to reflect which Royal Mail sorting office deliver and collect your mail. The fact is that Sidcup, Chislehurst, Bromley et al are all now part of London Boroughs and are administered by London government. Frank Brock

11:33am Wed 22 Jan 14

sarfflondonbird says...

marc8888 wrote:
020 landline code then 8-digit number, currently starting with 3/7/8 (they will add more), blimey not complicated..... like at Solent area, N Ireland, Australia etc.....

And Beck certainly does not feel like Kent.... it's outer London.
Beck does not feel like London as it not so multi cultural............
YET.
[quote][p][bold]marc8888[/bold] wrote: 020 landline code then 8-digit number, currently starting with 3/7/8 (they will add more), blimey not complicated..... like at Solent area, N Ireland, Australia etc..... And Beck certainly does not feel like Kent.... it's outer London.[/p][/quote]Beck does not feel like London as it not so multi cultural............ YET. sarfflondonbird

12:16pm Wed 22 Jan 14

goldenbroomboy says...

rescoffering wrote:
...beckers with an 0208 landline is ...kent!! rofl!!
Walk around boasting that you is a hip streetwise Sarf Larnderner cos yow as a 208 landline & people will be rofl at YOU.

The "cool" landline is 207. 208 means naff outer suburbia.
[quote][p][bold]rescoffering[/bold] wrote: ...beckers with an 0208 landline is ...kent!! rofl!![/p][/quote]Walk around boasting that you is a hip streetwise Sarf Larnderner cos yow as a 208 landline & people will be rofl at YOU. The "cool" landline is 207. 208 means naff outer suburbia. goldenbroomboy

12:40pm Wed 22 Jan 14

17thorhigher says...

goldenbroomboy wrote:
Bort24 wrote:
Sidcup is part of London. Counties are no longer part of the official Postal Address, so Kent should not be used as part of Sidcup addresses. Boroughs of Bromley and Bexley are part of Greater London and have been since the mid 1960's. Bromley and Bexley are policed by the Met Police, majority have 0208 phone numbers, they have the power to vote in the London Mayor, they pay London Council tax, they vote for representation on the London Assembly, they are covered by London Travel Card, their buses are operated by TFL. The post codes were not changed in 1960's when Bromley and Bexley joined London, I believe this was a decision based on the cost of converting "PostalArriva is a Bus Operating Company and will operate wherever they can make money. TFL oversee/co-ordinate transport policy for the Greater London area. Apples & oranges.
[quote][p][bold]goldenbroomboy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bort24[/bold] wrote: Sidcup is part of London. Counties are no longer part of the official Postal Address, so Kent should not be used as part of Sidcup addresses. Boroughs of Bromley and Bexley are part of Greater London and have been since the mid 1960's. Bromley and Bexley are policed by the Met Police, majority have 0208 phone numbers, they have the power to vote in the London Mayor, they pay London Council tax, they vote for representation on the London Assembly, they are covered by London Travel Card, their buses are operated by TFL. The post codes were not changed in 1960's when Bromley and Bexley joined London, I believe this was a decision based on the cost of converting "PostalArriva is a Bus Operating Company and will operate wherever they can make money. TFL oversee/co-ordinate transport policy for the Greater London area. Apples & oranges. 17thorhigher

12:56pm Wed 22 Jan 14

17thorhigher says...

This whole debate is really a debate about perception and London = bad, Kent = good. Mass generalisation follows: Young people living in Sidcup will say they live in SE London because it's 'cool', 'urban' etc Their parents, on the other hand, will describe themselves as living in Kent which they perceive to be a better part of the country. The news media do not help - a murder would happen in Sidcup, SE London but a Nobel prize winner would come from Sidcup, Kent
This whole debate is really a debate about perception and London = bad, Kent = good. Mass generalisation follows: Young people living in Sidcup will say they live in SE London because it's 'cool', 'urban' etc Their parents, on the other hand, will describe themselves as living in Kent which they perceive to be a better part of the country. The news media do not help - a murder would happen in Sidcup, SE London but a Nobel prize winner would come from Sidcup, Kent 17thorhigher

1:43pm Wed 22 Jan 14

Sidcupman says...

goldenbroomboy wrote:
rescoffering wrote:
...beckers with an 0208 landline is ...kent!! rofl!!
Walk around boasting that you is a hip streetwise Sarf Larnderner cos yow as a 208 landline & people will be rofl at YOU.

The "cool" landline is 207. 208 means naff outer suburbia.
0208 and 0207 mean nothing anymore, they are spread all over the place. 020=London. That's it. The 7, 8, 3 etc mean very little anymore.
[quote][p][bold]goldenbroomboy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]rescoffering[/bold] wrote: ...beckers with an 0208 landline is ...kent!! rofl!![/p][/quote]Walk around boasting that you is a hip streetwise Sarf Larnderner cos yow as a 208 landline & people will be rofl at YOU. The "cool" landline is 207. 208 means naff outer suburbia.[/p][/quote]0208 and 0207 mean nothing anymore, they are spread all over the place. 020=London. That's it. The 7, 8, 3 etc mean very little anymore. Sidcupman

1:46pm Wed 22 Jan 14

marc8888 says...

correct, sidcupman....!
correct, sidcupman....! marc8888

11:04pm Wed 22 Jan 14

franksutton says...

spamface wrote:
It's in Kent, but not proper Kent. The area should be called SelKent. :-)
Isn't Selkent a bus company?
[quote][p][bold]spamface[/bold] wrote: It's in Kent, but not proper Kent. The area should be called SelKent. :-)[/p][/quote]Isn't Selkent a bus company? franksutton

8:28pm Thu 23 Jan 14

claireclc says...

In 87 it was kent. It says so on my birth certificate
In 87 it was kent. It says so on my birth certificate claireclc

9:34am Fri 24 Jan 14

Simon bald says...

has the mass debate been settled by the news shopper?
has the mass debate been settled by the news shopper? Simon bald

10:19am Fri 24 Jan 14

Gold and Silver says...

Boring
Boring Gold and Silver

10:39am Fri 24 Jan 14

sarfflondonbird says...

Whichever. No wonder with moving the boundaries of London ever further outwards, kent is or will gradually lose its identity altogether. Just what government needs so it can relocate all the scrounging immigrants further afield from the previous inner ghettos they have created over the past
50 years or so within the original outer london borough, and thus dig up all precious country side to urbanized more ghettos and leave us with nothing but concrete jungles. Also, now I understand why the youth of today, acting as post people don't have a clue who's mail they are delivering to what addresses. Sidcup is kent by the way. I rest my case.
Whichever. No wonder with moving the boundaries of London ever further outwards, kent is or will gradually lose its identity altogether. Just what government needs so it can relocate all the scrounging immigrants further afield from the previous inner ghettos they have created over the past 50 years or so within the original outer london borough, and thus dig up all precious country side to urbanized more ghettos and leave us with nothing but concrete jungles. Also, now I understand why the youth of today, acting as post people don't have a clue who's mail they are delivering to what addresses. Sidcup is kent by the way. I rest my case. sarfflondonbird

12:50pm Fri 24 Jan 14

Joelo says...

Sidcup is in The London Borough of Bexley....this indicates that regardless of the postal code Sidcup is IN LONDON. I dont understand people who dispute this?

Bexley Council cover DA and SE postcodes, so are you saying if you still Live in Bexley but have a SE postcode that your in Kent? no ITs London!

Personaly think its time that all Greater London areas had a London postcode.
Sidcup is in The London Borough of Bexley....this indicates that regardless of the postal code Sidcup is IN LONDON. I dont understand people who dispute this? Bexley Council cover DA and SE postcodes, so are you saying if you still Live in Bexley but have a SE postcode that your in Kent? no ITs London! Personaly think its time that all Greater London areas had a London postcode. Joelo

2:41pm Sun 26 Jan 14

Mangetout says...

Bort24 wrote:
Sidcup is part of London.
Counties are no longer part of the official Postal Address, so Kent should not be used as part of Sidcup addresses.
Boroughs of Bromley and Bexley are part of Greater London and have been since the mid 1960's.
Bromley and Bexley are policed by the Met Police, majority have 0208 phone numbers, they have the power to vote in the London Mayor, they pay London Council tax, they vote for representation on the London Assembly, they are covered by London Travel Card, their buses are operated by TFL.
The post codes were not changed in 1960's when Bromley and Bexley joined London, I believe this was a decision based on the cost of converting "Postal" addresses and post codes to conform with the SE?? post code style. For instance Bromley uses BR1 to BR7, therefore needing at least 7 SE codes for the Borough.

http://en.wikipedia.

org/wiki/London_Gove

rnment_Act_1963
Swanley has BR8 postcode. Why? It is wholly in Kent.
[quote][p][bold]Bort24[/bold] wrote: Sidcup is part of London. Counties are no longer part of the official Postal Address, so Kent should not be used as part of Sidcup addresses. Boroughs of Bromley and Bexley are part of Greater London and have been since the mid 1960's. Bromley and Bexley are policed by the Met Police, majority have 0208 phone numbers, they have the power to vote in the London Mayor, they pay London Council tax, they vote for representation on the London Assembly, they are covered by London Travel Card, their buses are operated by TFL. The post codes were not changed in 1960's when Bromley and Bexley joined London, I believe this was a decision based on the cost of converting "Postal" addresses and post codes to conform with the SE?? post code style. For instance Bromley uses BR1 to BR7, therefore needing at least 7 SE codes for the Borough. http://en.wikipedia. org/wiki/London_Gove rnment_Act_1963[/p][/quote]Swanley has BR8 postcode. Why? It is wholly in Kent. Mangetout

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